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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Lord of the Roidz on February 16, 2011, 04:08:28 PM
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There was this guy at my gym about 5'10" weighing 280 or so. I spoke to him a lot...guy's face was always beet red and round as a pumpkin. I heard him telling a guy next to me that he was on 2000 mg of sustanon a week along with 600 mg of tren and took 7 or 8 anadrols a day, along with about 10iu's of growth a day. I heard the guy ask him if he ever got his lipids checked. He said, "Nah, I don't worry about that shit. That's for wusses." Heard today he had a heart attack and died..age 31. I'm sure the juice had nothing to do with it though. ;)
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Guys in the gym with permanently beet-red faces need interventions..
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not everyone can handle the Cutler stack
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your next LORD OF THE ROIDZ
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I blame it on McDonalds.
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muscles or not, no guy that is 5'10 should be 280, that's hard on the heart
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There was this guy at my gym about 5'10" weighing 280 or so. I spoke to him a lot...guy's face was always beet red and round as a pumpkin. I heard him telling a guy next to me that he was on 2000 mg of sustanon a week along with 600 mg of tren and took 7 or 8 anadrols a day, along with about 10iu's of growth a day. I heard the guy ask him if he ever got his lipids checked. He said, "Nah, I don't worry about that shit. That's for wusses." Heard today he had a heart attack and died..age 31. I'm sure the juice had nothing to do with it though. ;)
was his name nick marshall ?
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This guy at my gym croaked a while back; he hovered around 280-295. Heart attack. When I see lower legs get dark, red, or discolored like this I always take it as a bad sign. :-[
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This guy at my gym croaked a while back; he hovered around 280-295. Heart attack. When I see lower legs get dark, red, or discolored like this I always take it as a bad sign. :-[
If his face looks like a bulldog chewing a wasp then I'll be damned, that is your perfect dude!
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This guy at my gym croaked a while back; he hovered around 280-295. Heart attack. When I see lower legs get dark, red, or discolored like this I always take it as a bad sign. :-[
you know you can be charged for giving some one H.I.V right ? maybe you should delete this post and contact your lawyer
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This guy at my gym croaked a while back; he hovered around 280-295. Heart attack. When I see lower legs get dark, red, or discolored like this I always take it as a bad sign. :-[
Jesus H Christ!! Is this a pic of the actual guy you are talking about? How in the fuk can someone not tell that they look like death. What a shame though. I am sure that diet as well as other factors are involved. Most of these guys are on all kinds on stimulants too. Steroids alone do not cause people to drop dead at an early age.
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There was this guy at my gym about 5'10" weighing 280 or so. I spoke to him a lot...guy's face was always beet red and round as a pumpkin. I heard him telling a guy next to me that he was on 2000 mg of sustanon a week along with 600 mg of tren and took 7 or 8 anadrols a day, along with about 10iu's of growth a day. I heard the guy ask him if he ever got his lipids checked. He said, "Nah, I don't worry about that shit. That's for wusses." Heard today he had a heart attack and died..age 31. I'm sure the juice had nothing to do with it though. ;)
at least he died big! ::)
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at least he died big! ::)
All kidding aside, if you "use" in an intelligent way, you don't have to clog up your arteries or send your blood pressure through the roof. Oh, and the guy I was talking about never planned to compete...just enjoyed recreational Permabulking.
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Jesus H Christ!! Is this a pic of the actual guy you are talking about? How in the fuk can someone not tell that they look like death. What a shame though. I am sure that diet as well as other factors are involved. Most of these guys are on all kinds on stimulants too. Steroids alone do not cause people to drop dead at an early age.
Yeah that was him. He wasn't a friend... just a gym acquaintance, someone I saw training every now and then. How do you tell someone they look unhealthy--or worse--like they are headed for the grave? Maybe he knew? Maybe he didn't care? Maybe he thought it was inevitable? We didn't have a rapport such that I felt I could go there. Didn't this happen to Don Youngblood too? His friends and family must have seen that he was looking unhealthy toward the end. ???
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Not everyone can be as healthy as "Fist". 8% BF, needs to fill out a little.
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Didn't D'arezzo have a heart attack as well? I don't remember the details but wasn't it right before a contest? :-[
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Didn't D'arezzo have a heart attack as well? I don't remember the details but wasn't it right before a contest? :-[
Yeah he did. He was warned about competing. I was at that show and I think it was no coincidence that he died that close to a show. Diuretics played a role if not the entire reason.
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Steroids are just plain fucking stupid for anyone to use.
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Diet plays a huge role in plaque build up. I know two guys who have been using for almost 20 years each. Both these guys almost never take a break. Both of them do not use any other type of drugs or stimulants nor have they ever drank alcohol. I finally got on of them to get their arteries checked for blockage. Turns out he has one artery that is 5% blocked and the rest are totally clear. This is actually better than most of the population his age.
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Yeah he did. He was warned about competing. I was at that show and I think it was no coincidence that he died that close to a show. Diuretics played a role if not the entire reason.
yea I was gonna say he had a electolyte imbalance
Hypochloremia
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Steroids are just plain fucking stupid for anyone to use.
explain instead of trolling.
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Steroids are just plain fucking stupid for anyone to use.
An opinion.
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Steroids are just plain fucking stupid for anyone to use.
so is weighing 280 at 5'10
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Steroids are just plain fucking stupid for anyone to use.
Then why do/did you use them?
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so is weighing 280 at 5'10
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Can't argue with that. Wether it is fat or muscle, the heart does not like to pump blood through that much body mass plain and simple. :-\
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Steroids are just plain fucking stupid for anyone to use.
did you say that straight to Colemans face when you were taking pics with him fanboy?
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Can't argue with that. Wether it is fat or muscle, the heart does not like to pump blood through that much body mass plain and simple. :-\
I agree, but there are plenty of normal weight people with blocked arteries and low cholesterol levels.
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This guy at my gym croaked a while back; he hovered around 280-295. Heart attack. When I see lower legs get dark, red, or discolored like this I always take it as a bad sign. :-[
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=366761.0;attach=402598;image)
classic example of the 260+ guys that look like shit, half of that weight is packed in his midsection
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classic example of the 260+ guys looking like shit, half of that weight is in his midsection
Tons of visceral fat and from the looks of it he was going into heart failure. Shame
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Then why do/did you use them?
Never have in my life. I still don`t understand what the appeal is. A Natural physique, in my opinion, simply looks better and can be achieved at no detriment to your health. I don`t like the "rounded" look that a drugged physique provides.
A Natural physique is more "straight-edged" and "razor-like", not rounded.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)
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I dont know how people can claim steroids aren't dangerous and they won't kill you. I was on a fairly moderate dose of tren for 6 weeks I felt like I was gonna have a heart attack and croack. My resting bp shot up to 140-150/90-100 just resting. I could of stroked out If I was pushing it hard enough. This was on a light dose. I had freaken chest pains. I don't know how people are using 2-3 grams it amazes me. I would turn red as a beat on a gram of test. My body can handle light doses thats it.
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Never have in my life. I still don`t understand what the appeal is. A Natural physique, in my opinion, simply looks better and can be achieved at no detriment to your health. I don`t like the "rounded" look that a drugged physique provides.
A Natural physique is more "straight-edged" and "razor-like", not rounded.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)
Who's the guy on the pic?
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Tons of visceral fat and from the looks of it he was going into heart failure. Shame
tons of visceral fat and a-bombs too ;D
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Who's the guy on the pic?
Me.
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I dont know how people can claim steroids aren't dangerous and they won't kill you. I was on a fairly moderate dose of tren for 6 weeks I felt like I was gonna have a heart attack and croack. My resting bp shot up to 140-150/90-100 just resting. I could of stroked out If I was pushing it hard enough. This was on a light dose. I had freaken chest pains. I don't know how people are using 2-3 grams it amazes me. I would turn red as a beat on a gram of test. My body can handle light doses thats it.
Some people can handle larger amounts with out the sides. I was never one of them. As far as tren goes that is the one drugs that I would say no one should EVER use unless you compete and even then 8 weeks out is plenty.
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Never have in my life. I still don`t understand what the appeal is. A Natural physique, in my opinion, simply looks better and can be achieved at no detriment to your health. I don`t like the "rounded" look that a drugged physique provides.
A Natural physique is more "straight-edged" and "razor-like", not rounded.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)
With all due respect, if this is a picture of yourself, then I doubt that you are totally natural.
Well you are, if you don't think Winstrol or Anavar are steroids.
Otherwise, you are not natural. Close, but no cigar.
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Me.
Liar.
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With all due respect, if this is a picture of yourself, then I doubt that you are totally natural.
Well you are, if you don't think Winstrol or Anavar are steroids.
Otherwise, you are not natural. Close, but no cigar.
Sorry, but that in that picture I am around 165-170 at 5`11. I know its difficult to believe that such mass can be obtained naturally, but it can be done. I also eat whatever I want in case you didn`t know. 8)
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Never have in my life. I still don`t understand what the appeal is. A Natural physique, in my opinion, simply looks better and can be achieved at no detriment to your health. I don`t like the "rounded" look that a drugged physique provides.
A Natural physique is more "straight-edged" and "razor-like", not rounded.
LAWL
what a bullshitter you are
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=351776.0;attach=387213;image)
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With all due respect, if this is a picture of yourself, then I doubt that you are totally natural.
Well you are, if you don't think Winstrol or Anavar are steroids.
Otherwise, you are not natural. Close, but no cigar.
That is NOT a pic of him and he has admitted it already. He lies so much he prob forgot. Someone on here posted some pics of who this guy really is. When I called him on it once before he claimed that he never said it was him and here he goes again. ::)
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That is NOT a pic of him and he has admitted it already. He lies so much he prob forgot. Someone on here posted some pics of who this guy really is. When I called him on it once before he claimed that he never said it was him and here he goes again. ::)
ROFL, creepy place getbig
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Liar.
???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373715;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373718;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373719;image)
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That is NOT a pic of him and he has admitted it already. He lies so much he prob forgot. Someone on here posted some pics of who this guy really is. When I called him on it once before he claimed that he never said it was him and here he goes again. ::)
That IS a pic of me you dumb fuck stick and I have ALWAYS said it was, because it is.
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That is NOT a pic of him and he has admitted it already. He lies so much he prob forgot. Someone on here posted some pics of who this guy really is. When I called him on it once before he claimed that he never said it was him and here he goes again. ::)
I will delete my account if that is not me in the picture.
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With all due respect, if this is a picture of yourself, then I doubt that you are totally natural.
Well you are, if you don't think Winstrol or Anavar are steroids.
Otherwise, you are not natural. Close, but no cigar.
The things that make him look big in that pic are all things that naturals can have: tight waist and good taper, low bodyfat to show chest striations, and veins in arms.
Naturals usually look heavier than they really are, while it's the opposite for the bloated guys (see the guy in this thread with the red dacks)
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That IS a pic of me you dumb fuck stick and I have ALWAYS said it was, because it is.
HAHAHAHAHA hit a nerve did I ?? Yep you are a LIAR. Posting other pics of yourself does not prove anything.
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That is NOT a pic of him and he has admitted it already. He lies so much he prob forgot. Someone on here posted some pics of who this guy really is. When I called him on it once before he claimed that he never said it was him and here he goes again. ::)
Who gives a shit? No one (on a bodybuilding board) wants to look at that physique. Nothing personal but that is the truth. If he is proud of it great... but this is the wrong venue to try to impress people looking like that. :-[
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adonis,
are your legs really that fucked up?
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I've been prioritizing cardio lately to stay healthy
Cardio will not "make" you healthy. Only what you eat can do that. There are plenty of people out there that run and still get blocked arteries. Look at Jim Fixx.
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adonis,
are your legs really that fucked up?
No, thats been photoshopped by the great OnlyMe. Its one of my favorites that he did!
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Who gives a shit? No one (on a bodybuilding board) wants to look at that physique. Nothing personal but that is the truth. If he is proud of it great... but this is the wrong venue to try to impress people looking like that. :-[
No one wants to look at you save for a few old gay scaly-skinned snaggle-toothed piggy bears. I know thats the type you prefer anyways so this is clearly not an insult.
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This is what natural muscle looks like u steroid using fuks. >:(
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This is what natural muscle looks like u steroid using fuks. >:(
no dude this is what natural muscle looks like
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Cardio will not "make" you healthy. Only what you eat can do that. There are plenty of people out there that run and still get blocked arteries. Look at Jim Fixx.
Yeah but running most likely prolonged his life. People don't realize that before he started running Fixx was a bigtime smoker and had a terrible diet.
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no dude this is what natural muscle looks like
Why have I consistently been the smallest guy at my gym even tho I've religiously worked out for 3 years, lifted heavy, eat proteins and what not. :'(
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Why have I consistently been the smallest guy at my gym even tho I've religiously worked out for 3 years, lifted heavy, eat proteins and what not. :'(
genetics
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genetics
Yup its true. I'm probably the 1st member of my family chain who is not obese. None of them ever worked out. When I eat more it just stores in my stomach as fat.
I curl the 30lb dumbbells like guys with 3 times the muscle and bench 160lbs for reps even tho I only weigh 140 yet I cant get the muscle. Guess I'll just be a skinnyfat bitch forever. :-[
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Yeah but running most likely prolonged his life. People don't realize that before he started running Fixx was a bigtime smoker and had a terrible diet.
I doubt it. I mean why would it? We could also argue that with all the blockages he had he wore his heart out sooner by making it work way harder to pump blood thru clogged arteries, after all he did die while running.
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Why have I consistently been the smallest guy at my gym even tho I've religiously worked out for 3 years, lifted heavy, eat proteins and what not. :'(
Maybe because they are using and you're not?
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Yup its true. I'm probably the 1st member of my family chain who is not obese. None of them ever worked out. When I eat more it just stores in my stomach as fat.
I curl the 30lb dumbbells like guys with 3 times the muscle and bench 160lbs for reps even tho I only weigh 140 yet I cant get the muscle. Guess I'll just be a skinnyfat bitch forever. :-[
you bitch alot about 'being small' 'being natural' and I weigh this and that
whats your point - you need to prove somethg to 'steroid using fcks' as yuou stated, that ur enlightened by this, that 11th grade is so much better without joose
what input to you hvae other than to complainabout ;not taking shit;
its gettn weak brah, you need to just come clean and tell us your warcraft days logged on and earn soem respect ;D
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you bitch alot about 'being small' 'being natural' and I weigh this and that
whats your point - you need to prove somethg to 'steroid using fcks' as yuou stated, that ur enlightened by this, that 11th grade is so much better without joose
what input to you hvae other than to complainabout ;not taking shit;
its gettn weak brah, you need to just come clean and tell us your warcraft days logged on and earn soem respect ;D
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funny how the ''steroid using fcks'' own the minds of every natural twink ::)
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Yeah that was him. He wasn't a friend... just a gym acquaintance, someone I saw training every now and then. How do you tell someone they look unhealthy--or worse--like they are headed for the grave? Maybe he knew? Maybe he didn't care? Maybe he thought it was inevitable? We didn't have a rapport such that I felt I could go there. Didn't this happen to Don Youngblood too? His friends and family must have seen that he was looking unhealthy toward the end. ???
you dont die from hormones,,you die from the shit you get addicted to on the side,,boozzzzz,,smoking,,,pain killers,, narcotics,,,that what you realy die from when abused,,the steroid is just there and get blame for it for no reason ,,hormones are healthy they will WILL extend your life,,you can be sure the fella with the rope from the playboy mention i forgot his damn name well call him sargent pepper for right now,,he is on gh he look quite good for over 80 year old,,hormones are good for you ,,testosterona gets your sex life into drive make woman happy make everyone happyh make you happy,,gh make you energetic and is best anti depresent there is shoudl be prescribed to people insted of prozac,,the reason hormones blamed for thigns is because many of the peopel who are on them are fucked up to begin with and give us bad name,,but hormones in general are good for you
gh15 approved
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you dont die from hormones,,you die from the shit you get addicted to on the side,,boozzzzz,,smoking,,,pain killers,, narcotics,,,that what you realy die from when abused,,the steroid is just there and get blame for it for no reason ,,hormones are healthy they will WILL extend your life,,you can be sure the fella with the rope from the playboy mention i forgot his damn name well call him sargent pepper for right now,,he is on gh he look quite good for over 80 year old,,hormones are good for you ,,testosterona gets your sex life into drive make woman happy make everyone happyh make you happy,,gh make you energetic and is best anti depresent there is shoudl be prescribed to people insted of prozac,,the reason hormones blamed for thigns is because many of the peopel who are on them are fucked up to begin with and give us bad name,,but hormones in general are good for you
gh15 approved
Uh, You may have it backwards there Chief.
http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-growth-hormone-aging-20110217,0,2125964.story
Suppression of human growth hormone may ward off cancer, diabetes
A study of an Ecuadorean population with a genetic mutation that shuts off receptors to HGH finds they almost never get cancer or diabetes, suggesting a downside for people taking the hormone as an anti-aging treatment.
Anyone seeking the fountain of youth should think twice before turning to growth hormone, a fast-growing trend in anti-aging fringe medicine. If conclusions from a study of an obscure population living in Ecuador prove true, less growth hormone — not more — may help prevent cancer and diabetes in old age.
The discovery, published Wednesday in the journal Science Translational Medicine, backs up earlier research showing that yeast, flies and rodents live longer — in some species, as much as 10 times longer — when they grow slowly.
"There are a lot of people giving human growth hormone to fight aging," said Dr. Nir Barzilai, a researcher at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, who was not involved in the research. "The question is, will you live longer and healthier? I think these studies suggest maybe not."
The discovery hinged on a group of extended relatives living in the Andes in Ecuador, many of whom share a genetic mutation that shuts off receptors to human growth hormone. The hormone helps regulate metabolism throughout the body and the way that cells change as they age.
The mutation, called E180, is one of several that cause Laron syndrome, a disorder that stunts growth after birth by about 50%.
The most obvious effects of the disorder are negative, said study coauthor Dr. Jaime Guevara-Aguirre of the Institute of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Reproduction in Quito, Ecuador. These include short stature — people with Laron grow to be about 3 to 4 feet tall — and high infant mortality.
But Guevara-Aguirre, who treats Laron patients, saw a positive side too: Virtually none of them got cancer or diabetes.
He eventually joined forces with study senior author Valter Longo, a USC cell biologist who researches aging. Longo's team had been looking at yeast and mice that also lacked growth genes. Both organisms were about half the normal size; the yeast lived three times longer than normal and the mice lived 40% longer.
Longo's team had found that cells from the mutant yeast and mice were protected against DNA damage. The Laron patients provided an opportunity to see if the same held true in humans.
The researchers collected health histories of 99 patients over age 10 and death statistics of 53 other Ecuadoreans with Laron who died before Guevara-Aguirre began his work in the 1980s. They also collected data on more than 1,600 unaffected relatives of the Laron patients.
There were 30 deaths in the Laron group: eight from heart disease, one from stroke and 21 from non-age-related causes, including an unusual number from convulsive disorders, accidents or alcohol-related issues.
Only one person got cancer. She did not die from it. Cancer accounted for about 20% of deaths of relatives without Laron.
None of those with Laron had diabetes, even though 21% of the Laron patients were obese. Diabetes caused 5% of relatives' deaths.
The team took serum taken from patients and unaffected relatives and added them to human cells. They found that the serum from Laron patients protected DNA from breakage that can contribute to cancer. Serum from unaffected relatives did not.
The Laron serum also promoted a kind of suicide among damaged cells. This, Longo said, might protect against cancer by killing off cells that are about to turn rogue.
"The results are about as clear as you can get," said Andrzej Bartke of the Southern Illinois University School of Medicine in Springfield, Ill., who has seen similar results in his work on aging in mice.
Experts said the study casts doubt on the use of human growth hormone injections to combat aging. Though the treatment has been shown to improve muscle mass, doctors have worried that it may raise the risk for diabetes and cancer.
Dr. Thomas Perls, a professor of medicine and geriatrics at Boston University and a critic of the growth hormone industry, said the research provided "yet more dramatic evidence that growth hormone does the opposite of what the hucksters and the anti-aging industry promote." He was not involved with the study.
In 2009, Americans spent $1.35 billion on growth hormone treatments, filling 431,000 prescriptions, according to the healthcare information and consulting company IMS Health.
Longo said the research might lead to drugs that suppress growth hormone to prevent many diseases of aging, much the way statin drugs are used to lower cholesterol and prevent cardiac disease.
The goal of such prevention wouldn't be to live longer, but to live disease-free for as long as possible, he said.
"These mice and the Laron patients don't seem to have chronic conditions," he added. "They live long lives, and then they drop dead."
eryn.brown@latimes.com
Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times
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http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/expert.q.a/04/15/human.growth.hormone.cancer/index.html
Would human growth hormone help cancer patients?
Asked by Mike Wiggins, Downs, Illinois
Do you believe it would help cancer patients to have lots of human growth hormone, which seems to be so beneficial for athletes?
Conditions Expert
Dr. Otis Brawley
Chief Medical Officer,
American Cancer Society
Expert answer
Dear Mike:
Thanks for your question. Recent data suggest that the increased levels of growth factors such as insulin-like growth hormones (or insulin) and erythropoietin, which is also in the family of growth factor and stimulates red blood cell growth, both increase growth of already-present cancers. Some of the newer cancer-fighting drugs actually work by inhibiting certain growth factors.
I know of and can find no data specifically on human growth hormone and cancer, but my assessment of the known data on other growth factors makes me worry that human growth factor would not help cancer patients and may actually be harmful.
Increased HGF leads to increased height and growth of certain bones. Dwarves have a deficiency of HGF and are treated with HGF to attain normal height. People with increased HGF secretion have abnormal growth of their jaw, hands and feet. Injections are thought to improve athletic performance by increasing lean muscle mass and are thought to decrease aging.
In high dose, it might be a promoter or stimulator of tumor growth.
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Uh, You may have it backwards there Chief.
http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-growth-hormone-aging-20110217,0,2125964.story
Suppression of human growth hormone may ward off cancer, diabetes
A study of an Ecuadorean population with a genetic mutation that shuts off receptors to HGH finds they almost never get cancer or diabetes, suggesting a downside for people taking the hormone as an anti-aging treatment.
Anyone seeking the fountain of youth should think twice before turning to growth hormone, a fast-growing trend in anti-aging fringe medicine. If conclusions from a study of an obscure population living in Ecuador prove true, less growth hormone — not more — may help prevent cancer and diabetes in old age.
The discovery, published Wednesday in the journal Science Translational Medicine, backs up earlier research showing that yeast, flies and rodents live longer — in some species, as much as 10 times longer — when they grow slowly.
"There are a lot of people giving human growth hormone to fight aging," said Dr. Nir Barzilai, a researcher at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, who was not involved in the research. "The question is, will you live longer and healthier? I think these studies suggest maybe not."
The discovery hinged on a group of extended relatives living in the Andes in Ecuador, many of whom share a genetic mutation that shuts off receptors to human growth hormone. The hormone helps regulate metabolism throughout the body and the way that cells change as they age.
The mutation, called E180, is one of several that cause Laron syndrome, a disorder that stunts growth after birth by about 50%.
The most obvious effects of the disorder are negative, said study coauthor Dr. Jaime Guevara-Aguirre of the Institute of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Reproduction in Quito, Ecuador. These include short stature — people with Laron grow to be about 3 to 4 feet tall — and high infant mortality.
But Guevara-Aguirre, who treats Laron patients, saw a positive side too: Virtually none of them got cancer or diabetes.
He eventually joined forces with study senior author Valter Longo, a USC cell biologist who researches aging. Longo's team had been looking at yeast and mice that also lacked growth genes. Both organisms were about half the normal size; the yeast lived three times longer than normal and the mice lived 40% longer.
Longo's team had found that cells from the mutant yeast and mice were protected against DNA damage. The Laron patients provided an opportunity to see if the same held true in humans.
The researchers collected health histories of 99 patients over age 10 and death statistics of 53 other Ecuadoreans with Laron who died before Guevara-Aguirre began his work in the 1980s. They also collected data on more than 1,600 unaffected relatives of the Laron patients.
There were 30 deaths in the Laron group: eight from heart disease, one from stroke and 21 from non-age-related causes, including an unusual number from convulsive disorders, accidents or alcohol-related issues.
Only one person got cancer. She did not die from it. Cancer accounted for about 20% of deaths of relatives without Laron.
None of those with Laron had diabetes, even though 21% of the Laron patients were obese. Diabetes caused 5% of relatives' deaths.
The team took serum taken from patients and unaffected relatives and added them to human cells. They found that the serum from Laron patients protected DNA from breakage that can contribute to cancer. Serum from unaffected relatives did not.
The Laron serum also promoted a kind of suicide among damaged cells. This, Longo said, might protect against cancer by killing off cells that are about to turn rogue.
"The results are about as clear as you can get," said Andrzej Bartke of the Southern Illinois University School of Medicine in Springfield, Ill., who has seen similar results in his work on aging in mice.
Experts said the study casts doubt on the use of human growth hormone injections to combat aging. Though the treatment has been shown to improve muscle mass, doctors have worried that it may raise the risk for diabetes and cancer.
Dr. Thomas Perls, a professor of medicine and geriatrics at Boston University and a critic of the growth hormone industry, said the research provided "yet more dramatic evidence that growth hormone does the opposite of what the hucksters and the anti-aging industry promote." He was not involved with the study.
In 2009, Americans spent $1.35 billion on growth hormone treatments, filling 431,000 prescriptions, according to the healthcare information and consulting company IMS Health.
Longo said the research might lead to drugs that suppress growth hormone to prevent many diseases of aging, much the way statin drugs are used to lower cholesterol and prevent cardiac disease.
The goal of such prevention wouldn't be to live longer, but to live disease-free for as long as possible, he said.
"These mice and the Laron patients don't seem to have chronic conditions," he added. "They live long lives, and then they drop dead."
eryn.brown@latimes.com
Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times
for what gh does it worth taking the risk,, gh15 belive that cancer is either you have prone to it or not,,it is genetic predisposition ,,and either you have it or not,,even if someone in your family had it you may not have it ,,it is very individual and the only worry id have is if more than 50% of your close family have caner,,that mean dad granpa brother all have caner,,or granma mother and sister all have cancer,,even then it is very individual thing,,gh is good for the bodybuilder,,and gh is good for EVERY ONE,, it is the only hormone that will put you on the rigth path for happiness no matter what shit you are in the steroid department
gh15 approved
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for what gh does it worth taking the risk,, gh15 belive that cancer is either you have prone to it or not,,it is genetic predisposition ,,and either you have it or not,,even if someone in your family had it you may not have it ,,it is very individual and the only worry id have is if more than 50% of your close family have caner,,that mean dad granpa brother all have caner,,or granma mother and sister all have cancer,,even then it is very individual thing,,gh is good for the bodybuilder,,and gh is good for EVERY ONE,, it is the only hormone that will put you on the rigth path for happiness no matter what shit you are in the steroid department
gh15 approved
Caner.
CANER.
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Why have I consistently been the smallest guy at my gym even tho I've religiously worked out for 3 years, lifted heavy, eat proteins and what not. :'(
If you do things right you will grow.
You obviously arn't.
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There was this guy at my gym about 5'10" weighing 280 or so. I spoke to him a lot...guy's face was always beet red and round as a pumpkin. I heard him telling a guy next to me that he was on 2000 mg of sustanon a week along with 600 mg of tren and took 7 or 8 anadrols a day, along with about 10iu's of growth a day. I heard the guy ask him if he ever got his lipids checked. He said, "Nah, I don't worry about that shit. That's for wusses." Heard today he had a heart attack and died..age 31. I'm sure the juice had nothing to do with it though. ;)
Most guys like this lie about getting blood work. Usually they tell everyone how their doctor checks them for everything. Of course most have no health insurance at all and are full of shit.
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Didn't D'arezzo have a heart attack as well? I don't remember the details but wasn't it right before a contest? :-[
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=366761.0;attach=402609;image)
How come? I mean he looks absolutely healthy there.
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???
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373715;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373718;image)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373719;image)
Just playing TA :D
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I find from my own experiences and bloodwork that my cholesterol values in the blood don't change negatively until I use over a certain amount, This amount exceeds the HRT amount I now use. I believe that heart disease and steroid users is definitely down to the cholesterol reaction of the individual when taking steroids. Years of high dosages having a negative impact on the cholesterol especially the good cholesterol definitely accelerates the hardening of the arteries in bodybuilders.
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fat+bloat+high BP= heart attack
steroids=hormones
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fat+bloat+high BP= heart attack
steroids=hormones
muscle or fat: huge over 50 = heart attack. :'(
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Some people can handle larger amounts with out the sides. I was never one of them. As far as tren goes that is the one drugs that I would say no one should EVER use unless you compete and even then 8 weeks out is plenty.
i guess im one of them lol.. on 2.4g total, zero sides except estro sides start when no ai for 1 week. did tren on my first cycle and again zero sides except night sweats.. only real side i got was from 100mg dbol ed..nosebleeds lol
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muscle or fat: huge over 50 = heart attack. :'(
that guys fat ass looks like hes; about to die from just rubbin one out
jeezus
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that guys fat ass looks like hes; about to die from just rubbin one out
jeezus
lol...a walking heart attack. :-X
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Seeing the pic in black and white has even more impact. I guess it's all illusion but just seeing it makes me want to call the guy up or send him an e-mail and say go see a doc or hit up the clinic and get your blood work checked. It's a shame these folks can't see this for themselves.
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I'm sure the guy knew the risks; he lived the dream on own terms.
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I don't get these people, I have atm a little too much heartburn and its bothering me since its "on" all the time.
I cannot ignore that, I need to see a doctor just in case that I might have a problem with my heart.
I don't get people that pump themself full with drugs with all kinda risk etc attached and can just ignore all the
possible health risks.
Incredible to me
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It's called dedication
:D
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I don't get these people, I have atm a little too much heartburn and its bothering me since its "on" all the time.
I cannot ignore that, I need to see a doctor just in case that I might have a problem with my heart.
I don't get people that pump themself full with drugs with all kinda risk etc attached and can just ignore all the
possible health risks.
Incredible to me
It is not that hard to understand. We all take risks every day and some of us have a higher risk/reward tolerance than others. Is skydiving something you would do? What about bungy jumping? Many foreigners do not understand the American preoccupation with owning guns; how many people are killed by handguns in the U.S. every year? I am sure there are NRA members on getbig. Have you ever done recreational drugs? Rode in a car without a seatbelt? The list is endless.
I am not saying getting huge and risking your life for the sake of doing so make sense, but it is not unlike many other risks we all engage in. ::)
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It is not that hard to understand. We all take risks every day and some of us have a higher risk/reward tolerance than others. Is skydiving something you would do? What about bungy jumping? Many foreigners do not understand the American preoccupation with owning guns; how many people are killed by handguns in the U.S. every year? I am sure there are NRA members on getbig. Have you ever done recreational drugs? Rode in a car without a seatbelt? The list is endless.
I am not saying getting huge and risking your life for the sake of doing so make sense, but it is not unlike many other risks we all engage in. ::)
What are the chances of me dying if I ride around my property at 8 mph without a seatbelt? ???
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muscle or fat: huge over 50 = heart attack. :'(
He had shitty genetics to begin with...dumbass. Juice yourself up and look like shit, just to die...WTH.
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It is not that hard to understand. We all take risks every day and some of us have a higher risk/reward tolerance than others. Is skydiving something you would do? What about bungy jumping? Many foreigners do not understand the American preoccupation with owning guns; how many people are killed by handguns in the U.S. every year? I am sure there are NRA members on getbig. Have you ever done recreational drugs? Rode in a car without a seatbelt? The list is endless.
I am not saying getting huge and risking your life for the sake of doing so make sense, but it is not unlike many other risks we all engage in. ::)
Bay you cannot compare skydiving with the usage of drugs - of course we are all gamble with our health - hell eating a burger could kill you these days depending on were you buy it from.
As much as everybody is trying to deny it we all know for a fact that it CANNOT be a good idea to abuse a foreign chemical substance, you don't need to be a mential giant to understand
that taking I dunno insulin unless you are a diabetic cannot by any way or form be good for you.
Dont get me wrong I understand you and half way agree with you, but I personaly find it incredible stupid to abuse chemical substances like some of these guys do, only for the reason to
look different, and mind you its not just the odd weirdo its being used widely around the world.
I don't know I have a hard time putting it into words
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Bay you cannot compare skydiving with the usage of drugs - of course we are all gamble with our health - hell eating a burger could kill you these days depending on were you buy it from.
As much as everybody is trying to deny it we all know for a fact that it CANNOT be a good idea to abuse a foreign chemical substance, you don't need to be a mential giant to understand
that taking I dunno insulin unless you are a diabetic cannot by any way or form be good for you.
Dont get me wrong I understand you and half way agree with you, but I personaly find it incredible stupid to abuse chemical substances like some of these guys do, only for the reason to
look different, and mind you its not just the odd weirdo its being used widely around the world.
I don't know I have a hard time putting it into words
Have you noticed that ALL of Bay`s love interests look like they are about to fall over and die at any moment. Perhaps he likes the near-death element of it all. A sort of homosexual pre-Necrophilia element to it all. Its really strange.
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Maybe bodybuilders (I mean guys just hitting the gym, not pros) have some mental disorder to begin with ???
They don't even plan to compete in their chosen sport, have no genetics to look decent but still take massive amounts of medicines to grow... How many guys that jog as their hobby, you hear taking medicines in hope to run longer distances? None! Then everybody here probably knows many guys at the gym doing whatever drugs...
And it can't be just that "there is no bodybuilding without drugs". As well we could say there is no running without drugs; you will never run as long as fast as real athletes without drugs.
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Maybe bodybuilders (I mean guys just hitting the gym, not pros) have some mental disorder to begin with ???
I think all of us experiened something as a child that made us feel small and weak, causing us to think today that it is so "important" to have larger muscles
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Bay you cannot compare skydiving with the usage of drugs - of course we are all gamble with our health - hell eating a burger could kill you these days depending on were you buy it from.
As much as everybody is trying to deny it we all know for a fact that it CANNOT be a good idea to abuse a foreign chemical substance, you don't need to be a mential giant to understand
that taking I dunno insulin unless you are a diabetic cannot by any way or form be good for you.
Dont get me wrong I understand you and half way agree with you, but I personaly find it incredible stupid to abuse chemical substances like some of these guys do, only for the reason to
look different, and mind you its not just the odd weirdo its being used widely around the world.
I don't know I have a hard time putting it into words
I think you are having a hard time putting it into words because you know it's not that different from the risks I articulated previously. Do you own a handgun? Many Americans do? Do they need to? No. Do you have any friends who ride motorcycles? That is a very risky activity... Probably more risky than bodybuilding--with the body count to prove it. As for taking risks to look different, how many people get body piercings or tattoos in venues that aren't exactly certified by the health department.? To me, those risks make no sense but many people engage in them. With this in mind, I think the choice to take risks in bodybuilding is just as understandable. Sensible? No. Understandable? Yes.
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"there is something about carrying around excess weight that contributes to heart disease independent of risk factors such as high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol and arterial disease."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20110216/hl_hsn/obesityaloneraisesriskoffatalheartattackstudyfinds
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I think you are having a hard time putting it into words because you know it's not that different from the risks I articulated previously. Do you own a handgun? Many Americans do? Do they need to? No. Do you have any friends who ride motorcycles? That is a very risky activity... Probably more risky than bodybuilding--with the body count to prove it. As for taking risks to look different, how many people get body piercings or tattoos in venues that aren't exactly certified by the health department.? To me, those risks make no sense but many people engage in them. With this in mind, I think the choice to take risks in bodybuilding is just as understandable. Sensible? No. Understandable? Yes.
What happens if you own a gun but don`t have any bullets nor do you plan on purchasing any? ???
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epic death via rubbin one out.
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muscle or fat: huge over 50 = heart attack. :'(
Where the hell do you find these pics? Is that another one of the guy who died? Unreal how bad this guy looks. If you look past his huge jowls and distended stomach, other than his shoulders he's actually a pretty small guy even while on and I would guess it's a lot of stuff.
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Steroids are just plain fucking stupid for anyone to use.
I agree with what the f@g just said..
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5-10, 210 lbs, 35% bf
BP 130/64
Total cholesterol: 90
Not taking anything now (except cold medicine), probably can't jog 2 miles, but I'm happy as hell.
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5-10, 210 lbs, 35% bf
BP 130/64
Total cholesterol: 90
Not taking anything now (except cold medicine), probably can't jog 2 miles, but I'm happy as hell.
:o
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I've been prioritizing cardio lately to stay healthy
Make sure to pound some whores daily this will help...
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Never have in my life. I still don`t understand what the appeal is. A Natural physique, in my opinion, simply looks better and can be achieved at no detriment to your health. I don`t like the "rounded" look that a drugged physique provides.
A Natural physique is more "straight-edged" and "razor-like", not rounded.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)
We know TA on TA world you look better than everyone ::)
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Never have in my life. I still don`t understand what the appeal is. A Natural physique, in my opinion, simply looks better and can be achieved at no detriment to your health. I don`t like the "rounded" look that a drugged physique provides.
A Natural physique is more "straight-edged" and "razor-like", not rounded.
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=329841.0;attach=373712;image)
Then why were you all over the steroid board a few years ago with one of your gimmicks talking about homebrewing and how much you enjoy making your own gear? Say hi to Skip Lacour for me.
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Then why were you all over the steroid board a few years ago with one of your gimmicks talking about homebrewing and how much you enjoy making your own gear? Say hi to Skip Lacour for me.
I wasn`t. This is a phantasm you created in your own mind. I have to ask, why did you bother to do so? Clearly I don`t bother you that much, or do I....
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Then why were you all over the steroid board a few years ago with one of your gimmicks talking about homebrewing and how much you enjoy making your own gear? Say hi to Skip Lacour for me.
Because he can't help but lie about himself to boost his own ego. Just like the lie about that pic he has been posting that he claims is him.
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Because he can't help but lie about himself to boost his own ego. Just like the lie about that pic he has been posting that he claims is him.
::)
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muscle or fat: huge over 50 = heart attack.
DY at 5'9" and 295lbs. :-\
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Very intelligent rebuttal considering all you have to do settle this dispute is take the same pic and show your face.
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muscle or fat: huge over 50 = heart attack.
DY at 5'9" and 295lbs. :-\
Blocked arteries at any age and weight equals life threatening situation.
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I wasn`t. This is a phantasm you created in your own mind. I have to ask, why did you bother to do so? Clearly I don`t bother you that much, or do I....
Nah you don't bother me in the least, I just find it odd why you would deny it when several mods say otherwise. So that's the extent of my care. What people do in their own time with their physiques is up to them, but there's really no reason to deny using unless you have some weird fucked up self image.
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Nah you don't bother me in the least, I just find it odd why you would deny it when several mods say otherwise. So that's the extent of my care. What people do in their own time with their physiques is up to them, but there's really no reason to deny using unless you have some weird fucked up self image.
He's admitted using to other people on here, of course unless they are all lying to me.
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Nah you don't bother me in the least, I just find it odd why you would deny it when several mods say otherwise. So that's the extent of my care. What people do in their own time with their physiques is up to them, but there's really no reason to deny using unless you have some weird fucked up self image.
Prove it and I will delete my account.
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He's admitted using to other people on here, of course unless they are all lying to me.
Thats not possible since I have never used a thing. As I said to Emmortal, prove it and I will gladly have Ron delete my account.
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Blocked arteries at any age and weight equals life threatening situation.
Doesn't matter how good you look or how much muscle you have. No one 5'9" should weigh 295. :-[
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Doesn't matter how good you look or how much muscle you have. No one 5'9" should weigh 295. :-[
I agree.
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I agree.
Why did you not inform King Kamali of this when he was pushing 300 lbs? ???
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Why did you not inform King Kamali of this when he was pushing 300 lbs? ???
I did.
Why don't you post a recent pic of yourself in the same exact pose and prove me wrong and if you prove it I'll delete my account.
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It is not that hard to understand. We all take risks every day and some of us have a higher risk/reward tolerance than others. Is skydiving something you would do? What about bungy jumping? Many foreigners do not understand the American preoccupation with owning guns; how many people are killed by handguns in the U.S. every year? I am sure there are NRA members on getbig. Have you ever done recreational drugs? Rode in a car without a seatbelt? The list is endless.
I am not saying getting huge and risking your life for the sake of doing so make sense, but it is not unlike many other risks we all engage in. ::)
obviously, what bay is trying to tell us here is that he is an avid practioner of man to man bareback intercourse
hope this helps
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I agree.
Especially over 45. :-[
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I did.
Why don't you post a recent pic of yourself in the same exact pose and prove me wrong and if you prove it I'll delete my account.
No. I don`t have to do that because any idiot should know that is clearly me.
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I did.
Why don't you post a recent pic of yourself in the same exact pose and prove me wrong and if you prove it I'll delete my account.
Has he done anything to mitigate this or is he overweight still?
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No. I don`t have to do that because any idiot should know that is clearly me.
Of course you don't have to, I just thought you might like to clear the air and take up the challenge as I am not the only one here who believes this is not you. I suspect that you are not anywhere near the shape you used to be in.
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Has he done anything to mitigate this or is he overweight still?
I have no idea on his current progress.
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muscle or fat: huge over 50 = heart attack.
DY at 5'9" and 295lbs. :-\
damn! looka t the hands, almost as big as his head!
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damn! looka t the hands, almost as big as his head!
HGH works! :o
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Of course you don't have to, I just thought you might like to clear the air and take up the challenge as I am not the only one here who believes this is not you. I suspect that you are not anywhere near the shape you used to be in.
I am 169 lbs at the moment. About 5 lbs off which is a lot considering I don`t weigh that much.
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Nothing impressive about a drug habit. I have more respect for the fatbody on the stairmaster sweatin to the oldies. Once drugs are introduced, it's just a matter of how much someone is willing to take. For what, muscle gain? Idiotic.
People need to understand...natural bbing isn't for everyone. Be happy you workout and maximize your gains. You get more respect outside of getbig, than this clown ever would. Imagine being 50 and dodging steroid questions...oh brother.
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adonis please comment and discuss your viewpoints on the current play by Cormac McCarthy "The Sunset Limited" and its take on a classic debate: existential nihilism vs. organized religion
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Very intelligent rebuttal considering all you have to do settle this dispute is take the same pic and show your face.
That is TA, same muscle bellies, same biceps, same, forearms, same abs...I remember when he posted the pics, it's him....
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Guys in the gym with permanently beet-red faces need interventions..
Tell them to stop staring at the teenage girls with "Juicy" written across the ass cheeks of their short shorts....
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I don't gotta worry about that because I plan on staying below 160 pounds from now on.
Have fun with all that bulking shit and chemically dependant size though fellas.
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Nothing impressive about a drug habit. I have more respect for the fatbody on the stairmaster sweatin to the oldies. Once drugs are introduced, it's just a matter of how much someone is willing to take. For what, muscle gain? Idiotic.
People need to understand...natural bbing isn't for everyone. Be happy you workout and maximize your gains. You get more respect outside of getbig, than this clown ever would. Imagine being 50 and dodging steroid questions...oh brother.
Nobody wants to listen to you, you tramp
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Nothing impressive about a drug habit. I have more respect for the fatbody on the stairmaster sweatin to the oldies. Once drugs are introduced, it's just a matter of how much someone is willing to take. For what, muscle gain? Idiotic.
People need to understand...natural bbing isn't for everyone. Be happy you workout and maximize your gains. You get more respect outside of getbig, than this clown ever would. Imagine being 50 and dodging steroid questions...oh brother.
lol good one
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Doesn't matter how good you look or how much muscle you have. No one 5'9" should weigh 295. :-[
Is anyone else struck by how red Don’s face is in this pic? Sure, guys often get the “red head” look when training, but this is pretty extreme. You are correct: 5’9” + 295lbs + over 50 = dead. Bah!
Doom disapproves.
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Is anyone else struck by how red Don’s face is in this pic? Sure, guys often get the “red head” look when training, but this is pretty extreme. You are correct: 5’9” + 295lbs + over 50 = dead. Bah!
Doom disapproves.
I got a heart attack just from watching this pic.
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Imagine being 50 and dodging steroid questions...oh brother.
lol
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lol
lmfao!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Nothing impressive about a drug habit. I have more respect for the fatbody on the stairmaster sweatin to the oldies. Once drugs are introduced, it's just a matter of how much someone is willing to take. For what, muscle gain? Idiotic.
People need to understand...natural bbing isn't for everyone. Be happy you workout and maximize your gains. You get more respect outside of getbig, than this clown ever would. Imagine being 50 and dodging steroid questions...oh brother.
Welcome to Major League Baseball (and wrestling, and the NFL, and the Olympics, and . . . ::)
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I got a heart attack just from watching this pic.
Warning: if you turn this red during workouts strop training and seek medical attention asap! :-[
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Warning: if you turn this red during workouts strop training and seek medical attention asap! :-[
Please tell me that's photoshopped.
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Warning: if you turn this red during workouts strop training and seek medical attention asap! :-[
Too much niacin intake.
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Did anyone give him a proper burial?
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Did anyone give him a proper burial?
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
No, they threw him in the woods out behind his fucking house.
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No, they threw him in the woods out behind his fucking house.
Well, I guess in a good way all that bloated flesh won't go to waste with the animals
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Please tell me that's photoshopped.
It's not. See the real, full, image above. :-[
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No, they threw him in the woods out behind his fucking house.
They do that in Thailand =)
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They do that in Thailand =)
They also say having a female baby is like having a toilet in the front of your house.
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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To whomever thought Adonis needed "juice" to be 165 ripped, or whatever. LMAO
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It's not. See the real, full, image above. :-[
FUK ME!! There had to be signs. I guess that would have been one of them. He couldn't have felt all that great either, shame.
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Please tell me that's photoshopped.
actually i think it IS photoshopped...not so difficult to do
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I remember Chad saying Don Youngblood was on narcotics due to Synthol causing so much pain. His death was narcotics related if I remember correctly?
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They do that in Thailand =)
Actually - that's not far off what they do with the bodies of deaths resulting from suicide.
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wow no wonder youngblood is dead with a face like that. why didnt someone told him to go to doctor
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Of course you don't have to, I just thought you might like to clear the air and take up the challenge as I am not the only one here who believes this is not you. I suspect that you are not anywhere near the shape you used to be in.
i'd bet my account he's not.
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the apotheosis... then the fall :'(
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I remember Chad saying Don Youngblood was on narcotics due to Synthol causing so much pain. His death was narcotics related if I remember correctly?
Hey Van, funny you mention this as I remember reading on another forum back when that Don liked to party and was into pain meds. The guy who posted this was a long time poster and said he knew Don. I was going to mention this but decided not to for various reasons until now.
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wow no wonder youngblood is dead with a face like that. why didnt someone told him to go to doctor
Perhaps he was afraid of needles?
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the apotheosis... then the fall :'(
Absolutely disgusting and revolting.
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i'd bet my account he's not.
I bet him mine to post pics and he declined so you're correct on that one.
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Hey Van, funny you mention this as I remember reading on another forum back when that Don liked to party and was into pain meds. The guy who posted this was a long time poster and said he knew Don. I was going to mention this but decided not to for various reasons until now.
I remember Chad said a lot of guys are in constant pain from Synthol 'collecting in your joints', or some shit. I seem to remember this being in connection with Don passing.
Guys do narcotic pain killers because they like being high (who doesn't), that's my opinion on the matter. At least most of the time, especially when unprescribed.
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the apotheosis... then the fall :'(
what a mess haha