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What a storybook ending to Manny Pacquiao's boxing career. All the commentators are comparing him to Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson.
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Great fighter.
Margarito is a POS but he can take a beating
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Those comparisons are well deserved...That is one tough little fuck. 8)
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Any links?
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did he finish the fight? ko? ::)
lol. just kidding I guess 12 rounds is fun if yopu like braindamage and tecnique ;D
any vids?
you just know nggerweather is gonna run his mouth now that he doesnt have to face him.
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::)
Legit belt holders who can weight-in at 147-154.
Phil Williams
Andre Berto
Sergio Martinez
FMW ::)
he fights a guy slower than cotto who leads with his chin better than hatton plus 2 yrs of inactivity.
We love you Arum given you are a bigger douche than Don King now! You are selling the world this guy is in Ali's class. He get dismantled by 3 of the 4 above...and a prime leonard or hearns at 147 would send him into the next life-time.
Anyway...here's the real fight:
roach said he wont fight below 147 now. that means he can fight the winner of SM vs PW at 152-154 catch weight if FMW ::)...
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Good point G thang, be interesting to see Williams in there
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Boxing sucks, the cage is where its at
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people dont realize arum was fmw's promoter from 96-06. there's bad blood because fmw feels as though he was robbed...as far as not getting paydays greater than 5$M in some of his fights.
the fight happens when fmw feels he has gotten back at arum. i'm thinking they will have to agree to a 55-45 split or something...given fmw knows arum and roach pocket about 40% of pac's purses.
the travesty is williams vs martinez II should be the ppv fight, and they should be putting 10M a piece in their pockets.
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Mosley is going to sign with Top Rank so he'll def be Manny's next opponent if Manny decides to continue boxing. Top Rank is kinda like fuck you to Golden Boy we'll make all this money with our own fighters.
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Legit belt holders who can weight-in at 147-154.
Phil Williams
Andre Berto
Sergio Martinez
FMW ::)
he fights a guy slower than cotto who leads with his chin better than hatton plus 2 yrs of inactivity.
We love you Arum given you are a bigger douche than Don King now! You are selling the world this guy is in Ali's class. He get dismantled by 3 of the 4 above...and a prime leonard or hearns at 147 would send him into the next life-time.
Anyway...here's the real fight:
roach said he wont fight below 147 now. that means he can fight the winner of SM vs PW at 152-154 catch weight if FMW ::)...
Yes, I made a few posts last night underling the fact all of pac's recent opponents are not prime fighters, with the exception of Clottey who just plain sucks. Pac is an ATG, but don't forget for one second that he hasn't had angles on all of these fighters.
Besides, Marquez beat him in their 2nd fight and Morarles beat him in their first fight, when Morales was fading even. These were game fighters though unlike Oscar, Hatton, Cotto and Marg. Next Pac will probably fight completely washed up Mosley if he doesn't retire. And of course, everyone will forget the fact Mosely's prime was 10 years ago and Pac will get nothing but praise for it. ::)
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Mosley is going to sign with Top Rank so he'll def be Manny's next opponent if Manny decides to continue boxing. Top Rank is kinda like fuck you to Golden Boy we'll make all this money with our own fighters.
Mosley will get beat so bad. He's so shot it's not even funny
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I didn't realise Pac-man had moved up another weight class for this fight. Definitely got to start thinking about the guy in terms of one of the all time greats.
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I didn't realise Pac-man had moved up another weight class for this fight. Definitely got to start thinking about the guy in terms of one of the all time greats.
thomas hearns at 6'1" started at 142, could have won belts up to cruiser weight if he had fought all the tomatoes of each division.
i guess that doesnt work when you fight the best a weight class has to offer.
paul willaims is the best at 147-152 with andre berto and couple of others.
and flexb...i'd say cotto was the best manny fought. clottie was too defensive, cant get off. that fight was a give me and arum knew it.
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thomas hearns at 6'1" started at 142, could have won belts up to cruiser weight if he had fought all the tomatoes of each division.
i guess that doesnt work when you fight the best a weight class has to offer.
paul willaims is the best at 147-152 with andre berto and couple of others.
and flexb...i'd say cotto was the best manny fought. clottie was too defensive, cant get off. that fight was a give me and arum knew it.
He's won 8 titles. You usually win titles by defeating the champion of that division. ::)
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He's won 8 titles. You usually win titles by defeating the champion of that division. ::)
exactly,
these new retards dont get that ::)
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He's won 8 titles. You usually win titles by defeating the champion of that division. ::)
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i guess you haven't heard of vacated belts and likes of king and arum pulling BS moves with the WBC and WBA in the past. i guess marg was superWW champ? ::)
8# is as bogus as the come.
83% say he is the best ever. ::)
he can have the winner of the PW vs SM fight at superwelterweight.
like arum and roach will sign that contract.
berto is WBC welter champ and will move up 6lbs to fight.
like arum and roach will sign that contract.
pac is in Ali league fighting tomato CAN belt champs.
if they can find a slug for a vacated belt at middleweight...they'll set him up for #9 and bypass a long line of true belt holders.
WBA April 10, 2009 Ukraine Vyacheslav Senchenko 31-0 (20 KO) 2
WBC June 21, 2008 United States Andre Berto 26-0 (20 KO) 4
IBF December 11, 2009 Slovenia Dejan Zavec 30-1 (17 KO) 2
WBO November 14, 2009 Philippines Manny Pacquiao 52-3-2 (38 KO) 1
he skipped the fuck through WW without fighting any of the champs.
BEST EVER MY ASS!
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What a storybook ending to Manny Pacquiao's boxing career. All the commentators are comparing him to Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson.
I prefer UFC to that. I went to BWW with my boys and yes, paquiao is great at boxing, a UFC card is still more entertaining.
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I prefer UFC to that. I went to BWW with my boys and yes, paquiao is great at boxing, a UFC card is still more entertaining.
Nothing beats a great boxing match, especially anything where wrestling predominates. MMA is good to watch though, just not as entertaining as pure striking.
As for Manny, why the need to label him? He is an ATG. Yeah Tommy Hearns would fuck him up. But Tommy was a 6'1 welter with an A bomb of a right hand and otherworldly speed. He is one of the best of all time, bad style match up for Manny, so what.
Beating a physically strong, durable, much naturally bigger guy like Marg is nothing to be sniffed at. He is doing a lot more than Floyd is currently, who hasn't fought anyone with a pulse for fuck knows how long.
Manny would beat the Paul William's of this world. Martinez is an interesting fight, very interesting.
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Nothing beats a great boxing match, especially anything where wrestling predominates. MMA is good to watch though, just not as entertaining as pure striking.
As for Manny, why the need to label him? He is an ATG. Yeah Tommy Hearns would fuck him up. But Tommy was a 6'1 welter with an A bomb of a right hand and otherworldly speed. He is one of the best of all time, bad style match up for Manny, so what.
Beating a physically strong, durable, much naturally bigger guy like Marg is nothing to be sniffed at. He is doing a lot more than Floyd is currently, who hasn't fought anyone with a pulse for fuck knows how long.
Manny would beat the Paul William's of this world. Martinez is an interesting fight, very interesting.
I wasnt hating, just saying that as a casual fan, i prefer a UFC card overall to what i saw Sat. night. with the UFC cards you get 5 fights that usually at least 2-3 are decent whereas the oneon sat was bbooorrring other than the main evet.
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I think i just came a little.
no
it was a lot.
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I wasnt hating, just saying that as a casual fan, i prefer a UFC card overall to what i saw Sat. night. with the UFC cards you get 5 fights that usually at least 2-3 are decent whereas the oneon sat was bbooorrring other than the main evet.
No problem. I know people who prefer Boxing others who prefer MMA, a good fight is a good fight.
Boxing does have problems with the cards sometimes. I don't think mma is much better all the time. it's just that because of the way UFC is structured, the lower level guys have more name recognition. Also the way the money is split in boxing, the main guys get the lionshare where as in mma because the pay is capped pretty low, you can have more names on a card.
The undercard to the Harrison-Haye fight was actually a lot better than the complete fucking joke that the main fight was.
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Nothing beats a great boxing match, especially anything where wrestling predominates. MMA is good to watch though, just not as entertaining as pure striking.
As for Manny, why the need to label him? He is an ATG. Yeah Tommy Hearns would fuck him up. But Tommy was a 6'1 welter with an A bomb of a right hand and otherworldly speed. He is one of the best of all time, bad style match up for Manny, so what.
Beating a physically strong, durable, much naturally bigger guy like Marg is nothing to be sniffed at. He is doing a lot more than Floyd is currently, who hasn't fought anyone with a pulse for fuck knows how long.
Manny would beat the Paul William's of this world. Martinez is an interesting fight, very interesting.
I don't know what' you're smoking but Emanuel Stewart himself is calling Manny Pacquiao one of the all time greats and the greatest fighter he's seen fight live.
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I don't know what' you're smoking but Emanuel Stewart himself is calling Manny Pacquiao one of the all time greats and the greatest fighter he's seen fight live.
I don't follow? Of course he is easily one of the greats.
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I don't follow? Of course he is easily one of the greats.
If Hearn's trainer is saying this don't you believe Pacman would beat Hearns?
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If Hearn's trainer is saying this don't you believe Pacman would beat Hearns?
He also trained Lennox Lewis, You think Manny would beat Lewis?
Tommy Hearns was a six foot 1 guy who eventually fought at cruiser. Who had huge punching power and was faster than Manny.
He outboxed Ray Leonard and one punched Roberto fucking Duran. A guy that is typically in everyones top 15 list all time.
Absolutley awful style matchup for Manny, he was getting hit by guys like Margherito and Cotto and hurt, he was outboxed by Morales and Marquez, you really think he would have anything for Hearns?
Lets see how Manny does against a skillfull boxer becasue all he has been fighting recently are slow come forward brawlers.
Hearns would fuck up Floyd as well.
If Manny beats Floyd i would have him top 15, p4p he may be better than Tommy at the end of his career but p4p doesn't mean anything in the ring. The same way Robinson is p4p better than Tyson but if they fought he would be in hospital in about 20 seconds.
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He also trained Lennox Lewis, You think Manny would beat Lewis?
Tommy Hearns was a six foot 1 guy who eventually fought at cruiser. Who had huge punching power and was faster than Manny.
He outboxed Ray Leonard and one punched Roberto fucking Duran. A guy that is typically in everyones top 15 list all time.
Absolutley awful style matchup for Manny, he was getting hit by guys like Margherito and Cotto and hurt, he was outboxed by Morales and Marquez, you really think he would have anything for Hearns?
Lets see how Manny does against a skillfull boxer becasue all he has been fighting recently are slow come forward brawlers.
Hearns would fuck up Floyd as well.
If Manny beats Floyd i would have him top 15, p4p he may be better than Tommy at the end of his career but p4p doesn't mean anything in the ring. The same way Robinson is p4p better than Tyson but if they fought he would be in hospital in about 20 seconds.
Cotto didn't hurt Pacman and Cotto is a good technical fighter.
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Cotto didn't hurt Pacman and Cotto is a good technical fighter.
He stunned him in round three. No big deal, he recovered quickly. Point being that Cotto's power and speed isn't even in the same universe as Hearns.
Cotto is a decent boxer, what he isn't is a Leonard, Hearns, Duran, level boxer.
I was just pointing out that Manny possibly being beaten by a few ATG's doesn't impact upon his greatness as a fighter as another poster suggested.
Styles make fights.
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If Hearn's trainer is saying this don't you believe Pacman would beat Hearns?
hearns has basically 1 lost to SRL under 160. here is hearns at super welterweight:
mayfeather or punyman vs hearns ::)
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Some of you fucknuts are funny!! Talking about how pacman fought has beens and isn't legit. While you are at, like onlyme saids, he's laughing all the way to the bank with 8 titles and all of you are just a bunch of losers behind a computer screen arguing how he'll get beat by this guy or that guy ::)
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I'd use either of these guys as a warm-up on seated military presses....... ;D
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hearns has basically 1 lost to SRL under 160. here is hearns at super welterweight:
mayfeather or punyman vs hearns ::)
uhhh Hagler destroyed Hearns ...
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uhhh Hagler destroyed Hearns ...
WTF does a top three middleweight of all time have to do with Manny?
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Some of you fucknuts are funny!! Talking about how pacman fought has beens and isn't legit. While you are at, like onlyme saids, he's laughing all the way to the bank with 8 titles and all of you are just a bunch of losers behind a computer screen arguing how he'll get beat by this guy or that guy ::)
what the fuck are you writing about? opinions and debates go hand in hand. isnt that what this board is about?
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uhhh Hagler destroyed Hearns ...
at middle weight dumbass. didnt i say he was better than anyone but Leonard below 160? thanks.
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Oh yeah? What grip would you use there stud? Reverse ballgrip?:D (no fantasy)
;D
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Pacman also won 4 lineal championships.
Not just 8 belts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineal_championship
Manny Pacquiao is the only boxer who is credited with lineal championships in four different weight classes (flyweight, featherweight, junior lightweight, and junior welterweight) by Cyber Boxing Zone[8][12] and BoxingScene.com.[13] This has been reported by ESPN,[14] CNN Sports Illustrated,[15] and The Ring.[13] Additionally, Pacquiao has held three Ring titles.[13]
Mayweather will never fight him.
He is too quick and unorthodox.
I don't know if Pacman can go back down in weight.
Most guys can't,
Roy Jones lost all of his speed going up, now he is a punching bag at light heavy.
Pacman isn't a legit light middle weight.
He is best at light welter.
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Pacman also won 4 lineal championships.
Not just 8 belts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lineal_championship
Manny Pacquiao is the only boxer who is credited with lineal championships in four different weight classes (flyweight, featherweight, junior lightweight, and junior welterweight) by Cyber Boxing Zone[8][12] and BoxingScene.com.[13] This has been reported by ESPN,[14] CNN Sports Illustrated,[15] and The Ring.[13] Additionally, Pacquiao has held three Ring titles.[13]
Mayweather will never fight him.
He is too quick and unorthodox.
I don't know if Pacman can go back down in weight.
Most guys can't,
Roy Jones lost all of his speed going up, now he is a punching bag at light heavy.
Pacman isn't a legit light middle weight.
He is best at light welter.
there's no question pac is a legit sub-superlightweight fighter but his opponents have been hand picked 144 or so and up. how the fuck do you explain him fighting for a belt with a guy coming off suspension and a major knockout, and the fight being sold as legit? he skipped through welterweights without a unification fight vs one of the champs. same with mayfeather not fighting the best during his generation.
and i dont see him fighting mosley who can still rock you with his right...given he buckled FMW's knees at least 2-3 times in their fight.
if there is a vacated middleweight belt and roach and arum can set up a tomato can...he'll fight for #9 at a catch weight and pick a defensive fighter like clottie. they wont touch the winner of the martinez or williams fight at 152-154. shit...williams can still diet down to 144 which is amazing.
anyway...that's present day boxing for you.
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there's no question pac is a legit sub-superlightweight fighter but his opponents have been hand picked 144 or so and up. how the fuck do you explain him fighting for a belt with a guy coming off suspension and a major knockout, and the fight being sold as legit? he skipped through welterweights without a unification fight vs one of the champs. same with mayfeather not fighting the best during his generation.
and i dont see him fighting mosley who can still rock you with his right...given he buckled FMW's knees at least 2-3 times in their fight.
if there is a vacated middleweight belt and roach and arum can set up a tomato can...he'll fight for #9 at a catch weight and pick a defensive fighter like clottie. they wont touch the winner of the martinez or williams fight at 152-154. shit...williams can still diet down to 144 which is amazing.
anyway...that's present day boxing for you.
All fighters at the top level fight hand picked.
It has been this way forever.
No doubt that he wouldn't fight Williams.
But FMW isn't a legit light middle either.
Th ebest fight would be PAC and Mayweather at light Welterweight.
This fight will not happen.
So who does Pacman face.
It is a real stretch for him to fight above Welterweight, yet there is no real competition for him at that weight, maybe Berto, but Pacquiao's speed would more than make up for the weight of Berto. Also Mayweather holds the lineal championship so there would be little interest unless Mayweather is stripped, which could happen sooner then later.
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at middle weight dumbass. didnt i say he was better than anyone but Leonard below 160? thanks.
The difference between Manny and Hearns is that Hearns was basically a cruiserweight fighting welters, Manny is a LW fighting welters totally different frames.
BTW Hearns was my favorite fighter from the 80's.
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So who does Pacman face.
It is a real stretch for him to fight above Welterweight, yet there is no real competition for him at that weight, maybe Berto, but Pacquiao's speed would more than make up for the weight of Berto. Also Mayweather holds the lineal championship so there would be little interest unless Mayweather is stripped, which could happen sooner then later.
too offensive like mosley...so roach and arum wont touch that fight. WBA and IFB champs are also offensive and punchers. and no...it hasnt always been that way. the old school guys fought and unified belts.
Oscar - Old
Cotto - I give credit for this win but Cotto takes head shots to get his body blows...so still made for manny
Clottie - defensive
Hatton - Small Chin First
Marg - ::)
I give FMW credit for mosley. he took some good shots and dominated the fight....given people though it would be competitive.
I'm aware Che but it's still about making weight...and hearns made weight at 145...just like williams...who FMW and manny wont touch. remember roach said mosley was too big...so where the hell does a bigger marg come from? i think he meant too fast and offensive with good power in his right.
anyway...that's boxing for you today.
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too offensive like mosley...so roach and arum wont touch that fight. WBA and IFB champs are also offensive and punchers. and no...it hasnt always been that way. the old school guys fought and unified belts.
Oscar - Old
Cotto - I give credit for this win but Cotto takes head shots to get his body blows...so still made for manny
Clottie - defensive
Hatton - Small Chin First
Marg - ::)
I give FMW credit for mosley. he took some good shots and dominated the fight....given people though it would be competitive.
I'm aware Che but it's still about making weight...and hearns made weight at 145...just like williams...who FMW and manny wont touch. remember roach said mosley was too big...so where the hell does a bigger marg come from? i think he meant too fast and offensive with good power in his right.
anyway...that's boxing for you today.
Mosley is 12 years past his prime .
Forget about belts /titles, ifs ,ors, buts ......etc . Manny is one of the best boxer of all time
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Boxing sucks, the cage is where its at
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boxing hasn't been good since early 90's
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thomas hearns at 6'1" started at 142, could have won belts up to cruiser weight if he had fought all the tomatoes of each division.
i guess that doesnt work when you fight the best a weight class has to offer.
paul willaims is the best at 147-152 with andre berto and couple of others.
and flexb...i'd say cotto was the best manny fought. clottie was too defensive, cant get off. that fight was a give me and arum knew it.
Couldnt' agree more. Manny hasn't fought anyone in their prime. If Floyd fought Margarito after being anihalated by Mosley and out of boxing for 2 yrs, the media and all these Manny fans would be all over him. Instead, Manny is being called one of the greatest of all time ::)
FMW hasn't fought the best? He destroyed Corales (rip) in his prime. Fought Castillo twice and schooled him in the 2nd fight, IN HIS PRIME. If a light punching Clotty & margarito hurt Manny, imagine what Corales would've done. His 8 belts is not the same as Leonard's 5 or Whitakers 5 or Jones 5 or whatever. They fought the best that was out there.
Gretaest since Ali and Robinson ??? ??? I respect Steward but wtf. If he goes out and beat Floyd, Berto, Williams, even Mosley the way he's beaten his last few opponents then I can understand the comparison. For now, his name don't belong in the same conversation as Hagler, Hearns, Jones, Whitaker, Chavez, Leonard, Duran, Mosley, etc
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Couldnt' agree more. Manny hasn't fought anyone in their prime. If Floyd fought Margarito after being anihalated by Mosley and out of boxing for 2 yrs, the media and all these Manny fans would be all over him. Instead, Manny is being called one of the greatest of all time ::)
FMW hasn't fought the best? He destroyed Corales (rip) in his prime. Fought Castillo twice and schooled him in the 2nd fight, IN HIS PRIME. If a light punching Clotty & margarito hurt Manny, imagine what Corales would've done. His 8 belts is not the same as Leonard's 5 or Whitakers 5 or Jones 5 or whatever. They fought the best that was out there.
Gretaest since Ali and Robinson ??? ??? I respect Steward but wtf. If he goes out and beat Floyd, Berto, Williams, even Mosley the way he's beaten his last few opponents then I can understand the comparison. For now, his name don't belong in the same conversation as Hagler, Hearns, Jones, Whitaker, Chavez, Leonard, Duran, Mosley, etc
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Mosley is 12 years past his prime .
Forget about belts /titles, ifs ,ors, buts ......etc . Manny is one of the best boxer of all time
That was a contradiction. Mosley is 12yrs past his prime BUT he annihilated Maragarito 2 yrs ago, (10 yrs past his prime ;D). The same guy that Pacman beat a few days ago that got him this acclaim as best of all time. To be considered the best shouldn't you have to beat the best?
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That was a contradiction. Mosley is 12yrs past his prime BUT he annihilated Maragarito 2 yrs ago, (10 yrs past his prime ;D). The same guy that Pacman beat a few days ago that got him this acclaim as best of all time. To be considered the best shouldn't you have to beat the best?
The best doesn't want to fight him.
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dude has went up how many weight classes?...And now people wanna talk shit because he might not go up more to fight williams oh brother talk about some butt hurt fan boys clinging to there past hero's of yester year...
that's like people calling GSP a pussy because he wont go up enough in weight to fight brock lesner..please...
manny is a legit 135lbs fighter that has stretched himself to the limit weight wise yet you have your know it alls that wanna talk shit & wont ever be satisfied....
Pacman if not the best is top 3-5 of all time put that in your pipe and smoke it then put your lips around my dick and choke it...
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dude has went up how many weight classes?...And now people wanna talk shit because he might not go up more to fight williams oh brother talk about some butt hurt fan boys clinging to there past hero's of yester year...
that's like people calling GSP a pussy because he wont go up enough in weight to fight brock lesner..please...
manny is a legit 135lbs fighter that has stretched himself to the limit weight wise yet you have your know it alls that wanna talk shit & wont ever be satisfied....
Pacman if not the best is top 3-5 of all time put that in your pipe and smoke it then put your lips around my dick and choke it...
Exactly , what they don't get is that Manny started as a Flyweight (112lbs ) they want Manny to fight Martinez /Williams these guys walk around 175/180lbs what is next ,Andre Ward ,Klitchskos ::).
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Exactly , what they don't get is that Manny started as a Flyweight (112lbs ) they want Manny to fight Martinez /Williams these guys walk around 175/180lbs what is next ,Andre Ward ,Klitchskos ::).
right on man...It never stops some people are never satisfied...dude is a living legend but oh oh he wont go up to fight williams...give me a fuckin break already...
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Exactly , what they don't get is that Manny started as a Flyweight (112lbs ) they want Manny to fight Martinez /Williams these guys walk around 175/180lbs what is next ,Andre Ward ,Klitchskos ::).
Man, honestly, do you research before you write? Thats exactly the weigth margarito, De la Hoy and Clotty walk around at. As to the best not wanting to fight him. Ok, FMW has his ego up his ass but manny can pick any othe fighter he wants. None of those guys mentioned would say no to Manny and turn down what would be the biggest payday of their life.
You point about Ward or Klitchko is irrelevnt. Williams, Berto and Martinez are the other title holders, deserved title holders in the exact classs he cherry picked Margarito from. Not unreasonable to question why a guy as good as Manny would fight a guy coming off his biggest loss and 2 yr hiatus when there are other tougher and more deserving opponents to fight in the SAME CLASS
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right on man...It never stops some people are never satisfied...dude is a living legend but oh oh he wont go up to fight williams...give me a fuckin break already...
who said he has to fight williams? he didnt bother fighting the top 3 welterweights but was considered the top of the class.
Congratulations to Manny Pacquiao! Super Welterweight
how the fuck does he win a superwelterweight belt vs a guy coming off of a suspension and knockout?
all this means he is equal to the greats like Ali? ???
BS!
Arum is right up there with Don King now. then again...he and roach get 40% of pac's purses...so let the BS flow.
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Man, honestly, do you research before you write? Thats exactly the weigth margarito, De la Hoy and Clotty walk around at. As to the best not wanting to fight him. Ok, FMW has his ego up his ass but manny can pick any othe fighter he wants. None of those guys mentioned would say no to Manny and turn down what would be the biggest payday of their life.
You point about Ward or Klitchko is irrelevnt. Williams, Berto and Martinez are the other title holders, deserved title holders in the exact classs he cherry picked Margarito from. Not unreasonable to question why a guy as good as Manny would fight a guy coming off his biggest loss and 2 yr hiatus when there are other tougher and more deserving opponents to fight in the SAME CLASS
Berto ::) ,Who has he beat ???
Martinez/Williams = no money.
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Berto ::) ,Who has he beat ???
Martinez/Williams = no money.
come on...che. pac and fmw get a set amt vs marg, williams, martinez or however vs fighting each other in a superfight. yeah...pac gets a bigger payday against clottie vs williams or martinez or mosley before the fmw fight. you're better than that.
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come on...che. pac and fmw get a set amt vs marg, williams, martinez or however vs fighting each other in a superfight. yeah...pac gets a bigger payday against clottie vs williams or martinez or mosley before the fmw fight. you're better than that.
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Berto ::) ,Who has he beat ???
Martinez/Williams = no money.
would been at least the same amount of money as he got for Margarito. There wasn't one expert who thought Margarito had a chance. It's more like no chance against Martinez/Williams than no money. the biggest money fight for him is FMW, next is Mosley. Manny's trainer said Mosley was too big for him, then.what does he do, Go out and fight a guy bigger than Mosley, the same guy who got KO'd by Mosley 2 yrs earlier in a one sided fight.
Why doesn't Manny give Marquez a 3rd fight? except for the 3 early knockdowns in the 1st fight Marquez put on a clinic against him. Pretty much the same way FMW put on a clinic against Marquez.
Who's Berto beat ??? Nobody, but he has a belt, speed and some pop much more dangerous than Margarito. I guess much too dangerous for Manny
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Who's Berto beat ??? Nobody, but he has a belt, speed and some pop much more dangerous than Margarito. I guess much too dangerous for Manny
berto is the best of the 147 champs. somehow manny got the fuck out of the 147 division with BS fights and got the clown ass WBO belt, jumps to 154 and now considered to the best ever ::). anyway...that's boxing today for you.
WBA April 10, 2009 Ukraine Vyacheslav Senchenko 31-0 (20 KO) 2
WBC June 21, 2008 United States Andre Berto 26-0 (20 KO) 4
IBF December 11, 2009 Slovenia Dejan Zavec 30-1 (17 KO) 2
WBO November 14, 2009 Philippines Manny Pacquiao 52-3-2 (38 KO) 1
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Couldnt' agree more. Manny hasn't fought anyone in their prime. If Floyd fought Margarito after being anihalated by Mosley and out of boxing for 2 yrs, the media and all these Manny fans would be all over him. Instead, Manny is being called one of the greatest of all time ::)
FMW hasn't fought the best? He destroyed Corales (rip) in his prime. Fought Castillo twice and schooled him in the 2nd fight, IN HIS PRIME. If a light punching Clotty & margarito hurt Manny, imagine what Corales would've done. His 8 belts is not the same as Leonard's 5 or Whitakers 5 or Jones 5 or whatever. They fought the best that was out there.
Gretaest since Ali and Robinson ??? ??? I respect Steward but wtf. If he goes out and beat Floyd, Berto, Williams, even Mosley the way he's beaten his last few opponents then I can understand the comparison. For now, his name don't belong in the same conversation as Hagler, Hearns, Jones, Whitaker, Chavez, Leonard, Duran, Mosley, etc
Manny has a far better resume than Mayweather. Mayweather established himself at the weight a long time before Manny and has been ducking real challenges a lot longer, he is also naturally a bigger man.
Jones was one of the biggest cherry pickers of all time, even his own network affiliates reprimanded him for it. His name belongs amongst any of those guys. He has easily surpassed Mosley, Chavez, Jones.
Mosley is shot, which is why Floyd fought him. Floyd doesn't want to fight anyone with a pulse so that's that fight out of the window. Williams is basically a cruiser weight lol.
I get the idea that you don't actually know a great deal about the guys names that you are referencing. Anybody that knows anything about boxing knows that Manny belongs in the most exalted company.
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hearns has basically 1 lost to SRL under 160. here is hearns at super welterweight:
mayfeather or punyman vs hearns ::)
ive never seen that fight
hearns totally outclassed duran, and showed respect while doing it. thats a real champ right there
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Mosley is shot, which is why Floyd fought him. Floyd doesn't want to fight anyone with a pulse so that's that fight out of the window. Williams is basically a cruiser weight lol.
I get the idea that you don't actually know a great deal about the guys names that you are referencing. Anybody that knows anything about boxing knows that Manny belongs in the most exalted company.
I get the idea you don't know much about boxing or these guys I mentioned to put Manny's name among the greatest. Who the hell did he beat to be put in that conversation?
If Mosley is shot what's Margarito? If you followed boxing you'd know the same shot Mosley that FMW beat is the same guy that manhandled and KO'd Margarito easily 2 yrs ago and then call Manny the greatest for beating the same guy 2 yrs later in his comeback fight ;D. The same Mosley who Roach said is too big for Manny and wouldn't let Manny fight him at the same time when FMW fought him.
Mosley looked better against Marg 2 yrs ago, without the layoff, than Manny did and even had the power to knock him out.
Who did Jones cherry pick??? Virgil Hill, Toney, Hopkin, etc. all Hall of famers in their primes and considered the best lb 4 lb at the time. Please name me one Hall of famer Manny beat IN THEIR PRIME
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I get the idea you don't know much about boxing or these guys I mentioned to put Manny's name among the greatest. Who the hell did he beat to be put in that conversation?
If Mosley is shot what's Margarito? If you followed boxing you'd know the same shot Mosley that FMW beat is the same guy that manhandled and KO'd Margarito easily 2 yrs ago and then call Manny the greatest for beating the same guy 2 yrs later in his comeback fight ;D. The same Mosley who Roach said is too big for Manny and wouldn't let Manny fight him at the same time when FMW fought him.
Mosley looked better against Marg 2 yrs ago, without the layoff, than Manny did and even had the power to knock him out.
Who did Jones cherry pick??? Virgil Hill, Toney, Hopkin, etc. all Hall of famers in their primes and considered the best lb 4 lb at the time. Please name me one Hall of famer Manny beat IN THEIR PRIME
Mosley is a natural lightweight with a big frame, Manny started out at lightflyweight...Mosely didn't look better at all, he clinched when in range most of the time which shut down Margo's work. Yeah he got the stoppage, Shane is a big puncher, what's your point. It must be said that two years is a long time, styles make fights and Margo was a perfect style matchup for Shane. If you would have said that Manny would be fighting guys like Cotto, Hatton, Margo a few years ago, people would of thought you were crazy and that he would get destroyed.
Roy was renowned for avoiding challenges most of his career. Toney was completely weight drained which is well documented. He beat a young Hopkins in a non eventfull fight granted, although Bernard was green and hadn't really mastered his craft yet. It should be noted that he never gave rematches to either of these fighters. He failed to unify against fellow title holder Dariusz Michalczewsk. He fought probably the weakest heavyweight title holder in the last 50 years in John Ruiz, called out Lewis and the Klitschko's and then dropped down again. Fought cans like Woods, obese light welter Vinny Paz, shot Mccalum and a shit load of no names i can't even be bothered to list during his championship run.
He was great and had unique gifts, but if you want to tear someones resume apart it is pretty easy. With Roy it's easier than most, he even admitted himself he took the easy route at times, his former boss at HBO said as much as well. There were a lot of dangerous fighters that Roy didn't fight.
I don't understand what you are debating here? Manny is widely considered an ATG and his resume surpasses that of most of the guys you listed.
He was named Fighter of the Decade by the Boxing Writers Association of America. I think you are forgetting what weight he started out at, he is fighting guys who are a lot naturally bigger than him. Who would you suggest he fights to validate himself, i'm curious?
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Mosley is a natural lightweight with a big frame, Manny started out at lightflyweight...Mosely didn't look better at all, he clinched when in range most of the time which shut down Margo's work. Yeah he got the stoppage, Shane is a big puncher, what's your point. It must be said that two years is a long time, styles make fights and Margo was a perfect style matchup for Shane. If you would have said that Manny would be fighting guys like Cotto, Hatton, Margo a few years ago, people would of thought you were crazy and that he would get destroyed.
Roy was renowned for avoiding challenges most of his career. Toney was completely weight drained which is well documented. He beat a young Hopkins in a non eventfull fight granted, although Bernard was green and hadn't really mastered his craft yet. It should be noted that he never gave rematches to either of these fighters. He failed to unify against fellow title holder Dariusz Michalczewsk. He fought probably the weakest heavyweight title holder in the last 50 years in John Ruiz, called out Lewis and the Klitschko's and then dropped down again. Fought cans like Woods, obese light welter Vinny Paz, shot Mccalum and a shit load of no names i can't even be bothered to list during his championship run.
He was great and had unique gifts, but if you want to tear someones resume apart it is pretty easy. With Roy it's easier than most, he even admitted himself he took the easy route at times, his former boss at HBO said as much as well. There were a lot of dangerous fighters that Roy didn't fight.
I don't understand what you are debating here? Manny is widely considered an ATG and his resume surpasses that of most of the guys you listed.
He was named Fighter of the Decade by the Boxing Writers Association of America. I think you are forgetting what weight he started out at, he is fighting guys who are a lot naturally bigger than him. Who would you suggest he fights to validate himself, i'm curious?
spot on post with facts...not some bias fan boy shit...Fact pacman is at least the best fighter of the last decade anyone that claims otherwise has a biased agenda....dude has went up how many weight classes?...And been completely dominate...but thats still not enough to convince the haters...
like I said that's like people calling GSP a pussy because he wont go up enough in weight to fight brock lesner..please...put it this way if brock was shrunk to 170lbs GSP would destroy him.same with pacman...shrink any of those already named fighters in height,weight,reach to that of your average 135-140lbs fighter and watch pacman dismantle there asses ..but since a guy like williams cant go down to say oh 140lbs then oh oh manny aint shit because he wont fight a guy 3-5 weight classes above where pacman would normally fight...It's a fucking joke...anyone that doesnt give manny his props at this point is also a joke...
manny is a fighter that has stretched himself to the limit weight wise yet you have your know it alls that wanna talk shit & wont ever be satisfied....
Pacman if not the best is top 3-5 of all time put that in your pipe and smoke it then put your lips around my dick and choke it...
and these guys doing boxing math where w beat x therefore y would destroy z...haha that's so kindergarten shit...MMA or boxing math never add up like that and you have the brain of a 1st grader to even imply such drivel...
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Please name me one Hall of famer Manny beat IN THEIR PRIME
Barrera ,Morales ,Marquez
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i'm tired of arum. let him fight berto or martinez and i'm sold. fucking fight a monster puncher with good chin and equal hand speed, PRIME in his class in a unification bout. and martinez IS A YOUNG 35 AND is shorter than margo and can fight at 154...so enough of the BS about too big like williams. but i see arum has his eyes on an old ass mosley since they saw what fmw did with him or have manny fight a blown up 140 guy. ::)
JUST SOME TALK FROM HOPKINS.
While watching Manny Pacquiao dominate Antonio Margarito during Saturday night's HBO pay per view televised clash at the Dallas Cowboys Stadium, many African American boxers and fight fans wondered when they would see the Filipino super star challenge Floyd Mayweather "or any other top notch black fighter."
At least, that's what one of boxing's elder statesmen, Bernard Hopkins, believes.
"Maybe I'm biased because I'm black, but I think that this is what is said at people's homes and around the dinner table among black boxing fans and fighters. Most of them won't say it [in public] because they're not being real and they don't have the balls to say it," said Hopkins, a 45-year-old future Hall of Famer and a multi-division champion.
"But I do think that a fighter like like the Ray Leonards or anyone like that would be beat by a guy [like Pacquiao] if they come with their game," said Hopkins. "Listen, this ain't a racial thing, but then again, maybe it is. But the style that is embedded in most of us black fighters, that style could be a problem to any other style of fighting."
Pacquiao (52-3-2, 38 knockouts) earned the WBC's vacant junior middleweight (154 pounds) belt, his eighth crown over as many weight classes, with Saturday night's unanimous decision over the Mexican-born Margarito (38-7, 27 KOs) at the Dallas Cowboys Stadium.
Already the WBO welterweight (147 pounds) champion, Pacquiao won for the 13th straight time, including eight knockouts during that run. Nicknamed "The Mexicutioner," Pacquiao's triumph over Margarito continued his dominance over Mexican fighters, against whom he is 11-0-1, with seven knockouts during his winning streak.
Speaking for Pacquaio, the fighter's adviser, Michael Koncz, said that "Manny has nothing left to prove to anybody."
"I would say to hell with all of those guys who are talking. Manny has done more than anybody in boxing than anybody has ever imagined. He has the right to select his opponents. These black fighters, you know, we're not prejudiced. We don't care if they're black, green or blue," said Koncz.
"All that we care about is what fighter has a following," said Koncz. "When these fighters that are crying about fighting Manny develop a following, and can prove to us, statistically, that it's economically feasible, then we will have no problem fighting them. But until then, they can cry all that they want."
But Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports wrote recently, that "Pacquiao still has [yet] to face the ultimate test -- the fast, speedy, in-his-prime opponent that a [Floyd] Mayweather would be."
A fighter such as Sugar Ray Leonard, Iole contends, "represents the kind of fighter Pacquiao has yet to face: A big guy with tremendous speed and quickness as well as punching power, defensive skill and a quality chin."
"That's why Floyd Mayweather would beat Manny Pacquiao because the styles that African American fighters -- and I mean, black fighters from the streets or the inner cities -- would be successful," said Hopkins. "I think Floyd Mayweather would pot-shot Pacquiao and bust him up in between the four-to-five punches that Pacquiao throws and then set him up later on down the line."
But negotiations to make a bout between Mayweather (40-0, 25 knockouts) and Pacquiao have twice fallen apart, even as Koncz said that Pacquiao still very much wants that fight.
"As far as Floyd Mayweather, he has [Top Rank Promotions' CEO] Bob Arum's phone number and [Mayweather's adviser] Al Haymon has Bob Arum's phone number. He has my phone number," said Koncz.
"But we're not going to chase him," said Koncz. "We gave him two opportunities and they insulted us and attempted to make us look foolish. So, we're not chasing him. If he wants to call us, then he's welcome to call us."
Pacquiao has faced and beaten the counter-punching Joshua Clottey, a native of Ghana, but Hopkins discounts that win.
"Clottey is 'black,' but not a 'black boxer' from the states with a slick style. So you can't really say that Clottey is an African American fighter in that sense," said Hopkins. "No, I'm talking about an inner city, American-born fighter who has the style of maybe a Floyd Mayweather or a Zab Judah or a Shane Mosley."
Pacquiao's promoter, Bob Arum, has gotten wind of such rumblings, but, as Hopkins said, rarely aloud.
"I have heard that, yes. A lot of people don't articulate it. But a lot of people, in effect, hint at it. But you're absolutely correct, and there is no argument there," said Arum. "Like I said, there's no argument there that he has not fought a top African American fighter. But the notion that he would not fight an African American fighter is rediculous."
If a mega bout with unbeaten Mayweather can not be made, Arum said that he is considering putting Pacquiao in against other African American boxers.
Arum said that former world titlist Shane Mosley is perhaps the first consideration for Pacquiao, whose trainer, Freddie Roach, told FanHouse that he no longer wants Pacquiao to fight below the welterweight division.
Arum also mentioned the winner of a scheduled, Jan. 29, HBO televised bout featuring southpaw WBC junior welterweight (140 pounds) king Devon Alexander (21-0, 13 KOs) and WBO counter part Tim Bradley (26-0, 11 KOs), or a match up against talented WBC welterweight champ Andre Berto (26-0, 20 KOs).
"A fight with Shane Mosley would answer that situation. And maybe the winner of Devon Alexander and Tim Bradley would answer that. Andre Berto might be a consideration, also, yes," said Arum.
"There's no reason why he wouldn't fight an Andre Berto, because he's at 147 pounds. Berto's Manny's size, so, you know, that's good," said Arum. "We're looking for African Americans to fight. I would think that it is likely that Manny will fight an African American in his next fight, whether it's Floyd Mayweather, Shane Mosley, or somebody else."
Koncz concurred that Mosley (47-6-1, 39 KOs) is the leading candidate to face Pacquiao.
"As for Shane Mosley, I had discussions with him in Texas, and that's a possibility. I told him that we would talk after the [Margarito] fight," said Koncz.
"I guess that he's with [adviser] James Prince and not with Golden Boy [Promotions,] so that makes things easier for us also," said Koncz. "Out of all of the African American fighters, the one with the biggest following and that makes the most economic sense to us would be Shane Mosley."
Arum said, however, that he would not be likely to match the nearly 5-foot-7 Pacquiao, who weighed in at 144.6 pounds against Margarito's 150, with the nearly 6-2 Paul Williams (39-1, 27 KOs).
A southpaw former three-time world champion, Williams has weighed in at as much as 157 pounds for non-title, middleweight (160 pounds) wins over former world champion, Winky Wright, and, Sergio Martinez -- the latter in a December clash of southpaws during which both fighters were floored in the first round.
Williams weighed 145.5 when he out-pointed Margarito in July of 2007 for the WBO welterweight crown, and, nearly 146 pounds in June of 2008 when his first-round knockout dethroned southpaw Carlos Quintana in a rematch of Quintana's, February, 2008 win over Williams.
Williams, however, has not fought at 147 since the second Quintana bout.
Pacquiao, meanwhile, weighed in at a career-high, 145 and three fourths for his unanimous decision win over Clottey in March, and entered the ring at a weight disadvantage of 148-to-165 against Margarito.
Pacquiao, nevertheless, won virtually every round against Margarito, even as the eventual winner was doubled over by a vicious left-handed body shot by Margarito in the sixth round.
Arum said that Pacquiao absorbed a lot of punishment against both Clottey and Margarito, suffering sore wrists and ribs against Margarito, the latter of which required an MRI examination before he was cleared.
Arum won't risk similar injuries that could result from a Pacquiao-Williams clash.
"Paul Williams is just too big. I mean, Manny Pacquiao is a little guy who has to eat to get up to a weight to fight Antonio Margarito. I want to put him in at least with a couple of fighters," said Arum.
"Every fight he's fighting these giants. I mean, you know, if I keep doing that, I'll just wear him down," said Arum. "If Mayweather is not available, then I want to put him in with guys his own size."
Williams, however, simply wants a shot at Pacquiao.
"It ain't got nothing to do with whether you're African American, white, Chinese, Puerto Rican or whatever. None of that really matters to me. If you've got the skills, then you've got the skills," Williams said on Tuesday from Atlantic City, N.J., where he is preparing for Saturday's HBO televised rematch with Martinez (45-2-2, 24 KOs).
"Manny is the man out there now. He's got all of the hype and he's got eight titles that he's won, so he's the man and you've got to respect that and give him his props," said Williams. "But my thing is that they say that he's beaten up a lot of big guys, and they say that I'm beating up a lot of little guys, so I'd love to get in there and fight Manny Pacquiao."
But Williams may just have to wait in line, said Koncz.
"The selection of opponents for Manny has nothing to do with race, creed or color. It's all about business. And they can cry all that they want. It's all about economics, now, with Manny's career," said Koncz.
"We have the luxury of doing that because Manny has proven to the world that he's got nothing left to prove," said Koncz. "If there are any boxing people out there who doubt him, then, to hell with them."
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Barrera ,Morales ,Marquez
arguably Manny lost against Marquez in their 2nd fight, many thought so. Also, Morrales beat Manny in their first fight and it's fair to say both Morrales and Barrera weren't prime anymore. Marquez is really the only fighter that was prime and worthy at the same time for Manny.
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He was named Fighter of the Decade by the Boxing Writers Association of America. I think you are forgetting what weight he started out at, he is fighting guys who are a lot naturally bigger than him. Who would you suggest he fights to validate himself, i'm curious?
Oh my bad, that ends the debate then ::) He beat Barera which was very impressive, Morales beat him and almost knocked him out, against Marquez, he knocked him down 3 times in the 1st round in the 1st fight and one time in the 2nd fight. beside those 2 rounds, Marquez dominated him for the next 22 rounds. If he's considered one of the greatest and so many ppl think Marquez beat him in both fights why not give him a rematch?
as to who eh could fight, Marquez, Mosley, Berto, Judah. all guys his size or smaller since all of a sudden everyone that poses a threat to him is too big.
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arguably Manny lost against Marquez in their 2nd fight, many thought so. Also, Morrales beat Manny in their first fight and it's fair to say both Morrales and Barrera weren't prime anymore. Marquez is really the only fighter that was prime and worthy at the same time for Manny.
besides the judges I don't think you'll get an argument from anyone who say both fights that Marquez won both and easily.
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no one is debating Pac's place in history under super light weight. it's the BS going on at 144 - 154lbs
ES already spoke about his label mate and his BS fights as of late.
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bernard hopkins " I will never let a white boy beat me" is racist asshole and his opinion on Pacquiao is biased because he think that black boxers are alwais superior to boxer of other races.
Hopkins and roy jones are the most overrated middleweight champions in history because were fighting in one of the worst era of the division when there was no oppositions and both of them were exposed once they faced and lost with joe calzaghe a light puncher with a good hand speed but not a great at all.
Hopkins was losing a middleweight fight with a blown up oscar de la hoya until oscar took a dive after been hit by a misterious body punches of hopkins in one of the most suspect ko since Ali vs Liston 2.
Imagine if hopkins and roy jones were fighting in the 70 or the 80 and they had to face Monzon or Hagler, hopkins and roy jones would never become world champions. They were lucky to be fighting with that mediocre opposition at the time just like the Klitschko brothers are lucky to be fighting in the heavyweight division now!
This clip show what kind of racist hopkins is:
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