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he was great in 1990
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In before Hulkster attacks Dorian's arms in panic.
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Arnolds symmetry was far from perfect btw
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Arnolds symmetry was far from perfect btw
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True. Arnold had the classic aesthetic thing going without being neither about symmetry or proportions. Even some of his die-hard fans admit he was all arms and pecs.
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True. Arnold had the classic aesthetic thing going without being neither about symmetry or proportions. Even some of his die-hard fans admit he was all arms and pecs.
not even all arms and pecs, all biceps and pecs ;) ("arm" implies the existance of a triceps)
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Arnold had perfect symmetry? haha gimme a break.
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not even all arms and pecs, all biceps and pecs ;) ("arm" implies the existance of a triceps)
You dont have close on 20 inch arms with no triceps ::)
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Arnolds symmetry was far from perfect btw
oh no boy
here is the proof
you can t deny this
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This is omfg perfect ;)
No pro in this day and age matches this in my eyes.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=360676.0;attach=395773;image)
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exactly but its also because of his height that he looks great. most pros are little midgets. doesnt look that right
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exactly but its also because of his height that he looks great. most pros are little midgets. doesnt look that right
Good point , those lil bastads should be gassed and I dont mean with steroids :D
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Arnold was the greatest pure and simple.
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Arnold was the greatest pure and simple.
No. He was the smartest, the best at politics. Take that ouf the equation and he would have never got thos 7 'Os. But it's only fair that the smartest guy takes it.
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Great Arnold pics........not so great Yates pics.
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yates at arnolds days
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Can't compare Dorian with Arnold. :-\
Arnold was king, Dorian was......well let's just leave it at that.
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Top two bodybuilders of all time.
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oh no boy
here is the proof
you can t deny this
Well, it's a matter of taste obviously, if you consider that as "perfect" more power to you.
Still, by todays judging standards, his arms are way too big for his delts, his bis are too big for his tris, his chest overpowers everything else anyway, and his legs are way too small for his upper body.
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Dorian is awesome...I like his mentality towards the sport, his training principles and his no-nonsense attitude. If there was any bodybuilder I'd want to emulate it's Dorian.
That said he did not have the best physique. The best calves? Yes, Best front lat spread? Yes. Best conditioning? Yes. Best work ethic? Yes.
Arnold is overrated as a bodybuilder. Why? Simple. Everything he's done outside of bodybuilding. He was Weider's cash cow and golden boy. He was great no doubt especially for his time but not as great as he is portrayed.
no racist.
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Dorian is awesome...I like his mentality towards the sport, his training principles and his no-nonsense attitude. If there was any bodybuilder I'd want to emulate it's Dorian.
That said he did not have the best physique. The best calves? Yes, Best front lat spread? Yes. Best conditioning? Yes. Best work ethic? Yes.
Arnold is overrated as a bodybuilder. Why? Simple. Everything he's done outside of bodybuilding. He was Weider's cash cow and golden boy. He was great no doubt especially for his time but not as great as he is portrayed.
no racist.
Overated..I thought you were objective enough not to fall into the typical "No white bodybuilder can be great" that your fellow predictable non-caucasians espouse. Please produce one pic of a bodybuilder from the 70's (this shot's from 74) that beats this. I can assure you, it doesn't exist. The 1973-74 versions of Arnold destroyed anyone in that time period.
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Overated..I thought you were objective enough not to fall into the typical "No white bodybuilder can be great" that your fellow predictable non-caucasians espouse. Please produce one pic of a bodybuilder from the 70's (this shot's from 74) that beats this. I can assure you, it doesn't exist. The 1973-74 versions of Arnold destroyed anyone in that time period.
If you reread what I wrote, I never said he wasn't great. I said he was overrated. He and Yates are great...Arnold is overrated as a bodybuilder.
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Dorian is awesome...I like his mentality towards the sport, his training principles and his no-nonsense attitude. If there was any bodybuilder I'd want to emulate it's Dorian.
That said he did not have the best physique. The best calves? Yes, Best front lat spread? Yes. Best conditioning? Yes. Best work ethic? Yes.
Arnold is overrated as a bodybuilder. Why? Simple. Everything he's done outside of bodybuilding. He was Weider's cash cow and golden boy. He was great no doubt especially for his time but not as great as he is portrayed.
no racist.
Wiggs.
Youre black (inner whiteness notwithstanding)
You cant be racist.
Remember, only white people can be racist. (Or so says the US media)
:D
Just kidding though.
I dont really think of Ahnold as overrrated, since he was like the Ronnie Coleman of his time. He may seem overrated to us NOW, but back then, how was he viewed? You rarely hear anyone that has anything negative to say about his physique, although Im sure there are some competitors back then that have some negative shit to say. (Jealousy Im sure)
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If you reread what I wrote, I never said he wasn't great. I said he was overrated. He and Yates are great...Arnold is overrated as a bodybuilder.
If he's overrated, then that means there were bodybuilders that were better in his day. Again..show me someone who beats his peak years of 73 and 74.
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Overated..I thought you were objective enough not to fall into the typical "No white bodybuilder can be great" that your fellow predictable non-caucasians espouse. Please produce one pic of a bodybuilder from the 70's (this shot's from 74) that beats this. I can assure you, it doesn't exist. The 1973-74 versions of Arnold destroyed anyone in that time period.
Put him from the front and Nubret and Sergio are better, he is doing his classic hide his blocky waist quarter turn there.
Nothing to do with black or white Reeves, Benfatto, Paris had great structures. Arnold didn't.
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If he's overrated, then that means there were bodybuilders that were better in his day. Again..show me someone who beats his peak years of 73 and 74.
Olivia was a way better BB than Arnold, anyone with halfway a clue knows that. Arnold was more marketable obviously tough, and that's what got him trophies.
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How often do you ever hear or see overage of Sergio, Serge Nubret, Even Lou in mags?...Barely...It's always Arnold on the covers of mags, with article after article (mostly to sell the mags) what this does is artificially inflate his legendary status and diminishes the other greats...Sergio was better than Arnold...Period...No racism involved...
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Overated..I thought you were objective enough not to fall into the typical "No white bodybuilder can be great" that your fellow predictable non-caucasians espouse. Please produce one pic of a bodybuilder from the 70's (this shot's from 74) that beats this. I can assure you, it doesn't exist. The 1973-74 versions of Arnold destroyed anyone in that time period.
x2. No one beat Arnold's physique in 73-74 up until Haney came along in 84.
Overrated my ass.
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How often do you ever hear or see overage of Sergio, Serge Nubret, Even Lou in mags?...Barely...It's always Arnold on the covers of mags, with article after article (mostly to sell the mags) what this does is artificially inflate his legendary status and diminishes the other greats...Sergio was better than Arnold...Period...No racism involved...
I dont agree here, Oliva was always soft, rarely in condition, and although he was an awesome freak, I dont see him as having better symmetry or proportion than Ahhhnnooollldddd.
I dont know, seems like Oliva was as much all arms as Ahhnooolld was all bi's and chest.
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x2. No one beat Arnold's physique in 73-74 up until Haney came along in 84.
Overrated my ass.
(http://fullyflexed.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nubret2.jpg)
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Sergio better than Arnold? What a nice joke.
Sergio at his absolute best in 1972 got beat by Arnold who wasn't at his best. Imagine a 73-74 Arnold vs Sergio.....
Not to take anything away from Sergio, he was great and one of the best too, but Arnold had no match.
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(http://fullyflexed.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nubret2.jpg)
He was narrow and looked small next to Arnold if I remember correctly. Been a long time since Ive seen side by side pics, but if memory serves, arnold was literally twice as wide as Nubret.
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(http://fullyflexed.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/nubret2.jpg)
I love Nubret as well. He has a beautiful physique..but his lats, thighs, calves and overall back were fairly weak. That's why you don't see too many back double bi shots or rear lat spread photos.
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Nubret was another one of the great bbs of the golden years and he looks outstanding in that photo, but put him next to Arnold and he gets beat...look what happened in 1975.
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He was narrow and looked small next to Arnold if I remember correctly. Been a long time since Ive seen side by side pics, but if memory serves, arnold was literally twice as wide as Nubret.
Nah, Serge wasn't wide but he wasn't narrow either. He had better shape, better structure, smaller waist, better balance.
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How often do you ever hear or see overage of Sergio, Serge Nubret, Even Lou in mags?...Barely...It's always Arnold on the covers of mags, with article after article (mostly to sell the mags) what this does is artificially inflate his legendary status and diminishes the other greats...Sergio was better than Arnold...Period...No racism involved...
Sergio's problem was he always competed in Cutleresque conditioning.
He also resisted playing the "game."
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I don't want to get into a Ronnie vs. Dorian type argument...My mind won't be changed...sorry fellas.
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Nah, Serge wasn't wide but he wasn't narrow either. He had better shape, better structure, smaller waist, better balance.
Show pics of all the mandatories.
You hardly ever see serge doing any poses except his custom poses, its cause when he hits mandatories, all his flaws get exposed.
I love Nubret, in fact, if I could look like 1 BB it would probably be Nubret. But he just couldnt ever beat Arnold in his prime.
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I don't want to get into a Ronnie vs. Dorian type argument...My mind won't be changed...sorry fellas.
That's ok.
Ps: Ronnie is better. ;D
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That's ok.
Ps: Ronnie is better. ;D
Im cool with that too.
PS Dorian is better. ;D
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Anyone that thinks Arnold is comparable to Sergio is clearly not being subjective.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/jakescakes/SergioOliva98.jpg)
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thats not arnold
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time for some reality check ni99as
(http://www.bodyandwork.com/pics/255.jpg)
king arnold owning all your black asses, now shut up bitches
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Anyone that thinks Arnold is comparable to Sergio is clearly not being subjective.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/jakescakes/SergioOliva98.jpg)
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Dude never came in shape. Clearly YOURE not being objective, Arnold was bigger, and actually came IN SHAPE. You know, that thing in which contests are won and lost?
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Anyone that thinks Arnold is comparable to Sergio is clearly not being subjective.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/jakescakes/SergioOliva98.jpg)
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=311265.0;attach=351449;image)
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hhahahahaha inconceivable faggotry.
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Arnold's waist was as wide as his sloppy shoulders, no dice. He looked like nothing off gear, at least Sergio would still have the skeletal structure at worst.
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Serge only looked good with his arms down, hence 99% of pics of him are the same arms down slightly side-on pose.
Sergio was a freak but unrefined. Arms like a pair of hams and no posing ability whatsoever. Sergio at his biggest in shape weight was 222lbs at 5 ft 10. His tiny head made him look bigger when standing alone.
As can be seen in the abover shot, Arnold made the pair of them look like tiny tits.
Serge and Sergio are therefore the most overrated bodybuilders ever.
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Great criteria you have there. Same reason why Jay and Dorian win. Lou dwarfed Arnold guess he is the better bodybuilder.
Arnold just doesn't have the structure.
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Arnold's back was decent but both Sergio and Serge were on par with him, actually Sergio's back was better. Let's no talk about Arnold's legs which were only decent in 74 and 75. Sergio got screwed in 72 and everybody knows the story about Serge in 73. I can see why people would prefer Arnold but he wasn't as dominant as people want him to be.He was Weider's boy, that's it.
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Great criteria you have there. Same reason why Jay and Dorian win. Lou dwarfed Arnold guess he is the better bodybuilder.
Arnold just doesn't have the structure.
Youre actually tried to make the argument a post up that Sergio is better because hed look better off gear. Yeah, youre criteria is great. ::)
Great structure doesnt win comps. Period end of story. It might help, but when youre smaller and in inferior condition, youre going to lose.
You like Sergio, we get it, but you are the one not being objective, not us.
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Arnold's waist was as wide as his sloppy shoulders, no dice. He looked like nothing off gear, at least Sergio would still have the skeletal structure at worst.
We're not talking about who had the best genetics or the best structure, we're talking about who was the best bodybuilder and between the 3 of them Arnold was the best by far.
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Great criteria you have there. Same reason why Jay and Dorian win. Lou dwarfed Arnold guess he is the better bodybuilder.
Arnold just doesn't have the structure.
Please don't compare Arnold with Jay and Dorian.
I don't recall seeing Lou dwarfing Arnold ever.
Arnold's structure wasn't as bad as you think, he did have the widest clavicles of the 3.
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Please don't compare Arnold with Jay and Dorian.
I don't recall seeing Lou dwarfing Arnold ever.
Arnold's structure wasn't as bad as you think, he did have the widest clavicles of the 3.
I don't think it was terrible, it wasn't great either.
Lou wasn't as far along when Arnold was peak and you could tell he was bigger, no he didn't dwarf him, Arnold doesn't dwarf Sergio or Serge either.
Arnold was a great bodybuilder but to say he was better than Sergio is a stretch. This from a bodybuilding perspective. I would take either's build over Arnolds any day.
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Please don't compare Arnold with Jay and Dorian.
I don't recall seeing Lou dwarfing Arnold ever.
Arnold's structure wasn't as bad as you think, he did have the widest clavicles of the 3.
Why? Yates is a 6 time Olympian. He deserves to be mentioned with Arnold, in body bulding context.
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Why? Yates is a 6 time Olympian. He deserves to be mentioned with Arnold, in body bulding context.
Absolutely. The three most dominant bodybuilders of all-time (judging by Olympia wins and least number of losses): Arnold, Dorian, and Haney.
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yates looks like a shorty there
bulky thighs
overbig back
shitty chest
puny arms
even flex wheeler was better
but neither anywhere near arnold
arnold is numero uno
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Well, it's a matter of taste obviously, if you consider that as "perfect" more power to you.
Still, by todays judging standards, his arms are way too big for his delts, his bis are too big for his tris, his chest overpowers everything else anyway, and his legs are way too small for his upper body.
you are disqualified - bringing in the phrase "dodays judging standards" in a discussion about symmetrie in the eyes of a real "not thong-glute-addicted" man means you must be smoking crack
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Yates would kill Arnold on a stage.
Hope this helps.
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Why? Yates is a 6 time Olympian. He deserves to be mentioned with Arnold, in body bulding context.
You're right, but I was never a fan of his.
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Absolutely. The three most dominant bodybuilders of all-time (judging by Olympia wins and least number of losses): Arnold, Dorian, and Haney.
where is coleman, he has the most wins in histroy of the IFBB including 8 Mr Os
oh, sorry, i forgot, he was beaten by many others when he competed almost natural against them LOL
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Serge and Sergio were awesome bodybuilders..........th at being said,neither were better than Arnold on contest day...........no other time matters and off season doesn`t atter in the least.
Sergio as awesome as he was ,never got into top shape except for 1972 in Essen Germany and even then he could have been harder,albeit,he could have beat arnold on that day with little legit complaints from anybody as Arnold hadn`t reached his peak yet at that time.
As far as Nubret goes,beautiful physique but no legs and this is at a time long before gargantuan quads became the norm.
Awesome upperbody,weak back, and stood with one leg in front of the other in most poses to hide his weak quads.
All told, the three of them look light years better than the slobs we have competing today!!
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I don't think it was terrible, it wasn't great either.
Lou wasn't as far along when Arnold was peak and you could tell he was bigger, no he didn't dwarf him, Arnold doesn't dwarf Sergio or Serge either.
Arnold was a great bodybuilder but to say he was better than Sergio is a stretch. This from a bodybuilding perspective. I would take either's build over Arnolds any day.
Even if Lou was slightly bigger than Arnold, who had the better conditioning? Arnold. Who was better developed? Arnold.
Its not the same comparison as with Sergio or Serge.
Yes it can be said Arnold was better than Sergio simply because in 72 Arnold not at his best beat Sergio's best ever presentation. Now factor in Arnold in 73-74 and its pretty clear who would win.
If you like Sergio's or Serge's build better then that's fine, but it doesn't mean they are better bbs. I like Shawn's build better than Flex's, but I admit Flex was the better bb.
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overall back were fairly weak.
Serge had a very good back with wide shoulders.
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Prime Yates, is better than a prime Arnold everyday of the week and twice on Sunday...
But once again it's not a fair comparison across eras...
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This is a better video
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Even if Lou was slightly bigger than Arnold, who had the better conditioning? Arnold. Who was better developed? Arnold.
Its not the same comparison as with Sergio or Serge.
Yes it can be said Arnold was better than Sergio simply because in 72 Arnold not at his best beat Sergio's best ever presentation. Now factor in Arnold in 73-74 and its pretty clear who would win.
If you like Sergio's or Serge's build better then that's fine, but it doesn't mean they are better bbs. I like Shawn's build better than Flex's, but I admit Flex was the better bb.
Politics. 72 was Sergio's year. Same reason Dorian, Jay and Ronnie won when they shouldn't have.
Not to do with anything other than the fact that Sergio was a better bodybuilder. He had better lines, better structure, better insertions, he was more balanced and more symmetrical. He did however have bad conditioning the majority of the time.
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Politics. 72 was Sergio's year. Same reason Dorian, Jay and Ronnie won when they shouldn't have.
Please explain the politics behind the Yates victories. I've never understood the angle/benefits of having him win.
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where is coleman, he has the most wins in histroy of the IFBB including 8 Mr Os
oh, sorry, i forgot, he was beaten by many others when he competed almost natural against them LOL
Coleman was not as dominant as the other three. He lost to nearly everyone in his first 5 years as a pro. Then, he lost to Gunther as reigning Mr. O. I would put him in 4th.
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Politics. 72 was Sergio's year. Same reason Dorian, Jay and Ronnie won when they shouldn't have.
Not to do with anything other than the fact that Sergio was a better bodybuilder. He had better lines, better structure, better insertions, he was more balanced and more symmetrical. He did however have bad conditioning the majority of the time.
Politics could be a reason as it has happened some other times as you mentioned, but Arnold was the better bb that year. Just watch the video.
How does Sergio have better lines? Arnold is wider and despite his waist, this gives him an insane taper just like Sergio.
I give it to you that Sergio has better structure overall, but Arnold has wider clavicles.
Better insertions? Explain how, where.
More balanced and symmetrical? Probably yes, but don't forget Sergio's back was always underpar.
Arnold was bigger and in better condition.
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he was great in 1990
Second pic is right after the 1994 Olympia
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Politics could be a reason as it has happened some other times as you mentioned, but Arnold was the better bb that year. Just watch the video.
How does Sergio have better lines? Arnold is wider and despite his waist, this gives him an insane taper just like Sergio.
I give it to you that Sergio has better structure overall, but Arnold has wider clavicles.
Better insertions? Explain how, where.
More balanced and symmetrical? Probably yes, but don't forget Sergio's back was always underpar.
Arnold was bigger and in better condition.
No it wasn't. He wasn't Robinson for sure but he had a good back, actually better than Arnold's. The fact he never nailed his conditioning and that Arnold did gave Arnold the edge as it's not only about back development but detail that can only be showcased with a decent conditioning. Overall, Serggio had a better development than Arnold (his legs were much better in general-Arnold was ok in 74 if I recall, the rest of the time he just had chicken legs). The fact that some people here are discussing about Arnold being a "better" Bber than Yates just shows how biased they are. Nuthugging has reached its limits. Think what you want aesthetically (and I'd also rather have Arnold's physique anyday) but comps are judges on a number of criterias that would make Arnold look like an amateur next to Dorian if you take them at both their peaks.