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Does this mean that public officials should be given more protection than the public they represent?
Do media personalities need to curb the hatefull and sometimes untrue rhetoric?
The first, I say no.
The second, I say yes.
I learned all I needed to know in Kindergarten.
Sticks and stones....
Sandra
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Considering this guy seems like a communist/anarchist freek I don't see how we pin this on anyone but the shooter himself.
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there should always be freedom of speech, the ppl that commit these acts are often like im sure this animal will be shown to be somewhat mentally deficient.
I agree that those in the political realm especially elected officials should refrain from rhetoric that could incite violence but in the end crazy ppl do crazy shit...
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Considering this guy seems like a communist/anarchist freek I don't see how we pin this on anyone but the shooter himself.
besides being mentally ill he ranted about not being able to trust the government, loss of property rights and the current "treasonous" laws of the government
does any of that sound familiar?
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besides being mentally ill he ranted about not being able to trust the government, loss of property rights and the current "treasonous" laws of the government
does any of that sound familiar?
like you said this dude was whacked and this isnt the focus of the moment to be honest, it kinda pisses me off that there isnt more emphasis on the 9 YEAR OLD GIRL WHO GOT SHOT but thats neither here nor there
but it the info coming out on him is correct its pretty obvious he was a far left leaning individual, again not that it matters this dude was whacked
Holy shit man
http://ronbosoldier.blogspot.com/
"Saturday, January 08, 2011
EARLY REPORTS SAY ARIZONA ASSASSIN WAS LEFTIST AND DRUG USER
•Old Schoolmate of Shooter Claims He was a Liberal Druggie (Twitter)
Here are some tweets from someone who allegedly knew the shooter.
Caitie Parker @catieparker
Saying Jared Laughner was the gunman. Really hoping that's not the same guy I went to HS with, really good friend. Freaking out right now!!!
Catie Parker
Official I went to high school & college, & was in a band w/ the gunman. I can't even fathom this right now.
Catie Parker
He was a poticial radical & met Giffords once before on '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"
Catie Parker
He was a pot head & into rock like Hendrix, The DOors, Anti-Flag. I haven't seen him in person since '07 in a sign language class
Catie Parker
As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
Catie Parker
he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
Catie Parker
more left. I haven't seen him since '07 though. He became very reclusive.
Catie Parker
it's loughner just checked my year book.
Catie Parker
This is a circus. Good Morning America just called me.
•MOTIVE: CONGRESSWOMAN VOTED AGAINST NANCY PELOSI.
SHOOTER SAID_
(This page has been scrubbed but here is the cache) My CongressWOMAN voted against Nancy Pelosi! And is now DEAD to me! by BoyBlue Thu Jan 06, 2011 at 11:07:17 AM PST I am from the Tucson area and live in Congresswoman, Gabrielle Giffords' district. I worked like a dog for her elections when she was in the Arizona House, surrounded by rightwing nutcases. When Arizona re-districted in 2002, a seat opened up and she was right smack in the middle of it. So was I because I live in Oro Valley, Arizona, which is at the heart of that..."
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like you said this dude was whacked and this isnt the focus of the moment to be honest, it kinda pisses me off that there isnt more emphasis on the 9 YEAR OLD GIRL WHO GOT SHOT but thats neither here nor there
but it the info coming out on him is correct its pretty obvious he was a far left leaning individual, again not that it matters this dude was whacked
some tweets from someone who claims to have known him a few years ago don't tell us much of anything about what was going through his head in the last couple of months
far lefties don't rant about the things I mentioned.
I think this guys problem was mental illness and not political ideology
he's seems to rant the most about "grammar"
wtf is that all about?
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some tweets from someone who claims to have known him a few years ago don't tell us much of anything about what was going through his head in the last couple of months
far lefties don't rant about the things I mentioned.
I think this guys problem was mental illness and not political ideology
he's seems to rant the most about "grammar"
wtf is that all about?
either does the shit you posted ::)
face it, the majority of shit coming out about this guys points to him being a far left liberal...did you read the highlighted part of my post...
i know youre further left than most but ppl who support pelosi are FAR LEFT!!!!
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some tweets from someone who claims to have known him a few years ago don't tell us much of anything about what was going through his head in the last couple of months
far lefties don't rant about the things I mentioned.
I think this guys problem was mental illness and not political ideology
he's seems to rant the most about "grammar"
wtf is that all about?
I agree above all things this guy seems out of his mind psycho, the shit on his youtube page was just bizarre thats honestly the only way to describe it.
supposedly he is capable enough to tell the police that he operated alone so hopefully we will get some idea of what was going through this bastards head
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either does the shit you posted ::)
face it, the majority of shit coming out about this guys points to him being a far left liberal...did you read the highlighted part of my post...
i know youre further left than most but ppl who support pelosi are FAR LEFT!!!!
the shit I posted are from his own internet posting
he also wrote about not wanting to pay his debts with a currency that's not backed by gold or silver.
None of those things are common to "far lefties" but more like "far righties" and I'm not saying he is one of those either.
If you read his posts the common denominator is that they make no sense
He's a nutjob
For all we know he targeted Giffords for no other reason than he had easy access to her.
The best thing anyone can do now is not jump to conclusions about anything
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the shit I posted are from his own internet posting
he also wrote about not wanting to pay his debts with a currency that's not backed by gold or silver.
None of those things are common to "far lefties" but more like "far righties" and I'm not saying he is one of those either.
If you read his posts the common denominator is that they make no sense
He's a nutjob
For all we know he targeted Giffords for no other reason than he had easy access to her.
The best thing anyone can do now is not jump to conclusions about anything
really b/c jagson is all about gold and silver and is pretty far left...
he also burns the american flag or favorited a video of that, favorite books were the communist manifesto and mein kampf...campaigned for the person who he shot who is a DEMOCRAT...
sorry straw this dude was a liberal bro, not that is matters like we agree he was first and foremost a crazy bastard
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the person he helped her campaign against was a tea part candidate...dont you think if he was a right winger he would have campaigned for the tea party candidate as oppossed to gifford?
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really b/c jagson is all about gold and silver and is pretty far left...
he also burns the american flag or favorited a video of that, favorite books were the communist manifesto and mein kampf...campaigned for the person who he shot who is a DEMOCRAT...
sorry straw this dude was a liberal bro, not that is matters like we agree he was first and foremost a crazy bastard
no need to feel sorry for having your own opinion
doesn't change my opinion
I still think he's just a nut
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some tweets from someone who claims to have known him a few years ago don't tell us much of anything about what was going through his head in the last couple of months
far lefties don't rant about the things I mentioned.
I think this guys problem was mental illness and not political ideology
he's seems to rant the most about "grammar"
wtf is that all about?
It's clear to me, we blame this on grammar nazis!!!!!!!!!!!! Down with Deicide and Jag!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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It's clear to me, we blame this on grammar nazis!!!!!!!!!!!! Down with Deicide and Jag!!!!!!!!!! ;D
that and jagsons obvious the sky is falling on the US dollar buy gold and silver
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no need to feel sorry for having your own opinion
doesn't change mine opinion
I still think he's just a nut
through and through broham a certified nut, but as it looks to be shaping up he was left leaning
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through and through broham a certified nut, but as it looks to be shaping up he was left leaning
you're entitled to your opinion
My opinion is that he is just crazy
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the person he helped her campaign against was a tea part candidate...dont you think if he was a right winger he would have campaigned for the tea party candidate as oppossed to gifford?
I wish everyone would stop with the absolute need to label this guy. It's clear as fuck that the guy is fucked mentally. I mean once it's clear that someone is this insane, what is the point in connecting him to the left or right? He sees the world in a context that nobody on the left or right can even connect to or understand. he's so sick, his ideas and views as stated are alien to all of us. There is absolutely no point in pining this level of sick to any political ideology and I find it disturbing that people are still trying to do so even after it's become clear how insane this guy is.
My biggest worry at this point is that he's going to get off on his insanity and spend the rest of his life in a cozy mental ward. It makes me sick as hell that he killed a 9 year old girl and others. I don't give a rats ass if he's sick, I'd like to see him fry.
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It was totally stupid for the left to try and stick this on the tea party before we even knew the full story. It's just as stupid for the right to be pinning this on the left after finding out just how completely insane this guy is. It wasn't left ideologies that enabled him. It wasn't rightwing ideologies that enabled him. The simple fact that is clear upon reading his statements is that he is extremely insane and it wasn't left or right that made him insane. This dude is fucked in the head. No matter what his path in life, his crosswired insanity would still be there and be a problem and or danger.
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I wish everyone would stop with the absolute need to label this guy. It's clear as fuck that the guy is fucked mentally. I mean once it's clear that someone is this insane, what is the point in connecting him to the left or right? He sees the world in a context that nobody on the left or right can even connect to or understand. he's so sick, his ideas and views as stated are alien to all of us. There is absolutely no point in pining this level of sick to any political ideology and I find it disturbing that people are still trying to do so even after it's become clear how insane this guy is.
My biggest worry at this point is that he's going to get off on his insanity and spend the rest of his life in a cozy mental ward. It makes me sick as hell that he killed a 9 year old girl and others. I don't give a rats ass if he's sick, I'd like to see him fry.
Bro i agree he seems whacked but as someone who has studied psychology its not that easy man this dude could be totally sane to be honest.
I agree this guy should be put down like the cancer he is
and do a search of this dude bro, its obvious that the left is trying very very hard to pin him as a right wing nut job....like ive said multiple time none of it matters b/c he seems psycho but if all that has come out is true he is a liberal...
its important b/c there are ppl out there that will try to pin this on palin, beck, oreilly etc...and it needs to be shown this isnt true...
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I honestly dont get the mentally insane plea the death penalty is more than just punishment its also about retribution for the victim and their families and whether the guy is mentally insane or not doesnt change the need or desire for retribution...
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besides being mentally ill he ranted about not being able to trust the government, loss of property rights and the current "treasonous" laws of the government
does any of that sound familiar?
Hahahahaah...Are you saying 3 is mentally ill too?
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Hahahahaah...Are you saying 3 is mentally ill too?
jagson do you feel responsible for this with your fear mongering about the US dollar not being backed by gold and to buy gold/silver?
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supposedly the sherrif has said that he is not insane but he is not stable....
in all likilihood he doesnt have the training to tell but like I said it wouldnt suprise me at all if this dude happened to be completely sane
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Hahahahaah...Are you saying 3 is mentally ill too?
I'm just asking questions
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supposedly he threatened the lives of others
how does someone like this not end up in jail before this???
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Bro i agree he seems whacked but as someone who has studied psychology its not that easy man this dude could be totally sane to be honest.
I agree this guy should be put down like the cancer he is
and do a search of this dude bro, its obvious that the left is trying very very hard to pin him as a right wing nut job....like ive said multiple time none of it matters b/c he seems psycho but if all that has come out is true he is a liberal...
its important b/c there are ppl out there that will try to pin this on palin, beck, oreilly etc...and it needs to be shown this isnt true...
yea, I said it was wrong for the left to pin it on the right. Hell they did so even before we leared who the shooter was!!!! That doesn't make it ok to pin it on the left once it's clear how insane he is. And this guy is insane. You can't read his writing and come to any other conclusion. That is seriously some of the most bizare shit I've ever read. It's at least so strange that it should be clear to even those who hate the left that nobody on the left can connect to what this guy's ideas. Liberals are reading this guy's crap and scratching their heads too lol...
Let's look at a few things here:
1. The guy campaigned for the congresswoman, then later turned against her.
2. He talked about the need to have currency backed by gold and silver, the main voice of that idea comes from libertarians and ron paul followers along with some tea party folks. It doesn't come from the left.
3. The guy also mentioned mein kampf, a favorite work in some extreme far right circles.
What's that all mean? Nothing... The guy is fucking insane. It would be stupid to attempt to use those things against the right or Ron Paul. The one thing that becomes clear in reading what he wrote is that he took EVERYTHING he read and applied his own extremely bizare interpretation to it. One that neither the left or right can identify with. With that being the case, there is no point in pinning his actions on either the left or right in this case.
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yea, I said it was wrong for the left to pin it on the right. Hell they did so even before we leared who the shooter was!!!! That doesn't make it ok to pin it on the left once it's clear how insane he is. And this guy is insane. You can't read his writing and come to any other conclusion. That is seriously some of the most bizare shit I've ever read. It's at least so strange that it should be clear to even those who hate the left that nobody on the left can connect to what this guy's ideas. Liberals are reading this guy's crap and scratching their heads too lol...
Let's look at a few things here:
1. The guy campaigned for the congresswoman, then later turned against her.
2. He talked about the need to have currency backed by gold and silver, the main voice of that idea comes from libertarians and ron paul followers along with some tea party folks. It doesn't come from the left.
3. The guy also mentioned mein kampf, a favorite work in some extreme far right circles.
What's that all mean? Nothing... The guy is fucking insane. It would be stupid to attempt to use those things against the right or Ron Paul. The one thing that becomes clear in reading what he wrote is that he took EVERYTHING he read and applied his own extremely bizare interpretation to it. One that neither the left or right can identify with. With that being the case, there is no point in pinning his actions on either the left or right in this case.
did you read the post supposedly from him, about her voting against pelosi?
mein kampf is also a socialist book as well, communist manifesto....
I agree bro and like I said, its important though b/c you are going to have a push and a big one by certain parties mainly on the left to push this on the right as it always happens with incidents such as this...so the facts need to come out
I honestly dont know if he is insane bro, after looking at the stuff him supposedly telling his friends not to be mad etc...I think he may just be a weird fucker and not insane...maybe a sociopath instead of a psychopath...
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look at any of the shit out there by the AP hugo, i know you disagree with it but this is the reason why ppl are fighting to show he is a liberal...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_politics_threats_analysis
no where in this article about the toxic atmosphere in politics does it mention pelosi referring to tea party activist nazi's, obama calling reps the enemy or terrorists/hostage takers...
but it sure does mention palin and the tea party...
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supposedly looking for a 2nd suspect, a white male in his 50's...
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did you read the post supposedly from him, about her voting against pelosi?
mein kampf is also a socialist book as well, communist manifesto....
I agree bro and like I said, its important though b/c you are going to have a push and a big one by certain parties mainly on the left to push this on the right as it always happens with incidents such as this...so the facts need to come out
I honestly dont know if he is insane bro, after looking at the stuff him supposedly telling his friends not to be mad etc...I think he may just be a weird fucker and not insane...maybe a sociopath instead of a psychopath...
1st... I'm equally against the left blaming the right as I am about the right blaming the left. It's fucking stupid in this case.
2nd... Read this entire thing especially to the end and tell me this is not from an insane person. This my friend is highly delusional, not just weird:
"If there's no flag in the constitution then the flag in the film is unknown.
There's no flag in the constitution.
Therefore, the flag in the film is unknown.
Burn every new and old flag that you see.
Burn your flag!
I bet you can imagine this in your mind with a faster speed.
Watch this protest in reverse!
Ask the local police; "What's your illegal activity on duty?".
If you protest the government then there's a new government from protesting.
There's not a new government from protesting.
Thus, you aren't protesting the government.
There's something important in this video: There's no communication to anyone in this location.
You shouldn't be afraid of the stars.
There's a new bird on my right shoulder. The beak is two feet and lime green. The rarest bird on earth, there's no feathers, but small grey scales all over the body. It's with one large red eye with a light blue iris. The bird feet are the same as a woodpecker. This new bird and there's only one, the gender is not female or male. The wings of this bird are beautiful; 3 feet wide with the shape of a bald eagle that you could die for. If you can see this bird then you will understand. You think this bird is able to chat about a government?
I want you to imagine a comet or meteoroid coming through the atmosphere.
On the other hand, welcome yourself to the desert: Maybe your ability to protest is from the brainwash of the current g"
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random ramblings dont really mean to much, he apparently apologized or told his friends to not be mad today before going to carry this out...
that shows that it was premeditated and that he had a conscious understanding of what he was going to do and how it would be percieved negatively...
this guy seems sane to me to be honest
the ramblings could be his moronic way of trying to be creative and unique...
ever read one of johnny falcons posts? same shit the guy is a moron but he isnt insane
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look at any of the shit out there by the AP hugo, i know you disagree with it but this is the reason why ppl are fighting to show he is a liberal...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_politics_threats_analysis
no where in this article about the toxic atmosphere in politics does it mention pelosi referring to tea party activist nazi's, obama calling reps the enemy or terrorists/hostage takers...
but it sure does mention palin and the tea party...
Tony, I probably read more on this today than anybody out there. I was glued to every story coming in on a live feed. I saw all of the stories blaming the right and I have expressed that I think it was stupid. The best thing to do in this case is to do what I'm doing and denounce it all on both sides. Especially in this case. The guy's thought patterns are neither left or right, they're fucked in the head insane.
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random ramblings dont really mean to much, he apparently apologized or told his friends to not be mad today before going to carry this out...
that shows that it was premeditated and that he had a conscious understanding of what he was going to do and how it would be percieved negatively...
this guy seems sane to me to be honest
the ramblings could be his moronic way of trying to be creative and unique...
ever read one of johnny falcons posts? same shit the guy is a moron but he isnt insane
::) I'm done... If you think that's the ramblings of a sane man, we have nothing else to talk about ::) Have fun in your venture to pin this guy's deeds on the left ::)
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::) I'm done... If you think that's the ramblings of a sane man, we have nothing else to talk about ::)
im not saying he is sane brosky but its definitely a possibility to be honest...
lol nothing to get upset over man, whatever though im out for the night
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When the president of this country is calling the other party terrorists because they're not in line with his agenda I can't help but wonder why this hasn't happened sooner.
That said, his rantings don't really seem much different from some of the people on here. I wonder how close SamsonEnterprises is to picking up a gun. I honestly can't tell the difference between her and this guy. :-\
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im not saying he is sane brosky but its definitely a possibility to be honest...
lol nothing to get upset over man, whatever though im out for the night
I'm not upset. It's just that there's nothing left to talk about if you think that guy is sane. If you think he is sane, then that opens it up to play the blame game. I can't read what he wrote and see anything but pure bizare insanity so we have nowhere to go in debating this. You can go on and blame the left and I'll just roll my eyes and move on lol... not pissed, just nowhere to go considering he might be sane.
The guy wasn't joking around or just being weird writing this stuff. This is stuff he believed and was trying to express so much that he ended up killing people as his exclamation mark to his beliefs. Beliefs that I will add once again are so strange they have everyone right and left scratching their heads. That is a major point; nobody is reading this guys words and finding some ideology to connect with or even understand lol... That alone should make it apparent that it's stupid to blame either the left or right for what this guy did.
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I'm not upset. It's just that there's nothing left to talk about if you think that guy is sane. If you think he is sane, then that opens it up to play the blame game. I can't read what he wrote and see anything but pure bizare insanity so we have nowhere to go in debating this. You can go on and blame the left and I'll just roll my eyes and move on lol... not pissed, just nowhere to go considering he might be sane.
The guy wasn't joking around or just being weird writing this stuff. This is stuff he believed and was trying to express so much that he ended up killing people as his exclamation mark to his beliefs. Beliefs that I will add once again are so strange they have everyone right and left scratching their heads. That is a major point; nobody is reading this guys words and finding some ideology to connect with or even understand lol... That alone should make it apparent that it's stupid to blame either the left or right for what this guy did.
I disagree even if he is sane there is still nobody to blame but him
Google blueboy dailykos and read those post supposedly thats him and some are perfectly coherent
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I'm not upset. It's just that there's nothing left to talk about if you think that guy is sane. If you think he is sane, then that opens it up to play the blame game. I can't read what he wrote and see anything but pure bizare insanity so we have nowhere to go in debating this. You can go on and blame the left and I'll just roll my eyes and move on lol... not pissed, just nowhere to go considering he might be sane.
The guy wasn't joking around or just being weird writing this stuff. This is stuff he believed and was trying to express so much that he ended up killing people as his exclamation mark to his beliefs. Beliefs that I will add once again are so strange they have everyone right and left scratching their heads. That is a major point; nobody is reading this guys words and finding some ideology to connect with or even understand lol... That alone should make it apparent that it's stupid to blame either the left or right for what this guy did.
The reason the blame game is being played can be directly attributed to the leftists and the liberal MSM. Before they even had this guy identified they were all screaming about Palin and right-wing this and right-wing that. Just read the stickied thread on it and you'll see 240 as well as some others wasted no time jumping right on that train. It's not surprising that the right-wing fired back when stuff came out pointing towards this guy having liberal ties.
Whether he is or isn't I don't know. But the left should hold themselves accountable for starting this blame game shit. So quick to vilify the right that they start their rantings before the guy was even ID'ed.
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When the president of this country is calling the other party terrorists because they're not in line with his agenda I can't help but wonder why this hasn't happened sooner.
That said, his rantings don't really seem much different from some of the people on here. I wonder how close SamsonEnterprises is to picking up a gun. I honestly can't tell the difference between her and this guy. :-\
really? lol... Jag is disturbed. She is a attention whore always seeking to glorify herself in some way. She does give off this image that she's better and smarter than everyone else. She is annoying as hell. She seems quite willing to put her own interests above all others. She has some bizare compulsion to make everyone believe she is best buddies with every big star in holywood--annoying beyond belief. And she gets downright nasty when upset. But no way she is as loony as this guy imo...
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The reason the blame game is being played can be directly attributed to the leftists and the liberal MSM. Before they even had this guy identified they were all screaming about Palin and right-wing this and right-wing that. Just read the stickied thread on it and you'll see 240 as well as some others wasted no time jumping right on that train. It's not surprising that the right-wing fired back when stuff came out pointing towards this guy having liberal ties.
Whether he is or isn't I don't know. But the left should hold themselves accountable for starting this blame game shit. So quick to vilify the right that they start their rantings before the guy was even ID'ed.
same thing I said in several posts already and in this thread. I agree, the left was stupid and wrong to jump so fast to blame the right on this. You're right, the left jumped out of the gates first with this shit. But I can't translate that to the right being correct in blaming the left for this guy being a complete nut. All I can say is that the left was totally wrong and stupid to blame the right. It especially looks bad when they did indeed blame the right even before we had the shooters name.
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did you read the post supposedly from him, about her voting against pelosi?
mein kampf is also a socialist book as well, communist manifesto....
I agree bro and like I said, its important though b/c you are going to have a push and a big one by certain parties mainly on the left to push this on the right as it always happens with incidents such as this...so the facts need to come out
I honestly dont know if he is insane bro, after looking at the stuff him supposedly telling his friends not to be mad etc...I think he may just be a weird fucker and not insane...maybe a sociopath instead of a psychopath...
Mein Kampf is not a socialist/communist book its quite the opposite its a facist book....
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I disagree even if he is sane there is still nobody to blame but him
Google blueboy dailykos and read those post supposedly thats him and some are perfectly coherent
several accounts:
"Blue boy posted pretty quickly after the shooting, apparently he pulled his own article, and was in shock that someone shot the congresswoman. Not the same person."
"blueboy has been posting on kos after the incident so they are not the same"
"Blueboy has sent out a post tonight apologizing for his statements regarding Gillfords. I doubt the suspect has access to the Internet"
Blueboy is still posting online: http://www.blogula-rasa.com/2011/01/09/sometimes-a-nut-is-just-a-nut-but-probably-not-a-left-wing-nut/
"BoyBlue’s email says his name is Joey Stuart"
so much for sounding perfectly coherent lol
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Dangerous talk Hugo.
Let the institutions of democracy handle this.
If we don't we are truly doomed.
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The blame palin/teaparty crap was started at left eing sites and parroted here as well. It also was banged like a drum on the tv.
If you go to du, nyt, wapo, etc they are in a frenzy blaming the right for this.
Now that some of the facts on this freak are out, they still are trying that angle.
This is no different than madcow blaming beck for the death of the census worker in kentucky.
Truly revolting that the far left is doing this AGAIN.
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The blame palin/teaparty crap was started at left eing sites and parroted here as well. It also was banged like a drum on the tv.
If you go to du, nyt, wapo, etc they are in a frenzy blaming the right for this.
Now that some of the facts on this freak are out, they still are trying that angle.
This is no different than madcow blaming beck for the death of the census worker in kentucky.
Truly revolting that the far left is doing this AGAIN.
I think I already said that.
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I get it. You wouldn't do it. I believe you no problem.
But it's exactly this type of rhetoric that I think is a waste. It only leads to more panic. When we need to keep things cool.
One thing worth noting in all of this sadness.
As a foreigner to USA, I can attest to that Americans do get stronger when there is a threat to the foundation of their freedom.
I think USA, and its citizens, will rise up and face this fucked up adversity.
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several accounts:
"Blue boy posted pretty quickly after the shooting, apparently he pulled his own article, and was in shock that someone shot the congresswoman. Not the same person."
"blueboy has been posting on kos after the incident so they are not the same"
"Blueboy has sent out a post tonight apologizing for his statements regarding Gillfords. I doubt the suspect has access to the Internet"
Blueboy is still posting online: http://www.blogula-rasa.com/2011/01/09/sometimes-a-nut-is-just-a-nut-but-probably-not-a-left-wing-nut/
"BoyBlue’s email says his name is Joey Stuart"
so much for sounding perfectly coherent lol
again i said supposedly...there is still alot of misinfo coming out
brosky these ppl dont usually just go insane all at once, there is usually a bunch of incidents that you can point to before. Yes he has had behavioural problems(run ins with the law, getting kicked out of school) but those could be sociological problems, not psychological...
what weve based the psycho thing off of was the youtube clips which was all we had at the moment...
he also posted as I stated an apology and a request for his friends not to be mad, thats not really something a person who is LEGALLY insane would do...
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batshit crazy:
Is one of your favorite toys a remote control car?
If NASA creates a mars rover that communicates from mars then the signal reaches from the distance of mars.
The signal doesn’t reach from the distance of mars.
Nonetheless, NASA creates a mars rover that doesn’t communicate from mars.
If NASA communication signals reaches mars then NASA communication signal from the mars rover.
The NASA communication signals reaches mars
Therefore, NASA communication signals from the mars rover.
If the pictures are from mars then the mars rover is on mars.
The Mars rover is not on mars.
Therefore, the pictures are not from mars.
NASA creates a remote control rover that is impossible to reach mars.
NASA fakes the situation they plan with the mars rover.
Therefore, NASA creates a remote control rover that’s impossible to reach mars and fakes the situation they plan with the mars rover.
NASA sends the the Mars Rover to mars with communication or NASA fakes the situation.
NASA didn’t send the Mars Rover to mars with communication.
Therefore, NASA fakes the situation.
If the mars rover lands on mars with communication then NASA sent the Mars Rover to mars.
The mars rover lands on mars with communication.
Therefore, NASA sent the mars rover to mars with communication.
The distance from earth and mars is about 33,926,867.1 miles.
The distance from earth and mars changes.
Think about how NASA sends the mars rover
Think about how NASA is able to communicate from that distance.
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mega batshit
What is wrong or right with the current date?
How is the current date right or wrong?
Why is or isn't this the date?
When is or isn't the date ending or beginning?
Today is July 7th 2010.
Why is the year infinite in the date?
Example:
Today is July 7th 201062010654843578465784 151015954324841895498201 065484357846578415101595 432484189549820106548435 784657841510159543248418 954982010654843578465784 151015 954324841895498201065484 357846578415101595432484 189549820106548435784657 841510159543248418954982 010654843578465784151015 954324841895498201065484 357846 578415101595432484189549 820106548435784657841510 159543248418954982010654 843578465784151015954324 841895498201065484357846 578415101595432484189549 820106 548435784657841510159543 248418954982010654843578 465784151015954324841895 498201065484357846578415 101595432484189549820106 548435784657841510159543 248418 954982010654843578465784 151015954324841895498201 065484357846578415101595 432484189549820106548435 784657841510159543248418 954982010654843578465784 151015 954324841895498201065484 357846578415101595432484 189549820106548435784657 841510159543248418954982 010654843578465784151015 954324841895498548435784 657841 51015954324841895498
This will or will not continue in year for how long?
What are the viewers thoughts of a infinite year?
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If the date is infinite in year then there’s an argument on any year.
The date is infinite in year.
Therefore, there’s an argument on any year
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Are you going to tell me that its hard to make a compound-complex sentence?
Ha! You can't fool me with grammar mind games.
How did B.C. end in year for the start of A.D.?
If A.D. is ending then the year is finite.
The year is not finite.
Therefore, A.D. is not ending.
If the year is finite then the calender is at limit in years.
The calendar is not at a limit in years.
Therefore, The year is not finite.
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The time being arbitrary isn't true.
I don't think humans are winging it.
You either accept the infinite year or you don't.
If you don't accept the infinite year then you'll never accept it.
Are you not afraid of an infinite year?
What a horror to understand for the future generations!
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I notice for some currency's the date is printed on them.
What a sad day to see the whole currency being filled with the date.
I couldn't accept a finite date because of the obvious proof that is presented. Therefore, the date as infinite!
I know you believe the date is finite. But the population and other posters are accepting the date as infinite.
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For a birth and death certificate that is used in society!
For future or past planning of daily life!
Infinite: unlimited or unmeasurable in extent of space, duration of time, etc.: the infinite nature of outer space.
Year: A period of 365 or 366 days, in the Gregorian calendar, divided into 12 calendar months, now reckoned as beginning Jan. 1 and ending Dec. 31 (calendar year or civil year).
The year is currently 2010.
I purpose that this post can be looked at in the year 201023165748979874984540 195480654201023165748979 874564864086043504532012 310230123012312301231023 123125451651965415456196 520084056016218945198510 985124 061616630631305088996261 204350465049502601692034 045906130496032196034059 613049562031096430463041 209631209643509643504290 6312.0510684246243206005 942954 367456765564765446675367 436476586654967549654765 624326126564265624606446 561240685456584466486456 478646489824985642984546 029484604625467879583778 983579 837579873597035986739587 538674035671356547265440 763556470398577409358670 985779856789846799876499 745467652466243512465743 987465354679835467034782 516652 169834406983514709853610 793546709835406798354075 635167065356754798734565 498321567976134598724566 541954564234052435564245 084540195480654051489402 109051 489402109
The year shall never end!
The year shall never end!
The year shall never end!
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what the fuck?
Was one of your favorite toys a plastic NASA Space Shuttle?
If the design of the NASA Space Shuttle keeps the black body temperature of −454 °F from the outside orbit then the NASA Space Shuttle is at a temperature for human life.
The NASA Space Shuttle isn’t at a temperature for human life.
Hence, the design of the NASA Space Shuttle doesn’t keep the black body temperature of −454 °F from the outside orbit.
If the air supply supports the NASA Space Shuttle mission for the time in orbit then the crew is able to breathe with the correct amount of oxygen for the time in orbit.
The crew is not able to breathe with the correct amount of oxygen for the time in orbit.
Consequently, the air supply doesn’t support the NASA Space Shuttle mission for the time in orbit
If the crew of the NASA mission uses a green screen then they are able to fake the mission.
The crew of the NASA mission uses a green screen.
Therefore, they are able to fake the mission.
If the 0 gravity affects the human body then the crew is at risk for body failure.
The 0 gravity affects the human body.
Therefore, the crew is at risk for body failure.
If the NASA Space Shuttle is with a crew in orbit then they're able to perform the mission with the conditions in orbit.
They're not able to perform the mission with the conditions in orbit.
Thus, the NASA Space Shuttle isn’t with a crew in orbit.
If the NASA Space Shuttle is able to reenter from the orbit of the Earth then the NASA Space Shuttle is able to reenter because of the heat of 1,500 °C.
The NASA Space Shuttle isn’t able to reenter because of the heat of 1,500 °C.
Hence, the NASA Space Shuttle isn’t able to reenter the orbit of the Earth.
If the NASA Space Shuttle is able to reenter from the orbit of Earth then the NASA Space Shuttle is in orbit.
The NASA Space Shuttle isn’t in orbit.
Therefore, the NASA Space Shuttle isn’t able to reenter from the orbit of Earth.
If the force of entry into orbit is strong enough to cause death to a human body then there’s death to a human body in entry from earth to orbit.
The force of entry into orbit is strong enough to cause death to a human body.
Hence, there’s death to a human body in entry from earth to orbit.
If the force of reentry into orbit is strong enough to cause death to a human body then there’s death to a human body in reentry from earth to orbit.
The force of reentry into orbit is strong enough to cause death to a human body.
Hence, there’s death to a human body in reentry from earth to orbit.
Are you scared of what happens after ET separation?
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Your are miscreant with a reply of misconception!
I know you are ridicules for the attack of grammar.
This grammar problem might be true for you, but isn't true for me!
If the living space is able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of −454 °F then the human body is alive in the NASA Space Shuttle.
The human body isn't alive in the NASA Space Shuttle.
Thus, the living space isn't able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of −454 °F.
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Sounds like he took palins website and acted upon it. Lol.
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:-\ He uploaded the attached image with this post. Anyone who says this isn't insane is probably not playing with a full deck themselves lol...
This is for determining the location.
I present this because of how to locate the money source for distribution.
If the poster locates the currency for purchase then the currency is in use for the location.
The currency isn't in use for the location.
Therefore, the poster didn't locate the currency for purchase.
If the poster locates the universe then the poster locates the outside universe.
The poster didn't locate the outside universe.
Nonetheless, the poster didn't locate the universe.
This is flattering to me for the location of a currency!
How flattering is this thread!
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bro i know his shit sounds stupid and insane but it actually looks like very basic logic shit
if A = B
and B = C
Then A = C
type shit
basic if, then statements
if all dogs are a boys
and steve has 3 dogs
then the dogs are all boys...
like i said it just sounds
his shit is set up alot the same way, yea its crazy shit he seems to be talking about but it could be very possible that this guy is completely sane
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::) yea, someone who talks like that constantly and can't make a single true or logical statement. Oh no, he's not crazy ::) come the fuck on man, it's clear as fuck this guy is creating his own reality. A delusion that has no foundation in the real world. You have got to be retarded to not see how nuts this fuckhead is.
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::) yea, someone who talks like that constantly and can't make a single true or logical statement. Oh no, he's not crazy ::) come the fuck on man, it's clear as fuck this guy is creating his own reality. A delusion that has no foundation in the real world. You have got to be retarded to not see how nuts this fuckhead is.
lol there is no need to name call or roll your eyes, all im saying is I will wait until more shit comes out...
again he posted a clip apologizing and asking his friends not to be mad before he did this, it was coherent and shows he knew what he was doing and that it would be percieved negatively...he at the very least had enough cognitive ability to understand that...
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He's no more crazy than the people walking around talking about nutty conspiracy theories. I bet he understands right from wrong.
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::) yea, someone who talks like that constantly and can't make a single true or logical statement. Oh no, he's not crazy ::) come the fuck on man, it's clear as fuck this guy is creating his own reality. A delusion that has no foundation in the real world. You have got to be retarded to not see how nuts this fuckhead is.
are you talking about Tony?
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If all CTers are crazy
And Jared was a stupid CTer
Then all CTers are crazy and stupid.
Amidoingitright?
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If all CTers are crazy
And Jared was a stupid CTer
Then all CTers are crazy and stupid.
Amidoingitright?
lol
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He's no more crazy than the people walking around talking about nutty conspiracy theories. I bet he understands right from wrong.
without a doubt otherwise he wouldnt have posted a video asking his friends not to be mad right before he went down there...
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Definately shows premeditation.
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without a doubt otherwise he wouldnt have posted a video asking his friends not to be mad right before he went down there...
Yep. And if he made any attempt to escape he had to know he was doing something wrong.
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If I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment then I'm a victim of fraud. I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment. Therefore, I'm a victim of fraud.
All purchases for an educational course in The United States as of now are unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution. A student paying for a Pima Community College course is a purchase for an educational course in the United States as of now. Therefore, a student paying for a Pima Community College course is unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution.
If you're receiving a grade from Pima Community College class then the grade you're receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights. You're receiving a grade from Pima Community College class. Therefore, the grade you're receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights. The grading you purchase from Pima Community College is unconstitutional at tuition.
The United States Department of Education is allowing unconstitutional education facility's to operate or the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility's to operate. The United States Department of Education isn't allowing unconstitutional education facility's to operate. Thus, the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility's to operate.
If the police remove you from the educational facility for talking then removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States. The police remove you from the educational facility for talking. Thus, removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States. This situation is fraud because the police are unconstitutional!
Every police officer in the United States as of now is unconstitutionally working. Pima Community College police are police in the United States. Therefore, Pima Community College police are unconstitutionally working. The police are unconstitutionally working!
All United States of America's college programs are unconstitutional colleges that's in accordance with the United States of America's Constitution. Pima Community College is a United States of America's college program. Hence, Pima Community College is an unconstitutional college that's in accordance with the United States of America's Constitution.
Every Pima Community College class is using free sources for education from the internet. Algebra is a Pima Community College class. Thus, Algebra is a free source for education from the internet. Every Pima Community College class is always a scam!
If you're literate in English grammar then you know English grammar. You don't know English grammar. Thus, you're not literate in English grammar. Most of the teachers and students at Pima Community College are illiterate.
If I'm thinking of adding the 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system then I'm thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. I'm thinking of adding the 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. Thus, I'm thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. You control the grammar!
Don't be scared to know you can't find the location of a subject: Most students can't locate a subject! Most people know all the subjects are for mind control and brainwash! The students are unconstitutionally paying for free education! The students are attending a torture facility! You know the teachers are con artists?
You now know - every college's unconstitutional crime! You shouldn't pay unconstitutional money for free speech! Don't trust the current government, listener!
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the more and more I read from him the more and more i get the feeling this was just a moron that thought he was unique and had a special insight to things who had an ax to grind
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He's no more crazy than the people walking around talking about nutty conspiracy theories. I bet he understands right from wrong.
maybe he believed what he was doing was right...
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If all CTers are crazy
And Jared was a stupid CTer
Then all CTers are crazy and stupid.
Amidoingitright?
lol the "then" should be "then jared is crazy" but i like it
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maybe he believed what he was doing was right...
He could believe that and still know that his conduct was illegal. I seriously doubt he didn't understand he was committing a crime.
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maybe he believed what he was doing was right...
then why would he ask his friend to not be mad?
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If I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment then I'm a victim of fraud. I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment. Therefore, I'm a victim of fraud.
All purchases for an educational course in The United States as of now are unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution. A student paying for a Pima Community College course is a purchase for an educational course in the United States as of now. Therefore, a student paying for a Pima Community College course is unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution.
If you're receiving a grade from Pima Community College class then the grade you're receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights. You're receiving a grade from Pima Community College class. Therefore, the grade you're receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights. The grading you purchase from Pima Community College is unconstitutional at tuition.
The United States Department of Education is allowing unconstitutional education facility's to operate or the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility's to operate. The United States Department of Education isn't allowing unconstitutional education facility's to operate. Thus, the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility's to operate.
If the police remove you from the educational facility for talking then removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States. The police remove you from the educational facility for talking. Thus, removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States. This situation is fraud because the police are unconstitutional!
Every police officer in the United States as of now is unconstitutionally working. Pima Community College police are police in the United States. Therefore, Pima Community College police are unconstitutionally working. The police are unconstitutionally working!
All United States of America's college programs are unconstitutional colleges that's in accordance with the United States of America's Constitution. Pima Community College is a United States of America's college program. Hence, Pima Community College is an unconstitutional college that's in accordance with the United States of America's Constitution.
Every Pima Community College class is using free sources for education from the internet. Algebra is a Pima Community College class. Thus, Algebra is a free source for education from the internet. Every Pima Community College class is always a scam!
If you're literate in English grammar then you know English grammar. You don't know English grammar. Thus, you're not literate in English grammar. Most of the teachers and students at Pima Community College are illiterate.
If I'm thinking of adding the 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system then I'm thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. I'm thinking of adding the 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. Thus, I'm thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. You control the grammar!
Don't be scared to know you can't find the location of a subject: Most students can't locate a subject! Most people know all the subjects are for mind control and brainwash! The students are unconstitutionally paying for free education! The students are attending a torture facility! You know the teachers are con artists?
You now know - every college's unconstitutional crime! You shouldn't pay unconstitutional money for free speech! Don't trust the current government, listener!
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the more and more I read from him the more and more i get the feeling this was just a moron that thought he was unique and had a special insight to things who had an ax to grind
you're the first person I've heard who claims to understand his ramblings
can you expalin to the rest of us what he's talking about?
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lol the "then" should be "then jared is crazy" but i like it
;D
Jared's not doing a lot of good for the CTers of the world today.
Wonder who the next CTer to snap will be. 240? BlackenMonAnus007? SamsonEnterprises?
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you're the first person I've heard who claims to understand his ramblings
can you expalin to the rest of us what he's talking about?
I dont claim to understand him dumb ass but his comments are basic if, then logic statements...I know you missed logic class so here is a link to catch you up...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
what he is doing or seems to be doing is trying to produce valid logical arguments(valid using the definition used in logic, again i know your experience with this is limited so here is another link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument#Validity).
if youve taken a logic class or read a book on it youve seen some out there statements in order to prove points about the concepts they are trying to teach such as validity.
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;D
Jared's not doing a lot of good for the CTers of the world today.
Wonder who the next CTer to snap will be. 240? BlackenMonAnus007? SamsonEnterprises?
I think you'd have to ask which CTer's are the angriest and most irrational.
Which of them can you actually imagine screaming when they post, or breaking into an actual sweat?
Questioning official stories - chewing on CTs - is perfectly healthy. There are quite a few in congress who subscribe to a CT about Obama's birthplace. There are dozens upon dozens of world and military leaders who believe in UFOs.
Most of the time, a "CT" is just a guess about the truth when the truth may be classified or just better not to share with americans.
I don't think any getbiggers seem really angry or disturbed enough to do something crazy like this. We are mostly just regular joes who love the USA and just believe 'the other political party' is doing things the wrong way. This AZ shooter seemed completely unhinged.
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Sounds like he took palins website and acted upon it. Lol.
Don't make that jump to conclusions, man. We don't know what his motive was. It is very possible it was a coincidence that he shot someone whose likeness Palin put under targets, but that he didn't do it BECAUSE of that thoughtless image she put up and KEPT up.
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I dont claim to understand him dumb ass but his comments are basic if, then logic statements...I know you missed logic class so here is a link to catch you up...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic
what he is doing or seems to be doing is producing valid logical arguments(valid using the definition used in logic, again i know your experience with this is limited so here is another link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument#Validity).
if youve taken a logic class or read a book on it youve seen some out there statements in order to prove points about the concepts they are trying to teach such as validity.
oh brother - not you and your attempt at logic lessons again
you got your ass handed to you a week ago with that crap
seriously man - do yourself and favor and try to free yourself of the delusion that you're some kind of logic master
you're just em barressing yourself and I mean that with all sincerity
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oh brother - not you and your attempt at logic lessons again
you got your ass handed to you a week ago with that crap
seriously man - do yourself and favor and try to free yourself of the delusion that you're some kind of logic master
you're just em barressing yourself and I mean that with all sincerity
LMFAO where was i when this happend?
again i dont fancy myself a logic master just a person with a basic understanding of it...sorry that offends you
why dont you troll in another thread instead of trying to derail this one
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LMFAO where was i when this happend?
again i dont fancy myself a logic master just a person with a basic understanding of it...sorry that offends you
why dont you troll in another thread instead of trying to derail this one
how should I know where you were
I honestly thought maybe you had learned your lesson and would just start posting without carrying on this delusion that you're some logic professor
here you go: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=360210.0
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He's no more crazy than the people walking around talking about nutty conspiracy theories. I bet he understands right from wrong.
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Stick that up that up your rear end, CT nut. :)
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how should I know where you were
I honestly thought maybe you had learned your lesson and would just start posting without carrying on this delusion that you're some logic professor
here you go: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=360210.0
laughing my ass off so TU posting a link to gays who believe the way I do is me getting owned?
LOL just b/c he disagrees doesnt mean I got owned just that he doesnt agree with me ;)
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Stick that up that up your rear end, CT nut. :)
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laughing my ass off so TU posting a link to gays who believe the way I do is me getting owned?
LOL just b/c he disagrees doesnt mean I got owned just that he doesnt agree with me ;)
you got owned so bad on that thread it got embarrassing to witness
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you got owned so bad on that thread it got em barressing to witness
hahah nice to know that the person posted a group who validated my argument but i got owned lmao hahahah
another classic straw man moment...
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hahah nice to know that the person posted a group who validated my argument but i got owned lmao hahahah
another classic straw man moment...
translation please
I'm starting to see why you think Loughner's writings make sense
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translation please
I'm starting to see why you think Loughner's writings make sense
lol hi troll....
look through that thread TU himself posts a link to a group who are gay rights advocates that share my view point... ;)
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lol hi troll....
look through that thread TU himself posts a link to a group who are gay rights advocates that share my view point... ;)
Now you're going to try the Appeal to Authority fallacy?
Did you learn about that in the logic class you claimed to have taken?
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Now you're going to try the Appeal to Authority fallacy?
Did you learn about that in the logic class you claimed to have taken?
hahhahhahahahha
ok if you insist on trolling lets at least go back to the original thread and quit derailing this one...
please go back and explain my false logic
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hahhahhahahahha
ok if you insist on trolling lets at least go back to the original thread and quit derailing this one...
please go back and explain my false logic
good decision
go brush up on Appeal to Authority or Argument from Authority before you humiliate yourself again
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good decision
go brush up on Appeal to Authority or Argument from Authority before you humiliate yourself again
LOL ill be waiting for yet another "the post office is doing just fine" moment ::)
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LOL ill be waiting for yet another "the post office is doing just fine" moment ::)
while you're wating maybe you should write down some of your thought like our shooter in AZ and post them on your facebook page
the world needs to hear from logic master like you two
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while you're wating maybe you should write down some of your thought like our shooter in AZ and post them on your facebook page
the world needs to hear from logic master like you two
still waiting...
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So much for him being "crazy."
Arizona massacre suspect: 'I planned ahead'
By the CNN Wire Staff
January 9, 2011
(CNN) -- The suspect in the weekend massacre in Arizona scrawled "my assassination" and "I planned ahead" on an envelope found in his home, according to court documents released Sunday.
The details were part of criminal complaint filed against 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, the Tucson man now charged in Saturday's bloodbath at a supermarket where U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was hosting an open house for constituents. Investigators found a letter from the congresswoman in a safe at the house where Loughner lived with his parents, thanking him for attending a similar 2007 event, a federal agent's affidavit states.
"Also recovered in the safe was an envelope with handwriting on the envelope stating 'I planned ahead,' and 'my assassination' and the name 'Giffords,' along with what appears to be Loughner's signature," the affidavit states.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/09/arizona.shooting.investigation/index.html?hpt=T1
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So much for him being "crazy."
Arizona massacre suspect: 'I planned ahead'
By the CNN Wire Staff
January 9, 2011
(CNN) -- The suspect in the weekend massacre in Arizona scrawled "my assassination" and "I planned ahead" on an envelope found in his home, according to court documents released Sunday.
The details were part of criminal complaint filed against 22-year-old Jared Lee Loughner, the Tucson man now charged in Saturday's bloodbath at a supermarket where U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords was hosting an open house for constituents. Investigators found a letter from the congresswoman in a safe at the house where Loughner lived with his parents, thanking him for attending a similar 2007 event, a federal agent's affidavit states.
"Also recovered in the safe was an envelope with handwriting on the envelope stating 'I planned ahead,' and 'my assassination' and the name 'Giffords,' along with what appears to be Loughner's signature," the affidavit states.
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/01/09/arizona.shooting.investigation/index.html?hpt=T1
crazy people can't plan ahead?
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still waiting...
for what?
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for what?
for you to show me my false logic in the other thread...
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crazy people can't plan ahead?
yes they can, just like sane ppl can make idiotic ramblings on youtube...
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for you to show me my false logic in the other thread...
there are ten pages of many different people who exposed your flawed logic
go back and read it again if you need to
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there are ten pages of many different people who exposed your flawed logic
go back and read it again if you need to
pleaes bump the thread and point them out for me ;)
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pleaes bump the thread and point them out for me ;)
it's linked it this thread
go read it for yourself
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it's linked it this thread
go read it for yourself
i dont see the false logic, please point it out to me specifically
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i dont see the false logic, please point it out to me specifically
if you didn't get it after 10 pages why would I want to waste my time
Lurkers last post on that thread pretty much sums it up (I already decided to stop wasting my time on you 5 pages earlier)
This issue and his laughable run around when he is discussing pro-choice and men's inability to walk away from children they father always proceeds for pages and pages of him constantly running in circles and then asking you to tell him what he is suppose to be saying. He can't make a statement or noncontradicatory viewpoint without throwing in a question at the end trying to make you give him the answer he wants.
It's amusing to say the least.
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I've debated you here for about 5 years now, beach bum, and I know you fairly well.
Something seems to have changed with you, in the last few months. using profanity, insults, saying things like
Good grief. You are one insecure little twat. ::)
and
Stick that up that up your rear end
Everything cool, man? You used to be very peaceful and religious and never resorted to crass statements like these. What's up?
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I've debated you here for about 5 years now, beach bum, and I know you fairly well.
Something seems to have changed with you, in the last few months. using profanity, insults, saying things like
and
Everything cool, man? You used to be very peaceful and religious and never resorted to crass statements like these. What's up?
Yawn. ::) Context is everything grasshopper. :)
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if you didn't get it after 10 pages why would I want to waste my time
Lurkers last post on that thread pretty much sums it up (I already decided to stop wasting my time on you 5 pages earlier)
LOL well I guess since lurker said so it makes it so...check that fallacy you accused me of. ;)
again point out the specific false logic i used...
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LOL well I guess since lurker said so it makes it so...check that fallacy you accused me of. ;)
again point out the specific false logic i used...
no Lurker just summed up the last ten pages of you running in circles and how pointless it is to try having an actual conversation with you.
I gave you an example in this thread of your "false logic" and you didn't even seem to understand it
why would I keep wasting my time
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no Lurker just summed up the last ten pages of you running in circles and how pointless it is to try having an actual conversation with you.
I gave you an example in this thread of your "false logic" and you didn't even seem to understand it
why would I keep wasting my time
yup just as i thought not one, NOT ONE SINGLE QUOTE to prove your point
yet another the post office is doing just fine moment ::)
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yup just as i thought not one, NOT ONE SINGLE QUOTE to prove your point
yet another the post office is doing just fine moment ::)
new flash - doing this makes it harder to read
you love changing the subject when you can't defend yourself on the topic at hand
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new flash - doing this makes it harder to read
you love changing the subject when you can't defend yourself on the topic at hand
you were the one that brought this up dumb ass...LMAO
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you were the one that brought this up dumb ass...LMAO
I brought it up because you keep referirng to "logic" in this thread and the last time you did that you got your ass handed to you
just like you do every time
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I brought it up because you keep referirng to "logic" in this thread and the last time you did that you got your ass handed to you
just like you do every time
LOL then how am i changing the subject you dumb bastard LMAO, it was you who changed the subject...
my point which is valid, is about his writing and it being in basic if, then logic format...WHICH IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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odd? look at this, Giffords youtube channel. look at the lower left of the channel showing what channels she subscribed to. There are only two and one of them is the shooters channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2
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LOL then how am i changing the subject you dumb bastard LMAO, it was you who changed the subject...
my point which is valid, is about his writing and it being in basic if, then logic format...WHICH IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you mentioned logic in this thread
I suggested you should stop embarressing yourself with your attempts to explain logic and I sited a recent example as a reminder of the typical result when you attemp to give logic lessons
I'm honestly trying to help you out
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odd? look at this, Giffords youtube channel. look at the lower left of the channel showing what channels she subscribed to. There are only two and one of them is the shooters channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2
that is odd
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you mentioned logic in this thread
I suggested you should stop embarressing yourself with your attempts to explain logic and I sited a recent example as a reminder of the typical result when you attemp to give logic lessons
I'm honestly trying to help you out
I mentioned b/c it is relevant to the conversation you moronic toad LOL
then you went off on a tangent changing the subject, then I said to quit derailing the thread and you continued, I asked for you to prove your ascertions and once again you side stepped and didnt provide any proof for your idiocy...
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odd? look at this, Giffords youtube channel. look at the lower left of the channel showing what channels she subscribed to. There are only two and one of them is the shooters channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2
can you tell when she added the channel?
could this be yet another fake?
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I mentioned b/c it is relevant to the conversation you moronic toad LOL
then you went off on a tangent changing the subject, then I said to quit derailing the thread and you continued, I asked for you to prove your ascertions and once again you side stepped and didnt provide any proof for your idiocy...
you've attempted to explain that the shooters ramblings are actually logical (to you)
correct?
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you've attempted to explain that the shooters ramblings are actually logical (to you)
correct?
LOL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
for fucks sake just log off, hahahahah
they follow the if, then statement format a common and basic concept in LOGIC...
some of them are valid statements in terms of LOGIC and some arent...
before you go off and try to think and get yourself in a bind let me show you a valid argument in logic that isnt true...
all dogs are boys
steve has a dog
steves dog is a boy <====== This is a valid argument in philosophy its not a sound argument but its valid
his statements follow basic logic formats, I wouldnt be suprised if he took a philosophy class in community college or has tried to study it at some point or another...
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odd? look at this, Giffords youtube channel. look at the lower left of the channel showing what channels she subscribed to. There are only two and one of them is the shooters channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/giffords2
he did campaign for her correct?
perhaps she added him b/c of that?
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LOL NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
for fucks sake just log off, hahahahah
they follow the if, then statement format a common and basic concept in LOGIC...
some of them are valid statements in terms of LOGIC and some arent...
before you go off and try to think and get yourself in a bind let me show you a valid argument in logic that isnt true...
all dogs are boys
steve has a dog
steves dog is a boy <====== This is a valid argument in philosophy its not a sound argument but its valid
his statements follow basic logic formats, I wouldnt be suprised if he took a philosophy class in community college or has tried to study it at some point or another...
yeah I read your 2nd grade attempt to explain his so called logic
he seems to use logic in a way that makes sense to you
why don't you site some examples of his actual writing and make it all clear for us
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yeah I read your 2nd grade attempt to explain his so called logic
he seems to use logic in a way that makes sense to you
why don't you site some examples of his actual writing and make it all clear for us
hahaha for 2nd grade logic you sure seem to have a hard time of understanding it...
all dogs are boys
steve has a dog
steves dog is a boy
If the police remove you from the educational facility for talking then removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States.
The police remove you from the educational facility for talking.
Thus, removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States.
do you not see how this statement follows the same format as the one above?
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hahaha for 2nd grade logic you sure seem to have a hard time of understanding it...
all dogs are boys
steve has a dog
steves dog is a boy
If the police remove you from the educational facility for talking then removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States.
The police remove you from the educational facility for talking.
Thus, removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States.
do you not see how this statement follows the same format as the one above?
no I don't
other than the use of "if" and "then" it makes no sense at all
can you explain it ?
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no I don't
other than the use of "if" and "then" it makes no sense at all
can you explain it ?
yes I can you see in philosophy/LOGIC
a statement does not have to make sense to be valid...a statment can be completely untrue and still be valid but it would not be a sound argument if that was the case...
he states a premise
states another premise
and then states a conclusion
basic logic format...
from the wikilink i posted earlier you obviously didnt read...
All humans are mortal.
Socrates is human.
Therefore, Socrates is mortal.
do you not see how his statement follows this format?
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yes I can you see in philosophy/LOGIC
a statement does not have to make sense to be valid...a statment can be completely untrue and still be valid but it would not be a sound argument if that was the case...
he states a premise
states another premise
and then states a conclusion
basic logic format...
from the wikilink i posted earlier you obviously didnt read...
All humans are mortal.
Socrates is human.
Therefore, Socrates is mortal.
do you not see how his statement follows this format?
yes but can you explain Loughner's statement which you posted
you seem to be suggesting that if he uses some format which you recognize (which does't actually match the format you used) that it doesn't matter that what he is actually saying is jibberish and that you still recognize as basic "logic"
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yes but can you explain Loughner's statement which you posted
you seem to be suggesting that if he uses some format which you recognize (which does't actually match the formt you used) that it doesn't matter that what he is actually saying is jibberish and that you still recognize as basic "logic"
youre a fuking moron....
lol i recognize it as using the basic logic format that obviously anyone can see other than youre dumb ass...
i didnt say it makes sense in the real world but in terms of validity in philosophy/logic it does....which brings me back to my original point...
YOURE A FUKING MORON....
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youre a fuking moron....
lol i recognize it as using the basic logic format that obviously anyone can see other than youre dumb ass...
i didnt say it makes sense in the real world but in terms of validity in philosophy/logic it does[/u]....which brings me back to my original point...
YOURE A FUKING MORON....
you seem to be getting upset
you should try to calm down
I don't undertand what this statement means
you're suggesting a statement doesn't have to make sense in the real world but can still be "valid" in philopohy/logic?
how does that work professor?
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you seem to be getting upset
you should try to calm down
I don't undertand what this statement means
you're suggesting a statement doesn't have to make sense in the real world but can still be "valid" in philopohy/logic?
how does that work professor?
Yes, very good champ...I refer you to my previous posts, and the links i posted THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDNT READ!!! ;)
yes I can you see in philosophy/LOGIC
a statement does not have to make sense to be valid...a statment can be completely untrue and still be valid but it would not be a sound argument if that was the case...
he states a premise
states another premise
and then states a conclusion
basic logic format...
from the wikilink i posted earlier you obviously didnt read...
All humans are mortal.
Socrates is human.
Therefore, Socrates is mortal.
do you not see how his statement follows this format?
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Yes, very good champ...I refer you to my previous posts, and the links i posted THAT YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDNT READ!!! ;)
quoting yourself now
very good
just because you write some jibberish and then refer back to it doesn't make it true
I do not know what you mean when you write that a statement can be completely untrue and still be valid
can you clarify this for us professor?
yes I can you see in philosophy/LOGIC
a statement does not have to make sense to be valid...a statment can be completely untrue and still be valid but it would not be a sound argument if that was the case...
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quoting yourself now
very good
just because you write some jibberish and then refer back to it doesn't make it true
I do not know what you mean when you write that a statement can be completely untrue and still be valid
can you clarify this for us professor?
hahahah I tell you what i prove that point with an outside source and you log off getbig for a month, deal?
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hahahah I tell you what i prove that point with an outside source and you log off getbig for a month, deal?
nope - just prove it and let's see if it's even relevent to what you're talking about and see if it's actually relevent to what we're talking about.
you've claimed that Loughner's logic is "valid" becasue he used some format which you claim to recognize even though his if/then statement are meaningless
If the police remove you from the educational facility for talking then removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States.
you claim that statement is "valid"
Let see what you got
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nope - just prove it and let's see if it's even relevent to what you're talking about and see if it's actually relevent to what we're talking about.
you've claimed that Loughner's logic is "valid" becasue he used some format which you claim to recognize even though his if/then statement are meaningless
you claim that statement is "valid"
Let see what you got
lol thought so you puss
from the same wikilink you OBVIOUSLY DIDNT READ!!!!! lol
What makes this a valid argument is not that it has true premises and a true conclusion, but the logical necessity of the conclusion, given the two premises. The argument would be just as valid were the premises and conclusion false. The following argument is of the same logical form but with false premises and a false conclusion, and it is equally valid:
All cups are green.
Socrates is a cup.
Therefore, Socrates is green.
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lol thought so you puss
from the same wikilink you OBVIOUSLY DIDNT READ!!!!! lol
What makes this a valid argument is not that it has true premises and a true conclusion, but the logical necessity of the conclusion, given the two premises. The argument would be just as valid were the premises and conclusion false. The following argument is of the same logical form but with false premises and a false conclusion, and it is equally valid:
All cups are green.
Socrates is a cup.
Therefore, Socrates is green.
did you notice I said some form which you recognize
did you also notice that I told you previously this his format does not match the format in your examples:
yes but can you explain Loughner's statement which you posted
you seem to be suggesting that if he uses some format which you recognize (which does't actually match the format you used) that it doesn't matter that what he is actually saying is jibberish and that you still recognize as basic "logic"
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did you notice I said some form which you recognize
did you also notice that I told you previously this his format does not match the format in your examples:
lol, is this better straw?
If NASA communication signals reaches mars then NASA communication signal from the mars rover.
The NASA communication signals reaches mars
Therefore, NASA communication signals from the mars rover.
If the pictures are from mars then the mars rover is on mars.
The Mars rover is not on mars.
Therefore, the pictures are not from mars.
NASA creates a remote control rover that is impossible to reach mars.
NASA fakes the situation they plan with the mars rover.
Therefore, NASA creates a remote control rover that’s impossible to reach mars and fakes the situation they plan with the mars rover.
NASA sends the the Mars Rover to mars with communication or NASA fakes the situation.
NASA didn’t send the Mars Rover to mars with communication.
Therefore, NASA fakes the situation.
If the mars rover lands on mars with communication then NASA sent the Mars Rover to mars.
The mars rover lands on mars with communication.
Therefore, NASA sent the mars rover to mars with communication.
If I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment then I'm a victim of fraud. I'm not receiving the purchase from a payment. Therefore, I'm a victim of fraud.
All purchases for an educational course in The United States as of now are unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution. A student paying for a Pima Community College course is a purchase for an educational course in the United States as of now. Therefore, a student paying for a Pima Community College course is unconstitutional in the United States of America because of Section 10 in the United States of America's Constitution.
If you're receiving a grade from Pima Community College class then the grade you're receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights. You're receiving a grade from Pima Community College class. Therefore, the grade you're receiving is unconstitutional because of the United States Bill of Rights. The grading you purchase from Pima Community College is unconstitutional at tuition.
The United States Department of Education is allowing unconstitutional education facility's to operate or the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility's to operate. The United States Department of Education isn't allowing unconstitutional education facility's to operate. Thus, the United States Department of Education is allowing free constitutional education facility's to operate.
If the police remove you from the educational facility for talking then removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States. The police remove you from the educational facility for talking. Thus, removing you from the educational facility for talking is unconstitutional in the United States. This situation is fraud because the police are unconstitutional!
Every police officer in the United States as of now is unconstitutionally working. Pima Community College police are police in the United States. Therefore, Pima Community College police are unconstitutionally working. The police are unconstitutionally working!
All United States of America's college programs are unconstitutional colleges that's in accordance with the United States of America's Constitution. Pima Community College is a United States of America's college program. Hence, Pima Community College is an unconstitutional college that's in accordance with the United States of America's Constitution.
Every Pima Community College class is using free sources for education from the internet. Algebra is a Pima Community College class. Thus, Algebra is a free source for education from the internet. Every Pima Community College class is always a scam!
If you're literate in English grammar then you know English grammar. You don't know English grammar. Thus, you're not literate in English grammar. Most of the teachers and students at Pima Community College are illiterate.
If I'm thinking of adding the 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system then I'm thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. I'm thinking of adding the 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. Thus, I'm thinking of creating 1 new symbol and number to the current alphabet and number system. You control the grammar!
Don't be scared to know you can't find the location of a subject: Most students can't locate a subject! Most people know all the subjects are for mind control and brainwash! The students are unconstitutionally paying for free education! The students are attending a torture facility! You know the teachers are con artists?
You now know - every college's unconstitutional crime! You shouldn't pay unconstitutional money for free speech! Don't trust the current government, listener!
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the more and more I read from him the more and more i get the feeling this was just a moron that thought he was unique and had a special insight to things who had an ax to grind
sorry straw its obvious he is trying to post in this basic logic/philosophy format
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lol, is this better straw?
If NASA communication signals reaches mars then NASA communication signal from the mars rover.
The NASA communication signals reaches mars
Therefore, NASA communication signals from the mars rover.
If the pictures are from mars then the mars rover is on mars.
The Mars rover is not on mars.
Therefore, the pictures are not from mars.
NASA creates a remote control rover that is impossible to reach mars.
NASA fakes the situation they plan with the mars rover.
Therefore, NASA creates a remote control rover that’s impossible to reach mars and fakes the situation they plan with the mars rover.
NASA sends the the Mars Rover to mars with communication or NASA fakes the situation.
NASA didn’t send the Mars Rover to mars with communication.
Therefore, NASA fakes the situation.
If the mars rover lands on mars with communication then NASA sent the Mars Rover to mars.
The mars rover lands on mars with communication.
Therefore, NASA sent the mars rover to mars with communication.
sorry straw its obvious he is trying to post in this basic logic/philosophy format
these are better examples but not even all of these follow the format as shown in your exampele (see below). I can see how you can pick through some of his stuff and might call his format "valid". It would be the same if I gave you a mathmatical formula that was complete jibberish but told you that my format was valid because I used x + y = z.
I put all the symbols in the proper order. So what?
Your point when you brought this up the first time was that because out of all the shit he wrote some of it appears to be in if/then/thefore format and somehow that suggest he might be sane?
why would you conclude he might be sane, especially given all his other writings, most of which don't follow any format and the larger and more salient piont that none of it makes any sense
You give him points for structure and surmise that might mean he's sane
I don't see the connection
bro i know his shit sounds stupid and insane but it actually looks like very basic logic shit
if A = B
and B = C
Then A = C
type shit
basic if, then statements
if all dogs are a boys
and steve has 3 dogs
then the dogs are all boys...
like i said it just sounds
his shit is set up alot the same way, yea its crazy shit he seems to be talking about but it could be very possible that this guy is completely sane
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these are better examples but not even all of these follow the format as shown in your exampele (see below). I can see how you can pick through some of his stuff and might call his format "valid". It would be the same if I gave you a mathmatical formula that was complete jibberish but told you that my format was valid because I used x + y = z.
I put all the symbols in the proper order. So what?
Your point when you brought this up the first time was that because out of all the shit he wrote some of it appears to be in if/then/thefore format and somehow that suggest he might be sane?
why would you conclude he might be sane, especially given all his other writings, most of which don't follow any format and the larger and more salient piont that none of it makes any sense
You give him points for structure and surmise that might mean he's sane
I don't see the connection
first of all the format is not what is valid or not valid...
its the premises and the conclusion that are deemed to be valid or not valid...
you still dont seem to get it....in philosophy/logic which is obviously the format he is using when typing this shit...an argument doesnt have to be true to be valid...I already posted about this...I dont mind you not reading my links but please read my posts...SOUNDESS refers to being "true"
he does make valid arguments even though they are not sound
what im saying is while yes it sounds crazy and disorganized there is actually some organization to his rantings.
IM NOT SAYING HE IS SANE, only that it is a possibility....
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tony, this is batshit crazy, end of story. There is no other option here. This is mentally nuts beyond repair.
:-\ He uploaded the attached image with this post. Anyone who says this isn't insane is probably not playing with a full deck themselves lol...
This is for determining the location.
I present this because of how to locate the money source for distribution.
If the poster locates the currency for purchase then the currency is in use for the location.
The currency isn't in use for the location.
Therefore, the poster didn't locate the currency for purchase.
If the poster locates the universe then the poster locates the outside universe.
The poster didn't locate the outside universe.
Nonetheless, the poster didn't locate the universe.
This is flattering to me for the location of a currency!
How flattering is this thread!
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tony, this is batshit crazy, end of story. There is no other option here. This is mentally nuts beyond repair.
:-\ He uploaded the attached image with this post. Anyone who says this isn't insane is probably not playing with a full deck themselves lol...
LOL bro youre looking at one specific part and not taking the whole shit in...
he also posted a message apologizing and asking his friends to not be mad...
does that sound like someone who is insane?
youre just looking at the shit that makes him look crazy instead of taking everything in...
I hope he is crazy to be honest, I hate to think that someone who is totally sane could point a gun at an innocent 9 year old girl and pull the trigger but again its a possibility that he is sane.
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first of all the format is not what is valid or not valid...
its the premises and the conclusion that are deemed to be valid or not valid...
you still dont seem to get it....in philosophy/logic which is obviously the format he is using when typing this shit...an argument doesnt have to be true to be valid...I already posted about this...I dont mind you not reading my links but please read my posts...SOUNDESS refers to being "true"
he does make valid arguments even though they are not sound
what im saying is while yes it sounds crazy and disorganized there is actually some organization to his rantings.
IM NOT SAYING HE IS SANE, only that it is a possibility....
Tony - didn't you read the Wiki page which you posted and then reminded me about
The validity of an argument depends, however, not on the actual truth or falsity of its premises and conclusions, but solely on whether or not the argument has a valid logical form. The validity of an argument is not a guarantee of the truth of its conclusion. A valid argument may have false premises and a false conclusion.
you said that he used the proper form or structure ins some of his many incoherent rambling and then ended with the statement that he might be sane. Should we assume your argument about form was what led you to concluded that he might be sane or are they totally unrelated and one statement (which appears to be conclusion) just happens to follow the other
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Tony - didn't you read the Wiki page which you posted and then reminded me about
you said that he used the proper form or structure ins some of his many incoherent rambling and then ended with the statement that he might be sane. Should we assume your argument about form was what led you to concluded that he might be sane or are they totally unrelated and one statement (which appears to be conclusion) just happens to follow the other
LOL this is the problem straw, the terminology is different...just like you had a problem with the term valid, youre not understanding this...
my point was
goodness gracious dude you and straw man are two peas in a pod bro...
I never said that makes him sane, what i was trying to do was show that it wasnt necissarily an in coherent mess of shit...
its nothing to get upset over or become passive aggressive over
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Tony - you and I can agree that he is most definitely a piece of shit but I don't agree in any way that he's coherent and I don't agree that that because he managed to structure a few of his ramblings in a way that you find structurely valid offers any evidence that he might be coherent.
your own link says a "valid" argument can have a false premise and a false conclusion
I can't even figure out what is the premise and conclusion of this statement
We already know you think this statement is "valid" so maybe you can tell us the premise and conclusion
If NASA communication signals reaches mars then NASA communication signal from the mars rover.
The NASA communication signals reaches mars
Therefore, NASA communication signals from the mars rover.
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LOL bro youre looking at one specific part and not taking the whole shit in...
he also posted a message apologizing and asking his friends to not be mad...
does that sound like someone who is insane?
youre just looking at the shit that makes him look crazy instead of taking everything in...
I hope he is crazy to be honest, I hate to think that someone who is totally sane could point a gun at an innocent 9 year old girl and pull the trigger but again its a possibility that he is sane.
dude, 99 percent of what he wrote makes him look crazy. It's not like I had to cherry pick things to make him look crazy. That he manages to squeak out something normal in maybe 1 percent of what he wrote isn't exactly making a great case for his possible sanity lololol...
Tony, I have a question for you. Basic logic structure is very simple right? Anyone should be able to write out valid logic statements without much difficulty. Yet almost all of his statement consist of (A=B) (B=Whatever I want) Therefore A=Whatever I want... lol... That's delusional He created an alternate reality via making A=whatever he wants.
If the living space is able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of −454 °F then the human body is alive in the NASA Space Shuttle.
The human body isn't alive in the NASA Space Shuttle.<==B Whatever he wants
Thus, the living space isn't able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of −454 °F.
This level of creating your own reality is fucking batshit insane.
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Tony - you and I can agree that he is most definitely a piece of shit but I don't agree in any way that he's coherent and I don't agree that that because he managed to structure a few of his ramblings in a way that you find structurely valid offers any evidence that he might be coherent.
your own link says a "valid" argument can have a false premise and a false conclusion
I can't even figure out what the premise as and conclusion of this statement it
We already know you think this statement is "valid" so maybe you can tell us the premise and conclusion
I agree, I didnt say it was coherent only that it wasnt a incoherent mess...
it is organized, its random shit no doubt about it but its organized in a specific way random shit
From what I can tell, its obvious that he is trying to write in such a fashion even if its not correct...
Premise
If NASA communication signals reaches mars then NASA communication signal from the mars rover.
Premise:
The NASA communication signals reaches mars
Conclusion
Therefore, NASA communication signals from the mars rover.
::) ::) ::)
I didnt say all his statements are valid as a matter of fact i said some werent, but yes some are...
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dude, 99 percent of what he wrote makes him look crazy. It's not like I had to cherry pick things to make him look crazy. That he manages to squeak out something normal in maybe 1 percent of what he wrote isn't exactly making a great case for his possible sanity lololol...
Tony, I have a question for you. Basic logic structure is very simple right? Anyone should be able to write out valid logic statements without much difficulty. Yet almost all of his statement consist of (A=B) (B=Whatever I want) Therefore A=Whatever I want... lol... That's delusional He created an alternate reality via making A=whatever he wants.
If the living space is able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of −454 °F then the human body is alive in the NASA Space Shuttle.
The human body isn't alive in the NASA Space Shuttle.<==B Whatever he wants
Thus, the living space isn't able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of −454 °F.
This level of creating your own reality is fucking batshit insane.
yes hugo, but the 100% of shit were judging off of is what he wanted us to see....that doesnt mean its 100% of his thoughts, just what weve been allowed to see thus far...
and thus far some of his actions and words arent completely insane...
think of logic statements as bubbles where rules outside of those statements dont apply to validity...
all cups are green
hugo is a cup
hugo is green
this is a valid statement even though its false
b/c if you assume that the premesis are true, that makes the conclusion true again with the bubble
they can get pretty damn complicated, honestly i took 2 philosophy classes and even in the first one there were problems where you would have premesis and conclusions that would take up entire pages for just one problem...and that was in the A=B, AUB, AVB etc...format...not in sentence format
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I agree, I didnt say it was coherent only that it wasnt a incoherent mess...
it is organized, its random shit no doubt about it but its organized in a specific way random shit
From what I can tell, its obvious that he is trying to write in such a fashion even if its not correct...
Premise
If NASA communication signals reaches mars then NASA communication signal from the mars rover.
Premise:
The NASA communication signals reaches mars
Conclusion
Therefore, NASA communication signals from the mars rover.
::) ::) ::)
I didnt say all his statements are valid as a matter of fact i said some werent, but yes some are...
he has if/then in the first sentence
then another thing you call a premise and then a conclusion
is that the valid structure you're talking about
wait - you said (in complete contrast to your Wiki link) that it's not the structure (Wiki says "form") that is "valid" but his premise and conclusion that are valid
Can you explain what his premise and conclusion mean in your own words
here's your quote for reference
first of all the format is not what is valid or not valid...
its the premises and the conclusion that are deemed to be valid or not valid...
you still dont seem to get it....in philosophy/logic which is obviously the format he is using when typing this shit...an argument doesnt have to be true to be valid...I already posted about this...I dont mind you not reading my links but please read my posts...SOUNDESS refers to being "true"
he does make valid arguments even though they are not sound
what im saying is while yes it sounds crazy and disorganized there is actually some organization to his rantings.
IM NOT SAYING HE IS SANE, only that it is a possibility....
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If the living space is able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of −454 °F then the human body is alive in the NASA Space Shuttle.
The human body isn't alive in the NASA Space Shuttle.<==B Whatever he wants
Thus, the living space isn't able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of −454 °F.
This level of creating your own reality is fucking batshit insane.
this is a perfect example of an invalid argument in logic/philosophy...
if you assume that "the living space is able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of −454 °F then the human body is alive in the NASA Space Shuttle."
and you assume that "The human body isn't alive in the NASA Space Shuttle"
then "the living space isn't able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of −454 °F"
problem is that according to the rules of the argument the living space may not have been able to sustain a human body for other reasons other than not being able to keep the temp at -454
dude you should have seen some of the weird shit in philosophy/logic classes
it seemed they would say absurd shit to get the point of their concept across
again not saying this makes him sane, but he obviously orgnanized his shit in a specific format
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what's it say about a person's mental status when they can't put together even the most basic valid logic statements? What's it say about that person's mind when they use obviouly invalid statements to create an untrue reality? It can't say much for their sanity.
He takes a step in his statements that make the statements utterly senseless yet it makes sense to him! The fact that he does this means he's not of sound mind. This is disordered or deranged and all this pretty much is the definition of insane.
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this is a perfect example of an invalid argument in logic/philosophy...
if you assume that "the living space is able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of −454 °F then the human body is alive in the NASA Space Shuttle."
and you assume that "The human body isn't alive in the NASA Space Shuttle"
then "the living space isn't able to maintain the crews life at a temperature of −454 °F"
problem is that according to the rules of the argument the living space may not have been able to sustain a human body for other reasons other than not being able to keep the temp at -454
dude you should have seen some of the weird shit in philosophy/logic classes
it seemed they would say absurd shit to get the point of their concept across
again not saying this makes him sane, but he obviously orgnanized his shit in a specific format
but he sees it as valid, not invalid.
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he has if/then in the first sentence
then another thing you call a premise and then a conclusion
is that the valid structure you're talking about
wait - you said (in complete contrast to your Wiki link) that it's not the structure (Wiki says "form") that is "valid" but his premise and conclusion that are valid
Can you explain what his premise and conclusion mean in your own words
here's your quote for reference
LOL that first if, then is the first premise...would be denoted by A->B
as in in if A then B
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but he sees it as valid, not invalid.
we dont know if he sees it as invalid or valid...he could have meant to write it that way for all we knowwhat's it say about a person's mental status when they can't put together even the most basic valid logic statements? What's it say about that person's mind when they use obviouly invalid statements to create an untrue reality? It can't say much for their sanity.
He takes a step in his statements that make the statements utterly senseless yet it makes sense to him! The fact that he does this means he's not of sound mind. This is disordered or deranged and all this pretty much is the definition of insane.
again were looking at things that probably make up 1% of his life and projecting them onto 100% of his life...
this is what weve been allowed to see, by going off just this yea id say at the very least he is somewhat disturbed but again there are things that make him seem sane...
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his logic is to make A whatever he wants it to be no matter what it started out as. There's something very wrong with that.
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his logic is to make A whatever he wants it to be no matter what it started out as. There's something very wrong with that.
actually the premises are fine in that argument its the conclusion thats wrong
thats the thing with logical arguments you can make the premises whatever you want...
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we dont know if he sees it as invalid or valid...he could have meant to write it that way for all we knowagain were looking at things that probably make up 1% of his life and projecting them onto 100% of his life...
this is what weve been allowed to see, by going off just this yea id say at the very least he is somewhat disturbed but again there are things that make him seem sane...
yes we do know he sees it as valid. He's using it to say that the shuttles are unmanned. He sees it as a valid ordered statement proving shuttles are not manned. I read that somewhere in the pages of crap I was pooring over. Same thing with the mars rover. He sees his statements as valid logic proving that the rover on mars was faked. He actually posted quite a bit online. I only posted a few things but there are quite a few long threads he created over at ATS.
All personal accounts coming from people are all nuts. Nobody is coming forth saying he was normal. By all accounts the guy started going batshit in highschool and it just got worse to the point that people FEARED being in a classroom with him. Of everything he is known to have written almost 100% of it is crazy batshit. You really think we're missing the inner normal Jared lol?
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LOL that first if, then is the first premise...would be denoted by A->B
as in in if A then B
you've got A and B in the first sentene
then C (another premise?) in the 2nd sentence
and then D in the third
None of it (structure or content) makes any sense to me
btw - this statemnt by you is just as incoherent as almost anything the shooter wrote:
you say it's the premise and conclusion that are valid which directly contradicts the Wiki article on which you are basing your argument
I've asked you to explain the premise and conclusion of a specific statement and you can't or wont' do it
whats the problem
first of all the format is not what is valid or not valid...
its the premises and the conclusion that are deemed to be valid or not valid...
you still dont seem to get it....in philosophy/logic which is obviously the format he is using when typing this shit...an argument doesnt have to be true to be valid...I already posted about this...I dont mind you not reading my links but please read my posts...SOUNDESS refers to being "true"
he does make valid arguments even though they are not sound
what im saying is while yes it sounds crazy and disorganized there is actually some organization to his rantings.
IM NOT SAYING HE IS SANE, only that it is a possibility....
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actually the premises are fine in that argument its the conclusion thats wrong
thats the thing with logical arguments you can make the premises whatever you want...
what is the premise
re-state it in your own words
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actually the premises are fine in that argument its the conclusion thats wrong
thats the thing with logical arguments you can make the premises whatever you want...
yea, ok...
My TV shows real people. My TV can't have real people in it. Therefore my TV isn't real... Where did I screw up lol?
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you've got A and B in the first sentene
then C (another premise?) in the 2nd sentence
and then D in the third
None of it (structure or content) makes any sense to me
btw - this statemnt by you is just as incoherent as almost anything the shooter wrote:
you say it's the premise and conclusion that are valid which directly contradicts the Wiki article on which you are basing your argument
I've asked you to explain the premise and conclusion of a specific statement and you can't or wont' do it
whats the problem
structure is how the argument is set up...
validity is whether the conclusion follows the premises
techincally i guess you can have an argument be invalid b/c of the structure but it ultimately also be invalid due to the conclusion not following the premises...if you take the premises and jumble them around you can actually make a valid argument invalid so take from it what you want...both are actually correct i guess the wiki link is more correct but mine is as well
again how am i to explain what he is thinking?
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yea, ok...
My TV shows real people. My TV can't have real people in it. Therefore my TV isn't real... Where did I screw up lol?
LOL hahahah
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LOL hahahah
well that's how most of his shit is written lol..
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well that's how most of his shit is written lol..
I agree but some of his shit actually fits into a valid logical argument
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I agree but some of his shit actually fits into a valid logical argument
such as? Remember, most of this stuff he thinks is logically proving his point, like that shuttles are unmanned.
There's one where he says something like humans need sleep, I am human therefore I need sleep. I guess that one works but the need to logically express a truth everyone knows is also kinda crazy.
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structure is how the argument is set up...
validity is whether the conclusion follows the premises
techincally i guess you can have an argument be invalid b/c of the structure but it ultimately also be invalid due to the conclusion not following the premises...if you take the premises and jumble them around you can actually make a valid argument invalid so take from it what you want...both are actually correct i guess the wiki link is more correct but mine is as well
again how am i to explain what he is thinking?
why don't you just tell me the truth of his premise
from your link:
A standard view is that whether an argument is valid is a matter of the argument’s logical form.
An argument is valid if and only if the truth of its premises entails the truth of its conclusion
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such as? Remember, most of this stuff he thinks is logically proving his point, like that shuttles are unmanned.
There's one where he says something like humans need sleep, I am human therefore I need sleep. I guess that one works but the need to logically express a truth everyone knows is also kinda crazy.
we dont know what he is thinking hugo...
LOL you just found one yourself there, there are actually a couple in there that ive seen on youtube clips etc...
im not saying he is sane only that its a possibility, if this is 100% of him then yes he is probably crazy but again this is only what he has wanted us to see...
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why don't you just tell me the truth of his premise
from your link:
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lol as well as the conclusion following the premises
the thing is straw to be structured validly the conclusion has to follow the premises...
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such as? Remember, most of this stuff he thinks is logically proving his point, like that shuttles are unmanned.
There's one where he says something like humans need sleep, I am human therefore I need sleep. I guess that one works but the need to logically express a truth everyone knows is also kinda crazy.
Either way, his writing style is by far the most infuriatingly annoying style I've come across. Reading his rants just aggravates me.
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Either way, his writing style is by far the most infuriatingly annoying style I've come across. Reading his rants just aggravates me.
gotta agree on that reminds me of failcon, i just want to punch that bastard in the face lol
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we dont know what he is thinking hugo...
LOL you just found one yourself there, there are actually a couple in there that ive seen on youtube clips etc...
im not saying he is sane only that its a possibility, if this is 100% of him then yes he is probably crazy but again this is only what he has wanted us to see...
yes we do know. He thinks Shuttles are unmanned and the rover on mars was faked. On these two ideas, how can you say we don't know what he is thinking? What we don't know is how is brain is unable to grasp the invalid nature of his logic which he sees as proving these points.
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gotta agree on that reminds me of failcon, i just want to punch that bastard in the face lol
lol, I'd love to see a bullet go through Jared's head and then see if it fixes his mailfunction. :D
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lol as well as the conclusion following the premises
the thing is straw to be structured validly the conclusion has to follow the premises...
so you're back to form and stucture
cool
In the statement I've given you
what is the truth of the premise and and how does it entail (look that word up on Wiki) the truth of the conclusion
shit
let's just start with you telling us the premise
from your Wiki link:
An argument is valid if and only if the truth of its premises entails the truth of its conclusion
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so you're back to form and stucture
cool
In the statement I've given you
what is the truth of the premise and and how does it entail (look that word up on Wiki) the truth of the conclusion
shit
let's just start with you telling us the premise
from your Wiki link:
i dont know what you mean by truth but the meaning of the wiki link statment is just what ive been saying, the conclusion has to follow the premises to be true...
if you assume the premises are true, does that make the conclusion true? if so then its valid, if not then its not valid...
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lol, I'd love to see a bullet go through Jared's head and then see if it fixes his mailfunction. :D
agreed, i dont think giving this guy so much publicity is a good thing...
take him out in the woods put a couple bullets in his head and be done with it, no big media circus trial like there will be etc...
just have a press conference announce that he was shot in the head and is dead and walk away.
let this fucker be forgotten and his name scrubbed from history of the world
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i dont know what you mean by truth but the meaning of the wiki link statment is just what ive been saying, the conclusion has to follow the premises to be true...
if you assume the premises are true, does that make the conclusion true? if so then its valid, if not then its not valid...
the proof of it's premise has lead to the proof of it's conclusion
again - from your link here's a valid argument with false premise and conclusion
The following argument is of the same logical form but with false premises and a false conclusion, and it is equally valid:
All cups are green.
Socrates is a cup.
Therefore, Socrates is green
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Here is one of Loughner's statements that you've given as an example of a valid arguement
something is missing
what do you think?
If NASA communication signals reaches mars then NASA communication signal from the mars rover.
The NASA communication signals reaches mars
Therefore, NASA communication signals from the mars rover
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gotta agree on that reminds me of failcon, i just want to punch that bastard in the face lol
Haha, the Failcon's just a harmless meth addict. Annoying, but harmless.
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agreed, i dont think giving this guy so much publicity is a good thing...
take him out in the woods put a couple bullets in his head and be done with it, no big media circus trial like there will be etc...
just have a press conference announce that he was shot in the head and is dead and walk away.
let this fucker be forgotten and his name scrubbed from history of the world
the opposite will happen. This will be something politicans exploit to the max in order to advance things they wouldn't have been able to before Jared went postal.
They also seem to be saving or holding back in the media on the mass of posts at ATS uncovered last night. Which makes me think they intend on milking this for all it's worth. The first couple days spent on attacking anti-government talk as dangerous and blaming commentators and the tea party. Calling for gun control... Next they'll jump into the conspiracy board talk over at ATS and spend time on that, possibly advancing some of the internet regulations and control they've been talking about. yea, they're going to milk it.
their demands will be something like this:
Gun Control.
Don't question the government.
just trust the government.
Don't engage in any sort of conspiracy talk, it's dangerious.
Don't talk about revolutions even if you're nonviolent.
Don't question the fed and our currency system.
Don't talk about the need for currency backed by gold.
and Don't be hating lol...
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the opposite will happen. This will be something politicans exploit to the max in order to advance things they wouldn't have been able to before Jared went postal.
They also seem to be saving or holding back in the media on the mass of posts at ATS uncovered last night. Which makes me think they intend on milking this for all it's worth. The first couple days spent on attacking anti-government talk as dangerous and blaming commentators and the tea party. Calling for gun control... Next they'll jump into the conspiracy board talk over at ATS and spend time on that, possibly advancing some of the internet regulations and control they've been talking about as a result of this. yea, they're going to milk it.
their demands will be something like this:
Gun Control.
Don't question the government.
just trust the government.
Don't engage in any sort of conspiracy talk, it's dangerious.
Don't talk about revolutions even if your nonviolent.
Don't question the fed and our currency system.
Don't talk about the need for currency backed by gold.
and Don't be hating lol...
birth of a conspiracy theory
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birth of a conspiracy theory
well it's a short one. we'll know pretty quick if they milk it for those things. The first part is already true and posted. It's not really a CT as I stated it. It's not hard to see what the media and politicians do after a tragedy. We have plenty of examples of that. I see no reason to believe this will be any different and today, politicians and the media are right on schedule lol... Now if I accused the government or a group of organizing this tragedy to exploit it, I think that would be the birth of a CT. I'm not willing to say that for sure.
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the proof of it's premise has lead to the proof of it's conclusion
again - from your link here's a valid argument with false premise and conclusion
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Here is one of Loughner's statements that you've given as an example of a valid arguement
something is missing
what do you think?
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no it doesnt necissarily, read the one about the the living space, -452 etc...if you assume both of the premises are true it doesnt mean the conclusion is true...
i know its kinda hard to understand which is why when they explain this to you the seem to use outlandish examples to help ppl rap their heads around the concept...then you have to worry about arguments being sound etc...
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Tony, here's his post with the original thread title: Please read it.
All aboard with the empty NASA Space Shuttles! ,
Was one of your favorite toys a plastic NASA Space Shuttle?
If the design of the NASA Space Shuttle keeps the black body temperature of −454 °F from the outside orbit then the NASA Space Shuttle is at a temperature for human life.
The NASA Space Shuttle isn’t at a temperature for human life.
Hence, the design of the NASA Space Shuttle doesn’t keep the black body temperature of −454 °F from the outside orbit.
If the air supply supports the NASA Space Shuttle mission for the time in orbit then the crew is able to breathe with the correct amount of oxygen for the time in orbit.
The crew is not able to breathe with the correct amount of oxygen for the time in orbit.
Consequently, the air supply doesn’t support the NASA Space Shuttle mission for the time in orbit
If the crew of the NASA mission uses a green screen then they are able to fake the mission.
The crew of the NASA mission uses a green screen.
Therefore, they are able to fake the mission.
If the 0 gravity affects the human body then the crew is at risk for body failure.
The 0 gravity affects the human body.
Therefore, the crew is at risk for body failure.
If the NASA Space Shuttle is with a crew in orbit then they're able to perform the mission with the conditions in orbit.
They're not able to perform the mission with the conditions in orbit.
Thus, the NASA Space Shuttle isn’t with a crew in orbit.
If the NASA Space Shuttle is able to reenter from the orbit of the Earth then the NASA Space Shuttle is able to reenter because of the heat of 1,500 °C.
The NASA Space Shuttle isn’t able to reenter because of the heat of 1,500 °C.
Hence, the NASA Space Shuttle isn’t able to reenter the orbit of the Earth.
If the NASA Space Shuttle is able to reenter from the orbit of Earth then the NASA Space Shuttle is in orbit.
The NASA Space Shuttle isn’t in orbit.
Therefore, the NASA Space Shuttle isn’t able to reenter from the orbit of Earth.
If the force of entry into orbit is strong enough to cause death to a human body then there’s death to a human body in entry from earth to orbit.
The force of entry into orbit is strong enough to cause death to a human body.
Hence, there’s death to a human body in entry from earth to orbit.
If the force of reentry into orbit is strong enough to cause death to a human body then there’s death to a human body in reentry from earth to orbit.
The force of reentry into orbit is strong enough to cause death to a human body.
Hence, there’s death to a human body in reentry from earth to orbit.
Are you scared of what happens after ET separation
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he also say in the same thread, "This thread is for an argument in denying the space program." So we do know what his pupose/premise is.
lolololol:
This didn't justify the crew is on the space shuttle.
If the NASA crew walks onto the space shuttle with a camera to record the process
then the NASA crew secretly leaves the space shuttle before the lift off to escape death.
The NASA crew walks onto the space shuttle with a camera to record the process.
Therefore, the NASA crew secretly leaves the space shuttle before the lift off to escape death.