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Since Dems still control the House and Senate and we know that Repubs are not going to start compromising in the new year.............shouldn't the Dems pass as much of their agenda as they can now?
If nothing else, they should let the Bush Tax cuts expire (as was designed by the Repubs themselves)
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Since Dems still control the House and Senate and we know that Repubs are not going to start compromising in the new year.............shouldn't the Dems pass as much of their agenda as they can now?
If nothing else, they should let the Bush Tax cuts expire (as was designed by the Repubs themselves)
Straw they wont do that because a ton of vulnerable dem senators are up in 2012 .
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Straw they wont do that because a ton of vulnerable dem senators are up in 2012 .
2012 is a long way away
no one voting will be thinking about what they did in the last few weeks of 2010
what they will be thinking about is whatever they are feeling at the moment or from the prior few months
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2012 is a long way away
no one voting will be thinking about what they did in the last few weeks of 2010
what they will be thinking about is whatever they are feeling at the moment or from the prior few months
Not true - Nelsons actions during obamacare will still be on the minds of voters in 2012. He is done.
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2012 is a long way away
no one voting will be thinking about what they did in the last few weeks of 2010
what they will be thinking about is whatever they are feeling at the moment or from the prior few months
If they raise taxes they will be finnished as a party for twenty years.
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Not true - Nelsons actions during obamacare will still be on the minds of voters in 2012. He is done.
so if he's already done then why does it matter?
there are plenty of outgoing Dems who have nothing to lose either and if Obama is done after one term (as some think) then he has nothing to lose either
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If they raise taxes they will be finnished as a party for twenty years.
they won't raise taxes
The Repubs designed the Bush Tax cuts to sunset
they are the ones that will be raising taxes (if it comes to that)
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so if he's already done then why does it matter?
there are plenty of outgoing Dems who have nothing to lose either and if Obama is done after one term (as some think) then he has nothing to lose either
In the house Yes - but the senate is a different matter. I posted a list of vulbernable dems for 2012 - and many of them want to keep their job.
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they won't raise taxes
The Repubs designed the Bush Tax cuts to sunset
they are the ones that will be raising taxes (if it comes to that)
This doesn't even make sense.
And it's your far-left cronies that are piggybacking onto the "extend the tax cuts" wave to save face.
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In the house Yes - but the senate is a different matter. I posted a list of vulbernable dems for 2012 - and many of them want to keep their job.
what they do in the next few weeks will be long forgotten in 2012
all that will matter at that point is how the economy is doing
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This doesn't even make sense.
And it's your far-left cronies that are piggybacking onto the "extend the tax cuts" wave to save face.
sure - they want to extend for the middle class and let them expire for higher income brackets
that will be there only leverage and the Repubs will either have to take it or leave it
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what they do in the next few weeks will be long forgotten in 2012
all that will matter at that point is how the economy is doing
Not true - ObamaCare & Cap & trade were HUGE on voters' minds in PA, VA, OH, etc.
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Not true - ObamaCare & Cap & trade were HUGE on voters' minds in PA, VA, OH, etc.
yeah because they were recent events and the Repubs reminded them about it constantly
If they can't repeal it (which they won't) then the benefit will just start to kick in and if the Repubs take over both houses and/or White House they will be the ones taking away benefits that people are actually starting to feel.
2012 is a long time away
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yeah because they were recent events and the Repubs reminded them about it constantly
If they can't repeal it (which they won't) then the benefit will just start to kick in and if the Repubs take over both houses and/or White House they will be the ones taking away benefits that people are actually starting to feel.
2012 is a long time away
The "benefits" are only going to people likely to vote dem anyway and dont go into effect until 2014 anyway. But its not only ObamaCare, its everything.
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they won't raise taxes
The Repubs designed the Bush Tax cuts to sunset
they are the ones that will be raising taxes (if it comes to that)
A total lie and typical lib revisionist history.To get the tax cuts through they had to agree to an expiration date.They have tried to make them permanent many times.If you let a tax cut expire -taxes go up and increase,thats called a tax increase.
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A total lie and typical lib revisionist history.To get the tax cuts through they had to agree to an expiration date.They have tried to make them permanent many times.If you let a tax cut expire -taxes go up and increase,thats called a tax increase.
actual fact
you're seriously stupid if you don't know this
Repubs passed the Bush tax cuts with reconciliation and since it increased the deficit the only way to get it through was to have it sunset in 10 years.
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what they do in the next few weeks will be long forgotten in 2012
all that will matter at that point is how the economy is doing
when did the health care bill pass? ppl remembered that and they will continue to remember that in 2 years...
the tax cuts need to be kept where they are straw at least for now I agree that they need to be raised down the road along with MASSIVE cuts in spending and entitlement programs.
BUT
as of right now we need to do everything we can to give businesses who are sitting on ass loads of capital reasons to spend it and hire new ppl.
essentially raising tax rates wont help stimulate spending from companies or individuals one bit, wouldnt you agree?
then why are you for letting the tax cuts expire?
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when did the health care bill pass? ppl remembered that and they will continue to remember that in 2 years...
the tax cuts need to be kept where they are straw at least for now I agree that they need to be raised down the road along with MASSIVE cuts in spending and entitlement programs.
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as of right now we need to do everything we can to give businesses who are sitting on ass loads of capital reasons to spend it and hire new ppl.
essentially raising tax rates wont help stimulate spending from companies or individuals one bit, wouldnt you agree?
then why are you for letting the tax cuts expire?
no one has felt any benefit from the healthcare legislation but they will in two years and those that benefit will like it
I'm for letting any tax cuts for people > 250k expire. That will benefit the majority of citiznes and while produceing a large increase in tax revenue and it will be consistent with what Obama has said he would do regarding taxes.
If REpubs want new tax cuts then they can find a way to pay for it and pass them.
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no one has felt any benefit from the healthcare legislation but they will in two years and those that benefit will like it
I'm for letting any tax cuts for people > 250k expire. That will benefit the majority of citiznes and while produceing a large increase in tax revenue and it will be consistent with what Obama has said he would do regarding taxes.
If REpubs want new tax cuts then they can find a way to pay for it and pass them.
LOL straw facts are facts the health care bill is far from deficit nuetral like it was billed as...it has many unintended consequences and will likely see much change before it takes effect.
Thats fine but NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO RAISE TAXES ON ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
why just the reps? lol the dems have spend the shit out of our tax money without saying how they will pay for that for the last 2 years?
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LOL straw facts are facts the health care bill is far from deficit nuetral like it was billed as...it has many unintended consequences and will likely see much change before it takes effect.
Thats fine but NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO RAISE TAXES ON ANYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
why just the reps? lol the dems have spend the shit out of our tax money without saying how they will pay for that for the last 2 years?
I'm not aware that there is any actual results of the health care legislation other than projections.
if we want to cut spending lets start with the military
even Gates is on board with that
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I'm not aware that there is any actual results of the health care legislation other than projections.
if we want to cut spending lets start with the military
even Gates is on board with that
For staters, people were supposed to get a 3000% premium DECREASE.
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For staters, people were supposed to get a 3000% premium DECREASE.
yeah - that quote was either a mistake or a fabrication from whoever made that video
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yeah - that quote was either a mistake or a fabrication from whoever made that video
Ok, lets say it was a 30% decrease for arguments' sake, is that holding true?
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actual fact
you're seriously stupid if you don't know this
Repubs passed the Bush tax cuts with reconciliation and since it increased the deficit the only way to get it through was to have it sunset in 10 years.
As usual you insult me for no reason,I said nothing about you but as I said they had to let these expire because of democrats.Here is the explanation you stupid fucking lib idiot.
One of the most notable characteristics of EGTRRA is that its provisions are designed to sunset, or revert to the provisions that were in effect before it was passed. EGTRRA will sunset on January 1, 2011 unless further legislation is enacted to make its changes permanent. The sunset provision sidesteps the Byrd Rule, a Senate rule that amends the Congressional Budget Act to allow Senators to block a piece of legislation if it purports to significantly increase the federal deficit beyond a ten-year term. The sunset allowed the bill to stay within the letter of the PAYGO law while removing nearly $700 billion from amounts that would have triggered PAYGO sequestration.
Do you now understand you fucking dunce?Because of the Robert KKK Byrdd rule,the republicans HAD to let it expire to avoid breaking the Byrd rule and it allowed the bill to stay in the PAYGO law.So,keep insulting me ,but do some fucking research before you do.They had to let them expire or sunset to pass it because of left wing lib idiots like Robert KKK Byrd.
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Since Dems still control the House and Senate and we know that Repubs are not going to start compromising in the new year.............shouldn't the Dems pass as much of their agenda as they can now?
If nothing else, they should let the Bush Tax cuts expire (as was designed by the Repubs themselves)
Yeah that exactly what they should do ::) The American people have told them no, so of course the natural reaction should be to keep doing what you were doing. Its not like they work for the American people or anything
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As usual you insult me for no reason,I said nothing about you but as I said they had to let these expire because of democrats.Here is the explanation you stupid fucking lib idiot.
One of the most notable characteristics of EGTRRA is that its provisions are designed to sunset, or revert to the provisions that were in effect before it was passed. EGTRRA will sunset on January 1, 2011 unless further legislation is enacted to make its changes permanent. The sunset provision sidesteps the Byrd Rule, a Senate rule that amends the Congressional Budget Act to allow Senators to block a piece of legislation if it purports to significantly increase the federal deficit beyond a ten-year term. The sunset allowed the bill to stay within the letter of the PAYGO law while removing nearly $700 billion from amounts that would have triggered PAYGO sequestration.
Do you now understand you fucking dunce?Because of the Robert KKK Byrdd rule,the republicans HAD to let it expire to avoid breaking the Byrd rule and it allowed the bill to stay in the PAYGO law.So,keep insulting me ,but do some fucking research before you do.They had to let them expire or sunset to pass it because of left wing lib idiots like Robert KKK Byrd.
exactly what I said in the first place and what you called a total lie and lib revisionist history
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exactly what I said in the first place and what you called a total lie and lib revisionist history
You sticking with that?
"The Repubs designed the Bush Tax cuts to sunset".You mean you didnt try to make it sound like they designed it like that to screw the next president or congress?Come on who are you kidding.Republicans HAD to design it like that.
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exactly what I said in the first place and what you called a total lie and lib revisionist history
Straw - why do you believe the Dems got murdered on Tuesday in areas like PA, VA, OH, WI, MN, etc? .
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Straw - why do you believe the Dems got murdered on Tuesday in areas like PA, VA, OH, WI, MN, etc? .
i think it was mostly a classical rebalancing of power and no doubt some disatisfaction with Obama from both Teabagger and Repubs (who already hated him) and Dems/progressives who were unhappy that he didn't follow through on some of his promises or had greater expectations.
I also think a large portion who came out to vote in the presidential election just didn't bother to show up for the mid-terms. That's kind of the reason why people like O'Donnell won the primary in her state. The people who would have supported her Republican rival just didn't bother to show up and instead they got a Dem for their laziness
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i think it was mostly a classical rebalancing of power and no doubt some disatisfaction with Obama from both Teabagger and Repubs (who already hated him) and Dems/progressives who were unhappy that he didn't follow through on some of his promises or had greater expectations.
I also think a large portion who came out to vote in the presidential election just didn't bother to show up for the mid-terms. That's kind of the reason why people like O'Donnell won the primary in her state. The people who would have supported her Republican rival just didn't bother to show up and instead they got a Dem for their laziness
How do you explain the incredible shift in women voters and independants?Also,republicans picked up 680 seats in state houses[another record],if all elections are local,how do you explain that?
By the way,your wrIGHT on ODonnell.Reid DESTROYED ODonnells opponent in the primary.He started his dirty attack ads way back then.Nevada is a dark blue state.By the time the primary vote came arounf ODonnells opponent was obliterated.
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i think it was mostly a classical rebalancing of power and no doubt some disatisfaction with Obama from both Teabagger and Repubs (who already hated him) and Dems/progressives who were unhappy that he didn't follow through on some of his promises or had greater expectations.
I also think a large portion who came out to vote in the presidential election just didn't bother to show up for the mid-terms. That's kind of the reason why people like O'Donnell won the primary in her state. The people who would have supported her Republican rival just didn't bother to show up and instead they got a Dem for their laziness
I agree with you on that but think that unless the economy tuerns around by 2012 - the same dynamic will play out. People are just not going to be that excited in 2012 as they were in 2008 if the economy is still in the toilet.
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Let the tax cuts expire for the top bracket, keep it for the lower brackets. PERIOD. That is fiscal sensibility.
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Let the tax cuts expire for the top bracket, keep it for the lower brackets. PERIOD. That is fiscal sensibility.
250k for a married couple is simply not rich in areas like LA, NYC, and CHI.
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Let the tax cuts expire for the top bracket, keep it for the lower brackets. PERIOD. That is fiscal sensibility.
Why? and How? Since when does the fucking Federal Government get to decide who is and isn't rich? They are the fuckers spending money like its free, why should the tax payer be penalized for zero fiscal responsibility at the federal level.
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Why? and How? Since when does the fucking Federal Government get to decide who is and isn't rich? They are the fuckers spending money like its free, why should the tax payer be penalized for zero fiscal responsibility at the federal level.
Because liberals think its THEIR money not your money and they get to decide who gets to keep what.
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THERE WAS AN GARGANTUAN TSUNAMI EARTHQUAKE OF EPIC PROPORTIONS ARMEGEDDON ON THE DEMS..
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THERE WAS AN GARGANTUAN TSUNAMI EARTHQUAKE OF EPIC PROPORTIONS ARMEGEDDON ON THE DEMS..
Yes it was - and the sooner you realize it the better - Biggest since 1936 in the house and biggest in states since 1966.
The voters spoke loud and clear - no more marxist crap from a faux messiah.
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Yes it was - and the sooner you realize it the better - Biggest since 1936 in the house and biggest in states since 1966.
The voters spoke loud and clear - no more marxist crap from a faux messiah.
in both years what happened to the incumbent pres
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in both years what happened to the incumbent pres
Never 65 seats. Wake up already - no one is buying the far left agenda any more. Its over. Get used to it.
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You sticking with that?
"The Repubs designed the Bush Tax cuts to sunset".You mean you didnt try to make it sound like they designed it like that to screw the next president or congress?Come on who are you kidding.Republicans HAD to design it like that.
I know you're a "low rep" kind of guy but you should try working on your attention span
actual fact
you're seriously stupid if you don't know this
Repubs passed the Bush tax cuts with reconciliation and since it increased the deficit the only way to get it through was to have it sunset in 10 years.
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Never 65 seats. Wake up already - no one is buying the far left agenda any more. Its over. Get used to it.
lmao....you are hilarious
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lmao....you are hilarious
I made a thread before the lection and was off by 1 in the senate and 5 in the house - show me your predictions that were nearly as close.
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I made a thread before the lection and was off by 1 in the senate and 5 in the house - show me your predictions that were nearly as close.
hahahaha i dont give a shit about predictions...you proud of yourself?
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hahahaha i dont give a shit about predictions...you proud of yourself?
Yeah, alot.
BBBBOOOOOMMMMMMM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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THERE DOESNT NEED TO BE ANY TAXES RAISED DURING SUCH A TIME OF ECONOMIC INSTABILITY!!!!!!!
what part of that dont you liberals get?
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THERE DOESNT NEED TO BE ANY TAXES RAISED DURING SUCH A TIME OF ECONOMIC INSTABILITY!!!!!!!
what part of that dont you liberals get?
the same could be said about cutting taxes during a time of war
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the same could be said about cutting taxes during a time of war
so 2 wrongs make a right is what youre saying?
I thought obama was the anti republican?
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so 2 wrongs make a right is what youre saying?
I thought obama was the anti republican?
even at the time when these were passed there wasn't enough support for them so they had to use reconciliation. At that time we had a budget surplus and (at the time of the first round) weren't yet involved in any wars.
Simple solution would be to keep the cuts for the lower income earners and let the cuts for the higher earners expire. That would be an example of compromise and I recall Boehner actually said he would be OK with that:
"If the only option I have is to vote for those at 250 and below, of course I'm going to do that. But I'm going to do everything I can to fight to make sure that we extend the current tax rates for all Americans," Boehner told CBS' "Face the Nation."
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/12/obama-economic-adviser-afford-tax-cuts-high-end-earners/
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even at the time when these were passed there wasn't enough support for them so they had to use reconciliation. At that time we had a budget surplus and (at the time of the first round) weren't yet involved in any wars.
Simple solution would be to keep the cuts for the lower income earners and let the cuts for the higher earners expire. That would be an example of compromise and I recall Boehner actually said he would be OK with that:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/12/obama-economic-adviser-afford-tax-cuts-high-end-earners/
youre offended by the use of reconciliation to pass tax cuts?
AGAIN YOU DO NOT RAISE TAXES ON ANYONE WITH THE ECONOMY AS UNSTABLE AS IT IS!!!!!!!
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youre offended by the use of reconciliation to pass tax cuts?
AGAIN YOU DO NOT RAISE TAXES ON ANYONE WITH THE ECONOMY AS UNSTABLE AS IT IS!!!!!!!
didn't say I was offended by it
my point, which I stated, was that there wasn't even enough support for them at a time when we had a budget surplus and no wars
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didn't say I was offended by it
my point, which I stated, was that there wasn't even enough support for them at a time when we had a budget surplus and no wars
and what relevance does that have at all to the letting them expire now and effectively raising taxes while the economy is in the unstable state it is in?
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and what relevance does that have at all to the letting them expire now and effectively raising taxes while the economy is in the unstable state it is in?
I'm not sure how else to explain it to you
it had tepid support 10 years ago, at a time when we might have been able to afford the lost revenue
there is a popular compromise which I've mentioned a few times which would maintain status quo on taxes for 95% of the tax paying population
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I'm not sure how else to explain it to you
it had tepid support 10 years ago, at a time when we might have been able to afford the lost revenue
there is a popular compromise which I've mentioned a few times which would maintain status quo on taxes for 95% of the tax paying population
do you not understand that at this point in time it is NOT A GOOD IDEA TO RAISE TAXES ON ANYONE?
you seem stuck in the infinite loop of bad republicans and obamas agenda...
DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND that right now is not the time or place for either?
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I'm not sure how else to explain it to you
it had tepid support 10 years ago, at a time when we might have been able to afford the lost revenue
there is a popular compromise which I've mentioned a few times which would maintain status quo on taxes for 95% of the tax paying population
What lost revenue?