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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Firemuscle on November 14, 2010, 03:49:30 PM
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If you're gonna lift naturally it's best to just lift hard a few times a week, eat a normal 3 meals per day and that's it.
If you decide to go the extra mile and eat 8 times a day, lift 6x per week, sleep 10 hours per day, eat tons of protien, etc. It's only make like an extra 10% of difference. Is it worth it to bust your ass for an extra 10%?
On top of that, if you go on a vacation for a month or get sick, you'll lose a lot of your gains and it'll take a couple months to get it all back.
Bodybuilding = steroids
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Big & fat, abs and skinny. >:(
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Big & fat, abs and skinny. >:(
that's the unfortunate truth for naturals. :'(
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I disagree with a lot of that stuff.
If you enjoy it do it by all means. As long as it isn't harming people or myself people can do as they please.
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I agree with you on this. I remeber being 18 thinking I could get huge if I ate a couple more times a day and worked my freaken ass off. When I was 21 I blew up from 185 pound to 205 with 1 amp a week of hg sustanon. It was amazing!
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it's hard out here for a natural. ;D I have been clean for a couple years, but I still train and eat the staples of fish, eggs, beef etc... however as long as I get the protein in I will eat whatever else I want to within reason.
the worst part in my case is the fact that I have brutal stretchmarks all over my body and I don't have the brutal size anymore to go with it. I will eventually go back on probably long term low dose test, but I still enjoy 'bodybuilding' whilst on or off. helps keep me sane..
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Problem is, define natural...the chicken you eat has been grown hormones, the fish, eggs as well. The beef as well. The fruits as well.
Then, what about lifting because you like it, instead of lifting because you want to get huge. The negative thinking of natty bbing sucks, is why many don't do so well, don't develop a base and hope on the chemical route.
Anytime you have a love and passion for something, it shows...you may not be Phil Heath huge, but if you set realistic goals, shit everything will fall into place.
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Then, what about lifting because you like it, instead of lifting because you want to get huge. The negative thinking of natty bbing sucks, is why many don't do so well, don't develop a base and hope on the chemical route.
Anytime you have a love and passion for something, it shows...you may not be Phil Heath huge, but if you set realistic goals, shit everything will fall into place.
true, I first started lifting as a teenager and mass was the one and only real goal in mind. somewhere along the way though, I learned to respect and enjoy the process. mass is a distant third or fourth as far as my motivations go these days at 30 years old (but still relatively important :D).
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That's why I keep on lifting 4x per week. It makes me feel great and I love doing it.
The gains to my physique though. I think i've peaked out. And no matter how much I slam away on the weights or what I eat I just stay at this peak.
There is a difference between "weight lifting" and "bodybuilding". Bodybuilding suggests that you are changin your body and building it up. Weightlifting is just lifting iron for health, fun, or whatever. I feel like i'm just weight lifting now.
I've stopped stuffing myself with protien and lots of food for the past 6 months and I havn't lost any strength or size.
I think a lot of the basic principles about natural bodybuilding are false. Driven by money and the fitness industry.
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You can build a very respectable physique naturally, even though you will never look anything close to a pro. But it takes years and years of solid, consistent effort, which most people don't have the patience for.
And you'll only look impressive if you have fairly good genetics, which rules out a lot of people, unfortunately. I'm talking about just building up the physique here and not competing naturally, which is a bit of a joke in more ways than one.
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If all the pros got off drugs there would be no Olympia contest. If there was one it would be held in a highschool gym. The sport can't exist without drugs.
I am a fan of natural bodybuilding but the sub culture that follows bodybuilding would leave for good if by magic drugs went away.
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I blew up from 185 pound to 205 with 1 amp a week of hg sustanon. It was amazing!
Human grade ::) I went from 208 to 240 on Chinese garbage... I may have dosed it a little higher than 250mgs a week though ;D
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Oh god please don't start that shit here...
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If you're gonna lift naturally it's best to just lift hard a few times a week, eat a normal 3 meals per day and that's it.
If you decide to go the extra mile and eat 8 times a day, lift 6x per week, sleep 10 hours per day, eat tons of protien, etc. It's only make like an extra 10% of difference. Is it worth it to bust your ass for an extra 10%?
On top of that, if you go on a vacation for a month or get sick, you'll lose a lot of your gains and it'll take a couple months to get it all back.
Bodybuilding = steroids
Great points and I agree...very pointless naturally....
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Great points and I agree...very pointless naturally....
Well I think weight lifting naturally to be "in shape" is alright.
But trying to "bodybuild" naturally is retarded. When you are lifting hard naturally you just peak out after a couple years and that's it, nothing more you can do but maintain it.
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When you are lifting hard naturally you just peak out after a couple years and that's it, nothing more you can do but maintain it.
You're wrong - you just don't know how to train to keep improving ;)
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You're wrong - you just don't know how to train to keep improving ;)
I do actually. Been lifting for 15 years. Done it all.
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natural bodybuilding = oxymoron
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Well I think weight lifting naturally to be "in shape" is alright.
But trying to "bodybuild" naturally is retarded. When you are lifting hard naturally you just peak out after a couple years and that's it, nothing more you can do but maintain it.
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I do actually. Been lifting for 15 years. Done it all.
Lifting for x number of years doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing (not saying you don't). I started when I was around 12, although I had no clue the first 3 - 4 years and trained mostly arms every time. But I read and learnt a fair bit along the way and started improving over time.
Never stopped growing, although the rate of size increase does decline over time and it's harder & harder to improve on size and strength after the first few years.
Majority of people who exercise for years look the same. Out of 1000 or so people, maybe 5 or 6 keep improving over time after the first couple of years. So it can happen and isn't impossible.
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Lifting for x number of years doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing (not saying you don't). I started when I was around 12, although I had no clue the first 3 - 4 years and trained mostly arms every time. But I read and learnt a fair bit along the way and started improving over time.
Never stopped growing, although the rate of size increase does decline over time and it's harder & harder to improve on size and strength after the first few years.
Majority of people who exercise for years look the same. Out of 1000 or so people, maybe 5 or 6 keep improving over time after the first couple of years. So it can happen and isn't impossible.
Yawn....
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Lifting for x number of years doesn't necessarily mean you know what you're doing (not saying you don't). I started when I was around 12, although I had no clue the first 3 - 4 years and trained mostly arms every time. But I read and learnt a fair bit along the way and started improving over time.
Never stopped growing, although the rate of size increase does decline over time and it's harder & harder to improve on size and strength after the first few years.
Majority of people who exercise for years look the same. Out of 1000 or so people, maybe 5 or 6 keep improving over time after the first couple of years. So it can happen and isn't impossible.
Golly you're right.
Maybe i'm not growing cuz all i'm doing is calf raises and reverse curls all day.
I've just been doinng it wrong all along :-[
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Natural bodybuilding is a joke
If you want to compete as natural status in now aday,then thats a joke.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.new#new (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.new#new)
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And away we go.
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Yawn....
Seen your pics and you juice, so obviously, you're not going to accept what I say anyway
Golly you're right.
Maybe i'm not growing cuz all i'm doing is calf raises and reverse curls all day.
I've just been doinng it wrong all along :-[
It's not only about what you're doing, but also how you're doing it, which is my point. Carry on.
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Natural bodybuilding is a joke
If you want to compete as natural status in now aday,then thats a joke.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.new#new (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.new#new)
You aren't natural.
That is BULLSHIT.
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Seen your pics and you juice, so obviously, you're not going to accept what I say anyway
It's not only about what you're doing, but also how you're doing it, which is my point. Carry on.
Last time I juiced was 3 years ago and I have trained more natty than juiced...I've probably been on juice 1 year total of all my cycles...
Training natty is cool...but I like seeing real results on sensible doses....
Natty bodybuilding is a joke because it doesn't exist...
If you have never juiced, you don't know what your missing...You feel like a god...Energy through the roof, incredible feeling of well being, incredible strength, incredible virility, and gains...You don't have to drug it up like a pro, you can do alot with a little...Like I said the most I ever done was 4i.u. gh, 400mg eq 750mg test...both UG and I had incredible gains...try it, you won't regret it.
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I juiced 3 years ago was my last time and I have trained more natty than juiced...I've probably been on juice 1 year total of all my cycles...
Training natty is cool...but I like seeing real results on sensible doses....
Natty bodybuilding is a joke because it doesn't exist...
Fair enough. And I agree with you about it being a joke if you're talking about a contest.
Just saying that you can build a respectable physique without juice as long as you have really good genetics and are willing to put in years of solid work.
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You aren't natural.
That is BULLSHIT.
I know that no one can prove himself is natural on webside.
And any arguement here is wast time.
But please respect my own choice.
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Fair enough. And I agree with you about it being a joke if you're talking about a contest.
Just saying that you can build a respectable physique without juice as long as you have really good genetics and are willing to put in years of solid work.
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That's why I keep on lifting 4x per week. It makes me feel great and I love doing it.
The gains to my physique though. I think i've peaked out. And no matter how much I slam away on the weights or what I eat I just stay at this peak.
There is a difference between "weight lifting" and "bodybuilding". Bodybuilding suggests that you are changin your body and building it up. Weightlifting is just lifting iron for health, fun, or whatever. I feel like i'm just weight lifting now.
I've stopped stuffing myself with protien and lots of food for the past 6 months and I havn't lost any strength or size.
I think a lot of the basic principles about natural bodybuilding are false. Driven by money and the fitness industry.
It looks like you've reached a minor epiphany and that being that you're in this for you. I call it being a physical culturist, not a bodybuilder. Weight training is an integral part of physical culture and along with proper nutrition, sleep and a well rounded life outside the gym results in a more complete person. Good for you.
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If you're gonna lift naturally it's best to just lift hard a few times a week, eat a normal 3 meals per day and that's it.
If you decide to go the extra mile and eat 8 times a day, lift 6x per week, sleep 10 hours per day, eat tons of protien, etc. It's only make like an extra 10% of difference. Is it worth it to bust your ass for an extra 10%?
On top of that, if you go on a vacation for a month or get sick, you'll lose a lot of your gains and it'll take a couple months to get it all back.
Bodybuilding = steroids
You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. You fit in well here.
Eat 3 regular meals vs. chicken 6x per day=10% more gains?
Wake up.
This is pretty much what most tools tell themselves, just before cheesing it with a cycle. Fact is, most can't stick to a 5 meal per day regimented diet for more than a month. People are weak and most need drugs to make any kind of substantial gains.
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Last time I juiced was 3 years ago and I have trained more natty than juiced...I've probably been on juice 1 year total of all my cycles...
Training natty is cool...but I like seeing real results on sensible doses....
Natty bodybuilding is a joke because it doesn't exist...
If you have never juiced, you don't know what your missing...You feel like a god...Energy through the roof, incredible feeling of well being, incredible strength, incredible virility, and gains...You don't have to drug it up like a pro, you can do alot with a little...Like I said the most I ever done was 4i.u. gh, 400mg eq 750mg test...both UG and I had incredible gains...try it, you won't regret it.
The problem is that you will regret it when you have to get off that stuff. And you will have to get off, either from abuse of your body or the inability to afford it any longer.
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Crotch, let's train this week...no homo...I'll go to your eastern and serene and you can come to my Flamingo and Sandhill...
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Last time I juiced was 3 years ago and I have trained more natty than juiced...I've probably been on juice 1 year total of all my cycles...
Training natty is cool...but I like seeing real results on sensible doses....
Natty bodybuilding is a joke because it doesn't exist...
If you have never juiced, you don't know what your missing...You feel like a god...Energy through the roof, incredible feeling of well being, incredible strength, incredible virility, and gains...You don't have to drug it up like a pro, you can do alot with a little...Like I said the most I ever done was 4i.u. gh, 400mg eq 750mg test...both UG and I had incredible gains...try it, you won't regret it.
Wiggs, what about the fact that one's ligaments and tendons don't grow at the same rate as the the muscle when juicing...so the tendons and ligaments are weaker, sometimes tear when strained or during a explosive movement.
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The problem is that you will regret it when you have to get off that stuff. And you will have to get off, either from abuse of your body or the inability to afford it any longer.
I've been off 3 years...I don't have a complex where I always have to be big...it's fun and all...Look at it like taking vitamins...Nothing wrong with HRT...There are plenty of examples of people that use long term with no irreversible side effects....You guys like to use the worst cases to state your point...A little gh, test and eq and your good to go...assuming that is you have a base...I more than had a base by time I used...
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Wiggs, what about the fact that one's ligaments and tendons don't grow at the same rate as the the muscle when juicing...so the tendons and ligaments are weaker, sometimes tear when strained or during a explosive movement.
I've NEVER been injured lifting...why? Because I don't go in the gym thinking I'm Ronnie...That happens to people that train like maniacs and with bad form and use too much weight...I train like a bodybuilder not a P lifter...I can get down and max out if I need to though..
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Last time I juiced was 3 years ago and I have trained more natty than juiced...I've probably been on juice 1 year total of all my cycles...
Training natty is cool...but I like seeing real results on sensible doses....
Natty bodybuilding is a joke because it doesn't exist...
If you have never juiced, you don't know what your missing...You feel like a god...Energy through the roof, incredible feeling of well being, incredible strength, incredible virility, and gains...You don't have to drug it up like a pro, you can do alot with a little...Like I said the most I ever done was 4i.u. gh, 400mg eq 750mg test...both UG and I had incredible gains...try it, you won't regret it.
Good post but natty BB is hardly a joke.
It is a matter of degrees and who actually follows the official written rules.
The IFBB doesn't enforce the 48 pgs of drug testing and banned substances they have on the books.
WE all know what really goes on and who cares, is my opinion at this point.
BB done without extreme drug use is a very healthy lifestyle.
With a buttload of grey area , legal stuff it is near impossible to say exactly when natty ends and drugged begins.
If you are healthy and happy with your gains that is all that really matters unlress you are a pro.
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You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. You fit in well here.
Eat 3 regular meals vs. chicken 6x per day=10% more gains?
Wake up.
This is pretty much what most tools tell themselves, just before cheesing it with a cycle. Fact is, most can't stick to a 5 meal per day regimented diet for more than a month. People are weak and most need drugs to make any kind of substantial gains.
I was on a high protein, 6 meal per day regiman from Oct. 2009 to May 2010. The gains were nothing amazing. After 15 years of lifting I think i've just maxed out.
I've got discipline. I'm not some lazy fuck. I guess it's just my genetics.
Now i'm eating a healthy and balanced 3 meals per day with snacks and it's all just about the same.
It's the truth.
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Natural bodybuilding is a joke
If you want to compete as natural status in now aday,then thats a joke.
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.new#new (http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.new#new)
As natural as seman in your asshole
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I was on a high protein, 6 meal per day regiman from Oct. 2009 to May 2010. The gains were nothing amazing. After 15 years of lifting I think i've just maxed out.
I've got discipline. I'm not some lazy fuck. I guess it's just my genetics.
Now i'm eating a healthy and balanced 3 meals per day with snacks and it's all just about the same.
It's the truth.
Good post and you are right once you get close to your max potential it is tough to make any more gains no matter what you do naturally.
The more rigid diets are best used for contest regimes to get ripped.
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I know that no one can prove himself is natural on webside.
And any arguement here is wast time.
But please respect my own choice.
You are almost 60 and you look like that......
You are 100% on hormones.
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You are almost 60 and you look like that......
You are 100% on hormones.
some of my friends looks younger than me,and they never lift weights.
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some of my friends looks younger than me,and they never lift weights.
I'm not talking about how "young" you look.
I'm talking about your muscles. The density, fullness, mass, vascularity........ not natural at all.
But I understand Taiwanese culture. You could never admit to steroid use. It's all good bro ;)
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As natural as seman in your asshole
Calm down,bro
Don't be so pist off
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I'm not talking about how "young" you look.
I'm talking about your muscles. The density, fullness, mass, vascularity........ not natural at all.
But I understand Taiwanese culture. You could never admit to steroid use. It's all good bro ;)
i use real name, pics and address here.
Welcome you train with me,then you know.
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On top of that, if you go on a vacation for a month or get sick, you'll lose a lot of your gains and it'll take a couple months to get it all back.
Not true
It takes about two weeks for me.
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I know that no one can prove himself is natural on webside.
And any arguement here is wast time.
But please respect my own choice.
you gotta remember this is his natural peak so to him anything better is hormonized
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/FunkyMonk6969/Picture003.jpg)
not trying to flame him but...
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I've NEVER been injured lifting...why? Because I don't go in the gym thinking I'm Ronnie...That happens to people that train like maniacs and with bad form and use too much weight...I train like a bodybuilder not a P lifter...I can get down and max out if I need to though..
Not so much in that, I was thinking like sprinting, playing ball, soccer, or going for run, when you are accellerating, deccellerating where your ligaments and tendons are stressed. And then there have been a fair amount of bodybuilders who have torn their pecs in a fight (WTF?) i'm guessing the instant explosive push/pul, is too much for the tendons and ligaments?
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I'm not talking about how "young" you look.
I'm talking about your muscles. The density, fullness, mass, vascularity........ not natural at all.
But I understand Taiwanese culture. You could never admit to steroid use. It's all good bro ;)
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i use real name, pics and address here.
Welcome you train with me,then you know.
Will you fly me out to Taiwan.
I'll train with you, then you we get naked and soap each other up in the showers. Happy massage bro.
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you gotta remember this is his natural peak so to him anything better is hormonized
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/FunkyMonk6969/Picture003.jpg)
not trying to flame him but...
Whoa who is that guy? He's pretty jacked.
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Not so much in that, I was thinking like sprinting, playing ball, soccer, or going for run, when you are accellerating, deccellerating where your ligaments and tendons are stressed. And then there have been a fair amount of bodybuilders who have torn their pecs in a fight (WTF?) i'm guessing the instant explosive push/pul, is too much for the tendons and ligaments?
wtf this is getBIG not, gethealthy with a happy lifestyle abundant in productive activities which result in female friendly physiques. we're supposed to get big at anyones cost.
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you gotta remember this is his natural peak so to him anything better is hormonized
(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y230/FunkyMonk6969/Picture003.jpg)
not trying to flame him but...
It's the Sevastase syndrome all over.
If that physique is after juicing, then the guy has no business saying what is or not possible naturally.
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wtf this is getBIG not, gethealthy with a happy lifestyle abundant in productive activities which result in female friendly physiques. we're supposed to get big at anyones cost.
Where's your picture big guy?
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It's the Sevastase syndrome all over.
If that physique is after juicing, then the guy has no business saying what is or not possible naturally.
That was after a long lay off due to a 4 month backpacking trip. Then a solid 6 months of disciplined natural training.
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Where's your picture big guy?
somewhere in sev's hardrive.
I'm no monster but I don't have to push my arm against my body with a shirt on either
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That was after a long lay off due to a 4 month backpacking trip. Then a solid 6 months of disciplined natural training.
why would you post pics after a lay off?
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That was after a long lay off due to a 4 month backpacking trip. Then a solid 6 months of disciplined natural training.
If that is indeed you, then you have nothing to be ashamed of. I know it can be frustrating to see what's possible with "supplements" and I can remember all the old Weider ads that read something like "Gain two inches on your arms and three inches on your chest the FIRST week, when you train like the Champs!!!!"
It was hinted that you trained like them via the "Weider Principles" and plenty of Weider Weight Gain (lotsa SUGAR ;D in that stuff) when the reality of it was dianabol. Don't let anyone kid you, your physique is good and something to be proud of.
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Natural bodybuilding is not a joke. A person just has to be willing to do the work to get the results. Have a reasonable goal in mind and GO FOR IT! I know heavy lifting works best for me. I mostly stay in the 6-8 rep range at times even lower. Knowing this then there is no reason for me to waste my time going light weights high reps. All the years of training I know which exercises works best for me, I keep those and eliminated the ones that doesn't work. for the past 11 weeks Ive been hitting back at least twice aw eek, some days I would even train back in the am then again in the pm. Had a few tell me I was over training, but I didn't feel my body telling me, so I kept at it just to find out for myself. Cant listen to others telling me what cant do, or that I can't gain or build muscle naturally. I took this pic yesterday, this is the results of my so called "overtraining".
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Crotch, let's train this week...no homo...I'll go to your eastern and serene and you can come to my Flamingo and Sandhill...
Right on.
Biceps/Forearms Monday
Hamstrings/Calves Tues.
Chest/Triceps Wed.
Take your pic.
No homo...haha
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Natural bodybuilding is not a joke. A person just has to be willing to do the work to get the results. Have a reasonable goal in mind and GO FOR IT! I know heavy lifting works best for me. I mostly stay in the 6-8 rep range at times even lower. Knowing this then there is no reason for me to waste my time going light weights high reps. All the years of training I know which exercises works best for me, I keep those and eliminated the ones that doesn't work. for the past 11 weeks Ive been hitting back at least twice aw eek, some days I would even train back in the am then again in the pm. Had a few tell me I was over training, but I didn't feel my body telling me, so I kept at it just to find out for myself. Cant listen to others telling me what cant do, or that I can't gain or build muscle naturally. I took this pic yesterday, this is the results of my so called "overtraining".
haha, Brutal black man genetics. 20" waist, 30" arms, 3%bf.
I actually believe you're natural.
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i use real name, pics and address here.
LOL, thanks, that's all we needed for confirmation.
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If that is indeed you, then you have nothing to be ashamed of. I know it can be frustrating to see what's possible with "supplements" and I can remember all the old Weider ads that read something like "Gain two inches on your arms and three inches on your chest the FIRST week, when you train like the Champs!!!!"
It was hinted that you trained like them via the "Weider Principles" and plenty of Weider Weight Gain (lotsa SUGAR ;D in that stuff) when the reality of it was dianabol. Don't let anyone kid you, your physique is good and something to be proud of.
Thanks man, I am happy with myself. And that pic is 6 months old and i've brought myself up a little more than that. Got more lean but kept the muscle. I'm gonna keep on battling the iron and see where it takes me.
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Natural bodybuilding is not a joke. A person just has to be willing to do the work to get the results. Have a reasonable goal in mind and GO FOR IT! I know heavy lifting works best for me. I mostly stay in the 6-8 rep range at times even lower. Knowing this then there is no reason for me to waste my time going light weights high reps. All the years of training I know which exercises works best for me, I keep those and eliminated the ones that doesn't work. for the past 11 weeks Ive been hitting back at least twice aw eek, some days I would even train back in the am then again in the pm. Had a few tell me I was over training, but I didn't feel my body telling me, so I kept at it just to find out for myself. Cant listen to others telling me what cant do, or that I can't gain or build muscle naturally. I took this pic yesterday, this is the results of my so called "overtraining".
SICK PIC! Props'
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SICK PIC! Props'
He is all natural, just some M1T, Superdrol etc on the side... ::) ::)
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He is all natural, just some M1T, Superdrol etc on the side... ::) ::)
If he's on that now then no he's not natural and a liar. But the guy said he did M1t years ago. I have no problem with that! I've tried prohomones in the past I never came close to that. Anyways whatever he's doing it's working.
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Natural bodybuilding is not a joke. A person just has to be willing to do the work to get the results. Have a reasonable goal in mind and GO FOR IT! I know heavy lifting works best for me. I mostly stay in the 6-8 rep range at times even lower. Knowing this then there is no reason for me to waste my time going light weights high reps. All the years of training I know which exercises works best for me, I keep those and eliminated the ones that doesn't work. for the past 11 weeks Ive been hitting back at least twice aw eek, some days I would even train back in the am then again in the pm. Had a few tell me I was over training, but I didn't feel my body telling me, so I kept at it just to find out for myself. Cant listen to others telling me what cant do, or that I can't gain or build muscle naturally. I took this pic yesterday, this is the results of my so called "overtraining".
What is your height and weight and are you a lifetime natural?
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(http://www.techdigest.tv/assets_c/2009/03/no-comment-thumb-300x223-81839.jpg)
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If he's on that now then no he's not natural and a liar. But the guy said he did M1t years ago. I have no problem with that! I've tried prohomones in the past I never came close to that. Anyways whatever he's doing it's working.
M1T is a steroid, no PH.
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M1T is a steroid, no PH.
Sevastase is gonna go Captain Chernobyl on this thread when he logs in
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Sevastase is gonna go Captain Chernobyl on this thread when he logs in
LMFAO!!
but, even i would go Hulk Smash on this thread if all i had from 100mg Dianabol ed was water gains and some light-absorbing-brother grows like a weed on 2 or 3 cycles a year. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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What is your height and weight and are you a lifetime natural?
what up Wiggs? I'm 6'3 haven't stepped foot on a scale in months, these days I just go by what I see in the mirror. I try to stay lean year round now, in the past I did the bulking thing but it was too hard getting that bf off! 06'-07' I tried ph's had some bad side effects, so I haven't touched anything besides creatine, multi vits, pre and post workouts drinks, fatburners, protein shakes since! So never tried anything other than pro hormones.
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naturals dont have legs.
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naturals dont have small man syndrome
fixed
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Calm down,bro
Don't be so pist off
Not pissed bro :) You a good man and I like you coach but in my opinion you are using drugs to acheive the look you have.It's nothing to be ashamed of but I understand why the need to keep it on the down low ;)
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It's the Sevastase syndrome all over.
If that physique is after juicing, then the guy has no business saying what is or not possible naturally.
if that's considered "jacked" i must have good genetics... ;D
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Right on.
Biceps/Forearms Monday
Hamstrings/Calves Tues.
Chest/Triceps Wed.
Take your pic.
No homo...haha
you hit it twice a week? ???
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LOL, thanks, that's all we needed for confirmation.
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if that's considered "jacked" i must have good genetics... ;D
As jacked as a newborn kitten
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If you're gonna lift naturally it's best to just lift hard a few times a week, eat a normal 3 meals per day and that's it.
If you decide to go the extra mile and eat 8 times a day, lift 6x per week, sleep 10 hours per day, eat tons of protien, etc. It's only make like an extra 10% of difference. Is it worth it to bust your ass for an extra 10%?
On top of that, if you go on a vacation for a month or get sick, you'll lose a lot of your gains and it'll take a couple months to get it all back.
Bodybuilding = steroids
i was with you until the line about losing your gains after a month off...ridiculous.
lots of good buffed and impressive physiques out there on guys that train a few times a week and hold down a job, watch what they eat and live healthy...
surely you know some?...i mean, people who have trained for 10-20 years..?
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SICK PIC! Props'
Outed!
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If you're gonna lift naturally it's best to just lift hard a few times a week, eat a normal 3 meals per day and that's it.
If you decide to go the extra mile and eat 8 times a day, lift 6x per week, sleep 10 hours per day, eat tons of protien, etc. It's only make like an extra 10% of difference. Is it worth it to bust your ass for an extra 10%?
On top of that, if you go on a vacation for a month or get sick, you'll lose a lot of your gains and it'll take a couple months to get it all back.
Bodybuilding = steroids
Hardly!!
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I agree with you on this. I remeber being 18 thinking I could get huge if I ate a couple more times a day and worked my freaken ass off. When I was 21 I blew up from 185 pound to 205 with 1 amp a week of hg sustanon. It was amazing!
You don't need 'roids to do that!!!
I put on about that much back in '96 (from 189 to 210) in college. NO STEROIDS NECESSARY!! Heck, all I could afford (outside of regular food) was weight-gainer and protein powder (Mega Mass 2000 and Challenge Milk and Egg Protein powder, respectively).
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Good post but natty BB is hardly a joke.
It is a matter of degrees and who actually follows the official written rules.
The IFBB doesn't enforce the 48 pgs of drug testing and banned substances they have on the books.
WE all know what really goes on and who cares, is my opinion at this point.
BB done without extreme drug use is a very healthy lifestyle.
With a buttload of grey area , legal stuff it is near impossible to say exactly when natty ends and drugged begins.
If you are healthy and happy with your gains that is all that really matters unlress you are a pro.
Good point!! At one time, DHEA was considered a illegal steroid. Now, you can get it at Wal-Mart for less than $5.
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Well I think weight lifting naturally to be "in shape" is alright.
But trying to "bodybuild" naturally is retarded. When you are lifting hard naturally you just peak out after a couple years and that's it, nothing more you can do but maintain it.
Says who! I'm stronger and bigger at 37 than I was at 27 (or even at 21). Weights I could barely budge on the bench press, I typically do on the inclines.
I don't know where you're getting your information. But, may I suggest a new source. Claiming that natural bodybuilders peak after just 2 years is patently absurd.
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I`d like to see what some consider training hard...........not powerwise but intensity of effort.
I bury most I`ve met even at 55 years old.
Only the mind can limit you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I`d like to see what some consider training hard...........not powerwise but intensity of effort.
I bury most I`ve met even at 55 years old.
Only the mind can limit you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wrong ,,the lack of hgh can limit you ,,and even if you HAVE hgh the lack of time on it can limit you ,,meaning in 10 days you still wont have those huge wide round delts you had last round you used it ,,,youll have to wait a month or 2 to get there...
so you see mind means shit! only thing that matters in bodybuildihng is the drugs,,then lifting ofcourse,,and then you can stuf in you what ever the fuck you want as logn as you stand in good ratio of protien to carbs with over all low fat,,very simple but def has nothing to do with the mind
now the fellas who say mind mind mind are bunch of liars ,,they need their hands to be cut and prohibit them from ever getting into another competition again
gh15 approved
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Well if natural bodybuilding is a joke, then bodydoping is a magic show. In other words, its all fake. Smoke and mirrors. If you pay attention to whats behind the curtain the truth is there. Strip off the phony tinsel of Weider World and you'll find the real tinsel underneath.
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Well if natural bodybuilding is a joke, then bodydoping is a magic show. In other words, its all fake. Smoke and mirrors. If you pay attention to whats behind the curtain the truth is there. Strip off the phony tinsel of Weider World and you'll find the real tinsel underneath.
This has all been discussed so many times.... g4p, milking the competitors to get rich, bla bla bla....
I think what we can agree on is that natural bodybuilding for recreational purposes will give good results, results that the average person will think of as huge, but competitive BB is all about drugs, gays, freaks and money for Weider.
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good one gimmick
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You don't need 'roids to do that!!!
I put on about that much back in '96 (from 189 to 210) in college. NO STEROIDS NECESSARY!! Heck, all I could afford (outside of regular food) was weight-gainer and protein powder (Mega Mass 2000 and Challenge Milk and Egg Protein powder, respectively).
knock it off. i put on 8 lbs this weekend, and it was all gone by tuesday morning.
i think he meant muscle.
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wrong ,,the lack of hgh can limit you ,,and even if you HAVE hgh the lack of time on it can limit you ,,meaning in 10 days you still wont have those huge wide round delts you had last round you used it ,,,youll have to wait a month or 2 to get there...
so you see mind means shit! only thing that matters in bodybuildihng is the drugs,,then lifting ofcourse,,and then you can stuf in you what ever the fuck you want as logn as you stand in good ratio of protien to carbs with over all low fat,,very simple but def has nothing to do with the mind
now the fellas who say mind mind mind are bunch of liars ,,they need their hands to be cut and prohibit them from ever getting into another competition again
gh15 approved
;D
and i think the rest i spot on too
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Says who! I'm stronger and bigger at 37 than I was at 27 (or even at 21). Weights I could barely budge on the bench press, I typically do on the inclines.
I don't know where you're getting your information. But, may I suggest a new source. Claiming that natural bodybuilders peak after just 2 years is patently absurd.
But you have Jesus divinely intervening on your behalf...
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if your training full out, eating propperly and getting propper rest you will max out natural limit in 2yrs easy... you wont gain more than half an inch anywhere in the next 10 to 20yrs,,, you might lift a little heavier and become more solid with better lines and definition, but forgett owt else...
you will most prob max out your steroid gains in under 2 yrs too, then youl need to go mega dose route with hgh and slin to push it even further...
this is just how it is..... full stop!
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if your training full out, eating propperly and getting propper rest you will max out natural limit in 2yrs easy... you wont gain more than half an inch anywhere in the next 10 to 20yrs,,, you might lift a little heavier and become more solid with better lines and definition, but forgett owt else...
you will most prob max out your steroid gains in under 2 yrs too, then youl need to go mega dose route with hgh and slin to push it even further...
this is just how it is..... full stop!
You must be a member of THG
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Natural bodybuilding at it's zenith requires very good genetics, a lot of hardwork and a lot of patience.
Which rules out about 99.9% of the population.
A great natural physique is extremely rare, for the above reasons and also because everyone and their grandmother starts juicing as soon as they first walk in to a gym nowadays.
To the above post. It takes longer than two years to max out lol and then you would be looking at improvements in density and hardness that although in very small increments are still taking place.
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You must be a member of THG
i got a good natural base before i went on the juice, just telling the actual truth,,, you lot are deluded
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i got a good natural base before i went on the juice, just telling the actual truth,,, you lot are deluded
How long have you worked on your "natural base"?
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5 yr,,,, once you can deadlift over 4 plates, bench over 3 you may as well go that step higher.. i was 260 plus, hardly ripped tho
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competed 225 at 6'1 a few yrs later,,, on and off last decade...
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i got a good natural base before i went on the juice, just telling the actual truth,,, you lot are deluded
I started lifting when I was 12 and kept going all the way until 2007, when I was 31. I took a couple of years off here and there, but never stopped gaining mass or strength all that time. I actually went through a growth spurt from 2005 - 2007, when I paid serious attention to my diet - put on about 22lb (not all of it muscle, of course) and increased my arms alone by over an inch and a half.
That was 15 something years after I started lifting, so I do know what I'm talking about. Never tried even PH, let alone steroids or anything else. I do respond very well to training, though, and work my butt off when I lift.
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I started lifting when I was 12 and kept going all the way until 2007, when I was 31. I took a couple of years off here and there, but never stopped gaining mass or strength all that time. I actually went through a growth spurt from 2005 - 2007, when I paid serious attention to my diet - put on about 22lb (not all of it muscle, of course) and increased my arms alone by over an inch and a half.
That was 15 something years after I started lifting, so I do know what I'm talking about. Never tried even PH, let alone steroids or anything else. I do respond very well to training, though, and work my butt off when I lift.
You=TEG
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I started lifting when I was 12 and kept going all the way until 2007, when I was 31. I took a couple of years off here and there, but never stopped gaining mass or strength all that time. I actually went through a growth spurt from 2005 - 2007, when I paid serious attention to my diet - put on about 22lb (not all of it muscle, of course) and increased my arms alone by over an inch and a half.
That was 15 something years after I started lifting, so I do know what I'm talking about. Never tried even PH, let alone steroids or anything else. I do respond very well to training, though, and work my butt off when I lift.
lol,,15 years after starting lifting to increase arms by 1.5 inches and for it not to be water bloat from hormones or pure fat is not possible for a human being,,no one has ever done it and when they do they will be on a magazine of their choice including entering and winning the natural shows,,oh wait they already do !
comon,,naturals are lucky to gain 5-7 lb a year in the first few years ,,then it completely comesd to an halt,,there is no gain past the 4-5 year naturally ,,absolutely no gains,,
now yes if you do designer steroids which are steroids ,,and if you do some peptides,,and if you do aas and research products all of that can change the picture,,
so yes you can increase arm size by 1.5 inches after 15 years training btu you need to remind the fellas that you are on halodrol you get on internet or on supplemtn store which is practically turinabol and yes it will add those 10 lb and 1 inch on arms if you are not a serious user
the human body is just not possible to gain what you say UNLESS it is total majority fat and you will see it mainly in waist and softness out of this worls,,
anynone can go up to 200lb from 170 and hav 25% bodyfat naturally but those same fellas do not look or resemble bodybuilder by any mean ,,they resemble a pancake or a blow fish much more,,they are F A T
gh15 approved
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lol,,15 years after starting lifting to increase arms by 1.5 inches and for it not to be water bloat from hormones or pure fat is not possible for a human being,,no one has ever done it and when they do they will be on a magazine of their choice including entering and winning the natural shows,,oh wait they already do !
comon,,naturals are lucky to gain 5-7 lb a year in the first few years ,,then it completely comesd to an halt,,there is no gain past the 4-5 year naturally ,,absolutely no gains,,
now yes if you do designer steroids which are steroids ,,and if you do some peptides,,and if you do aas and research products all of that can change the picture,,
so yes you can increase arm size by .5 inches after 15 years training btu you need to remind the fellas that you are on halodrol you get on internet or on supplemtn store which is practically turinabol and yes it will add those 10 lb and 1 inch on arms if you are not a serious user
the human body is just not possible to gain what you say UNLESS it is total majority fat and you will see it mainly in waist and softness out of this worls,,
anynone can go up to 200lb from 170 and hav 25% bodyfat naturally but those same fellas do not look or resemble bodybuilder by any mean ,,they resemble a pancake or a blow fish much more,,they are F A T
gh15 approved
I never got under 15% body fat, but never over 18 - 20% either. You could see an outline of my top 4 abs, but I was leaner in my arms and upper body. You are dead wrong about how much a natural can gain, sorry, although it might be right for the majority with poor genetics. You've never trained natural for over 10 - 15 years nor do you know anyone (by your own admission), so you aren't the most qualified person to say what is possible.
And you yourself have declared I am natural ;)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=273316.msg3849519#msg3849519
so don't go back on it now - not that it matters either way.
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lol,,15 years after starting lifting to increase arms by 1.5 inches and for it not to be water bloat from hormones or pure fat is not possible for a human being,,no one has ever done it and when they do they will be on a magazine of their choice including entering and winning the natural shows,,oh wait they already do !
comon,,naturals are lucky to gain 5-7 lb a year in the first few years ,,then it completely comesd to an halt,,there is no gain past the 4-5 year naturally ,,absolutely no gains,,
now yes if you do designer steroids which are steroids ,,and if you do some peptides,,and if you do aas and research products all of that can change the picture,,
so yes you can increase arm size by 1.5 inches after 15 years training btu you need to remind the fellas that you are on halodrol you get on internet or on supplemtn store which is practically turinabol and yes it will add those 10 lb and 1 inch on arms if you are not a serious user
the human body is just not possible to gain what you say UNLESS it is total majority fat and you will see it mainly in waist and softness out of this worls,,
anynone can go up to 200lb from 170 and hav 25% bodyfat naturally but those same fellas do not look or resemble bodybuilder by any mean ,,they resemble a pancake or a blow fish much more,,they are F A T
gh15 approved
This has been exactly my experience. I have gotten stronger but not put on more mass.
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You=TEG pathological liar
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Du bist ein lustiger Kerl, das muss ich wohl einraeumen... ;D
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You must work for the IOC with such a rare skill as that - being able to see who is lying about what from behind your computer ;D
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You must work for the IOC with such a rare skill as that - being able to see who is lying about what from behind your computer ;D
Affeman's job is working as a human lie detector for Europe's largest company...
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This has been exactly my experience. I have gotten stronger but not put on more mass.
You might not make any huge weight jumps anymore, but still you'll improve. After 10 years of intense training you'll look different than after 5 years, and after 15 years you'll look different than after 10 years, period.
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You must work for the IOC with such a rare skill as that - being able to see who is lying about what from behind your computer ;D
I got a free bullshit detecting tool on my HD ;)
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You might not make any huge weight jumps anymore, but still you'll improve. After 10 years of intense training you'll look different than after 5 years, and after 15 years you'll look different than after 10 years, period.
Yeah, but the older you get the less it becomes. I have no delusions about that...I just lift these days because it's something I do; I don't have any lofty goals or anything, just going for the health look.
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I never got under 15% body fat, but never over 18 - 20% either. You could see an outline of my top 4 abs, but I was leaner in my arms and upper body. You are dead wrong about how much a natural can gain, sorry, although it might be right for the majority with poor genetics. You've never trained natural for over 10 - 15 years nor do you know anyone (by your own admission), so you aren't the most qualified person to say what is possible.
And you yourself have declared I am natural ;)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=273316.msg3849519#msg3849519
so don't go back on it now - not that it matters either way.
GH15 knows fuck all about natural training. The only experience he has when it comes to training is training with drugs. All theorycraft.
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Affeman's job is working as a human lie detector for Europe's largest company...
Hopefully, he does a better job at work than he just did here ;D
I got a free bullshit detecting tool on my HD ;)
It's broken, although I'm sure you're right about the "bullshit" part ;)
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GH15 knows fuck all about natural training. The only experience he has when it comes to training is training with drugs. All theorycraft.
Yep. He's like Sevastase and a couple of others - won't even admit the possibility that there are people out there in other countries / cultures who might actually lift without having taken any steroids or hormones, so it's useless to argue. A mind closed to facts and which twists facts to suit his theory, rather than twist the theory to suit the facts.
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Yep. He's like Sevastase and a couple of others - won't even admit the possibility that there are people out there in other countries / cultures who might actually lift without having taken any steroids or hormones, so it's useless to argue. A mind closed to facts and which twists facts to suit his theory, rather than twist the theory to suit the facts.
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That's why I keep on lifting 4x per week. It makes me feel great and I love doing it.
The gains to my physique though. I think i've peaked out. And no matter how much I slam away on the weights or what I eat I just stay at this peak.
There is a difference between "weight lifting" and "bodybuilding". Bodybuilding suggests that you are changin your body and building it up. Weightlifting is just lifting iron for health, fun, or whatever. I feel like i'm just weight lifting now.
I've stopped stuffing myself with protien and lots of food for the past 6 months and I havn't lost any strength or size.
I think a lot of the basic principles about natural bodybuilding are false. Driven by money and the fitness industry.
Agreed..if you are natural you don't really need a lot of shit to grow.....too much protein and creatine aren't going to help you much.....yes you will get harder and a lot stronger but your body won't change much....maybe you'll get bigger and people will notice that, but you won't make any drastic changes in appearance....I am strong as fuck and people notice that I am bigger....even strangers will say hello to me by saying "whats up big man"?....but I still have a flabby chest and stomach..it won't go away entirely
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I have to agree with gh15..from my experience and talking to people who know more than me...basically you will gain like 80-90% of your natural capacity in the first few years of training as long your eating enough and your training isn't completely retarded. you can continue to improve for many years but it will be very slow gains (and not much at all in terms of lbs of muscle and alot of it will be muscle density.
i don't see how anyone can gain 1.5 inch on their arms after 15 years....i never heard of such a thing unless it's mostly fat.
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I never got under 15% body fat, but never over 18 - 20% either. You could see an outline of my top 4 abs, but I was leaner in my arms and upper body. You are dead wrong about how much a natural can gain, sorry, although it might be right for the majority with poor genetics. You've never trained natural for over 10 - 15 years nor do you know anyone (by your own admission), so you aren't the most qualified person to say what is possible.
And you yourself have declared I am natural ;)
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=273316.msg3849519#msg3849519
so don't go back on it now - not that it matters either way.
i suspect you are understimating your BF%. i think alot of people do that...they want to believe that it's all muscle.
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I have to agree with gh15..from my experience and talking to people who know more than me...basically you will gain like 80-90% of your natural capacity in the first few years of training as long your eating enough and your training isn't completely retarded. you can continue to improve for many years but it will be very slow gains (and not much at all in terms of lbs of muscle and alot of it will be muscle density.
i don't see how anyone can gain 1.5 inch on their arms after 15 years....i never heard of such a thing unless it's mostly fat.
they mistaken true lesan size with water and fat which are part of the muscle diameter,,1.5 inch on arm is unheard of naturally ,,truly naturally after 15 years training ,,hell not even after 15 months lol
its just a pump,,and sometimes 1/2 inch here and there of water fat and little muscle blown from within ,,but it goes as fast as it comes,,
by the way hormones are same thing,,goes as fast as it comes,,
6-12 months you lose everything no matter who you are if not on hormones and not in the gym
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GH15 knows fuck all about natural training. The only experience he has when it comes to training is training with drugs. All theorycraft.
Yep.
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i suspect you are understimating your BF%. i think alot of people do that...they want to believe that it's all muscle.
i suspect you are understimating reality. i think alot of people do that...they want to believe that it's boundaries lie exactly where they predict or dictate ;)
Seriously, you are right about the BF estimation, but I have had it measured a couple of times (skin fold) and have never been over 19%, although never less than 15% either, lol.
If you make up your mind about something without knowing all the facts involved or by extrapolating the pattern seen in one particular group (like gh15 does), then you aren't going to accept what I say, no matter what.
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lol,,15 years after starting lifting to increase arms by 1.5 inches and for it not to be water bloat from hormones or pure fat is not possible for a human being,,no one has ever done it and when they do they will be on a magazine of their choice including entering and winning the natural shows,,oh wait they already do !
comon,,naturals are lucky to gain 5-7 lb a year in the first few years ,,then it completely comesd to an halt,,there is no gain past the 4-5 year naturally ,,absolutely no gains,,
now yes if you do designer steroids which are steroids ,,and if you do some peptides,,and if you do aas and research products all of that can change the picture,,
so yes you can increase arm size by 1.5 inches after 15 years training btu you need to remind the fellas that you are on halodrol you get on internet or on supplemtn store which is practically turinabol and yes it will add those 10 lb and 1 inch on arms if you are not a serious user
the human body is just not possible to gain what you say UNLESS it is total majority fat and you will see it mainly in waist and softness out of this worls,,
anynone can go up to 200lb from 170 and hav 25% bodyfat naturally but those same fellas do not look or resemble bodybuilder by any mean ,,they resemble a pancake or a blow fish much more,,they are F A T
gh15 approved
How are you so sure here? Pretty much all your gains are from drugs, correct?
Putting on more than 5-7lbs of muscle a year naturally, is very difficult. If not impossible, to my experience. However, making a substantial muscle gain the first few years with a sound diet, it very probable. After that big increase in mass, you should only see a few pounds lean gain per year...for me anyway.
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How are you so sure here? Pretty much all your gains are from drugs, correct?
Putting on more than 5-7lbs of muscle a year naturally, is very difficult. If not impossible, to my experience. However, making a substantial muscle gain the first few years with a sound diet, it very probable. After that big increase in mass, you should only see a few pounds lean gain per year...for me anyway.
I think naturals also don't aim to be 240lbs ripped, that would be ridiculous.
So the gains you can make as a natural are quite ok, sure it takes more time than with drugs, but natural gains also don't vanish over night like steroid gains.
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they mistaken true lesan size with water and fat which are part of the muscle diameter,,1.5 inch on arm is unheard of naturally ,,truly naturally after 15 years training ,,hell not even after 15 months lol
its just a pump,,and sometimes 1/2 inch here and there of water fat and little muscle blown from within ,,but it goes as fast as it comes,,
by the way hormones are same thing,,goes as fast as it comes,,
6-12 months you lose everything no matter who you are if not on hormones and not in the gym
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Not after fifteen months? Just shut up you fucking imbecile. 6-12 months you lose everything? You are such a dumb fucking girl it is unreal.
My 60 year old father has been through periods of months and months without training and his diet is shit and he has maintained. I wouln't even say he has great genetics, he is a natural ecto as well, which makes your uninformed ballshit even more funny.
You know nothing about natural training, you probably went on the juice the first time you ever went in a gym. You cry about anyone with a decent physique who claims natty, because you didn't have the genetics to do anything natural.
Stop comenting on an aspect of training that you have no concept of, stick to talking about drugs... :-*
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Not after fifteen months? Just shut up you fucking imbecile. 6-12 months you lose everything? You are such a dumb fucking #girl it is unreal.
My 60 year old father has been through periods of months and months without training and his diet is shit and he has maintained. I wouln't even say he has great genetics, he is a natural ecto as well, which makes your uninformed ballshit even more funny.
You know nothing about natural training, you probably went on the juice the first time you ever went in a gym. You cry about anyone with a decent physique who claims natty, because you didn't have the genetics to do anything natural.
Stop comenting on an aspect of training that you have no concept of, stick to talking about drugs... :-*
Ouch ;D ;D
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knock it off. i put on 8 lbs this weekend, and it was all gone by tuesday morning.
i think he meant muscle.
21 lbs in three months, especially in your younger years, is definitely possible. I'd say that about 60% of what I gained was muscle (roughly 13 lbs), back then. And that was at age 22, just a year older than Makaveli was. Trust me! NOBODY thought I was fat in the least. Truth be told, some of my friends thought I was taking anabolics, when I came home for the summer.
Almost NOBODY puts on pure muscle, on a consistent basis. Why do you think bodybuilders have an "off-season"? Even if they use steroids, they still put on some muscle and some fat.
The problem with folks like you is that you think you're going to put on just lean muscle, all the time. That ain't happening.
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But you have Jesus divinely intervening on your behalf...
It appears you forgot the 11th commandment: Thou shalt eat massive calories and and drink much weight gainer to gain size.
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Not after fifteen months? Just shut up you fucking imbecile. 6-12 months you lose everything? You are such a dumb fucking #girl it is unreal.
My 60 year old father has been through periods of months and months without training and his diet is shit and he has maintained. I wouln't even say he has great genetics, he is a natural ecto as well, which makes your uninformed ballshit even more funny.
You know nothing about natural training, you probably went on the juice the first time you ever went in a gym. You cry about anyone with a decent physique who claims natty, because you didn't have the genetics to do anything natural.
Stop comenting on an aspect of training that you have no concept of, stick to talking about drugs... :-*
retard,,read the bible ,,i hav egiven you here bible in the last 6 years that every bodybuilder has read so every new fucktard should nto even refer to me until they read it,,now i did train naturally for 4 years before went on hormones ,,but since my second competition till i got pro card till today waas one big cycle LIKE EVERY OTHER BODYBUILDER!
your 60 year old daddy keep on nothing he keep on original shape that natural can have if train which also unkeepable if nto training and at age 60 even if training is doutbtful,,because at age 60 your life start fallin apart physically and EVERY HUMAN IS THIS WAY!,,look the fuck around you 90% of yoru americanos are on viagra and cialis at those ages and way before how sad it is?? do you see it in other countries?? onlyh in americana at age 60 you cant even lift your cock because of the abuse of drugs that go on your life all through your 20s 30s 40s etc,,
you know nothing ,,you have no clue to how much of a lair the so called natural bodybuilder is ,,you have no clue to how much they buy and that they actually buy more than the admitted hormonized but only respond worse ,,
i love it when natural get busted and they do ,,you just never hear about it because they were nothing to write home about but oh they been busted
now go back to yoru cats,,
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21 lbs in three months, especially in your younger years, is definitely possible. I'd say that about 60% of what I gained was muscle (roughly 13 lbs), back then. And that was at age 22, just a year older than Makaveli was. Trust me! NOBODY thought I was fat in the least. Truth be told, some of my friends thought I was taking anabolics, when I came home for the summer.
Almost NOBODY puts on pure muscle, on a consistent basis. Why do you think bodybuilders have an "off-season"? Even if they use steroids, they still put on some muscle and some fat.
The problem with folks like you is that you think you're going to put on just lean muscle, all the time. That ain't happening.
20 pound in 3 months? lol 16 out of them of lard ,,we all been through this 175 up to 205 of pure lard going up from 32 inch waist to 38 inch waist walking around with imaginary lat syndrom,,we all been there when young my friend,,
if you looked like anything even remotely rsembling bodybuilder you were J U I C E D ,,then again back in 2000 every one was because it was all over the counter in many forms ,there is a reason now days you dont see as many bigt muscular guys ,,its because WE TOOK IT AWAY FROM YOU FELLAS ,,now you need a good source to get anywhere : )
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20 pound in 3 months? lol 16 out of them of lard ,,we all been through this 175 up to 205 of pure lard going up from 32 inch waist to 38 inch waist walking around with imaginary lat syndrom,,we all been there when young my friend,,
if you looked like anything even remotely rsembling bodybuilder you were J U I C E D ,,then again back in 2000 every one was because it was all over the counter in many forms ,there is a reason now days you dont see as many bigt muscular guys ,,its because WE TOOK IT AWAY FROM YOU FELLAS ,,now you need a good source to get anywhere : )
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I agree with you for once. 21lbs of lean muscle in 3 months? Not happening naturally.
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Unless you have incredible genetic shape,
most guys look like garbage unless they're lean.
I mean, would anyone want to look like the following guys?
Bloated, red faces, not a vein in sight, no thanks.
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20 pound in 3 months? lol 16 out of them of lard ,,we all been through this 175 up to 205 of pure lard going up from 32 inch waist to 38 inch waist walking around with imaginary lat syndrom,,we all been there when young my friend,,
if you looked like anything even remotely rsembling bodybuilder you were J U I C E D ,,then again back in 2000 every one was because it was all over the counter in many forms ,there is a reason now days you dont see as many bigt muscular guys ,,its because WE TOOK IT AWAY FROM YOU FELLAS ,,now you need a good source to get anywhere : )
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You, Mr. Identity Crisis (Have you decided yet, if you're a top-10 male of FEMALE IFBB pro bodybuilder, yet?), haven't taken anything from me or anyone else, for that matter.
Plus, it appears you can't read. I never claimed I put on 21 pounds of lean muscle in three months. My guess was that about 60% of my gains were lean mass, hardly 16 lbs of "pure lard".
I agree with you for once. 21lbs of lean muscle in 3 months? Not happening naturally.
Once again, I NEVER CLAIMED I put on 21 lbs of lean muscle in three months. In fact, I've stated repeatedly that, when you're going for size, usually about half of what you put on will be fat.
But, in the grand scheme of things, if you need raw size, it works out quite well. The reason most people whine about not making any substantial gains is because they think every pound they gain has to be pure muscle. That is almost impossible, EVEN IF YOU DO TAKE STEROIDS.
Bottom line: I don't whine about my genetics, or listen to buffoons like GH15. I simply do the best I can with what I have. So far, the results have been better than I could have hoped, back in the day.
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Bottom line: I don't whine about my genetics, or listen to buffoons like GH15. I simply do the best I can with what I have. So far, the results have been better than I could have hoped, back in the day.
Same here.
I added almost 40lbs one winter during a bulking phase, which I no longer do btw. It was the only time in my life I was over 200lbs and I looked and felt bloody horrible.
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Same here.
I added almost 40lbs one winter during a bulking phase, which I no longer do btw. It was the only time in my life I was over 200lbs and I looked and felt bloody horrible.
lol thats what macfly here dont get,,yes you can add even 50 pounds ,,some guys can do it ,,but its not muscle,,maybe 10% of it is muscle 15% if your natural gh and test is really high and it only happen at 18-22,,
what mcfly really gained was about 17 pounds of lard and 4 pounds of muscle blown from within which at this age is respectable and while some guys at this age gain 2 pound he probably gain 4-5 pound in 3-4 months and thought he was a bodybuilder lol
N A T U R A L limit = 7 pound per yer PER YER PER YEAR and also only first few years,,ask skippi or even better ask willet ;)
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Same here.
I added almost 40lbs one winter during a bulking phase, which I no longer do btw. It was the only time in my life I was over 200lbs and I looked and felt bloody horrible.
I certainly don't miss the volume of food I had to eat, to get over 200 lbs, back then. Eating/drinking 5000+ calories gets laborious quickly.
But, my goal was to get to 200. Since I got there ahead of schedule, I decided to see if I could put on a few more pounds. I ended up at 210, by semester's end.
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lol thats what macfly here dont get,,yes you can add even 50 pounds ,,some guys can do it ,,but its not muscle,,maybe 10% of it is muscle 15% if your natural gh and test is really high and it only happen at 18-22,,
what mcfly really gained was about 17 pounds of lard and 4 pounds of muscle blown from within which at this age is respectable and while some guys at this age gain 2 pound he probably gain 4-5 pound in 3-4 months and thought he was a bodybuilder lol
N A T U R A L limit = 7 pound per yer PER YER PER YEAR and also only first few years,,ask skippi or even better ask willet ;)
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17 lbs. of lard and 4 pounds of muscle? I don't think so. Even the guys who trained at the same gym were complimenting me for how much larger and stronger I was getting. And, when I got home that summer, my friends and family were surprised.
The choice is simple: You can either go for it, get your diet and training down and push yourself. Or you can listen to Mr. Identity Crisis as he/she decides which gender of a bodybuilder he/she wants to be today (while he fails to use his Speak-and-Spell properly) and feel sorry for yourself.
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retard,,read the bible ,,i hav egiven you here bible in the last 6 years that every bodybuilder has read so every new fucktard should nto even refer to me until they read it,,now i did train naturally for 4 years before went on hormones ,,but since my second competition till i got pro card till today waas one big cycle LIKE EVERY OTHER BODYBUILDER!
your 60 year old daddy keep on nothing he keep on original shape that natural can have if train which also unkeepable if nto training and at age 60 even if training is doutbtful,,because at age 60 your life start fallin apart physically and EVERY HUMAN IS THIS WAY!,,look the fuck around you 90% of yoru americanos are on viagra and cialis at those ages and way before how sad it is?? do you see it in other countries?? onlyh in americana at age 60 you cant even lift your cock because of the abuse of drugs that go on your life all through your 20s 30s 40s etc,,
you know nothing ,,you have no clue to how much of a lair the so called natural bodybuilder is ,,you have no clue to how much they buy and that they actually buy more than the admitted hormonized but only respond worse ,,
i love it when natural get busted and they do ,,you just never hear about it because they were nothing to write home about but oh they been busted
now go back to yoru cats,,
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You don't know anything about natural training. You don't know what the limits are or how the body works in that enviroment.
You are just another loser with shit genetics, whose insecurity issues forced them in to the shitty lifestyle you currently live.
The fact that you say things such as "no gains on arms after 15 months" or "that you lose everything after you stop training for a few months", goes some way to substantiating the fact that you are an imbecile.
Keep crying about the impending apocalypse you mental cripple.
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You don't know anything about natural training. You don't know what the limits are or how the body works in that enviroment.
You are just another loser with shit genetics, whose insecurity issues forced them in to the shitty lifestyle you currently live.
The fact that you say things such as "no gains on arms after 15 months" or "that you lose everything after you stop training for a few months", goes some way to substantiating the fact that you are an imbecile.
Keep crying about the impending apocalypse you mental cripple.
in getbig famous words,,melt down ? lol
lol,,i like him he is a fighter ,,I SAID 1.5 INCH ON ARMS OF LEAN MUSCLE ,,OFCOURSE YOU CAN GAIN ON ARMS AFTER 15 MONTHS OR 15 YEARS ,,NOT 1.5 INCHES OF LEAN MUSCLE LOL you will need good gh and test for that to happen including good anabolics so you dont always look like a bloated fuck
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in getbig famous words,,melt down ? lol
lol,,i like him he is a fighter ,,I SAID 1.5 INCH ON ARMS OF LEAN MUSCLE ,,OFCOURSE YOU CAN GAIN ON ARMS AFTER 15 MONTHS OR 15 YEARS ,,NOT 1.5 INCHES OF LEAN MUSCLE LOL you will need good gh and test for that to happen including good anabolics so you dont always look like a bloated fuck
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Like I said, I have gotten stronger but not bigger...I just accept it, no point in juicing for me.
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in getbig famous words,,melt down ? lol
lol,,i like him he is a fighter ,,I SAID 1.5 INCH ON ARMS OF LEAN MUSCLE ,,OFCOURSE YOU CAN GAIN ON ARMS AFTER 15 MONTHS OR 15 YEARS ,,NOT 1.5 INCHES OF LEAN MUSCLE LOL you will need good gh and test for that to happen including good anabolics so you dont always look like a bloated fuck
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There is something getting lost in translation here. There is no way in hell that you have maxed out after fifteen month in regards to gaining that ammount of lean muscle.
Certain things i agree with you on, such as weight parameters and drug protocalls et cetera but other aspects i completely disagree as i have first hand experience that contradicts your view points.
As i say, perhaps it is a lack of first hand experince on your part. :P You are clearly well informed wehn it comes to drug assisted training. Stick to what you know motherfooker. ;)