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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2011, 08:13:26 PM »
Who gives a shit?  No one (on a bodybuilding board) wants to look at that physique.  Nothing personal but that is the truth. If he is proud of it great... but this is the wrong venue to try to impress people looking like that.  :-[
No one wants to look at you save for a few old gay scaly-skinned snaggle-toothed piggy bears.  I know thats the type you prefer anyways so this is clearly not an insult.

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2011, 08:33:58 PM »
This is what natural muscle looks like u steroid using fuks.  >:(

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« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2011, 08:36:35 PM »
This is what natural muscle looks like u steroid using fuks.  >:(
no dude this is what natural muscle looks like

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2011, 08:37:54 PM »
Cardio will not "make" you healthy. Only what you eat can do that. There are plenty of people out there that run and still get blocked arteries. Look at Jim Fixx.

Yeah but running most likely prolonged his life.  People don't realize that before he started running Fixx was a bigtime smoker and had a terrible diet.

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2011, 08:39:51 PM »
no dude this is what natural muscle looks like

Why have I consistently been the smallest guy at my gym even tho I've religiously worked out for 3 years, lifted heavy, eat proteins and what not.  :'(

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« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2011, 08:44:25 PM »
Why have I consistently been the smallest guy at my gym even tho I've religiously worked out for 3 years, lifted heavy, eat proteins and what not.  :'(
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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2011, 08:54:08 PM »
genetics

Yup its true. I'm probably the 1st member of my family chain who is not obese. None of them ever worked out. When I eat more it just stores in my stomach as fat.

I curl the 30lb dumbbells like guys with 3 times the muscle and bench 160lbs for reps even tho I only weigh 140 yet I cant get the muscle. Guess I'll just be a skinnyfat bitch forever.  :-[

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2011, 09:03:12 PM »
Yeah but running most likely prolonged his life.  People don't realize that before he started running Fixx was a bigtime smoker and had a terrible diet.

I doubt it. I mean why would it? We could also argue that with all the blockages he had he wore his heart out sooner by making it work way harder to pump blood thru clogged arteries, after all he did die while running.

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2011, 09:03:49 PM »
Why have I consistently been the smallest guy at my gym even tho I've religiously worked out for 3 years, lifted heavy, eat proteins and what not.  :'(

Maybe because they are using and you're not?

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2011, 09:05:25 PM »
Yup its true. I'm probably the 1st member of my family chain who is not obese. None of them ever worked out. When I eat more it just stores in my stomach as fat.

I curl the 30lb dumbbells like guys with 3 times the muscle and bench 160lbs for reps even tho I only weigh 140 yet I cant get the muscle. Guess I'll just be a skinnyfat bitch forever.  :-[


you bitch alot about 'being small' 'being natural' and I weigh this and that

whats your point - you need to prove somethg to 'steroid using fcks' as yuou stated, that ur enlightened by this, that 11th grade is so much better without joose


what input to you hvae other than to complainabout ;not taking shit;

its gettn weak brah, you need to just come clean and tell us your warcraft days logged on and earn soem respect ;D

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2011, 09:07:17 PM »
you bitch alot about 'being small' 'being natural' and I weigh this and that

whats your point - you need to prove somethg to 'steroid using fcks' as yuou stated, that ur enlightened by this, that 11th grade is so much better without joose


what input to you hvae other than to complainabout ;not taking shit;

its gettn weak brah, you need to just come clean and tell us your warcraft days logged on and earn soem respect ;D

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2011, 09:11:42 PM »
Yeah that was him. He wasn't a friend... just a gym acquaintance, someone I saw training every now and then.  How do you tell someone they look unhealthy--or worse--like they are headed for the grave?  Maybe he knew?  Maybe he didn't care?  Maybe he thought it was inevitable?  We didn't have a rapport such that I felt I could go there.  Didn't this happen to Don Youngblood too?   His friends and family must have seen that he was looking unhealthy toward the end. ???

you dont die from hormones,,you die from the shit you get addicted to on the side,,boozzzzz,,smoking,,,pain killers,, narcotics,,,that what you realy die from when abused,,the steroid is just there and get blame for it for no reason ,,hormones are healthy they will WILL extend your life,,you can be sure the fella with the rope from the playboy mention i forgot his damn name well call him sargent pepper for right now,,he is on gh he look quite good for over 80 year old,,hormones are good for you ,,testosterona gets your sex life into drive make woman happy make everyone happyh make you happy,,gh make you energetic and is best anti depresent there is shoudl be prescribed to people insted of prozac,,the reason hormones blamed for thigns is because many of the peopel who are on them are fucked up to begin with and give us bad name,,but hormones in general are good for you


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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2011, 09:19:32 PM »
you dont die from hormones,,you die from the shit you get addicted to on the side,,boozzzzz,,smoking,,,pain killers,, narcotics,,,that what you realy die from when abused,,the steroid is just there and get blame for it for no reason ,,hormones are healthy they will WILL extend your life,,you can be sure the fella with the rope from the playboy mention i forgot his damn name well call him sargent pepper for right now,,he is on gh he look quite good for over 80 year old,,hormones are good for you ,,testosterona gets your sex life into drive make woman happy make everyone happyh make you happy,,gh make you energetic and is best anti depresent there is shoudl be prescribed to people insted of prozac,,the reason hormones blamed for thigns is because many of the peopel who are on them are fucked up to begin with and give us bad name,,but hormones in general are good for you


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Uh, You may have it backwards there Chief.

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-growth-hormone-aging-20110217,0,2125964.story

Suppression of human growth hormone may ward off cancer, diabetes
A study of an Ecuadorean population with a genetic mutation that shuts off receptors to HGH finds they almost never get cancer or diabetes, suggesting a downside for people taking the hormone as an anti-aging treatment.

Anyone seeking the fountain of youth should think twice before turning to growth hormone, a fast-growing trend in anti-aging fringe medicine. If conclusions from a study of an obscure population living in Ecuador prove true, less growth hormone — not more — may help prevent cancer and diabetes in old age.

The discovery, published Wednesday in the journal Science Translational Medicine, backs up earlier research showing that yeast, flies and rodents live longer — in some species, as much as 10 times longer — when they grow slowly.

"There are a lot of people giving human growth hormone to fight aging," said Dr. Nir Barzilai, a researcher at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, who was not involved in the research. "The question is, will you live longer and healthier? I think these studies suggest maybe not."

The discovery hinged on a group of extended relatives living in the Andes in Ecuador, many of whom share a genetic mutation that shuts off receptors to human growth hormone. The hormone helps regulate metabolism throughout the body and the way that cells change as they age.

The mutation, called E180, is one of several that cause Laron syndrome, a disorder that stunts growth after birth by about 50%.

The most obvious effects of the disorder are negative, said study coauthor Dr. Jaime Guevara-Aguirre of the Institute of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Reproduction in Quito, Ecuador. These include short stature — people with Laron grow to be about 3 to 4 feet tall — and high infant mortality.

But Guevara-Aguirre, who treats Laron patients, saw a positive side too: Virtually none of them got cancer or diabetes.

He eventually joined forces with study senior author Valter Longo, a USC cell biologist who researches aging. Longo's team had been looking at yeast and mice that also lacked growth genes. Both organisms were about half the normal size; the yeast lived three times longer than normal and the mice lived 40% longer.

Longo's team had found that cells from the mutant yeast and mice were protected against DNA damage. The Laron patients provided an opportunity to see if the same held true in humans.

The researchers collected health histories of 99 patients over age 10 and death statistics of 53 other Ecuadoreans with Laron who died before Guevara-Aguirre began his work in the 1980s. They also collected data on more than 1,600 unaffected relatives of the Laron patients.

There were 30 deaths in the Laron group: eight from heart disease, one from stroke and 21 from non-age-related causes, including an unusual number from convulsive disorders, accidents or alcohol-related issues.

Only one person got cancer. She did not die from it. Cancer accounted for about 20% of deaths of relatives without Laron.

None of those with Laron had diabetes, even though 21% of the Laron patients were obese. Diabetes caused 5% of relatives' deaths.

The team took serum taken from patients and unaffected relatives and added them to human cells. They found that the serum from Laron patients protected DNA from breakage that can contribute to cancer. Serum from unaffected relatives did not.

The Laron serum also promoted a kind of suicide among damaged cells. This, Longo said, might protect against cancer by killing off cells that are about to turn rogue.

"The results are about as clear as you can get," said Andrzej Bartke of the Southern Illinois University School of Medicine in Springfield, Ill., who has seen similar results in his work on aging in mice.

Experts said the study casts doubt on the use of human growth hormone injections to combat aging. Though the treatment has been shown to improve muscle mass, doctors have worried that it may raise the risk for diabetes and cancer.

Dr. Thomas Perls, a professor of medicine and geriatrics at Boston University and a critic of the growth hormone industry, said the research provided "yet more dramatic evidence that growth hormone does the opposite of what the hucksters and the anti-aging industry promote." He was not involved with the study.

In 2009, Americans spent $1.35 billion on growth hormone treatments, filling 431,000 prescriptions, according to the healthcare information and consulting company IMS Health.

Longo said the research might lead to drugs that suppress growth hormone to prevent many diseases of aging, much the way statin drugs are used to lower cholesterol and prevent cardiac disease.

The goal of such prevention wouldn't be to live longer, but to live disease-free for as long as possible, he said.

"These mice and the Laron patients don't seem to have chronic conditions," he added. "They live long lives, and then they drop dead."

eryn.brown@latimes.com
Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2011, 09:25:09 PM »
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/expert.q.a/04/15/human.growth.hormone.cancer/index.html

Would human growth hormone help cancer patients?
Asked by Mike Wiggins, Downs, Illinois

Do you believe it would help cancer patients to have lots of human growth hormone, which seems to be so beneficial for athletes?



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Dear Mike:

Thanks for your question. Recent data suggest that the increased levels of growth factors such as insulin-like growth hormones (or insulin) and erythropoietin, which is also in the family of growth factor and stimulates red blood cell growth, both increase growth of already-present cancers. Some of the newer cancer-fighting drugs actually work by inhibiting certain growth factors.

I know of and can find no data specifically on human growth hormone and cancer, but my assessment of the known data on other growth factors makes me worry that human growth factor would not help cancer patients and may actually be harmful.

Increased HGF leads to increased height and growth of certain bones. Dwarves have a deficiency of HGF and are treated with HGF to attain normal height. People with increased HGF secretion have abnormal growth of their jaw, hands and feet. Injections are thought to improve athletic performance by increasing lean muscle mass and are thought to decrease aging.

In high dose, it might be a promoter or stimulator of tumor growth.

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #64 on: February 16, 2011, 09:25:36 PM »
Uh, You may have it backwards there Chief.

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-growth-hormone-aging-20110217,0,2125964.story

Suppression of human growth hormone may ward off cancer, diabetes
A study of an Ecuadorean population with a genetic mutation that shuts off receptors to HGH finds they almost never get cancer or diabetes, suggesting a downside for people taking the hormone as an anti-aging treatment.

Anyone seeking the fountain of youth should think twice before turning to growth hormone, a fast-growing trend in anti-aging fringe medicine. If conclusions from a study of an obscure population living in Ecuador prove true, less growth hormone — not more — may help prevent cancer and diabetes in old age.

The discovery, published Wednesday in the journal Science Translational Medicine, backs up earlier research showing that yeast, flies and rodents live longer — in some species, as much as 10 times longer — when they grow slowly.

"There are a lot of people giving human growth hormone to fight aging," said Dr. Nir Barzilai, a researcher at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine in New York, who was not involved in the research. "The question is, will you live longer and healthier? I think these studies suggest maybe not."

The discovery hinged on a group of extended relatives living in the Andes in Ecuador, many of whom share a genetic mutation that shuts off receptors to human growth hormone. The hormone helps regulate metabolism throughout the body and the way that cells change as they age.

The mutation, called E180, is one of several that cause Laron syndrome, a disorder that stunts growth after birth by about 50%.

The most obvious effects of the disorder are negative, said study coauthor Dr. Jaime Guevara-Aguirre of the Institute of Endocrinology, Metabolism and Reproduction in Quito, Ecuador. These include short stature — people with Laron grow to be about 3 to 4 feet tall — and high infant mortality.

But Guevara-Aguirre, who treats Laron patients, saw a positive side too: Virtually none of them got cancer or diabetes.

He eventually joined forces with study senior author Valter Longo, a USC cell biologist who researches aging. Longo's team had been looking at yeast and mice that also lacked growth genes. Both organisms were about half the normal size; the yeast lived three times longer than normal and the mice lived 40% longer.

Longo's team had found that cells from the mutant yeast and mice were protected against DNA damage. The Laron patients provided an opportunity to see if the same held true in humans.

The researchers collected health histories of 99 patients over age 10 and death statistics of 53 other Ecuadoreans with Laron who died before Guevara-Aguirre began his work in the 1980s. They also collected data on more than 1,600 unaffected relatives of the Laron patients.

There were 30 deaths in the Laron group: eight from heart disease, one from stroke and 21 from non-age-related causes, including an unusual number from convulsive disorders, accidents or alcohol-related issues.

Only one person got cancer. She did not die from it. Cancer accounted for about 20% of deaths of relatives without Laron.

None of those with Laron had diabetes, even though 21% of the Laron patients were obese. Diabetes caused 5% of relatives' deaths.

The team took serum taken from patients and unaffected relatives and added them to human cells. They found that the serum from Laron patients protected DNA from breakage that can contribute to cancer. Serum from unaffected relatives did not.

The Laron serum also promoted a kind of suicide among damaged cells. This, Longo said, might protect against cancer by killing off cells that are about to turn rogue.

"The results are about as clear as you can get," said Andrzej Bartke of the Southern Illinois University School of Medicine in Springfield, Ill., who has seen similar results in his work on aging in mice.

Experts said the study casts doubt on the use of human growth hormone injections to combat aging. Though the treatment has been shown to improve muscle mass, doctors have worried that it may raise the risk for diabetes and cancer.

Dr. Thomas Perls, a professor of medicine and geriatrics at Boston University and a critic of the growth hormone industry, said the research provided "yet more dramatic evidence that growth hormone does the opposite of what the hucksters and the anti-aging industry promote." He was not involved with the study.

In 2009, Americans spent $1.35 billion on growth hormone treatments, filling 431,000 prescriptions, according to the healthcare information and consulting company IMS Health.

Longo said the research might lead to drugs that suppress growth hormone to prevent many diseases of aging, much the way statin drugs are used to lower cholesterol and prevent cardiac disease.

The goal of such prevention wouldn't be to live longer, but to live disease-free for as long as possible, he said.

"These mice and the Laron patients don't seem to have chronic conditions," he added. "They live long lives, and then they drop dead."

eryn.brown@latimes.com
Copyright © 2011, Los Angeles Times

for what gh does it worth taking the risk,, gh15 belive that cancer is either you have prone to it or not,,it is genetic predisposition ,,and either you have it or not,,even if someone in your family had it you may not have it ,,it is very individual and the only worry id have is if more than 50% of your close family have caner,,that mean  dad granpa brother all have caner,,or granma mother and sister all have cancer,,even then it is very individual thing,,gh is good for the bodybuilder,,and gh is good for EVERY ONE,, it is the only hormone that will put you on the rigth path for happiness no matter what shit you are in the steroid department

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #65 on: February 16, 2011, 09:28:17 PM »
for what gh does it worth taking the risk,, gh15 belive that cancer is either you have prone to it or not,,it is genetic predisposition ,,and either you have it or not,,even if someone in your family had it you may not have it ,,it is very individual and the only worry id have is if more than 50% of your close family have caner,,that mean  dad granpa brother all have caner,,or granma mother and sister all have cancer,,even then it is very individual thing,,gh is good for the bodybuilder,,and gh is good for EVERY ONE,, it is the only hormone that will put you on the rigth path for happiness no matter what shit you are in the steroid department

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #66 on: February 16, 2011, 10:44:52 PM »
Why have I consistently been the smallest guy at my gym even tho I've religiously worked out for 3 years, lifted heavy, eat proteins and what not.  :'(

If you do things right you will grow.

You obviously arn't.

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #67 on: February 16, 2011, 10:51:09 PM »
There was this guy at my gym about 5'10" weighing 280 or so. I spoke to him a lot...guy's face was always beet red and round as a pumpkin. I heard him telling a guy next to me that he was on 2000 mg of sustanon a week along with 600 mg of tren and took 7 or 8 anadrols a day, along with about 10iu's of growth a day. I heard the guy ask him if he ever got his lipids checked. He said, "Nah, I don't worry about that shit. That's for wusses." Heard today he had a heart attack and died..age 31. I'm sure the juice had nothing to do with it though.  ;)

Most guys like this lie about getting blood work. Usually they tell everyone how their doctor checks them for everything. Of course most have no health insurance at all and are full of shit.

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #68 on: February 16, 2011, 10:54:48 PM »
Didn't D'arezzo have a heart attack as well?  I don't remember the details but wasn't it right before a contest?  :-[


How come? I mean he looks absolutely healthy there.

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #70 on: February 17, 2011, 03:29:50 AM »
I find from my own experiences and bloodwork that my cholesterol values in the blood don't change negatively until I use over a certain amount, This amount exceeds the HRT amount I now use. I believe that heart disease and steroid users is definitely down to the cholesterol reaction of the individual when taking steroids. Years of high dosages having a negative impact on the cholesterol especially the good cholesterol definitely accelerates the hardening of the arteries in bodybuilders.

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #71 on: February 17, 2011, 07:09:20 AM »
fat+bloat+high BP= heart attack
steroids=hormones

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #72 on: February 17, 2011, 07:21:00 AM »
fat+bloat+high BP= heart attack
steroids=hormones

muscle or fat: huge over 50 = heart attack.  :'(

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #73 on: February 17, 2011, 08:05:49 AM »
Some people can handle larger amounts with out the sides. I was never one of them. As far as tren goes that is the one drugs that I would say no one should EVER use unless you compete and even then 8 weeks out is plenty.

i guess im one of them lol.. on 2.4g total, zero sides except estro sides start when no ai for 1 week. did tren on my first cycle and again zero sides except night sweats.. only real side i got was from 100mg dbol ed..nosebleeds lol

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Re: Big bloated juicer at my gym died of heart attack
« Reply #74 on: February 17, 2011, 08:09:07 AM »
muscle or fat: huge over 50 = heart attack.  :'(

that guys fat ass looks like hes; about to die from just rubbin one out

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