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Just to get it started, I have been and recently went back on them.
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Yes, get ready to get fat(ter).
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Just to get it started, I have been and recently went back on them.
bullllllshit....
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Lorezapams. Didn't do much at all but make me sleepy quicker at night. When I came off though, I didn't wean off and went through hell for a couple of days.
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people stop using drugs that directly change your identity and fucks up your brains chemical balance... wtf?!?!?!
If you have a career, a house, a car and get laid every once in a while and have a deceant status in getbig you have nothing to be depressed about so much that you have to take drugs.... and you are NEVER so depressed.
Anti deperrssants are a cop out to your physical addiction to get tweaked, that is it.
Personally I prefer alcohol... or cocaine... never tried cocaine but I can imagine that is a right drug for me to take few times a year.
All in all I take that shit because it tastes good, but not to escape reality... because i am reality.
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Yes, get ready to get fat(ter).
I was taking Celexa before and didn't gain any weight...This is the one I'm taking again...Not worried about any weight gain...
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fatpanda has or is on them.
he was homeless due to some mental thing he wont talk about.
no joke.
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Just to get it started, I have been and recently went back on them.
Yeah, a bunch, never worked for me though. Environmental change helped way more. Hope this helps.
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not a fan!! if looking for "that kind of high", id go with an opiate..
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people stop using drugs that directly change your identity and fucks up your brains chemical balance... wtf?!?!?!
If you have a career, a house, a car and get laid every once in a while and have a deceant status in getbig you have nothing to be depressed about so much that you have to take drugs.... and you are NEVER so depressed.
Anti deperrssants are a cop out to your physical addiction to get tweaked, that is it.
Personally I prefer alcohol... or cocaine... never tried cocaine but I can imagine that is a right drug for me to take few times a year.
All in all I take that shit because it tastes good, but not to escape reality... because i am reality.
I was on for years before, what it did was take away some of my creativity, mellowed me out, enabled me to function in public and not have social anxiety and of course take away my depression...most important it kills your sex drive and in my case, that's good thing...depends how fucked up you are...pros and cons...it's best that I be on them...otherwise, i'd never gone back on them
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not a fan!! if looking for "that kind of high", id go with an opiate..
lol...not looking for a high...I was on them for 5 years to not be depressed...
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solve your issues in life first instead of escaping them with drugs...
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lol...not looking for a high...I was on them for 5 years to not be depressed...
you sound so fucking hypocritical and delusional... ;D
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you sound so fucking hypocritical and delusional... ;D
How so? I've done opiods before but that was for fun and I wasn't on antidepressants when I did them...antidepressants (Celexa in this case) doesn't make me high at all. it just makes me not sad and not anxious...
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wiggs, take note
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wiggs, take note
I understand what you are saying and I appreciate your input...but boring and subdued me is back...it's better this way...
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I understand what you are saying and I appreciate your input...but boring and subdued me is back...it's better this way...
but it's not you, it's those chemical imbalances the drugs give you. Anything that gives you side effect once you stop taking something is not healthy anymore, and this time we're talking about psychedelic.
You can't have "too much sex drive" you can't be "too intense" or "too tense".
The problems are solved by going to the root of the problem...
Unlike my self but atleast I admit it and live with it.
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but it's not you, it's those chemical imbalances the drugs give you. Anything that gives you side effect once you stop taking something is not healthy anymore, and this time we're talking about psychedelic.
You can't have "too much sex drive" you can't be "too intense" or "too tense".
The problems are solved by going to the root of the problem...
Unlike my self but atleast I admit it and live with it.
This will also be addressed in meetings with my shrink starting December 29th.
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Clonazepam - 8mg per day. :-\ :-\
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This will also be addressed in meetings with my shrink starting December 29th.
damn, I didn't know that you from all people were going through this.
but I think you don't need any shrinks.. parker said that all the answers are infront of you.. what comes to quiting anti depressants, I agree that you can't just quit'em, you will get woosy and probably feel sick to your stomac and maby even lose it. So you gotta quit them little by little, that's the best way.
But to take them just to get the easy fix (with all the negative stuff that comes along also) is such a waist, man.
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I was on Paxil for years. Started smoking weed. Quit Paxil. Quit smoking weed (not by choice). It took a month to clear the smoke from my head and now I am mentally good. No need for anti-depressants. Maybe years of maryjane use fixed the imbalance. I don't know really. I know that I will never go back on because that shit really robs you of who you are. You are like a walking zombie.
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Depressed coz there's a water mellon shortage ???
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When the time is right, I'll come off them, till then, I'm on.
You spelled "watermelon" wrong genius.
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Hey Wiggs are you still on Test?
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damn, I didn't know that you from all people were going through this.
but I think you don't need any shrinks.. parker said that all the answers are infront of you.. what comes to quiting anti depressants, I agree that you can't just quit'em, you will get woosy and probably feel sick to your stomac and maby even lose it. So you gotta quit them little by little, that's the best way.
But to take them just to get the easy fix (with all the negative stuff that comes along also) is such a waist, man.
shrinks can help him understand the issue and think in different ways, if they're decent
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Hey Wiggs are you still on Test?
Yes sir...
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When the time is right, I'll come off them, till then, I'm on.
You spelled "watermelon" wrong genius.
Fuck you cry baby.
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Fuck you cry baby.
lol
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shrinks can help him understand the issue and think in different ways, if they're decent
I'm lucky...I'm told the guy I'm going to is supposed to be very good...we'll see...
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How so? I've done opiods before but that was for fun and I wasn't on antidepressants when I did them...antidepressants (Celexa in this case) doesn't make me high at all. it just makes me not sad and not anxious...
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define "high"
to me, anything that has a significant effect on "the way you feel" or the way you experience the world is making you "high".
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Sertraline. I got pretty much every side effect with no discernible positive effect. I was prescribed it for anxiety.
I had one shrink. Some british guy who didn't seem to like people. He complained a whole session how I was 5 minutes late. The only doctors around here are the shittiest ones, usually pakis.
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shrinks can help him understand the issue and think in different ways, if they're decent
yes yes but I don't believe that he has "problems" that requires shrinks... if there ever is any problems that sort.
he has a car, a career, a body, gets pussy..... has money...
ok what doesn't he have? Maby he is ashamed of some doings... undoings? Those things can be fixed with your own mind power, thinking them over
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stuff seems to be prescribed waaaay to often in the states though, or at least it seems that way
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yes yes but I don't believe that he has "problems" that requires shrinks... if there ever is any problems that sort.
he has a car, a career, a body, gets pussy..... has money...
ok what doesn't he have? Maby he is ashamed of some doings... undoings? Those things can be fixed with your own mind power, thinking them over
you havent got a fucking clue what his problems are do you? material posessions means jack SHIT if you're not mentally healthy. its like saying all millionaires should be the happiest poeple in the world, they're not..
to think shit over you have to go deep into whats bothering you, some poeple might need help with that. :)
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Wiggs, Does the color yellow make you sad?
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Try Rhodiola Rosea, it's herbal and can cure mild - moderate depression in 4-6 weeks. It also helps against burn-out and fatigue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodiola_rosea#Phytochemicals_and_potential_health_effects
Great stuff, been taking it because of fatigue for 6-8 weeks now, feel seldom tired, better overall mood. Good supplement.
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define "high"
to me, anything that has a significant effect on "the way you feel" or the way you experience the world is making you "high".
Not here to argue this Taylor...If I wanted to get high, I'd smoke pot or take pills...
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Wiggs, Does the color yellow make you sad?
No...blue does, but it's also my favorite color...
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I've been on a lot of different drugs over the years for depression/anxiety. I've noticed as I get older I've had a lot of side effects as far as they irritate my skin where I have to stop and then start again when the depression/anxiety gets overwhelming. I agree that a lot of people take them that aren't really depressed but when I reach a certain point I know that I have to do something even though logically there might not be anything that I even consider to be bad in my life.
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you havent got a fucking clue what his problems are do you? material posessions means jack SHIT if you're not mentally healthy. its like saying all millionaires should be the happiest poeple in the world, they're not..
to think shit over you have to go deep into whats bothering you, some poeple might need help with that. :)
so he has a problem he doesn't know about?
I'm sure he has a problem he doesn't whanna talk about... but like my self, nothing is holy to me, so I talk about anything that bothers me... so I'm never depressed/shy etc... I'm just mean, cold hearted and bitter but never depressed. Good thing about this method of self expression is that you get high pride and ego it's something that will help you filter people out from their bullshit.
Wiggs is smart... he knows what's up, I think he is one of those people who think they need a hug
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so he has a problem he doesn't know about?
I'm sure he has a problem he doesn't whanna talk about...
well... I dont know. No one knows
...but wiggs
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Wiggs is smart... he knows what's up, I think he is one of those people who needs a hug JOINT.
Fixed
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Not here to argue this Taylor...If I wanted to get high, I'd smoke pot or take pills...
your taking pills, and they are getting you high. :D
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your taking pills, and they are getting you high. :D
you're like the getting high version of baygm
just shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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well... I dont know. No one knows
...but wiggs
the way he has posted in the past just indicates that he is strong individual and goes around cool places and has a nice life, but some basic fundamentals are missing. Many people don't whanna deal with their subconscious, many people need people to "accept them", you see? I think wiggs is getting cornered about his "problem" again, whatever it might be and hates the negative feeling. Doesn't whanan take it.
just speculating.
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No...blue does, but it's also my favorite color...
You know what makes me sad?
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Try Rhodiola Rosea, it's herbal and can cure mild - moderate depression in 4-6 weeks. It also helps against burn-out and fatigue.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhodiola_rosea#Phytochemicals_and_potential_health_effects
Great stuff, been taking it because of fatigue for 6-8 weeks now, feel seldom tired, better overall mood. Good supplement.
I'll try this. I've used St. Johns Wort and it didn't do anything and then tried Kava and it helped a little but didn't last.
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I'll try this. I've used St. Johns Wort and it didn't do anything and then tried Kava and it helped a little but didn't last.
I took some Kava last week and did 4x the recommended dosage. Didn't do anything. I bought the 84% paste.
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You know what makes me sad?
The color purple?
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I'll try this. I've used St. Johns Wort and it didn't do anything and then tried Kava and it helped a little but didn't last.
Definitly helped me overcome my fatigue and helo with the mood.
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I was on one that I forget the name of about seven years ago. Didn't do shit.
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I took some Kava last week and did 4x the recommended dosage. Didn't do anything. I bought the 84% paste.
After taking Kava a while it made my eyes very sensitive to the sun.
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.. what comes to quiting anti depressants, I agree that you can't just quit'em, you will get woosy and probably feel sick to your stomac and maby even lose it. So you gotta quit them little by little, that's the best way.
So you've been on them?
If not, how the fuck would you know how it's best to quit them or how quitting them feels?
people stop using drugs that directly change your identity and fucks up your brains chemical balance... wtf?!?!?!
Personally I prefer alcohol... or cocaine... never tried cocaine but I can imagine that is a right drug for me to take few times a year.
All in all I take that shit because it tastes good, but not to escape reality... because i am reality.
What the FUCK?! First you say not to mess with brain chemistry and then you say you "prefer" alcohol and cocaine, cocaine WHICH YOU NEVER EVEN TRIED?! You drink because it tastes good? Yeah right. ::)
Alcohol use is escapism. No one drinks because it tastes good.
Since you're on the Satanism kick.
The Nine Satanic Sins
1. Stupidity
2. Pretentiousness
3. Solipsism
4. Self-deceit
5. Herd Conformity
6. Lack of Perspective
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies
8. Counterproductive Pride
9. Lack of Aesthetics
;D
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So you've been on them?
If not, how the fuck would you know how it's best to quit them or how quitting them feels?
What the FUCK?! First you say not to mess with brain chemistry and then you say you "prefer" alcohol and cocaine, cocaine WHICH YOU NEVER EVEN TRIED?! You drink because it tastes good? Yeah right. ::)
Alcohol use is escapism. No one drinks because it tastes good.
My friend is on them and he told me how it feels when he was without them for 2 days, it felt rly rly bad. He started to use them from low selfesteem problems that could've well have been solved from taking things as they are and having a strong mind and some fucking dick :D
When you take cocain you feel like women want you, you just wone the lottery and you're a god king- this was told to me by another friend of mine who has taken pure cocaine. And it sounds good because I'm very egoistical guy :D, and looks cool in the movies.
And I drink alcohol when I'm cheerfull when I have a reason to party... I never drink alone, neverh ave drank alone because i don't get the point... why be drunk alone... it does taste good but so does energy drinks, personally I get more drunk from them :D
Psychedelic drugs to "cure depressioN" is bullshit.
I'm bitter and angry alot, and I bitch and moan very loudly and I let it all out... but I would never do illsuionary crap like that and try to escape reality with drugs
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My friend is on them and he told me how it feels when he was without them for 2 days, it felt rly rly bad. He started to use them from low selfesteem problems that could've well have been solved from taking things as they are and having a strong mind and some fucking dick :D
When you take cocain you feel like women want you, you just wone the lottery and you're a god king- this was told to me by another friend of mine who has taken pure cocaine. And it sounds good because I'm very egoistical guy :D, and looks cool in the movies.
And I drink alcohol when I'm cheerfull when I have a reason to party... I never drink alone, neverh ave drank alone because i don't get the point... why be drunk alone... it does taste good but so does energy drinks, personally I get more drunk from them :D
Psychedelic drugs to "cure depressioN" is bullshit.
You're are the sofa king for sure.
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You're are the sofa king for sure.
I added the last line about me bitching about my "problems"
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I added the last line about me bitching about my "problems"
Inspiring
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I`ve been on meds for chronic depression and anxiety for years now.
Actually,they never really helped me much.
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I`ve been on meds for chronic depression and anxiety for years now.
Actually,they never really helped me much.
ever try a therapist?
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Drugs only treat the symptoms and not the cause.
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yeah brother wiggs, I was on lexapro, xanax, klonopin for years due to severe anxiety and panic attacks. I weaned myself off and have been totally clean from that stuff for over 2 years. it was a brutal process, and a character builder to say the least.. but things are much better these days.
if you need someone to talk to regarding the subject, feel free to hit me up via pm.
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ever try a therapist?
I'll take TheRapist for $200
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www.antidepressant.com (http://www.meatspin.com/)
dont click
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Drugs only treat the symptoms and not the cause.
exactly!
It seems so many of you use drugs just to communicate... big names of getbig; "Oh yeah, i use them, everyone does"... really?
I have posted bitter and angry posts and they were all true, it seems that you people don't want to face these filthy feelings of life and deal them alone. You want to even escape them, but you can't rly escape them.
You have no spine and you have no mind... take things as they are, embrace pain and negativity because they are real aswell, that's the essence of the world, not love. Love is for the rich and famous. You gotta make your own love. Love for yourself and embrace yourself. Only that way you may get rid of your depression.
I can't imagine me losing my mind from anything... maby if I killed my mom or watched as people slaughter my mom and force me to smile at the same time or they would kill all of my relatives... maby THEN I would need something to help me escape my emotions, but I FUCKING GUARANTEE that all of you who are depressed can't even deal regular negative emotions.
Your lack of willpower sickens me >:(
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A moron who shoots roids and smokes dope every day, is unemployed and sits at home all day on the computer and wonders why he's depressed ::) idiot
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A moron who shoots roids and smokes dope every day, is unemployed and sits at home all day on the computer and wonders why he's depressed ::) idiot
Good point.
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Drugs only treat the symptoms and not the cause.
That's the frustrating thing about it, is that there are many times when things are fine, good family, job, money, good friends but still overwhelming anxiety/depression, and logically know that things are good.
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Personally I prefer alcohol... or cocaine... never tried cocaine but I can imagine that is a right drug for me to take few times a year.
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Bullshit..You tried coke and liked it.
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Bullshit..You tried coke and liked it.
Of course she has. Who doesn't like coke?
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... but I would never do illsuionary crap like that and try to escape reality with drugs
There's nothing necessarily wrong with escapism, as long as you're not fooling yourself and know that this is what you're doing. As a Satanist you should know this. :D
When you're drinking you're escaping reality no matter what you say. And if you did take cocaine the confidence boost and the other emotions would not be "real". It would be illusory. Don't fool yourself. ;)
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Of course she has. Who doesn't like coke?
He has talked about liking coke several times..However, he has never tried it.. ;)
I don't really like coke, i just like the smell of it.
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But... There are such things as chemical imbalances within the brain, and at those times drug therapy can work quite well. This is especially true with schizophrenics. And I guess that it's true that those who suffer from anxiety and/or depression could have chemical imbalances in the brain as well.
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When you're drinking you're escaping reality no matter what you say. And if you did take cocaine the confidence boost and the other emotions would not be "real". It would be illusory. Don't fool yourself. ;)
That shit is good though ain 't it?
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There's nothing necessarily wrong with escapism, as long as you're not fooling yourself and know that this is what you're doing. As a Satanist you should know this. :D
When you're drinking you're escaping reality no matter what you say. And if you did take cocaine the confidence boost and the other emotions would not be "real". It would be illusory. Don't fool yourself. ;)
It's like arguing with a child.
Wait ...
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why would you guys mess with coke? Isn't it highly addictive?
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why would you guys mess with coke? Isn't it highly addictive?
Only for the weak-minded.
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Only for the weak-minded.
Exactly,
Anyone who ever says that coke is addicting has never tried opiates...
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There's nothing necessarily wrong with escapism, as long as you're not fooling yourself and know that this is what you're doing. As a Satanist you should know this. :D
When you're drinking you're escaping reality no matter what you say. And if you did take cocaine the confidence boost and the other emotions would not be "real". It would be illusory. Don't fool yourself. ;)
Lol, moron ::). I know america is selling anti depressants even if you are sad from your breake up, but in the real world people deal with feelings... ever dealt with feelings? You should deal with them.
Once you deal with your emotions you become very strong individual even if you might be bitter, you are never depressed. You're maby angry, but not depressed. You're maby vengefull but not depressed.
I like the buzz alcohol gives, in a good company, it's a party drink but not to escape emotions :P, nothing is. Cocaine is an "image" thing... I want to snort in my nose when I see the scene in "American psycho" when they take it, something makes me want to do it... not because I'm depressed :P. never tried it, but this march if i go to venezuela my friend told me i can get it as much as i want, wopeee!
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Bullshit..You tried coke and liked it.
I will like it next march when I go to venezuela if i go there 8)... but not to escape any "feelings", any substance I take is because I want to know how it feels.
If I want to fix my problem, I will go to the root of my problem and fix REALLY fix it in this reality, not in drugy hallusinate reality
That's the frustrating thing about it, is that there are many times when things are fine, good family, job, money, good friends but still overwhelming anxiety/depression, and logically know that things are good.
yeah so what's the truth then, tell me ::)
you got every posession of the world and you have loving friends and a good sex life.... and you are depressed.... what is the truth?
lier.
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Exactly,
Anyone who ever says that coke is addicting has never tried opiates...
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why would you guys mess with coke? Isn't it highly addictive?
Nothing like Snorting coke and having a pussy next to you.. 8)
I mean i never tried it. However, it looks cool in the movies.
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from what i've seen in people who i know personally, anti-depressants just change who you are.. they just didn't seem to care anymore, never get excited over anything, just living a plain normal life with no problems.. someone died? oh well... that type of shit, no feelings at all...
but depression can lead to suicide and that's where the problem is and it's happend to a lot of people..
ps: if you know someone who is depressed, try and help them out as much as possible, you feel very lonely when depressed
you basically have a friend for life because you were there for them when they were depressed.
very very serious issue and lots of people underestimate it
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Nothing like Snorting coke and having a pussy next to you.. 8)
I mean i never tried it. However, it looks cool in the movies.
This ^ Makes me glad I am an older, wiser man because that is a true statement.
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the only "drug" i have used is weed... and it sucked... I either laugh 4 hours hystericly and then vomit 2 days worth of food out of me and look like a zombie.... or I get motionless and feelingless and pass out.
never again for me :-X
For example I'm afraid to even approach ecstasy or LSD or any other psychedelic drug... they will FUCK you up for good I'm positive about it. My friend told some very akward and bad stories about ecs it and I don't whanan go there.
But now I have a chanse to try coke and i will try coke... and I think I will like it because it won't decrease anything in my, and it won't have negative side effx 8)... with coke you are still "you", only godself of you... almsot like drinking coffee at the right time of the day you get that nostalgic feeling... but you are still you.
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i am against ALL NARCOTICS
some of my friends smoke weed and they get slower and more retarded as the years pass on
trust me, for all you retard weed smokers whove been smoking up feeling all nice and shit youre time is coming
AND DONT SAY NO BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY CANT SEE IT YOURSELF.
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i am against ALL NARCOTICS
some of my friends smoke weed and they get slower and more retarded as the years pass on
trust me, for all you retard weed smokers whove been smoking up feeling all nice and shit youre time is coming
AND DONT SAY NO BECAUSE YOU OBVIOUSLY CANT SEE IT YOURSELF.
weed is not for men... kills your dick, kills your feelings, kills your senses.
cocain emphasises your manhood and that is why I want to try it :P... and in venezuela it's 100% pure... i can't wait for it.
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Lol, moron ::). I know america is selling anti depressants even if you are sad from your breake up, but in the real world people deal with feelings... ever dealt with feelings? You should deal with them.
I'm not an American. I speak your language broski. ;)
You are a child. A child with psychopathic tendencies. Psychopaths don't get depressed either, but they sure love drugs. :D
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Yes, ive been on medication for 5 years, CURRENTLY, I take Trazadone 50mg and Prozac 40mg. There was another Thread about " ANTIDEPRESSANTS" a while back that i left a good post on, maybe someone can find it. Yes yes, i have anxiety and depression BUT.............i have OTHER mental disorders/illness' that CAUSE Anxiety and depression. EVERYBODY has a little anxiety from " everyday life" and gets a little depressed now and then, that is absolutely normal, BUT when it comes to having real bad anxiety,panic attacks, depression from OTHER mental disorders, you need medication. Like ive said before, you cant have Brain Surgery or just " put a bandaid " on mental illness'...... thats EXACTLY what Medications are for.
And just like G101 just said. DEPRESSION ALONE is serious, people Commit Suicide simply for being DEPRESSED.
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it won't decrease anything in my, and it won't have negative side effx 8)... with coke you are still "you", only godself of you... almsot like drinking coffee at the right time of the day you get that nostalgic feeling... but you are still you.
This is like Goodrum lecturing on pussy.
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This is like Goodrum lecturing on pussy.
LOL exactly. I've never done coke either so you won't see me telling anyone how you feel on coke.
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I'm not an American. I speak your language broski. ;)
You are a child. A child with psychopathic tendencies. Psychopaths don't get depressed either, but they sure love drugs. :D
What is so bad about using drugs? Using anti depressants because you are too afraid to deal with your own fuck ups is WEAK! People should confront the mirror everyday and search eevry negativity they can find and deal with them. Just look how many here shiver when they are asked to do so :-\
I'm not against drugs if you use them for ego trips, but if you openly admit to use them to escape your problems I think it's the wrong motive.´
cocaine is as far as i will go with my drug use.... I don't want to fuck up my brain
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What is so bad about using drugs? Using anti depressants because you are too afraid to deal with your own fuck ups is WEAK!
You have any idea how stupid you sound?
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Your moms on anti depressants.
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cocaine is as far as i will go with my drug use.... I don't want to fuck up my brain
agreed bro. cocaine is as far as any man should go. leave the hard stuff to the real junkies out there ;D
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What is so bad about using drugs? Using anti depressants because you are too afraid to deal with your own fuck ups is WEAK! People should confront the mirror everyday and search eevry negativity they can find and deal with them. Just look how many here shiver when they are asked to do so :-\
I'm not against drugs if you use them for ego trips, but if you openly admit to use them to escape your problems I think it's the wrong motive.´
cocaine is as far as i will go with my drug use.... I don't want to fuck up my brain
Here's news for you: all drugs "fuck up" your brain. Alcohol and cocaine included. You think you can mess with the chemistry and not change the wiring?
You're too young and obviously have done no research on mental illness, not seen any really depressed people or people suffering from debilitating anxiety. It's much more complex than saying that "butch the fuck up" is the solution and realistic cure in all cases.
Yes antidepressant use has negative effects, are over-prescribed, but they can also save lives. Now maybe you think some of these people should just kill themselves for being weak, but that's another discussion.
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depression is one of the hardest things to get over....
everyone thinks it's a joke until it's too late..
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You have any idea how stupid you sound?
my friend is on anti depressants from the dumbest reason I have ever heard.
From something so little as being too blond for girls to see him manly and attractive, he is out of shape and has a small penis... girls don't like him for that. and he fucked up in the army and people laughed at him. That is why he started using anti depressants... he takes everything personally and and every time we go out he starts to talk shit again how bad he looks etc ::)
He can fix all those problems if he truly wants... WITHOUT that wimp drug!
Once you start taking those anti depressants you can't just go out of them because they have fucked up your mind allready, you have to steadily quit them little by little, which allready sounds horrid in my ears :o
People should just take things as they are, not everyone was meant to glow in the dark, deal with it. Drugs won't help.
I dont' think people should kill themselves, but to DEAL wit hthe problems, do you even read what i said about the looking in the mirror ::) and I allready mentioned about my friends... but ofcourse I must be making all this up... maby you're just a imaginery troll I'm talking with, you sure as hell act like it.
what can be so complex... lol... lieing, that's what it is.
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my friend is on anti depressants from the dumbest reason I have ever heard.
From something so little as being too blond for girls to see him manly and attractive, he is out of shape and has a small penis... girls don't like him for that. and he fucked up in the army and people laughed at him. That is why he started using anti depressants... he takes everything personally and and every time we go out he starts to talk shit again how bad he looks etc ::)
He can fix all those problems if he truly wants... WITHOUT that wimp drug!
Once you start taking those anti depressants you can't just go out of them because they have fucked up your mind allready, you have to steadily quit them little by little, which allready sounds horrid in my ears :o
People should just take things as they are, not everyone was meant to glow in the dark, deal with it. Drugs won't help.
I dont' think people should kill themselves, but to DEAL wit hthe problems, do you even read what i said about the looking in the mirror ::) and I allready mentioned about my friends... but ofcourse I must be making all this up... maby you're just a imaginery troll I'm talking with, you sure as hell act like it.
what can be so complex... lol... lieing, that's what it is.
Don't be such a fag, k?
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If someone has a 'strong mind' wouldn't they be able to have 'ego trips' at will without having to use cocaine?
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If someone has a 'strong mind' wouldn't they be able to have 'ego trips' at will without having to use cocaine?
ofcourse, the same can be said about sports, posting nude pics of one self and showing people how they can dance to charm women... strip teasing etc...
... all without drugs, but if you have the need for attention, what are you? Egoistic and selfish and having a need to be accepted and "cool"...
So what is the truth? Go sit under a tree for 20 years and meditate? No thanks :D, I enjoy my life as much as I can... but I won't escape my bad feelings with illusionary wimp shit! And i'm not a mormon either so I'm not evil if I want to try something, but my motives are truly differend from yours.
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I dont' think people should kill themselves, but to DEAL wit hthe problems, do you even read what i said about the looking in the mirror ::) and I allready mentioned about my friends... but ofcourse I must be making all this up... maby you're just a imaginery troll I'm talking with, you sure as hell act like it.
what can be so complex... lol... lieing, that's what it is.
What you think people should do is irrelevant. We know many will not, or can't, deal with their problems your way. So it's either give them drugs or let them suffer or even die. Some depression issues are very organic and those can't always be cured by "willpower". It's out of their voluntary control.
You are very naive and ignorant on this subject. Which is understandable knowing your age.
BTW, Finns must be some weak ass people seeing the prevalence of suicide and depression and alcoholism.
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What you think people should do is irrelevant. We know many will not, or can't, deal with their problems your way. So it's either give them drugs or let them suffer or even die. Some depression issues are very organic and those can't always be cured by "willpower". It's out of their voluntary control.
You are very naive and ignorant on this subject. Which is understandable knowing your age.
BTW, Finns must be some weak ass people seeing the prevalence of suicide and depression and alcoholism.
Yeah the depression is ridiculous here, most of these people need to be slapped in the face so fucking hard they bleed and yell WAKE UP!!! End of depression... most of these "I need anti depressant" people are depressed for their social problems because they don't have the god damn balls to admit it. The depression here is purely due social reasons and cultural fuckery. But these kind of so called problems (which they aren't) are easily dealt with the mind.
You're right about the organic reason for being depressed, that's another story... then you're plain fucked.
Other than that you should get your head up and stand tall, stop being a weak minded robot.
age is very irrelevant, and secondly very simple attempt to just make me agree with your dumb ass views lol the "age"
Anyway, you said you speak my language, but then used "finns must be...", so are you finnish or not?
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You can't just alter chemicals in your brain yourself. If your brain doesn't product normal amounts of serotonin, among other mood related chemicals, you will need prescription anti-depressants. Unless you want to walk around miserable all day. This person is not weak minded, he simply doesn't have his brain supporting him. Some people have naturally more serotonin than others, and some people don't and are fuked unless they get help.
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You can't just alter chemicals in your brain yourself. If your brain doesn't product normal amounts of serotonin, among other mood related chemicals, you will need prescription anti-depressants. Unless you want to walk around miserable all day. This person is not weak minded, he simply doesn't have his brain supporting him. Some people have naturally more serotonin than others, and some people don't and are fuked unless they get help.
THIS is true, completely if it's due genetics. But what Van_Bilderass said was completelely irrelevant. He thinks it's ok to take them if you just have a bad mood or are too much of a pussy. he also claims I think taking drugs is a taboo ::).. NOTHING is taboo in my oppinion, nothing is sacred eccept ones self.
But to take shit to escape your bad emotions for somebody giving you a bad comment = STUPID!
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Your moms on anti depressants.
now that's a genius statement ::)
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Yeah the depression is ridiculous here, most of these people need to be slapped in the face so fucking hard they bleed and yell WAKE UP!!! End of depression... most of these "I need anti depressant" people are depressed for their social problems because they don't have the god damn balls to admit it. The depression here is purely due social reasons and cultural fuckery.
You're right about the organic reason for being depressed, that's another story... then you're fucked.
Other than that you should get your head up and stand tall, stop being a weak minded robot.
lol, age ::), very irrelevant, and secondly very simple attempt to just make me agree with your dumb ass views :D, lol "age"
Anyway, you said you speak my language, but then used finns must be...", so are you finnish or not?
I had a Serbian friend who told me that in his country any man who said they were depressed would be beaten up for being a pussy. Another friend, a Lebanese one, said in his country there's no such thing as depression. The truth of course is that depression occurs everywhere but are dealt with differently. It's just not talked about, you keep your mouth shut and maybe shoot yourself if it becomes unbearable. Both later had mental issues which made them change their views a bit.
Age does have a lot to do with it. Most people have an episode of depression in their lifetime. If you haven't experienced it you may not understand it fully.
100% Suomalainen. Yeah "we" are known for being a depressed people. I remember a 60 minutes episode where it was said Finland is the most depressed country in the world and then showed people standing at the bus stop looking grim and morose. :D
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THIS is true, completely if it's due genetics. But what Van_Bilderass said was completelely irrelevant. He thinks it's ok to take them if you just have a bad mood or are too much of a pussy. he also claims I think taking drugs is a taboo ::).. NOTHING is taboo in my oppinion, nothing is sacred eccept ones self.
But to take shit to escape your bad emotions for somebody giving you a bad comment = STUPID!
Where the fuck did I say it's ok to take them for normal bad mood? I specifically said they are over-prescribed. The way I see it, if you go to the doc asking for them there's a big change you have more than regular bad mood. After all, who likes taking these drugs? There's still some negative stigma in taking them.
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Your moms on anti depressants.
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now that's a genius statement ::)
Oh brother.
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Where the fuck did I say it's ok to take them for normal bad mood? I specifically said they are over-prescribed. The way I see it, if you go to the doc asking for them there's a big change you have more than regular bad mood. After all, who likes taking these drugs? There's still some negative stigma in taking them.
Exactly, annoying when you ignore ones post, right? I was just testing ye.
I had a Serbian friend who told me that in his country any man who said they were depressed would be beaten up for being a pussy. Another friend, a Lebanese one, said in his country there's no such thing as depression. The truth of course is that depression occurs everywhere but are dealt with differently. It's just not talked about, you keep your mouth shut and maybe shoot yourself if it becomes unbearable. Both later had mental issues which made them change their views a bit.
Age does have a lot to do with it. Most people have an episode of depression in their lifetime. If you haven't experienced it you may not understand it fully.
100% Suomalainen. Yeah "we" are known for being a depressed people. I remember a 60 minutes episode where it was said Finland is the most depressed country in the world and then showed people standing at the bus stop looking grim and morose. :D
I HAVE been incredibly depressed in my life, but I found my way out of it completely and without friends, so I know exactly what I'm talking about... age has nothing to do with it because there are men 30+ like Wiggs who are depressed. And lol still at Wiggs from all the people....
And you had very bad examples once again to "proof my methods wrong", because my methods are nothing like that. I allready said only like couple'a houndred times that one must face the feelings and deal with the feelings and speak out loud.
I think it's because that's the way I have been raised to allways show my emotions and I have allways done so...
I give you an example why age can't be an issue here.
You said I have my psychopathic tendencies, right? You musted read my satan worshiping extreme religion hating posts, right? Then my hatered suddenly focuses on women, right? Well now I'm extremely sexist and extremely proud when dealing with a woman, I rather "be right" than to have a woman spread her legs because my pride has gone way up with female relations. So you see I have phases but any man in ANY age group can have same thoughts. The biggest satanists and sexists started from pre teens all the way to their graves, only getting more convinsed of their philosophys towards their end.
But you know why I'm "really" sexist? I can't get laid... that's the reason... what should I do? Well I have to change who I am by working harder... you see I dont' want to get laid once a month... I want good looking women jump on my dick every week.
Anyways, yeah there is negative stigma in taking anti depressants because the truth is most of these people on these drugs are just lazy carcasses! Then there are the few who are truly unfortunate...
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Age can be a factor due to decreased testosterone levels. People with good natural test levels are generally happier people, so researchers say.
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Age can be a factor due to decreased testosterone levels. People with good natural test levels are generally happier people, so researchers say.
True... maby I got older faster then :D... after all, we live for food/water/shiting/pissing/fucking
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No. Looked into them but decided against it. I didn't like the reports of discontinuation problems (and other sides) with SS(ND)RIs. Also, it's hard to imagine the people I've known who take them as being much worse off if they'd never taken them in the first place. MAOIs and TCAs sounded like a pain in the ass and no one prescribes them anymore. Benzos are hard to get prescribed long term, but all they do is make me sleepy anyway. Still have half a bottle of 30 or so left in the bathroom cabinet from over 2 years ago.
None of the doctors I spoke to inspired much confidence. Their pharmacological knowledge was piss poor. None recorded statistics on their patients' problems or progress with a given drug. None could offer any insight on trials without rummaging for a desk reference. I had the impression that they were just prescribing whatever the drug company rep was pushing.
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No. Looked into them but decided against it. I didn't like the reports of discontinuation problems (and other sides) with SS(ND)RIs. Also, it's hard to imagine the people I've known who take them as being much worse off if they'd never taken them in the first place. MAOIs and TCAs sounded like a pain in the ass and no one prescribes them anymore. Benzos are hard to get prescribed long term, but all they do is make me sleepy anyway. Still have half a bottle of 30 or so left in the bathroom cabinet from over 2 years ago.
None of the doctors I spoke to inspired much confidence. Their pharmacological knowledge was piss poor. None recorded statistics on their patients' problems or progress with a given drug. None could offer any insight on trials without rummaging for a desk reference. I had the impression that they were just prescribing whatever the drug company rep was pushing.
QFT....
there is no SHORTCUTS except inside trading in wallstreet or robing a bank etc...
but dealing with emotions, there is no shortcuts... you gotta chew, swallow and you gotta taste it
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QFT....
there is no SHORTCUTS except inside trading in wallstreet or robing a bank etc...
but dealing with emotions, there is no shortcuts... you gotta chew, swallow and you gotta taste it
You never heard of the Efficient Market Hypothesis...Some experts think you can't even beat the market with inside information..When i say the Market i mean the S&P500..
Insider trading doesn't always guarantee success..
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Oh brother.
His mother and his brother ? ???
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I’ve taken a lot of Prozac, Paxil, Wellbutrin, Ritalin, … I’ve also studied the religions and philosophies, but cheerfulness kept breaking through
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an internet community of bodybuilders with emotional problems, debilitating anxiety, and drug dependency
what a shocking turn of events
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Well sh!t dude, didn't you know that "bodybuilders" are some of the most mentally fvcked up people on dis planet?
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an internet community of bodybuilders with emotional problems, debilitating anxiety, and drug dependency
what a shocking turn of events
lmao great post
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Many neurotransmitter imbalances can be corrected by using nutrients such as Tyrosine or phenylalanine..having good doses of b-vitamins, taking 5-htp tryptophan, acetyl-L-carnitine etc....these nutrients stimulate your own production of dopamine, nor-epinephrine, acetacholine and serotonin. The drugs artificially raise the levels of your brain chemicals with often horrific side effects. Of course since most medical doctors are completely ignorant of nutrition and the pharmaceutical companies make more profit peddling their drugs, most people will never know any alternatives. Many people have seizures, incredible anxiety, insomnia and commit suicide on anti-depressants and benzodiazapene drugs. And withdrawals can be nightmarish.
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Many neurotransmitter imbalances can be corrected by using nutrients such as Tyrosine or phenylalanine..having good doses of b-vitamins, taking 5-htp tryptophan, acetyl-L-carnitine etc....these nutrients stimulate your own production of dopamine, nor-epinephrine, acetacholine and serotonin. The drugs artificially raise the levels of your brain chemicals with often horrific side effects. Of course since most medical doctors are completely ignorant of nutrition and the pharmaceutical companies make more profit peddling their drugs, most people will never know any alternatives. Many people have seizures, incredible anxiety, insomnia and commit suicide on anti-depressants and benzodiazapene drugs. And withdrawals can be nightmarish.
its not always that simple. in fact most of the time its not. neurtransmitter imbalances arent caused by having a lack of the stuff you need to produce them. thats a rare case.
not that drugs are always necessary. they can be very helpful though.
no matter what, the person needs to decide to feel better, or else no amount of drug will ever cure them. at least not in the long run.
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Many neurotransmitter imbalances can be corrected by using nutrients such as Tyrosine or phenylalanine..having good doses of b-vitamins, taking 5-htp tryptophan, acetyl-L-carnitine etc....these nutrients stimulate your own production of dopamine, nor-epinephrine, acetacholine and serotonin. The drugs artificially raise the levels of your brain chemicals with often horrific side effects. Of course since most medical doctors are completely ignorant of nutrition and the pharmaceutical companies make more profit peddling their drugs, most people will never know any alternatives. Many people have seizures, incredible anxiety, insomnia and commit suicide on anti-depressants and benzodiazapene drugs. And withdrawals can be nightmarish.
Yes but what is the difference between a "food supplement" and a drug? If those supplements affect neurochemistry and mood they are strictly speaking drugs. There are tons of vitamins, amino acids, etc drugs in the PDR. A huge amount of drugs are found naturally in nature. There are herbs/amino acids attaching to the benzodiazepine receptor complex. There are herbs/amino-acids causing inhibition of serotonin re-uptake and on and on.
There is no hard line between a nutrient and a drug. If the "food supplement" supplies a nutrient in a form/dosage not possible to ingest through normal diet it's more drug than food supplement IMO.
As far as what's causing depression, I'm not sure if it's even been proven that most depressed have an imbalance as such or a lack of neurotransmitter. It's not definitely known why/how many of the anti-depressant drugs really work their magic.
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Yes but what is the difference between a "food supplement" and a drug? If those supplements affect neurochemistry and mood they are strictly speaking drugs. There are tons of vitamins, amino acids, etc drugs in the PDR. A huge amount of drugs are found naturally in nature. There are herbs/amino acids attaching to the benzodiazepine receptor complex. There are herbs/amino-acids causing inhibition of serotonin re-uptake and on and on.
There is no hard line between a nutrient and a drug. If the "food supplement" supplies a nutrient in a form/dosage not possible to ingest through normal diet it's more drug than food supplement IMO.
As far as what's causing depression, I'm not sure if it's even been proven that most depressed have an imbalance as such or a lack of neurotransmitter. It's not definitely known why/how many of the anti-depressant drugs really work their magic.
This article below is just an example from a Dr. Whitcomb. If you search the net, you will find many others that share a similar philosophy.
Anxiety and depression may be the result of shortages of key brain chemicals that can be restored naturally. Give the brain the amino acids it needs and feel your mind start to glow again.
If you're one of the millions who suffer from anxiety or depression, the next time you reach for the Valium or Prozac, consider amino acids as an alternative instead. these protein building blocks may be the key to reversing long-standing anxiety and depression, according to Harold Whitcomb, M.D., and biochemical nutritionist Phyllis Bronson. They regularly prescribe amino acids for their clients at the Aspen (Colorado) Clinic for Preventive and Environmental Medicine.
Mood, behavior, and brain biochemistry are intricately linked. Depression and anxiety may be the result of flawed message-sending in the biochemical brain, flawed because key brain chemicals called neurotransmitters are in short supply. They're short because the body's amino acid pool (from which they're made) is itself low.
Shore up the amino acid pool with the deficient or missing elements and you start seeing dramatic improvements in both depression and anxiety, report Whitcomb and Bronson. "By using supplements of the amino acids that make up specific neurotransmitters, you can actually change the nature and intensity of the brain messages they carry and thus the emotions they affect."
Even better, you don't get the roster of serious side effects commonly associated with standard medications. These can typically include blurred vision, increased heart rate, low blood pressure, nausea, headaches, constipation, memory loss, impaired concentration, and fogginess. In contrast, the clinical use of amino acids produces no side effects or health risks and generates better, more lasting healing results, says Bronson.
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hope this helps :D
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A 24 hour urine amino acid test is one of the best tests to evaluate nutritional factors contributing to depression. If this is not feasible, a first morning urine collection or a plasma amino acid done fasting in the AM would be alternatives. The urine amino acid will reflect digestive issues in the gut that are interfering with proper digestion of protein and the absorption and assimilation of amino acids. “Comprehensive stool analysis and parasitology” is a good companion test when digestive problems become apparent by an abnormal urine amino acid pattern. The finding of other abnormal amino acid patterns can be a guide to the identification and treatment of vitamin and mineral deficiencies, which can be causal to metabolic and cellular biochemistry impairments.
Looking for deficiencies in amino acid precursors of neurotransmitters can be of great value, such as L-Tryptophan, which makes 5-HTP, which in turn makes the important neurotransmitter Serotonin. Common signs of Serotonin deficiencies are restless or impaired sleep, depressed mood most of day, reduced pleasure in activities, fatigue, negative and obsessive thoughts, irritability, anxiety, difficulty concentrating and making decisions, feelings of worthlessness and guilt, suicidal thoughts, and carbohydrate craving. L-Tyrosine can also be measured. This forms the Catecholamines (Dopamine, Nor-Epinephrine and Epinephrine) and thyroid hormone. Common signs of Catecholamine deficiencies are feeling easily bored, apathetic, low energy most of time, difficulty focusing and poor concentration, tendency to put on weight easily, drawn to uppers as caffeine for energy, loss of enthusiasm, and depressed mood.
The amino acid analysis report comes with a suggested amino acid replacement formula that can be compounded for the patient by using easily absorbed crystalline amino acids. If levels of amino acids fall in the normal range, but the patient presents with evidence of Serotonin or Catecholamine deficiencies, one can add additional amounts of L-Tyrosine or 5-HTP to the formula. A larger percentage of 5-HTP gets to the brain and is converted to Serotonin; where as the larger percentage of L-Tryptophan is utilized outside of the brain. As there appears to be a reciprocal relationship between neurotransmitters in maintaining a balance and equilibrium, to help build up Serotonin you may need to also add Catecholamine precursors as they seem to be needed to help the body retain Serotonin. Adequate Serotonin levels are also needed to regulated Catecholamine levels. Much depends on the patient’s symptoms and presentation in making these decisions. If signs of catecholamine excess, as increased anxiety, sleep difficulties or excessive stimulation, GABA enhancers as Taurine and Glutamine, along with necessary vitamin and mineral co-factors can be added.
Other tests, currently in research and development, measure the amount of excreted neurotransmitter levels in the urine. This is felt to be an indirect indicator of systemic and brain levels, and also a possible guide to amino acid replacement. Organic acids testing will measure the metabolites of neurotransmitters in the urine, but it is hard to relate this to what the actual brain levels might be as most Serotonin for example is made in the gut. Correcting neurotransmitter imbalances with amino acids – alone, or in combination with the correction of other identified contributing factors or sometimes in conjunction with medication – has the potential for relief of other conditions in addition to anxiety and depression such as obesity, migraines, insomnia, obsessive-compulsive problems, PMS, attention deficit disorder (ADD), fatigue and fibromyalgia.
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This article below is just an example from a Dr. Whitcomb. If you search the net, you will find many others that share a similar philosophy.
Anxiety and depression may be the result of shortages of key brain chemicals that can be restored naturally. Give the brain the amino acids it needs and feel your mind start to glow again.
If you're one of the millions who suffer from anxiety or depression, the next time you reach for the Valium or Prozac, consider amino acids as an alternative instead. these protein building blocks may be the key to reversing long-standing anxiety and depression, according to Harold Whitcomb, M.D., and biochemical nutritionist Phyllis Bronson. They regularly prescribe amino acids for their clients at the Aspen (Colorado) Clinic for Preventive and Environmental Medicine.
Mood, behavior, and brain biochemistry are intricately linked. Depression and anxiety may be the result of flawed message-sending in the biochemical brain, flawed because key brain chemicals called neurotransmitters are in short supply. They're short because the body's amino acid pool (from which they're made) is itself low.
Shore up the amino acid pool with the deficient or missing elements and you start seeing dramatic improvements in both depression and anxiety, report Whitcomb and Bronson. "By using supplements of the amino acids that make up specific neurotransmitters, you can actually change the nature and intensity of the brain messages they carry and thus the emotions they affect."
Even better, you don't get the roster of serious side effects commonly associated with standard medications. These can typically include blurred vision, increased heart rate, low blood pressure, nausea, headaches, constipation, memory loss, impaired concentration, and fogginess. In contrast, the clinical use of amino acids produces no side effects or health risks and generates better, more lasting healing results, says Bronson.
Yes but singular aminos used in significant quantities are drugs. They can also have side effects. Take someone with panic anxiety and load him up with phenylalanine and watch what happens.
Vitamins can also be drugs. Take Niaspan for example. Even fish oil can be seen as a drug. See Lovaza. Both of them can cause side effects also.
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More:
A 24 hour urine amino acid test is one of the best tests to evaluate nutritional factors contributing to depression. If this is not feasible, a first morning urine collection or a plasma amino acid done fasting in the AM would be alternatives. The urine amino acid will reflect digestive issues in the gut that are interfering with proper digestion of protein and the absorption and assimilation of amino acids. “Comprehensive stool analysis and parasitology” is a good companion test when digestive problems become apparent by an abnormal urine amino acid pattern. The finding of other abnormal amino acid patterns can be a guide to the identification and treatment of vitamin and mineral deficiencies, which can be causal to metabolic and cellular biochemistry impairments.
Looking for deficiencies in amino acid precursors of neurotransmitters can be of great value, such as L-Tryptophan, which makes 5-HTP, which in turn makes the important neurotransmitter Serotonin. Common signs of Serotonin deficiencies are restless or impaired sleep, depressed mood most of day, reduced pleasure in activities, fatigue, negative and obsessive thoughts, irritability, anxiety, difficulty concentrating and making decisions, feelings of worthlessness and guilt, suicidal thoughts, and carbohydrate craving. L-Tyrosine can also be measured. This forms the Catecholamines (Dopamine, Nor-Epinephrine and Epinephrine) and thyroid hormone. Common signs of Catecholamine deficiencies are feeling easily bored, apathetic, low energy most of time, difficulty focusing and poor concentration, tendency to put on weight easily, drawn to uppers as caffeine for energy, loss of enthusiasm, and depressed mood.
The amino acid analysis report comes with a suggested amino acid replacement formula that can be compounded for the patient by using easily absorbed crystalline amino acids. If levels of amino acids fall in the normal range, but the patient presents with evidence of Serotonin or Catecholamine deficiencies, one can add additional amounts of L-Tyrosine or 5-HTP to the formula. A larger percentage of 5-HTP gets to the brain and is converted to Serotonin; where as the larger percentage of L-Tryptophan is utilized outside of the brain. As there appears to be a reciprocal relationship between neurotransmitters in maintaining a balance and equilibrium, to help build up Serotonin you may need to also add Catecholamine precursors as they seem to be needed to help the body retain Serotonin. Adequate Serotonin levels are also needed to regulated Catecholamine levels. Much depends on the patient’s symptoms and presentation in making these decisions. If signs of catecholamine excess, as increased anxiety, sleep difficulties or excessive stimulation, GABA enhancers as Taurine and Glutamine, along with necessary vitamin and mineral co-factors can be added.
Other tests, currently in research and development, measure the amount of excreted neurotransmitter levels in the urine. This is felt to be an indirect indicator of systemic and brain levels, and also a possible guide to amino acid replacement. Organic acids testing will measure the metabolites of neurotransmitters in the urine, but it is hard to relate this to what the actual brain levels might be as most Serotonin for example is made in the gut. Correcting neurotransmitter imbalances with amino acids – alone, or in combination with the correction of other identified contributing factors or sometimes in conjunction with medication – has the potential for relief of other conditions in addition to anxiety and depression such as obesity, migraines, insomnia, obsessive-compulsive problems, PMS, attention deficit disorder (ADD), fatigue and fibromyalgia.
Cool. I thought I was the only one on here that was into this stuff. I think to answer the question of what's the difference between a drug and a nutrient is...that nutrients provide pre-cursors or building blocks for certain bodily processes (such as tryptophan producing serotonin) where as most prescription drugs substitute or replace a bodily process (anti-depresant inhibiting re-uptake of serotonin).
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Yes but singular aminos used in significant quantities are drugs. They can also have side effects. Take someone with panic anxiety and load him up with phenylalanine and watch what happens.
Vitamins can also be drugs. Take Niaspan for example. Even fish oil can be seen as a drug. See Lovaza. Both of them can cause side effects also.
You're correct about that..even tiny amounts of phenylalanine make me edgy and hyper. You have to start with a small dose to gauge your sensitivity.
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A 24 hour urine amino acid test is one of the best tests to evaluate nutritional factors contributing to depression. If this is not feasible, a first morning urine collection or a plasma amino acid done fasting in the AM would be alternatives. The urine amino acid will reflect digestive issues in the gut that are interfering with proper digestion of protein and the absorption and assimilation of amino acids. “Comprehensive stool analysis and parasitology” is a good companion test when digestive problems become apparent by an abnormal urine amino acid pattern. The finding of other abnormal amino acid patterns can be a guide to the identification and treatment of vitamin and mineral deficiencies, which can be causal to metabolic and cellular biochemistry impairments.
Looking for deficiencies in amino acid precursors of neurotransmitters can be of great value, such as L-Tryptophan, which makes 5-HTP, which in turn makes the important neurotransmitter Serotonin. Common signs of Serotonin deficiencies are restless or impaired sleep, depressed mood most of day, reduced pleasure in activities, fatigue, negative and obsessive thoughts, irritability, anxiety, difficulty concentrating and making decisions, feelings of worthlessness and guilt, suicidal thoughts, and carbohydrate craving. L-Tyrosine can also be measured. This forms the Catecholamines (Dopamine, Nor-Epinephrine and Epinephrine) and thyroid hormone. Common signs of Catecholamine deficiencies are feeling easily bored, apathetic, low energy most of time, difficulty focusing and poor concentration, tendency to put on weight easily, drawn to uppers as caffeine for energy, loss of enthusiasm, and depressed mood.
The amino acid analysis report comes with a suggested amino acid replacement formula that can be compounded for the patient by using easily absorbed crystalline amino acids. If levels of amino acids fall in the normal range, but the patient presents with evidence of Serotonin or Catecholamine deficiencies, one can add additional amounts of L-Tyrosine or 5-HTP to the formula. A larger percentage of 5-HTP gets to the brain and is converted to Serotonin; where as the larger percentage of L-Tryptophan is utilized outside of the brain. As there appears to be a reciprocal relationship between neurotransmitters in maintaining a balance and equilibrium, to help build up Serotonin you may need to also add Catecholamine precursors as they seem to be needed to help the body retain Serotonin. Adequate Serotonin levels are also needed to regulated Catecholamine levels. Much depends on the patient’s symptoms and presentation in making these decisions. If signs of catecholamine excess, as increased anxiety, sleep difficulties or excessive stimulation, GABA enhancers as Taurine and Glutamine, along with necessary vitamin and mineral co-factors can be added.
Other tests, currently in research and development, measure the amount of excreted neurotransmitter levels in the urine. This is felt to be an indirect indicator of systemic and brain levels, and also a possible guide to amino acid replacement. Organic acids testing will measure the metabolites of neurotransmitters in the urine, but it is hard to relate this to what the actual brain levels might be as most Serotonin for example is made in the gut. Correcting neurotransmitter imbalances with amino acids – alone, or in combination with the correction of other identified contributing factors or sometimes in conjunction with medication – has the potential for relief of other conditions in addition to anxiety and depression such as obesity, migraines, insomnia, obsessive-compulsive problems, PMS, attention deficit disorder (ADD), fatigue and fibromyalgia.
Do you know on any products that have all the amino acids in them that were mentioned in the study?
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Yes but singular aminos used in significant quantities are drugs. They can also have side effects. Take someone with panic anxiety and load him up with phenylalanine and watch what happens.Vitamins can also be drugs. Take Niaspan for example. Even fish oil can be seen as a drug. See Lovaza. Both of them can cause side effects also.
I have both anxiety/panic disorders, i take medications and i also take Pre-workout supplements. Yes, they also make me a little edgy and shaky. If i were have never to have gotten on medication and started taking Pre-workout supplements.......... :o i probably would have gone nuts!
Not only Workout supplements BUT Highly Caffeinated Drinks. Probably the same year i started taking medication, was when my anxiety/panic disorder started getting bad, i was a MOUNTAIN DEW JUNKIE!! I drank probably 5 or more cans A DAY and that made my anxiety/panic disorder worse!! I remember when i finally went to a crisis center one morning from having a bad panic attack, the physciatrist actually asked me if i drank MOUNTAIN DEW, weird shit. But nowadays, 5 years later, i still have issues with anxiety/panic attacks BUT alot better with medication to where nowadays, i drink energy drinks/ take pre-workout supplements.
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So I guess you're not feeling up to opening your big pot-selling store?
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I know absolutely nothing about this subject and can’t ever recall being depressed except on those few occasions when close friends pass away unexpectedly.
So I’ve never experienced adverse depression myself but I’ve witnessed friends go through sever forms of depression from mere anxiety attacks through life threatening days of depression in which one such case ended in suicide.
I have to admit that this intelligent discussion you guys are posting on this GetBig Board has been a real educational eye-opener.
I never realized that severe depression is a problem that affects so many people (as shown on this Board.)
And this ‘education’ is somewhat appreciated right now because one family member is presently suffering from severe depression requiring a lot of professional care and a long, involved process of determining what ‘meds’ will be best to alleviate (not cure) the problem
A month or so ago while talking to this family member on the phone, my advice was, “Get over it! Go on a five mile run!”
Needless to say, my advice didn’t produce beneficial results.
But I got to admit that I tend to see some value with what Devilsmile and some of you other GetBiggers are saying ….. The cure will not come until the root of the prolem is addressed.
I am probably stepping out of line due to my ignorance in the field, but I tend to think that drugs are useless unless there is some form of physical, chemical unbalance in the
subject’s mind.
Sorry to f ---k up this intelligent conversation, but “Thanks!”
It arrived at the right time. and is greatly appreciated.
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I know absolutely nothing about this subject and can’t ever recall being depressed except on those few occasions when close friends pass away unexpectedly.
So I’ve never experienced adverse depression myself but I’ve witnessed friends go through sever forms of depression from mere anxiety attacks through life threatening days of depression in which one such case ended in suicide.
I have to admit that this intelligent discussion you guys are posting on this GetBig Board has been a real educational eye-opener.
I never realized that severe depression is a problem that affects so many people (as shown on this Board.)
And this ‘education’ is somewhat appreciated right now because one family member is presently suffering from severe depression requiring a lot of professional care and a long, involved process of determining what ‘meds’ will be best to alleviate (not cure) the problem
A month or so ago while talking to this family member on the phone, my advice was, “Get over it! Go on a five mile run!”
Needless to say, my advice didn’t produce beneficial results.
But I got to admit that I tend to see some value with what Devilsmile and some of you other GetBiggers are saying ….. The cure will not come until the root of the prolem is addressed.
I am probably stepping out of line due to my ignorance in the field, but I tend to think that drugs are useless unless there is some form of physical, chemical unbalance in the
subject’s mind.
Sorry to f ---k up this intelligent conversation, but “Thanks!”
It arrived at the right time. and is greatly appreciated.
Exactly. MEDICATION does not " FULLY CURE" mental illness' BUT they ABSOLUTELY DO HELP, like you said, they alleviate/"lessen" symptoms, and as far as " getting over it", 10000000X EASIER SAID THAN DONE.
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Exactly. MEDICATION does not " FULLY CURE" mental illness' BUT they ABSOLUTELY DO HELP, like you said, they alleviate/"lessen" symptoms, and as far as " getting over it", 10000000X EASIER SAID THAN DONE.
I have never suffered from depression, but have used certain supps like Rhodiola Rosea or 2-3g of L-Tyrosene with Green Tea Extract for mood elevation some times, and i can only guess that this will help a lot with easing the "pain" a bit, but you will have to go to the root of the problem to solve it.
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Go to a homeless shelter, spend some time or volunteer, gauranteed you won't need any anti-depressants...When you realize that none of your problems are as bad as their's, you not only feel happy, you'll feel downright thankful...
Wiggs, serious question. The major decisions in your life, like the military, getting married, etc, are you truly happy with them? Can you you look at your life now and say, I am happy with the decisions I have made...if not, I can point you to a homeless man who worked for ________, and lost it all due to a divorce, and then went crazy...when sober, he can tell you the exact temperature by listening to crickets, and your tire pressure...
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Go to a homeless shelter, spend some time or volunteer, gauranteed you won't need any anti-depressants...When you realize that none of your problems are as bad as their's, you not only feel happy, you'll feel downright thankful...
Wiggs, serious question. The major decisions in your life, like the military, getting married, etc, are you truly happy with them? Can you you look at your life now and say, I am happy with the decisions I have made...if not, I can point you to a homeless man who worked for ________, and lost it all due to a divorce, and then went crazy...when sober, he can tell you the exact temperature by listening to crickets, and your tire pressure...
I know... that's what I said, people need a good ass whooping.
My cusine was a healthy young blood and when he was 20, he fell in a ditch with his bicycle, slippery road or something and you know what happent? He can't move his legs, and he can barely use his arms... he has to have his wife help him when he goes in a bathroom or take a shower.... think about that. he's 30 now.
And he got married at his present state of condition at 25 and his wife is very intuitive, smart and prety. And they are happy.
One month ago I was in my other cusines weding and even I'm a hard ass I didn't want to go dancing because my cusine was siting there watching as others had fun... but he's still happy.
So you guys have no problems rly... no problems. Shut up allready. And drugs ain't gonna help none to your social depression, especially anti depressants. UNLESS your brain rly has some sort of chemical mutation fuckery going on as stated, but if you take drugs just because you didn't go to college or you're black and your dick isn't 10"'s then you should just shut up :P
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The Natural cures: Rhidiola Rosea like DK said.PEA which is phenylalanine its found in chocolate.Why d you think women love chocolate during there period? The PEA ort phenylalanine enhances mood.I also seen SAM'e work for sepression.
Beleive it or not GHB and Suboxone have been used in Europe to treat depression.
I have alos soo a good ECA stack work well because its fights mnetal fatiique.
You can also try B-12 or a good B-Complex.Green tea and Ginseng can also help you beat the blues.Once you get up and out of the house you will have energy to do things.Then as far as Amino acids go you got Gaba L-Glutamine, phenylalanineTyrsosine L-Tryptophan which can make you very tired.
I personally would pop 2 ECAs do 30 minutres of cardio or havw 30 minutes of good sex to get my addrenal glands get all frired up.
Usually people who are depressed is be ause they have to much free timed on there hands.
Smoking Weed is the worsrt thing you can do for depression.It makes you lazy tired so you feel like shit about yourself.
Weed is a drug that sucks the life right out of you.
From what I read on this post.Are you jobless you skmoke weed and are on test? If so therte is your answer.Get a job dont smoke weed and get off your ass and start living.
If you have severe depression there are drugs like Prsique that have no sexual side effects try taking 50 then maybe 100 mg.
You might also try stacking the Pristiq with only 2-5 mg max of Abilify.Remeber less is more when it comes to antideprresants.I have seen people were on Lamicatal Cymbalta Prozac Xanax and Ambien so he could sleep.I saw that and told him how do you feel he said panicky and he sweated badly all the time.Nowe he is down to 50 mg of prstiq and 2 mg of Abilify.I think adding be-12 or a Meyers cocktail make the anti-dpreresent work better
What ever you dont self medicate with pot or Loritabs it will onluy make msatters worse
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I know... that's what I said, people need a good ass whooping.
My cusine was a healthy young blood and when he was 20, he fell in a ditch with his bicycle, slippery road or something and you know what happent? He can't move his legs, and he can barely use his arms... he has to have his wife help him when he goes in a bathroom or take a shower.... think about that. he's 30 now.
And he got married at his present state of condition at 25 and his wife is very intuitive, smart and prety. And they are happy.
One month ago I was in my other cusines weding and even I'm a hard ass I didn't want to go dancing because my cusine was siting there watching as others had fun... but he's still happy.
So you guys have no problems rly... no problems. Shut up allready. And drugs ain't gonna help none to your social depression, especially anti depressants. UNLESS your brain rly has some sort of chemical mutation fuckery going on as stated, but if you take drugs just because you didn't go to college or you're black and your dick isn't 10"'s then you should just shut up :P
your cusine?
seriously dude you have no idea what your talking about, a plethora of studies show polymorphisms, structural changes and the chronic nature and degeneration caused by such illnesses. There is no such thing as "social depression" its social anxiety, the fact that you can't get this correct indicates you have no knowledge worth mentioning in the area. The fact is that just simple reductionism to serotonin or dopamine is stupid, certain receptors have differing effects when bound. The brain is very complex and twin studies show that things like OCD etc have genetic traits and can be devestating. The worst thing you could do for someone with MDD is say to get over it, it just shows a lack of empathy and ignorance on your behalf. Why does everyone thing organic brain disorders cannot cause pathology? diabetes is accepted because we can see it and measure it, however the brain is much more complex making the task harder, thus morons tend to avoid the situation and go the dumb dumb route.
I wasn't going to comment but if anyone is suffering from anxiety or depression, avoid this advice and get proper help.
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your cusine?
seriously dude you have no idea what your talking about, a plethora of studies show polymorphisms, structural changes and the chronic nature and degeneration caused by such illnesses. There is no such thing as "social depression" its social anxiety, the fact that you can't get this correct indicates you have no knowledge worth mentioning in the area. The fact is that just simple reductionism to serotonin or dopamine is stupid, certain receptors have differing effects when bound. The brain is very complex and twin studies show that things like OCD etc have genetic traits and can be devestating. The worst thing you could do for someone with MDD is say to get over it, it just shows a lack of empathy and ignorance on your behalf. Why does everyone thing organic brain disorders cannot cause pathology? diabetes is accepted because we can see it and measure it, however the brain is much more complex making the task harder, thus morons tend to avoid the situation and go the dumb dumb route.
I wasn't going to comment but if anyone is suffering from anxiety or depression, avoid this advice and get proper help.
In most cases depression is caused because somebody said you look ugly... then you feel self pity and you get shy and you start to become anti social and you start pondering about things that isn't even there, you even might say that all the people are the same and whatever... and you get very depressed and sad...
... because someone said you're ugly, LOL GIVE ME a breake! These things can be cured by thinking it twice lol, and then laugh it off. In most cases people have just believed they are depressed over something very little, whatever it might be because they think the world is fairys & flowers- when they cause all that "insert proper scienteific explanation of brains chemical function here"....
But then there's the unfortunate ones who truly are sick and can't help it, and then the medication comes in to play.
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In most cases depression is caused because somebody said you look ugly... then you feel self pity and you get shy and you start to become anti social and you start pondering about things that isn't even there, you even might say that all the people are the same and whatever... and you get very depressed and sad...
... because someone said you're ugly, LOL GIVE ME a breake! These things can be cured by thinking it twice lol, and then laugh it off. In most cases people have just believed they are depressed over something very little, whatever it might be because they think the world is fairys & flowers- when they cause all that "insert proper scienteific explanation of brains chemical function here"....
But then there's the unfortunate ones who truly are sick and can't help it, and then the medication comes in to play.
sure that is not depression though, depression has specific criteria, being sensitive is not the same as being depressed. Being stressed is not the same as GAD, ocd, panic etc..
looks like we may be talking about different things here.
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sure that is not depression though, depression has specific criteria, being sensitive is not the same as being depressed. Being stressed is not the same as GAD, ocd, panic etc..
looks like we may be talking about different things here.
not necessarily ... people like to throw the word depression around as easily as doctors prescribe anti depression medication.
What you are spesificly describing truly is the serious depression and it's very bad, and can be dangerous and should be dealt with some medication, therapy and guidance.
But really, this is the "spineless internet" era we live in, so many people would never want to deal with their subconscious or even their everyday mistakes they do, they don't want to admit that sometimes they SUCK ASS because they did a mistake... and then they want to escape it by saying they are so depressed and whatever.
But what you say is a very bad sittuation to be in and should be cured with the help of medication.
Are we on the same page now?
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once again another thread on GB involving people who know absolutely nothing about the topic.
depression is real, and it isnt a matter of talking oneself out of it.
the worst advice u can give to someone is to "talk yourself out of it".
if they could, they sure would, and the fact they cant, makes them feel even more depressed.
its only sometimes to do with what you own, or how your life has gone- the poorest people can be happy and the richest can be debilitatingly depressed.
some people try every treatment known without success, others find relief from the first SSRI they try.
also, if you are using other drugs- test is a big culprit- they will alter your mind and can and often will cause depression.
hormones have been linked conclusively to mental illness and its well known that steroids can cause depression, as well as be used to combat depression in those with low test.
leave the thinking to the professionals..theyve studied the topic for a dozen years or more. GB members dont have a clue.
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once again another thread on GB involving people who know absolutely nothing about the topic.
depression is real, and it isnt a matter of talking oneself out of it.
the worst advice u can give to someone is to "talk yourself out of it".
if they could, they sure would, and the fact they cant, makes them feel even more depressed.
its only sometimes to do with what you own, or how your life has gone- the poorest people can be happy and the richest can be debilitatingly depressed.
some people try every treatment known without success, others find relief from the first SSRI they try.
also, if you are using other drugs- test is a big culprit- they will alter your mind and can and often will cause depression.
hormones have been linked conclusively to mental illness and its well known that steroids can cause depression, as well as be used to combat depression in those with low test.
leave the thinking to the professionals..theyve studied the topic for a dozen years or more. GB members dont have a clue.
" GB members dont have a clue"...........Iam not a Phycolosgist BUT i live with mental illness', i know what its like being " DEPRESSED". You simply loose interest in " living". Lay in bed and sleep day after day after day.
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This is why I abandoned the thread gents...but thanks for bringing in some truth....
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I've never been on anti-depressants but I do smoke meth
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once again another thread on GB involving people who know absolutely nothing about the topic.
you read between the lines... this topic has been concluded in above posts, mr."balbalablablab I'm right you are wrong I cant hear you" ::)