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Lately i've been thinking that protien powders and high protiend diets are only useful if you are juiced.
If you are natural, I think you end up just shitting most of that protien right back out and your body doesn't put it to use.
I think this whole idea that "You need lots of protien to gain muscle" is bullshit. More snake oil from the supp industry to make us spend out money on their pills and powders.
Naturals. Just eat a nice balanced diet. You don't need tons of protien.
Juicers. You guys can use that protien, you go ahead and eat your 300 grams per day.
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well protein powder is my main source of protein and i'm natural
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well protein powder is my main source of protein and i'm natural
I'm not talking about protien powders specifically, i'm talking protien in general.
I think most natural bodybuilders could consume a normal amount of protien and still grow all the same. 40-80 grams is good enough. No need to go for like 200 or 300 grams as a natural.
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I disagree.... High protein diets have gotten a bad rep recently, but I still believe in them 100%....
I know you don't believe me when I say I'm a natural, but I really am lol... and I take in about 300 g right now, and trying to up to to 350 or even 400!
I think it makes a WORLD of a difference to take in High Protein! I see much better/faster gains!
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Balanced diet works for me. I'm sitting at ~195lbs with visible abs at 5'10, and I don't gorge myself on protein. I'm lucky if I get 140-50g a day, and I've had no problem increasing lean bodyweight. Lots of fruit, veggies, nuts, fish. I shit twice a day. Like clockwork, first thing in the morning and again around 3pm.
Lately i've been thinking that protien powders and high protiend diets are only useful if you are juiced.
If you are natural, I think you end up just shitting most of that protien right back out and your body doesn't put it to use.
I think this whole idea that "You need lots of protien to gain muscle" is bullshit. More snake oil from the supp industry to make us spend out money on their pills and powders.
Naturals. Just eat a nice balanced diet. You don't need tons of protien.
Juicers. You guys can use that protien, you go ahead and eat your 300 grams per day.
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Juiced or natty, needs to be higher than the current pussy recommendation. But it doesn't need to be anywhere near what Liar Dante proposes.
Did mega protein for years thinking it helped, but I had the same results when I scaled it back. I drink one or two shakes a day because I genuinely like protein powders, then a big protein meal or two. Badda bing, badda boom.
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I disagree.... High protein diets have gotten a bad rep recently, but I still believe in them 100%....
I know you don't believe me when I say I'm a natural, but I really am lol... and I take in about 300 g right now, and trying to up to to 350 or even 400!
I think it makes a WORLD of a difference to take in High Protein! I see much better/faster gains!
Eating that kind of diet is just fucking nasty anyway. The farts, the bloating, taxxing your kidneys, lots of shitting, constantly eating like a pig, feeling heavy in the midsection and unhealthy. Fuck all that shit, I did it for a while.
Now i'll eat 3x per day like a normal human being.
Also. you ain't natural. You have hormones in your system which allow you to put that protien to good use in your body.
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I disagree.... High protein diets have gotten a bad rep recently, but I still believe in them 100%....
I know you don't believe me when I say I'm a natural, but I really am lol... and I take in about 300 g right now, and trying to up to to 350 or even 400!
I think it makes a WORLD of a difference to take in High Protein! I see much better/faster gains!
only when horminized friend,,only when hormonized,,for natural it wont matter and wont make slight difference ,,i trained much better talented fellas than you ,,italian stalions,,still coudnt break 180 9% with out halodrol steroid product or something of the such,,they were just 180 9-10% all of them ,,,5'9 5'10 ,,they just couldnt get past 180 185 10percent with out the use of hormones,,so many and way more gifted than youll ever be ,,they had not the middle east shawarma genetic but they had italian solid dry and lean genetic with not much water held and very little fat,,and even they couldnt get pas 180 9% and 5;10!!! ,,not possible for natural,,and they ate all the kitchen upside down and guess what...they shitted is in the morning 6 times before they even yawned!
dont lie to those fellas,,your need to hide the truth is understood but its real bad when you choose to do this,,they need to knwo the truth,,they need to know that the only way to look like you offseason or competition atleast from picture i see is to do somewhat of hormoniaition ,,doesnt have to be mega dose or anything but some hormonization and yes PRO HORMONE HALODROL AND SUPERDROL = PURE STEROIDS 2 OF THE STRONGEST ONES..anyone who eat 400gram protien a day as true natural will sit in restroom with big big diareah ,,and also will have problem with digestive system on regular basis from farts to other comlications ,,human body doesnt want it naturally even on hormones no need for more than 2gram per pound of lean muscle unless on mega doses of hgh then its little different
and what you use dont call pro hormones ,,it is the market name for them but the real name is DEISGNER STEROIDS WHICH IS LEGAL TERM FOR ANABOLIC STEROIDS THAT HASNT BEEN BANNED BUT LATEER ON DID ,,HARSHEST AND STRONGEST SHIT IN ORAL DEPARTMENT ,,BUT you used more than that
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only when horminized friend,,only when hormonized,,for natural it wont matter and wont make slight difference ,,i trained much better talented fellas than you ,,italian stalions,,still coudnt break 180 9% with out halodrol steroid product or something of the such,,they were just 180 9-10% all of them ,,,5'9 5'10 ,,they just couldnt get past 180 185 10percent with out the use of hormones,,so many and way more gifted than youll ever be ,,they had not the middle east shawarma genetic but they had italian solid dry and lean genetic with not much water held and very little fat,,and even they couldnt get pas 180 9% and 5;10!!! ,,not possible for natural,,and they ate all the kitchen upside down and guess what...they shitted is in the morning 6 times before they even yawned!
dont lie to those fellas,,your need to hide the truth is understood but its real bad when you choose to do this,,they need to knwo the truth,,they need to know that the only way to look like you offseason or competition atleast from picture i see is to do somewhat of hormoniaition ,,doesnt have to be mega dose or anything but some hormonization and yes PRO HORMONE HALODROL AND SUPERDROL = PURE STEROIDS 2 OF THE STRONGEST ONES
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Exactly.
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Eating that kind of diet is just fucking nasty anyway. The farts, the bloating, taxxing your kidneys, lots of shitting, constantly eating like a pig, feeling heavy in the midsection and unhealthy. Fuck all that shit, I did it for a while.
That is true, I get soooo gassy when I'm taking in a ton of protein, and running to the bathroom ever half hour! But the gains come faster I always feel!
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A few years ago, I was eating 18 egg white 6 yolks a day. Did that for about 3 days, didn't shit for about 5 days. The gut discomfort was unforgettable. Felt like using a plumbers snake up my arse to get things moving.
Eating that kind of diet is just fucking nasty anyway. The farts, the bloating, taxxing your kidneys, lots of shitting, constantly eating like a pig, feeling heavy in the midsection and unhealthy. Fuck all that shit, I did it for a while.
Now i'll eat 3x per day like a normal human being.
Also. you ain't natural. You have hormones in your system which allow you to put that protien to good use in your body.
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A few years ago, I was eating 18 egg white 6 yolks a day. Did that for about 3 days, didn't shit for about 5 days. The gut discomfort was unforgettable. Felt like using a plumbers snake up my arse to get things moving.
Try a hot water enema with a little salt in it.
As an added bonus, You might have a prostate orgasm and squirt jizz all over yourself ;)
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Extra calories that aren't used can still convert to fat. I really don't care what teh "studies" show. It's a fact. Been there, did that.
Extra protein = Bullshit
Extra Protein with synthetic exogenous ingestion = optimal usage of juice (more gains)
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they had not the middle east shawarma genetic
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHA HHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Best protein Deca nuff said
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Juiced or natty, needs to be higher than the current pussy recommendation. But it doesn't need to be anywhere near what Liar Dante proposes.
Did mega protein for years thinking it helped, but I had the same results when I scaled it back. I drink one or two shakes a day because I genuinely like protein powders, then a big protein meal or two. Badda bing, badda boom.
I think most people go through this same thing.
I also think a lot of people are too afraid to lower the protein. We somehow get the idea that everything must be optimal, and we won't make any sacrifice no matter how ridiculous our lives become. Whether it's eating 550 grams of protein a day, 6500+ calories, doing tons of working sets, doing two working sets, working out every day, working out three days a week... there is a period in most bodybuilders' lives where they become convinced each of these (often contradictory) things are essential, and are terrified to cut back on them even slightly.
And yes, at some point, I was convinced that every one of those things I listed was essential.
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I eat around 300.534324995239874 when on and 230.14678-250.43510894 when off.
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well protein powder is my main source of protein and i'm natural
no you are not ;D
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no you are not ;D
Do you mean hes as natural as two men walking hand-to-hand down the street?
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Do you mean hes as natural as two men walking hand-to-hand down the street?
He is as natural as cock flavoured popsicles
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He is as natural as cock flavoured popsicles
hmmm, i might be wrong but you mean that "ygbodybuilder10" is the kind of guy who whores himself on cam to afford his "main source of protein"?
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I think this whole idea that "You need lots of protien to gain muscle" is bullshit. More snake oil from the supp industry to make us spend out money on their pills and powders.
I agree. All the supplement industries try to convince you that you're desperately deficient, or unable to utilize it. It's all about being rational about it. You didn't need protein supplements to grow up into adulthood and the metabolic demands for that is much greater.
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You don't need that much.
High protein is pushed by almost everyone because they all benefit financially in some way. Magazines, Retailers, Suppliers etc.
Until you try something yourself you never know.
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Eating that kind of diet is just fucking nasty anyway. The farts, the bloating, taxxing your kidneys, lots of shitting, constantly eating like a pig, feeling heavy in the midsection and unhealthy. Fuck all that shit, I did it for a while.
Now i'll eat 3x per day like a normal human being.
yes and muscle gaining wise it doesnt matter shit
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During the summer I got caught up in this 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight mantra, and it didn't do jack shit for me. Later, I said fuck it, and just ate "normally" which was closer to .5 grams per bodyweight, and guess what? I got bigger, particularly my chest and back. Lesson learned: HARD AND CONSISTANT TRAINING IS KING, while "diet" means fuck all and only plays about a 5% role while effective training, ie. progressive overload plays a role of 95% and maybe even up to 98%
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I think after a certain point as a natural when you get closer to your genetic limit that protein powders really start to give diminishing returns, but to say back off of high protein is definitely not a good approach. I'm of the opinion that during those early times developing naturally that protein powder supplemented in with your solid food intake is incredibly beneficial, but once you hit that point where your body has pretty peaked as far as it can go without pharmaceutical grade assistance I believe you can cut the protein powder out and just eat solid foods entirely to get your protein intake in.
I think most natural bodybuilders could consume a normal amount of protien and still grow all the same. 40-80 grams is good enough. No need to go for like 200 or 300 grams as a natural.
If you only need 80g of protein as a natural male you are either new to training, a midget, or train like a kitten.
Naturals. Just eat a nice balanced diet. You don't need tons of protien.
I agree with this and also disagree with this. Correct, eat a balanced diet BUT if you actually train like you mean it then you will need a lot more protein than a normal person who goes to the gym 3x a week, does a few chest presses, and walks on the treadmill for 30 minutes. It's seriously all about getting what your body needs, so the high protein thing is a wash for most, but a must for the people that are serious. Eat what your body needs and how you train/rest will dictate that.
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Lately i've been thinking that protien powders and high protiend diets are only useful if you are juiced.
If you are natural, I think you end up just shitting most of that protien right back out and your body doesn't put it to use.
I think this whole idea that "You need lots of protien to gain muscle" is bullshit. More snake oil from the supp industry to make us spend out money on their pills and powders.
Naturals. Just eat a nice balanced diet. You don't need tons of protien.
Juicers. You guys can use that protien, you go ahead and eat your 300 grams per day.
I beg to differ. I didn't get over 200 lbs, until I bumped my protein up to just under 300 grams of protein. I went 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight back in college, when I weighed 189 lbs. My goal was to get to 200 lbs by semester's end. I ended up at 210.
When I went home that summer, my mother was in SHOCK and so were my friends. They almost didn't recognize me.
As for steroids, PLEASE!! Back in those days, I could barely afford weight gainer. In fact, the only supplement I could consistently buy outside of Mega Mass 2000 was that GNC's old Challenge Milk and Egg Protein (buy one; get one 50% off).
People don't want to eat high calories and high protein; then, they whine about being "hardgainers".
The way I see it, just as Ronnie Coleman said, Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder; but don't nobody want to lift no heavy-@$$ weight!!", the same hold true for diet and nutrition. Don't nobody want to eat no heavy-@$$ food (in terms of quality and QUANTITY, especially protein).
Is it for everybody? NO! But, dollars to donuts, more people (especially the self-proclaimed hardgainers) would get better results, if they actually put their noses to their grindstone and their faces to the plates (and/or to the shaker).
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He is as natural as cock flavoured popsicles
Something you will find is taking up a lot of room in Blackfags freezer...he gets his 40 - 80gms straight from the tap
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A few years ago, I was eating 18 egg white 6 yolks a day. Did that for about 3 days, didn't shit for about 5 days. The gut discomfort was unforgettable. Felt like using a plumbers snake up my arse to get things moving.
Ever heard of vegetables?
;D
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I disagree.... High protein diets have gotten a bad rep recently, but I still believe in them 100%....
I know you don't believe me when I say I'm a natural, but I really am lol... and I take in about 300 g right now, and trying to up to to 350 or even 400!
I think it makes a WORLD of a difference to take in High Protein! I see much better/faster gains!
I personally disagree....the whole high protein thing...way overblown. I did the whole 375gms of protein a day thing....didnt do more for me than eating 270 - 280gms per day. In fact, I feel less sluggish doing less protein. No disrespect, but I would imagine that you think if you ate less protein you will shrivel right up and be 150lbs?
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I personally disagree....the whole high protein thing...way overblown. I did the whole 375gms of protein a day thing....didnt do more for me than eating 270 - 280gms per day. In fact, I feel less sluggish doing less protein. No disrespect, but I would imagine that you think if you ate less protein you will shrivel right up and be 150lbs?
Define "high". The rule of thumb is usually 1 gram per pound of bodyweight. Would "high" be 1.25 grams/lb? 1.5 grams/lb? 2 grams/lb?
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I think most people go through this same thing.
I also think a lot of people are too afraid to lower the protein. We somehow get the idea that everything must be optimal, and we won't make any sacrifice no matter how ridiculous our lives become. Whether it's eating 550 grams of protein a day, 6500+ calories, doing tons of working sets, doing two working sets, working out every day, working out three days a week... there is a period in most bodybuilders' lives where they become convinced each of these (often contradictory) things are essential, and are terrified to cut back on them even slightly.
And yes, at some point, I was convinced that every one of those things I listed was essential.
trust me friends,,once you actualy find true real trenbolona,,that not many use ,,many use shit powder that is bunk or underdose,,but once that you find it like the ones who turn top amatuer and pro ....you will see you can train every day alomst,,you will see your body ned only 4 -5 hour sleep like arnold used to say...yes think about it harder arnold remeber his saying of he only need 5 hours..its because he was hooked on that hsit mid 70s,,once you find real trenbolona you wil knwo it and you will understand what a diff one drug can make on a bodybuild,,
it is everything
TRENBOLONA
GH
TESTOSTERONA
legit all a must
a bodybuild who you saee going in and out gym every day almost 5 times a week going all out most time,,45 min every single day intense training especialy on prep is on TONS of legit trenbolona,,it hyper him ,,get him very high ,,make him a very annoying person for his other significant half ,,and grow his muscle lean and into conditiion in super time,,trust me whan i say there are many bodybuild that every single day inject trenbolona 2 times morning and night 100-200mg every inject ,,that bodybuild can train whenever he want how ever he want ,,ofcourse rest time matter and it good to train 5 day a week ,,but in general ,,,bodybuild on legit trenbolona ,LEGIT one who takes time to find very good powder....that bodybuild will get far in bodybuild wether first local compeititon or regional,,from then on it will be the dose of hgh he can afford with the treubolona to make him into a faud or one of the fellas you all like to talk about which ofcourse are all and only drugs,,they just had good hook up friends,,thats all ,,good hook up with good good cook
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just so it clear you can eat 200gram protien a day and grow lean with absolitly zero problem if 200lb bodybuild if on legit trenbolona and testosterona,,you will grow lean ,,lose body fat ,,and get in super condition into the 8% within 2 months of constant trenbolona usage if you are the average 13% bodyfat bodybuild,,ofcourse hgh will make it all 3 dimention super fast and keep all your size on you with out losing even 1/10 of an inch ,,the all protien argument is balonie,,many of us wake up in the morning and sit on computer for 1-2 hours with out even touching protien ,,maybe eat some carbs,,trenbolona doesnt let you lose muscle ,,real trenbolona grow bodybuilder the end,,gh make it into mutation the more you take ,,and insulin creates branch warrens which ofcourse ruiined bodybuild
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Define "high". The rule of thumb is usually 1 gram per pound of bodyweight. Would "high" be 1.25 grams/lb? 1.5 grams/lb? 2 grams/lb?
For me, the "high" would be some guy who competes at 180 - 190 eating 350gms+ As much as I like Beverly International as far as really focusing more on the drug free side of things....they STILL talk about shit like that. I lowered my protein intake (almost needed therapy to do so...lol) and feel better. I think 1.25 - 1.5 gm/lb of LEAN is a good number. Thats just my personal thoughts and beliefs.
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For those of you who are interested in seeing what a twink can do check out my 3 phase project in the training logs. This project will officially start later on this week, with starting ab photos and the start of the 1st phase of my project, which will be the Get Lean Phase. The plan is to drop 2% bodyfat per week until I'm sitting at a legit sub-7
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Im glad to read that some people on this board actually have some brain : )
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trust me friends,,once you actualy find true real trenbolona,,that not many use ,,many use shit powder that is bunk or underdose,,but once that you find it like the ones who turn top amatuer and pro ....you will see you can train every day alomst,,you will see your body ned only 4 -5 hour sleep like arnold used to say...yes think about it harder arnold remeber his saying of he only need 5 hours..its because he was hooked on that hsit mid 70s,,once you find real trenbolona you wil knwo it and you will understand what a diff one drug can make on a bodybuild,,
it is everything
TRENBOLONA
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about week 2 after starting tren i get a nervous energy. i train twice a day and go from set to set to set without fatiguing. my sleep is fucked, but the sleep thing kicks in in the first week for me normally.
the amazing thing about it is how MUCH you can train on tren. im usually hitting each body part twice a week on it. thats a lot of volume. its the only compound that makes me train this way.
far and above my favourite compound.
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For me, the "high" would be some guy who competes at 180 - 190 eating 350gms+ As much as I like Beverly International as far as really focusing more on the drug free side of things....they STILL talk about shit like that. I lowered my protein intake (almost needed therapy to do so...lol) and feel better. I think 1.25 - 1.5 gm/lb of LEAN is a good number. Thats just my personal thoughts and beliefs.
Back in the day, I'd go with 1.5 grams/lb of bodyweight (overall). If you're skinny and training to get bigger, it's better (in my view) to err on the side of more protein, not less.
When I weighed 189, I started consuming about 280 grams of protein (about half of which came from my weight gainer shakes, due to time constraints). It worked pretty well.
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id like to see pics of some of the twinks claiming they made gains on 3 meals per day, with next to no protein,, utter rubbish
natty or juiced you need to eat like a bodybuilder if you want to look like one, it isnt rocket science, i dont agree with the daft excessive amounts dante and others preach, but for fucks sake get a grip, you do need extra cals and protein above average at least
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trust me friends,,once you actualy find true real trenbolona,,that not many use ,,many use shit powder that is bunk or underdose,,but once that you find it like the ones who turn top amatuer and pro ....you will see you can train every day alomst,,you will see your body ned only 4 -5 hour sleep like arnold used to say...yes think about it harder arnold remeber his saying of he only need 5 hours..its because he was hooked on that hsit mid 70s,,once you find real trenbolona you wil knwo it and you will understand what a diff one drug can make on a bodybuild,,
it is everything
TRENBOLONA
GH
TESTOSTERONA
legit all a must
a bodybuild who you saee going in and out gym every day almost 5 times a week going all out most time,,45 min every single day intense training especialy on prep is on TONS of legit trenbolona,,it hyper him ,,get him very high ,,make him a very annoying person for his other significant half ,,and grow his muscle lean and into conditiion in super time,,trust me whan i say there are many bodybuild that every single day inject trenbolona 2 times morning and night 100-200mg every inject ,,that bodybuild can train whenever he want how ever he want ,,ofcourse rest time matter and it good to train 5 day a week ,,but in general ,,,bodybuild on legit trenbolona ,LEGIT one who takes time to find very good powder....that bodybuild will get far in bodybuild wether first local compeititon or regional,,from then on it will be the dose of hgh he can afford with the treubolona to make him into a faud or one of the fellas you all like to talk about which ofcourse are all and only drugs,,they just had good hook up friends,,thats all ,,good hook up with good good cook
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Can you explain why tren kills your cardio? It gets to the point where I get winded just walking up a flight of stairs. And it's the same whethr form UG of brewing fina.
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id like to see pics of some of the twinks claiming they made gains on 3 meals per day, with next to no protein,, utter rubbish
natty or juiced you need to eat like a bodybuilder if you want to look like one, it isnt rocket science, i dont agree with the daft excessive amounts dante and others preach, but for fucks sake get a grip, you do need extra cals and protein above average at least
dude, take pics of all those who say you dont need 'x' protein, and put them beside those of guys who say you do need 'x' protein.
nuff said.
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dude, take pics of all those who say you dont need 'x' protein, and put them beside those of guys who say you do need 'x' protein.
nuff said.
...exactly
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For those of you who are interested in seeing what a twink can do check out my 3 phase project in the training logs. This project will officially start later on this week, with starting ab photos and the start of the 1st phase of my project, which will be the Get Lean Phase. The plan is to drop 2% bodyfat per week until I'm sitting at a legit sub-7
Yah, were all pretty fascinated about your training routine. 2% per week? How exactly are you going to measure this. BTW how is your 17inch arm at 6% coming along? Just keep adding weight every workout and get stronger and stronger day by day and add muscle after every workout. sounds great but if you could jsut back up one, just one, of you calims then people might stat taking you seriously. We already have pics of those massive guns you post maybe about 4-5 week ago maybe you can post another more recent shot. you probably have put on at least a half inch by now in addition to being leanr.
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dude, take pics of all those who say you dont need 'x' protein, and put them beside those of guys who say you do need 'x' protein.
nuff said.
Basile says that all hyou need is 25 grams of protien a day. says it's been know for decades. One look at him is proof enough.,
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This whole BBing is a scam! You don't have to follow any diet and you don't have to train with expensive weights and other equipments to be a muscular, shredded to the bone pussy magnet!!!! But in this case why does every office worker, who eats donuts and pizza and works out through the corporate gym membership 2x per week look like shit??? ???
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Probably because these office workers don't train hard enough. If they trained very hard, and just as importantly, made steady progress with their training (doing more reps with more weight) then they will look better. FACT
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Probably because these office workers don't train hard enough. If they trained very hard, and just as importantly, made steady progress with their training (doing more reps with more weight) then they will look better. FACT
And if they trained brutally hard damaging their muscle tissue, 50 g protein - the building blocks of muscles - per day would be enough to "repair" those "microtears"? Serious question! ???
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I'm not sure about 50 grams of protein, but 100 grams would be more than enough for repairing and rebuilding the damaged muscle tissue. During the 1st phase of my 3 phase project I will only consume about 40 grams of protein daily and will not consume more than 800 cals daily, and probably even closer to 600 cals. I will follow a cycle diet with 3 and a half days of ultra lo cals cycled with 1 and a half days of normal cal intake (roughly 2000 to 2500 cals). Yes, I will probably lose a little bit of muscle during this phase, but it won't be a problem coz I will quickly gain back whatever muscle that I lost during the 2nd phase.
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I'm not sure about 50 grams of protein, but 100 grams would be more than enough for repairing and rebuilding the damaged muscle tissue. During the 1st phase of my 3 phase project I will only consume about 40 grams of protein daily and will not consume more than 800 cals daily, and probably even closer to 600 cals. I will follow a cycle diet with 3 and a half days of ultra lo cals cycled with 1 and a half days of normal cal intake (roughly 2000 to 2500 cals). Yes, I will probably lose a little bit of muscle during this phase, but it won't be a problem coz I will quickly gain back whatever muscle that I lost during the 2nd phase.
dude you're becoming the next fat panda.
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30-40 grams w/each meal works for me , add carbs for gaining weight ,drop carbs for losing weight.
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I like the simplicity in that,
how many meals a day do you eat?
Usually 5 , 6 if I want to gain weight
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Usually 5 , 6 if I want to gain weight
How old are you man?
That Jerry Curl picture of you looked like it must have been from the 80's. Are you like 50 years old?
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How old are you man?
That Jerry Curl picture of you looked like it must have been from the 80's. Are you like 50 years old?
I just turned 61
(http://image28.webshots.com/28/6/3/52/274260352GmVKyN_ph.jpg)
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30-40 grams w/each meal works for me , add carbs for gaining weight ,drop carbs for losing weight.
exactly.. i eat 40-50 grams per meal, but only eat every 4-5 hours. i eat carbs after my workouts.
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Not exactly, coz you see fatpanda was only "blah-blah-blah" with ZERO results to show for his efforts. I will back what I say with visual proof, and it will happen VERY QUICKLY (at least the 1st phase will, my shredding phase). I'm absolutly certain that I will hit sub-7 within a 4 week time frame. It is a done deal. But the 2nd phase, spot gaining in my arms while staying relatively lean, not going above 10% is gonna be more tricky, and it will be a learning experience for me.
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOL - I was gonna quote those exact same words.
Shawarma....
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and i garentee you that even on shawarma ! ,,if take enoguh legit trenbolona every day in the 100s of mgs....you will get to where the best are and it si competetive stage,,so shawarma or not shwarma the key point is legit trenbolona that is taken every day for long time,,
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30 years ago no one was useing supps. it was all good food and juice. the end. I eat lean meat daily watch my carb intake and try to eat clean. Sitting at 275 @ 12bf not bad for a on again off again lifter
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I just turned 61
(http://image28.webshots.com/28/6/3/52/274260352GmVKyN_ph.jpg)
How come your pics never come out?
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id like to see pics of some of the twinks claiming they made gains on 3 meals per day, with next to no protein,, utter rubbish
natty or juiced you need to eat like a bodybuilder if you want to look like one, it isnt rocket science, i dont agree with the daft excessive amounts dante and others preach, but for fucks sake get a grip, you do need extra cals and protein above average at least
Well mass does comes out of thin air you know ::)
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How come your pics never come out?
hey bro Just post ppics of your kick ass carcass Your an inspiration to anyone who lives the lifestyle of a BB
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id like to see pics of some of the twinks claiming they made gains on 3 meals per day, with next to no protein,, utter rubbish
natty or juiced you need to eat like a bodybuilder if you want to look like one, it isnt rocket science, i dont agree with the daft excessive amounts dante and others preach, but for fucks sake get a grip, you do need extra cals and protein above average at least
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only when horminized friend,,only when hormonized,,for natural it wont matter and wont make slight difference ,,i trained much better talented fellas than you ,,italian stalions,,still coudnt break 180 9% with out halodrol steroid product or something of the such,,they were just 180 9-10% all of them ,,,5'9 5'10 ,,they just couldnt get past 180 185 10percent with out the use of hormones,,so many and way more gifted than youll ever be ,,they had not the middle east shawarma genetic but they had italian solid dry and lean genetic with not much water held and very little fat,,and even they couldnt get pas 180 9% and 5;10!!! ,,not possible for natural,,and they ate all the kitchen upside down and guess what...they shitted is in the morning 6 times before they even yawned!
dont lie to those fellas,,your need to hide the truth is understood but its real bad when you choose to do this,,they need to knwo the truth,,they need to know that the only way to look like you offseason or competition atleast from picture i see is to do somewhat of hormoniaition ,,doesnt have to be mega dose or anything but some hormonization and yes PRO HORMONE HALODROL AND SUPERDROL = PURE STEROIDS 2 OF THE STRONGEST ONES..anyone who eat 400gram protien a day as true natural will sit in restroom with big big diareah ,,and also will have problem with digestive system on regular basis from farts to other comlications ,,human body doesnt want it naturally even on hormones no need for more than 2gram per pound of lean muscle unless on mega doses of hgh then its little different
and what you use dont call pro hormones ,,it is the market name for them but the real name is DEISGNER STEROIDS WHICH IS LEGAL TERM FOR ANABOLIC STEROIDS THAT HASNT BEEN BANNED BUT LATEER ON DID ,,HARSHEST AND STRONGEST SHIT IN ORAL DEPARTMENT ,,BUT you used more than that
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You are way off. I am a smidgen over 200lbs right now and no more than 8% bodyfat at 5ft9.5 (yeah the half inch counts fuckers!) and i am not hormonized in the least. Hell I have barely worked out the last couple weeks because of school.
Maybe you aren't reading the scale right.
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You are way off. I am a smidgen over 200lbs right now and no more than 8% bodyfat at 5ft9.5 (yeah the half inch counts fuckers!) and i am not hormonized in the least. Hell I have barely worked out the last couple weeks because of school.
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Maybe you aren't reading the scale right.
ofcourse you are,,
i told you again and again again and again ,,there is no natural that EVER was even 190lb 6% ,,naturals limits stand 180lb 8-10% and 5'10,,for you you would be lucky if you touched 180 8% naturally more likely 177-178 8% naturally,,anything over that will be as result of hormones wether orals injects gh anything above that is hormone related ,,and if you get the 3 lb from the stupoid creatine and see 184 for few days,,it will go momnet you are off the creatine,,its just water around stomack and with some people aroudn all over ,,but the limit i put to natural is writen in stone,,NEVER EVER WAS A NATURAL TRUE NATURAL WALKING AROUND 200LB 8% THIS IS HORMONIZED NUMBER! 200-210 TRUE 8% IS HORMONIZED NUMBER BIG TIME! it is just usualy very low gh and no insulina,,sometime can get ther ewith out gh but need to be younger fella in early 20s to mdi 20s ,,later on 200lb mid singles can only come with gh and steroid combo ,,and for 220 and up in single digit you will need insulina on constant basis every single day many times a day with trenbolona and the rest of the shit that got you to 200lb 8% to begin with,,
numbers you presented before god are NOT natural
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and i garentee you that even on shawarma ! ,,if take enoguh legit trenbolona every day in the 100s of mgs....you will get to where the best are and it si competetive stage,,so shawarma or not shwarma the key point is legit trenbolona that is taken every day for long time,,
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gh15, earlier you said trenbolona should be used on/off in bursts when testosterona, equipona and of course ghona would be used every week year round. Why the sudden change? Talk about this dear God of Hormones, please ;)
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Dear God, should I drop my creatine use during the 3rd phase of my 3 phase project? You see, during the 3rd Phase I will be going for a finished and refined look with the goal of creating as much seperation and detail as possible. Also, please check my starting ab photos which I will post by the end of the week, to give me a true and accurate measure of my starting level of bodyfat. Remember, I'm gonna lose fat, and lose it VERY FAST ;D P.S. You put me at sub-6 when you saw my peak photo, just to refresh your memory ;)
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You are way off. I am a smidgen over 200lbs right now and no more than 8% bodyfat at 5ft9.5 (yeah the half inch counts fuckers!) and i am not hormonized in the least. Hell I have barely worked out the last couple weeks because of school.
Maybe you aren't reading the scale right.
Dont bother....the mispelling fuckwad cant handle it when people have done what he hasnt or could never do. I competed at 188 - 190....was drug free up until december....yet this "IFBB pro ::)" is telling me what I did or didnt do in my life. His jealous burns inside more than the rapid stretching of his anus when a schmoe pile drives him bareback with no lube.
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Who are the main persons and organizations producing very few "studies" and mostly anecdotal "evidence" perpetuating the importance of ridiculously huge amounts of protein for bodybuilders? The billion dollar supplement industry.
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30-40 grams w/each meal works for me , add carbs for gaining weight ,drop carbs for losing weight.
Oh hey someone else that does the same as I do. Per numbers it really really is that simple guys.
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and i garentee you that even on shawarma ! ,,if take enoguh legit trenbolona every day in the 100s of mgs....you will get to where the best are and it si competetive stage,,so shawarma or not shwarma the key point is legit trenbolona that is taken every day for long time,,
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100% correct!!!
i met a guy (before i started bodybuilding).... dude was fucking retardedly huge and ripped... he never liked competing or the idea of it... i was talking to him and i was amazed at how fucking big he was (never saw someone that big in front of me ever!... again, this was before i ever lifted a weight, and i was a skinny fat 135 lbs guy)... after talking to the dude for 5 minutes, i realized he had the IQ level of a rock... hell, a rock would score higher... but when i asked him what the fuck he did to get big he said "look... for breakfast i eat 3 plates of fool and 6 bread pitas (fool is kinda like squished beans), and for lunch i eat 5 or 6 falafil sandwiches... for dinner i eat around 6 or 7 shawarmas"....
after he left, our mutual friend tapped my shoulder and whispered "he forgot to mention that he's a walking pharmacy... dudes house looks like a needle disposal bin"...
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100% correct!!!
i met a guy (before i started bodybuilding).... dude was fucking retardedly huge and ripped... he never liked competing or the idea of it... i was talking to him and i was amazed at how fucking big he was (never saw someone that big in front of me ever!... again, this was before i ever lifted a weight, and i was a skinny fat 135 lbs guy)... after talking to the dude for 5 minutes, i realized he had the IQ level of a rock... hell, a rock would score higher... but when i asked him what the fuck he did to get big he said "look... for breakfast i eat 3 plates of fool and 6 bread pitas (fool is kinda like squished beans), and for lunch i eat 5 or 6 falafil sandwiches... for dinner i eat around 6 or 7 shawarmas"....
after he left, our mutual friend tapped my shoulder and whispered "he forgot to mention that he's a walking pharmacy... dudes house looks like a needle disposal bin"...
A Fool sandwich is like the national food of Egypt.... Its equivelant to Hamburgers in America. Basically they are squished Fava Beans.... Very high in protein and naturally raises tesotsterone! Just a little fact for you lol
Now I'm craving Fool and Shawarma!
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A Fool sandwich is like the national food of Egypt.... Its equivelant to Hamburgers in America. Basically they are squished Fava Beans.... Very high in protein and naturally raises tesotsterone! Just a little fact for you lol
Now I'm craving Fool and Shawarma!
I want some shawarma, sounds very anabolic
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Dont bother....the mispelling fuckwad cant handle it when people have done what he hasnt or could never do. I competed at 188 - 190....was drug free up until december....yet this "IFBB pro ::)" is telling me what I did or didnt do in my life. His jealous burns inside more than the rapid stretching of his anus when a schmoe pile drives him bareback with no lube.
Tell me your secret cause with genetics like yours and now on the juice we're looking at possibly the best 202 bber in the world. Quite possibly top 5 in the open class.
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A Fool sandwich is like the national food of Egypt.... Its equivelant to Hamburgers in America. Basically they are squished Fava Beans.... Very high in protein and naturally raises tesotsterone! Just a little fact for you lol
Now I'm craving Fool and Shawarma!
so you say if you go to your local arab store in americnaa ,,and buy shawarma and fool ... smily with rolling eyes...,, you will have yoru abs ready for rumble? your testosterona will go higher and yuo wont look like a skinny fat mix between mexicano and arab within 14 days on that shawarma and fool?
try it for 10 days tell me what you think,,middle east food and greek food is the primes food that iwll make you soft skinny fat IN RECORD TIME,,it go straight straight straight! to the midsection and soften the all physiqe,,,
now when on hormones!! like all here,,like you like anyone else who is bodybuiler,,then it doesnt matter what you eat,,because you can eat stones with fool and swarma in pita bread full of harisa and zahatar with falafel on the side plate...and still! still! be single digit ready to compete....thats the secret of trenbolona,,gh,,testosterona ,,masterona ,,,combine them all inject daily and you got competitor bodybuild,,
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Tell me your secret cause with genetics like yours and now on the juice we're looking at possibly the best 202 bber in the world. Quite possibly top 5 in the open class.
What secret?? My first show in 1989 I was like 170....didnt do another show till 1994...competed at 182. Fast forward to 2005 getting my WNFB pro card (which means a ton when you go to the airport and flash it...get right through TSA screeening) I was 186 on stage. Last show in 2008...like I said...was 188. Shows I really packed on the mass there did I? I WAS 5 ' 9 1/2 in the 90's....now...thanks to some good disc compression I am exactly 5 ' 9. I do NOT have great genetics. My abs suck, I have shitty shoulder width....as far as on the juice....its 100-freaking-mgs a week. Nothing else. Do I want to do more.....fuck no. I attached what I eat during the week...on Saturday night I tend to start my cheating....but all day sunday is what I just let the diet go. Then back to it on monday. I do cardio in the am 4 - 5 days a week. I will send anyone my workout. I have posted pics on here as of late what I look like....again, I would NOT be top 5 in open class...
Pic attached = 2005, 186 (night show)....yeah...real har,,monized,,,, ::)
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What secret?? My first show in 1989 I was like 170....didnt do another show till 1994...competed at 182. Fast forward to 2005 getting my WNFB pro card (which means a ton when you go to the airport and flash it...get right through TSA screeening) I was 186 on stage. Last show in 2008...like I said...was 188. Shows I really packed on the mass there did I? I WAS 5 ' 9 1/2 in the 90's....now...thanks to some good disc compression I am exactly 5 ' 9. I do NOT have great genetics. My abs suck, I have shitty shoulder width....as far as on the juice....its 100-freaking-mgs a week. Nothing else. Do I want to do more.....fuck no. I attached what I eat during the week...on Saturday night I tend to start my cheating....but all day sunday is what I just let the diet go. Then back to it on monday. I do cardio in the am 4 - 5 days a week. I will send anyone my workout. I have posted pics on here as of late what I look like....again, I would NOT be top 5 in open class...
Pic attached = 2005, 186 (night show)....yeah...real har,,monized,,,, ::)
where do you come up with those balonie lies? can you fellas tell me once and for all why you lie?,,this fella in pic is USER OF HORMONES! ,,it is orals,,it is not mega anything,,it is not injects,,it is orals,,the oral equivalent to winstrol/anavar and the such,,this fella is NOT natural!,,
your genetic indeed is very very average,,but its no reason to lie ! ,,you lack thickness but remember the year friend! 2005 is exactly the season the high high season of the wanna be you fellas walking around on ssb and olm right and legt crosing borders to mexico all through 2002 2003 and walking around hormonized comign into the gym and trying to sell yoru shit to kidos ,,remember the years! do not lie DO NOT FUCKIN LIE TO THEM
disgusting slob
you forget that between 2000-2005 it was hormone heaven in americana ,,you keep forgeting that those 5 years were mexicana heaven where halo was utmost hardening agent that everyone could get easily,,that everyone used anything and everything,,in YOUR CASE this physiqe is a reprsentation of mainly orals,,if i saw more picture i woudl tell you wether there is prop in it or not! USUALLY WITH SUCH AVERAGE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT THE FELLA WALK AROUND 215-217 LB OFF SEASON AND COMPETE 185LB HE USUALLY USE PROP ,,SUPERDROL AND FEW OTHER PRODUCTS,,
you are a liar,,you should be banned for good from this site,,you have no place in bodybuild,,
you also should get off the tree you climb on before im sending your way control delivery out of this world
fuckin loser
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this fella is around 5'7.5" or 5'8 (i'm 5'7 and he's a bit taller) and he weighed 176 lbs... here are the pics from last week...
hormonized to the fucking gills with awesome genetics... him and his 3 brothers are all top bodybuilders here... as a natural when he started (his first 6 months... looool) he looked like absolute shit... as GH15 said, the shawarma hareesa all to the midsection look! LOL
when i interviewed him, he seemed like he knew nothing about diet... so being in the high 180's at 5'10 contest condition doesn't mean you are natural... only you know if you're natural or not... but don't try to prove anything and just keep quiet about it... cuz those that scream "natural" all around the gyms around here are usually abusers who have the poorest genetics
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Dude looks great, any specifics when you say to the fucking gills? LOL
Buselmo you are a great addition to getbig
STFU Xerxes you're juiced to the gills.
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STFU Xerxes you're juiced to the gills.
man juice?
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where do you come up with those balonie lies? can you fellas tell me once and for all why you lie?,,this fella in pic is USER OF HORMONES! ,,it is orals,,it is not mega anything,,it is not injects,,it is orals,,the oral equivalent to winstrol/anavar and the such,,this fella is NOT natural!,,
your genetic indeed is very very average,,but its no reason to lie ! ,,you lack thickness but remember the year friend! 2005 is exactly the season the high high season of the wanna be you fellas walking around on ssb and olm right and legt crosing borders to mexico all through 2002 2003 and walking around hormonized comign into the gym and trying to sell yoru shit to kidos ,,remember the years! do not lie DO NOT FUCKIN LIE TO THEM
disgusting slob
you forget that between 2000-2005 it was hormone heaven in americana ,,you keep forgeting that those 5 years were mexicana heaven where halo was utmost hardening agent that everyone could get easily,,that everyone used anything and everything,,in YOUR CASE this physiqe is a reprsentation of mainly orals,,if i saw more picture i woudl tell you wether there is prop in it or not! USUALLY WITH SUCH AVERAGE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT THE FELLA WALK AROUND 215-217 LB OFF SEASON AND COMPETE 185LB HE USUALLY USE PROP ,,SUPERDROL AND FEW OTHER PRODUCTS,,
you are a liar,,you should be banned for good from this site,,you have no place in bodybuild,,
you also should get off the tree you climb on before im sending your way control delivery out of this world
fuckin loser
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HA HA...I am so in your head its not even funny....
What a jealous fuck you are. You see I am the GOD here. You are some low life scum. I have been completely open about anything I do....you hide behind some gay ass name. I used TWO bottle of PH's in the 90's....TWO. Can you count that high? I am sure you can because thats the minimum amount of cocks you have in you every night. One AST's Androstenedione...other was NOR-19 by Ultimate Nutrition.
You see, unlike you...I chose NOT to use anything until now, at 42yo. You schmoe loving fuck.....you coudnt hang with me in the gym even as bloated and needle filled as you are right now. Must suck to have such hatred of yourself that you have to call everyone who ever looked better than you have a liar. I DARE you to call me a liar to my face. Come and show me how much of a bad ass you are fuck stick. Call it a melt down, or whatever. Sick and tired of your bull shit. You arent what you claim to be....you are some cock gobbling douche.
BTW...what in the blue fucking hell are you trying to say : "you also should get off the tree you climb on before im sending your way control delivery out of this world"
You are an incoherent, unintelligent, dick weed. Perhaps you should deep throat a gun barrel like you deep throat cocks.
BTW....buselmo...I never screamed about how natural I was....my prior screen name reflected my choice in as far as my drug use choice.....after I ended it, I changed my screen name. The guy you showed above doesnt look 176....looks way bigger. He definitely looks leaner than I look in my pic. Never would have guessed 176.
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Dude looks great, any specifics when you say to the fucking gills? LOL
Buselmo you are a great addition to getbig
I don't know exactly what he's on... but i know a very close friend of his brothers and he tells me it's the usual stuff... everybody in this country knows that it's all about the drugs... the more you use the better your chances and the better the results... and since 95% of the bodybuilding population here doesn't know how to read or speak english, they know NOTHING about nutrition and training except for what they see other champions do... so masteron, tren, EQ, winny, and as much GH as you can afford or steal from a hospital :D
and thanks for the kind words barshkoofa ;D
STFU Xerxes you're juiced to the gills.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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BTW....buselmo...I never screamed about how natural I was....my prior screen name reflected my choice in as far as my drug use choice.....after I ended it, I changed my screen name. The guy you showed above doesnt look 176....looks way bigger. He definitely looks leaner than I look in my pic. Never would have guessed 176.
not saying you aren't natural bro... don't get me wrong.
i'm just saying that you should take it easy and whenever someone accuses you of using gear say "ok, sure" with a smile on your face since you have nothing to worry about ;) ... and you don't need to waste your time and stress yourself out by replying like that :)
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HA HA...I am so in your head its not even funny....
What a jealous fuck you are. You see I am the GOD here. You are some low life scum. I have been completely open about anything I do....you hide behind some gay ass name. I used TWO bottle of PH's in the 90's....TWO. Can you count that high? I am sure you can because thats the minimum amount of cocks you have in you every night. One AST's Androstenedione...other was NOR-19 by Ultimate Nutrition.
You see, unlike you...I chose NOT to use anything until now, at 42yo. You schmoe loving fuck.....you coudnt hang with me in the gym even as bloated and needle filled as you are right now. Must suck to have such hatred of yourself that you have to call everyone who ever looked better than you have a liar. I DARE you to call me a liar to my face. Come and show me how much of a bad ass you are fuck stick. Call it a melt down, or whatever. Sick and tired of your bull shit. You arent what you claim to be....you are some cock gobbling douche.
BTW...what in the blue fucking hell are you trying to say : "you also should get off the tree you climb on before im sending your way control delivery out of this world"
You are an incoherent, unintelligent, dick weed. Perhaps you should deep throat a gun barrel like you deep throat cocks.
BTW....buselmo...I never screamed about how natural I was....my prior screen name reflected my choice in as far as my drug use choice.....after I ended it, I changed my screen name. The guy you showed above doesnt look 176....looks way bigger. He definitely looks leaner than I look in my pic. Never would have guessed 176.
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not saying you aren't natural bro... don't get me wrong.
i'm just saying that you should take it easy and whenever someone accuses you of using gear say "ok, sure" with a smile on your face since you have nothing to worry about ;) ... and you don't need to waste your time and stress yourself out by replying like that :)
I wasnt implying you were saying I wasnt....was just saying I wasnt one of those guys. My stance was always, do what you want to do....just dont do shit and compete in the natural shows with me. That tool bag has the stance that ANYONE who looks halfway decent is on drugs...and a ton at that. I competed since 1989 without doing anything....stopped doing ephedrine around the time it was banned....
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I wasnt implying you were saying I wasnt....was just saying I wasnt one of those guys. My stance was always, do what you want to do....just dont do shit and compete in the natural shows with me. That tool bag has the stance that ANYONE who looks halfway decent is on drugs...and a ton at that. I competed since 1989 without doing anything....stopped doing ephedrine around the time it was banned....
i don't care about that... all i care about is your avatar... post more so i can see that everywhere!!!
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i don't care about that... all i care about is your avatar... post more so i can see that everywhere!!!
HA HA....well, as they are in workout clothing...and one is doing "hip thrusts"...I guess that makes it bodybuilding related. ;D
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What secret?? My first show in 1989 I was like 170....didnt do another show till 1994...competed at 182. Fast forward to 2005 getting my WNFB pro card (which means a ton when you go to the airport and flash it...get right through TSA screeening) I was 186 on stage. Last show in 2008...like I said...was 188. Shows I really packed on the mass there did I? I WAS 5 ' 9 1/2 in the 90's....now...thanks to some good disc compression I am exactly 5 ' 9. I do NOT have great genetics. My abs suck, I have shitty shoulder width....as far as on the juice....its 100-freaking-mgs a week. Nothing else. Do I want to do more.....fuck no. I attached what I eat during the week...on Saturday night I tend to start my cheating....but all day sunday is what I just let the diet go. Then back to it on monday. I do cardio in the am 4 - 5 days a week. I will send anyone my workout. I have posted pics on here as of late what I look like....again, I would NOT be top 5 in open class...
Pic attached = 2005, 186 (night show)....yeah...real har,,monized,,,, ::)
Looking great. ;)
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I disagree.... High protein diets have gotten a bad rep recently, but I still believe in them 100%....
I know you don't believe me when I say I'm a natural, but I really am lol... and I take in about 300 g right now, and trying to up to to 350 or even 400!
I think it makes a WORLD of a difference to take in High Protein! I see much better/faster gains!
You're just gonna fuck your kidneys up and end up with renal failure, hope it's all worth it in the end.
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try it for 10 days tell me what you think,,middle east food and greek food is the primes food that iwll make you soft skinny fat IN RECORD TIME,,it go straight straight straight! to the midsection and soften the all physiqe,,,
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HA HA...I am so in your head its not even funny....
What a jealous fuck you are. You see I am the GOD here. You are some low life scum. I have been completely open about anything I do....you hide behind some gay ass name. I used TWO bottle of PH's in the 90's....TWO. Can you count that high? I am sure you can because thats the minimum amount of cocks you have in you every night. One AST's Androstenedione...other was NOR-19 by Ultimate Nutrition.
You see, unlike you...I chose NOT to use anything until now, at 42yo. You schmoe loving fuck.....you coudnt hang with me in the gym even as bloated and needle filled as you are right now. Must suck to have such hatred of yourself that you have to call everyone who ever looked better than you have a liar. I DARE you to call me a liar to my face. Come and show me how much of a bad ass you are fuck stick. Call it a melt down, or whatever. Sick and tired of your bull shit. You arent what you claim to be....you are some cock gobbling douche.
BTW...what in the blue fucking hell are you trying to say : "you also should get off the tree you climb on before im sending your way control delivery out of this world"
You are an incoherent, unintelligent, dick weed. Perhaps you should deep throat a gun barrel like you deep throat cocks.
BTW....buselmo...I never screamed about how natural I was....my prior screen name reflected my choice in as far as my drug use choice.....after I ended it, I changed my screen name. The guy you showed above doesnt look 176....looks way bigger. He definitely looks leaner than I look in my pic. Never would have guessed 176.
you are a stinky disgusting liar! ,,with every posting there is more admission ,,now it is 2 pro hormobe bottles which ofcourse superdrol and othe rpro hormones are nothing but real steroids! then it is ephedra,,then it is more and more,,no one said you used mega doses but GOD IS SAYING YOU USED HORMONES TO GET TO THIS CONDITION ,,it still not good physiqe ,,it is average respond and average physiqe ,,thats! the reason you didnt get anywhere in bodyhbuild,,YOU ARE A V E R A G E ,,with average respond,,
yes you didnt use 100mg dianabola a day and 1200 mg testosterona a week for this compeititon ,,but you never steped on stage with out using something,, your condition and size on that stage is of user,,you can not achieve that with out using ,,and trust me it is more than 2 bottle of pro hormone because the actual condiditon point to oral usage,,
now befor eyou get ahead of yourself ,,i dont just talk i execute,,you want NOT start with me and turn around,,last thing you need is record ,,btu since im sure you have some kind of record like 90% of liar bodybuild..you dont care,,so you continue your shit
digusting cuck
look at the amount of shit he say he used now after one posting by god,, and this is steroids right on! but no i am telling you here that this fella used and USE femiliar orals even for the competition he point out in picture in 2005,,ofcourse he usd in 2005,,if show picture from 1989 i will also tlel you if used then but he doesnt show ,,he show 2005 because only when mexicana and steroid era was in its top in ameeircna only then! he could grow
get out of here fucktard
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not saying you aren't natural bro... don't get me wrong.
i'm just saying that you should take it easy and whenever someone accuses you of using gear say "ok, sure" with a smile on your face since you have nothing to worry about ;) ... and you don't need to waste your time and stress yourself out by replying like that :)
he is tupe of fella that you used to see in gymnasium going from 188lb when on products,,to 176lb when he hurt his lower spinal disk or whatever other excuse he woudl have to not train dead lift or do legs or whatever he wanted to train light or go ride on his bike insted of working out,,so he is the type of fella that you woudl see in his best 188lb lean and ripped and then in matter of 2 weeks he would fall to 175 and blame his fast metabolizm and him nto training hard and this and that and thoos and thats why he fall to 175,, those are the liars that are on the pro hormones which are ofcourse steroids in most cases,,
then later on when starting to use more nad more ....he became the loser bodybuild that walk around 210 offseason ,,,and then for competitin go down to 185,,,and then boom blwo to 210 walking around 8% saying to everyone he is 12...and saying he dont want to blow up to 230 even though he can because he doesnt like bodybuildr and think they are drug addict and for what for 5 dollaros trophee badabeem badaboom,,
he is the exact type of fella that would come to a party and show the mother fuckin bud of his because no real friends,,but he would take a shrt up and show veins on lower tummy and 6 pack be 195lb and tell the bud ,,oh im natural i just train hard ,,i train very hard ,,,this is the exact type of fela you know it too
i dispsize those fellas because they stop in nothing,,they also have lots of probelemos in real life,,from divorcing ,,to mental,,to hiding alot of things,,many of them military in americana ,,god know how you ogive them a rifle to protect country,,
this fella is straight out liar!
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LOL @ "digusting cuck"
It just never gets old.
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he is tupe of fella that you used to see in gymnasium going from 188lb when on products,,to 176lb when he hurt his lower spinal disk or whatever other excuse he woudl have to not train dead lift or do legs or whatever he wanted to train light or go ride on his bike insted of working out,,so he is the type of fella that you woudl see in his best 188lb lean and ripped and then in matter of 2 weeks he would fall to 175 and blame his fast metabolizm and him nto training hard and this and that and thoos and thats why he fall to 175,, those are the liars that are on the pro hormones which are ofcourse steroids in most cases,,
then later on when starting to use more nad more ....he became the loser bodybuild that walk around 210 offseason ,,,and then for competitin go down to 185,,,and then boom blwo to 210 walking around 8% saying to everyone he is 12...and saying he dont want to blow up to 230 even though he can because he doesnt like bodybuildr and think they are drug addict and for what for 5 dollaros trophee badabeem badaboom,,
he is the exact type of fella that would come to a party and show the mother fuckin bud of his because no real friends,,but he would take a shrt up and show veins on lower tummy and 6 pack be 195lb and tell the bud ,,oh im natural i just train hard ,,i train very hard ,,,this is the exact type of fela you know it too
i dispsize those fellas because they stop in nothing,,they also have lots of probelemos in real life,,from divorcing ,,to mental,,to hiding alot of things,,many of them military in americana ,,god know how you ogive them a rifle to protect country,,
this fella is straight out liar!
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Geezus christ you are melting the fuck down. Note...I never used illegal shit until recently. How is your keyboard GH15cocksinmouth? I didnt use any of the prohormones after those things because they scared the shit out of me after reading about them. So, you so called "god of h,,,oarm,,mones" are calling ephedrine a hormone? Wow you really are stupid. I am NOT drug free now. People can say I wasnt drug free because of the prohormones....thats fine. What I wont sit still for is some anonymous fuck like you telling people that you are the all seeing "pink starfish" and that I used shit. Come to my gym....say it to my face....I would love to see what a bloated mess you are. You probably couldnt crack 160lbs if you were off all the shit you supposedly take.
I did walk around at 210 off season....10/11%? who the fuck knows. I stopped taking bodyfat unless I did a show. You see, I have no problems showing what I look like off season or at a show. You cant handle spelling a word right...let alone showing us what a "goddess-like" body you have. Let me guess...you still walk around the gym in your boat neck sweatshirt and zubaz pants because you are so hardcore. ::)
Want me to video some training for you? You twat...shut your mouth before I slap you like the bitch you are.
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you are a stinky disgusting liar! ,,with every posting there is more admission ,,now it is 2 pro hormobe bottles which ofcourse superdrol and othe rpro hormones are nothing but real steroids! then it is ephedra,,then it is more and more,,no one said you used mega doses but GOD IS SAYING YOU USED HORMONES TO GET TO THIS CONDITION ,,it still not good physiqe ,,it is average respond and average physiqe ,,thats! the reason you didnt get anywhere in bodyhbuild,,YOU ARE A V E R A G E ,,with average respond,,
yes you didnt use 100mg dianabola a day and 1200 mg testosterona a week for this compeititon ,,but you never steped on stage with out using something,, your condition and size on that stage is of user,,you can not achieve that with out using ,,and trust me it is more than 2 bottle of pro hormone because the actual condiditon point to oral usage,,
now befor eyou get ahead of yourself ,,i dont just talk i execute,,you want NOT start with me and turn around,,last thing you need is record ,,btu since im sure you have some kind of record like 90% of liar bodybuild..you dont care,,so you continue your shit
digusting cuck
look at the amount of shit he say he used now after one posting by god,, and this is steroids right on! but no i am telling you here that this fella used and USE femiliar orals even for the competition he point out in picture in 2005,,ofcourse he usd in 2005,,if show picture from 1989 i will also tlel you if used then but he doesnt show ,,he show 2005 because only when mexicana and steroid era was in its top in ameeircna only then! he could grow
get out of here fucktard
dismissed
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Yes, I do have an average physique....when did I ever claim differently? Never....Not once. Get anywhere in bodybuilding? Got 4th at my last pro show...yeah....never won one...but hey, I can list my accomplishments....can you? Never once have you mentioned anything cock holster. I cant achieve what I did without being a user. HA...go fuck yourself. I paid for contest prep help from Dr. Joe K (before you fucking go off...read who he is). Everyone should "trust" you...you dont know shit about what I ate like like or trained like for my shows. I will take anyone and do exactly what I did...and you would see that you CAN achieve it without drugs...ohg but wait..everyone is a liar like you!!!! You claim I got the condition I did with more than PH's? Did you see? I used them about 10 FUCKING YEARS before that show. Yeah, that helped a ton.
I am starting shit with you....what are you going to do.."own me"? guy please. My "record" consists of a speeding ticket (recently) and going through a red light....yeah, I really am a criminal....
Again, shut it before you get put in your place like a bitch
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Geezus christ you are melting the fuck down. Note...I never used illegal shit until recently. How is your keyboard GH15cocksinmouth? I didnt use any of the prohormones after those things because they scared the shit out of me after reading about them. So, you so called "god of h,,,oarm,,mones" are calling ephedrine a hormone? Wow you really are stupid. I am NOT drug free now. People can say I wasnt drug free because of the prohormones....thats fine. What I wont sit still for is some anonymous fuck like you telling people that you are the all seeing "pink starfish" and that I used shit. Come to my gym....say it to my face....I would love to see what a bloated mess you are. You probably couldnt crack 160lbs if you were off all the shit you supposedly take.
I did walk around at 210 off season....10/11%? who the fuck knows. I stopped taking bodyfat unless I did a show. You see, I have no problems showing what I look like off season or at a show. You cant handle spelling a word right...let alone showing us what a "goddess-like" body you have. Let me guess...you still walk around the gym in your boat neck sweatshirt and zubaz pants because you are so hardcore. ::)
Want me to video some training for you? You twat...shut your mouth before I slap you like the bitch you are.
again,,for the last time,,you are the same type of loser that walk around 210 8% sayign he is 10-12 % while in reality is 8% ,,using trenbolona,,testosterona orals of choice and many more,,no one that is into bodybuild or bodybuild will pass by it ,,and no one will go on stage if they were not on it,,if they would they would be 165lb of shit hole 5'10,,you know it and i know it,,
now,,if you want to meet me you need special privalage,,because i jdont meet just anyone,,but i do have people who can meet you in your local town i garentee you this,, you climbing on the wrong tree trying to make name for yourself against the most powerful individual in the cult,,you think i have time for flees like you? i say a fact! you used hormones and for a long time! YES PRO HORMONES ARE STEROIDS,,but you used MUCH MORE,, your physiqe is average,,and you are the type of loser and yes i say loser because this is what you are,,that walk around 210 8-9% and go on stage 185 % yet hormonized with everything he can get a hold on as good deal on internet,,just watch yourself ,,remember with every thing you get you have asmile on face when taking from the mail right? you want to keep it this way
dont lie to my pupils ,,dont lie to the cult ,,dont lie to the new members either,, you are a liar!
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I agree. What a fucking liar. The dude is on tren and test and all that shit for sure.
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100% no d oubt about it,,infact i know it in particular in this case,,thi is no shame fella,,really start pissing me off and i should never be really pissed off you always want me in half way good mood
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again,,for the last time,,you are the same type of loser that walk around 210 8% sayign he is 10-12 % while in reality is 8% ,,using trenbolona,,testosterona orals of choice and many more,,no one that is into bodybuild or bodybuild will pass by it ,,and no one will go on stage if they were not on it,,if they would they would be 165lb of shit hole 5'10,,you know it and i know it,,
now,,if you want to meet me you need special privalage,,because i jdont meet just anyone,,but i do have people who can meet you in your local town i garentee you this,, you climbing on the wrong tree trying to make name for yourself against the most powerful individual in the cult,,you think i have time for flees like you? i say a fact! you used hormones and for a long time! YES PRO HORMONES ARE STEROIDS,,but you used MUCH MORE,, your physiqe is average,,and you are the type of loser and yes i say loser because this is what you are,,that walk around 210 8-9% and go on stage 185 % yet hormonized with everything he can get a hold on as good deal on internet,,just watch yourself ,,remember with every thing you get you have asmile on face when taking from the mail right? you want to keep it this way
dont lie to my pupils ,,dont lie to the cult ,,dont lie to the new members either,, you are a liar!
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So its bad to say you are 10% when in reality you are 8%? HA HA HA...makes a shit ton of sence fuck wit. You dont know shit about competing WITHOUT help fuckwad. I do...you know drugs (supposedly)....I didnt fucking train for as long as I did WITHOUT that shit. Yes, TWO bottles of prohormones...I used ephedrine WHEN DIETING. When ephedrine got banned...I had at least the morals and ethics NOT to use it.
You want to talk shit about me...come meet me. Do it....or shut your mispelling pie hole. You think telling me you have people who can meet me is scaring me? Try again. I am not trying to make any name....I am telling you that you dont know shit when it comes to me. You claim to not have time for "flees (ha ha ha ha)" like me? Sure looks like you are banging responses out like you dont. Try again....answers wrong bitch.
Watch myself? Watch myself do what? Continue to call you out as a pathetic cock sucking drug dealer? Come on big boy...tell everyone how much cock you suck for your drugs? Why is it you cant? Scared that you are trying to convince yourself that as long as you are doing it to "further your career" that you arent gay?
What I take comes from my doc...I dont do the underground shit...facts are fact. Want me to take a pic of my bottle? Want me to show the script? Like thats going to prove anything. Only thing thats true is that you cant handle the fact that you couldnt do what I have done, or what those that are better than me have done on the natural circuit. Quit coming back with this dribble....you are the one who is pathetic...again...where s your pic piglet? No where to be seen. Keep it that way....for your sake.
Keep up the comments...you havent earned another response from me....I blessed you with what I have done already. Go to bed comforted by that
Oh, and BlackFag....go fuck a ladyboy....then maybe hit a gym...you MIGHT actually break 150lbs one day.
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Oh, and BlackFag....go fuck a ladyboy....then maybe hit a gym...you MIGHT actually break 150lbs one day.
Hey, actually that was my exact plan for tonight. Are you a psychic?
The highest I ever weighed was 182 by the way. And unlike your bitch ass, I did it without steroids.
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Hey, actually that was my exact plan for tonight. Are you a psychic?
The highest I ever weighed was 182 by the way. And unlike your bitch ass, I did it without steroids.
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So its bad to say you are 10% when in reality you are 8%? HA HA HA...makes a shit ton of sence fuck wit. You dont know shit about competing WITHOUT help fuckwad. I do...you know drugs (supposedly)....I didnt fucking train for as long as I did WITHOUT that shit. Yes, TWO bottles of prohormones...I used ephedrine WHEN DIETING. When ephedrine got banned...I had at least the morals and ethics NOT to use it.
You want to talk shit about me...come meet me. Do it....or shut your mispelling pie hole. You think telling me you have people who can meet me is scaring me? Try again. I am not trying to make any name....I am telling you that you dont know shit when it comes to me. You claim to not have time for "flees (ha ha ha ha)" like me? Sure looks like you are banging responses out like you dont. Try again....answers wrong bitch.
Watch myself? Watch myself do what? Continue to call you out as a pathetic cock sucking drug dealer? Come on big boy...tell everyone how much cock you suck for your drugs? Why is it you cant? Scared that you are trying to convince yourself that as long as you are doing it to "further your career" that you arent gay?
What I take comes from my doc...I dont do the underground shit...facts are fact. Want me to take a pic of my bottle? Want me to show the script? Like thats going to prove anything. Only thing thats true is that you cant handle the fact that you couldnt do what I have done, or what those that are better than me have done on the natural circuit. Quit coming back with this dribble....you are the one who is pathetic...again...where s your pic piglet? No where to be seen. Keep it that way....for your sake.
Keep up the comments...you havent earned another response from me....I blessed you with what I have done already. Go to bed comforted by that
Oh, and BlackFag....go fuck a ladyboy....then maybe hit a gym...you MIGHT actually break 150lbs one day.
you are one little angry fella,,all we ask you on this thunderdome is DO NOT LIE,,that is it ,,if you want lie go to the other boardings but even there they will bring you 100s of my quotes and wash the floor with you
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What secret?? My first show in 1989 I was like 170....didnt do another show till 1994...competed at 182. Fast forward to 2005 getting my WNFB pro card (which means a ton when you go to the airport and flash it...get right through TSA screeening) I was 186 on stage. Last show in 2008...like I said...was 188. Shows I really packed on the mass there did I? I WAS 5 ' 9 1/2 in the 90's....now...thanks to some good disc compression I am exactly 5 ' 9. I do NOT have great genetics. My abs suck, I have shitty shoulder width....as far as on the juice....its 100-freaking-mgs a week. Nothing else. Do I want to do more.....fuck no. I attached what I eat during the week...on Saturday night I tend to start my cheating....but all day sunday is what I just let the diet go. Then back to it on monday. I do cardio in the am 4 - 5 days a week. I will send anyone my workout. I have posted pics on here as of late what I look like....again, I would NOT be top 5 in open class...
Pic attached = 2005, 186 (night show)....yeah...real har,,monized,,,, ::)
I was about the same size as you in this pic, maybe less muscle per height
I was far from natural there
it's not about how you weight, it's about the look
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I was about the same size as you in this pic, maybe less muscle per height
I was far from natural there
it's not about how you weight, it's about the look
You forgot to train your legs.
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You forgot to train your legs.
they were in proportion
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they were in proportion
What's up with your right lower pec?
It's like it's merging with your abs or something. Gyno surgery?
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What's up with your right lower pec?
It's like it's merging with your abs or something. Gyno surgery?
no I don't know what it is, always been like this.
I also have a gab between by pecs, that doesn't look that noticable now that I have some muscles but when I was skinny it was weird
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What's up with your right lower pec?
It's like it's merging with your abs or something. Gyno surgery?
Pectorialis minor.. Sometimes very hard to develop. Only exercise i know of that does is dips where you push the shoulder girdle down at the last part of the contraction
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What's up with your right lower pec?
It's like it's merging with your abs or something. Gyno surgery?
I have the same thing. not gyno.
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I was about the same size as you in this pic, maybe less muscle per height
I was far from natural there
it's not about how you weight, it's about the look
I am a little confused as far as your first comment. You look FAR better than I did. WAY leaner. So, in regards to how you look....you look better than I did. Bottom line is that I didnt start using until recently...like it or not, believe it or not...thats what it is.
BlackCockinyourass.....c ompare your legs to his....THEN comment on who forgot to train legs
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=368729.0;attach=405651;image) :o
You have the Jay Cutler abs going on, which i find cool.
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=368729.0;attach=405651;image) :o
You have the Jay Cutler abs going on, which i find cool.
Stav lookn swole back in the day :)
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Liar Krankenstein >:(
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Stav lookn swole back in the day :)
;D
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Stav lookn swole back in the day :)
looking at that pic he has the genetics to hold a shit ton of good weight too.
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stavios is a true pussy destroyer
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Liar Krankenstein >:(
Hey Dustin....this is how much your opinion registers...
(http://www.chimpout.com/forum/imagehosting/39764d0f55d1a4028.gif)
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they were in proportion
i swear you don't need to get bigger bro... just some oil in the arms ans you'd look perfect!!!
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looking at that pic he has the genetics to hold a shit ton of good weight too.
No shit...legs look damn good...NEVER got mine to look like that
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No shit...legs look damn good...NEVER got mine to look like that
True. Nothing wrong with his legs. I consider it one of his strong points.
BTW Krank, who did you post as before?