80s physiques (before gh and insulin ruined bodybuilding)

[First Blood]

1cc of Test per week will not give you a bloated look, try to always use Human Grade Test like Schering,Organon,Geofman,ICN etc

Yes if your dick aint getting up you might want a shot of Test per week to even out your Test/Estrogen levels, like gh15 and Disgusted both said you need balanced Test/Estrogen levels for good sex life, some guys are ok with no Test in their cycle while other guys need it, just find out whats good for you

thank you..like I said im still researching and there is ALOT i don't understand. but I will remember the test/estrogen ratio thing.

is the risk of messing up test production in the long run bigger when you do cycles without injected test as a part of the cycle?

I'm also afraid that I end up having to take a bunch of different things. 

[First Blood]

Basically yes, but I have known guys who have never had a problem getting it up and didn't use test or stayed on deca a long time. I think that the AE's do a lot to kill one's sex drive. Also, I think that taking a lot of test like a gram or more can give you problems too. Finasteride will also kill your sex drive.

thanks will keep that in mind. AE = anti estrogens?

[Disgusted]

thanks will keep that in mind. AE = anti estrogens?

Yes

[no one]

thank you..like I said im still researching and there is ALOT i don't understand. but I will remember the test/estrogen ratio thing.

is the risk of messing up test production in the long run bigger when you do cycles without injected test as a part of the cycle?

I'm also afraid that I end up having to take a bunch of different things.  

its going to take you a while to find out what your body responds best to.

disgusted is closest with his advise. some guys respond better to androgens (like testosterone) than others. some guys prefer less test and more compounds like winny or tren etc.

it'll take you years before you get to the point of knowing what compounds your body will respond best to. if someone tells me that everyone responds the same to all compounds they are clueless. so, eventually if you really want to get right down to it, and prefect what it is you need to take to get the results you want, you prolly will have to try to experiment a little.

and schmoe buster- you cant say he wont bloat on 1 gram of test- how do you know? i got edema on 600 mg of Dispert cyp a week. thats not just simply facial bloat and a puffy look- thats pitting at the ankles. i can run 2000mg of karachi a week and not get that.  his body will respond to different tests and esters differently that yours or the next guys.

all that being said, you dont need a lot of gear to build a great physique like the old timers, just time, dedication, discipline, and good genetics.

[Master Blaster]

Was talking to a guy yesterday who's Dr gave him an estrogen shot to balance things out. Thought that was pretty cool that a Dr would do that.

 

[flexingtonsteele]

Wanna build a Nubret like physique? Anadrol and Dbol. Eq, parabolan, deca, winny. Pick an oral and two injects. find out what works best for you. Stay very lean under 8%. lean growth from these compounds will give you best look. Forget slin, test and GH. Walking around at 200 ultra lean and you will look the best that your genetics will allow. Very dense and thick with striations.

This! QFT! and X2 all in one!

[Schmoe Buster]

and schmoe buster- you cant say he wont bloat on 1 gram of test- how do you know? i got edema on 600 mg of Dispert cyp a week. thats not just simply facial bloat and a puffy look- thats pitting at the ankles. i can run 2000mg of karachi a week and not get that.  his body will respond to different tests and esters differently that yours or the next guys.

all that being said, you dont need a lot of gear to build a great physique like the old timers, just time, dedication, discipline, and good genetics.

I said 1cc not 1 gram

[disco_stu]

pointy elbows caused by high doses of halotestin with esterless testosterone such as suspension,,when mix them too unless on growth hormone ,,your elbows will get dried and look pointier,,prolonged use of gh can contribute but only at higher doses and consistant usage,,not many have the money for that level and the ones who do know how to avoid that look but using the right steroids with it,,

halo at higher doses will get you the pointy elbows

gh15 approved

absolute rubbish. where do you get this shit?!

its like you are a tape recorder for every gym and urban myth in the ignorant and uneducated world of bodybuilding..then you spew what you hear from other morons and pass it off as fact.

HGH is the cause of pointy elbows..period. nothing else, period. fucking idiot.

its well documented- nothing that a google search wouldnt show up.

why oh why you take the poorly constructed conclusions from morons who cocktail everything and wouldnt have a clue about correlation and cause and effect is beyond me..actually its not, as i understand that there are dumb fucks like yourself everywhere- and they truly believe that they arent stupid.

[Coach is Back!]

all the sucessful fellas in the early 80 and before hand had very good natural gh in body ,,at max release,,that was major thing in their sucess,,this is also why they quit very young comparing to today ,,because the gh droped and there was no syntetic replacement,,they came back later for one more time usually late 80s or early 90s because they had gh to play with but they were too old inrelashion to younger bodybuilder on gh and steroids,,

gh15 approved

Sorry dude but you're wrong. Bodybuilders of the 70's and 80's lasted way past the bodybuilders of today. Beckles, Pearl, Padilla, Nubret, Corney and many others have not only lasted longer but have retained more muscle and stayed healthier than that of todays bodybuilders. HGH has been around for years, it wasn't until the age of insulin use came along and REALLY ruined bodybuilding as well as the body. In large doses not only does it add to the aging process but it also screws up the human metabolic pathways to no end as well as causing a multitude of internal problems. Insulin is the worst thing to come along ever in bodybuilding. Milo's (and I'm not bashing him) loves his insulin but look at how much he's aged and he's younger than me!

[gh15]

Sorry dude but you're wrong. Bodybuilders of the 70's and 80's lasted way past the bodybuilders of today. Beckles, Pearl, Padilla, Nubret, Corney and many others have not only lasted longer but have retained more muscle and stayed healthier than that of todays bodybuilders. HGH has been around for years, it wasn't until the age of insulin use came along and REALLY ruined bodybuilding as well as the body. In large doses not only does it add to the aging process but it also screws up the human metabolic pathways to no end as well as causing a multitude of internal problems. Insulin is the worst thing to come along ever in bodybuilding. Milo's (and I'm not bashing him) loves his insulin but look at how much he's aged and he's younger than me!

WRONG WRONG AND WRONG!!! ON ALL POINTS,,THOSE FELLAS LASTED LONG BECAUSE THEY WENT ON HGH LATER ON ,,THEY NEVER LASTED ANYTHING THEY WERE NOT COMPETETIVE ANYMORE IN THE OLDER YEARS ,,BUT THEY WERE STILL USING HGH SEE LOU FARIGNO AND MANY OTHERS,,YOU DONT NEED TO TELL GOD OF HORMONES THAT HGH BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS,, IM THE ONE WHO SAYS IT BEEN AROUND SINCE 80S MID 80S FOR ATHLETES COMMON USE AND EARLY 80S EXPERIEMENTED TRIALS AND AVAILABLE FROM USSR,,I ALSO SAID INSULIN IS WHAT RUINED BODYBUILDG,,

I HAVE NEVER SAID INSULIN DID NOT RUIN BODYBULDING FOR IM THE ONE WHO SAID IT TO BEGIN WITH,,WHAT I SAID WAS THAT ANY OF YOU LOSERS THAT TRAIN MMA OR TRAIN BODYBUILD OR GURUS WHO TRY TO TRAIN BODYBUILDERS KNOW THAT GH IS THE UTMOST MOST IMPORTANT IN TODAY BODYUILDING,,WITH OUT IT THERE IS NO MODERN BODYBUILDER ,,WKTH OUT IT WE ARE BACK TO THE STONE AGE WHERE YOU COMPETE AT 190-210 LB AT 5 % IN A GOOD CASE SENARIO,,

YES LEE HAINY WAS ON G H

gh15 approved

[gh15]

absolute rubbish. where do you get this shit?!

its like you are a tape recorder for every gym and urban myth in the ignorant and uneducated world of bodybuilding..then you spew what you hear from other morons and pass it off as fact.

HGH is the cause of pointy elbows..period. nothing else, period. fucking idiot.

its well documented- nothing that a google search wouldnt show up.

why oh why you take the poorly constructed conclusions from morons who cocktail everything and wouldnt have a clue about correlation and cause and effect is beyond me..actually its not, as i understand that there are dumb fucks like yourself everywhere- and they truly believe that they arent stupid.

listen retard,,i eat shits like you for lunch ,,the reason i even answer you is to educate the masses,,so open your dumbo ears and listen ,,

halotestin will dry you enough while increasing your muscle fiber strength to push very heavy weight ,,it will get it to the level where your arms will look

1 SHORTER/DRIER

2 POINTIER ELBOW

NO WINSTROL DOESNT MAKE IT BECAUSE WINSTROL DOESNT GET YOU AS STRONG AND DOESNT WORK THE FIBER AS MUCH AS HALO AT HIGHER DOSES,,SAME FOR ANAVAR ITS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO DO IT ,, HALO WILL DO IT,,

NOW,,GH AFTER PROLONG USE IN HIGH DOSES WHICH YOU WONT EVER HAVE THE MONEY TO USE ,,15 UNITS PLUS FOR A GOOD YEAR,,WILL IF NOT TAKEN WITH SPECIFIC ANDROGENS THAT RETAIN WATER,, WILL GIVE THE ILLUSION OF POINTY ELBOW,,AND CONTRIBUTE TO BONE THIKCKENING,,THE QUESTION WAS P O I N T Y ELBOWS,,THAT PHENOMENON IS A RESULT OF SEVERE USE OF HALOTESTIN ESPECIALLY WITH NO ESTER TEST LIKE SUSPENSION,,

IM NEVER WRONG ,,I NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE,,WHY IS THAT?,,BECAUSE I HAVE USED ALL THE PRODUCT I TALK ABOUT FOR 10S OF YEARS IN THE LOW DOSES AND MEGA DOSES,,ITS LIKE YOU USE ADVIL AND ASPIRIN,,

so now go back to your cave and die,, or just go read the bible it will benefit you some

dismissed

gh15 approved

[Coach is Back!]

WRONG WRONG AND WRONG!!! ON ALL POINTS,,THOSE FELLAS LASTED LONG BECAUSE THEY WENT ON HGH LATER ON ,,THEY NEVER LASTED ANYTHING THEY WERE NOT COMPETETIVE ANYMORE IN THE OLDER YEARS ,,BUT THEY WERE STILL USING HGH SEE LOU FARIGNO AND MANY OTHERS,,YOU DONT NEED TO TELL GOD OF HORMONES THAT HGH BEEN AROUND FOR YEARS,, IM THE ONE WHO SAYS IT BEEN AROUND SINCE 80S MID 80S FOR ATHLETES COMMON USE AND EARLY 80S EXPERIEMENTED TRIALS AND AVAILABLE FROM USSR,,I ALSO SAID INSULIN IS WHAT RUINED BODYBUILDG,,

I HAVE NEVER SAID INSULIN DID NOT RUIN BODYBULDING FOR IM THE ONE WHO SAID IT TO BEGIN WITH,,WHAT I SAID WAS THAT ANY OF YOU LOSERS THAT TRAIN MMA OR TRAIN BODYBUILD OR GURUS WHO TRY TO TRAIN BODYBUILDERS KNOW THAT GH IS THE UTMOST MOST IMPORTANT IN TODAY BODYUILDING,,WITH OUT IT THERE IS NO MODERN BODYBUILDER ,,WKTH OUT IT WE ARE BACK TO THE STONE AGE WHERE YOU COMPETE AT 190-210 LB AT 5 % IN A GOOD CASE SENARIO,,

YES LEE HAINY WAS ON G H

gh15 approved

I never said they were not on gh, I specifically said it's been around for years. I also know a lot of the top pros were on it at least since I started training (1975) and before that. But I totally disagree that they didn't last as long. You have pro's that were popular not too long ago that have burned out more than likely due to the insulin usage.

[Disgusted]

Sorry dude but you're wrong. Bodybuilders of the 70's and 80's lasted way past the bodybuilders of today. Beckles, Pearl, Padilla, Nubret, Corney and many others have not only lasted longer but have retained more muscle and stayed healthier than that of todays bodybuilders. HGH has been around for years, it wasn't until the age of insulin use came along and REALLY ruined bodybuilding as well as the body. In large doses not only does it add to the aging process but it also screws up the human metabolic pathways to no end as well as causing a multitude of internal problems. Insulin is the worst thing to come along ever in bodybuilding. Milo's (and I'm not bashing him) loves his insulin but look at how much he's aged and he's younger than me!

Yep, if you wanna age really fast take insulin, it's an aging hormone.

[Coach is Back!]

The "pointy" elbows of Dickerson were caused by one of two things, calcium deposits or bursitis, if gh was the cause more people would have had it, Dickerson was the only one that I can remember that had this problem. Drugs are not always the cause of a visible problem.

[Disgusted]

The "pointy" elbows of Dickerson were caused by one of two things, calcium deposits or bursitis, if gh was the cause more people would have had it, Dickerson was the only one that I can remember that had this problem. Drugs are not always the cause of a visible problem.

It was bursitis, he said so and he had it drained after the 1982 Olympia. I remember and interview he did about when he trained for that show. I  saw pics of him at Bill Pearl's ranch when he first started to train for the show. If I recall correctly he wasn't going to enter at first. When he first arrived at the ranch I swear he didn't even look like he lifted. Freakin amazing transformation.

[gh15]

i keep telling you its the drug HALOTESTIN that many of the old school and new school use,,including me ,,including lee liar priest,,including any one in the 70s thatg had erection problem and coudnt get his peepee hard,,it was prescribed like buns,,and was bought all over,,remember friends the drugs were completely uncontrolled then THE ABUSE WAS HIGHER THAN TODAY BECAUSE IT WAS PHARMA GRADE ABUSE,,

halo will do it to elbow ,,if you go too long you start looking too stiff too,,you are strong and big ,,but the look start resembeling a weirdo with shorter arms bonier arms and pointier elbows,,no matter how much muscle you have

gh15 approved

[no one]

I said 1cc not 1 gram

LOL my bad. sorry sir.

[Lord of the Roidz]

If someone wants to do a cycle without test and guarantee good libido and sexual function. Throw a few tabs of Proviron into the mix. It's a synthetic DHT and if you're only using low androgen drugs like primo, Winnie or anavar, it will help you a lot. Or...some companies like Primordial performance make a great DHT Pro-hormone like Androhard that works really well. Just keep the doses low or it can eat up your hair pretty good.

[Stavios]

Wanna build a Nubret like physique? Anadrol and Dbol. Eq, parabolan, deca, winny. Pick an oral and two injects. find out what works best for you. Stay very lean under 8%. lean growth from these compounds will give you best look. Forget slin, test and GH. Walking around at 200 ultra lean and you will look the best that your genetics will allow. Very dense and thick with striations.

what do you think of my plan for my next show Disgusted?

from next week until about the 15 of january, I will run 2000-2500 of Omnadren with 4iu of HGH (just waiting to receive them)

then when I really start the prep, (I am about 10% bf right now), I drop the test and I start 100mg of anavar ed, 100mg of winstrol ed and 1g of EQ every week until the show in june 

if it too long to be on orals ?

[flinstones1]

Yep, if you wanna age really fast take insulin, it's an aging hormone.

I dont understand how using exogenous insulin will cause aging. Every time you eat your body releases insulin anyways no way around it  so whats wrong with using the shit in the bottle?

[First Blood]

I dont understand how using exogenous insulin will cause aging. Every time you eat your body releases insulin anyways no way around it  so whats wrong with using the shit in the bottle?

I'm guessing it's because it's a) exogenous and b) the amounts are much larger than what would naturally occur in the body.

[JP_RC]

I still think that the 90s physiques were the best of the best.

[JP_RC]

listen retard,,i eat shits like you for lunch ,,the reason i even answer you is to educate the masses,,so open your dumbo ears and listen ,,

halotestin will dry you enough while increasing your muscle fiber strength to push very heavy weight ,,it will get it to the level where your arms will look

1 SHORTER/DRIER

2 POINTIER ELBOW

NO WINSTROL DOESNT MAKE IT BECAUSE WINSTROL DOESNT GET YOU AS STRONG AND DOESNT WORK THE FIBER AS MUCH AS HALO AT HIGHER DOSES,,SAME FOR ANAVAR ITS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO DO IT ,, HALO WILL DO IT,,

NOW,,GH AFTER PROLONG USE IN HIGH DOSES WHICH YOU WONT EVER HAVE THE MONEY TO USE ,,15 UNITS PLUS FOR A GOOD YEAR,,WILL IF NOT TAKEN WITH SPECIFIC ANDROGENS THAT RETAIN WATER,, WILL GIVE THE ILLUSION OF POINTY ELBOW,,AND CONTRIBUTE TO BONE THIKCKENING,,THE QUESTION WAS P O I N T Y ELBOWS,,THAT PHENOMENON IS A RESULT OF SEVERE USE OF HALOTESTIN ESPECIALLY WITH NO ESTER TEST LIKE SUSPENSION,,

IM NEVER WRONG ,,I NEVER WAS AND NEVER WILL BE,,WHY IS THAT?,,BECAUSE I HAVE USED ALL THE PRODUCT I TALK ABOUT FOR 10S OF YEARS IN THE LOW DOSES AND MEGA DOSES,,ITS LIKE YOU USE ADVIL AND ASPIRIN,,

so now go back to your cave and die,, or just go read the bible it will benefit you some

dismissed

gh15 approved

  I couldn't help but think of that line in Happy Gilmore while reading the bolded part,

[First Blood]

I still think that the 90s physiques were the best of the best.

I think alot of it has to do with that the 90s guys got started in the 80s and already had a good base built via training natural and on AAS before they started to use high dosages of GH and insulin. today it seems like alot of the guys don't have that foundation.

[JP_RC]

I think alot of it has to do with that the 90s guys got started in the 80s and already had a good base built via training natural and on AAS before they started to use high dosages of GH and insulin. today it seems like alot of the guys don't have that foundation.

I agree.