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I was talking about exercise with someone in my building yesterday. This guy has been into lifting and working out for a long time, he's in good shape. You can tell he works out just looking at him.
Anyway. He said that he doesn't even lift weights anymore. He said that as a natural, after you lift for a few years and build up your foundation, you don't really gain much out of further lifting.
He basically said that you should lift until you max out your genetic limits, then after that you don't really gain anything from lifting.
So now he just lifts like once a week and only does the compound movements like squats and bench, just to keep his muscles toned up. But he mostly just goes cardio and sports for a workout. He said if he lifts weights hard he won't gain anything more because he is maxxed out already.
He also said that lifting weights is not healthy for the kidneys and it puts a lot of strain on your body in general. Another reason to avoid it.
Seems like he knows what he's talking about. He's cut with full muscles. Looks like he lifts weights, but he doesn't he just does other exercise.
What do you think?
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I think you are uneducated.
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He also said that lifting weights is not healthy for the kidneys
The lifting or the extra protein?
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The lifting or the extra protein?
Both.
The lifting is hard on them because it breaks down your muscles and your body has to repair it. This taxes your kidneys. After lifting hard, your liver and kidney enzyme levels spike up a lot usually. Repairing broken down muscle tissue is work for your body.
The extra protien is not good too.
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I think you are uneducated.
I know you think that.
Because you are a pompous know-it-all little queer.
You think everyone is uneducated compared to yourself. You think you're better than everyopne else. I get it....
Now, would you kindly fuck off please?
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I agree w him
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Both.
The lifting is hard on them because it breaks down your muscles and your body has to repair it. This taxes your kidneys. After lifting hard, your liver and kidney enzyme levels spike up a lot usually. Repairing broken down muscle tissue is work for your body.
The extra protien is not good too.
Interesting, never heard that about the lifting part.
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I agree w him
It makes sense to me too.
I'm thinking about changing my regimen. Instead of lifting i'm bicycle more, do more rock climbing and stuff like that.
I'm thinking of just lifting 1x per week to maintain. Squat, bench, overhead press, dumbells rows.
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It makes sense to me too.
I'm thinking about changing my regimen. Instead of lifting i'm bicycle more, do more rock climbing and stuff like that.
I'm thinking of just lifting 1x per week to maintain. Squat, bench, overhead press, dumbells rows.
maintain what ?
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maintain what ?
My muscle size and definition. Keep myself maxxed out to my natural limits.
Because I think that if I totally stop lifting i'll go flat. I think a little lifting is good to keep the muscles toned and pumped.
At this point, the lifting is mostly just maintaining what I have and keeping it pumped and toned. There is no major growth happening because I already pushed to genetic limit. So might as well scale back the lifting in my regimen.
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some naturals would have to lift weights more frequently to maintain their muscle mass
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some naturals would have to lift weights more frequently to maintain their muscle mass
I recently went 6 weeks without lifting.
I noticed that I barely lost much strength, and didn't lose any size. The main thing that happened is that my muscles felt soft and flat.
Then after a couple weeks of lifting I just went right back to where I was before.
Makes me think that the main thing to do is just keep it pumped and toned.
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My muscle size and definition. Keep myself maxxed out to my natural limits.
Because I think that if I totally stop lifting i'll go flat. I think a little lifting is good to keep the muscles toned and pumped.
At this point, the lifting is mostly just maintaining what I have and keeping it pumped and toned. There is no major growth happening because I already pushed to genetic limit. So might as well scale back the lifting in my regimen.
Why are you so convinced that you have "pushed your genetic limit?"
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Why are you so convinced that you have "pushed your genetic limit?"
I've been lifting for like 17 years.
A couple times I went all out. Training really, really hard with maniac intensity. Diet perfect. I spent almost three years doing everything perfectly and reached my limits.
When you push yourself to the limit, you see where it is.
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You still need to give the muscle a reason to be there. Let me give you an analogy. I play nylon strung guitars. I often practice my fast passages/scales for hours at a time. My left hand has fingertips like granite. HOWEVER, if I don't play for a week or more my fingers start to slowly soften up. You can easily maintain musculature by training very infrequently yes, but eventually you will begin to decompensate if you leave it for too long.
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When you push yourself to the limit, you see where it is.
Must have hurt for your boyfriend.
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You still need to give the muscle a reason to be there. Let me give you an analogy. I play nylon strung guitars. I often practice my fast passages/scales for hours at a time. My left hand has fingertips like granite. HOWEVER, if I don't play for a week or more my fingers start to slowly soften up. You can easily maintain musculature by training very infrequently yes, but eventually you will begin to decompensate if you leave it for too long.
I agree with that.
I just think that maybe lifting hard 4x per week is unnecessary. Maybe just lifting once a week is week enough.
The fitness industry tells us we should always lift hard 3 or 4x per week forever. But maybe they are just feeding us bullshit liek they always do?
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I agree that you can cut way back on the volume after you've been training for 15-20 years. Lift once or twice per week and you can retain your size.
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You still need to give the muscle a reason to be there. Let me give you an analogy. I play nylon strung guitars. I often practice my fast passages/scales for hours at a time. My left hand has fingertips like granite. HOWEVER, if I don't play for a week or more my fingers start to slowly soften up. You can easily maintain musculature by training very infrequently yes, but eventually you will begin to decompensate if you leave it for too long.
This^ And as someone gets older, they will lose muscle mass. Something like 10% every decade. Stimulation of the muscle is needed for the muscle to survive without major atrophy.
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My muscle size and definition. Keep myself maxxed out to my natural limits.
Can you post your photos or links to them? (not much homo)
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batman would be ashamed of your gayness...
bench
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Can you post your photos or links to them? (not much homo)
I'm at work right now so can't do that.
But I would say that I look like a mix between Marcus Ruhl and Brad Pitt.
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I'm at work right now so can't do that.
But I would say that I look like a mix between Marcus Ruhl and Brad Pitt.
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I'm surprised that you went 6 weeks without training and didn't lose any size and/or strength blackflag. If I go for much over 2 weeks, at around the 17 day point, I start to lose size and strength. I can maintain size and strength with up to 2 weeks btw body parts. As far as your maintenance program goes, I would eliminate the overhead presses and just stick with some kind of bench press or dip.
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I know you think that.
Because you are a pompous know-it-all little queer.
You think everyone is uneducated compared to yourself. You think you're better than everyopne else. I get it....
Now, would you kindly fuck off please?
no, i actually agree with him.
you are a moron. but the type that is so dumb you dont realise it.
you know like those singers that audition for american idol and truly believe that they have talent?...theres a group of people like that when it comes to life in general.
you are one of them.
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no, i actually agree with him.
you are a moron. but the type that is so dumb you dont realise it.
you know like those singers that audition for american idol and truly believe that they have talent?...theres a group of people like that when it comes to life in general.
you are one of them.
I've got no illusions about life.
Now if you'd excuse me. I need to go let your Mom eat out my asshole, she's begging for it.
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Must have hurt for your boyfriend.
;D ;D ;D
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I was talking about exercise with someone in my building yesterday. This guy has been into lifting and working out for a long time, he's in good shape. You can tell he works out just looking at him.
Anyway. He said that he doesn't even lift weights anymore. He said that as a natural, after you lift for a few years and build up your foundation, you don't really gain much out of further lifting.
He basically said that you should lift until you max out your genetic limits, then after that you don't really gain anything from lifting.
So now he just lifts like once a week and only does the compound movements like squats and bench, just to keep his muscles toned up. But he mostly just goes cardio and sports for a workout. He said if he lifts weights hard he won't gain anything more because he is maxxed out already.
He also said that lifting weights is not healthy for the kidneys and it puts a lot of strain on your body in general. Another reason to avoid it.
Seems like he knows what he's talking about. He's cut with full muscles. Looks like he lifts weights, but he doesn't he just does other exercise.
What do you think?
It makes sense to me. Its really hard to put on more mass as an advanced natural. Its easier to just maintain it all instead. I did something very similar to what this dude did a year ago. 1 full body workout once a week, and the rest just cardio. It worked very well.
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It makes sense to me. Its really hard to put on more mass as an advanced natural. Its easier to just maintain it all instead. I did something very similar to what this dude did a year ago. 1 full body workout once a week, and the rest just cardio. It worked very well.
I'm about to try a similar thing. I'm only gonna do squat, bench, overhead press and rows. Maybe throw in some curls. Just lift 1x per week or maybe do it in a two day split. Just bring the weight lifting down to a maintainence level routine.
I'm also gonna ride my bicycle a lot more and get back into yoga. Maybe play some sports or get back into martial arts.
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What about for the rest of us who actually enjoy weight training and don't just do it to reach our "potential"?
Even if I don't grow anymore, I'd still train because I enjoy it.
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I was talking about exercise with someone in my building yesterday. This guy has been into lifting and working out for a long time, he's in good shape. You can tell he works out just looking at him.
Anyway. He said that he doesn't even lift weights anymore. He said that as a natural, after you lift for a few years and build up your foundation, you don't really gain much out of further lifting.
He basically said that you should lift until you max out your genetic limits, then after that you don't really gain anything from lifting.
So now he just lifts like once a week and only does the compound movements like squats and bench, just to keep his muscles toned up. But he mostly just goes cardio and sports for a workout. He said if he lifts weights hard he won't gain anything more because he is maxxed out already.
He also said that lifting weights is not healthy for the kidneys and it puts a lot of strain on your body in general. Another reason to avoid it.
Seems like he knows what he's talking about. He's cut with full muscles. Looks like he lifts weights, but he doesn't he just does other exercise.
What do you think?
I dont think you have to worry about it at all. You actually have to lift weights first before you can even think about getting to the point of being an "advanced lifter"
P.S. epic man crush you have on him though. Was this before or after you were helping him "relieve the tension in his sore muscles"
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I dont think you have to worry about it at all. You actually have to lift weights first before you can even think about getting to the point of being an "advanced lifter"
P.S. epic man crush you have on him though. Was this before or after you were helping him "relieve the tension in his sore muscles"
And just who the fuck are you?
No man crush. Actually a buddy I know fairly well. He's from Mexico North, but he's cool.
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And just who the fuck are you?
No man crush. Actually a buddy I know fairly well. He's from Mexico North, but he's cool.
Yes..hes just a "friend"......that occasionally likes going balls deep in you because it will help "keep your kidneys healthy"
Who the fuck I am is no concern to you twink....
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Yes..hes just a "friend"......that occasionally likes going balls deep in you because it will help "keep your kidneys healthy"
Who the fuck I am is no concern to you twink....
Who the fuck you are is of no concern to me. That's definitely true.
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thats what i think sometimes as well. its that i like lifting and sore muscles but i think that not training after some years is not really required anymore to hold on the mass you have.
weeks go by that i only train for two times a week. i think only doing a few basic excersizes is enough and training like a madman 4/5 times a week doing all kinds of machines and cables is bullshit.
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I've been lifting for like 17 years.
A couple times I went all out. Training really, really hard with maniac intensity. Diet perfect. I spent almost three years doing everything perfectly and reached my limits.
When you push yourself to the limit, you see where it is.
ok I hear ya. What are your stats if u dnt mind me asking....height, weight, (best lifts etc).
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ok I hear ya. What are your stats if u dnt mind me asking....height, weight, (best lifts etc).
Sure bro. Here's a picture of me and my homeboys.
I'm the guy on the right. I can bench press 495 for 8 reps. Nothing special.
(http://www.confessionsofaninsomniac.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/midgets.jpg)
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Put it this way my father maintains his build just doing pressups and curls, he is fifty five, lifetime natty. His det is also complete shit, he probably gets about a quarter of the protein he should be getting.
Great genetics and solid foundation, it doesn't disappear. Drug gains disappear.
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Put it this way my father maintains his build just doing pressups and curls, he is fifty five, lifetime natty. His det is also complete shit, he probably gets about a quarter of the protein he should be getting.
Great genetics and solid foundation, it doesn't disappear. Drug gains disappear.
so your mom had an adventure with a bum with shitty genes?
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so your mom had an adventure with a bum with shitty genes?
What are you talking about? A guy that is old enough to be your father carries about three times your muscle mass natural.
You have absolutely horrible genetics.
You are the best example of drug weight that dissapears as soon as you stop cycle.
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What are you talking about? A guy that is old enough to be your father carries about three times your muscle mass natural.
You have absolutely horrible genetics.
You are the best example of drug weight that dissapears as soon as you stop cycle.
::)
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After about five years you have probably hit your full growth potential, after that you are looking at very small increments.
So after you are maxed out i don't think there needs to be a great deal of intensity, a lot of it is probably genetics though, there are some guys that are just not suited to training.
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Sure bro. Here's a picture of me and my homeboys.
I'm the guy on the right. I can bench press 495 for 8 reps. Nothing special.
(http://www.confessionsofaninsomniac.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/midgets.jpg)
Ok whatever.
The reason i asked u the question in the first place is because so many ppl have a defeatest attitude when it comes to lifting..."ooh ive been training so long, ooh i cant get bigger, i cant stronger etc etc" ....HOWEVER, most of these ppl dont even train hard.
Im guessing you're part of that 'crew' as u cant even answer a simple question?
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i read in ur other thread that you're 5'8" and "think" you'll weigh 145lbs in your lil contest?
and you've reached your NATURAL GENETIC LIMIT? REALLY???
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thats what i think sometimes as well. its that i like lifting and sore muscles but i think that not training after some years is not really required anymore to hold on the mass you have.
weeks go by that i only train for two times a week. i think only doing a few basic excersizes is enough and training like a madman 4/5 times a week doing all kinds of machines and cables is bullshit.
You must be huge.
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I agree with that.
I just think that maybe lifting hard 4x per week is unnecessary. Maybe just lifting once a week is week enough.
The fitness industry tells us we should always lift hard 3 or 4x per week forever. But maybe they are just feeding us bullshit liek they always do?
I think you misunderstood. I haven't trained more often than once a week for almost 4 years...
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Drop the overhead presses Blackflag, and just stick with The Big 3: squats, rows, and benches. Also, don't drop your training weight, unless you want to get smaller and weaker.
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Who the fuck you are is of no concern to me. That's definitely true.
Asking me who the fuck I am negates you later on saying "who you are is of no concern to me" HA
P.S. Did you get your gym membership yet? You do have a contest coming up....ha ha ha ha
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You must be huge.
im one of the bigger guys here but i treat everyone with respect because we all started small.
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"Big or small" is important when it comes to cock size.
When it comes to body mass lots of people really do not want to be big.
Cuts, shape and vascularity is good. Lots of mass is something that most guys on't even want.
If you are natural, and massive. It is almost a sure thing that you'll be chubby and have horrible shape.
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Natural bodybuilding is like sex without a vagina. Just up the dose already.
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People who don't train anymore but still hold the same bodyweight and tell you they are about the same size as when they did train, rarely if ever say these things with no shirt on.
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Ok whatever.
The reason i asked u the question in the first place is because so many ppl have a defeatest attitude when it comes to lifting..."ooh ive been training so long, ooh i cant get bigger, i cant stronger etc etc" ....HOWEVER, most of these ppl dont even train hard.
Im guessing you're part of that 'crew' as u cant even answer a simple question?
I've reached my genetic limits before. Like i said before, a long time ago I spent 3 years doing everything really well and really seriously and by the end of those three years all my efforts were simply going into maintaining what I had already built. FOr 3 years I was lifting hard and heavy, every workous was a war, I was eating tons of protein, tuna out of the can, all that fucked up shit.
My body weight has been as high as 185. That's the biggest I can possibly get and beyond that it just gets fat and sloppy. After lifting for almost 2 decades you'll learn what your genetics are all about.
Some guys can bulk up to 240 and be a chubby strongfat. Other guys are genetically destined to be lean.
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People who don't train anymore but still hold the same bodyweight and tell you they are about the same size as when they did train, rarely if ever say these things with no shirt on.
Well I never walk around with no shirt on anyway. So that's cool.
Where are you talking to shirtless men about their muscles? Hmmmmm....
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Well I never walk around with no shirt on anyway. So that's cool.
Where are you talking to shirtless men about their muscles? Hmmmmm....
Its only gay if you want it to be
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Hahahahahaahaaaaa....... small guys talking about losing their "mass".
you can't lose what you don't have
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im one of the bigger guys here but i treat everyone with respect because we all started small.
;D
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I'm at work right now so can't do that.
But I would say that I look like a mix between Marcus Ruhl and Brad Pitt.
You can post your photos when you get home, OK?
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Many fellas here are nearly hyper-obsessed with numbers, particularly bodyweight. I've been as low as 129 when I was running cross country in high school, and as high as 211, about 5 years ago. Snowman made a great point about the shirt off thing, and I can relate to that. Case in point, I have been a "fat" 155 @ 13% and a ripped 155 @ 6% and the difference btw those 2 states is literally HUGE. Not huge muscles, but a huge dif in apperance that became much more noticable while wearing a string tank top
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People who don't train anymore but still hold the same bodyweight and tell you they are about the same size as when they did train, rarely if ever say these things with no shirt on.
^THIS^
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some naturals would have to lift weights more frequently to maintain their muscle mass
Nope. I trained hard for years. Quit two years ago and have started up and stopped again at least 5 times. Right now I'm working out again. I'm at about 80% of my max lifting weight and I look NO different from what I did years ago. I'm by no means a Getbig monster, but it's very clear to people that I work out. If only the realised how little I actually work out.
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thats the good thing with natural training,. when you stop you stay the same practically. a juicer shrinks
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muscle memory, no ?
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recently I had a 10 day lay off due to injury. I lost no size or strength.
Grabted this is not a long period but 5 years ago I would have felt a loss in size or strength I think.
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I was talking about exercise with someone in my building yesterday. This guy has been into lifting and working out for a long time, he's in good shape. You can tell he works out just looking at him.
Anyway. He said that he doesn't even lift weights anymore. He said that as a natural, after you lift for a few years and build up your foundation, you don't really gain much out of further lifting.
He basically said that you should lift until you max out your genetic limits, then after that you don't really gain anything from lifting.
So now he just lifts like once a week and only does the compound movements like squats and bench, just to keep his muscles toned up. But he mostly just goes cardio and sports for a workout. He said if he lifts weights hard he won't gain anything more because he is maxxed out already.
He also said that lifting weights is not healthy for the kidneys and it puts a lot of strain on your body in general. Another reason to avoid it.
Seems like he knows what he's talking about. He's cut with full muscles. Looks like he lifts weights, but he doesn't he just does other exercise.
What do you think?
There are some intrinsic value to working out independent of having big muscle. Health and fitness is one of them. I think a maintenance program of once a week training, provided that you still train intense enough to maintain your strength, is sufficient. And if you are active in other activities as you mentioned like biking/rock climbing then you will be, or still be, in great shape.
Some enjoy going to the gym for it's own sake, others do not. At this point in my life I can't imagine going to the gym six days a week. There's other things I would rather do. Weight training for me is about enhancing the quality of your life and not an end in itself. Nothing wrong though for those that get that rush hitting it everyday.
The program mentioned by dj, the "big three" is a good guideline though I would think of it more in terms of a pushing exercise, pulling, and a squatting type movement whether squats or leg press. I wouldn't be overly concerned with sticking to certain exercises or doing just free weights. I'd throw in some stiff leg deads for hams, lower back and to maintain some type of flexibility.
BTW BlackFlag, I thought you were doing some kind of contest?
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recently I had a 10 day lay off due to injury. I lost no size or strength.
Grabted this is not a long period but 5 years ago I would have felt a loss in size or strength I think.
But you're just a monster and one of the few genuinely good guys on this board. Hope all is going well with you, my friend.
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Just curious, what do you fellas think about the continum of recovery/over-compensation/maintainance/de-compensation? Roughly from my own personal experience, full recovery happens after 3 to 5 days after the previous workout, and over-compensation happens after 6 to 9 days after the workout, and maintaince lasts from 10 to 16 days after the last workout, and lastly, decompensation starts to happen after the 17th day.
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Just curious, what do you fellas think about the continum of recovery/over-compensation/maintainance/de-compensation? Roughly from my own personal experience, full recovery happens after 3 to 5 days after the previous workout, and over-compensation happens after 6 to 9 days after the workout, and maintaince lasts from 10 to 16 days after the last workout, and lastly, decompensation starts to happen after the 17th day.
Could you honestly just stop, please ?
I'm embarrassed for you
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Just curious, what do you fellas think about the continum of recovery/over-compensation/maintainance/de-compensation? Roughly from my own personal experience, full recovery happens after 3 to 5 days after the previous workout, and over-compensation happens after 6 to 9 days after the workout, and maintaince lasts from 10 to 16 days after the last workout, and lastly, decompensation starts to happen after the 17th day.
LMAO
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What's so embarassing about it? It's just a logical application of the training stimulus. First one must fully recover, and only then can over-compensation occur, after full recovery.