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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Disgusted on February 19, 2011, 06:48:01 PM
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Hope this is not true but heard he had a heart attack.
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Well at least you checked the facts before you jumped the gun.
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Well at least you checked the facts before you jumped the gun.
Just wishful thinking. Usually when I hear something in the BB world it's true. Heard he was training at Gold's when he died.
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Just wishful thinking. Usually when I hear something in the BB world it's true. Heard he was training at Gold's when he died.
What caused his Heart Attack?? ??? ???
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Religion of peace ::)
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What? Bummer. :( Always liked his physique...
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Just wishful thinking.
??? :-\
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What caused his Heart Attack?? ??? ???
Well, in this case you can be sure steroids will be blamed. I hate hearing shit like this especially in someone fairly young. I think he was mid 40's. I know that he hadn't competed in many years, but haven't seen any recent pics of him.
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Just wishful thinking.
Why would you wish someone dead?
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Why would you wish someone dead?
I meant I was hoping what I heard was not true, stop being an asshole.
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I meant I was hoping what I heard was not true, stop being an asshole.
::)
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RIP Frank :'(
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Damn,that sucks. :(
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Im gonna tell you something serious
always drink ALOT of water ESPECIALLY if you consume heavy or rich foods like cake and icecream or fetticini alfredo
because when or if i dont i get heart palpitations, especially if i were to workout
i dont get nearly any at all palpitations when i water drink heavily after 'rich/heavy' foods.
i think im lucky to be alive i dont know how much more time i got but i know that heavy water drinking after heavy/rich foods dramatically reduces bloodclots and bloodpressure and lowers heart attack/stroke risks IMMENSLEY, its all over the web if you dont beleive me. the body is such a fine tuned machine, any moment too much oil=fucked engine , dont want this to happen to anyone
shit like this happens when we get older , we dont have to worry about heart attacks in teens and 20s, in those years we have the pre ordained genetics to get us through in those years even if we make terrible dietary choices.. later in life these genetics tend to shut off or not be expressed as much, thus we have to make much better decisions
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Im gonna tell you something serious
always drink ALOT of water ESPECIALLY if you consume heavy or rich foods like cake and icecream or fetticini alfredo
because when or if i dont i get heart palpitations, especially if i were to workout
i dont get nearly any at all palpitations when i water drink heavily after 'rich/heavy' foods.
i think im lucky to be alive i dont know how much more time i got but i know that heavy water drinking after heavy/rich foods dramatically reduces bloodclots and bloodpressure and lowers heart attack/stroke risks IMMENSLEY, its all over the web if you dont beleive me. the body is such a fine tuned machine, any moment too much oil=fucked engine , dont want this to happen to anyone
shit like this happens when we get older , we dont have to worry about heart attacks in teens and 20s, in those years we have the pre ordained genetics to get us through in those years even if we make terrible dietary choices.. later in life these genetics tend to shut off or not be expressed as much, thus we have to make much better decisions
You think that maybe the methamphetamine seasoning you use on your vegetable curries causes the palpitations in the first place? Most people don't just have palptiatons.
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You think that maybe the methamphetamine seasoning you use on your vegetable curries causes the palpitations in the first place? Most people don't just have palptiatons.
most people dont and most people arent 6feet6 either with multiple rock n roll albums
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most people dont and most people arent 6feet6 either with multiple rock n roll albums
what is this heart issue you keep talking about?\\
not sure if you are fucking with us, why aren't you on some kinda heart pills or what evr?
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what is this heart issue you keep talking about?\\
not sure if you are fucking with us, why aren't you on some kinda heart pills or what evr?
He's self-medicating with water and vegetables. I dont' see why this is not a good plan. Besides, he's really young unlike this Hillebrand guy who was at least 4 years older.
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I'm wondering what Dr. Chimps, Dr. Kincade or Dr. Fist would say about this?
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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what is this heart issue you keep talking about?\\
not sure if you are fucking with us, why aren't you on some kinda heart pills or what evr?
im not lying about it
heart attacks are closely related to triglicerides/bloodsugar wich are equal to blood pressure and wich if strong enough give heart attacks or strokes
this is why water is the best drug. big meals cause huge spikes in the blood
couple dehydration, with huge meal and workout = getting near a heart attack
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im not lying about it
heart attacks are closely related to triglicerides/bloodsugar wich are equal to blood pressure and wich if strong enough give heart attacks or strokes
this is why water is the best drug. big meals cause huge spikes in the blood
couple dehydration, with huge meal and workout = getting near a heart attack
And sodium...ta da!!!!
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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According to gh15, palpitations and epilepsy are a sign that you are cursed by the gods.
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im not lying about it
heart attacks are closely related to triglicerides/bloodsugar wich are equal to blood pressure and wich if strong enough give heart attacks or strokes
this is why water is the best drug. big meals cause huge spikes in the blood
couple dehydration, with huge meal and workout = getting near a heart attack
I'm not talking about lying
have you had a heart sonogram, or a stress test??
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According to gh15, palpitations and epilepsy are a sign that you are cursed by the gods.
:D ;D
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I'm not talking about lying
have you had a heart sonogram, or a stress test??
my symptoms are 98 percent nonexistant when i drink enough water
bad things start happening when i dont drink enough
i wouldnt take medications from a doctor even if they reccomended me. cause every med out there seems to have a worse side effect anyways like effecting healthy areas/organs of the body negetavily
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my symptoms are 98 percent nonexistant when i drink enough water
bad things start happening when i dont drink enough
i wouldnt take medications from a doctor even if they reccomended me. cause every med out there seems to have a worse side effect anyways like effecting healthy areas/organs of the body negetavily
so you've never been medically tested for heart problems ?
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The falcon is probably uninsured or uninsurable -- but I'm sure if you ask him the same question for the eighth time he'll figure out a way to get the tests done.
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Well, in this case you can be sure steroids will be blamed. I hate hearing shit like this especially in someone fairly young. I think he was mid 40's. I know that he hadn't competed in many years, but haven't seen any recent pics of him.
oh of course, steroids had nothing to do with it..nothing at all.
this has never happened before..its always been something hereditary or congenital...or just coincidence.
a young, fit guy, dying of a heart attack... years of high dosage AAS couldnt have contributed or caused it...just unheard of.
cue all the fools citing other young heart attack victims as rationalisation.
note to all: guys who spend most of their time at peak fitness and in shape and taking loads of AAS are dropping dead. Its proven that fit humans live long, lasting lives. Not die of heart attacks.
thats why there is such a thing as the dead pool...no other "sport" has it.
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Im gonna tell you something serious
always drink ALOT of water ESPECIALLY if you consume heavy or rich foods like cake and icecream or fetticini alfredo
because when or if i dont i get heart palpitations, especially if i were to workout
i dont get nearly any at all palpitations when i water drink heavily after 'rich/heavy' foods.
i think im lucky to be alive i dont know how much more time i got but i know that heavy water drinking after heavy/rich foods dramatically reduces bloodclots and bloodpressure and lowers heart attack/stroke risks IMMENSLEY, its all over the web if you dont beleive me. the body is such a fine tuned machine, any moment too much oil=fucked engine , dont want this to happen to anyone
shit like this happens when we get older , we dont have to worry about heart attacks in teens and 20s, in those years we have the pre ordained genetics to get us through in those years even if we make terrible dietary choices.. later in life these genetics tend to shut off or not be expressed as much, thus we have to make much better decisions
ok man im gonna lay it out straight for you. you are having heart palps because you either have a heart problem or condition or you smoked some good shit before training and we all know that good weed can raise the heart rate and that can feel like palpitations.
it is not from a lack of water in normal society. if you are badly dehydrated then that is a diff story. it is not about genetics in the early years. it is the accumulation in the arteries etc as we get older. bring back daddywaddy. he was not a fucking nut.
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The falcon is probably uninsured or uninsurable -- but I'm sure if you ask him the same question for the eighth time he'll figure out a way to get the tests done.
damn dude, you pegged me
Imma gonna keep asking him over and over if he had a test ;)
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my symptoms are 98 percent nonexistant when i drink enough water
bad things start happening when i dont drink enough
i wouldnt take medications from a doctor even if they reccomended me. cause every med out there seems to have a worse side effect anyways like effecting healthy areas/organs of the body negetavily
Just take care of yourself failcan. It would be a great shame for anything bad to happen to that big beautiful hard veiny cock of yours.
No homo.
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oh of course, steroids had nothing to do with it..nothing at all.
this has never happened before..its always been something hereditary or congenital...or just coincidence.
a young, fit guy, dying of a heart attack... years of high dosage AAS couldnt have contributed or caused it...just unheard of.
cue all the fools citing other young heart attack victims as rationalisation.
note to all: guys who spend most of their time at peak fitness and in shape and taking loads of AAS are dropping dead. Its proven that fit humans live long, lasting lives. Not die of heart attacks.
thats why there is such a thing as the dead pool...no other "sport" has it.
You gotta be one of the dumbest guys on this site. First Frank was 45. At age 45 your chances of having a heart attack increase sharply. There are about 2,500 people daily die from heart disease alone and about 6 millions hospitalized each year for heart disease. These are facts, so if we follow your logic we should assume that if Frank was not using steroids he would be alive today and somehow may have escaped being a statistic of the average american who die from heart disease relative to his age group?
Now since Frank was a steroid user maybe he somehow managed to live longer than normal and escape the heart damaging effects of steroids and simply fell into the large statistical percentage of americans that just happen to have heart disease. Of course we could always use your twisted logic and assume that anyone who doesn't use steroids should never have a heart attack at age 45 even though statistics show heart disease increases sharply at age 45. I'm also sure that Frank led a perfectly healthy life style and never ate any type of bad foods, never smoked or did any other kind of drugs.
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It's all fun and games until one day you log on and there's a RIP Onlyme thread stickied.
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It's all fun and games until one day you log on and there's a RIP Onlyme thread stickied.
Quoted for truth.
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R I P
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TTT
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Non of this was mentioned at the Flex Pro! Or on ESPN! :-*
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You gotta be one of the dumbest guys on this site. First Frank was 45. At age 45 your chances of having a heart attack increase sharply. There are about 2,500 people daily die from heart disease alone and about 6 millions hospitalized each year for heart disease. These are facts, so if we follow your logic we should assume that if Frank was not using steroids he would be alive today and somehow may have escaped being a statistic of the average american who die from heart disease relative to his age group?
Now since Frank was a steroid user maybe he somehow managed to live longer than normal and escape the heart damaging effects of steroids and simply fell into the large statistical percentage of americans that just happen to have heart disease. Of course we could always use your twisted logic and assume that anyone who doesn't use steroids should never have a heart attack at age 45 even though statistics show heart disease increases sharply at age 45. I'm also sure that Frank led a perfectly healthy life style and never ate any type of bad foods, never smoked or did any other kind of drugs.
I hear about stuff like this happening and it makes me hope that I can live until 30. Although the fact remains it is extremely rare. Yes, people in their forties die every day of heart attacks but it is still something that becomes more likely with age. Also, looking at my family history I see no reason as to why I would suffer an early heart attack. As for steroids being the cause, yes I would like to believe that too because it would make me feel as if it makes it all the less likely to happen to non-steroid users, but as you claim, it is most likely not the cause. Did steroids and weighing so much for long periods of time result in Frank having a heart attack a few years earlier than he otherwise would have? I suppose that is possible.
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RIP Frank :(
(If it's true - no-one seems to have posted anything concrete yet)
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always drink ALOT of water ESPECIALLY if you consume heavy or rich foods like cake and icecream or fetticini alfredo
Very good advice.
PS - Post more on my board.
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RIP Frank :(
(If it's true - no-one seems to have posted anything concrete yet)
Unfortunately it's true....RIP Frank :'(
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Unfortunately it's true....RIP Frank :'(
I considered Disgusted to be a valid source, but out of curiosity, how did you confirm this?
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Another sad day for BB Frank Hillebrand passed away suddenly in Gold Gym yesterday around 45 years old.... From what I gather a massive heart attack !!! My thoughts go to his family and friends :-((
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Just read this on Andy Coulsons facebok page,he said Chris Cormier phoned him to tell him the news.
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Only 45 years, that's too early.
I remember him for his detailed physique and friendly appearance.
~ RIP Frank ~
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rw_U1LlrOFE/S9Wg2isM97I/AAAAAAAAHHs/hliWiA7feAI/s1600/Frank-Hillebrand.jpg)
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Had a great year in 1990 placing seventh at the Olympia. What is weird that it was also his best placing as a pro.
PIP.
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Only 45 years, that's too early.
I remember him for his detailed physique and friendly appearance.
~ RIP Frank ~
Died what he loved doing, I sure as hell want to go that way less the destruction of time has on the human body.
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that's beat,,,
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How could this happen! He looks so fresh and healthy! :'( ::)
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You gotta be one of the dumbest guys on this site. First Frank was 45. At age 45 your chances of having a heart attack increase sharply. There are about 2,500 people daily die from heart disease alone and about 6 millions hospitalized each year for heart disease. These are facts, so if we follow your logic we should assume that if Frank was not using steroids he would be alive today and somehow may have escaped being a statistic of the average american who die from heart disease relative to his age group?
Now since Frank was a steroid user maybe he somehow managed to live longer than normal and escape the heart damaging effects of steroids and simply fell into the large statistical percentage of americans that just happen to have heart disease. Of course we could always use your twisted logic and assume that anyone who doesn't use steroids should never have a heart attack at age 45 even though statistics show heart disease increases sharply at age 45. I'm also sure that Frank led a perfectly healthy life style and never ate any type of bad foods, never smoked or did any other kind of drugs.
Oh brother ::) YOU are the complete idiot for telling yourself it's pure chance that a guy who abused steroids for decades dies from a heart attack at 45.
Of course you gotta tell that yourself tough, let me guess, you're a roid abuser in your 30s or 40s yourself? Nervous already? ;D
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I had lunch with him and some friends in Vegas a few years back. Nice guy.
RIP
:'(
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How tall? I seem to recall he was a little guy.
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PIP.
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Good-looking guy. (no homo)
Does he leave any kids behind? What ages?
So sad, but if he does have kids and they're provided for, then he's still alpha in my book.
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His posing routine at the 90 Mr. O was amazing. ESPN coverage hacked the hell out of it which did him no justice. That jerk off commentator "Joe Fowler" was terrible! I would have to say his routine was the polar opposite of all of the shitty rap routines that I've seen over the years. His quads were great!
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Frank was seriously underrated, kind of like Charles Clairmonte. Aesthetic physique. Not huge, but his muscles used to pop when he posed. Didn't get his due. PIP...
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Frank was seriously underrated, kind of like Charles Clairmonte. Aesthetic physique. Not huge, but his muscles used to pop when he posed. Didn't get his due. PIP...
Really? How so? Schmoes were never into him because he was eclipsed by bigger bodybuilders... plain and simple. :-\
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Really? How so? Schmoes were never into him because he was eclipsed by bigger bodybuilders... plain and simple. :-\
Well, it is good to know that he was never schmoed. 8) 8)
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Well, it is good to know that he was never schmoed. 8) 8)
I can't guarantee that. He just never made a big enough impact to get and stay on the radar screen.
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Really? How so? Schmoes were never into him because he was eclipsed by bigger bodybuilders... plain and simple. :-\
Well Bay, if you're rating him on the schmoe scale, I guess it's hard to disagree... ::)
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I can't guarantee that. He just never made a big enough impact to get and stay on the radar screen.
I mean, i thought schmoes were into guys like Ruhl, Cutler, Coleman, Nasser, Rockel, Wolf,..etc. This guy was "Too Small" according to you and that equals, no schmoeing. ;)
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Well Bay, if you're rating him on the schmoe scale, I guess it's hard to disagree... ::)
Pro bodybuilding is often about the schmoe scale. Frank is tier 5 at best. Which is another way of saying he didn't register at all. Is anyone collecting, posting, or swapping Hillebrand pix? No. That is fatal to a BBs career. :(
$5000+ club (tier 1)
Coleman, Cutler, Doz, Nasser, Fux, Bautista, Warren, etc.
$3000- $4000 club (tier 2)
Atwood, D. Ball, K. Green, M. Kjellstrom, Z. Khan, Kovacs, J. Long, V. Martinez, Ruhl, Scholz,
$2000 and under (tier 3)
Arntz, Efferding, D. Riley, Constantinos, R. Burneika, Centopani, S. Milne, S. Farmer
$1000 and under (tier 4)
Ty Young, C. Martin, M. VanWyck
(tier 5)
the usual suspects
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How much for Jamie Eason?? ;)
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Oh brother ::) YOU are the complete idiot for telling yourself it's pure chance that a guy who abused steroids for decades dies from a heart attack at 45.
Of course you gotta tell that yourself tough, let me guess, you're a roid abuser in your 30s or 40s yourself? Nervous already? ;D
OK in all seriousness I not "telling" myself anything. I'm 47 never abused steroids mainly because when I was competing I was too scared of them. About two years ago I had a complete check up including an EBT Scan to check my arteries. I had zero plaque buildup in all of my arteries. I don't believe in the cholesterol scam and I eat red meat and whole eggs and have done so all my life. I do eat a pretty low carb diet mostly all the time and again I have been eating this way for over 20 years.
I have been trying to get a friend of mine to get his arteries checked for a while now. He had a family history a heart disease with both parents dying very young. This guy has abused the hell out of steroids for almost 20 years and probably never been off for more than a couple years total in this amount of time. Anyway, he was told that he had two very small blockages (less than 10 %) and they rest were clear. To be honest this shocks the hell out of me, but this guy also eats a very clean diet doesn't smoke or drink or do any kind of drugs of than roids. He also does not use insulin. So when guys come on here and and say stuff with no proof and are just repeating what they here I actually have real medical data. How many guys on here would actually go out of their way to get a simple test done to see if they have heart disease to have peace of mind or to actually know if they are close to dropping dead? I know that answer to that and it's just about no one, because people are lazy and that's pretty sad.
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Pro bodybuilding is often about the schmoe scale. Frank is tier 5 at best. Which is another way of saying he didn't register at all. Is anyone collecting, posting, or swapping Hillebrand pix? No. That is fatal to a BBs career. :(
$5000+ club (tier 1)
Coleman, Cutler, Doz, Nasser, Fux, Bautista, Warren, etc.
$3000- $4000 club (tier 2)
Atwood, D. Ball, K. Green, M. Kjellstrom, Z. Khan, Kovacs, J. Long, V. Martinez, Ruhl, Scholz,
$2000 and under (tier 3)
Arntz, Efferding, D. Riley, Constantinos, R. Burneika, Centopani, S. Milne, S. Farmer
$1000 and under (tier 4)
Ty Young, C. Martin, M. VanWyck
(tier 5)
the usual suspects
I understand that Bay, I'm not delusional in that regard. I personally don't look at bodybuilders from a schmoe's perspecti>e though. I was just commenting on his aesthetic appeal. Frank displayed all the best qualities of what bodybuilding SHOULD be about, but ob>iously isn't in most cases, lol...
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I understand that Bay, I'm not delusional in that regard. I personally don't look at bodybuilders from a schmoe's perspecti>e though. I was just commenting on his aesthetic appeal. Frank displayed all the best qualities of what bodybuilding SHOULD be about, but ob>iously isn't in most cases, lol...
We can all agree Frank was in shape. That's true for a lot of guys featured in magazines (as Frank was), but there is a difference between that and registering with schmoes. I think most BB fans look at BB from a schmoe perspective. If one is buying magazines, traveling and paying to attend shows, expos, buying videos, etc. you can't distance yourself from your status as a schmoe. Even spending spare time visiting BB websites to view pix and argue about whose glutes are more shredded...? Only a schmoe would do that.
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I seem to recall him being promoted in Weider mags as being "natural"
does anyone else remember that?
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We can all agree Frank was in shape. That's true for a lot of guys featured in magazines (as Frank was), but there is a difference between that and registering with schmoes. I think most BB fans look at BB from a schmoe perspective. If one is buying magazines, traveling and paying to attend shows, expos, buying videos, etc. you can't distance yourself from your status as a schmoe. Even spending spare time visiting BB websites to view pix and argue about whose glutes are more shredded...? Only a schmoe would do that.
Well, I guess each and e>ery getbigger is a "schmoe" then... ::)
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I seem to recall him being promoted in Weider mags as being "natural"
does anyone else remember that?
Well, he was a life time natural. 8)
He used this
(http://www.bodybuildingmusclepics.com/store/weid/images/giant_mega_mass_4000_450_white.jpeg)
:)
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I seem to recall him being promoted in Weider mags as being "natural"
does anyone else remember that?
Frank competed in the 90 Olympia that was drug tested, that's about as close to being natural as he was as a Pro. I also heard from another Pro bodybuilder that Frank was pretty much kicked out of the IFBB for getting busted selling drugs/roids.
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OK in all seriousness I not "telling" myself anything. I'm 47 never abused steroids mainly because when I was competing I was too scared of them. About two years ago I had a complete check up including an EBT Scan to check my arteries. I had zero plaque buildup in all of my arteries. I don't believe in the cholesterol scam and I eat red meat and whole eggs and have done so all my life. I do eat a pretty low carb diet mostly all the time and again I have been eating this way for over 20 years.
I have been trying to get a friend of mine to get his arteries checked for a while now. He had a family history a heart disease with both parents dying very young. This guy has abused the hell out of steroids for almost 20 years and probably never been off for more than a couple years total in this amount of time. Anyway, he was told that he had two very small blockages (less than 10 %) and they rest were clear. To be honest this shocks the hell out of me, but this guy also eats a very clean diet doesn't smoke or drink or do any kind of drugs of than roids. He also does not use insulin. So when guys come on here and and say stuff with no proof and are just repeating what they here I actually have real medical data. How many guys on here would actually go out of their way to get a simple test done to see if they have heart disease to have peace of mind or to actually know if they are close to dropping dead? I know that answer to that and it's just about no one, because people are lazy and that's pretty sad.
Yeah, and I bet someone on here has a grandpa who smoked for 50 or 60 years and got no lung cancer. So you wanna deny that smoking does harm your lungs?
Pointing out 1 or 2 individuals who have done things like that without having problems (yet) is a very lame argument.
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Yeah, and I bet someone on here has a grandpa who smoked for 50 or 60 years and got no lung cancer. So you wanna deny that smoking does harm your lungs?
Pointing out 1 or 2 individuals who have done things like that without having problems (yet) is a very lame argument.
No arguement just medical facts. Two people in their late 40's one with zero plaque and another who abused with very little. Nothing lame about it. So no matter what u say you are just giving your unsubstantiated opinion.
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Yeah, and I bet someone on here has a grandpa who smoked for 50 or 60 years and got no lung cancer. So you wanna deny that smoking does harm your lungs?
Pointing out 1 or 2 individuals who have done things like that without having problems (yet) is a very lame argument.
It's a medical fact that prolonged use of large doses of steroids can negatively impact lipid levels. Having lipid levels that are unbalanced for years on end can lead to plaque buildup in the arteries. So to say steroids aren't a contributing risk factor for heart disease is not true. Some people may be able to abuse them for years and show no real ill effects, but others can end up with heart attacks.
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RIP
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It's a medical fact that prolonged use of large doses of steroids can negatively impact lipid levels. Having lipid levels that are unbalanced for years on end can lead to plaque buildup in the arteries. So to say steroids aren't a contributing risk factor for heart disease is not true. Some people may be able to abuse them for years and show no real ill effects, but others can end up with heart attacks.
Do you have studies proving this?
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Do you have studies proving this?
There are none.
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Ive done CT scan, on my heart and done numerous ECG, I never abused steroids ever, but I have used them over the years. My bloodwork is normal whilst on 200mg of test per week, But if i increase it to over 400 well definitely 600, my lipid profile changes mainly that my good cholesterol count comes down. I have always had bloodwork done and have only used orals pre contest for no more than 6 weeks at a time, during this 6 week period my good cholesterol would drop down significantly, In knowing this I never went high dose off season and only competed rarely, and never reached my potential as a bodybuilder as i thought it would harm my long term health.
I have a no score CT scan meaning no plaque build up in the arteries, this is only down to personal management there is no way in my opinion that guys can use high amounts of gear especially orals without a change in your cholesterol.
Bodybuilders mainly only ever get bloodwork done when off, your lipid profile would have returned to normal during this time, accelerated plaque build up in bodybuilders is linked to long term high dosage of anabolics and its negative reaction to good cholesterol whilst on, this is a fact, I believe the university of California has done a study on it somewhere, there is also a UK study that I have studied.
every individual respones would be different there will be guys who need more to get a negative reaction and guys who could use less. Just an opinion.
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I never abused steroids ever,
There's no such thing as steroid abuse, there are just different views on what is acceptable risk (all use carries risks). Well there is, if we go by what the medical community thinks, and you certainly abused according to them. :D
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There's no such thing as steroid abuse, there are just different views on what is acceptable risk (all use carries risks). Well there is, if we go by what the medical community thinks, and you certainly abused according to them. :D
I agree acceptable risk is a better way of putting it.
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The denial is amusing.
Look at this body:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rw_U1LlrOFE/S9Wg2isM97I/AAAAAAAAHHs/hliWiA7feAI/s1600/Frank-Hillebrand.jpg)
This is not a healthy body. This is a body that has been pumped full of various drugs.
I am fairly sure if you visited getmeth.com, you would find hundreds of meth users talking about how meth doesn't kill you either.
It seems that people can accept that lifestyle can have an impact on your health. What is harder is for people to accept that their own lifestyle is unhealthy.
Basically - most likely cause of death is massive drug abuse over many years. His heart was probably the size of a cows heart.
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Ive done CT scan, on my heart and done numerous ECG, I never abused steroids ever, but I have used them over the years. My bloodwork is normal whilst on 200mg of test per week, But if i increase it to over 400 well definitely 600, my lipid profile changes mainly that my good cholesterol count comes down. I have always had bloodwork done and have only used orals pre contest for no more than 6 weeks at a time, during this 6 week period my good cholesterol would drop down significantly, In knowing this I never went high dose off season and only competed rarely, and never reached my potential as a bodybuilder as i thought it would harm my long term health.
I have a no score CT scan meaning no plaque build up in the arteries, this is only down to personal management there is no way in my opinion that guys can use high amounts of gear especially orals without a change in your cholesterol.
Bodybuilders mainly only ever get bloodwork done when off, your lipid profile would have returned to normal during this time, accelerated plaque build up in bodybuilders is linked to long term high dosage of anabolics and its negative reaction to good cholesterol whilst on, this is a fact, I believe the university of California has done a study on it somewhere, there is also a UK study that I have studied.
every individual respones would be different there will be guys who need more to get a negative reaction and guys who could use less. Just an opinion.
Nice to hear some honest feedback. Here's a 4 part video that is pretty fun to watch about the cholesterol scam and also some good info on animal fats. There are just as many people with plaque build up that have low cholesterol. Sorry I don't know how to post the vid so maybe some else can do it.
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Steroid abuse documentary
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The denial is amusing.
Look at this body:
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rw_U1LlrOFE/S9Wg2isM97I/AAAAAAAAHHs/hliWiA7feAI/s1600/Frank-Hillebrand.jpg)
This is not a healthy body. This is a body that has been pumped full of various drugs.
I am fairly sure if you visited getmeth.com, you would find hundreds of meth users talking about how meth doesn't kill you either.
It seems that people can accept that lifestyle can have an impact on your health. What is harder is for people to accept that their own lifestyle is unhealthy.
Basically - most likely cause of death is massive drug abuse over many years. His heart was probably the size of a cows heart.
The weight of a human heart is between 200 and 425 grams (7 and 15 ounces), this one of a cow is 5lbs or 2267 grams so I am not sure where you are getting your info.
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Steroid abuse documentary
Van, you think this guy is on anything else?
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Van, you think this guy is on anything else?
Absolutely.
Others here didn't agree, said he seemed very healthy mentally.:D
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Absolutely.
Others here didn't agree, said he seemed very healthy mentally.:D
Yeah I've seen this before. I'm guessing a bunch of rec drugs. BTW, I've been to some after parties so I've seen these guys party hard.
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Here ya go. I think there are 4 parts.
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I seem to recall him being promoted in Weider mags as being "natural"
does anyone else remember that?
maybe you're thinking of the Swiss guy, Francois Gay, he claimed natural, got some exposure in mags
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Thanks interesting, seen something similar before.
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The weight of a human heart is between 200 and 425 grams (7 and 15 ounces), this one of a cow is 5lbs or 2267 grams so I am not sure where you are getting your info.
Just a figure of speech. If you prefer I shall be more literal...
He more than likely had cardiomegaly and dilatation with a heart weight 50% or more above average as a result of abusing steroids, insulin, growth hormone and whatever other 'drug du jour' was in vogue during his 'career'.
His liver was probably the size of a bus too...
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Steroid abuse documentary
He wont live for too long.
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Strange to read all this, as I was just thinking about how few BB's and powerlifters die (or die young), especially considering what and how much they are using. Sometimes you get a bit of reliable info when a person speaks out honestly about GH/AAS/diuretics/synthol etc etc, and it surprises me how much the human body can take. You would expect a lot more more fatalities with such high doses and such prolonged abuse.
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He wont live for too long.
He seems not the kind of guy who cares about that :-\
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There's no such thing as steroid abuse, there are just different views on what is acceptable risk (all use carries risks). Well there is, if we go by what the medical community thinks, and you certainly abused according to them. :D
That's a pretty silly statement. There are known documented cases of people who have taken large doses..often orals, to the point they have impaired their liver function or have destroyed their kidneys..And then continue to use untill they have even more severe reactions. That is abuse..and any drug or chemical can be abused. To say there is no such thing as steroid abuse is ridiculous. Abuse and acceptable risk are two different things.
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http://www.muscle-insider.com/content/ifbb-pro-frank-hillebrand-dies
R I P
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Pro bodybuilding is often about the schmoe scale. Frank is tier 5 at best. Which is another way of saying he didn't register at all. Is anyone collecting, posting, or swapping Hillebrand pix? No. That is fatal to a BBs career. :(
$5000+ club (tier 1)
Coleman, Cutler, Doz, Nasser, Fux, Bautista, Warren, etc.
$3000- $4000 club (tier 2)
Atwood, D. Ball, K. Green, M. Kjellstrom, Z. Khan, Kovacs, J. Long, V. Martinez, Ruhl, Scholz,
$2000 and under (tier 3)
Arntz, Efferding, D. Riley, Constantinos, R. Burneika, Centopani, S. Milne, S. Farmer
$1000 and under (tier 4)
Ty Young, C. Martin, M. VanWyck
(tier 5)
the usual suspects
that's fucked up haha
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He more than likely had
Maybe, coulda been, probably, you never know. ::) Translation: I have no clue what I am talking about I just like type.
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Steroid abuse documentary
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Seemed as a ok dude nice symmetry and all how much could he bench? RIP Frank.
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Im gonna tell you something serious
always drink ALOT of water ESPECIALLY if you consume heavy or rich foods like cake and icecream or fetticini alfredo
because when or if i dont i get heart palpitations, especially if i were to workout
i dont get nearly any at all palpitations when i water drink heavily after 'rich/heavy' foods.
i think im lucky to be alive i dont know how much more time i got but i know that heavy water drinking after heavy/rich foods dramatically reduces bloodclots and bloodpressure and lowers heart attack/stroke risks IMMENSLEY, its all over the web if you dont beleive me. the body is such a fine tuned machine, any moment too much oil=fucked engine , dont want this to happen to anyone
shit like this happens when we get older , we dont have to worry about heart attacks in teens and 20s, in those years we have the pre ordained genetics to get us through in those years even if we make terrible dietary choices.. later in life these genetics tend to shut off or not be expressed as much, thus we have to make much better decisions
Have lab work done regularly.
Hv
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That's a pretty silly statement. There are known documented cases of people who have taken large doses..often orals, to the point they have impaired their liver function or have destroyed their kidneys..And then continue to use untill they have even more severe reactions. That is abuse..and any drug or chemical can be abused. To say there is no such thing as steroid abuse is ridiculous. Abuse and acceptable risk are two different things.
I'm not pro or con when it comes to steroids and I'm no saying that they can't ever do harm, but I think that most on here believe all the hype about how bad there are and they also don't realise all the other drugs that a lot of pros use. If I was to come on here and say that I was using 100 mgs of Anadrol daily most guys on here would wish me well because surely my liver is going to triple in size and melt away with cancerous growths within a short period of time.
Most people don't know that the recommended dose for Anadrol 50 for a 200 pound person male or female adult or child is between 90 and 450 mg daily for 3 to 6 months minimum. I'm not aware of any documented studies and I'm sure that most studies or patient cases are documented anyway, but I did read about a young girl who was prescribed Anadrol for over a year, can't remember the dose but I think it was over 100 mgs daily and developed liver tumors which doesn't surprise me.
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Here ya go. I think there are 4 parts.
thats a good video series but i think its easily misinterpreted. at one part it realizes the importance and expertise of scientists, the ones who realised low fat diets are garbage... but for the majority of the video it cmes across as extremely anti-scientist, anti-researchers, anti-government. which is just horseshit.
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thats a good video series but i think its easily misinterpreted. at one part it realizes the importance and expertise of scientists, the ones who realised low fat diets are garbage... but for the majority of the video it cmes across as extremely anti-scientist, anti-researchers, anti-government. which is just horseshit.
A lot of it is tongue in cheek and I think meant to appeal to the lay person. As far as the goverment goes they are the ones who tell use what is good to eat. Dr Eades seems to know his stuff and I like to read his blog. He really knows his stuff when it comes to the body.
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That's a pretty silly statement. There are known documented cases of people who have taken large doses..often orals, to the point they have impaired their liver function or have destroyed their kidneys..And then continue to use untill they have even more severe reactions. That is abuse..and any drug or chemical can be abused. To say there is no such thing as steroid abuse is ridiculous. Abuse and acceptable risk are two different things.
I think you completely misunderstood my point. The point is that the term "abuse" is in the eye of the beholder. The majority of the medical community feels that all image enhancing use of steroids is abuse. The only thing that is not abuse is the very few indications these drugs have for treating a few medical conditions. Go ahead, ask a doctor if your bodybuilding use of black market drugs is use or abuse.
AND... any and all use of steroids can cause dangerous side effects. Just a mere 100mg of testosterone a week can induce polycythemia.
Most bodybuilders feel they aren't abusing these drugs, it's always someone else, someone doing slightly more. They have drawn a very subjective line. Some feel unless you do frequent blood work you're abusing. But even here, how often should you do blood work and what kind of blood work? Some feel any oral use is abuse. Some feel any insulin use by non-diabetics is abuse, whereas some other guy may argue insulin use is actually healthy.
It's completely subjective, making the term lose all meaning. Your definition of abuse has a lot to do with when you grew up. Whatever you did is fine, what the younger generation is doing is abuse, all these "new and dangerous drugs".
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Steroids are for morons and morons use steroids.
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Steroids are for morons and morons use steroids.
Doesn't matter in your case
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Steroids are for morons and morons use steroids.
What's your stack?
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What's your stack?
MD magazines and a roll of TP
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What's your stack?
A stack of dimes for the neck and a few twigs for the arms and legs. Just the way I prefer.
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that guy in the video resembled rockel a bit and built similar when ronnie was smaller yrs back.
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Steroids are for morons and morons use steroids.
::) ill tell leafy what you think of him
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Most bodybuilders feel they aren't abusing these drugs, it's always someone else, someone doing slightly more. They have drawn a very subjective line. Some feel unless you do frequent blood work you're abusing. But even here, how often should you do blood work and what kind of blood work? Some feel any oral use is abuse. Some feel any insulin use by non-diabetics is abuse, whereas some other guy may argue insulin use is actually healthy.
Absolutely. And it is the same when you look at people who drink, snort coke, jack heroin, smoke meth etc. etc.
All drug addicts believe they have their habit under control and that it's not hurting them.
It's called denial. There is much of it on this thread. Common sense takes a back seat to denial.
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that guy in the video resembled rockel a bit and built similar when ronnie was smaller yrs back.
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Absolutely. And it is the same when you look at people who drink, snort coke, jack heroin, smoke meth etc. etc.
All drug addicts believe they have their habit under control and that it's not hurting them.
It's called denial. There is much of it on this thread. Common sense takes a back seat to denial.
I am addicted to roids
but if it wasn't roid, it would be alcool so might as well go with roids so I get something out of it :D
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Absolutely. And it is the same when you look at people who drink, snort coke, jack heroin, smoke meth etc. etc.
All drug addicts believe they have their habit under control and that it's not hurting them.
It's called denial. There is much of it on this thread. Common sense takes a back seat to denial.
use
abuse
two different words, two different definitions
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The denial is amusing.
Look at this body:
This is not a healthy body. This is a body that has been pumped full of various drugs.
I am fairly sure if you visited getmeth.com, you would find hundreds of meth users talking about how meth doesn't kill you either.
It seems that people can accept that lifestyle can have an impact on your health. What is harder is for people to accept that their own lifestyle is unhealthy.
Basically - most likely cause of death is massive drug abuse over many years. His heart was probably the size of a cows heart.
So what is "Healthy" anyways??
I can say i lived a very health oriented lifestyle for the last ten years, but lately i doubt that it makes any sense at all.
I haven't been drinking, avoided smokers as much as i could, going so far that i wouldn't visit friends that smoked or go out with them. I am an ex-smoker, i fucking hate tobacco smell more than anything in the world.
My diet was almost all the time top notch, except the occasional cheat meal now and then to prevent me from going crazy, and the obvious times of frustration where you doubt it all and go crazy in a McDonald's, lol.
Now looking back, i think it created more stress for me to live healthy in an environment that would not accept my lifestyle, or try to get me to eat shit, smoke, drink and so on all the time than to give in and have the occasional beer or wine or fuck the diet.
I had times where i was seriously pissed because they didn't have organic meat at the supermarket and i believed i had to eat "garbage" now.
Lately, i don't think it is worth it to stress yourself about your health in this extremes, if you want to look good and still have a decent normal life, steroids definitely help i would say. Sure this rules out drinking and smoking, but these two things shouldn't be done by anyone anyways.
And when i look at some juicer in the gym who abuses steroids and HGH, and then i am standing in the last train home from work at 11p.m. and see all the overworked, drunk, of tobacco smelling tired yet nervous from the high amounts of caffeine people, i really wonder what is the bigger health risk, the "normal" life or having a good diet with the ability to cheat and abuse some hormones.
So, in the end, is there something like a "healthy" lifestyle? I doubt it. I think it's rather: "Choose your poison", in the end we all die.
Just to make it clear, i think professional BB is an extreme, and far from healthy, so there's no need to discuss this, but on the other hand, i don't want to look into ANY professional athlete. I think all of them treat the body in a unhealthy way, although they might look healthy from the outside. But also, here again, is a marathon runner unhealthier than someone working in road construction every day?
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Good-looking guy. (no homo)
Does he leave any kids behind? What ages?
So sad, but if he does have kids and they're provided for, then he's still alpha in my book.
No kids.
I find it kinda sad that his death was posted on the internet probably before any family in Germany knew :-\
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So what is "Healthy" anyways??
I can say i lived a very health oriented lifestyle for the last ten years, but lately i doubt that it makes any sense at all.
I haven't been drinking, avoided smokers as much as i could, going so far that i wouldn't visit friends that smoked or go out with them. I am an ex-smoker, i fucking hate tobacco smell more than anything in the world.
My diet was almost all the time top notch, except the occasional cheat meal now and then to prevent me from going crazy, and the obvious times of frustration where you doubt it all and go crazy in a McDonald's, lol.
Now looking back, i think it created more stress for me to live healthy in an environment that would not accept my lifestyle, or try to get me to eat shit, smoke, drink and so on all the time than to give in and have the occasional beer or wine or fuck the diet.
I had times where i was seriously pissed because they didn't have organic meat at the supermarket and i believed i had to eat "garbage" now.
Lately, i don't think it is worth it to stress yourself about your health in this extremes, if you want to look good and still have a decent normal life, steroids definitely help i would say. Sure this rules out drinking and smoking, but these two things shouldn't be done by anyone anyways.
And when i look at some juicer in the gym who abuses steroids and HGH, and then i am standing in the last train home from work at 11p.m. and see all the overworked, drunk, of tobacco smelling tired yet nervous from the high amounts of caffeine people, i really wonder what is the bigger health risk, the "normal" life or having a good diet with the ability to cheat and abuse some hormones.
So, in the end, is there something like a "healthy" lifestyle? I doubt it. I think it's rather: "Choose your poison", in the end we all die.
Just to make it clear, i think professional BB is an extreme, and far from healthy, so there's no need to discuss this, but on the other hand, i don't want to look into ANY professional athlete. I think all of them treat the body in a unhealthy way, although they might look healthy from the outside. But also, here again, is a marathon runner unhealthier than someone working in road construction every day?
Spoton...
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Muscle is for morons and morons have muscles.
Fixed to suit you
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So what is "Healthy" anyways??
I can say i lived a very health oriented lifestyle for the last ten years, but lately i doubt that it makes any sense at all.
I haven't been drinking, avoided smokers as much as i could, going so far that i wouldn't visit friends that smoked or go out with them. I am an ex-smoker, i fucking hate tobacco smell more than anything in the world.
My diet was almost all the time top notch, except the occasional cheat meal now and then to prevent me from going crazy, and the obvious times of frustration where you doubt it all and go crazy in a McDonald's, lol.
Now looking back, i think it created more stress for me to live healthy in an environment that would not accept my lifestyle, or try to get me to eat shit, smoke, drink and so on all the time than to give in and have the occasional beer or wine or fuck the diet.
I had times where i was seriously pissed because they didn't have organic meat at the supermarket and i believed i had to eat "garbage" now.
Lately, i don't think it is worth it to stress yourself about your health in this extremes, if you want to look good and still have a decent normal life, steroids definitely help i would say. Sure this rules out drinking and smoking, but these two things shouldn't be done by anyone anyways.
And when i look at some juicer in the gym who abuses steroids and HGH, and then i am standing in the last train home from work at 11p.m. and see all the overworked, drunk, of tobacco smelling tired yet nervous from the high amounts of caffeine people, i really wonder what is the bigger health risk, the "normal" life or having a good diet with the ability to cheat and abuse some hormones.
So, in the end, is there something like a "healthy" lifestyle? I doubt it. I think it's rather: "Choose your poison", in the end we all die.
Just to make it clear, i think professional BB is an extreme, and far from healthy, so there's no need to discuss this, but on the other hand, i don't want to look into ANY professional athlete. I think all of them treat the body in a unhealthy way, although they might look healthy from the outside. But also, here again, is a marathon runner unhealthier than someone working in road construction every day?
DK is looking for a justification to hop on the juice??? :o :o :o The most bitter "natural for life; juicers are scum" guy of em all??? :o :o :o
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No kids.
I find it kinda sad that his death was posted on the internet probably before any family in Germany knew :-\
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"Health-Oriented" almost has an Asian ring to it...
Raff Out Roud
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DK is looking for a justification to hop on the juice??? :o :o :o The most bitter "natural for life; juicers are scum" guy of em all??? :o :o :o
Call it evolution, or maybe enlightenment, but at the moment i am fed up with the fact that a little miss in the diet or a little strain from the strict exercise regimen will end up in worse conditioning or looking bloated (holy shit i tell you, Japanese eat TONS of salt).
I see these clowns in the gym looking in shape all year round、they train like pussies and when you talk to them they have no clue about nutrition.
;D ;D ;D ;D
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The Power of the darkside is strong.
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I can't guarantee that. He just never made a big enough impact to get and stay on the radar screen.
Would you do him?
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Call it evolution, or maybe enlightenment, but at the moment i am fed up with the fact that a little miss in the diet or a little strain from the strict exercise regimen will end up in worse conditioning or looking bloated (holy shit i tell you, Japanese eat TONS of salt).
I see these clowns in the gym looking in shape all year round、they train like pussies and when you talk to them they have no clue about nutrition.
;D ;D ;D ;D
Well, as a juicer you'll look even way more bloated with a litl miss in your diet than a natural, trust me on that. ;)
Anyway, why would you care about other clowns in the gym? With a kid and job, don't you have more important things to worry about in life? I smell a Midlife crisis.
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Well, as a juicer you'll look even way more bloated with a litl miss in your diet than a natural, trust me on that. ;)
Anyway, why would you care about other clowns in the gym? With a kid and job, don't you have more important things to worry about in life? I smell a Midlife crisis.
I like low carb anyways.
Why do i care? It's just frustrating, i think that is pretty human. If you're honest, no one will like it to go to the gym and have a bad day and see others being in shape all year round.
Midlife crisis is going too far, i'm just frustrated. It's ok, i have had this every few years, until now i never really hopped on the juice, let's see what will happen this time. ;D ;D ;D