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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #75 on: February 20, 2011, 04:07:29 PM »
Do you have studies proving this?

There are none.

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« Reply #76 on: February 20, 2011, 11:36:38 PM »
Ive done CT scan, on my heart and done numerous ECG, I never abused steroids ever, but I have used them over the years. My bloodwork is normal whilst on 200mg of test per week, But if i increase it to over 400 well definitely 600, my lipid profile changes mainly that my good cholesterol count comes down. I have always had bloodwork done and have only used orals pre contest for no more than 6 weeks at a time, during this 6 week period my good cholesterol would drop down significantly, In knowing this I never went high dose off season and only competed rarely, and never reached my potential as a bodybuilder as i thought it would harm my long term health.
I have a no score CT scan meaning no plaque build up in the arteries, this is only down to personal management there is no way in my opinion that guys can use high amounts of gear especially orals without  a change in your cholesterol.
Bodybuilders mainly only ever get bloodwork done when off, your lipid profile would have returned to normal during this time, accelerated plaque build up in bodybuilders is linked to long term high dosage of anabolics and its negative reaction to good cholesterol whilst on, this is a fact, I believe the university of California has done a study on it somewhere, there is also a UK study that I have studied.
every individual respones would be different there will be guys who need more to get a negative reaction and guys who could use less.  Just an opinion.

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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2011, 11:43:19 PM »
I never abused steroids ever,

There's no such thing as steroid abuse, there are just different views on what is acceptable risk (all use carries risks). Well there is, if we go by what the medical community thinks, and you certainly abused according to them.  :D

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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2011, 11:44:23 PM »
There's no such thing as steroid abuse, there are just different views on what is acceptable risk (all use carries risks). Well there is, if we go by what the medical community thinks, and you certainly abused according to them.  :D

I agree acceptable risk is a better way of putting it.

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« Reply #79 on: February 20, 2011, 11:48:07 PM »
The denial is amusing.

Look at this body:



This is not a healthy body. This is a body that has been pumped full of various drugs.

I am fairly sure if you visited getmeth.com, you would find hundreds of meth users talking about how meth doesn't kill you either.

It seems that people can accept that lifestyle can have an impact on your health. What is harder is for people to accept that their own lifestyle is unhealthy.

Basically - most likely cause of death is massive drug abuse over many years. His heart was probably the size of a cows heart.

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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #80 on: February 20, 2011, 11:51:26 PM »
Ive done CT scan, on my heart and done numerous ECG, I never abused steroids ever, but I have used them over the years. My bloodwork is normal whilst on 200mg of test per week, But if i increase it to over 400 well definitely 600, my lipid profile changes mainly that my good cholesterol count comes down. I have always had bloodwork done and have only used orals pre contest for no more than 6 weeks at a time, during this 6 week period my good cholesterol would drop down significantly, In knowing this I never went high dose off season and only competed rarely, and never reached my potential as a bodybuilder as i thought it would harm my long term health.
I have a no score CT scan meaning no plaque build up in the arteries, this is only down to personal management there is no way in my opinion that guys can use high amounts of gear especially orals without  a change in your cholesterol.
Bodybuilders mainly only ever get bloodwork done when off, your lipid profile would have returned to normal during this time, accelerated plaque build up in bodybuilders is linked to long term high dosage of anabolics and its negative reaction to good cholesterol whilst on, this is a fact, I believe the university of California has done a study on it somewhere, there is also a UK study that I have studied.
every individual respones would be different there will be guys who need more to get a negative reaction and guys who could use less.  Just an opinion.

Nice to hear some honest feedback. Here's a 4 part video that is pretty fun to watch about the cholesterol scam and also some good info on animal fats. There are just as many people with plaque build up that have low cholesterol. Sorry I don't know how to post the  vid so maybe some else can do it.


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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #81 on: February 20, 2011, 11:53:02 PM »
Steroid abuse documentary



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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #82 on: February 20, 2011, 11:53:33 PM »
The denial is amusing.

Look at this body:



This is not a healthy body. This is a body that has been pumped full of various drugs.

I am fairly sure if you visited getmeth.com, you would find hundreds of meth users talking about how meth doesn't kill you either.

It seems that people can accept that lifestyle can have an impact on your health. What is harder is for people to accept that their own lifestyle is unhealthy.

Basically - most likely cause of death is massive drug abuse over many years. His heart was probably the size of a cows heart.

The weight of a human heart is between 200 and 425 grams (7 and 15 ounces), this one of a cow is 5lbs or 2267 grams so I am not sure where you are getting your info.

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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #83 on: February 20, 2011, 11:54:56 PM »
Steroid abuse documentary




Van, you think this guy is on anything else?

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« Reply #84 on: February 20, 2011, 11:57:03 PM »
Van, you think this guy is on anything else?

Absolutely. 

Others here didn't agree, said he seemed very healthy mentally.:D

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« Reply #85 on: February 20, 2011, 11:58:51 PM »
Absolutely.  

Others here didn't agree, said he seemed very healthy mentally.:D


Yeah I've seen this before. I'm guessing a bunch of rec drugs. BTW, I've been to some after parties so I've seen these guys party hard.

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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #86 on: February 21, 2011, 12:00:35 AM »

Here ya go. I think there are 4 parts.


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« Reply #87 on: February 21, 2011, 12:44:46 AM »
I seem to recall him being promoted in Weider mags as being "natural"

does anyone else remember that?
maybe you're thinking of the Swiss guy, Francois Gay, he claimed natural, got some exposure in mags

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« Reply #88 on: February 21, 2011, 01:26:19 AM »
Thanks interesting, seen something similar before.

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« Reply #89 on: February 21, 2011, 02:28:57 AM »
The weight of a human heart is between 200 and 425 grams (7 and 15 ounces), this one of a cow is 5lbs or 2267 grams so I am not sure where you are getting your info.


Just a figure of speech. If you prefer I shall be more literal...

He more than likely had cardiomegaly and dilatation with a heart weight 50% or more above average as a result of abusing steroids, insulin, growth hormone and whatever other 'drug du jour' was in vogue during his 'career'.

His liver was probably the size of a bus too...

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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2011, 03:29:46 AM »
Steroid abuse documentary




He wont live for too long.

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« Reply #91 on: February 21, 2011, 04:05:12 AM »
Strange to read all this, as I was just thinking about how few BB's and powerlifters die (or die young), especially considering what and how much they are using. Sometimes you get a bit of reliable info when a person speaks out honestly about GH/AAS/diuretics/synthol etc etc, and it surprises me how much the human body can take. You would expect a lot more more fatalities with such high doses and such prolonged abuse.

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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #92 on: February 21, 2011, 08:15:15 AM »
He wont live for too long.
He seems not the kind of guy who cares about that  :-\

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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #93 on: February 21, 2011, 09:17:10 AM »
There's no such thing as steroid abuse, there are just different views on what is acceptable risk (all use carries risks). Well there is, if we go by what the medical community thinks, and you certainly abused according to them.  :D
That's a pretty silly statement. There are known documented cases of people who have taken large doses..often orals, to the point they have impaired their liver function or have destroyed their kidneys..And then continue to use untill they have even more severe reactions. That is abuse..and any drug or chemical can be abused. To say there is no such thing as steroid abuse is ridiculous. Abuse and acceptable risk are two different things.

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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #95 on: February 21, 2011, 10:11:09 AM »
Pro bodybuilding is often about the schmoe scale.  Frank is tier 5 at best.  Which is another way of saying he didn't register at all.  Is anyone collecting, posting, or swapping Hillebrand pix?  No.  That is fatal to a BBs career.  :(


$5000+ club (tier 1)
Coleman, Cutler, Doz, Nasser, Fux, Bautista, Warren, etc.

$3000- $4000 club (tier 2)
Atwood, D. Ball, K. Green, M. Kjellstrom, Z. Khan, Kovacs, J. Long, V. Martinez, Ruhl, Scholz,

$2000 and under (tier 3)
Arntz, Efferding, D. Riley, Constantinos, R. Burneika, Centopani, S. Milne, S. Farmer

$1000 and under (tier 4)
Ty Young, C. Martin, M. VanWyck

(tier 5)
the usual suspects

that's fucked up haha

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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #96 on: February 21, 2011, 10:22:37 AM »

He more than likely had

Maybe, coulda been, probably, you never know.  ::) Translation: I have no clue what I am talking about I just like type.

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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #97 on: February 21, 2011, 10:35:42 AM »
Steroid abuse documentary



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Re: Frank Hillebrand RIP
« Reply #98 on: February 21, 2011, 10:37:58 AM »
Seemed as a ok dude nice symmetry and all how much could he bench? RIP Frank.

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« Reply #99 on: February 21, 2011, 10:38:32 AM »
Im gonna tell you something serious

always drink ALOT of water ESPECIALLY if you consume heavy or rich foods like cake and icecream or fetticini alfredo

because when or if i dont i get heart palpitations, especially if i were to workout

i dont get nearly any at all palpitations when i water drink heavily after 'rich/heavy' foods.

i think im lucky to be alive i dont know how much more time i got but i know that heavy water drinking after heavy/rich foods dramatically reduces bloodclots and bloodpressure and lowers heart attack/stroke risks IMMENSLEY, its all over the web if you dont beleive me. the body is such a fine tuned machine, any moment too much oil=fucked engine , dont want this to happen to anyone

shit like this happens when we get older , we dont have to worry about heart attacks in teens and 20s, in those years we have the pre ordained genetics to get us through in those years even if we make terrible dietary choices.. later in life  these genetics tend to shut off or not be expressed as much, thus we have to make much better decisions


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