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Senate to Vote on Health-Law Repeal
GOP Seizes on Ruling Calling the Measure Unconstitutional; Democrats Downplay Judge's Decision
WASHINGTON—Senate Republicans, seizing on a court ruling that the health-care overhaul passed last year is unconstitutional, will push ahead with a vote to repeal the legislation.
The Senate effort, expected Wednesday, is almost certain to fail, likely ensuring that the push by Congress to undo the health measure goes no further, at least until the next election.
But GOP leaders said the law was unpopular, and that given two court rulings declaring all or part of the legislation unconstitutional, they were sending an important message by holding the vote. Two other federal judges have upheld the law.
"The importance of a repeal vote becomes more evident every day," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.). "Americans view it as an important decision point, a marker that shows we're serious about a return to limited government."
He added, "At this point, it would be a dereliction of duty if Republicans didn't fight for repeal."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703445904576118462812172794.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop#articleTabs_comments (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703445904576118462812172794.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop#articleTabs_comments)
Now, we'll see if the Dems put their money where their mouths are. 23 of them are up for re-election in 2012; 12 of them are in districts that went Republican in 2010 and oppose ObamaCare.
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this vote goes nowhere waste of time ::) ::)
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Make all of these treasonous democrats who voted for this shit sandwich go on record. 23 of them are up in 2012 and the Tea Party will hang it around their marxist necks like a bag of cement.
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this vote goes nowhere waste of time ::) ::)
Just like your posts.
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Make all of these treasonous democrats who voted for this shit sandwich go on record. 23 of them are up in 2012 and the Tea Party will hang it around their marxist necks like a bag of cement.
EXACTLY!!! Virtually none of them defended this mess, when their careers were at stake last year. Now, it's put up or shut up. Of course, they could also explain why they and their buddies (INCLUDING OBAMA HIMSELF) aren't on this lovely plan of theirs.
Not to mention all those unions who whored themselves to Team Obama to promote this garbage, only to later drop coverage for children ALTOGETHER, rather than pay for those with pre-existing conditions (exactly what they complained about the insurance companies).
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Just like your posts.
hahahaha did you make a funny ::)
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Just ask Ben Nelson how his vote for Obamacare (corn husker kickback) is working out for him:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/nebraska/election_2012_nebraska_senate
2012 Nebraska Senate Race:
Dave Heineman (R) 61%
Ben Nelson(D) 30%
Other 4%
Not Sure 4%
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Bottom line is that MadoffCare is going down one way or the other.
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Bottom line is that MadoffCare is going down one way or the other.
how is that ???
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how is that ???
Updated: Wed., Feb. 2, 2011, 12:14 AM
O's house of cards
By MICHAEL A. WALSH
Last Updated: 12:14 AM, February 2, 2011
Monday's ruling by federal Judge Roger Vinson that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act -- a k a ObamaCare -- is unconstitutional is a signal event in modern American history. For the first time since FDR browbeat the Supreme Court into accepting most of his New Deal, the Leviathan known as the federal government has been rocked back on its heels.
If the administration and the Senate Democrats had any sense, they'd take Judge Vinson's ruling as a gift, not a setback. Because, whether they know it or not, the judge just handed them an opportunity to get health care right.
The House Republicans took a dramatic step forward last month when they passed repeal, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell announced yesterday that he'll attach a repeal amendment to a bill authorizing funding for the Federal Aviation Administration as the Senate's next order of business.
Good for him. It's imperative that the Republicans keep the momentum going; whether the fate of ObamaCare is eventually decided by the Supreme Court is secondary to deciding its fate in the proper venue -- the legislative branch.
Judge Vinson's lucidly written and cogently argued decision, which approvingly cited the Federalist Papers, John Marshall and the Tenth Amendment, seized upon the Democrats' arrogant decision to not include a "severability clause" in the legislation -- which would've allowed the rest of the 2,000-page law to stand even if parts of it were to be found unconstitutional.
Vinson brought down the whole house of cards when he found that a) the coercive "individual mandate" that would have required every citizen to purchase health insurance was unconstitutional and b) that without the mandate, as the administration itself argued, the law would be unworkable.
"Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire act must be declared void," he wrote.
Yet the 78-page opinion isn't just the beginning of the end of ObamaCare on the judicial front. It also represents a significant blow to the fantasy of a "living constitution" -- which means, no constitution at all, just an ever-shifting set of political programs.
In finally containing the infinite elasticity of the Commerce Clause, Vinson has laid down a marker about how far the text of the Constitution can be stretched before it becomes meaningless.
"This case is not about whether the act is wise or unwise legislation, or whether it will solve or exacerbate the myriad problems in our health-care system," the judge wrote. "In fact, it is not really about our health-care system at all. It is principally about our federalist system, and it raises very important issues regarding the constitutional role of the federal government."
For more than a half-century, both Congress and the Supreme Court have treated the Constitution as a series of suggestions to be "interpreted," rather than the supreme law of the land. The game has been to grab some hapless phrase in the text and then use it as a rationale for the expansion of federal power.
But on which planet do the words, "to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes" mean the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act?
Now the game is up. Vinson's ruling has unhorsed the shoddy thinking and the aggressive, statist agenda behind ObamaCare. He has also stripped away the emotional protective shield from the legislation by properly framing the issue as one of law, not compassion.
He wrote: "Congress exceeded the bounds of its authority in passing the act with the individual mandate. That is not to say, of course, that Congress is without power to address the problems and inequities in our health-care system."
In other words, having made this mess in the first place, it's now up to congressional Democrats to get on the right side of the issue, vote for repeal and then come together with their Republican brethren in a grand bargain that makes everybody heroes.
But they probably won't. As a turn-of-the-century Tammany congressman once said, "What's the Constitution among friends?"
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Make all of these treasonous democrats who voted for this shit sandwich go on record. 23 of them are up in 2012 and the Tea Party will hang it around their marxist necks like a bag of cement.
If the conservatives want to do this, fine. But they need to pull their heads out of their asses and offer up some solutions. In fact, start introducing some now. IMO, it will bite them in the ass not having a comprehensive solution to deal with the rising costs.
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Bama won't sign anything they do.
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Bama won't sign anything they do.
Doesn't have to. Just needs to be an option. All we have from the right at this point, is some disparate ideas (good, ones), but they need a single cohesive plan to counter Obamacare.
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Fox News just reported the Senate voted down the House Repeal bill 51-47. Hmmmm.....I wonder which two Dems opted not to vote.
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My guess wo looking?
Webb and mccaskill.
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Fox News just reported the Senate voted down the House Repeal bill 51-47. Hmmmm.....I wonder which two Dems opted not to vote.
Was just listening to Mark Levin on this, according to him the Dems and Obama are blatantly violating a federal court order. What would happen if you or I violated a federal court order????????
Liberals have no regard for laws or the Constitution. POS!
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Was just listening to Mark Levin on this, according to him the Dems and Obama are blatantly violating a federal court order. What would happen if you or I violated a federal court order????????
Liberals have no regard for laws or the Constitution. POS!
OF course they're violating an order. They have to appeal it and ask for a stay, and that is that!! Look at the Prop. 8 case in California. As soon as the federal judge ruled Prop. 8 federally unconstitutional. But, the supporters appealed and asked for a stay. They got it and Prop. 8 is still law.
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This is good strategy by Republicans, assuming the U.S. Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare. Democrats passed a bad law, 26 states have a ruling saying it is unconstitutional, Democrats will refuse to repeal it, it then gets held unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. The 2012 election will be right around the corner. What do Democrats do then?
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They will double down on stupid like always.
I am hearing both webb and mccaskill are in a lot trouble, not to mention nelson, tester, and others.
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1) I'm against this bill and hope it gets recalled.
2) the same people who celebrated the death of obamacare before it passed, are the same ppl celebrating now. It was shot down in a conservative district by a judge who grandstanded/gloated with campaign footage. Should the bill reach a liberal district - or even the SCOTUS - you can bet you won't have judges throwing high-fives and ownings with campaign footage.
3) Social security, medicare - even the Civil Rights Act were shot down in smaller courts as well. Today they're part of life in the USA.
My guess is that it's gonna be a lot closer than people think, and that in the end, this shitty bill is here to stay. You guys don't think obama will veto this repeal bill?
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1) I'm against this bill and hope it gets recalled.
2) the same people who celebrated the death of obamacare before it passed, are the same ppl celebrating now. It was shot down in a conservative district by a judge who grandstanded/gloated with campaign footage. Should the bill reach a liberal district - or even the SCOTUS - you can bet you won't have judges throwing high-fives and ownings with campaign footage.
3) Social security, medicare - even the Civil Rights Act were shot down in smaller courts as well. Today they're part of life in the USA.
My guess is that it's gonna be a lot closer than people think, and that in the end, this shitty bill is here to stay. You guys don't think obama will veto this repeal bill?
if the supreme court deems it unconstitutional or the mandate unconstitutional he wont have a choice
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if the supreme court deems it unconstitutional or the mandate unconstitutional he wont have a choice
That's a big "IF".
Some people are holding victory parades cause a federal judge "owned" obama.
Obama's a powerful man. He can bend circumstances to fit situations he wants. Suppose that swine flu had broken out a week before the SCOTUS had to rule on national health care? You'd have 40 million americans demanding their free vaccination lol...
Unless you don't think presidents would ever engineer a crisis to serve their own goals. ;)
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That's a big "IF".
Some people are holding victory parades cause a federal judge "owned" obama.
Obama's a powerful man. He can bend circumstances to fit situations he wants. Suppose that swine flu had broken out a week before the SCOTUS had to rule on national health care? You'd have 40 million americans demanding their free vaccination lol...
Unless you don't think presidents would ever engineer a crisis to serve their own goals. ;)
LOL havent seen any incidents where presidents have engineered things on that scale, have you?
also thats the good thing about the supreme court, it decides what the constitution says it has little to nothing to do with the situations outside of the legality of the issue...
it is a big IF though and will undoubtedly show why your choice on presidents has far reaching consequences when we see how kagen and sotomayor vote...
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They're right (so to speak).
GOP: Defeat of Health Law Repeal Is Step Toward Victory in 2012
Published February 03, 2011
Associated Press
(http://a57.foxnews.com/static/managed/img/Politics/604/341/020211_hcrepeal.jpg)
AP
Feb. 2: Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, left, and other GOP senators, speak about the health care law repeal in Washington.
WASHINGTON -- To hear Senate Republicans tell it, the defeat of their attempt to repeal the Democrats' health care overhaul was really a victory of sorts on the long the march to the 2012 congressional and presidential elections.
The repeal effort sank Wednesday along party lines, 51-47 as expected. But in the process, Republicans forced Democrats on the record in favor of President Barack Obama's signature overhaul and launched what they described as a two-year effort to discredit it in the lead-up to a bid for a second term.
"These are the first steps in a long road that will culminate in 2012, whereby we will expose the flaws and the weaknesses in this legislation," said Texas Sen. John Cornyn, the party's campaign chief.
"We think this is just the beginning," said Republican leader Mitch McConnell. "This issue is still ahead of us."
What's certain is that Wednesday's vote changed nothing about the debate that consumed Congress for two years, dominated the midterm elections and has now moved to the courts.
Two federal judges have ruled the law is unconstitutional, partially or in its entirety, citing a requirement for individuals to purchase coverage and pay a penalty in taxes if they fail to do so. Two other judges have upheld the law.
The controversy is all but certain to be settled by the Supreme Court. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., announced he would file legislation urging the justices to act quickly.
In spite of the maneuvering and the side-taking, senators overwhelmingly voted to cancel the law's requirement that businesses, charities and state and local governments file income tax forms for every vendor that sells them more than $600 in goods. That repeal was approved 81-17 after Republicans pointed out it had originally been their idea. Obama said he would accept the change.
Acutely aware that they'll be defending 23 seats in the next election, Democrats sought to shrug off the GOP's efforts. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who said earlier in the week he hoped the vote would help Republicans get it out of their systems, called on them to "set aside the battles of the past."
But even as Reid dismissed the repeal effort, he used stark terms to describe how canceling the overhaul would affect millions of Americans. It would, Reid warned, "kick kids off their parents' health care" and "take away seniors' rights to a free wellness check."
The maneuvering reflected the depth of the controversy that still surrounds one of the most ambitious policy overhauls in recent years.
At its core, the law requires most Americans to purchase insurance, a so-called individual mandate that has become one of the principal points of opposition among Republicans and the tea party activists who propelled them to gains last fall.
The bill's critics argue the law gave government too large a role in the health care system, will harm Medicare and burden the economy by raising taxes and fees.
At the heart of the debate is a dispute over how the overhaul would affect the federal deficit.
The Congressional Budget Office reported that the law, once it takes effect, would cut federal budget deficits. But Republicans dispute that, arguing that the forecasts rest on spending cuts to Medicare and other programs that will not materialize.
Democrats tried to argue that the policy debate is largely over.
Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md., called the Republican repeal effort "one more hollow, symbolic, pander-to-the-masses amendment."
"I want to hear their ideas for replacement," she said.
Republicans made clear they have plenty of ideas for replacement -- of Democratic senators, if not the health care reform.
"Yes, we were unsuccessful today, but we do know where everybody stands," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah.
"We've made some headway," said Sen. John Thune of South Dakota.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/03/gop-health-law-repeal-defeat-step-victory/
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Thune keeping it real
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Hahaha. I cant wait for the repubs to tell americans that insurance will begin denying on pre-existing conditions again...(Did you know they have entire departments designed to find ANYTHING in your past or present to deny you)
And now any children living at home from 19-26yrs old are not covered.
And it'll be great when they cancel your policy just because you filed a claim. Bring it on..... ;D
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Hahaha. I cant wait for the repubs to tell americans that insurance will begin denying on pre-existing conditions again...(Did you know they have entire departments designed to find ANYTHING in your past or present to deny you)
And now any children living at home from 19-26yrs old are not covered.
And it'll be great when they cancel your policy just because you filed a claim. Bring it on..... ;D
didnt know the republicans where against that...
idiot!!!
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Hahaha. I cant wait for the repubs to tell americans that insurance will begin denying on pre-existing conditions again...(Did you know they have entire departments designed to find ANYTHING in your past or present to deny you)
And now any children living at home from 19-26yrs old are not covered.
And it'll be great when they cancel your policy just because you filed a claim. Bring it on..... ;D
This is the thinking that has this country fucked up. You seem to think insurance companies just sprang out of thin air and monopolized and turned the healthcare into big business. HMO act of '73 was what gave them the power, who was behind that?
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didnt know the republicans where against that...
idiot!!!
They want to repeal it dumbass. Itll be a trainwreck.
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Hahaha. I cant wait for the repubs to tell americans that insurance will begin denying on pre-existing conditions again...(Did you know they have entire departments designed to find ANYTHING in your past or present to deny you)
You mean just like when you apply for a credit card or loan, they check your credit history ?
or when you apply for auto insurance they check your driving record ?
And now any children living at home from 19-26yrs old are not covered.
And it'll be great when they cancel your policy just because you filed a claim. Bring it on..... ;D
Prior to Obamacare they could stay on till 23 as long as they were in school. Since when is a 25 yr old (not going to school) considered a "child" ?
It seems you understand Insurance about as much as you do our tax code.
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They want to repeal it dumbass. Itll be a trainwreck.
How? The healtcare bill is so back ended most of it isn't even in effect yet
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This is the thinking that has this country fucked up. You seem to think insurance companies just sprang out of thin air and monopolized and turned the healthcare into big business. HMO act of '73 was what gave them the power, who was behind that?
Good lord. Try to stay on subject will ya? Im not stating who gave them power dumbass. Insurance companies own BANKS!!!.....see why were f'd up now?? Only profits matter not people.
And by mentioning HMO's it was a way for medicare to stay competitive in pricing which is not my point... ::)
This will be fun to watch.
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How? The healtcare bill is so back ended most of it isn't even in effect yet
Well, better then than never.
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You mean just like when you apply for a credit card or loan, they check your credit history ?
or when you apply for auto insurance they check your driving record ?
Prior to Obamacare they could stay on till 23 as long as they were in school. Since when is a 25 yr old (not going to school) considered a "child" ?
Healthcare is a little different....the cost of losses is in billions. Do you enjoy it when millons of americans go the E.R. today and pass the bill to you?? How about doing something about it? At least obamas trying, more than i can say for repubs so far.
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Good lord. Try to stay on subject will ya? Im not stating who gave them power dumbass. Insurance companies own BANKS!!!.....see why were f'd up now?? Only profits matter not people.
And by mentioning HMO's it was a way for medicare to stay competitive in pricing which is not my point... ::)
This will be fun to watch.
So that doesn't matter? That the government setup this fucking mess in the first place and you are going to rely on them to "fix" it. Not to mention that the mandate is unconstitutional and a direct assault on personal freedom. And you call me the a dumbass ::)
I don't care what your point is, the fact is that the federal government has no authority in the matter, medicaid, medicare, all these government run schemes are a house of cards and a stiff wind just blew.
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Healthcare is a little different....the cost of losses is in billions. Do you enjoy it when millons of americans go the E.R. today and pass the bill to you?? How about doing something about it? At least obamas trying, more than i can say for repubs so far.
As soon as you can show me where in the constitution that healthcare is a right, I will concede the argument. Obama has no business and or constitutional authority to do anything about it.
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Bama was against the mandate before he was for it.
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Bama was against the mandate before he was for it.
That is not the point, now I'm pretty sure everyone has to take the constitution test to pass 8th grade, why the constitutional illiteracy?
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Healthcare is a little different....the cost of losses is in billions. Do you enjoy it when millons of americans go the E.R. today and pass the bill to you?? How about doing something about it? At least obamas trying, more than i can say for repubs so far.
You mean like how Obama said that his Health care Bill would reduce premiums, and yet I am paying more than before it was passed?
or maybe you mean like the fact that now in 34 Sates, you can no longer get a Child Only Policy because of Omamacare?
or maybe you mean like the additional medicaid cost to the States, that will be passed onto me ?
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They want to repeal it dumbass. Itll be a trainwreck.
so this means that anytime a politician votes against a bill they are against the ENTIRE BILL?
great fuking logic moron...
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So that doesn't matter? That the government setup this fucking mess in the first place and you are going to rely on them to "fix" it. Not to mention that the mandate is unconstitutional and a direct assault on personal freedom. And you call me the a dumbass ::)
I don't care what your point is, the fact is that the federal government has no authority in the matter, medicaid, medicare, all these government run schemes are a house of cards and a stiff wind just blew.
How do you figure that? Insurance companies are not the goverment. Many of them own the largest banks in the world and are only resposible to their shareholders......hence the problem. Is your father and grandfather turning down his SS check because its socialism? Those same claims are being made now on healthcare......the future is coming.
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so this means that anytime a politician votes against a bill they are against the ENTIRE BILL?
great fuking logic moron...
The simple fact is they the dems even with a majority had to lie, cheat, and steal to get this thing passed. We need to pass the bill to see whats in it ::) How can anyone in their right mind think this cluster fuck is in the best interest of the average american.
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You mean like how Obama said that his Health care Bill would reduce premiums, and yet I am paying more than before it was passed?
or maybe you mean like the fact that now in 34 Sates, you can no longer get a Child Only Policy because of Omamacare?
or maybe you mean like the additional medicaid cost to the States, that will be passed onto me ?
I really don't think if anyone tried, they could coe up with a worse piece of trash than bamacare.
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so this means that anytime a politician votes against a bill they are against the ENTIRE BILL?
great fuking logic moron...
Oh geez. The bill is to repeal the whole thing...not disect it. :o
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How do you figure that? Insurance companies are not the goverment. Many of them own the largest banks in the world and are only resposible to their shareholders......hence the problem. Is your father and grandfather turning down his SS check because its socialism? Those same claims are being made now on healthcare......the future is coming.
Because the government uses the commerce clause to setup a monopoly for them, it's not that hard to grasp. The insurance companies have a very powerful lobby, and they get what they want. Why would they be against this? They are going to get what 35 million new customers?
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Oh geez. The bill is to repeal the whole thing...not disect it. :o
Maybe because without the mandate the whole thing falls apart
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Oh geez. The bill is to repeal the whole thing...not disect it. :o
agreed, does that mean that the dems that voted for the bill support everything in it?
i mean the reps apparently hate everything in the bill
fuking idiot
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Oh geez. The bill is to repeal the whole thing...not disect it. :o
The entire Bill was ruled Unconstitutional by a federal Judge.
But don't let that stand int the way.....
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The entire Bill was ruled Unconstitutional by a federal Judge.
But don't let that stand int the way.....
So was the patriot act. who cares? Any solutions or just more whining?
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So was the patriot act. who cares? Any solutions or just more whining?
Who cares? Wow I guess we should just burn the constitution and let the government do whatever it wants ::)
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So was the patriot act. who cares? Any solutions or just more whining?
this isnt a solution you idiot
as james and I have already proven to your ignorant ass close to 50% of ppl in america dont pay federal income tax...
they will be given tax credits for this...WHO PAYS FOR THOSE TAX CREDITS???
thats right the other 50% of the ppl that do pay taxes
so basically you still have 50% paying for the other 50% except...now the insurance risk has increased so guess what happens to premiums?
THEY GO UP LIKE THEY ARE DOING NOW YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!
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this isnt a solution you idiot
as james and I have already proven to your ignorant ass close to 50% of ppl in america dont pay federal income tax...
they will be given tax credits for this...WHO PAYS FOR THOSE TAX CREDITS???
thats right the other 50% of the ppl that do pay taxes
so basically you still have 50% paying for the other 50% except...now the insurance risk has increased so guess what happens to premiums?
THEY GO UP LIKE THEY ARE DOING NOW YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!
oh ya i forgot to add that the govt raises taxes to help pay for the tax credits...
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Sadly that basic economic concept never dawed on the transformational genius obama and the morons wh still support him.
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agreed, does that mean that the dems that voted for the bill support everything in it?
i mean the reps apparently hate everything in the bill
fuking idiot
Hey I think it can be reworked and so does the president. Its in the interest of the repubs to do that but first they are going for the whole enchilada which is a way to kill time and spread lies. Meanwhile the dems are pronouncing the good parts of it to the public.
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Hey I think it can be reworked and so does the president. Its in the interest of the repubs to do that but first they are going for the whole enchilada which is a way to kill time and spread lies. Meanwhile the dems are pronouncing the good parts of it to the public.
LOL goodness gracious youre a bigger idiot than i thought...
the reps arent doing this to kill time and spread lies you fuking moron they are doing this to get the dems on record again as being for this bill for campaigning purposes in 2012...kinda like how the dems tried with the tax cuts that back fired on them...
The reps gave ideas that got left out of this bill, tort reform and allowing insurance companies to cross state lines...
why were those left out by the dems and obama?
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Because the government uses the commerce clause to setup a monopoly for them, it's not that hard to grasp. The insurance companies have a very powerful lobby, and they get what they want. Why would they be against this? They are going to get what 35 million new customers?
So we agree then. The insurance companies are greedy and corrupt. And politicians are puppets of them and anyone with major money.
We can see they will never do the right thing.....so whats wrong with MAKING them do the right thing?? Provide coverage to the little girl with cancer instead of denying after the parents have loyally made premiums for 20 damn years.
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Hey I think it can be reworked and so does the president. Its in the interest of the repubs to do that but first they are going for the whole enchilada which is a way to kill time and spread lies. Meanwhile the dems are pronouncing the good parts of it to the public.
"Reworked" ? why was the piece of shit Bill passed in the first place? oh that's right, as Pelsoi said, they had to pass it in order to see what was in it. Really, why waist time reading the Bill? Why bother reading anything?
Speaking of not reading reminds me of you: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=364755.75
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Of course premiums are going up. Theyve never stopped. They know the days are numbered to reform so theyve decided to screw you guys in the ass. Its like a run on the bank when you know your account is closing.......
Im out for now, and you twinks can enjoy some major pain in 2012. ;)
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There is nothing to rework - this entire Rube GoldbergEsqe messneeds to go away.
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Who cares? Wow I guess we should just burn the constitution and let the government do whatever it wants ::)
It always has. Why do you think their are amendmants to the constitution? Time marches on.
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Of course premiums are going up. Theyve never stopped. They know the days are numbered to reform so theyve decided to screw you guys in the ass. Its like a run on the bank when you know your account is closing.......
Im out for now, and you twinks can enjoy some major pain in 2012. ;)
::) ::)
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Of course premiums are going up. Theyve never stopped. They know the days are numbered to reform so theyve decided to screw you guys in the ass. Its like a run on the bank when you know your account is closing.......
Im out for now, and you twinks can enjoy some major pain in 2012. ;)
I would leave to if i had gotten shown a fool as much as you had in the 2 threads about this...
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Of course premiums are going up. Theyve never stopped. They know the days are numbered to reform so theyve decided to screw you guys in the ass. Its like a run on the bank when you know your account is closing.......
Im out for now, and you twinks can enjoy some major pain in 2012. ;)
Wrong again dummy, Obama promised that Insurance premiums (cost) would start to go down once the Bill was passed.
from WhiteHouse.gov:
Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?
A: No.
* You will likely pay less---perhaps much less. If you buy coverage like you have today on your own, premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent. If you get coverage through your job, premiums could decline by up to 3 percent.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance
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What freaking lies.
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What freaking lies.
You mean you didn't get the "14 to 20 percent" drop in premiums (that Obama promised) either ?
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You mean you didn't get the "14 to 20 percent" drop in premiums (that Obama promised) either ?
No! I have gotten insane hikes an increases to this Mugabe/Madoff healthscam.
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No! I have gotten insane hikes an increases to this Mugabe/Madoff healthscam.
But Obama (via the WhiteHouse.gov website still) states that our rates would go down 14 to 20 percent. ::)
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But Obama (via the WhiteHouse.gov website still) states that our rates would go down 14 to 20 percent. ::)
I dont give a shit what he says - he is a lying sack of Kenyan elephant dung. There has not been one honest thing he has said or done yet.
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Seriously. When asked about premiums going down after bill passed.......too funny, like a magic fairy sprinkles dust and you guys start crying at that moment.... ;D
It will take some time to get it going. Heres the projected timeline. Until then your insurance company is gonna rape you blind!!!!!
Health care reform hits another milestone next month, with new provisions that include a coverage expansion for young adults and restrictions on an insurer's ability to impose annual coverage limits or to reject children with pre-existing medical conditions.
Insurance coverage that starts on or after Sept. 23 will have to comply with these changes and others that were put in place when President Barack Obama signed the health overhaul into law March 23. For most people, the changes won't affect their plans until coverage renews in the weeks or months that follow. Here are the highlights:
_ Adult children up to age 26 will be able to receive dependent coverage with all individual and group policies.
_ Lifetime limits on the dollar value of insurance coverage will be prohibited. This refers to how much your insurance coverage pays out to cover claims.
_ Restrictions will be placed on annual limits for coverage, a practice that will prohibited in 2014.
_ Insurers will be prohibited from rescinding or canceling coverage except in cases where the customer commits fraud.
_ Insurers will not be able to exclude children from coverage because of a pre-existing condition, but they can require parents to sign up kids only during a fixed annual enrollment period to ensure they don't wait until a child gets sick to buy coverage.
_ Insurers will be required to provide preventive care like immunizations or mammograms without charging co-pays or other forms of cost sharing. Some may not have to comply with this element if their coverage existed March 23 and has not changed substantially.
Individual plans that have so-called "grandfathered status" like this also will not have to immediately follow the new restrictions on annual coverage limits or eliminate their lifetime caps. Over time, most plans will lose their grandfathered status as they make changes in benefit designs, said Jennifer Tolbert, a health policy analyst with the Kaiser Family Foundation.
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AdvertisementTolbert said these early provisions of the new law focus in part on consumer protections.
"It's basically improving the quality of coverage that people have," she said.
However, insurers and benefits analysts have cautioned that these restrictions and coverage expansions will raise the cost of insurance for some customers.
Several provisions of the complex law started unfolding in the weeks after President Obama signed it. For instance, people with Medicare prescription drug coverage are receiving $250 rebates once they reach a gap in their coverage known as the "doughnut hole."
Enrollment has started in some states for temporary insurance that will cover people with pre-existing medical conditions who have been uninsured for at least six months. Some small businesses that offer employee health coverage can seek tax credits that will apply for this year.
The law will continue to develop over the next several years. In 2011, insurers will be required to offer rebates if they don't spend a minimum percentage of their premiums on medical costs. Details of that provision are still being worked out.
Some of the biggest reform provisions start in 2014.
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Seriously. When asked about premiums going down after bill passed.......too funny, like a magic fairy sprinkles dust and you guys start crying at that moment.... ;D
It will take some time to get it going. Heres the projected timeline. Until then your insurance company is gonna rape you blind!!!!!
Health care reform hits another milestone next month, with new provisions that include a coverage expansion for young adults and restrictions on an insurer's ability to impose annual coverage limits or to reject children with pre-existing medical conditions.
Insurance coverage that starts on or after Sept. 23 will have to comply with these changes and others that were put in place when President Barack Obama signed the health overhaul into law March 23. For most people, the changes won't affect their plans until coverage renews in the weeks or months that follow. Here are the highlights:
_ Adult children up to age 26 will be able to receive dependent coverage with all individual and group policies.
_ Lifetime limits on the dollar value of insurance coverage will be prohibited. This refers to how much your insurance coverage pays out to cover claims.
_ Restrictions will be placed on annual limits for coverage, a practice that will prohibited in 2014.
_ Insurers will be prohibited from rescinding or canceling coverage except in cases where the customer commits fraud.
_ Insurers will not be able to exclude children from coverage because of a pre-existing condition, but they can require parents to sign up kids only during a fixed annual enrollment period to ensure they don't wait until a child gets sick to buy coverage.
_ Insurers will be required to provide preventive care like immunizations or mammograms without charging co-pays or other forms of cost sharing. Some may not have to comply with this element if their coverage existed March 23 and has not changed substantially.
Individual plans that have so-called "grandfathered status" like this also will not have to immediately follow the new restrictions on annual coverage limits or eliminate their lifetime caps. Over time, most plans will lose their grandfathered status as they make changes in benefit designs, said Jennifer Tolbert, a health policy analyst with the Kaiser Family Foundation.
Story continues below
AdvertisementTolbert said these early provisions of the new law focus in part on consumer protections.
"It's basically improving the quality of coverage that people have," she said.
However, insurers and benefits analysts have cautioned that these restrictions and coverage expansions will raise the cost of insurance for some customers.
Several provisions of the complex law started unfolding in the weeks after President Obama signed it. For instance, people with Medicare prescription drug coverage are receiving $250 rebates once they reach a gap in their coverage known as the "doughnut hole."
Enrollment has started in some states for temporary insurance that will cover people with pre-existing medical conditions who have been uninsured for at least six months. Some small businesses that offer employee health coverage can seek tax credits that will apply for this year.
The law will continue to develop over the next several years. In 2011, insurers will be required to offer rebates if they don't spend a minimum percentage of their premiums on medical costs. Details of that provision are still being worked out.
Some of the biggest reform provisions start in 2014.
War-dummy,
"today" does not mean a week from now, and it does not mean a year from now, once again:
from WhiteHouse.gov:
Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?
A: No.
* You will likely pay less---perhaps much less. If you buy coverage like you have today on your own, premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent. If you get coverage through your job, premiums could decline by up to 3 percent.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance
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War-dummy,
"today" does not mean a week from now, and it does not mean a year from now, once again:
from WhiteHouse.gov:
Q: Will I pay more than I am paying today?
A: No.
* You will likely pay less---perhaps much less. If you buy coverage like you have today on your own, premiums are expected to drop by 14 to 20 percent. If you get coverage through your job, premiums could decline by up to 3 percent.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/questions/buy-own-insurance
Are you for real.... ::) Yes you will be paying less than today when the ball is rolling.......omg ::)
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No wonder you voted for Obama if you believe that
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Are you for real.... ::) Yes you will be paying less than today when the ball is rolling.......omg ::)
You truly are an idiot.
In 2 years the most expensive mandates of the Bill will go into affect, and this will make rates go up even faster than they are now.
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You truly are an idiot.
In 2 years the most expensive mandates of the Bill will go into affect, and this will make rates go up even faster than they are now.
Nice crystal ball you have. Look forward to seeing repubs ideas on this which is not just status quo.
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Nice crystal ball you have. Look forward to seeing repubs ideas on this which is not just status quo.
Idiots like yourself who vote mke me really believe we need to divide te nation in two. Those who want to be left alone on one sid, and the marxist busybodies like yourself on the other.
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Nice crystal ball you have. Look forward to seeing repubs ideas on this which is not just status quo.
like tort reform and allowing insurance companies to sell across state lines...
why were this left out by obama and the dems again?
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Nice crystal ball you have. Look forward to seeing repubs ideas on this which is not just status quo.
LOL please please explain how you think this bill will lower premiums
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It always has. Why do you think their are amendmants to the constitution? Time marches on.
I don't remember seeing any amendment making healthcare a right
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So we agree then. The insurance companies are greedy and corrupt. And politicians are puppets of them and anyone with major money.
We can see they will never do the right thing.....so whats wrong with MAKING them do the right thing?? Provide coverage to the little girl with cancer instead of denying after the parents have loyally made premiums for 20 damn years.
It has nothing to do with doing the "right thing", the federal government is bound by the constitution to certain powers. Look how this fucking thing is setup, it isn't about healthcare, its about the bottom line. Tell me the government hasn't purposefully done this. They are the last people I would trust with my healthcare, insurance companies being the next. I'm old enough to remember healthcare before HMO and the government fucking it up. It didn't cost an arm and a leg.
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LOL please please explain how you think this bill will lower premiums
Actually it may be minimal. Im on the cbo site and im not impressed. Ill put it in another thread.
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It has nothing to do with doing the "right thing", the federal government is bound by the constitution to certain powers. Look how this fucking thing is setup, it isn't about healthcare, its about the bottom line. Tell me the government hasn't purposefully done this. They are the last people I would trust with my healthcare, insurance companies being the next. I'm old enough to remember healthcare before HMO and the government fucking it up. It didn't cost an arm and a leg.
My house didnt cost much then either. Its called capitialism and its a bitch. ;D
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Actually it may be minimal. Im on the cbo site and im not impressed. Ill put it in another thread.
LOL minimal???
did you take into account the double counting and the need to make cuts later on???
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My house didnt cost much then either. Its called capitialism and its a bitch. ;D
A monopoly is not capitalism, it is price fixing and illegal as fuck, unless of course the government sanctions it
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LOL minimal???
did you take into account the double counting and the need to make cuts later on???
See my thread on healthcare projections......right from cbo...
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See my thread on healthcare projections......right from cbo...
With the numbers they were given by congress
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A monopoly is not capitalism, it is price fixing and illegal as fuck, unless of course the government sanctions it
Capitialism creates monopolies. The strongest survives....look at walmart. The only way to stop it is to regulate it or break it up. And then everyone bitches about it.
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Capitialism creates monopolies. The strongest survives....look at walmart. The only way to stop it is to regulate it or break it up. And then everyone bitches about it.
How exactly is Walmart a monopoly? Is the only store you can shop at a Walmart or owner by Walmart?
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How exactly is Walmart a monopoly? Is the only store you can shop at a Walmart or owner by Walmart?
Would you say the country is better or worse with walmart? Isnt it steering us to 3rd world wages.....a step down into the basement.....
They are only engaging in capitialism arent they? But the mom and pop stores are gone. Why? Because they cant compete with the walmart thats why. They monopolize the market and with the middle class dissapearing even more so. It seems to me that something in the constitution diss allowed monopolies but now we have alot of (TO BIG TO FAIL COMPANIES)
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Vs what? You think the mom and pop hardware store is paying huge wages.
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Vs what? You think the mom and pop hardware store is paying huge wages.
Sometimes you must forget your republican and pro-business ;D
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Would you say the country is better or worse with walmart? Isnt it steering us to 3rd world wages.....a step down into the basement.....
They are only engaging in capitialism arent they? But the mom and pop stores are gone. Why? Because they cant compete with the walmart thats why. They monopolize the market and with the middle class dissapearing even more so. It seems to me that something in the constitution diss allowed monopolies but now we have alot of (TO BIG TO FAIL COMPANIES)
And I bet the same thing was said about the chain grocery stores, restaurants, ....... If you provide a quality product at a good price people will shop at your store. That is capitalism, I don't shop at walmart, that is my prerogative as a consumer. Should we demonize Lowes or Home Depot or Menards? The only reason Walmart has a target on it is because they aren't unionized plain and simple.
As far as to big to fail that's the biggest bunch of bullshit I have seen in my life time, they are only to big to fail because of their DC lobbies.
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And I bet the same thing was said about the chain grocery stores, restaurants, ....... If you provide a quality product at a good price people will shop at your store. That is capitalism, I don't shop at walmart, that is my prerogative as a consumer. Should we demonize Lowes or Home Depot or Menards? The only reason Walmart has a target on it is because they aren't unionized plain and simple.
As far as to big to fail that's the biggest bunch of bullshit I have seen in my life time, they are only to big to fail because of their DC lobbies.
I dont care if their union or not. My point is that when a company grabs a huge market share then they are allowed to control wages ...and eventually it will come to, "Hey do you want the job or not"? Its 9.00hr then 8.00 then 4.00hr. This is not good for the country, it will lead to 3rd world wages and whats sad is I dont think we can do much about it.
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I dont care if their union or not. My point is that when a company grabs a huge market share then they are allowed to control wages ...and eventually it will come to, "Hey do you want the job or not"? Its 9.00hr then 8.00 then 4.00hr. This is not good for the country, it will lead to 3rd world wages and whats sad is I dont think we can do much about it.
And exactly how much do you think someone should make to run a bar code across a scanner, or stock shelves? Its not rocket science. And how exactly is that going to happen when the government sets the minimum wage?
You will paid commensurate with your skill set, not because well its just not fair.
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I dont care if their union or not. My point is that when a company grabs a huge market share then they are allowed to control wages ...and eventually it will come to, "Hey do you want the job or not"? Its 9.00hr then 8.00 then 4.00hr. This is not good for the country, it will lead to 3rd world wages and whats sad is I dont think we can do much about it.
which is why we have a minimum wage you moron...seriously do you think before you type?