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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #100 on: December 11, 2010, 07:54:13 PM »
What you think people should do is irrelevant. We know many will not, or can't, deal with their problems your way. So it's either give them drugs or let them suffer or even die. Some depression issues are very organic and those can't always be cured by "willpower". It's out of their voluntary control.

You are very naive and ignorant on this subject. Which is understandable knowing your age.

BTW, Finns must be some weak ass people seeing the prevalence of suicide and depression and alcoholism.

Yeah the depression is ridiculous here, most of these people need to be slapped in the face so fucking hard they bleed and yell WAKE UP!!! End of depression... most of these "I need anti depressant" people are depressed for their social problems because they don't have the god damn balls to admit it. The depression here is purely due social reasons and cultural fuckery. But these kind of so called problems (which they aren't) are easily dealt with the mind.

You're right about the organic reason for being depressed, that's another story... then you're plain fucked.

Other than that you should get your head up and stand tall, stop being a weak minded robot.

age is very irrelevant, and secondly very simple attempt to just make me agree with your dumb ass views   lol the  "age"

Anyway, you said you speak my language, but then used "finns must be...", so are you finnish or not?


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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #101 on: December 11, 2010, 07:55:05 PM »
You can't just alter chemicals in your brain yourself. If your brain doesn't product normal amounts of serotonin, among other mood related chemicals, you will need prescription anti-depressants. Unless you want to walk around miserable all day. This person is not weak minded, he simply doesn't have his brain supporting him. Some people have naturally more serotonin than others, and some people don't and are fuked unless they get help.

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« Reply #102 on: December 11, 2010, 07:56:48 PM »
You can't just alter chemicals in your brain yourself. If your brain doesn't product normal amounts of serotonin, among other mood related chemicals, you will need prescription anti-depressants. Unless you want to walk around miserable all day. This person is not weak minded, he simply doesn't have his brain supporting him. Some people have naturally more serotonin than others, and some people don't and are fuked unless they get help.

THIS is true, completely if it's due genetics. But what Van_Bilderass said was completelely irrelevant. He thinks it's ok to take them if you just have a bad mood or are too much of a pussy. he also claims I think taking drugs is a taboo  ::).. NOTHING is taboo in my oppinion, nothing is sacred eccept ones self.
But to take shit to escape your bad emotions for somebody giving you a bad comment = STUPID!



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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #103 on: December 11, 2010, 07:59:30 PM »
Your moms on anti depressants.

now that's a genius statement ::)

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« Reply #104 on: December 11, 2010, 08:03:43 PM »
Yeah the depression is ridiculous here, most of these people need to be slapped in the face so fucking hard they bleed and yell WAKE UP!!! End of depression... most of these "I need anti depressant" people are depressed for their social problems because they don't have the god damn balls to admit it. The depression here is purely due social reasons and cultural fuckery.

You're right about the organic reason for being depressed, that's another story... then you're fucked.

Other than that you should get your head up and stand tall, stop being a weak minded robot.

lol, age  ::), very irrelevant, and secondly very simple attempt to just make me agree with your dumb ass views  :D, lol "age"

Anyway, you said you speak my language, but then used finns must be...", so are you finnish or not?



I had a Serbian friend who told me that in his country any man who said they were depressed would be beaten up for being a pussy. Another friend, a Lebanese one, said in his country there's no such thing as depression. The truth of course is that depression occurs everywhere but are dealt with differently. It's just not talked about, you keep your mouth shut and maybe shoot yourself if it becomes unbearable. Both later had mental issues which made them change their views a bit.

Age does have a lot to do with it. Most people have an episode of depression in their lifetime. If you haven't experienced it you may not understand it fully.

100% Suomalainen. Yeah "we" are known for being a depressed people. I remember a 60 minutes episode where it was said Finland is the most depressed country in the world and then showed people standing at the bus stop looking grim and morose.  :D

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« Reply #105 on: December 11, 2010, 08:06:16 PM »
THIS is true, completely if it's due genetics. But what Van_Bilderass said was completelely irrelevant. He thinks it's ok to take them if you just have a bad mood or are too much of a pussy. he also claims I think taking drugs is a taboo  ::).. NOTHING is taboo in my oppinion, nothing is sacred eccept ones self.
But to take shit to escape your bad emotions for somebody giving you a bad comment = STUPID!




Where the fuck did I say it's ok to take them for normal bad mood? I specifically said they are over-prescribed. The way I see it, if you go to the doc asking for them there's a big change you have more than regular bad mood. After all, who likes taking these drugs? There's still some negative stigma in taking them.

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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #106 on: December 11, 2010, 08:06:50 PM »
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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #107 on: December 11, 2010, 08:06:53 PM »
now that's a genius statement ::)
Oh brother.
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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #108 on: December 11, 2010, 08:18:50 PM »
Where the fuck did I say it's ok to take them for normal bad mood? I specifically said they are over-prescribed. The way I see it, if you go to the doc asking for them there's a big change you have more than regular bad mood. After all, who likes taking these drugs? There's still some negative stigma in taking them.

Exactly, annoying when you ignore ones post, right? I was just testing ye.

I had a Serbian friend who told me that in his country any man who said they were depressed would be beaten up for being a pussy. Another friend, a Lebanese one, said in his country there's no such thing as depression. The truth of course is that depression occurs everywhere but are dealt with differently. It's just not talked about, you keep your mouth shut and maybe shoot yourself if it becomes unbearable. Both later had mental issues which made them change their views a bit.

Age does have a lot to do with it. Most people have an episode of depression in their lifetime. If you haven't experienced it you may not understand it fully.

100% Suomalainen. Yeah "we" are known for being a depressed people. I remember a 60 minutes episode where it was said Finland is the most depressed country in the world and then showed people standing at the bus stop looking grim and morose.  :D

I HAVE been incredibly depressed in my life, but I found my way out of it completely and without friends, so I know exactly what I'm talking about... age has nothing to do with it because there are men 30+ like Wiggs who are depressed. And lol still at Wiggs from all the people....

And you had very bad examples once again to "proof my methods wrong", because my methods are nothing like that. I allready said only like couple'a houndred times that one must face the feelings and deal with the feelings and speak out loud.

I think it's because that's the way I have been raised to allways show my emotions and I have allways done so...

I give you an example why age can't be an issue here.
    You said I have my psychopathic tendencies, right? You musted read my satan worshiping extreme religion hating posts, right? Then my hatered suddenly focuses on women, right? Well now I'm extremely sexist and extremely proud when dealing with a woman, I rather "be right" than to have a woman spread her legs because my pride has gone way up with female relations. So you see I have phases but any man in ANY age group can have same thoughts. The biggest satanists and sexists started from pre teens all the way to their graves, only getting more convinsed of their philosophys towards their end.

But you know why I'm "really" sexist? I can't get laid... that's the reason... what should I do? Well I have to change who I am by working harder... you see I dont' want to get laid once a month... I want good looking women jump on my dick every week.

Anyways, yeah there is negative stigma in taking anti depressants because the truth is most of these people on these drugs are just lazy carcasses! Then there are the few who are truly unfortunate...


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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #109 on: December 11, 2010, 08:23:07 PM »
Age can be a factor due to decreased testosterone levels. People with good natural test levels are generally happier people, so researchers say.

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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #110 on: December 11, 2010, 08:24:03 PM »
Age can be a factor due to decreased testosterone levels. People with good natural test levels are generally happier people, so researchers say.

True... maby I got older faster then :D... after all, we live for food/water/shiting/pissing/fucking


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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #111 on: December 11, 2010, 08:25:46 PM »
No.  Looked into them but decided against it.  I didn't like the reports of discontinuation problems (and other sides) with SS(ND)RIs.  Also, it's hard to imagine the people I've known who take them as being much worse off if they'd never taken them in the first place.  MAOIs and TCAs sounded like a pain in the ass and no one prescribes them anymore.  Benzos are hard to get prescribed long term, but all they do is make me sleepy anyway.  Still have half a bottle of 30 or so left in the bathroom cabinet from over 2 years ago.

None of the doctors I spoke to inspired much confidence.  Their pharmacological knowledge was piss poor.  None recorded statistics on their patients' problems or progress with a given drug.  None could offer any insight on trials without rummaging for a desk reference.  I had the impression that they were just prescribing whatever the drug company rep was pushing.

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« Reply #112 on: December 11, 2010, 08:28:54 PM »
No.  Looked into them but decided against it.  I didn't like the reports of discontinuation problems (and other sides) with SS(ND)RIs.  Also, it's hard to imagine the people I've known who take them as being much worse off if they'd never taken them in the first place.  MAOIs and TCAs sounded like a pain in the ass and no one prescribes them anymore.  Benzos are hard to get prescribed long term, but all they do is make me sleepy anyway.  Still have half a bottle of 30 or so left in the bathroom cabinet from over 2 years ago.

None of the doctors I spoke to inspired much confidence.  Their pharmacological knowledge was piss poor.  None recorded statistics on their patients' problems or progress with a given drug.  None could offer any insight on trials without rummaging for a desk reference.  I had the impression that they were just prescribing whatever the drug company rep was pushing.

QFT....

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but dealing with emotions, there is no shortcuts... you gotta chew, swallow and you gotta taste it

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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #113 on: December 11, 2010, 09:09:08 PM »
QFT....

there is no SHORTCUTS except inside trading in wallstreet or robing a bank etc...

but dealing with emotions, there is no shortcuts... you gotta chew, swallow and you gotta taste it

You never heard of the Efficient Market Hypothesis...Some experts think you can't even beat the market with inside information..When i say the Market i mean the S&P500..

Insider trading doesn't always guarantee success..

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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #114 on: December 12, 2010, 01:24:05 AM »
Oh brother.
His mother and his brother ?  ???

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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #115 on: December 12, 2010, 03:27:38 AM »
I’ve taken a lot of Prozac, Paxil, Wellbutrin, Ritalin, … I’ve also studied the religions and philosophies, but cheerfulness kept breaking through

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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #116 on: December 12, 2010, 06:20:46 AM »
an internet community of bodybuilders with emotional problems, debilitating anxiety, and drug dependency

what a shocking turn of events

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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #117 on: December 12, 2010, 07:59:15 AM »
Well sh!t dude, didn't you know that "bodybuilders" are some of the most mentally fvcked up people on dis planet?

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« Reply #118 on: December 12, 2010, 08:26:39 AM »
an internet community of bodybuilders with emotional problems, debilitating anxiety, and drug dependency

what a shocking turn of events

lmao great post

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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #119 on: December 12, 2010, 01:37:20 PM »
Many neurotransmitter imbalances can be corrected by using nutrients such as Tyrosine or phenylalanine..having good doses of b-vitamins, taking 5-htp tryptophan, acetyl-L-carnitine etc....these nutrients stimulate your own production of dopamine, nor-epinephrine, acetacholine and serotonin. The drugs artificially raise the levels of your brain chemicals with often horrific side effects. Of course since most medical doctors are completely ignorant of nutrition and the pharmaceutical companies make more profit peddling their drugs, most people will never know any alternatives. Many people have seizures, incredible anxiety, insomnia and commit suicide on anti-depressants and benzodiazapene drugs. And withdrawals can be nightmarish.

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« Reply #120 on: December 12, 2010, 01:54:01 PM »
Many neurotransmitter imbalances can be corrected by using nutrients such as Tyrosine or phenylalanine..having good doses of b-vitamins, taking 5-htp tryptophan, acetyl-L-carnitine etc....these nutrients stimulate your own production of dopamine, nor-epinephrine, acetacholine and serotonin. The drugs artificially raise the levels of your brain chemicals with often horrific side effects. Of course since most medical doctors are completely ignorant of nutrition and the pharmaceutical companies make more profit peddling their drugs, most people will never know any alternatives. Many people have seizures, incredible anxiety, insomnia and commit suicide on anti-depressants and benzodiazapene drugs. And withdrawals can be nightmarish.

its not always that simple. in fact most of the time its not. neurtransmitter imbalances arent caused by having a lack of the stuff you need to produce them. thats a rare case.

not that drugs are always necessary. they can be very helpful though.


no matter what, the person needs to decide to feel better, or else no amount of drug will ever cure them. at least not in the long run.

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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #121 on: December 12, 2010, 02:04:40 PM »
Many neurotransmitter imbalances can be corrected by using nutrients such as Tyrosine or phenylalanine..having good doses of b-vitamins, taking 5-htp tryptophan, acetyl-L-carnitine etc....these nutrients stimulate your own production of dopamine, nor-epinephrine, acetacholine and serotonin. The drugs artificially raise the levels of your brain chemicals with often horrific side effects. Of course since most medical doctors are completely ignorant of nutrition and the pharmaceutical companies make more profit peddling their drugs, most people will never know any alternatives. Many people have seizures, incredible anxiety, insomnia and commit suicide on anti-depressants and benzodiazapene drugs. And withdrawals can be nightmarish.

Yes but what is the difference between a "food supplement" and a drug? If those supplements affect neurochemistry and mood they are strictly speaking drugs. There are tons of vitamins, amino acids, etc drugs in the PDR. A huge amount of drugs are found naturally in nature. There are herbs/amino acids attaching to the benzodiazepine receptor complex. There are herbs/amino-acids causing inhibition of serotonin re-uptake and on and on.

There is no hard line between a nutrient and a drug. If the "food supplement" supplies a nutrient in a form/dosage not possible to ingest through normal diet it's more drug than food supplement IMO.

As far as what's causing depression, I'm not sure if it's even been proven that most depressed have an imbalance as such or a lack of neurotransmitter. It's not definitely known why/how many of the anti-depressant drugs really work their magic.

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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #122 on: December 12, 2010, 02:16:11 PM »
Yes but what is the difference between a "food supplement" and a drug? If those supplements affect neurochemistry and mood they are strictly speaking drugs. There are tons of vitamins, amino acids, etc drugs in the PDR. A huge amount of drugs are found naturally in nature. There are herbs/amino acids attaching to the benzodiazepine receptor complex. There are herbs/amino-acids causing inhibition of serotonin re-uptake and on and on.

There is no hard line between a nutrient and a drug. If the "food supplement" supplies a nutrient in a form/dosage not possible to ingest through normal diet it's more drug than food supplement IMO.

As far as what's causing depression, I'm not sure if it's even been proven that most depressed have an imbalance as such or a lack of neurotransmitter. It's not definitely known why/how many of the anti-depressant drugs really work their magic.
This article below is just an example from  a Dr. Whitcomb. If you search the net, you will find many others that share a similar philosophy.

Anxiety and depression may be the result of shortages of key brain chemicals that can be restored naturally. Give the brain the amino acids it needs and feel your mind start to glow again.

If you're one of the millions who suffer from anxiety or depression, the next time you reach for the Valium or Prozac, consider amino acids as an alternative instead. these protein building blocks may be the key to reversing long-standing anxiety and depression, according to Harold Whitcomb, M.D., and biochemical nutritionist Phyllis Bronson. They regularly prescribe amino acids for their clients at the Aspen (Colorado) Clinic for Preventive and Environmental Medicine.

Mood, behavior, and brain biochemistry are intricately linked. Depression and anxiety may be the result of flawed message-sending in the biochemical brain, flawed because key brain chemicals called neurotransmitters are in short supply. They're short because the body's amino acid pool (from which they're made) is itself low. 

Shore up the amino acid pool with the deficient or missing elements   and you start seeing dramatic improvements in both depression and anxiety, report Whitcomb and Bronson. "By using supplements of the amino acids that make up specific neurotransmitters, you can actually change the nature and intensity of the brain messages they carry and thus the emotions they affect."

Even better, you don't get the roster of serious side effects commonly associated with standard medications. These can typically include blurred vision, increased heart rate, low blood pressure, nausea, headaches, constipation, memory loss, impaired concentration, and fogginess. In contrast, the clinical use of amino acids produces no side effects or health risks and generates better, more lasting healing results, says Bronson.


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Re: Any of you on or ever been on anti-depressants?
« Reply #123 on: December 12, 2010, 02:18:36 PM »
hope this helps :D

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« Reply #124 on: December 12, 2010, 02:19:23 PM »
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A 24 hour urine amino acid test is one of the best tests to evaluate nutritional factors contributing to depression. If this is not feasible, a first morning urine collection or a plasma amino acid done fasting in the AM would be alternatives. The urine amino acid will reflect digestive issues in the gut that are interfering with proper digestion of protein and the absorption and assimilation of amino acids. “Comprehensive stool analysis and parasitology” is a good companion test when digestive problems become apparent by an abnormal urine amino acid pattern.  The finding of other abnormal amino acid patterns can be a guide to the identification and treatment of vitamin and mineral deficiencies, which can be causal to metabolic and cellular biochemistry impairments.

Looking for deficiencies in amino acid precursors of neurotransmitters can be of great value, such as L-Tryptophan, which makes 5-HTP, which in turn makes the important neurotransmitter Serotonin.  Common signs of Serotonin deficiencies are restless or impaired sleep, depressed mood most of day, reduced pleasure in activities, fatigue, negative and obsessive thoughts, irritability, anxiety, difficulty concentrating and making decisions, feelings of worthlessness and guilt, suicidal thoughts, and carbohydrate craving.  L-Tyrosine can also be measured.  This forms the Catecholamines (Dopamine, Nor-Epinephrine and Epinephrine) and thyroid hormone.  Common signs of Catecholamine deficiencies are feeling easily bored, apathetic, low energy most of time, difficulty focusing and poor concentration, tendency to put on weight easily, drawn to uppers as caffeine for energy, loss of enthusiasm, and depressed mood.  

The amino acid analysis report comes with a suggested amino acid replacement formula that can be compounded for the patient by using easily absorbed crystalline amino acids.  If levels of amino acids fall in the normal range, but the patient presents with evidence of Serotonin or Catecholamine deficiencies, one can add additional amounts of L-Tyrosine or 5-HTP to the formula.  A larger percentage of 5-HTP gets to the brain and is converted to Serotonin; where as the larger percentage of L-Tryptophan is utilized outside of the brain. As there appears to be a reciprocal relationship between neurotransmitters in maintaining a balance and equilibrium, to help build up Serotonin you may need to also add Catecholamine precursors as they seem to be needed to help the body retain Serotonin.  Adequate Serotonin levels are also needed to regulated Catecholamine levels.  Much depends on the patient’s symptoms and presentation in making these decisions.  If signs of catecholamine excess, as increased anxiety, sleep difficulties or excessive stimulation, GABA enhancers as Taurine and Glutamine, along with necessary vitamin and mineral co-factors can be added.

Other tests, currently in research and development, measure the amount of excreted neurotransmitter levels in the urine.  This is felt to be an indirect indicator of systemic and brain levels, and also a possible guide to amino acid replacement.  Organic acids testing will measure the metabolites of neurotransmitters in the urine, but it is hard to relate this to what the actual brain levels might be as most Serotonin for example is made in the gut.  Correcting neurotransmitter imbalances with amino acids – alone, or in combination with the correction of other identified contributing factors or sometimes in conjunction with medication – has the potential for relief of other conditions in addition to anxiety and depression such as obesity, migraines, insomnia, obsessive-compulsive problems, PMS, attention deficit disorder (ADD), fatigue and fibromyalgia.