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Now, it REALLY GETS GOOD! It's perp-walk time!!!
Wisconsin Senate OKs arrest of absent Dems for contempt
The Wisconsin Senate has passed a resolution calling for police to take 14 Democrats into custody for contempt after they fled to Illinois to avoid voting on a union rights bill, the Associated Press reports.
The resolution says the absent Democrats are determined to be guilty of contempt and disorderly content.
It gives the sergeant at arms the authority to take any and all steps, with or without force and assistance from police, to bring the senators back, the AP says.
Republican Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald says today's action is legally different from an arrest, but "definitely a shift from asking them politely."
The vote comes two weeks after the Democrats left the state to delay a vote on Republican Gov. Scott Walker's proposal taking away most collective bargaining rights from public workers.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/03/wisconsin-senate-oks-arrest-of-absent-dems-for-contempt/1 (http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/03/wisconsin-senate-oks-arrest-of-absent-dems-for-contempt/1)
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good, serves the chicken shits right
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Contempt of what?
How can the legislative branch of government do that?
Sounds like an abuse of power.
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Contempt of what?
How can the legislative branch of government do that?
Sounds like an abuse of power.
Abuse of power? PLEASE!!!
Running like a coward, because the outcome won't be to your liking is an ABUSE OF POWER.
I say: Cuff 'em; stuff 'em; and drag their sorry behinds back to Wisconsin, so they can DO THE JOB THEY GET PAID TO DO.
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More like theft , those officials get paid to do a job, but instead they run off and hide, but are still getting paid. I believe that should be theft. If I got paid to do my job but I ran and hid for to weeks I would fired at the least.
Not to mention those people took an oath to do a job, that they are not doing hiding out.
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Contempt of what?
How can the legislative branch of government do that?
Sounds like an abuse of power.
How is running away from your tax payer funded job not an abuse of power? Are you really that dense or just trolling?
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These dems are a joke.
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How is running away from your tax payer funded job not an abuse of power? Are you really that dense or just trolling?
No... I'm not saying they shouldn't be removed from office. They should... but that's not what I'm saying.
I'm asking how a legislative branch of government can order the arrest of citizens.
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No... I'm not saying they shouldn't be removed from office. They should... but that's not what I'm saying.
I'm asking how a legislative branch of government can order the arrest of citizens.
That's probably a clause in Wisconsin's constitution. We'll have to check.
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That's probably a clause in Wisconsin's constitution. We'll have to check.
I would think we would... Sounds sketchy.
If you want to impeach those people in office... If that's also allowed... Then I'm cool with that, but I'm just not down with any legislative branch of government having the power to arrest it's citizens... That's fascism.
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Abuse of power? PLEASE!!!
Running like a coward, because the outcome won't be to your liking is an ABUSE OF POWER.
I say: Cuff 'em; stuff 'em; and drag their sorry behinds back to Wisconsin, so they can DO THE JOB THEY GET PAID TO DO.
Unfortunately it only applies if they are IN Wisconsin. Can't 'arrest' them if they're over the boarder. It has been reported that some of them have been "spotted" at their homes occasionally. One of them is a woman who is 8 mos. pregnant.
1500 layoff notices go out tomorrow because of their lack of foresight ::)
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Wisconsin Cops to Walker: Yeah right.... Nice try..
So the Wisconsin Senate has ordered the arrest of the Senate Democrats:
Senate Republicans Thursday ordered the arrest of their 14 Democratic colleagues, who fled the state two weeks ago to avoid a vote on Gov. Scott Walker's controversial budget repair bill.
It's unclear whether the resolution to force the senators back to the Capitol is constitutional. The state Constitution prohibits the arrest of legislators while in session unless they're suspected of committing felonies, treason or breach of the peace.
Democrats say the Republicans have overreached, and have consulted an attorney for an opinion on whether the GOP actions are legal.
"The Republicans have gone around the bend," said Sen. Chris Larson, D-Milwaukee. "They've just increased their bullying tactics and are producing an even greater divide in our state."
James Troupis, a private attorney hired by Fitzgerald, contended Thursday that the move is legal. He cited a portion of the state Constitution that provides that each house "may compel the attendance of absent members."
But Wisconsin police are saying they won't and can't enforce this. I am so used to authoritarian cops who don't give a damn about anyone else's rights that I'm deeply impressed by the Wisconsin cops who are refusing to allow themselves to be used against the governor's political opponents. Let's hear it for Jim Palmer!
Wow. Let’s hear it for the Wisconsin Professional Police Association. Today the organization slammed Senate Republicans after they ordered the detention of 14
Democratic Senators staying in Illinois “with or without force.” Here’s the statement by these defenders of civil liberties and democracy:
Politics aside, encouraging the forcible detention of duly elected lawmakers
because they won’t allow you to dictate with a free hand is an unreasonable
abuse of police power,” said WPPA Executive Director Jim Palmer. “Due to the fact that Wisconsin officers lack any jurisdiction across state lines, does Senator Fitzgerald intend to establish a ‘lawmaker border patrol? The thought of using law enforcement officers to exercise force in order to achieve a political objective is insanely wrong and Wisconsin sorely needs reasonable solutions and not potentially dangerous political theatrics.
Tags: Jim Palmer, Wisconsin Professional Police Association
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I would think we would... Sounds sketchy.
If you want to impeach those people in office... If that's also allowed... Then I'm cool with that, but I'm just not down with any legislative branch of government having the power to arrest it's citizens... That's fascism.
Are you really that dumb? Any legislative branch in this country can pass laws and then create an agency to enforce them - some, more limited than others.
Hell, who do you think the U.S. Capitol Police answer to? Hint - it ain't Obama.
Wether or not Wisconsin is set up to get these morons, IDK. But it's not facism and a completely normal power for legislative bodies.
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These demo cry babies need to be impeached and removed asap.
After that - I would fire all of these union cun@s and make the jobs open nationwide and ask for resumes. Same deal as being offered by walker. Millions would flood the state begging on hand and knee for those jobs.
I'm so sick of these greedy pigs in state employment looking at the taxpayer like a pinata.
Fire em all - every last one of them, cops, teachers, all of them.
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These demo cry babies need to be impeached and removed asap.
After that - I would fire all of these union cun@s and make the jobs open nationwide and ask for resumes. Same deal as being offered by walker. Millions would flood the state begging on hand and knee for those jobs.
I'm so sick of these greedy pigs in state employment looking at the taxpayer like a pinata.
Fire em all - every last one of them, cops, teachers, all of them.
:o :o ::) ::)
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Seriously, if you opened those jobs to the public, millions would apply overnight.
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Seriously, if you opened those jobs to the public, millions would apply overnight.
Too extreme for me as you would lose a huge knowledge base and a lot of experienced people. I think the governor's going to have to budge somewhat, just wondering how much.
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Are you really that dumb? Any legislative branch in this country can pass laws and then create an agency to enforce them - some, more limited than others.
Hell, who do you think the U.S. Capitol Police answer to? Hint - it ain't Obama.
Wether or not Wisconsin is set up to get these morons, IDK. But it's not facism and a completely normal power for legislative bodies.
Actually, you're wrong... legislative branch does make laws... They have no legal right to "enforce" them.
The executive branch enforces the laws... hence why capitol police report to the governor... Not the Senate or House.
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Not for me at all. We have 15 million in need of work.
If these union slobs and pieces of trash are not happy w their employment situation or what is proposed, they can quit, be replaced easily, and jobs filled overnight by more qualified motivated people in need of work.
I have not a drop of sympathy for these people. I was in a DOL today on a case and there were literally hundreds on people all on top of one another seeking anything from job training, listings, anything. These people would do almost anything for work.
When I hear crybaby public employees who are pampered as it is, sorry charlie, buck up and get w the program or move on.
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Actually, you're wrong... legislative branch does make laws... They have no legal right to "enforce" them.
The executive branch enforces the laws... hence why capitol police report to the governor... Not the Senate or House.
I'm not wrong, nor can you point to any evidence showing that a legislative body cannot enforce it's own law.
By the way, the U.S. Capitol Police don't have a governor. Nor do they answer to the mayor genius.
Here, educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Police_Board
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I should clarify that if a state has enacted specific laws, then the legislative body can't enforce it's own laws. But, I know of no state doing that. Maybe in the constitutions of some, IDK.
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I'm not wrong, nor can you point to any evidence showing that a legislative body cannot enforce it's own law.
By the way, the U.S. Capitol Police don't have a governor. Nor do they answer to the mayor genius.
Here, educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Police_Board
The Capitol police of a state dude... We're talking about a state... not the US Capitol Police... Most states have a Capitol police... That's what we are talking about.
Why not stop trying to confuse the point and understand that no... Legislative Branches do not enforce laws... executive branches do.
EVEN in the US government.... Since you are so keen on self education.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_branch_of_government_enforces_the_law
The Executive Branch enforces the law.
This seems to be a source of confusion for a lot of people. The three branches of government have complementary functions:
* The Executive Branch (President) enforces or carries out the laws
* The Legislative Branch (Congress: The Senate and House of Representatives) makes the laws
* The Judicial Branch (Federal Courts) interprets and applies the laws and makes sure they're constitutional.
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_branch_of_government_enforces_the_law#ixzz1FaTl2StC
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I'm not wrong, nor can you point to any evidence showing that a legislative body cannot enforce it's own law.
By the way, the U.S. Capitol Police don't have a governor. Nor do they answer to the mayor genius.
Here, educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Police_Board
Dude... even your own wiki shows the leadership:
Leaders
Senate
President (list) • President pro tempore (list) • Majority and minority leaders • Assistant party leaders • Democratic Caucus (Chair • Secretary • Policy Committee Chair) • Republican Conference (Chair • Vice-Chair • Policy Committee Chair)
House
Speaker (list) • Majority and minority leaders • Party whips • Democratic Caucus • Republican Conference
Guess who the President of the Senate is?
The Vice President... (Feel free to click your own link if you like) Which is in the Executive Branch of government.
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The Capitol police of a state dude... We're talking about a state... not the US Capitol Police... Most states have a Capitol police... That's what we are talking about.
Why not stop trying to confuse the point and understand that no... Legislative Branches do not enforce laws... executive branches do.
EVEN in the US government.... Since you are so keen on self education.
I'm not confused, you are. You're confusing the way things are normally handled vs. the way things must be handled.
Nothing you posted demonstrates that a legislative body must defer to the executive for enforcement.
I gave you the U.S. Capitol Police as an example (which you're still unable to refute).
And I am educating myself - that's why I'm in my 2nd yr for my Master's in Government and why I know you're full of shit.
AGAIN, post ANY proof that a legislative body cannot enforce it's own laws.
Want a state example - look at Virginia Capitol Police. They do not fall under the executive:
Here is their police chief who was appointed by the legislature NOT the governor.
The Virginia State Police issued the following news release:
House of Delegates Speaker William J. Howell (R-Stafford) today announced the appointment of Virginia State Police Captain Kimberly S. Lettner to serve as Chief of Police for the Virginia Capitol Police. Colonel Lettner will assume her new post, effective January 5, 2007.
Lettner was selected for this leadership position by the General Assembly's Legislative Support Commission. The Chief of Police serves as the Chief Executive Officer of the Division of Capitol Police, which is a legislative agency reporting to the Legislative Support Commission chaired by the Speaker of the House. The seven-member Commission …
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1190673651.html
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Dude... even your own wiki shows the leadership:
Leaders
Senate
President (list) • President pro tempore (list) • Majority and minority leaders • Assistant party leaders • Democratic Caucus (Chair • Secretary • Policy Committee Chair) • Republican Conference (Chair • Vice-Chair • Policy Committee Chair)
House
Speaker (list) • Majority and minority leaders • Party whips • Democratic Caucus • Republican Conference
Guess who the President of the Senate is?
The Vice President... (Feel free to click your own link if you like) Which is in the Executive Branch of government.
lol, no Tu, that is not showing the leadership of the Capitol Police, that chart is a partial overview of Congress. Just like "the media" portion of the chart is not part of the Capitol Police, lol.
Don't worry dude, it's common place on here to not want to simply admit, you don't know. You're not a student of government, so I probably should not have called you dumb. For that, I can admit I was wrong. :D
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I'm not confused, you are. You're confusing the way things are normally handled vs. the way things must be handled.
Nothing you posted demonstrates that a legislative body must defer to the executive for enforcement.
I gave you the U.S. Capitol Police as an example (which you're still unable to refute).
And I am educating myself - that's why I'm in my 2nd yr for my Master's in Government and why I know you're full of shit.
AGAIN, post ANY proof that a legislative body cannot enforce it's own laws.
Want a state example - look at Virginia Capitol Police. They do not fall under the executive:
Here is their police chief who was appointed by the legislature NOT the governor.
The Virginia State Police issued the following news release:
House of Delegates Speaker William J. Howell (R-Stafford) today announced the appointment of Virginia State Police Captain Kimberly S. Lettner to serve as Chief of Police for the Virginia Capitol Police. Colonel Lettner will assume her new post, effective January 5, 2007.
Lettner was selected for this leadership position by the General Assembly's Legislative Support Commission. The Chief of Police serves as the Chief Executive Officer of the Division of Capitol Police, which is a legislative agency reporting to the Legislative Support Commission chaired by the Speaker of the House. The seven-member Commission …
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1190673651.html
The US Constitution states in Article 2 Section 3:
- State of the Union, Convening Congress
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States
That states that the executive branch enforces the laws.
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lol, no Tu, that is not showing the leadership of the Capitol Police, that chart is a partial overview of Congress. Just like "the media" portion of the chart is not part of the Capitol Police, lol.
Don't worry dude, it's common place on here to not want to simply admit, you don't know. You're not a student of government, so I probably should not have called you dumb. For that, I can admit I was wrong. :D
I didn't say I knew... I said that according to everything anyone states about the executive branch of government that they are the people who enforce the laws... and I've responded with sites and quotes to back that statement up.
So while you may just go ahead and say "you know".
I don't see where you have provided anything more valid than what I have.
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I didn't say I knew... I said that according to everything anyone states about the executive branch of government that they are the people who enforce the laws... and I've responded with sites and quotes to back that statement up.
So while you may just go ahead and say "you know".
I don't see where you have provided anything more valid than what I have.
Again, the only thing you've shown is that the executive branch can enforce the laws.
Your claim is that the legislative branch cannot. I've provided two examples now where the legislative branch is enforcing the laws. You've yet to refute either.
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Again, the only thing you've shown is that the executive branch can enforce the laws.
Your claim is that the legislative branch cannot. I've provided two examples now where the legislative branch is enforcing the laws. You've yet to refute either.
I'm not claiming they can not... I'm claiming that the constitution doesn't give them direct power to do so.
Also, I do not see where the legislative branch is enforcing the laws... They authorize pay for the people doing the enforcement, but from my understanding, the police are not part of any branch of government, they are an agency inside of some municipality or are granted powers by an authority, but are not in any government branch at all.
That said, federal agencies are part of the executive branch including the FBI, the CIA and the Secret Service.
So, given my understanding of how things work, I'd say your two examples are not valid... They are appointing people to enforce and are authorizing pay, but they are not in fact enforcing laws and can not go tell someone to enforce a law specifically... Hence why the Wisconsin police are ignoring the Senate's order.
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Just heard on the news - legislature passed a law and gov signed it.
Its legit.
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I'm not claiming they can not... I'm claiming that the constitution doesn't give them direct power to do so.
Also, I do not see where the legislative branch is enforcing the laws... They authorize pay for the people doing the enforcement, but from my understanding, the police are not part of any branch of government, they are an agency inside of some municipality or are granted powers by an authority, but are not in any government branch at all.
That said, federal agencies are part of the executive branch including the FBI, the CIA and the Secret Service.
So, given my understanding of how things work, I'd say your two examples are not valid... They are appointing people to enforce and are authorizing pay, but they are not in fact enforcing laws and can not go tell someone to enforce a law specifically... Hence why the Wisconsin police are ignoring the Senate's order.
HUH? WTF? Seriously? You've got to be a Strawman gimmick. They create the laws, they appoint to people enforce the laws, they pay those people, those people are ACTUALLY enforcing the laws, but you're claiming it's not enforcement, lololol.
Oh brother...the lengths people will go to to avoid having to admit they're wrong.
And the Wisconsin police are apples and oranges. We, or at least I, don't know how they were set up and doubt you do. If the legislature in Wisconsin established the police and put them under the governor, then anybody can see why they might ignore the Senate.
And that was not your original claim. If you're changing your claim to constitutional police powers, then it gets into a whole issue of how are police powers defined, etc. This is your claim:
They have no legal right to "enforce" them.
They have every legal right to enforce them and do. By all means, go fire a gun on the Capitol rotunda and see if those laws, ENACTED by the LEGISLATURE are not being enforced by people APPOINTED by the LEGISLATURE who ANSWER to the LEGISLATURE and are PAID by the LEGISLATURE. ::)
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Just heard on the news - legislature passed a law and gov signed it.
Its legit.
333 you're an attorney. You should know this stuff.
What's the deal?
Is skip right?
I don't think he is, but you're an attorney. You'd know.
Can you explain please?
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333 you're an attorney. You should know this stuff.
What's the deal?
Is skip right?
I don't think he is, but you're an attorney. You'd know.
Can you explain please?
skip has provided proof that he is right holmes...
what part do you disagree with in the proof that he has shown?
what evidence do you have to believe he is wrong?
what evidence do you have to prove youre right?
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skip has provided proof that he is right holmes...
what part do you disagree with in the proof that he has shown?
what evidence do you have to believe he is wrong?
what evidence do you have to prove youre right?
I have shown equally as much proof in my opinion.
That's all.
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I have shown equally as much proof in my opinion.
That's all.
You haven't shown any proof to support your claim. The only thing you've proved is the executive can enforce the law - and that's not even up for contention.
Your claim is the legislative cannot enforce laws, and I've shown you where they do. By all means show that they can't. Don't bob, dodge, and weave and show that the executive can enforce laws - that's a given. Show where the legislative cannot.
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I'll actually be down at the capitol in a couple of weeks. I'll let all those officers know they're a bunch of facists according to Tu. :D
Alright, I'm getting dopey this late at night.
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You haven't shown any proof to support your claim. The only thing you've proved is the executive can enforce the law - and that's not even up for contention.
Your claim is the legislative cannot enforce laws, and I've shown you where they do. By all means show that they can't. Don't bob, dodge, and weave and show that the executive can enforce laws - that's a given. Show where the legislative cannot.
There is absolutely no article written that specifies that legislative branches have the power to enforce laws.
Show me where there is.
You are stating that because they appropriate Chiefs that they are enforcing laws and my claim is that they do not... No lawyer will agree with you and you know this.
There is no enforcement of law by any legislative branch.
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The gov is enforcing the law the legislature passed.
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I'll actually be down at the capitol in a couple of weeks. I'll let all those officers know they're a bunch of facists according to Tu. :D
Alright, I'm getting dopey this late at night.
If they follow this illegal order, then yes... they are fascists... feel free to tell them so.
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The gov is enforcing the law the legislature passed.
What is the law exactly... I'm still reading things and there are a lot of lawyers coming out.
Tell me still 333386, can the legislative branch enforce laws?
Sounds to me that even in this instance they are asking someone else to enforce the laws and they are simply creating the laws... Just as I stated.
They aren't enforcing law at all... They are asking someone else to do so.
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Also, and I'm sure another lawyer can verify this... But aren't congressional power specified?
For instance, they can not simply do something just because it isn't specifically denied... So because they aren't denied the power to enforce law, doesn't give them specific right to do so.
I thought powers were specified.
Here are the powers afforded to congress.
Section 8 - Powers of Congress
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
I don't see any enforcement of laws there... Are you saying that just because it's not listed, that they can still do it anyway?
That completely defeats the checks and balances of our government and I can't believe you think this is how it is designed.
Where is the lawyer here? We have one... he reads the thread, he's posted on it... What's the verdict?
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The senate probably has authority to pass rules governing conduct of the senate.
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The senate probably has authority to pass rules governing conduct of the senate.
Does passing rules equal law enforcement?
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Don't know - but what if other state employees did the same thing? What would happen to them?
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Don't know - but what if other state employees did the same thing? What would happen to them?
They would and should be fired. Just like these democrats should.
Question though, is there something different between this and abstaining from a vote?
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Don't know. Probably no precedent for this type of thing.
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Don't know. Probably no precedent for this type of thing.
I appreciate your legally knowledgable post regarding this situation.
What do you think regarding the legality of the legislative branch of government actually enforcing law?
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Unfortunately it only applies if they are IN Wisconsin. Can't 'arrest' them if they're over the boarder. It has been reported that some of them have been "spotted" at their homes occasionally. One of them is a woman who is 8 mos. pregnant.
1500 layoff notices go out tomorrow because of their lack of foresight ::)
Are you referring to the teacher layoffs that Walker says he will have to pass out if these benefit cuts dont go through? Man, the shit is really going to hit the fan if that happens.
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I appreciate your legally knowledgable post regarding this situation.
What do you think regarding the legality of the legislative branch of government actually enforcing law?
The executive branch enforces the law because the cops are part of the excecutive branch. However, in this case the legislature isn't really enforcing the law. The Gov wants the cops to do this anyway-- all the legislature did was give him an avenue to take action in an extraordinary situation.
Regardless, keep in mind that the US constitution acts as a minimum ceiling for the political systems of each state. State legislatures only have to act within the margains of the constitution; they must pass laws and do other things that are within the providence of the federal constitution-- but they also may exceed the bounds of the constitution just as long as they do not do less than the constitution requires (for example, in criminal matters a state may have protections for defendants that go beyond Miranda rights or the 6th amendment). In addition to that, someone would have to sue on the state and ( most likely) the federal level after the democratic cowards are arrested and returned. Otherwise there is no case or controversey to speak of because nothing allegedly unconstitutional would have yet taken place. Bottom line, a case like that could take years to resolve and in the end, how ridiculous are the state senators going to look for suing because they were forced to do their jobs?
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Just heard on the news - legislature passed a law and gov signed it.
Its legit.
A Wisconsin judge ruled that the 14 Dem senators are in contempt. That's the teeth behind the Senate's passage of the law to arrest them.
The layoff notices go out TODAY.
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Meanwhile, in Ohio........(See my new thread)
;D
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Politics
March 03, 2011
Plot Uncovered! Dems Fled Wisconsin to Buy Time to Pass New Union Contracts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2683114/posts
By Bryan Polcyn, FOX6 reporter
WITI-TV, MADISON — Before protesters stormed the capitol, the mayor of the city of Madison tried to pull a fast one. The governor's budget repair bill was on the fast track, and Madison Mayor Dave Ciesliewicz was racing against the clock to pass new union contracts first.
E-mails obtained by the FOX6 Investigators show that the mayor enlisted the help of State Senator Mark Miller. They both tried to convince the Secretary of State to hold up the bill by taking the maximum 10 days allowed by law before publishing the bill.
They were trying to buy some time so they could ratify new contracts to protect workers from benefit cuts.
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Politics
March 03, 2011
Plot Uncovered! Dems Fled Wisconsin to Buy Time to Pass New Union Contracts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2683114/posts
By Bryan Polcyn, FOX6 reporter
WITI-TV, MADISON — Before protesters stormed the capitol, the mayor of the city of Madison tried to pull a fast one. The governor's budget repair bill was on the fast track, and Madison Mayor Dave Ciesliewicz was racing against the clock to pass new union contracts first.
E-mails obtained by the FOX6 Investigators show that the mayor enlisted the help of State Senator Mark Miller. They both tried to convince the Secretary of State to hold up the bill by taking the maximum 10 days allowed by law before publishing the bill.
They were trying to buy some time so they could ratify new contracts to protect workers from benefit cuts.
BUSTED!!!
Now, round those fools up and cuff 'em to their chairs, until this vote is passed.
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FYI did you see how these animals left rounds of live ammo at the capitol building?
What happened to civility?
They caused millions in property damage, shut down the state legislature, cheated the tax payer and their children, held up the most offensive and inappropriate signs they could find, used physical violence and intimidation and left live ammo==> Where the fuck is the media?
If the tea party people did 1/10th of that garbage, every homo in the MSM who has their tongue up Obama's unwashed ass would be jumping ugly and calling for the national guard. When these cockroaches do it, its glossed over and ignored.
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Being a left wing commie means never having to admit you are wrong.
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FYI did you see how these animals left rounds of live ammo at the capitol building?
What happened to civility?
They caused millions in property damage, shut down the state legislature, cheated the tax payer and their children, held up the most offensive and inappropriate signs they could find, used physical violence and intimidation and left live ammo==> Where the fuck is the media?
If the tea party people did 1/10th of that garbage, every homo in the MSM who has their tongue up Obama's unwashed ass would be jumping ugly and calling for the national guard. When these cockroaches do it, its glossed over and ignored.
You mean like a Dem assemblyman, screaming "YOU'RE F&#$) DEAD!!!" to one of his GOP counterparts (a woman, no less).
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Yeah. This is a pretty fucked situation. Those Dems that rolled out should definitely be removed from office.
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There is absolutely no article written that specifies that legislative branches have the power to enforce laws.
Show me where there is.
You are stating that because they appropriate Chiefs that they are enforcing laws and my claim is that they do not... No lawyer will agree with you and you know this.
There is no enforcement of law by any legislative branch.
You're clueless.
I gave you the Virginia Capitol Police as an example. Show you where?
IT'S RIGHT ON THEIR FUCKING WEBSITE
They're a legislative agency that enforces laws.
http://www.vcp.state.va.us/org_duties.htm
It's really not that hard.
Let me guess - now you know more than the police themselves. ::)
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Read the pics above. If you still don't get it, I can't make it any simpler.
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Read the pics above. If you still don't get it, I can't make it any simpler.
Racist post reported.
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You're clueless.
I gave you the Virginia Capitol Police as an example. Show you where?
IT'S RIGHT ON THEIR FUCKING WEBSITE
They're a legislative agency that enforces laws.
http://www.vcp.state.va.us/org_duties.htm
It's really not that hard.
Let me guess - now you know more than the police themselves. ::)
Have you talked to cops. Odds are I do.
I know the people who write those websites as I used to manage those servers.
Most are written by some secretary. So yeah. I know more than her... You think a cop or a lawyer actually writes that?
Hah!
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Yes, my brother's a cop.
You don't know shit about the issue. You're 3rd grade understanding is painfully obvious when you have to ask questions like whether or not congressional powers have to be specified. ::)
Maybe you should give your provacative knowledge to the state of Nevada. They actually have a definition for legislative police:
NRS 289.210 Legislative police. A legislative police officer of the State of Nevada has the powers of a peace officer when carrying out duties prescribed by the Legislative Commission.
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-289.html#NRS289Sec210
Good thing only the executive can enforce the law...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
As I said earlier:
Oh brother...the lengths people will go to to avoid having to admit they're wrong.
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Yes, my brother's a cop.
You don't know shit about the issue. You're 3rd grade understanding is painfully obvious when you have to ask questions like whether or not congressional powers have to be specified. ::)
Maybe you should give your provacative knowledge to the state of Nevada. They actually have a definition for legislative police:
NRS 289.210 Legislative police. A legislative police officer of the State of Nevada has the powers of a peace officer when carrying out duties prescribed by the Legislative Commission.
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/nrs/NRS-289.html#NRS289Sec210
Good thing only the executive can enforce the law...
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
As I said earlier:
That is the first real proof you've provided. I stand corrected.
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That is the first real proof you've provided. I stand corrected.
Gotta admit, I'm shocked. I thought for sure that you and Strawman were the same account.
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Gotta admit, I'm shocked. I thought for sure that you and Strawman were the same account.
Then you just haven't been paying attention.