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Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« on: February 02, 2011, 12:15:40 PM »
Senate to Vote on Health-Law Repeal

GOP Seizes on Ruling Calling the Measure Unconstitutional; Democrats Downplay Judge's Decision


WASHINGTON—Senate Republicans, seizing on a court ruling that the health-care overhaul passed last year is unconstitutional, will push ahead with a vote to repeal the legislation.

The Senate effort, expected Wednesday, is almost certain to fail, likely ensuring that the push by Congress to undo the health measure goes no further, at least until the next election.

But GOP leaders said the law was unpopular, and that given two court rulings declaring all or part of the legislation unconstitutional, they were sending an important message by holding the vote. Two other federal judges have upheld the law.

"The importance of a repeal vote becomes more evident every day," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.). "Americans view it as an important decision point, a marker that shows we're serious about a return to limited government."

He added, "At this point, it would be a dereliction of duty if Republicans didn't fight for repeal." 

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703445904576118462812172794.html?mod=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsTop#articleTabs_comments



Now, we'll see if the Dems put their money where their mouths are. 23 of them are up for re-election in 2012; 12 of them are in districts that went Republican in 2010 and oppose ObamaCare.



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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2011, 12:19:23 PM »
this vote goes nowhere waste of time  ::) ::)

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2011, 12:20:48 PM »
Make all of these treasonous democrats who voted for this shit sandwich go on record.   23 of them are up in 2012 and the Tea Party will hang it around their marxist necks like a bag of cement.   


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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2011, 12:22:08 PM »
this vote goes nowhere waste of time  ::) ::)

Just like your posts.
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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2011, 12:23:54 PM »
Make all of these treasonous democrats who voted for this shit sandwich go on record.   23 of them are up in 2012 and the Tea Party will hang it around their marxist necks like a bag of cement.  



EXACTLY!!! Virtually none of them defended this mess, when their careers were at stake last year. Now, it's put up or shut up. Of course, they could also explain why they and their buddies (INCLUDING OBAMA HIMSELF) aren't on this lovely plan of theirs.

Not to mention all those unions who whored themselves to Team Obama to promote this garbage, only to later drop coverage for children ALTOGETHER, rather than pay for those with pre-existing conditions (exactly what they complained about the insurance companies).

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2011, 12:28:07 PM »
Just like your posts.

hahahaha did you make a funny  ::)

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #6 on: February 02, 2011, 12:29:34 PM »
Just ask Ben Nelson how his vote for Obamacare (corn husker kickback) is working out for him:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/nebraska/election_2012_nebraska_senate

2012 Nebraska Senate Race:

Dave Heineman (R) 61%

Ben Nelson(D) 30%

Other  4%

Not Sure  4%





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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #7 on: February 02, 2011, 12:31:03 PM »
Bottom line is that MadoffCare is going down one way or the other.   

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2011, 12:33:37 PM »
Bottom line is that MadoffCare is going down one way or the other.   

how is that ???

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #9 on: February 02, 2011, 12:35:42 PM »
how is that ???

Updated: Wed., Feb. 2, 2011, 12:14 AM 
O's house of cards
By MICHAEL A. WALSH


Last Updated: 12:14 AM, February 2, 2011



Monday's ruling by federal Judge Roger Vinson that the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act -- a k a ObamaCare -- is unconstitutional is a signal event in modern American history. For the first time since FDR browbeat the Supreme Court into accepting most of his New Deal, the Leviathan known as the federal government has been rocked back on its heels.

If the administration and the Senate Democrats had any sense, they'd take Judge Vinson's ruling as a gift, not a setback. Because, whether they know it or not, the judge just handed them an opportunity to get health care right.

The House Republicans took a dramatic step forward last month when they passed repeal, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell announced yesterday that he'll attach a repeal amendment to a bill authorizing funding for the Federal Aviation Administration as the Senate's next order of business.

Good for him. It's imperative that the Republicans keep the momentum going; whether the fate of ObamaCare is eventually decided by the Supreme Court is secondary to deciding its fate in the proper venue -- the legislative branch.

Judge Vinson's lucidly written and cogently argued decision, which approvingly cited the Federalist Papers, John Marshall and the Tenth Amendment, seized upon the Democrats' arrogant decision to not include a "severability clause" in the legislation -- which would've allowed the rest of the 2,000-page law to stand even if parts of it were to be found unconstitutional.

Vinson brought down the whole house of cards when he found that a) the coercive "individual mandate" that would have required every citizen to purchase health insurance was unconstitutional and b) that without the mandate, as the administration itself argued, the law would be unworkable.

"Because the individual mandate is unconstitutional and not severable, the entire act must be declared void," he wrote.

Yet the 78-page opinion isn't just the beginning of the end of ObamaCare on the judicial front. It also represents a significant blow to the fantasy of a "living constitution" -- which means, no constitution at all, just an ever-shifting set of political programs.

In finally containing the infinite elasticity of the Commerce Clause, Vinson has laid down a marker about how far the text of the Constitution can be stretched before it becomes meaningless.

"This case is not about whether the act is wise or unwise legislation, or whether it will solve or exacerbate the myriad problems in our health-care system," the judge wrote. "In fact, it is not really about our health-care system at all. It is principally about our federalist system, and it raises very important issues regarding the constitutional role of the federal government."

For more than a half-century, both Congress and the Supreme Court have treated the Constitution as a series of suggestions to be "interpreted," rather than the supreme law of the land. The game has been to grab some hapless phrase in the text and then use it as a rationale for the expansion of federal power.

But on which planet do the words, "to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes" mean the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act?

Now the game is up. Vinson's ruling has unhorsed the shoddy thinking and the aggressive, statist agenda behind ObamaCare. He has also stripped away the emotional protective shield from the legislation by properly framing the issue as one of law, not compassion.

He wrote: "Congress exceeded the bounds of its authority in passing the act with the individual mandate. That is not to say, of course, that Congress is without power to address the problems and inequities in our health-care system."

In other words, having made this mess in the first place, it's now up to congressional Democrats to get on the right side of the issue, vote for repeal and then come together with their Republican brethren in a grand bargain that makes everybody heroes.

But they probably won't. As a turn-of-the-century Tammany congressman once said, "What's the Constitution among friends?"


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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2011, 12:50:34 PM »

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #11 on: February 02, 2011, 02:58:00 PM »
Make all of these treasonous democrats who voted for this shit sandwich go on record.   23 of them are up in 2012 and the Tea Party will hang it around their marxist necks like a bag of cement.   





If the conservatives want to do this, fine.  But they need to pull their heads out of their asses and offer up some solutions.  In fact, start introducing some now.  IMO, it will bite them in the ass not having a comprehensive solution to deal with the rising costs.

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #12 on: February 02, 2011, 03:05:01 PM »
Bama won't sign anything they do.

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #13 on: February 02, 2011, 03:14:37 PM »
Bama won't sign anything they do.



Doesn't have to.  Just needs to be an option.  All we have from the right at this point, is some disparate ideas (good, ones), but they need a single cohesive plan to counter Obamacare.

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2011, 03:32:32 PM »
Fox News just reported the Senate voted down the House Repeal bill 51-47. Hmmmm.....I wonder which two Dems opted not to vote.

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2011, 03:33:47 PM »
My guess wo looking? 

Webb and mccaskill.

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #16 on: February 02, 2011, 03:54:46 PM »
Fox News just reported the Senate voted down the House Repeal bill 51-47. Hmmmm.....I wonder which two Dems opted not to vote.

Was just listening to Mark Levin on this, according to him the Dems and Obama are blatantly violating a federal court order. What would happen if you or I violated a federal court order????????


Liberals have no regard for laws or the Constitution. POS!

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2011, 03:57:54 PM »
Was just listening to Mark Levin on this, according to him the Dems and Obama are blatantly violating a federal court order. What would happen if you or I violated a federal court order????????


Liberals have no regard for laws or the Constitution. POS!

OF course they're violating an order. They have to appeal it and ask for a stay, and that is that!! Look at the Prop. 8 case in California. As soon as the federal judge ruled Prop. 8 federally unconstitutional. But, the supporters appealed and asked for a stay. They got it and Prop. 8 is still law.

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2011, 07:12:16 PM »
This is good strategy by Republicans, assuming the U.S. Supreme Court strikes down Obamacare.  Democrats passed a bad law, 26 states have a ruling saying it is unconstitutional, Democrats will refuse to repeal it, it then gets held unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.  The 2012 election will be right around the corner.  What do Democrats do then?   

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2011, 07:18:27 PM »
They will double down on stupid like always. 

I am hearing both webb and mccaskill are in a lot trouble, not to mention nelson, tester, and others. 

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #20 on: February 02, 2011, 09:01:55 PM »
1) I'm against this bill and hope it gets recalled.

2) the same people who celebrated the death of obamacare before it passed, are the same ppl celebrating now.  It was shot down in a conservative district by a judge who grandstanded/gloated with campaign footage.  Should the bill reach a liberal district - or even the SCOTUS - you can bet you won't have judges throwing high-fives and ownings with campaign footage.

3) Social security, medicare - even the Civil Rights Act were shot down in smaller courts as well.  Today they're part of life in the USA.

My guess is that it's gonna be a lot closer than people think, and that in the end, this shitty bill is here to stay.  You guys don't think obama will veto this repeal bill?

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2011, 09:07:43 PM »
1) I'm against this bill and hope it gets recalled.

2) the same people who celebrated the death of obamacare before it passed, are the same ppl celebrating now.  It was shot down in a conservative district by a judge who grandstanded/gloated with campaign footage.  Should the bill reach a liberal district - or even the SCOTUS - you can bet you won't have judges throwing high-fives and ownings with campaign footage.

3) Social security, medicare - even the Civil Rights Act were shot down in smaller courts as well.  Today they're part of life in the USA.

My guess is that it's gonna be a lot closer than people think, and that in the end, this shitty bill is here to stay.  You guys don't think obama will veto this repeal bill?
if the supreme court deems it unconstitutional or the mandate unconstitutional he wont have a choice

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2011, 09:14:06 PM »
if the supreme court deems it unconstitutional or the mandate unconstitutional he wont have a choice

That's a big "IF".


Some people are holding victory parades cause a federal judge "owned" obama.

Obama's a powerful man.  He can bend circumstances to fit situations he wants.  Suppose that swine flu had broken out a week before the SCOTUS had to rule on national health care?  You'd have 40 million americans demanding their free vaccination lol...

Unless you don't think presidents would ever engineer a crisis to serve their own goals.  ;)

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2011, 09:39:13 PM »
That's a big "IF".


Some people are holding victory parades cause a federal judge "owned" obama.

Obama's a powerful man.  He can bend circumstances to fit situations he wants.  Suppose that swine flu had broken out a week before the SCOTUS had to rule on national health care?  You'd have 40 million americans demanding their free vaccination lol...

Unless you don't think presidents would ever engineer a crisis to serve their own goals.  ;)

LOL havent seen any incidents where presidents have engineered things on that scale, have you?

also thats the good thing about the supreme court, it decides what the constitution says it has little to nothing to do with the situations outside of the legality of the issue...

it is a big IF though and will undoubtedly show why your choice on presidents has far reaching consequences when we see how kagen and sotomayor vote...

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Re: Senate to vote on repealing ObamaCare
« Reply #24 on: February 03, 2011, 08:03:33 AM »
They're right (so to speak).

GOP: Defeat of Health Law Repeal Is Step Toward Victory in 2012
Published February 03, 2011
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Feb. 2: Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, left, and other GOP senators, speak about the health care law repeal in Washington.

WASHINGTON -- To hear Senate Republicans tell it, the defeat of their attempt to repeal the Democrats' health care overhaul was really a victory of sorts on the long the march to the 2012 congressional and presidential elections.

The repeal effort sank Wednesday along party lines, 51-47 as expected. But in the process, Republicans forced Democrats on the record in favor of President Barack Obama's signature overhaul and launched what they described as a two-year effort to discredit it in the lead-up to a bid for a second term.

"These are the first steps in a long road that will culminate in 2012, whereby we will expose the flaws and the weaknesses in this legislation," said Texas Sen. John Cornyn, the party's campaign chief.
"We think this is just the beginning," said Republican leader Mitch McConnell. "This issue is still ahead of us."

What's certain is that Wednesday's vote changed nothing about the debate that consumed Congress for two years, dominated the midterm elections and has now moved to the courts.

Two federal judges have ruled the law is unconstitutional, partially or in its entirety, citing a requirement for individuals to purchase coverage and pay a penalty in taxes if they fail to do so. Two other judges have upheld the law.

The controversy is all but certain to be settled by the Supreme Court. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., announced he would file legislation urging the justices to act quickly.

In spite of the maneuvering and the side-taking, senators overwhelmingly voted to cancel the law's requirement that businesses, charities and state and local governments file income tax forms for every vendor that sells them more than $600 in goods. That repeal was approved 81-17 after Republicans pointed out it had originally been their idea. Obama said he would accept the change.

Acutely aware that they'll be defending 23 seats in the next election, Democrats sought to shrug off the GOP's efforts. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who said earlier in the week he hoped the vote would help Republicans get it out of their systems, called on them to "set aside the battles of the past."

But even as Reid dismissed the repeal effort, he used stark terms to describe how canceling the overhaul would affect millions of Americans. It would, Reid warned, "kick kids off their parents' health care" and "take away seniors' rights to a free wellness check."

The maneuvering reflected the depth of the controversy that still surrounds one of the most ambitious policy overhauls in recent years.

At its core, the law requires most Americans to purchase insurance, a so-called individual mandate that has become one of the principal points of opposition among Republicans and the tea party activists who propelled them to gains last fall.

The bill's critics argue the law gave government too large a role in the health care system, will harm Medicare and burden the economy by raising taxes and fees.
At the heart of the debate is a dispute over how the overhaul would affect the federal deficit.

The Congressional Budget Office reported that the law, once it takes effect, would cut federal budget deficits. But Republicans dispute that, arguing that the forecasts rest on spending cuts to Medicare and other programs that will not materialize.

Democrats tried to argue that the policy debate is largely over.

Sen. Barbara Mikulski, D-Md., called the Republican repeal effort "one more hollow, symbolic, pander-to-the-masses amendment."
"I want to hear their ideas for replacement," she said.

Republicans made clear they have plenty of ideas for replacement -- of Democratic senators, if not the health care reform.

"Yes, we were unsuccessful today, but we do know where everybody stands," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah.

"We've made some headway," said Sen. John Thune of South Dakota.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02/03/gop-health-law-repeal-defeat-step-victory/