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thierry pastel
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first pic (nubret and bannout) is from early 80s (i think) second pic is from late 70s or early 80s. nubret has small joints.
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first pic (nubret and bannout) is from early 80s (i think) second pic is from late 70s or early 80s. nubret has small bones.
Serge said he never weighed over 210lbs @ 6ft tall onstage in his life. He said this on the ironage message boards.
He was just freaky taking that into consideration.
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Serge said he never weighed over 210lbs @ 6ft tall onstage in his life. He said this on the ironage message boards.
He was just freaky taking that into consideration.
yes he had round and full muscle bellies and small joints. amazing bodybuilder. :o
he doesn't have the bloated massive gh and insulin look that so many of todays bodybuilders have.
I read that he was 212-214lbs in stage ready condition for mr olympia in 1975 but he was told he couldn't compete so he got depressed and lost a bunch of weight and then later he was told that he could compete and stepped on stage weighing approx 200lbs. (this was said by serge himself)
the 80s physiques were so crisp and ripped..very inspiring.
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all the sucessful fellas in the early 80 and before hand had very good natural gh in body ,,at max release,,that was major thing in their sucess,,this is also why they quit very young comparing to today ,,because the gh droped and there was no syntetic replacement,,they came back later for one more time usually late 80s or early 90s because they had gh to play with but they were too old inrelashion to younger bodybuilder on gh and steroids,,
gh15 approved
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all the sucessful fellas in the early 80 and before hand had very good natural gh in body ,,at max release,,that was major thing in their sucess,,this is also why they quit very young comparing to today ,,because the gh droped and there was no syntetic replacement,,they came back later for one more time usually late 80s or early 90s because they had gh to play with but they were too old inrelashion to younger bodybuilder on gh and steroids,,
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thank you for your post gh15. I'm a big fan of your posts. ;)
I remember you mentioning that some bodybuilders experimented in 70s and also during the 80s with cadaver GH (from ussr) but it was only very limited experimentation and the foundation was built with AAS and not via AAS + massive gh and insulin use and thus they never outgrew their frames and could also maintain the crisp look.
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foundation built with nothing,,natural,, after that you solidify this foundation for good and advanced level with steroids,,and lastly YOU GROW with hgh,,
3 stages,,
natural training for few years,,
steroids added for thicknening and blowing up to max genetic potential,,
add gh for mutation and surpassing genetic potential so you can look like kid kuklo
the end
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look at how many fibers pastel has in his biceps :o
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foundation built with nothing,,natural,, after that you solidify this foundation for good and advanced level with steroids,,and lastly YOU GROW with hgh,,
3 stages,,
natural training for few years,,
steroids added for thicknening and blowing up to max genetic potential,,
add gh for mutation and surpassing genetic potential so you can look like kid kuklo
the end
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yes exactly. that is what I meant.
insulin is stage 4?
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foundation built with nothing,,natural,, after that you solidify this foundation for good and advanced level with steroids,,and lastly YOU GROW with hgh,,
3 stages,,
natural training for few years,,
steroids added for thicknening and blowing up to max genetic potential,,
add gh for mutation and surpassing genetic potential so you can look like kid kuklo
the end
gh15 approved
kuclo was competing at 220 as a teenager and he probably was not on gh at the time.
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thank you for your post gh15. I'm a big fan of your posts. ;)
I remember you mentioning that some bodybuilders experimented in 70s and also during the 80s with cadaver GH (from ussr) but it was only very limited experimentation and the foundation was built with AAS and not via AAS + massive gh and insulin use and thus they never outgrew their frames and could also maintain the crisp look.
Man, that stuff was some HC. Very expensive. Very rare.
Not saying I've used it, LOL, but I've heard some good ol' stories.
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Nubret had the most desirable physique in history IMO
Labrada, Zane and Ray etc, they're great but kinda short.
Serge had it all. tall, not missing anything. Perfect proportions.
Bob Paris is close in terms of height with a complete physique
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Man, that stuff was some HC. Very expensive. Very rare.
Not saying I've used it, LOL, but I've heard some good ol' stories.
I read chris dickerson tried it and it cause bone growth on him. maybe explains the pointy elbows? but from what I understand pointy elbows can also be caused by calcium deposists?
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Man, that stuff was some HC. Very expensive. Very rare.
Not saying I've used it, LOL, but I've heard some good ol' stories.
please share some stories if you have time and energy to do so! :)
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Nubret had the most desirable physique in history IMO
Labrada, Zane and Ray etc, they're great but kinda short.
Serge had it all. tall, not missing anything. Perfect proportions.
Bob Paris is close in terms of height with a complete physique
yes nubret was simply incredible! that first pic you posted was taken just before the 75 olympia when he was weighing 212-214lbs and was in the shape of his life! before he was told he couldn't compete (he was still later allowed to compete)
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first pic (nubret and bannout) is from early 80s (i think) second pic is from late 70s or early 80s. nubret has small joints.
these physiques were built on aas alone, no GH! cant believe how so many gym rat people jump on GH and pay full street price blowing all their money away and yet they never tried to go over 1g of test before, atleast only to see if they would gain more...pathetic
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these physiques were built on aas alone, no GH! cant believe how so many gym rat people jump on GH and pay full street price blowing all their money away and yet they never tried to go over 1g of test before, atleast only to see if they would gain more...pathetic
yes, things should be done step by step and you don't go to the next step before milking the previous ones.
and from what I understand..if you don't look to compete there is no reason to go further than AAS + low dose of gh. (?)
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One day at Gold's Venice, summer 1994, my friend Rob Mathis walks in with Serge. They were friends and trained together for a few months. I asked Serge, "What on the schedule?'" Serge says. "Today we are going to make arms." Serge always used the word "make" instead of "train".
That's all I have.
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One day at Gold's Venice, summer 1994, my friend Rob Mathis walks in with Serge. They were friends and trained together for a few months. I asked Serge, "What on the schedule?'" Serge says. "Today we are going to make arms." Serge always used the word "make" instead of "train".
That's all I have.
I love stories. thank you ;D
can you tell us about serge's arm making workouts??
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Serge said he never weighed over 210lbs @ 6ft tall onstage in his life. He said this on the ironage message boards.
He was just freaky taking that into consideration.
He said he was well over that prior to the Pumping Iron, there was a pic that was shown...he had a beard.
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kuclo was competing at 220 as a teenager and he probably was not on gh at the time.
kuklo with otu gh = 176 lb on stage not even a lb over,,very average fella,,VERY,,he is ALL GH same as tropopin ALL GH AND SLIN
220 on aas on stage lolkuklo? you out of your mind,,even arnold never made it 220on stage proportionally to height since arnold had 2 inches on him that is 15 lb so arnold was 215 or so on stage proportionaly to heights and kuklo is in the less genetic gifted comparing to arnold if there is a line of genetic gifted arnold and ron are top 2 and kuklo is somewhere at the mid to buttom of the pack
you fellas are nutslol kuklo 220 on roids onlylol i had a good laugh
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Man, that stuff was some HC. Very expensive. Very rare.
Not saying I've used it, LOL, but I've heard some good ol' stories.
yes some bodybuider still prefer it over new generation gh ,,many would pay lot of price for it
gh15 approved
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I read chris dickerson tried it and it cause bone growth on him. maybe explains the pointy elbows? but from what I understand pointy elbows can also be caused by calcium deposists?
pointy elbows caused by high doses of halotestin with esterless testosterone such as suspension,,when mix them too unless on growth hormone ,,your elbows will get dried and look pointier,,prolonged use of gh can contribute but only at higher doses and consistant usage,,not many have the money for that level and the ones who do know how to avoid that look but using the right steroids with it,,
halo at higher doses will get you the pointy elbows
gh15 approved
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yes, things should be done step by step and you don't go to the next step before milking the previous ones.
and from what I understand..if you don't look to compete there is no reason to go further than AAS + low dose of gh. (?)
anyone thatr uses gh at higher does compete unless completely retard because you just know you have what it takes on those doses because you look like advanced bodbuilder,,you want to compete and show what you got otherwise why be 250 at single digit? you can be very large at220- 230 single digit if its for the girls and they usually dont like it ,,they prefer 190 single digit some even 180
gh15 approved
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these physiques were built on aas alone, no GH! cant believe how so many gym rat people jump on GH and pay full street price blowing all their money away and yet they never tried to go over 1g of test before, atleast only to see if they would gain more...pathetic
age dependent,,for 20-30 yes you need to use aas first and try to maximize the result because natural gh is high,, over 30 you become old for bodbuild and your gh production go to shit,,it decrease very fast past 30 and you can work from morning to nightwith heavy anything and it wont help ,,yhoull get stronger,,but not larger,,you wont have the canon ball delts with out gh at this age,, and you better quit than try to look like a bodybuildr with out gh past 33-34,,
even on 3gram testosterona at age 30 plus you wont be able to advance into the large and lean catagory without use of gh,,especially not competetive
gh15 approved
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Wanna build a Nubret like physique? Anadrol and Dbol. Eq, parabolan, deca, winny. Pick an oral and two injects. find out what works best for you. Stay very lean under 8%. lean growth from these compounds will give you best look. Forget slin, test and GH. Walking around at 200 ultra lean and you will look the best that your genetics will allow. Very dense and thick with striations.
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Wanna build a Nubret like physique? Anadrol and Dbol. Eq, parabolan, deca, winny. Pick an oral and two injects. find out what works best for you. Stay very lean under 8%. lean growth from these compounds will give you best look. Forget slin, test and GH. Walking around at 200 ultra lean and you will look the best that your genetics will allow. Very dense and thick with striations.
no test? id think at least 1cc to feel good and fuck your girlfriend lol
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Disgusted,
Are you saying even a smallish GH dosage of 4-6 iu's per day will fuck up this look?
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pointy elbows caused by high doses of halotestin with esterless testosterone such as suspension,,when mix them too unless on growth hormone ,,your elbows will get dried and look pointier,,prolonged use of gh can contribute but only at higher doses and consistant usage,,not many have the money for that level and the ones who do know how to avoid that look but using the right steroids with it,,
halo at higher doses will get you the pointy elbows
gh15 approved
you have amazing knowledge, thank you. very interesting stuff!
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anyone thatr uses gh at higher does compete unless completely retard because you just know you have what it takes on those doses because you look like advanced bodbuilder,,you want to compete and show what you got otherwise why be 250 at single digit? you can be very large at220- 230 single digit if its for the girls and they usually dont like it ,,they prefer 190 single digit some even 180
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fully agreed. many psychos tho ;D
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no test? id think at least 1cc to feel good and fuck your girlfriend lol
If you feel you need it then go for it. I've known plenty of guys who fuk like banshees while on drol. I also know a lot of guys who can't get it up on mega doses of test.
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Wanna build a Nubret like physique? Anadrol and Dbol. Eq, parabolan, deca, winny. Pick an oral and two injects. find out what works best for you. Stay very lean under 8%. lean growth from these compounds will give you best look. Forget slin, test and GH. Walking around at 200 ultra lean and you will look the best that your genetics will allow. Very dense and thick with striations.
thumbs up for the dense look!
that's the look I prefer. tight dense look..year around. not bloated like a balloon.
how dangerous are those compounds?
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Disgusted,
Are you saying even a smallish GH dosage of 4-6 iu's per day will fuck up this look?
Over time and depending on your genetics it may. Why risk it when the formula I gave you is all you will need to look phenomenal.
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Disgusted,
Are you saying even a smallish GH dosage of 4-6 iu's per day will fuck up this look?
4-6 units of legit gh is not so low,,low is 1-2 iu,,you can get very very large and lean on 5 units of gh taken for only 2 months with aas ,,im talking here you go from 210 13% to 240 8% in 2 months,,thst thing alibaba the guro wont tell you because he is like all of those scambags LIAR,,
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If you feel you need it then go for it. I've known plenty of guys who fuk like banshees while on drol. I also know a lot of guys who can't get it up on mega doses of test.
yes! always keep balance of test to estrogen in body for good sex life,,otherwise you fucked too low or too hihg estrogen will fuck your sex life,,
gh15 appoved
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GH15 and Disgusted need their own radio show!!! Where's Carl Lenore when we need him??
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4-6 units of legit gh is not so low,,low is 1-2 iu,,you can get very very large and lean on 5 units of gh taken for only 2 months with aas ,,im talking here you go from 210 13% to 240 8% in 2 months,,thst thing alibaba the guro wont tell you because he is like all of those scambags LIAR,,
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those number i give you is not balonie,,those are REAL NUMBERS,,done by manyu on a regular basis ,,they go from 210 12 percent up to 240 8 percent in matter of 2-3 months,,HUGE ENOROMOUS MUTATION ,,this is basically everything kevin did,,he used it to the best of his advantage
gh15 approved
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yes! always keep balance of test to estrogen in body for good sex life,,otherwise you fucked too low or too hihg estrogen will fuck your sex life,,
gh15 appoved
Was talking to a guy yesterday who's Dr gave him an estrogen shot to balance things out. Thought that was pretty cool that a Dr would do that.
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GH15 and Disgusted need their own radio show!!! Where's Carl Lenore when we need him??
yes. very inspirational posts!!! 8)
with real world knowledge and not just book knowledge
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my theoretical cycle
EQ+WINNY+dbol and then 1-2 iu GH for mini mutation?
good...? bad?
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Over time and depending on your genetics it may. Why risk it when the formula I gave you is all you will need to look phenomenal.
And yes 4 to 6 iu's is a pretty good dose. You gotta realize that Gh15 is telling you what the top guys are doing. Do you really want to look like them?
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my theoretical cycle
EQ+WINNY+dbol and then 1-2 iu GH for mini mutation?
good...? bad?
good cycle, id say do gh at least 4iu per day, add a shot of test if needed, winny you could replace with Tren or even masteron to look more dry and hard, EQ is very good especially at high dose ;)
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my theoretical cycle
EQ+WINNY+dbol and then 1-2 iu GH for mini mutation?
good...? bad?
Yeah not bad and yes you could replace the winny with tren or mast if your joints get too dry.
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And yes 4 to 6 iu's is a pretty good dose. You gotta realize that Gh15 is telling you what the top guys are doing. Do you really want to look like them?
no!! just big enough for the ladies and be ripped and tight :D
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Yeah not bad and yes you could replace the winny with tren or mast if your joints get too dry.
thank you. never done a cycle (scared) but researching alot lately!
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thank you. never done a cycle (scared) but researching alot lately!
No prob. :)
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Wanna build a Nubret like physique? Anadrol and Dbol. Eq, parabolan, deca, winny. Pick an oral and two injects. find out what works best for you. Stay very lean under 8%. lean growth from these compounds will give you best look. Forget slin, test and GH. Walking around at 200 ultra lean and you will look the best that your genetics will allow. Very dense and thick with striations.
some good advice. I think it was musclemcmannus who I talked to about this and how guys in the older erea were not fans of test. TRuth be told most gym rats who rely on an Assload of test are bloated mess and have shit physiques.
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how do you know if you should include test in a cycle? is it if the cock isn't working? test can give you the bloated look right? I think it looks ugly as hell. the bloat scares me. ;D I'm a pussy I know.
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how do you know if you should include test in a cycle? is it if the cock isn't working? test can give you the bloated look right? I think it looks ugly as hell. the bloat scares me. ;D I'm a pussy I know.
1cc of Test per week will not give you a bloated look, try to always use Human Grade Test like Schering,Organon,Geofman,ICN etc
Yes if your dick aint getting up you might want a shot of Test per week to even out your Test/Estrogen levels, like gh15 and Disgusted both said you need balanced Test/Estrogen levels for good sex life, some guys are ok with no Test in their cycle while other guys need it, just find out whats good for you ;)
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how do you know if you should include test in a cycle? is it if the cock isn't working? test can give you the bloated look right? I think it looks ugly as hell. the bloat scares me. ;D I'm a pussy I know.
Basically yes, but I have known guys who have never had a problem getting it up and didn't use test or stayed on deca a long time. I think that the AE's do a lot to kill one's sex drive. Also, I think that taking a lot of test like a gram or more can give you problems too. Finasteride will also kill your sex drive.
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1cc of Test per week will not give you a bloated look, try to always use Human Grade Test like Schering,Organon,Geofman,ICN etc
Yes if your dick aint getting up you might want a shot of Test per week to even out your Test/Estrogen levels, like gh15 and Disgusted both said you need balanced Test/Estrogen levels for good sex life, some guys are ok with no Test in their cycle while other guys need it, just find out whats good for you ;)
thank you..like I said im still researching and there is ALOT i don't understand. but I will remember the test/estrogen ratio thing.
is the risk of messing up test production in the long run bigger when you do cycles without injected test as a part of the cycle?
I'm also afraid that I end up having to take a bunch of different things. ;D
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Basically yes, but I have known guys who have never had a problem getting it up and didn't use test or stayed on deca a long time. I think that the AE's do a lot to kill one's sex drive. Also, I think that taking a lot of test like a gram or more can give you problems too. Finasteride will also kill your sex drive.
thanks will keep that in mind. AE = anti estrogens?
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thanks will keep that in mind. AE = anti estrogens?
Yes
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thank you..like I said im still researching and there is ALOT i don't understand. but I will remember the test/estrogen ratio thing.
is the risk of messing up test production in the long run bigger when you do cycles without injected test as a part of the cycle?
I'm also afraid that I end up having to take a bunch of different things. ;D
its going to take you a while to find out what your body responds best to.
disgusted is closest with his advise. some guys respond better to androgens (like testosterone) than others. some guys prefer less test and more compounds like winny or tren etc.
it'll take you years before you get to the point of knowing what compounds your body will respond best to. if someone tells me that everyone responds the same to all compounds they are clueless. so, eventually if you really want to get right down to it, and prefect what it is you need to take to get the results you want, you prolly will have to try to experiment a little.
and schmoe buster- you cant say he wont bloat on 1 gram of test- how do you know? i got edema on 600 mg of Dispert cyp a week. thats not just simply facial bloat and a puffy look- thats pitting at the ankles. i can run 2000mg of karachi a week and not get that. his body will respond to different tests and esters differently that yours or the next guys.
all that being said, you dont need a lot of gear to build a great physique like the old timers, just time, dedication, discipline, and good genetics.
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Was talking to a guy yesterday who's Dr gave him an estrogen shot to balance things out. Thought that was pretty cool that a Dr would do that.
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Wanna build a Nubret like physique? Anadrol and Dbol. Eq, parabolan, deca, winny. Pick an oral and two injects. find out what works best for you. Stay very lean under 8%. lean growth from these compounds will give you best look. Forget slin, test and GH. Walking around at 200 ultra lean and you will look the best that your genetics will allow. Very dense and thick with striations.
This! QFT! and X2 all in one!
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and schmoe buster- you cant say he wont bloat on 1 gram of test- how do you know? i got edema on 600 mg of Dispert cyp a week. thats not just simply facial bloat and a puffy look- thats pitting at the ankles. i can run 2000mg of karachi a week and not get that. his body will respond to different tests and esters differently that yours or the next guys.
all that being said, you dont need a lot of gear to build a great physique like the old timers, just time, dedication, discipline, and good genetics.
I said 1cc not 1 gram ::)
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pointy elbows caused by high doses of halotestin with esterless testosterone such as suspension,,when mix them too unless on growth hormone ,,your elbows will get dried and look pointier,,prolonged use of gh can contribute but only at higher doses and consistant usage,,not many have the money for that level and the ones who do know how to avoid that look but using the right steroids with it,,
halo at higher doses will get you the pointy elbows
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absolute rubbish. where do you get this shit?!
its like you are a tape recorder for every gym and urban myth in the ignorant and uneducated world of bodybuilding..then you spew what you hear from other morons and pass it off as fact.
HGH is the cause of pointy elbows..period. nothing else, period. fucking idiot.
its well documented- nothing that a google search wouldnt show up.
why oh why you take the poorly constructed conclusions from morons who cocktail everything and wouldnt have a clue about correlation and cause and effect is beyond me..actually its not, as i understand that there are dumb fucks like yourself everywhere- and they truly believe that they arent stupid.
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all the sucessful fellas in the early 80 and before hand had very good natural gh in body ,,at max release,,that was major thing in their sucess,,this is also why they quit very young comparing to today ,,because the gh droped and there was no syntetic replacement,,they came back later for one more time usually late 80s or early 90s because they had gh to play with but they were too old inrelashion to younger bodybuilder on gh and steroids,,
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Sorry dude but you're wrong. Bodybuilders of the 70's and 80's lasted way past the bodybuilders of today. Beckles, Pearl, Padilla, Nubret, Corney and many others have not only lasted longer but have retained more muscle and stayed healthier than that of todays bodybuilders. HGH has been around for years, it wasn't until the age of insulin use came along and REALLY ruined bodybuilding as well as the body. In large doses not only does it add to the aging process but it also screws up the human metabolic pathways to no end as well as causing a multitude of internal problems. Insulin is the worst thing to come along ever in bodybuilding. Milo's (and I'm not bashing him) loves his insulin but look at how much he's aged and he's younger than me!
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Sorry dude but you're wrong. Bodybuilders of the 70's and 80's lasted way past the bodybuilders of today. Beckles, Pearl, Padilla, Nubret, Corney and many others have not only lasted longer but have retained more muscle and stayed healthier than that of todays bodybuilders. HGH has been around for years, it wasn't until the age of insulin use came along and REALLY ruined bodybuilding as well as the body. In large doses not only does it add to the aging process but it also screws up the human metabolic pathways to no end as well as causing a multitude of internal problems. Insulin is the worst thing to come along ever in bodybuilding. Milo's (and I'm not bashing him) loves his insulin but look at how much he's aged and he's younger than me!
WRONG WRONG AND WRONG!!! ON ALL POINTS,,THOSE FELLAS LASTED LONG BECAUSE THEY WENT ON HGH LATER ON ,,THEY NEVER LASTED ANYTHING THEY WERE NOT COMPETETIVE ANYMORE IN THE OLDER YEARS ,,BUT THEY WERE STILL USING HGH SEE LOU FARIGNO AND MANY OTHERS,,YOU DONT NEED TO TELL GOD OF HORMONES THAT HGH BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS,, IM THE ONE WHO SAYS IT BEEN AROUND SINCE 80S MID 80S FOR ATHLETES COMMON USE AND EARLY 80S EXPERIEMENTED TRIALS AND AVAILABLE FROM USSR,,I ALSO SAID INSULIN IS WHAT RUINED BODYBUILDG,,
I HAVE NEVER SAID INSULIN DID NOT RUIN BODYBULDING FOR IM THE ONE WHO SAID IT TO BEGIN WITH,,WHAT I SAID WAS THAT ANY OF YOU LOSERS THAT TRAIN MMA OR TRAIN BODYBUILD OR GURUS WHO TRY TO TRAIN BODYBUILDERS KNOW THAT GH IS THE UTMOST MOST IMPORTANT IN TODAY BODYUILDING,,WITH OUT IT THERE IS NO MODERN BODYBUILDER ,,WKTH OUT IT WE ARE BACK TO THE STONE AGE WHERE YOU COMPETE AT 190-210 LB AT 5 % IN A GOOD CASE SENARIO,,
YES LEE HAINY WAS ON G H
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absolute rubbish. where do you get this shit?!
its like you are a tape recorder for every gym and urban myth in the ignorant and uneducated world of bodybuilding..then you spew what you hear from other morons and pass it off as fact.
HGH is the cause of pointy elbows..period. nothing else, period. fucking idiot.
its well documented- nothing that a google search wouldnt show up.
why oh why you take the poorly constructed conclusions from morons who cocktail everything and wouldnt have a clue about correlation and cause and effect is beyond me..actually its not, as i understand that there are dumb fucks like yourself everywhere- and they truly believe that they arent stupid.
listen retard,,i eat shits like you for lunch ,,the reason i even answer you is to educate the masses,,so open your dumbo ears and listen ,,
halotestin will dry you enough while increasing your muscle fiber strength to push very heavy weight ,,it will get it to the level where your arms will look
1 SHORTER/DRIER
2 POINTIER ELBOW
NO WINSTROL DOESNT MAKE IT BECAUSE WINSTROL DOESNT GET YOU AS STRONG AND DOESNT WORK THE FIBER AS MUCH AS HALO AT HIGHER DOSES,,SAME FOR ANAVAR ITS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO DO IT ,, HALO WILL DO IT,,
NOW,,GH AFTER PROLONG USE IN HIGH DOSES WHICH YOU WONT EVER HAVE THE MONEY TO USE ,,15 UNITS PLUS FOR A GOOD YEAR,,WILL IF NOT TAKEN WITH SPECIFIC ANDROGENS THAT RETAIN WATER,, WILL GIVE THE ILLUSION OF POINTY ELBOW,,AND CONTRIBUTE TO BONE THIKCKENING,,THE QUESTION WAS P O I N T Y ELBOWS,,THAT PHENOMENON IS A RESULT OF SEVERE USE OF HALOTESTIN ESPECIALLY WITH NO ESTER TEST LIKE SUSPENSION,,
IM NEVER WRONG ,,I NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE,,WHY IS THAT?,,BECAUSE I HAVE USED ALL THE PRODUCT I TALK ABOUT FOR 10S OF YEARS IN THE LOW DOSES AND MEGA DOSES,,ITS LIKE YOU USE ADVIL AND ASPIRIN,,
so now go back to your cave and die,, or just go read the bible it will benefit you some
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WRONG WRONG AND WRONG!!! ON ALL POINTS,,THOSE FELLAS LASTED LONG BECAUSE THEY WENT ON HGH LATER ON ,,THEY NEVER LASTED ANYTHING THEY WERE NOT COMPETETIVE ANYMORE IN THE OLDER YEARS ,,BUT THEY WERE STILL USING HGH SEE LOU FARIGNO AND MANY OTHERS,,YOU DONT NEED TO TELL GOD OF HORMONES THAT HGH BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS,, IM THE ONE WHO SAYS IT BEEN AROUND SINCE 80S MID 80S FOR ATHLETES COMMON USE AND EARLY 80S EXPERIEMENTED TRIALS AND AVAILABLE FROM USSR,,I ALSO SAID INSULIN IS WHAT RUINED BODYBUILDG,,
I HAVE NEVER SAID INSULIN DID NOT RUIN BODYBULDING FOR IM THE ONE WHO SAID IT TO BEGIN WITH,,WHAT I SAID WAS THAT ANY OF YOU LOSERS THAT TRAIN MMA OR TRAIN BODYBUILD OR GURUS WHO TRY TO TRAIN BODYBUILDERS KNOW THAT GH IS THE UTMOST MOST IMPORTANT IN TODAY BODYUILDING,,WITH OUT IT THERE IS NO MODERN BODYBUILDER ,,WKTH OUT IT WE ARE BACK TO THE STONE AGE WHERE YOU COMPETE AT 190-210 LB AT 5 % IN A GOOD CASE SENARIO,,
YES LEE HAINY WAS ON G H
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I never said they were not on gh, I specifically said it's been around for years. I also know a lot of the top pros were on it at least since I started training (1975) and before that. But I totally disagree that they didn't last as long. You have pro's that were popular not too long ago that have burned out more than likely due to the insulin usage.
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Sorry dude but you're wrong. Bodybuilders of the 70's and 80's lasted way past the bodybuilders of today. Beckles, Pearl, Padilla, Nubret, Corney and many others have not only lasted longer but have retained more muscle and stayed healthier than that of todays bodybuilders. HGH has been around for years, it wasn't until the age of insulin use came along and REALLY ruined bodybuilding as well as the body. In large doses not only does it add to the aging process but it also screws up the human metabolic pathways to no end as well as causing a multitude of internal problems. Insulin is the worst thing to come along ever in bodybuilding. Milo's (and I'm not bashing him) loves his insulin but look at how much he's aged and he's younger than me!
Yep, if you wanna age really fast take insulin, it's an aging hormone.
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The "pointy" elbows of Dickerson were caused by one of two things, calcium deposits or bursitis, if gh was the cause more people would have had it, Dickerson was the only one that I can remember that had this problem. Drugs are not always the cause of a visible problem.
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The "pointy" elbows of Dickerson were caused by one of two things, calcium deposits or bursitis, if gh was the cause more people would have had it, Dickerson was the only one that I can remember that had this problem. Drugs are not always the cause of a visible problem.
It was bursitis, he said so and he had it drained after the 1982 Olympia. I remember and interview he did about when he trained for that show. I saw pics of him at Bill Pearl's ranch when he first started to train for the show. If I recall correctly he wasn't going to enter at first. When he first arrived at the ranch I swear he didn't even look like he lifted. Freakin amazing transformation.
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i keep telling you its the drug HALOTESTIN that many of the old school and new school use,,including me ,,including lee liar priest,,including any one in the 70s thatg had erection problem and coudnt get his peepee hard,,it was prescribed like buns,,and was bought all over,,remember friends the drugs were completely uncontrolled then THE ABUSE WAS HIGHER THAN TODAY BECAUSE IT WAS PHARMA GRADE ABUSE,,
halo will do it to elbow ,,if you go too long you start looking too stiff too,,you are strong and big ,,but the look start resembeling a weirdo with shorter arms bonier arms and pointier elbows,,no matter how much muscle you have
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I said 1cc not 1 gram ::)
LOL my bad. sorry sir.
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If someone wants to do a cycle without test and guarantee good libido and sexual function. Throw a few tabs of Proviron into the mix. It's a synthetic DHT and if you're only using low androgen drugs like primo, Winnie or anavar, it will help you a lot. Or...some companies like Primordial performance make a great DHT Pro-hormone like Androhard that works really well. Just keep the doses low or it can eat up your hair pretty good.
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Wanna build a Nubret like physique? Anadrol and Dbol. Eq, parabolan, deca, winny. Pick an oral and two injects. find out what works best for you. Stay very lean under 8%. lean growth from these compounds will give you best look. Forget slin, test and GH. Walking around at 200 ultra lean and you will look the best that your genetics will allow. Very dense and thick with striations.
what do you think of my plan for my next show Disgusted?
from next week until about the 15 of january, I will run 2000-2500 of Omnadren with 4iu of HGH (just waiting to receive them)
then when I really start the prep, (I am about 10% bf right now), I drop the test and I start 100mg of anavar ed, 100mg of winstrol ed and 1g of EQ every week until the show in june 8)
if it too long to be on orals ?
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Yep, if you wanna age really fast take insulin, it's an aging hormone.
I dont understand how using exogenous insulin will cause aging. Every time you eat your body releases insulin anyways no way around it so whats wrong with using the shit in the bottle?
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I dont understand how using exogenous insulin will cause aging. Every time you eat your body releases insulin anyways no way around it so whats wrong with using the shit in the bottle?
I'm guessing it's because it's a) exogenous and b) the amounts are much larger than what would naturally occur in the body.
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I still think that the 90s physiques were the best of the best.
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listen retard,,i eat shits like you for lunch ,,the reason i even answer you is to educate the masses,,so open your dumbo ears and listen ,,
halotestin will dry you enough while increasing your muscle fiber strength to push very heavy weight ,,it will get it to the level where your arms will look
1 SHORTER/DRIER
2 POINTIER ELBOW
NO WINSTROL DOESNT MAKE IT BECAUSE WINSTROL DOESNT GET YOU AS STRONG AND DOESNT WORK THE FIBER AS MUCH AS HALO AT HIGHER DOSES,,SAME FOR ANAVAR ITS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO DO IT ,, HALO WILL DO IT,,
NOW,,GH AFTER PROLONG USE IN HIGH DOSES WHICH YOU WONT EVER HAVE THE MONEY TO USE ,,15 UNITS PLUS FOR A GOOD YEAR,,WILL IF NOT TAKEN WITH SPECIFIC ANDROGENS THAT RETAIN WATER,, WILL GIVE THE ILLUSION OF POINTY ELBOW,,AND CONTRIBUTE TO BONE THIKCKENING,,THE QUESTION WAS P O I N T Y ELBOWS,,THAT PHENOMENON IS A RESULT OF SEVERE USE OF HALOTESTIN ESPECIALLY WITH NO ESTER TEST LIKE SUSPENSION,,
IM NEVER WRONG ,,I NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE,,WHY IS THAT?,,BECAUSE I HAVE USED ALL THE PRODUCT I TALK ABOUT FOR 10S OF YEARS IN THE LOW DOSES AND MEGA DOSES,,ITS LIKE YOU USE ADVIL AND ASPIRIN,,
so now go back to your cave and die,, or just go read the bible it will benefit you some
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gh15 approved
:D I couldn't help but think of that line in Happy Gilmore while reading the bolded part,
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I still think that the 90s physiques were the best of the best.
I think alot of it has to do with that the 90s guys got started in the 80s and already had a good base built via training natural and on AAS before they started to use high dosages of GH and insulin. today it seems like alot of the guys don't have that foundation.
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I think alot of it has to do with that the 90s guys got started in the 80s and already had a good base built via training natural and on AAS before they started to use high dosages of GH and insulin. today it seems like alot of the guys don't have that foundation.
I agree.
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I'm guessing it's because it's a) exogenous and b) the amounts are much larger than what would naturally occur in the body.
^^^this
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I dont understand how using exogenous insulin will cause aging. Every time you eat your body releases insulin anyways no way around it so whats wrong with using the shit in the bottle?
Insulin period. Do some research about what insulin does to the body over time and why eating a "lower" carb diet devoid of sugar can increase your lifespan.
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what do you think of my plan for my next show Disgusted?
from next week until about the 15 of january, I will run 2000-2500 of Omnadren with 4iu of HGH (just waiting to receive them)
then when I really start the prep, (I am about 10% bf right now), I drop the test and I start 100mg of anavar ed, 100mg of winstrol ed and 1g of EQ every week until the show in june 8)
if it too long to be on orals ?
I would do some bloodwork every 4 to 6 weeks if you plan on using these orals that long. Why are you using so much test then cutting it like that?
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I would do some bloodwork every 4 to 6 weeks if you plan on using these orals that long. Why are you using so much test then cutting it like that?
Don't know, I got a good prices for 100 omnadren and since I can't have human grade very often I wanted to load on it.
for my prep I wanted to try the "no testosterone, and lot of anabolics" after reading the threads about the competitors from europe.
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(http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/h8tk3xrq/1290147728638.jpg)
Great pic of Serge. :)
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Don't know, I got a good prices for 100 omnadren and since I can't have human grade very often I wanted to load on it.
for my prep I wanted to try the "no testosterone, and lot of anabolics" after reading the threads about the competitors from europe.
never ever off testosterna completely ,,NEVER EVER,,you want it in even if it is low dose you want it in for thickness and the right swole to the muscle,,got to have it in even if it is only prop,, got to have it in
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never ever off testosterna completely ,,NEVER EVER,,you want it in even if it is low dose you want it in for thickness and the right swole to the muscle,,got to have it in even if it is only prop,, got to have it in
gh15 approved
alright I'll keep some shering testovis in 8)
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Don't know, I got a good prices for 100 omnadren and since I can't have human grade very often I wanted to load on it.
for my prep I wanted to try the "no testosterone, and lot of anabolics" after reading the threads about the competitors from europe.
I don't blame you then. The contest stack sounds good. Good luck.
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its going to take you a while to find out what your body responds best to.
disgusted is closest with his advise. some guys respond better to androgens (like testosterone) than others. some guys prefer less test and more compounds like winny or tren etc.
it'll take you years before you get to the point of knowing what compounds your body will respond best to. if someone tells me that everyone responds the same to all compounds they are clueless. so, eventually if you really want to get right down to it, and prefect what it is you need to take to get the results you want, you prolly will have to try to experiment a little.
and schmoe buster- you cant say he wont bloat on 1 gram of test- how do you know? i got edema on 600 mg of Dispert cyp a week. thats not just simply facial bloat and a puffy look- thats pitting at the ankles. i can run 2000mg of karachi a week and not get that. his body will respond to different tests and esters differently that yours or the next guys.
all that being said, you dont need a lot of gear to build a great physique like the old timers, just time, dedication, discipline, and good genetics.
i think schmoe buster said 1cc of test, not 1gram
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I think alot of it has to do with that the 90s guys got started in the 80s and already had a good base built via training natural and on AAS before they started to use high dosages of GH and insulin. today it seems like alot of the guys don't have that foundation.
Hmmmm...
This is a very interesting idea. ;)
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i think schmoe buster said 1cc of test, not 1gram
sorry i just realized you guys already fixed that ;)
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Hmmmm...
This is a very interesting idea. ;)
that makes no sense. If insulin does ruin the pysique then what difference does it make when it is used? IF you build a base with AAS for 10 years then use slin and gh for a couple years you still may fuck up your physique same amount as starting it from day one. Just delaying the ineveitible.
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Wanna build a Nubret like physique? Anadrol and Dbol. Eq, parabolan, deca, winny. Pick an oral and two injects. find out what works best for you. Stay very lean under 8%. lean growth from these compounds will give you best look. Forget slin, test and GH. Walking around at 200 ultra lean and you will look the best that your genetics will allow. Very dense and thick with striations.
Orals: Dbol
Injects: EQ and Winny
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all the sucessful fellas in the early 80 and before hand had very good natural gh in body ,,at max release,,that was major thing in their sucess,,this is also why they quit very young comparing to today ,,because the gh droped and there was no syntetic replacement,,they came back later for one more time usually late 80s or early 90s because they had gh to play with but they were too old inrelashion to younger bodybuilder on gh and steroids,,
gh15 approved
They were taking growth hormone obtained from human cadavers back in Arnolds day and put themselves at risk for catching Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease. How did you not know this dude?
Transmission of Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease
The defective protein can be transmitted by contaminated harvested human growth hormone (HGH) products, Immunoglobulins (IVIG), corneal grafts, dural grafts or electrode implants (acquired or iatrogenic form: iCJD); it can be inherited (hereditary or familial form: fCJD); or it may appear for the first time in the patient (sporadic form: sCJD). In the hereditary form, a mutation occurs in the gene for PrP, PRNP. Ten to fifteen percent of CJD cases are inherited. (CDC)
The disease has also been shown to result from usage of HGH drawn from the pituitary glands of cadavers who died from Creutzfeldt–Jakob Disease,[12] though the known incidence of this cause is (as of April 2004) quite small. The risk of infection through cadaveric HGH usage in the US only ceased when the medication was withdrawn in 1985.
It is thought that humans can contract the disease by consuming material from animals infected with the bovine form of the disease. The only suspected cases to arise thus far have been vCJD, although there are fears — based on animal studies — that consuming beef or beef products containing prion particles can also cause the development of classic CJD. When BSE material infects humans the resulting disease is known as (new) variant CJD Disease (nvCJD).[10]
Cannibalism has also been implicated as a transmission mechanism for abnormal prions, causing the disease known as kuru, found primarily among women and children of the Fore tribe in Papua New Guinea. While the men of the tribe ate the body of the deceased and rarely contracted the disease, the women and children, who ate the less desirable body parts, were 8 times more likely to contract the disease from infected tissue.
Prions, the infectious agent of CJD, may not be inactivated by means of routine surgical instrument sterilization procedures. The World Health Organization and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend that instrumentation used in such cases be immediately destroyed after use; secondary to destruction, it is recommended that heat and chemical decontamination be used in combination to process instruments that come in contact with high-infectivity tissues. No cases of iatrogenic transmission of CJD have been reported subsequent to the adoption of current sterilization procedures, or since 1976.[13][14][15] Copper–hydrogen peroxide has been suggested as an alternative to the current recommendation of sodium hydroxide or sodium hypochlorite.[16] Thermal depolymerization also destroys prions in infected organic and inorganic matter, since the process dissolves protein at the molecular level.
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im not aware of use of growth hormone on americano land before 1984,,in ussr and europe they expriemented with it in late 70s ,and through the 80s,,the cadavars im aware of were around in the 80s ,,70s was more of a do your own thing and fail kinda deal,,just not enough consistancy until the 80s
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that makes no sense. If insulin does ruin the pysique then what difference does it make when it is used? IF you build a base with AAS for 10 years then use slin and gh for a couple years you still may fuck up your physique same amount as starting it from day one. Just delaying the ineveitible.
to me it makes alot of sense if you think about it . not all drug use is equal and I don't think insulin will necessarily ruin your physique overnight and there is also the question of how and how much of it is used.
of course it may/will still mess you up at some point. but someone (Mr A) who has maxed out their natural and AAS gains before they start using insulin will be in a different position compared to the guy (Mr B) who starts using all kinds of stuff at a much earlier stage in his development. because...
a)
Mr B may ruin his physique at a much earlier age than Mr A and his (Mr B) physique may already be messed up when he should be at his potential peak years...while Mr A is adding insulin to a solid foundation and time his insulin use much better with his potential peak years. so delaying the insulin use can have a big impact in this way.
b) adding things in stages (see gh15 post) may lead to a higher peak vs someone who starts using too much and too many things at a relatively earlier stage.
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i think schmoe buster said 1cc of test, not 1gram
yeah we straightened that out a few posts above. thanks. :)
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to me it makes alot of sense if you think about it . not all drug use is equal and I don't think insulin will necessarily ruin your physique overnight and there is also the question of how and how much of it is used.
of course it may/will still mess you up at some point. but someone (Mr A) who has maxed out their natural and AAS gains before they start using insulin will be in a different position compared to the guy (Mr B) who starts using all kinds of stuff at a much earlier stage in his development. because...
a)
Mr B may ruin his physique at a much earlier age than Mr A and his (Mr B) physique may already be messed up when he should be at his potential peak years...while Mr A is adding insulin to a solid foundation and time his insulin use much better with his potential peak years. so delaying the insulin use can have a big impact in this way.
b) adding things in stages (see gh15 post) may lead to a higher peak vs someone who starts using too much and too many things at a relatively earlier stage.
I disagree. Right now in the bodyuilding world the only thingthat can change your genetics somewhat,accordin to gh15 and other gurus, is HGH because it wlll give you new muscle cells. Now if you start usng gh nostop from the very start you are ging to have alot more muscle cells than someone who has been using AAS only.
the more muscle cells you have the more dramatic you will respond to steroids. Gh15 said before that those wth te best phsiques on AAS alone hve high levels of GH in the body anyways.
As far as insulin lets not forget that some great physiques abused the shit out of insulin...kevin levrone abused it like no other. Dennis Newman used it as well. God they had such an ugly physique. ::)
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I disagree. Right now in the bodyuilding world the only thingthat can change your genetics somewhat,accordin to gh15 and other gurus, is HGH because it wlll give you new muscle cells. Now if you start usng gh nostop from the very start you are ging to have alot more muscle cells than someone who has been using AAS only.
the more muscle cells you have the more dramatic you will respond to steroids. Gh15 said before that those wth te best phsiques on AAS alone hve high levels of GH in the body anyways.
As far as insulin lets not forget that some great physiques abused the shit out of insulin...kevin levrone abused it like no other. Dennis Newman used it as well. God they had such an ugly physique. ::)
ok, we will have to agree to disagree. that being said, I'm not an expert and I'm just speculating.
but didn't both newman and kevin atleast build a foundation without insulin?
and are we sure that those guys used insulin in the same way as today?
and I don't believe gh15 has said you should start with gh straight away..he said it's best to build a foundation by natural training and then adding aas and add mass that way first. after that add gh....and then add in insulin.
I don't think going on AAS+gh+insulin very early gives better gains than doing it in stages. not based on the comments made by much more knowledgeable people than me.
look at nasser..didn't he start with insulin in 95 at the age of 30 or so..he blew up 30lbs in a year and completely transformed his physique. nasser was born in like 65 so he had built a foundation without insulin. today lots of guys start using gh and insulin at 20...it's not surprising their physiques start falling apart at a much earlier age just because they end up using insulin for longer periods of time. so they end up peaking almost before they get their pro cars and never reach the peak they could have if they had more patience and had done things in stages.
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ok, we will have to agree to disagree. that being said, I'm not an expert and I'm just speculating.
but didn't both newman and kevin atleast build a foundation without insulin?
well dennis newman started gear at 19 and retired at around 24 i believe and competed at 249 at 5 foot 10 at the ge of 23. I am sure there as a little insulin involved ;)
Levrone and foundation should not be used in the same sentence he was all drugs and response to drugs and had the best hookups in the world from what I heard.e
and are we sure that those guys used insulin in the same way as today?
Kevin abused insulin so badly that he is a diabetic which is really hard to do. Kevin worked with Dave Palumbo who was pretty generous with his humalin advice. :D Dennis admited to using it for years in an interview.and I don't believe gh15 has said you should start with gh straight away..he said it's best to build a foundation by natural training and then adding aas and add mass that way first. after that add gh....and then add in insulin.
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I don't think going on AAS+gh+insulin very early gives better gains than doing it in stages. not based on the comments made by much more knowledgeable people than me.
look at nasser..didn't he start with insulin in 95 at the age of 30 or so..he blew up 30lbs in a year and completely transformed his physique. nasser was born in like 65 so he had built a foundation without insulin. today lots of guys start using gh and insulin at 20...it's not surprising their physiques start falling apart at a much earlier age just because they end up using insulin for longer periods of time. so they end up peaking almost before they get their pro cars and never reach the peak they could have if they had more patience and had done things in stages.
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how do you know kevin is diabetic now? never heard that before.
I dont believe that he abused insulin that much simply because he never had a bloated guts! but still we dont know the direct cause of it 100% yet... But imo kevin was using moderate dose of either between GH or insulin.. to still have a waist like that after all these years.
Also being off of almost everything and shrink back to 200lbs off season for 5-6months a year probably did good for him. Nowadays he look fucking 25 years old and doesnt even look like he abused aas and other crazy shits, not in the bad way as hes small etc.. but he look really healthy with still full muscle belly not like that scammer, retard dave palumbo
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how do you know kevin is diabetic now? never heard that before.
I dont believe that he abused insulin that much simply because he never had a bloated guts! but still we dont know the direct cause of it 100% yet... But imo kevin was using moderate dose of either between GH or insulin.. to still have a waist like that after all these years.
Also being off of almost everything and shrink back to 200lbs off season for 5-6months a year probably did good for him. Nowadays he look fucking 25 years old and doesnt even look like he abused aas and other crazy shits, not in the bad way as hes small etc.. but he look really healthy with still full muscle belly not like that scammer, retard dave palumbo
just google it kevin levrone diabeic and you will see what I mean. It could be a rumor who knows. But it is pretty well known that Kevin responded very well to insulin. I think the fact that Kevin never went overboard with the calories is one of the reasons for the small waiste.
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Serge said he never weighed over 210lbs @ 6ft tall onstage in his life. He said this on the ironage message boards.
He was just freaky taking that into consideration.
Serge clearly said he was in the 230's 2 weeks out form the 1975 Mr. Olympia.. when Weider freaked out and banned him from it because he would have won.
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just google it kevin levrone diabeic and you will see what I mean. It could be a rumor who knows. But it is pretty well known that Kevin responded very well to insulin. I think the fact that Kevin never went overboard with the calories is one of the reasons for the small waiste.
dude are you kidding me, dont believe what some retards from bbing.com says
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just google it kevin levrone diabeic and you will see what I mean. It could be a rumor who knows. But it is pretty well known that Kevin responded very well to insulin. I think the fact that Kevin never went overboard with the calories is one of the reasons for the small waiste.
but I don't think that really says much (just looking at kevin). we have to look at the overall picture. maybe kevin is an exception and got away with insulin abuse and still looked good..maybe not and his use was different compared to todays bodybuilders (not bulking up too much and not going overboard with the calories...as you mention). I don't know...but the thing is that today's bodybuilders look worse compared to the guys in the 90s and there has to be some explanation for that. I believe a big part of that is the insulin use...more insulin and they start using at an earlier stage.
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Serge clearly said he was in the 230's 2 weeks out form the 1975 Mr. Olympia.. when Weider freaked out and banned him from it because he would have won.
Show me where he said that?
Serge was never 230 in shape in his life.
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Show me where he said that?
Serge was never 230 in shape in his life.
Ofcourse he was.. reason he was "banned" from the Olympia, in his own words. Then he dropped to 200-205 and they let him compete.
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Show me where he said that?
Serge was never 230 in shape in his life.
I think he said he was 212-215lbs (not 230) and competition ready...before the weiders told him he couldn't compete.
when they let him compete he ended up at 200lbs because he got depressed and lost a lot of weight.
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Ofcourse he was.. reason he was "banned" from the Olympia, in his own words. Then he dropped to 200-205 and they let him compete.
He said he lost 15lbs and he was 215lbs and in the best shape of his life.
He was about 200lbs onstage that day.
Im damn near positive of this.
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Imagine looking like him and walking down the street in the summer ;D
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nubret said that he usually used like 70-100kg in the bench press but he was capable of doing 200x10 in the bench press and had done a single with 220-225kg.
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Serge probably had the best ( most desirable ) physique of all times.
Its a shame he's in the situation that he is in now.
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Serge probably had the best ( most desirable ) physique of all times.
Its a shame he's in the situation that he is in now.
yeah, inspiring physique. makes you wanna train hard! not like the bloated monster pros of this generation.
what happened to him? I heard he was poisoned and all kinds of weird stuff and that his family tried to kill him or atleast not give him the best possible medical care etc etc
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Ofcourse he was.. reason he was "banned" from the Olympia, in his own words. Then he dropped to 200-205 and they let him compete.
He said he was 212 and went down to 200 the day of the show.
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He said he was 212 and went down to 200 the day of the show.
This!
Happy Thanxgiving Jim.
Thanks for the holiday text message u fukin cock lover.
Tell H i said hi too :)
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Nubret had the most desirable physique in history IMO
Labrada, Zane and Ray etc, they're great but kinda short.
Serge had it all. tall, not missing anything. Perfect proportions.
Bob Paris is close in terms of height with a complete physique
Let me add to that the fact that Nubret also has a very large penis.
"1"
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Let me add to that the fact that Nubret also has a very large penis.
"1"
Why, pray tell, would that be of any interest to a real man? Real man. Real. Man. Why?
Hint: It is not.
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This!
Happy Thanxgiving Jim.
Thanks for the holiday text message u fukin cock lover.
Tell H i said hi too :)
Hope you enjoyed your Guinness. Oh and Happy Thanksgiving
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Hope you enjoyed your Guinness. Oh and Happy Thanksgiving
Woke up this morning and my stomach was FUCKED UP! I only had one guiness and 2 newcastle and it fucked me up.
Thats why i stopped drinking beer.
Now my stomach has been bloated all day, ive only had hp and protein shakes all day. :(
Gonna have the old ladies tgiving dinner in a few tho. hopefully ill be able to enjoy it.
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Aceto said that Nubret trained abs for hours every day...he had spectacular abdominals.
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4-6 units of legit gh is not so low,,low is 1-2 iu,,you can get very very large and lean on 5 units of gh taken for only 2 months with aas ,,im talking here you go from 210 13% to 240 8% in 2 months,,thst thing alibaba the guro wont tell you because he is like all of those scambags LIAR,,
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I always thought that your posts were full of shit seen as you accuse pretty much everyone of being on something. You're the McCarthy of AAS. However, what you said before in this thread about being over 30 and losing natural GH production rings true with me. My muscles always felt big and full and i could carry a pump for days, or the feeling of it. I thought my shoulder surgery was responsible for me losing the roundness of my delts and the 'pop' that my physique had. Being 33 i feel endocrinally different from my 20s. I can really feel that something is missing.
Still, i've been natural all my life and i'm in pretty good shape. Since i don't make a living off my looks i can't justify paying for AAS.
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Aceto said that Nubret trained abs for hours every day...he had spectacular abdominals.
One hour daily. He stated that many times on ironage. Just FYI
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One hour daily. He stated that many times on ironage. Just FYI
I wonder if that contributed to him having hip replacement surgery.
he was a great bodybuilder, but doing that kind of volume of ab training is kinda overkill ;D
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One hour daily. He stated that many times on ironage. Just FYI
He also says he is natural ;D
Dont mind that alot of BB's from his era have said he pretty much introduced Para and early thyroid meds into the BB world.
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He also says he is natural ;D
Dont mind that alot of BB's from his era have said he pretty much introduced Para and early thyroid meds into the BB world.
Why would anyone admit to being on steroids?
They are illegal ya know.
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Why would anyone admit to being on steroids?
They are illegal ya know.
Not in his era :D just pointing out he is full of shit , alot of younger guys will read what he says and walk away very disapointed.
Read what Serge says with a very open mind is all im saying.
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Not in his era :D just pointing out he is full of shit , alot of younger guys will read what he says and walk away very disapointed.
Read what Serge says with a very open mind is all im saying.
exactly.
those old timers tend to exaggerate their claims.
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Not in his era :D just pointing out he is full of shit , alot of younger guys will read what he says and walk away very disapointed.
Read what Serge says with a very open mind is all im saying.
Read his thread on ironage, he talks about taking steroids back in the day.
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at the old time ,,not that old by the way ,,70s wasnt that long ago,,but during that time the guys used a lot and it was pharma ,,there was no need for underground anything,,all pharma,,go to pharma and take ,,the way you take insulin today ,,even the vet drugs were very easy to get,,no body cared back then,,no body knew what was what,,people cared about nixon and asbout the vietnam war,,no body had no internet,,no body was watching you from every camera possible on earth ,,no body had gps that tell them how to go from point a in ny to point b in middle of no where arkensas with out even looking once in the map,,
now days everyone is up your ass,, you do one move and everyone critiq it ,,peope lwait for your fall,, look at that fat alex from this board,,he is out of his mind,,and i blame the internet ,,i blame this era and this generation for destroying americana future,,
it has alot more important than steroid,,it is the ruining of a country we are talking about,,a country that once was the dream of everything possible,,where you could fuckin go out pee in the middle of the street and sing while holding a bottle of testosterona and no one would give a damn,,try to do it today,,,immidiatly your old geezer neigbor will call police,,or a 19 year old whore will try to accuse you of child moldesting of her 3 year old that she got as a result of her step dad fuckin her before she ran away from home in middle no where missispi,,
sad what happens nowday,,
gh15 approved
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at the old time ,,not that old by the way ,,70s wasnt that long ago,,but during that time the guys used a lot and it was pharma ,,there was no need for underground anything,,all pharma,,go to pharma and take ,,the way you take insulin today ,,even the vet drugs were very easy to get,,no body cared back then,,no body knew what was what,,people cared about nixon and asbout the vietnam war,,no body had no internet,,no body was watching you from every camera possible on earth ,,no body had gps that tell them how to go from point a in ny to point b in middle of no where arkensas with out even looking once in the map,,
now days everyone is up your ass,, you do one move and everyone critiq it ,,peope lwait for your fall,, look at that fat alex from this board,,he is out of his mind,,and i blame the internet ,,i blame this era and this generation for destroying americana future,,
it has alot more important than steroid,,it is the ruining of a country we are talking about,,a country that once was the dream of everything possible,,where you could fuckin go out pee in the middle of the street and sing while holding a bottle of testosterona and no one would give a damn,,try to do it today,,,immidiatly your old geezer neigbor will call police,,or a 19 year old whore will try to accuse you of child moldesting of her 3 year old that she got as a result of her step dad fuckin her before she ran away from home in middle no where missispi,,
sad what happens nowday,,
gh15 approved
Those were the good ol' day.
I just saw on tv the other day this elderly dude got arrested for telling his doctor during a physical that he wanted to kill president obama then off himself.
I really doubt the old geezer was gonna off the prez.
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dont know about that one,,if someone tell you they want to kill president and kill themslves you take it seriously,,why? because americansa is full of loonatiks,,but! and its a big but,,the americana people are losing it,,they are fed with very low social activity levels and cultural level ,,their society is falling apart because the internet degraded everything,,it cant be stoped but it can be changed and it will take time and a big fall,,but the sad part is that america is loved country ,,fuck the people now days,,the country itself was very good to the world along many years,,and nwo it all go down because of this generation ,,it can still be changed but it wil take major deal like complete liberterian rule,,if get chosen ,,and probably some changes in constitution ,,it takes machurity that only the ones of the like of glen beck and ron paul,,
if you continue in the alsharpton ,,sarah palin,,etc all this balonie you are going down for good
gh15 approved
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dont know about that one,,if someone tell you they want to kill president and kill themslves you take it seriously,,why? because americansa is full of loonatiks,,but! and its a big but,,the americana people are losing it,,they are fed with very low social activity levels and cultural level ,,their society is falling apart because the internet degraded everything,,it cant be stoped but it can be changed and it will take time and a big fall,,but the sad part is that america is loved country ,,fuck the people now days,,the country itself was very good to the world along many years,,and nwo it all go down because of this generation ,,it can still be changed but it wil take major deal like complete liberterian rule,,if get chosen ,,and probably some changes in constitution ,,it takes machurity that only the ones of the like of glen beck and ron paul,,
if you continue in the alsharpton ,,sarah palin,,etc all this balonie you are going down for good
gh15 approved
Didn't you help Palin get nominated? You said you talked to Rick.