Author Topic: Frank Hillebrand RIP (Read 37825 times)

Princess L · « **Reply #50 on:** February 20, 2011, 07:49:41 AM »

I had lunch with him and some friends in Vegas a few years back. Nice guy.

RIP

BayGBM · « **Reply #51 on:** February 20, 2011, 08:01:52 AM »

How tall? I seem to recall he was a little guy.

240 is Back · « **Reply #52 on:** February 20, 2011, 08:11:07 AM »

Tre · « **Reply #53 on:** February 20, 2011, 08:12:55 AM »

Good-looking guy. (no homo)

Does he leave any kids behind? What ages?

So sad, but if he does have kids and they're provided for, then he's still alpha in my book.

Old School Trainer · « **Reply #54 on:** February 20, 2011, 09:17:07 AM »

His posing routine at the 90 Mr. O was amazing. ESPN coverage hacked the hell out of it which did him no justice. That jerk off commentator "Joe Fowler" was terrible! I would have to say his routine was the polar opposite of all of the shitty rap routines that I've seen over the years. His quads were great!

Cableguy · « **Reply #55 on:** February 20, 2011, 09:31:42 AM »

Frank was seriously underrated, kind of like Charles Clairmonte. Aesthetic physique. Not huge, but his muscles used to pop when he posed. Didn't get his due. PIP...

BayGBM · « **Reply #56 on:** February 20, 2011, 10:17:47 AM »

Quote from: Cableguy on February 20, 2011, 09:31:42 AM

Frank was seriously underrated, kind of like Charles Clairmonte. Aesthetic physique. Not huge, but his muscles used to pop when he posed. Didn't get his due. PIP...

Really? How so? Schmoes were never into him because he was eclipsed by bigger bodybuilders... plain and simple. $:-\$

Doug_Steele · « **Reply #57 on:** February 20, 2011, 10:18:58 AM »

Quote from: BayGBM on February 20, 2011, 10:17:47 AM

Really? How so? Schmoes were never into him because he was eclipsed by bigger bodybuilders... plain and simple. $:-\$

Well, it is good to know that he was never schmoed.

BayGBM · « **Reply #58 on:** February 20, 2011, 10:24:43 AM »

Quote from: Doug_Steele on February 20, 2011, 10:18:58 AM

Well, it is good to know that he was never schmoed.

I can't guarantee that. He just never made a big enough impact to get and stay on the radar screen.

Cableguy · « **Reply #59 on:** February 20, 2011, 10:25:59 AM »

Quote from: BayGBM on February 20, 2011, 10:17:47 AM

Really? How so? Schmoes were never into him because he was eclipsed by bigger bodybuilders... plain and simple. $:-\$

Well Bay, if you're rating him on the schmoe scale, I guess it's hard to disagree...

Doug_Steele · « **Reply #60 on:** February 20, 2011, 10:27:58 AM »

Quote from: BayGBM on February 20, 2011, 10:24:43 AM

I can't guarantee that. He just never made a big enough impact to get and stay on the radar screen.

I mean, i thought schmoes were into guys like Ruhl, Cutler, Coleman, Nasser, Rockel, Wolf,..etc. This guy was "Too Small" according to you and that equals, no schmoeing.

BayGBM · « **Reply #61 on:** February 20, 2011, 10:30:18 AM »

Quote from: Cableguy on February 20, 2011, 10:25:59 AM

Well Bay, if you're rating him on the schmoe scale, I guess it's hard to disagree...

Pro bodybuilding is often about the schmoe scale. Frank is tier 5 at best. Which is another way of saying he didn't register at all. Is anyone collecting, posting, or swapping Hillebrand pix? No. That is fatal to a BBs career.

$5000+ club (tier 1)
Coleman, Cutler, Doz, Nasser, Fux, Bautista, Warren, etc.

$3000- $4000 club (tier 2)
Atwood, D. Ball, K. Green, M. Kjellstrom, Z. Khan, Kovacs, J. Long, V. Martinez, Ruhl, Scholz,

$2000 and under (tier 3)
Arntz, Efferding, D. Riley, Constantinos, R. Burneika, Centopani, S. Milne, S. Farmer

$1000 and under (tier 4)
Ty Young, C. Martin, M. VanWyck

(tier 5)
the usual suspects

Doug_Steele · « **Reply #62 on:** February 20, 2011, 10:35:22 AM »

How much for Jamie Eason??

Disgusted · « **Reply #63 on:** February 20, 2011, 10:43:29 AM »

Quote from: affeman on February 20, 2011, 05:51:51 AM

Oh brother YOU are the complete idiot for telling yourself it's pure chance that a guy who abused steroids for decades dies from a heart attack at 45.

Of course you gotta tell that yourself tough, let me guess, you're a roid abuser in your 30s or 40s yourself? Nervous already?

OK in all seriousness I not "telling" myself anything. I'm 47 never abused steroids mainly because when I was competing I was too scared of them. About two years ago I had a complete check up including an EBT Scan to check my arteries. I had zero plaque buildup in all of my arteries. I don't believe in the cholesterol scam and I eat red meat and whole eggs and have done so all my life. I do eat a pretty low carb diet mostly all the time and again I have been eating this way for over 20 years.

I have been trying to get a friend of mine to get his arteries checked for a while now. He had a family history a heart disease with both parents dying very young. This guy has abused the hell out of steroids for almost 20 years and probably never been off for more than a couple years total in this amount of time. Anyway, he was told that he had two very small blockages (less than 10 %) and they rest were clear. To be honest this shocks the hell out of me, but this guy also eats a very clean diet doesn't smoke or drink or do any kind of drugs of than roids. He also does not use insulin. So when guys come on here and and say stuff with no proof and are just repeating what they here I actually have real medical data. How many guys on here would actually go out of their way to get a simple test done to see if they have heart disease to have peace of mind or to actually know if they are close to dropping dead? I know that answer to that and it's just about no one, because people are lazy and that's pretty sad.

Cableguy · « **Reply #64 on:** February 20, 2011, 10:46:35 AM »

Quote from: BayGBM on February 20, 2011, 10:30:18 AM

Pro bodybuilding is often about the schmoe scale. Frank is tier 5 at best. Which is another way of saying he didn't register at all. Is anyone collecting, posting, or swapping Hillebrand pix? No. That is fatal to a BBs career.

$5000+ club (tier 1)
Coleman, Cutler, Doz, Nasser, Fux, Bautista, Warren, etc.

$3000- $4000 club (tier 2)
Atwood, D. Ball, K. Green, M. Kjellstrom, Z. Khan, Kovacs, J. Long, V. Martinez, Ruhl, Scholz,

$2000 and under (tier 3)
Arntz, Efferding, D. Riley, Constantinos, R. Burneika, Centopani, S. Milne, S. Farmer

$1000 and under (tier 4)
Ty Young, C. Martin, M. VanWyck

(tier 5)
the usual suspects

I understand that Bay, I'm not delusional in that regard. I personally don't look at bodybuilders from a schmoe's perspecti>e though. I was just commenting on his aesthetic appeal. Frank displayed all the best qualities of what bodybuilding SHOULD be about, but ob>iously isn't in most cases, lol...

BayGBM · « **Reply #65 on:** February 20, 2011, 10:53:23 AM »

Quote from: Cableguy on February 20, 2011, 10:46:35 AM

I understand that Bay, I'm not delusional in that regard. I personally don't look at bodybuilders from a schmoe's perspecti>e though. I was just commenting on his aesthetic appeal. Frank displayed all the best qualities of what bodybuilding SHOULD be about, but ob>iously isn't in most cases, lol...

We can all agree Frank was in shape. That's true for a lot of guys featured in magazines (as Frank was), but there is a difference between that and registering with schmoes. I think most BB fans look at BB from a schmoe perspective. If one is buying magazines, traveling and paying to attend shows, expos, buying videos, etc. you can't distance yourself from your status as a schmoe. Even spending spare time visiting BB websites to view pix and argue about whose glutes are more shredded...? Only a schmoe would do that.

Straw Man · « **Reply #66 on:** February 20, 2011, 11:19:57 AM »

I seem to recall him being promoted in Weider mags as being "natural"

does anyone else remember that?

Cableguy · « **Reply #67 on:** February 20, 2011, 01:02:29 PM »

Quote from: BayGBM on February 20, 2011, 10:53:23 AM

We can all agree Frank was in shape. That's true for a lot of guys featured in magazines (as Frank was), but there is a difference between that and registering with schmoes. I think most BB fans look at BB from a schmoe perspective. If one is buying magazines, traveling and paying to attend shows, expos, buying videos, etc. you can't distance yourself from your status as a schmoe. Even spending spare time visiting BB websites to view pix and argue about whose glutes are more shredded...? Only a schmoe would do that.

Well, I guess each and e>ery getbigger is a "schmoe" then...

Doug_Steele · « **Reply #68 on:** February 20, 2011, 01:05:07 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on February 20, 2011, 11:19:57 AM

I seem to recall him being promoted in Weider mags as being "natural"

does anyone else remember that?

Well, he was a life time natural.

He used this

US MUSL · « **Reply #69 on:** February 20, 2011, 01:31:23 PM »

Quote from: Straw Man on February 20, 2011, 11:19:57 AM

I seem to recall him being promoted in Weider mags as being "natural"

does anyone else remember that?

Frank competed in the 90 Olympia that was drug tested, that's about as close to being natural as he was as a Pro. I also heard from another Pro bodybuilder that Frank was pretty much kicked out of the IFBB for getting busted selling drugs/roids.

affeman · « **Reply #70 on:** February 20, 2011, 01:37:24 PM »

Quote from: Disgusted on February 20, 2011, 10:43:29 AM

OK in all seriousness I not "telling" myself anything. I'm 47 never abused steroids mainly because when I was competing I was too scared of them. About two years ago I had a complete check up including an EBT Scan to check my arteries. I had zero plaque buildup in all of my arteries. I don't believe in the cholesterol scam and I eat red meat and whole eggs and have done so all my life. I do eat a pretty low carb diet mostly all the time and again I have been eating this way for over 20 years.

I have been trying to get a friend of mine to get his arteries checked for a while now. He had a family history a heart disease with both parents dying very young. This guy has abused the hell out of steroids for almost 20 years and probably never been off for more than a couple years total in this amount of time. Anyway, he was told that he had two very small blockages (less than 10 %) and they rest were clear. To be honest this shocks the hell out of me, but this guy also eats a very clean diet doesn't smoke or drink or do any kind of drugs of than roids. He also does not use insulin. So when guys come on here and and say stuff with no proof and are just repeating what they here I actually have real medical data. How many guys on here would actually go out of their way to get a simple test done to see if they have heart disease to have peace of mind or to actually know if they are close to dropping dead? I know that answer to that and it's just about no one, because people are lazy and that's pretty sad.

Yeah, and I bet someone on here has a grandpa who smoked for 50 or 60 years and got no lung cancer. So you wanna deny that smoking does harm your lungs?

Pointing out 1 or 2 individuals who have done things like that without having problems (yet) is a very lame argument.

Disgusted · « **Reply #71 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:05:24 PM »

Quote from: affeman on February 20, 2011, 01:37:24 PM

Yeah, and I bet someone on here has a grandpa who smoked for 50 or 60 years and got no lung cancer. So you wanna deny that smoking does harm your lungs?

Pointing out 1 or 2 individuals who have done things like that without having problems (yet) is a very lame argument.

No arguement just medical facts. Two people in their late 40's one with zero plaque and another who abused with very little. Nothing lame about it. So no matter what u say you are just giving your unsubstantiated opinion.

The ChemistV2 · « **Reply #72 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:16:58 PM »

Quote from: affeman on February 20, 2011, 01:37:24 PM

Yeah, and I bet someone on here has a grandpa who smoked for 50 or 60 years and got no lung cancer. So you wanna deny that smoking does harm your lungs?

Pointing out 1 or 2 individuals who have done things like that without having problems (yet) is a very lame argument.

It's a medical fact that prolonged use of large doses of steroids can negatively impact lipid levels. Having lipid levels that are unbalanced for years on end can lead to plaque buildup in the arteries. So to say steroids aren't a contributing risk factor for heart disease is not true. Some people may be able to abuse them for years and show no real ill effects, but others can end up with heart attacks.

The Abdominal Snoman · « **Reply #73 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:17:24 PM »

The Showstoppa · « **Reply #74 on:** February 20, 2011, 02:18:07 PM »

Quote from: The ChemistV2 on February 20, 2011, 02:16:58 PM

It's a medical fact that prolonged use of large doses of steroids can negatively impact lipid levels. Having lipid levels that are unbalanced for years on end can lead to plaque buildup in the arteries. So to say steroids aren't a contributing risk factor for heart disease is not true. Some people may be able to abuse them for years and show no real ill effects, but others can end up with heart attacks.

Do you have studies proving this?