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In spirit of 33333's obsession..... :D
What Is Donald Trump, Newborn Birther, Trying To Hide From Us?
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What is Donald Trump hiding?
The multimillionaire developer has, overnight, become a leading voice of the “birther” movement, members of which doubt that President Barack Obama was born in the United States (and, thus, is unable to produce an authentic U.S. birth certificate).
“It’s inconceivable that, after four years of questioning, the president still hasn’t produced his birth certificate,” Trump told Newsmax. “I’m just asking President Obama to show the public his birth certificate. Why’s he making an issue out of this?" To prove how easy it was for a household employee to find his birth certificate, Trump, 64, crowed, “It took me one hour to get my birth certificate.”
As seen above, he provided the conservative web site with what he purports to be his birth certificate.
Except the document is not an official New York City birth certificate, but rather a document generated by Jamaica Hospital, where Trump’s mother Mary reportedly gave birth in June 1946. Official birth certificates are issued (and maintained) by the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene’s Office of Vital Records.
So, what is Trump trying to conceal?
On a possibly related note, Jamaica Hospital has been the recipient of significant financial largesse from the Trump family. In fact, the Queens institution includes the Trump Pavilion, a nursing and rehabilitation facility that was named for Mary Trump.
[If The Donald wants to hunt in his sock drawer for the official birth certificate, he should look for a document that includes an official Department of Health stamp and resembles city forms like ones used decades ago, like this or this.]
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Let's apply some of 33333's CT logic to this a little bit shall we?
On a possibly related note, Jamaica Hospital has been the recipient of significant financial largesse from the Trump family. In fact, the Queens institution includes the Trump Pavilion, a nursing and rehabilitation facility that was named for Mary Trump.
Imagine that!
He got that unofficial birth certificate from a hospital he contributes to and even have a pavilion named after him.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Trump is playing this brilliantly. Wait - its called rope a dope.
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Trump is playing this brilliantly. Wait - its called rope a dope.
Trump has about as much chance of getting elected to President as Ron Paul.
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Let's apply some of 33333's CT logic to this a little bit shall we?
Imagine that!
He got that unofficial birth certificate from a hospital he contributes to and even have a pavilion named after him.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
And when he releases te official long form BC from NYC than what?
At least this BC has a doctor, nurse, and location. Obama does not even say what hospital he was born at and there ar conflicting accounts from his own family
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And when he releases te official long form BC from NYC than what?
Nothing. Only Birthers will waste their time with this.
Until, new evidence comes to light, Birthers are becoming no more different in my mind than truthers.
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Nothing. Only Birthers will waste their time with this.
Until, new evidence comes to light, Birthers are becoming no more different in my mind than truthers.
i support all the birthers and they need to keep front and center.
(takes their minds off other things)
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Doh! :)
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OK OBAMA FANS - YOUR TURN.
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Take Two: Donald Trump Releases Official Birth Certificate
March 29, 2011 1:11 PM
News Michael Falcone reports:
Donald Trump learned the hard way this week that if you're going to call on the president to release his official birth certificate, you'd better do the same.
Trump, who has been putting pressure on Obama lately to make public his long-form birth certificate from Hawaii, decided to set a good example and release his own on Monday. Only problem was, the document that Trump provided to the conservative Website Newsmax wasn't his actual birth certificate, but rather a "hospital certificate of birth."
On Tuesday, Trump, who is contemplating a presidential run in 2012, sought to correct the oversight, providing a copy of his official birth certificate issued by the New York City Department of Health to ABC News.
See a larger version HERE.
It shows that "Donald John Trump" was born June 14, 1946 in Jamaica Hospital in Queens.It lists his father as Fred C. Trump and his mother as Mary Mac Leod. The date of the report is listed as June 14, 1946.
The image came with an accompanying memo from a member of Trump's staff.
"A 'birth certificate' and a 'certificate of live birth' are in no way the same thing, even though in some cases they use some of the same words," wrote Trump staffer Thuy Colayco in a message to ABC News. "One officially confirms and records a newborn child’s identity and details of his or her birth, while the other only confirms that someone reported the birth of a child. Also, a 'certificate of live birth' is very easy to get because the standards are much lower, while a 'birth certificate' is only gotten through a long and detailed process wherein identity must be proved beyond any doubt. If you had only a certificate of live birth, you would not be able to get a proper passport from the Post Office or a driver’s license from the Department of Motor Vehicles. Therefore, there is very significant difference between a 'certificate of live birth' and a 'birth certificate' and one should never be confused with the other."
(Click Here to see a photo of Donald Trump's hospital certificate of birth, obtained by the Newsmax on Monday.)
Trump has been turning up the volume on his calls for Obama, who has been the target of allegations that he was not born in the United States by so-called "birthers," to release his official birth certificate.
"This guy either has a birth certificate or he doesn't," Trump said in an interview on Fox News on Monday. "I didn't think this was such a big deal, but I will tell you, it's turning out to be a very big deal because people now are calling me from all over saying please don't give up on this issue."
The Obama campaign released a "certification of live birth," which is a shorter document that carries the same legal weight as the long one, in 2008.
Trump has brought up the issue again and again. In a recent interview with ABC's "The View," he said that Obama has "a terrible pale that's hanging over with him" because of his refusal to release the document.
Michael Cohen, an executive at the Trump Organization, who has been leading a "Draft Trump" movement insisted that his boss was not a "birther," but rather was attempting to hold the Obama administration, which rode into offices on promises of transparency, accountable.
The misstep, however, indicates how perilous a path this line of attack might be to any of the potential 2012 presidential candidates who choose to pursue it. Already one likely Republican contender, Tim Pawlenty, indicated that Trump’s emphasis on the issue was unwise.
“I, for one, do not believe we should be raising that issue," the former Minnesota governor said in an interview MSNBC on Tuesday. "I think President Obama was born in the United States."
Trump discussed his calls for Obama to release his official birth certificate on ABC's "The View" last week:
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trump - distraction.
people who celebrate his chances for being elected - helping obama.
that is all.
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trump - distraction.
people who celebrate his chances for being elected - helping obama.
that is all.
If he can be the foil and drag obama down and get him ousted from office on this alone, he will be forever a hero of mine for provingobaa to be the fraud and imposter we al said he was from day 1.
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I'll show you mine so you must show me yours?
The President of the United States is supposed to follow the beck of a silver spooned media whore?
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more CT garbage.
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I'll show you mine so you must show me yours?
The President of the United States is supposed to follow the beck of a silver spooned media whore?
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more CT garbage.
No, but there is a little thing called the NBC requirement of the U.S. Const. that Obama still has no proven.
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Trump isn't going to be the next President, but if he can bring up the BC issue enough, it puts pressure on Obama to talk about it. Either he shows the BC or 60% of the country will believe he's not a NBC.
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I'll show you mine so you must show me yours?
The President of the United States is supposed to follow the beck of a silver spooned media whore?
you don't swing down.
besides, trump has bene doing this shit foe 2 decades now. he's got the media machine thing down pat. Given the fact he has SO MANY LIB POSITIONS in 2000 that he had claimed he believed all his life, I have to believe he's STILL a liberal. He's just playing up the tea party talking points cause they're popular. Like Romney is. Like Rudy.
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No, but there is a little thing called the NBC requirement of the U.S. Const. that Obama still has no proven.
Again good enough for the real power people who would have everything to gain from proving Bama was not born here. but now, it's only good enough for your garden variety CT'er.
I can see now why you commonly agree with some of Sammy's posts.
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Again good enough for the real power people who would have everything to gain from proving Bama was not born here. but now, it's only good enough for your garden variety CT'er.
I can see now why you commonly agree with some of Sammy's posts.
::) ::) Why do you think he has spent MILLIONS defending these lawsuits on the standing issue and not the merits when he could put this to rest for $10?
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::) ::) Why do you think he has spent MILLIONS defending these lawsuits on the standing issue and not the merits when he could put this to rest for $10?
Another CT'er argument. ::)
Why do you think there was only one 9/11 investigation?
why do you think they go rid of all the WTC debris so fast?
why do you think there was no wreckage on flight 93?
blah blah blah
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Yeah, you cant answer that can you?
Who spends millions on lawyers to conceal what can be released for $10?
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Yeah, you cant answer that can you?
Who spends millions on lawyers to conceal what can be released for $10?
Another CT'er argument. ::)
Of course i can't answer, 33333. I am not Barrack Obama.
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Yeah, you cant answer that can you?
Who spends millions on lawyers to conceal what can be released for $10?
How do you know he's spent millions to conceal anything?
Show me the legal bills.
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33,
i'm a birther. i think he was born in kenya. I am sure the reason he went to hawaii 5 min after being elected, and the reason there was a power outage, and why rahm went to kenya that same week, was to cover shit up.
BUT I can admit there is zero evidence he's spent millions on the birther issue.
You post his ENTIRE LEGAL FEES for running AND BEING president. The birther issue could be 1% of that, or 99% of that. Neither of us know. And since we can list a shitload of people who sue obama, and about 5 birthers... I'd say your assumption is even weak.
Just drop that "million in legal fees AGAINST THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE ISSUE", cause it's completely false.
So please, stop already, you're embarassing the birthers among us who know it's a non-issue lol!
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How do you know he's spent millions to conceal anything?
Show me the legal bills.
I have! He has paid 2.7 Million to the law firm so far who is representing him in all the birther lawsuits across the country. They are not working pro bono on this and trying to defeat every claim on the standing of the plaintiffs, not the merits of the action.
Again - who spends millions to cover up what can be released for $10?
Common fucking sense. But then again this is obamanomics at work so it might gel for him.
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I have! He has paid 2.7 Million to the law firm so far who is representing him in all the birther lawsuits across the country.
They handle other cases (outside of the birther cases) also, don't they? ;)
Again - who spends millions to cover up what can be released for $10?
If his 3rd name is Muhammed as some suggest it will say, he will lose 5 million votes. Instantly. You know this, mannnn.
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They handle other cases (outside of the birther cases) also, don't they? ;)
If his 3rd name is Muhammed as some suggest it will say, he will lose 5 million votes. Instantly. You know this, mannnn.
As if the middle name is not enough? ;D
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I have! He has paid 2.7 Million to the law firm so far who is representing him in all the birther lawsuits across the country. They are not working pro bono on this and trying to defeat every claim on the standing of the plaintiffs, not the merits of the action.
Again - who spends millions to cover up what can be released for $10?
Common fucking sense. But then again this is obamanomics at work so it might gel for him.
People who have the power and money to keep what they want private.
Common sense says it doesn't prove he was born in outside the USA.
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People who have the power and money to keep what they want private.
Common sense says it doesn't prove he was born in outside the USA.
I believe he was born in Kenya, but als leave room open for the possibility there is something on the longform he needs hidden like it listing another father or something.
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I believe he was born in Kenya, but als leave room open for the possibility there is something on the longform he needs hidden like it listing another father or something.
Yes, a belief based no facts and mostly speculation.
And even then, considering the inability of the power behind those who would gain the most from proving he was born in Kenya it's likely it has something to do with what's on his birth certificate.
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Yes, a belief based no facts and mostly speculation.
And even then, considering the inability of the power behind those who would gain the most from proving he was born in Kenya it's likely it has something to do with what's on his birth certificate.
Here is a real HI BC. until bama releases hisfor $10 this issue will stay fresh. What he released in 2008 was a fraud and forgery.
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Here is a real HI BC. until bama releases hisfor $10 this issue will stay fresh. What he released in 2008 was a fraud and forgery.
Only by morons.
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Only my morons.
No, your morons voted for obama for POTUS in 2008. That is on you holmes. ;D ;D
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No, your morons voted for obama for POTUS in 2008. That is on you holmes. ;D ;D
Yeah... how dare I transpose a "b" for an "m".
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Trump is playing this brilliantly. Wait - its called rope a dope.
it worked he got you hooked ;D
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this will part of the first GOP debates.
question 1 - will all of you who think BO was born in Kenya raise your hand?
question 2 - will all of you who believe in creationism raise your hand?
question 3 - will off of you who want the abortion law overturned raise your hand?
somewhere, many questions later, something about jobs, debt issues might be asked. in the mean time, it will be better than Ringling Bros. Circus to watch!
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i'd LOVE to see the debates start with that!
question 1 - will all of you who think BO was born in Kenya raise your hand?
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People who have the power and money to keep what they want private.
Common sense says it doesn't prove he was born in outside the USA.
Uh common sense says exactly the opposite. Why would the President of the United States spend 2.7 million of his own money to prevent the release of something that is required to prove that he is eligable to be POTUS?
Osama doesn't have the luxury of "keeping what he wants private" when its something like that. As an elected official, he does not and should not have a choice. But then again all of the braindead fucks that voted for this piece of garbage think everyone else should just take his word for it.
FYI you people do realize that there was a Congressional investigation into John McCain's birth certificate. HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT!!?
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Uh common sense says exactly the opposite. Why would the President of the United States spend 2.7 million of his own money to prevent the release of something that is required to prove that he is eligable to be POTUS?
Osama doesn't have the luxury of "keeping what he wants private" when its something like that. As an elected official, he does not and should not have a choice. But then again all of the braindead fucks that voted for this piece of garbage think everyone else should just take his word for it.
FYI you people do realize that there was a Congressional investigation into John McCain's birth certificate. HOW IS THIS DIFFERENT!!?
Is it a law? This isn't about should or shouldn't. (although I agree he should) It's about law or no law.
Is there a congressional investigation into Bama's certificate?
Does his refusal to show records prove he wasn't born in the USA?
Are you a birther too George?
If you are, your request/movement is nothing but a CT. You don't have enough facts to prove anything.
All you have are speculation and conjecture on incomplete info.
Don't get me wrong, like I said earlier, I think he should show it all. But I am not brainwashed or filled with hate and prejudice enough to pass Judegement and claim because he is spending 2.7 million to block access to it that that proves he wasn't born in the USA.
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i'd LOVE to see the debates start with that!
question 1 - will all of you who think BO was born in Kenya raise your hand?
good one!
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I hope whoever debates barry shoves their long form bc in his face like lazio did to hillary and asks "where is yours?".
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Is it a law? This isn't about should or shouldn't. (although I agree he should) It's about law or no law.
Is there a congressional investigation into Bama's certificate?
Does his refusal to show records prove he wasn't born in the USA?
Are you a birther too George?
If you are, your request/movement is nothing but a CT. You don't have enough facts to prove anything.
All you have are speculation and conjecture on incomplete info.
Don't get me wrong, like I said earlier, I think he should show it all. But I am not brainwashed or filled with hate and prejudice enough to pass Judegement and claim because he is spending 2.7 million to block access to it that that proves he wasn't born in the USA.
What other possible reason could he have to spend 2.7 million dollars to prevent the release of a document that every single elected official and the overwhleming majority of the population has in a filing cabinet at home? He has given no explanation. He has provided no reason. All he has done is bent over backwards and spent millions doing it to make sure his bc doesn't see the light of day. My point is that ipso facto there has to be something extremely damaging about his bc, otherwise he would simply release it. Its common sense. The double standard being employed here is sickening. I'm not blinded by hate or anything else. Leftists and those who are too cowardly to call a spade a spade are being blinded by reality just like they have been willfully blind about Obama from day 1. The press and the media have let this man get away with murder from a PR standpoint and continue to be neither critical or intellectally curious. All inquiries into the great ones past are perpatrated by extremists, racists, etc. and meanwhile it is painfully obvious that all of these so called extremists and racists are definetly on to something.
Obviously, you can't prove a negative-- so all of this bullshit speculation will continue until Osama decides the American people are worthy to know if he was born in the United States or Togoland or wherever else.
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BWHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAhah hahhaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Awesome thread!!!!!!!!!!!! Birthers running for cover....
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I believe he was born in Kenya, but als leave room open for the possibility there is something on the longform he needs hidden like it listing another father or something.
will you get your story together? Before you told us all several times that you thought he was born here but was hiding something else and now you just fucking said you believe he was born in Kenya. How the hell can we believe anything you say when you just flip all over like that? It's not like any new facts have come up since you thought he was born here.
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What other possible reason could he have to spend 2.7 million dollars to prevent the release of a document that every single elected official and the overwhleming majority of the population has in a filing cabinet at home? He has given no explanation. He has provided no reason. All he has done is bent over backwards and spent millions doing it to make sure his bc doesn't see the light of day. My point is that ipso facto there has to be something extremely damaging about his bc, otherwise he would simply release it. Its common sense. The double standard being employed here is sickening. I'm not blinded by hate or anything else. Leftists and those who are too cowardly to call a spade a spade are being blinded by reality just like they have been willfully blind about Obama from day 1. The press and the media have let this man get away with murder from a PR standpoint and continue to be neither critical or intellectally curious. All inquiries into the great ones past are perpatrated by extremists, racists, etc. and meanwhile it is painfully obvious that all of these so called extremists and racists are definetly on to something.
Obviously, you can't prove a negative-- so all of this bullshit speculation will continue until Osama decides the American people are worthy to know if he was born in the United States or Togoland or wherever else.
Exactly! What other possible reason would Bama have for doing that?
Is the only possible reason because he wasn't born in the USA?
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No, there are many other possibilities, like his renouncing his citizenship in order to get registered in school in indonesia and no proof of him ever getting citzenship back.
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No, there are many other possibilities, like his renouncing his citizenship in order to get registered in school in indonesia and no proof of him ever getting citzenship back.
Exactly!!!!!
You are coming up with more possibilities.
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Exactly!!!!!
You are coming up with more possibilities.
Yes, that is all we can do for his not doing the common sense thing of paying $10 to release his recods.
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Yes, that is all we can do for his not doing the common sense thing of paying $10 to release his recods.
The $10 thing is not the issue here because what ever it costs wouldn't be relevant to the real issue and is not related to any common sense idea.
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The $10 thing is not the issue here because what ever it costs wouldn't be relevant to the real issue and is not related to any common sense idea.
Oh freaking please. Give me a break, that has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen you post.
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Oh freaking please. Give me a break, that has to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen you post.
I think i either didn't say it right or you misinterpreted what i am saying.
the fact that it cost him $10 isn't the issue here. It wouldn't make any difference how much it cost, even if it didn't cost anything, because he's not withholding the info (blocking access) because of the money.
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I think i either didn't say it right or you misinterpreted what i am saying.
the fact that it cost him $10 isn't the issue here. It wouldn't make any difference how much it cost, even if it didn't cost anything, because he's not withholding the info (blocking access) because of the money.
Ok. Than why is he withholding it? Its like its a criminal case and he needs to plead the 5th. If someone were making all sorts of allegations against me like this for years, so publicly, I wuld simply release the freaking thing. How hard is that?
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Ok. Than why is he withholding it? Its like its a criminal case and he needs to plead the 5th. If someone were making all sorts of allegations against me like this for years, so publicly, I wuld simply release the freaking thing. How hard is that?
Maybe you would maybe you wouldn't. I do know this, Bama is a crafty operator. I wouldn't put it past him that he's not hiding anything and will use it come election time. As far as what he spent to block it.......until i see his tax return, financial records and bank records i don't put too much faith in that he paid for it with his own money.
I will say it is likely he's is hiding something. But evidence of him not being born here is far lacking and would lean towards many other things you and other posters have suggested.
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A man was murdered a few feet away from me. Some of his blood splattered on my shirt. I found the knife on the floor next to him. There were no witnesses to the crime besides myself. I pick up the bloody knife, put it in my pocket and calmly walk away. When the police question me later, I volunteer this information but refuse to provide the knife or my bloody shirt. The police have no leads at the moment. Based on my suspicious behavior they speculate that I was involved with the crime. Day and night I am harassed by cops, mentioned in news reports on television, etc. Because of the bad publicity, I was fired from my job, my girlfriend dumped me, and people in the community have vandalized my home. However, I am independently wealthy so I don't have any problems moving.
I can end all speculation as to my involvement in the crime by presenting the knife and my shirt. I can also give a description of the suspect, but I refuse. Instead, I spend 2.7 million dollars launching a PR campaign to label the police as racists bitterly clinging to guns and religion as I defend myself in court against capital murder charges.
Maybe I am the killer. Maybe ghosts committed the murder and I think no one will believe me. Maybe i am scared that the killer will come after me. Maybe I like being the focal point of attention so I keep the police in suspense...
Oz- is this the line of reasoning that you believe the President of the United States should be following with regard to his birth certificate?
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;D ;D ;D
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A man was murdered a few feet away from me. Some of his blood splattered on my shirt. I found the knife on the floor next to him. There were no witnesses to the crime besides myself. I pick up the bloody knife, put it in my pocket and calmly walk away. When the police question me later, I volunteer this information but refuse to provide the knife or my bloody shirt. The police have no leads at the moment. Based on my suspicious behavior they speculate that I was involved with the crime. Day and night I am harassed by cops, mentioned in news reports on television, etc. Because of the bad publicity, I was fired from my job, my girlfriend dumped me, and people in the community have vandalized my home. However, I am independently wealthy so I don't have any problems moving.
I can end all speculation as to my involvement in the crime by presenting the knife and my shirt. I can also give a description of the suspect, but I refuse. Instead, I spend 2.7 million dollars launching a PR campaign to label the police as racists bitterly clinging to guns and religion and defend myself in court from capital murder charges.
Maybe I am the killer. Maybe ghosts committed the murder and I think no one will believe me. Maybe i am scared that the killer will come after me. Maybe I like being the focal point of attention so I keep the police in suspense...
Oz- is this the line of reasoning that you believe the President of the United States should be following with regard to his birth certificate?
No because the facts and issues are not the same. You started the scenario with committing a crime: obstructing a police investigation and tampering with evidence.
look at my last post:
Maybe you would maybe you wouldn't. I do know this, Bama is a crafty operator. I wouldn't put it past him that he's not hiding anything and will use it come election time. As far as what he spent to block it.......until i see his tax return, financial records and bank records i don't put too much faith in that he paid for it with his own money.
I will say it is likely he's is hiding something. But evidence of him not being born here is far lacking and would lean towards many other things you and other posters have suggested.
You conservatives get so black and white sometimes while libbys tend to over complicate things too much.
My main point to all of this is, his blocking of information doesn't prove he wasn't born here because many other possibilities exist. And its unlikely that he wasn't born here because too many people and organizations stand to gain from proving he wasn't and after 2 years they have zilch evidence. Birthers have nothing.
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A man was murdered a few feet away from me. Some of his blood splattered on my shirt. I found the knife on the floor next to him. There were no witnesses to the crime besides myself. I pick up the bloody knife, put it in my pocket and calmly walk away. When the police question me later, I volunteer this information but refuse to provide the knife or my bloody shirt. The police have no leads at the moment. Based on my suspicious behavior they speculate that I was involved with the crime. Day and night I am harassed by cops, mentioned in news reports on television, etc. Because of the bad publicity, I was fired from my job, my girlfriend dumped me, and people in the community have vandalized my home. However, I am independently wealthy so I don't have any problems moving.
I can end all speculation as to my involvement in the crime by presenting the knife and my shirt. I can also give a description of the suspect, but I refuse. Instead, I spend 2.7 million dollars launching a PR campaign to label the police as racists bitterly clinging to guns and religion as I defend myself in court against capital murder charges.
Maybe I am the killer. Maybe ghosts committed the murder and I think no one will believe me. Maybe i am scared that the killer will come after me. Maybe I like being the focal point of attention so I keep the police in suspense...
Oz- is this the line of reasoning that you believe the President of the United States should be following with regard to his birth certificate?
This is good, although he's the most powerful person on the planet (next to Oprah), so he really has no incentive to do anything.
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I really hope this plays into the debates in 2012
If he is hiding something he is probably toast no matter what.
If he isn't, then its possible for 4 more!
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I really hope this plays into the debates in 2012
Me too - its time to get to the bottom of this mystery.
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A man was murdered a few feet away from me. Some of his blood splattered on my shirt. I found the knife on the floor next to him. There were no witnesses to the crime besides myself. I pick up the bloody knife, put it in my pocket and calmly walk away. When the police question me later, I volunteer this information but refuse to provide the knife or my bloody shirt. The police have no leads at the moment. Based on my suspicious behavior they speculate that I was involved with the crime. Day and night I am harassed by cops, mentioned in news reports on television, etc. Because of the bad publicity, I was fired from my job, my girlfriend dumped me, and people in the community have vandalized my home. However, I am independently wealthy so I don't have any problems moving.
I can end all speculation as to my involvement in the crime by presenting the knife and my shirt. I can also give a description of the suspect, but I refuse. Instead, I spend 2.7 million dollars launching a PR campaign to label the police as racists bitterly clinging to guns and religion as I defend myself in court against capital murder charges.
Maybe I am the killer. Maybe ghosts committed the murder and I think no one will believe me. Maybe i am scared that the killer will come after me. Maybe I like being the focal point of attention so I keep the police in suspense...
Oz- is this the line of reasoning that you believe the President of the United States should be following with regard to his birth certificate?
Where is the part where the Public officials help you conceal the crime?
Me too - its time to get to the bottom of this mystery.
This is a mystery like something in Encyclopedia Brown... ie. A kids fictional novel.
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Untrue.
You said that there could be several reasons as to why he is hiding his bc and spending millions to do so. I gave you a scenario where someone is witholding evidence that can be easily provided for numerous possible reasons and is spending millions to do so.
If Obama is not a citizen of the United States, his entire presidency is illegal. Every law he passed is void and every America killing policy he has implemented will be undone.
You say the birthers have no evidence. There is a ton of circumstantial evidence, the least of which is Obama's own steadfast refusal to release the document for absolutely no good reason.
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Where is the part where the Public officials help you conceal the crime?
This is a mystery like something in Encyclopedia Brown... ie. A kids fictional novel.
This is not a kids fictional novel. Only our child like president and his childish supporters are turning this situation into one. Release the fucking bc and put all of this bullshit speculation to bed. And no, we aren't going to "take your word for it".
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I can't believe this is even an issue. It really shows the desperation of the GOP faithful to go after Obama by any means necessary. He's provided enough ammunition from his policies and decisions yet here we are, talking about a CT.
It's akin to 240 posting Palin slander threads. You don't need to slander the lady, just listen to her for 5 minutes and you realize she is not qualified for higher office.
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1, Obama’s original vault copy of a long form birth certificate, if one exists. Not released.
2, Obama’s certificate of live birth (short form-COLB), a proven forgery released.
3, In 1961 no computers then to photo-shop or produce Obama’s fraudulent COLB document, in fact the font (type) is computer created, no typewriter had that capability in 1961, fact.
4, This is Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate dated Aug. 4, 1961= (in question) http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
5, Dunham-Obama marriage license. Not released.
6, Dunham-Soetoro marriage license. Not released.
7, Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama adoption records. Not released.
8, Obama’s aka Soetoro’s Besuki School application obtained. (proven) http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13056.htm
9, Obama’s aka Soetoro’s Punahou School records. Not released.
10, Selective Service Registration – a proven forgery released and a criminal act. (forgery) http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/004431print.html.
11, Obama’s Occidental College records. Not released.
12, Obama’s passport from Indonesia, he had to have one to attend school in Indonesia. Not released.
13, Obama’s U.S. Passport, if one exists. Not released.
14, Obama entered Pakistan on what countries passport. Not released.
15, Obama’s Columbia University records, a foreign exchange student? Not released.
16, Obama’s Columbia University thesis. Not released.
17, Not one name of any student who knows Obama attendant Columbia released or known.
18, Obama’s Harvard Law School records, a foreign exchange student? Not released.
19, Obama’s Harvard Law Review articles, none released.
20, Obama’s Baptism certificate, if one exists? None released.
21, Obama’s Medical records, not released (a one-page statement Obama is healthy).
22, Obama’s Illinois State Senate records. Not released.
23, Obama’s Illinois State Senate schedule. Not released (alleged to have been lost).
24, Obama’s Law practices client list and billing records. Not released.
26, Obama’s University of Chicago scholarly articles, none released or exist?
27, The reason Obama lost his license to practice law in Illinois. Not released.
28, Obama’s campaign donor analysis. Not released.
29, Obama’s list of campaign workers who are lobbyists. Not released.
30, Obama’s list of countries he visited outside the United States before 2008. Not released.
31, Obama never repatriated to the U.S. from his Indonesia citizenship, if documented. Not released.
32, The U.S. Constitution states you CAN NOT be president if you change your U.S. citizenship and are repatriated and you have to be just to become a U.S. citizen again.
33, On January 21, 2009, his first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489, denying any release of anything about him.
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Untrue.
You said that there could be several reasons as to why he is hiding his bc and spending millions to do so. I gave you a scenario where someone is witholding evidence that can be easily provided for numerous possible reasons and is spending millions to do so.
If Obama is not a citizen of the United States, his entire presidency is illegal. Every law he passed is void and every America killing policy he has implemented will be undone.
You say the birthers have no evidence. There is a ton of circumstantial evidence, the least of which is Obama's own steadfast refusal to release the document for absolutely no good reason.
Not enough evidence to get any investigation started. If there was, you don't think repubs would have started one already?
I guess you are a Birther. You guys have nothing.
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I have a CT for you.
Trump is helping Obama.
He's bringing up the birther issue so that it becomes the dominant issue leading into 2012. Economic policies, Libya, energy independence will all take a back seat as Trump fires up the tea party and media to focus on this. Then right when it looks like the public is agreeing with Trump, they release the long form BC and Obama wins 4 more years based on the one issue he was able to disprove. His birth in the USA.
Meanwhile Trump, who has a show on NBC, NBC! the liberal network! gets a nice kickback from NBC by having the apprentice run for 4 more years as well.
Quid pro quo.
You scratch Obama's back, NBC'll scratch yours.
;D
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1, Obama’s original vault copy of a long form birth certificate, if one exists. Not released.
2, Obama’s certificate of live birth (short form-COLB), a proven forgery released.
3, In 1961 no computers then to photo-shop or produce Obama’s fraudulent COLB document, in fact the font (type) is computer created, no typewriter had that capability in 1961, fact.
4, This is Obama’s Kenyan Birth Certificate dated Aug. 4, 1961= (in question) http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105764
5, Dunham-Obama marriage license. Not released.
6, Dunham-Soetoro marriage license. Not released.
7, Barry Soetoro aka Barack Obama adoption records. Not released.
8, Obama’s aka Soetoro’s Besuki School application obtained. (proven) http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13056.htm
9, Obama’s aka Soetoro’s Punahou School records. Not released.
10, Selective Service Registration – a proven forgery released and a criminal act. (forgery) http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/004431print.html.
11, Obama’s Occidental College records. Not released.
12, Obama’s passport from Indonesia, he had to have one to attend school in Indonesia. Not released.
13, Obama’s U.S. Passport, if one exists. Not released.
14, Obama entered Pakistan on what countries passport. Not released.
15, Obama’s Columbia University records, a foreign exchange student? Not released.
16, Obama’s Columbia University thesis. Not released.
17, Not one name of any student who knows Obama attendant Columbia released or known.
18, Obama’s Harvard Law School records, a foreign exchange student? Not released.
19, Obama’s Harvard Law Review articles, none released.
20, Obama’s Baptism certificate, if one exists? None released.
21, Obama’s Medical records, not released (a one-page statement Obama is healthy).
22, Obama’s Illinois State Senate records. Not released.
23, Obama’s Illinois State Senate schedule. Not released (alleged to have been lost).
24, Obama’s Law practices client list and billing records. Not released.
26, Obama’s University of Chicago scholarly articles, none released or exist?
27, The reason Obama lost his license to practice law in Illinois. Not released.
28, Obama’s campaign donor analysis. Not released.
29, Obama’s list of campaign workers who are lobbyists. Not released.
30, Obama’s list of countries he visited outside the United States before 2008. Not released.
31, Obama never repatriated to the U.S. from his Indonesia citizenship, if documented. Not released.
32, The U.S. Constitution states you CAN NOT be president if you change your U.S. citizenship and are repatriated and you have to be just to become a U.S. citizen again.
33, On January 21, 2009, his first day in office, Barack Obama implemented and signed into law Executive Order 13489, denying any release of anything about him.
BUMP
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All you need to know -
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_birth_certificate.htm
(http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/barackobama/a/obama_birth_certificate.htm)
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So to back up my CT i just found this -
http://olbermannsego.blogspot.com/2009/06/keith-olbermann-really-really-really.html (http://olbermannsego.blogspot.com/2009/06/keith-olbermann-really-really-really.html)
Olbermann lives in a Trump apartment building AND get this....
Are you ready????
HE GOT A DEAL ON A SECOND APARTMENT
:o :o :o :o :o :o
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So to back up my CT i just found this -
http://olbermannsego.blogspot.com/2009/06/keith-olbermann-really-really-really.html (http://olbermannsego.blogspot.com/2009/06/keith-olbermann-really-really-really.html)
Olbermann lives in a Trump apartment building AND get this....
Are you ready????
HE GOT A DEAL ON A SECOND APARTMENT
:o :o :o :o :o :o
as Zero Mostel said in "The Producers" "If ya got, baby, FLAUNT it" Way to go, Keith; I loves ya, man. Enjoy your money!
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Nothing to note... What the fuck is a long form birth certificate anyway? I only have 1 form... My kids only have 1 form... It's got like 10 lines of shit on it... There is no long or short form.
Also, according to Hawaii... Their "Certificate of Live Birth" is all that they give out now anyway.
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Nothing to note... What the fuck is a long form birth certificate anyway? I only have 1 form... My kids only have 1 form... It's got like 10 lines of shit on it... There is no long or short form.
Also, according to Hawaii... Their "Certificate of Live Birth" is all that they give out now anyway.
Not true! There was no such thing as a COLB when obama was born, and the State Registrar has said they still have all of the original records from 1961.
The 2007 COLB is a fake.
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Not true! There was no such thing as a COLB when obama was born, and the State Registrar has said they still have all of the original records from 1961.
The 2007 COLB is a fake.
So again... big conspiracy right?
30 people inside of the Hawaii government are in on this conspiracy to lie to American people.
30 people who are US citizens and Americans whose statements you believe are less believable than people living in Africa.... Right?
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So again... big conspiracy right?
30 people inside of the Hawaii government are in on this conspiracy to lie to American people.
30 people who are US citizens and Americans whose statements you believe are less believable than people living in Africa.... Right?
Did i say that?
What I am saying is there there is most likely very damaging info on the long form BC he cant have released for some reason.
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Did i say that?
What I am saying is there there is most likely very damaging info on the long form BC he cant have released for some reason.
Damaging? I don't understand... Either he is legally allowed to be President or he's not.
Isn't this about legality? Damaging, means some personal info he doesn't want out that is not necessarily against him be eligible for the office?
Either the dude is legally allowed to be President or he's not... There's other shit we're worried about?
According to both the Hawaii state government website and a June 6, 2009 article in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, the computer-generated Certification of Live Birth is the only kind of birth record now issued by the state (original records are stored electronically), so the distinction between "short-form" and "long-form" is moot. When a citizen of Hawaii requests a certified copy of his or her birth certificate from the state, a Certification of Live Birth — what people are calling the "short-form," and what Obama released to the public — is what they get. According to Hawaii Health Department spokesperson Janice Okubo, a COLB contains "all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."
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Thats pure nonsense and contradictory. They have it on microfiche if he authrizes its release since the registrar said thy still have all the original docs.
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Thats pure nonsense and contradictory. They have it on microfiche if he authrizes its release since the registrar said thy still have all the original docs.
That's what they say though... So again... Big Hawaii conspiracy? That's what you're claiming right?
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They can't release it wo barrys authorization. Even ambercrombie said so.
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They can't release it wo barrys authorization. Even ambercrombie said so.
But they say he's legal... they say they've seen it.
They are all lying?
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Ambercrombie never saw the long form bc.
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Ambercrombie never saw the long form bc.
So a conspiracy it is...
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Not enough evidence to get any investigation started. If there was, you don't think repubs would have started one already?
I guess you are a Birther. You guys have nothing.
I am not a birther. I never cared about the issue that much to be honest. What has driven me to make this an issue is the fact that all of you self proclaimed deep thinkers and certified braindead leftist shills are making excuses for Osama. Well maybe this, well maybe that, well maybe your all fucking imbeciles who don't want to acknowledge the possibility that Barak Hussein Osama is a figment of your imaginations. He's a fraud, a radical and a media creation that will go down as the worst President in American history.
Last but not least he might not even be an American.
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I am not a birther. I never cared about the issue that much to be honest. What has driven me to make this an issue is the fact that all of you self proclaimed deep thinkers and certified braindead leftist shills are making excuses for Osama. Well maybe this, well maybe that, well maybe your all fucking imbeciles who don't want to acknowledge the possibility that Barak Hussein Osama is a figment of your imaginations. He's a fraud, a radical and a media creation that will go down as the worst President in American history.
Last but not least he might not even be an American.
I am a certified brain-daed leftest shill? ::)
Sorry, i prefer not to make conclusions off of incomplete info or info that is likely to be tainted and not factual.
I guess what it seems you do is the opposite. Because heaven forbid, you say anything about anything on the left that isn't some sort of attack including your pathetic racist rants.
And i think by all your responses its obvious you are a Birther.
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I am embrace my birthirism 100 percent no apologies.
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I am a certified brain-daed leftest shill? ::)
Sorry, i prefer not to make conclusions off of incomplete info or info that is likely to be tainted and not factual.
I guess what it seems you do is the opposite. Because heaven forbid, you say anything about anything on the left that isn't some sort of attack including your pathetic racist rants.
And i think by all your responses its obvious you are a Birther.
No, you would be a self proclaimed deep thinker. A devils advocate along the lines of 240 although nowhere nearly as annoying or stupid. Again, I am not making conclusions. I am making observations based on the behavior of Osama and those who want to brush this aside as a non story or proclaim that questioning Osama's citizenship is the work of "radicals". My racist rants? Hmmm--- maybe I do think you are a braindead leftist shill. Projecting racism into a race neutral discussion is always a favorite tactic by mindless libs who cannot construct a coherent argument.
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Common sense that we all know is that obama is hiding a lot of stuff.
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No, you would be a self proclaimed deep thinker. A devils advocate along the lines of 240 although nowhere nearly as annoying or stupid. Again, I am not making conclusions. I am making observations based on the behavior of Osama and those who want to brush this aside as a non story or proclaim that questioning Osama's citizenship is the work of "radicals". My racist rants? Hmmm--- maybe I do think you are a braindead leftist shill. Projecting racism into a race neutral discussion is always a favorite tactic by mindless libs who cannot construct a coherent argument.
No, I am a self proclaimed skeptic. I don't think i have ever claimed i was a deep thinker. And for that matter a veteran skeptic might be skeptical of my degree of skepticism. Strike 1.
Also, I don't know that i have called any Birther here a radical. I have compared them heavily to CT'ers. So Strike 2
And then, because you have experienced libs using racism as a tactic in the past you yourself do the same by going on racist rants? How pathetic. Strike 3.
I think you need maybe go see a therapist, because life for you might seem like you are surrounded by billions of liberals to the point that your hate has clouded your vision and you can't see when someone somewhat agrees with you.
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Not quite sure what to make of your strike one except that its cute you have typecasted your personality and political leanings into a neat and subjective label "self proclaimed skeptic". What exactly are you skeptical of? I would imagine not very much. -- Infield fly rule is ineffect and you pop out to the catcher. 1 Out
Again, not sure why you sperimposed yourself into a crticism of other people on this website and in the news media. So either you overshot your mark by generalizing my original critique of those who dismiss birthers as radicals ( Yo think CT'ers are not radical BTW?) or you didn't understand my original intent for addressing this issue-- Oz beats the ball weakly into the ground and is tagged out by the pitcher. 2 Out
Ok, here is where you really swing and miss ( lets stay in baseball mode). What did I say in this thread that was remotely racist? Accusing someone of being racist in the middle of discussing a topic that has nothing to do with race is a play that libs use when they have no argument and nothing intelligent to say. You claim to be intelligent and act like you have plenty to say, so please show me where I went on a racist rant in this thread. After you fail to do so ask yourself, is admitting that your wrong worth making up stories that don't exist?
No, I am just surrounded by morons and mindless children- pseudo intellectuals and "self proclaimed skepticks" that aren't skeptical of anything. I don't hate any of these individuals. Most are a sorce of amusement and occasionally are fun to debate with. I don't need a threapist to stop hurting your feelings.
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Being skepticle is fine, but when its to the point of denying the obvious it looks ridiculous.
This bc issue is real and not going away until bama explains it as well as his sixteen ss numbers.
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it's so funny when 33 has to say "911 couldn't have been an inside job because that many people wouldn't go along with it." Sure. You couldn't bribe/threaten 200 or 500 people to STFU. Impossible. Especially with the 2.3 trillion that went missing on 9/10/2001. no way.
Then - when we have a case where the state of hawaii, all the networks, the FBI, the election commission, and both parties would all have to play along with the lie - suddenly, that's entirely possible!
You can't have it both ways, 33 :)
personally, I think 911 and the birth cert both stink to shit, but it's irrelevant now.
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Being skepticle is fine, but when its to the point of denying the obvious it looks ridiculous.
This bc issue is real and not going away until bama explains it as well as his sixteen ss numbers.
Obvious like WTC 7 was a demolition?
:D
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Not quite sure what to make of your strike one except that its cute you have typecasted your personality and political leanings into a neat and subjective label "self proclaimed skeptic". What exactly are you skeptical of? I would imagine not very much. -- Infield fly rule is ineffect and you pop out to the catcher. 1 Out
Again, not sure why you sperimposed yourself into a crticism of other people on this website and in the news media. So either you overshot your mark by generalizing my original critique of those who dismiss birthers as radicals ( Yo think CT'ers are not radical BTW?) or you didn't understand my original intent for addressing this issue-- Oz beats the ball weakly into the ground and is tagged out by the pitcher. 2 Out
Ok, here is where you really swing and miss ( lets stay in baseball mode). What did I say in this thread that was remotely racist? Accusing someone of being racist in the middle of discussing a topic that has nothing to do with race is a play that libs use when they have no argument and nothing intelligent to say. You claim to be intelligent and act like you have plenty to say, so please show me where I went on a racist rant in this thread. After you fail to do so ask yourself, is admitting that your wrong worth making up stories that don't exist?
No, I am just surrounded by morons and mindless children- pseudo intellectuals and "self proclaimed skepticks" that aren't skeptical of anything. I don't hate any of these individuals. Most are a sorce of amusement and occasionally are fun to debate with. I don't need a threapist to stop hurting your feelings.
Sorry I misunderstood. You said:
No, you would be a self proclaimed deep thinker.
I am not and I don't recall ever saying anything like that. Maybe i did. But i don't think so. But i did proclaim on another threads, and i was specifically talking about CT's, that i was a skeptic. Also i have proclaimed myself the middle mod, neither right or left. So thinking i was referring to my political leanings when i said skeptic is very incorrect. So you see where i came up with the strike? Really, if you think about it, its like 2 strikes, but i am being conservative. :D So, sorry again. Maybe i read it wrong. :)
You could be right, I may have assumed that you were talking about me when you weren't until i read this:
Hmmm--- maybe I do think you are a braindead leftist shill.
So you didn't when you did call me one? ???
Isn't that kind of what you were talking about when you use the word "those"? Or is that different one of your typecast groups?
Additionally, I am not sure you are aware, even casual and traditional people believe in CT's and follow them not just radicals. ;)
On to the races.....
You haven't said anything racist on this thread. You know that. You also know i wasn't talking about that when i first said it:
Because heaven forbid, you say anything about anything on the left that isn't some sort of attack including your pathetic racist rants.
(What i was telling you was, in a round about way, is that you are no different than a extreme lib, hate blurring your vision.)
But you have posted many times using the words or phrase "pavement ape". And frankly that's pretty despicable that you would use racism in your posts becuase.............. how did you put it?
Projecting racism into a race neutral discussion is always a favorite tactic by mindless libs who cannot construct a coherent argument.
Is that why you put racist slurs in your threads? Or am i mistaken? If i am I apologize. Where you trying to be funny when put racist slurs in your threads? Are you trying to make some sort of statement? Just wondering.
No George, i don't think you are surrounded by morons and mindless children- pseudo intellectuals and "self proclaimed skepticks" that aren't skeptical of anything. You just think you are.
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WTC 7 was a demolition
Well, duh.
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Not true! There was no such thing as a COLB when obama was born, and the State Registrar has said they still have all of the original records from 1961.
The 2007 COLB is a fake.
Fake? According to who? The State of Hawaii says it's legit. Are they now covering for BO? Are they in on the CT??
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Fake? According to who? The State of Hawaii says it's legit. Are they now covering for BO? Are they in on the CT??
No, they said the info comports with what they have on record. The nonsense put out for the public is an obvious fake and i have posted many videos showng how that is so. Its pure nonsense and a fabrication for obama to avoid releasing the long form BC.
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No, they said the info comports with what they have on record. The nonsense put out for the public is an obvious fake and i have posted many videos showng how that is so. Its pure nonsense and a fabrication for obama to avoid releasing the long form BC.
so this is a lie by an Hawaii state official? "It's a valid Hawaii state birth certificate," stated Hawaii Department of Health spokesperson Janice Okubo when queried by the St. Petersburg Times'
In addition, the actual physical document was scrutinized and photographed by researchers at FactCheck.org , who determined that it was in fact duly signed, sealed, and certified by the Hawaii state registrar, and "meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship."
Are factcheck.org in on the scam too?
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Another lie by a Hawaiian official? According to Hawaii Health Department spokesperson Janice Okubo, a COLB contains "all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate."
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They created it in 2007!
What people want to see is the one from 1961, not the one from 2007 .
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They created it in 2007!
What people want to see is the one from 1961, not the one from 2007 .
So you are saying those people from the State of Hawaii are lying? This is not an official BC? Hawaii is lying?
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It's pretty telling that this is the most active thread on this board over the last four days. Pathetic.
Far be it for the far-lefties to actually focus on something worthwhile.
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It's pretty telling that this is the most active thread on this board over the last four days. Pathetic.
Far be it for the far-lefties to actually focus on something worthwhile.
we could count the REPONSES on this thread from "conservative" members, ignoring trump's anti-gun, pro-obamacare history.
But that wouldn't be cool, now would it?
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we could count the REPONSES on this thread from "conservative" members, ignoring trump's anti-gun, pro-obamacare history.
But that wouldn't be cool, now would it?
Swing and a miss.
You're batting close to .000 lately, RINO.
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Swing and a miss.
You're batting close to .000 lately, RINO.
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Damaging? I don't understand... Either he is legally allowed to be President or he's not.
Isn't this about legality? Damaging, means some personal info he doesn't want out that is not necessarily against him be eligible for the office?
Either the dude is legally allowed to be President or he's not... There's other shit we're worried about?
I haven't read the whole thread so I apologize if this has been covered.
I think it could be an issue other than legality.
For instance, the BC could list that he is a Muslim. If it does, it's on there because his father was a Muslim, and that's only logical. The easy answer is to say that many people may have a certain religious denomination on their BC that they don't/never did practice. That would be fine.
But, since he chose to hide it, he can't go that route, because he'd be questioned as to why he did. So he'd be stuck and it would damage him further.
There's something there he doesn't want public.
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I haven't read the whole thread so I apologize if this has been covered.
I think it could be an issue other than legality.
For instance, the BC could list that he is a Muslim. If it does, it's on there because his father was a Muslim, and that's only logical. The easy answer is to say that many people may have a certain religious denomination on their BC that they don't/never did practice. That would be fine.
But, since he chose to hide it, he can't go that route, because he'd be questioned as to why he did. So he'd be stuck and it would damage him further.
There's something there he doesn't want public.
IF this is the case -
then obama is legally president, and has zero responsibility to publish it. If we have nothing more than rabid repubs, screaming "look, it says muslim on it!".... then they want it solely for political gain.
if that's the case, why would obama hand them 5 million votes by publishing it? They're NOT going to say "ok, he lives here, let's move on".
Nope.
They're going to look for anything that points muslim, then they'll talk about that for the next 2 years.
So while I think his ass WAS BORN IN KENYA... i also think the repubs screaming abuot it want it so they can beat him in 2012 not because he's legal/illegal, but because they want to let their 527's scream bout "look, he's a muslim" over and over.
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IF this is the case -
then obama is legally president, and has zero responsibility to publish it.
Whether he's legal or not has nothing to do with his responsibility to publish it.
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It's pretty telling that this is the most active thread on this board over the last four days. Pathetic.
Far be it for the far-lefties to actually focus on something worthwhile.
Umm dude, 333333 is by far the leader of the birther movement on this board. Is he far left?
In fact, as 33333 and i have often talked about, he does splatter the board with all kinds of petty stuff.
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Umm dude, 333333 is by far the leader of the birther movement on this board. Is he far left?
I have many other threads going with great info and articles that never go commented on. I take time to update many threads with a ton of good articles that a few people read but are not commented on.
So, while this may be a circus act issue, its but one of hundreds of others I post on and about.
The fact that it so obviously shines light on the ludicrousness of the obama presidency is not my fault, its that of obama and those who voted for this and still support it.
Feel free to engage in a debate on the hundreds of other things I post.
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I have many other threads going with great info and articles that never go commented on. I take time to update many threads with a ton of good articles that a few people read but are not commented on.
So, while this may be a circus act issue, its but one of hundreds of others I post on and about.
The fact that it so obviously shines light on the ludicrousness of the obama presidency is not my fault, its that of obama and those who voted for this and still support it.
Feel free to engage in a debate on the hundreds of other things I post.
You do!
You do!
You do!
and i appreciate and recognize you for that!
But you are the main man for the birther movement here.
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Its in the news and being discussed all over the place. I really am not that arrogant to believe my posts on getbig political are driving the headlines at foxnews, NYT, WAPO, DRUDGE, Etc.
I try to keep my posts relevant and germain to the current national debate.
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mods,
why is'nt the birther stuff moved to the CT board?
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mods,
why is'nt the birther stuff moved to the CT board?
Because its not a CT!
Its discussed on BOR, WAPO, everywhere. its part of the current political debate.
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Because its not a CT!
Its discussed on BOR, WAPO, everywhere. its part of the current political debate.
I see.
911 is the sole basis for the war in afghanistan, an ongoing war.
If there is any chance it was a "let it happen" or WTC7 was demo'd, then that undermines the motive for a US war. That's HUGE. So let's move all the 911 threads back here, then?
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I see.
911 is the sole basis for the war in afghanistan, an ongoing war.
If there is any chance it was a "let it happen" or WTC7 was demo'd, then that undermines the motive for a US war. That's HUGE. So let's move all the 911 threads back here, then?
Are 911 CT's discussed on BOR nightly? The View?
whether you like it or not - Trump has gotten bama's likely foreign birth on the mainstream news outlets for discussion.
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Its in the news and being discussed all over the place. I really am not that arrogant to believe my posts on getbig political are driving the headlines at foxnews, NYT, WAPO, DRUDGE, Etc.
I try to keep my posts relevant and germain to the current national debate.
Driving the headlines? Over stuff like Lybia, the economy, healthcare, Afghanistan etc...
And just think Bama bracket stuff gets play by the right too. Lol
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Are 911 CT's discussed on BOR nightly? The View?
whether you like it or not - Trump has gotten bama's likely foreign birth on the mainstream news outlets for discussion.
For the moment.
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mods,
why is'nt the birther stuff moved to the CT board?
I could, but it has a lot of political relevance at the moment and it's still debatable as to whether or Not it's a CT. Although I think it is. So for the meantime it will stay.
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For the record, I would want the info released. My take is, there are some misdoings he is covering up that could damage him politically, but not COB issues. Again, I could be wrong and I do believe the possibility exists that there nothing to hide and it's political maneuver saved for another day.
Either way I do hope it does become an issue during the 2012 election.
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I could, but it has a lot of political relevance at the moment and it's still debatable as to whether or Not it's a CT. Although I think it is. So for the meantime it will stay.
I don't care one way or the other, but it's notable that not one potential presidential candidate is talking about the sinister conspiracy to shoot a missile into the Pentagon, fake a plane crash, and kidnap and murder civilians in broad daylight.
I think this is really a non-issue, but at least Trump doesn't sound like he's coo coo for cocoa puffs.
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For the record, I would want the info released. My take is, there are some misdoings he is covering up that could damage him politically, but not COB issues. Again, I could be wrong and I do believe the possibility exists that there nothing to hide and it's political maneuver saved for another day.
Either way I do hope it does become an issue during the 2012 election.
Ok, fine, but if that is the case and he is playing games with this, is that really something to be admired or condoned on any level while people are discussing this for four years now? if thats the case, he has wasted court time, media time, and the time of many when for $10 he can just end this whole mystery.
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Ok, fine, but if that is the case and he is playing games with this, is that really something to be admired or condoned on any level while people are discussing this for four years now? if thats the case, he has wasted court time, media time, and the time of many when for $10 he can just end this whole mystery.
What politician hasn't grandstanded some useless issue wasting everyone's time at one time or another. But I agree.
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Trump warns of 'greatest scam' ever
By: CNN Political Unit
(CNN) – It's official: Donald Trump is a "birther." But he'd prefer you don't use that term.
Speaking to MSNBC Thursday, the business mogul and improbable presidential candidate reiterated much of what he has said in the last several days when it comes to doubting President Obama's birthplace, declaring, "I am embracing the issue, and I'm proud of the issue. I think somebody has to embrace it."
Trump, who in the last two weeks has raised the debunked issue on several programs, added he finds the term "birther" downright insulting.
"I don't like the name birther," he said. "I think it's very unfair and derogatory to a lot of good people that happen to think there is a possibility that this man was not born in this country."
Trump added he will continue to press the issue because, "If it were true, it'd be the greatest scam in the history of this country."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/31/trump-warns-of-greatest-scam-ever/#more-152312
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Trump warns of 'greatest scam' ever
By: CNN Political Unit
(CNN) – It's official: Donald Trump is a "birther." But he'd prefer you don't use that term.
Speaking to MSNBC Thursday, the business mogul and improbable presidential candidate reiterated much of what he has said in the last several days when it comes to doubting President Obama's birthplace, declaring, "I am embracing the issue, and I'm proud of the issue. I think somebody has to embrace it."
Trump, who in the last two weeks has raised the debunked issue on several programs, added he finds the term "birther" downright insulting.
"I don't like the name birther," he said. "I think it's very unfair and derogatory to a lot of good people that happen to think there is a possibility that this man was not born in this country."
Trump added he will continue to press the issue because, "If it were true, it'd be the greatest scam in the history of this country."
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/31/trump-warns-of-greatest-scam-ever/#more-152312
Awesome!
I too am proud to be a birther.
Birthers of the world unite!
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Sorry I misunderstood. You said:
I am not and I don't recall ever saying anything like that. Maybe i did. But i don't think so. But i did proclaim on another threads, and i was specifically talking about CT's, that i was a skeptic. Also i have proclaimed myself the middle mod, neither right or left. So thinking i was referring to my political leanings when i said skeptic is very incorrect. So you see where i came up with the strike? Really, if you think about it, its like 2 strikes, but i am being conservative. :D So, sorry again. Maybe i read it wrong. :)
You could be right, I may have assumed that you were talking about me when you weren't until i read this:
So you didn't when you did call me one? ???
Isn't that kind of what you were talking about when you use the word "those"? Or is that different one of your typecast groups?
Additionally, I am not sure you are aware, even casual and traditional people believe in CT's and follow them not just radicals. ;)
On to the races.....
You haven't said anything racist on this thread. You know that. You also know i wasn't talking about that when i first said it:
(What i was telling you was, in a round about way, is that you are no different than a extreme lib, hate blurring your vision.)
But you have posted many times using the words or phrase "pavement ape". And frankly that's pretty despicable that you would use racism in your posts becuase.............. how did you put it?
Is that why you put racist slurs in your threads? Or am i mistaken? If i am I apologize. Where you trying to be funny when put racist slurs in your threads? Are you trying to make some sort of statement? Just wondering.
No George, i don't think you are surrounded by morons and mindless children- pseudo intellectuals and "self proclaimed skepticks" that aren't skeptical of anything. You just think you are.
A lot going on here. I'll just address my alleged racist rants. The term pavement ape isn't something that I came up with. Someone on the G+O board coined the phrase and I stole it. I think it’s pretty hysterical to be honest with you. Not because it disparages American blacks, but because it’s an original insult that I had never heard before. I never use any racist commentary except when I am dealing with anti-white racists; Ie Betty Blanco, SAMSON and the like (or when I am commenting on a youtube video of blacks ganging up on a white lady and her son, news stories about black’s gang raping 11 year old girls, black panthers intimidating voters etc.). As far as I am concerned, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. So if you are not above calling them out on it, you can kiss my despicable ass for following suit. On other occasions I am trying to be funny-- I would never randomly make a racist comment unless it was warranted or had strong comedic value. I would say that the only group I am against completely (and if it makes you better to call me a racist so be it) is the Islamic plague. Everyone else I judge on a completely individual basis.
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A lot going on here. I'll just address my alleged racist rants. The term pavement ape isn't something that I came up with. Someone on the G+O board coined the phrase and I stole it. I think it’s pretty hysterical to be honest with you. Not because it disparages American blacks, but because it’s an original insult that I had never heard before. I never use any racist commentary except when I am dealing with anti-white racists; Ie Betty Blanco, SAMSON and the like (or when I am commenting on a youtube video of blacks ganging up on a white lady and her son, news stories about black’s gang raping 11 year old girls, black panthers intimidating voters etc.). As far as I am concerned, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. So if you are not above calling them out on it, you can kiss my despicable ass for following suit. On other occasions I am trying to be funny-- I would never randomly make a racist comment unless it was warranted or had strong comedic value. I would say that the only group I am against completely (and if it makes you better to call me a racist so be it) is the Islamic plague. Everyone else I judge on a completely individual basis.
From the get go i thought it was a fairly borderline racist slur and considered whether i should ask you not to post it anymore. Then yesterday i looked it up on google. Because until yesterday i had no idea how derogatory and racist it was. So just to be clear I'll have to ask you not to post that phrase or term any more on this board.
Thanks.
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Is "hood rat" any better?
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Is "hood rat" any better?
I don't know that i have ever heard "hood rat" connected with a racist slur. But i could be wrong. Remember, I live in California and I don't have any racist friends or hang out with outwardly racist people.
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I don't know that i have ever heard "hood rat" connected with a racist slur. But i could be wrong. Remember, I live in California and I don't have any racist friends or hang out with outwardly racist people.
LMAO.
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I don't know that i have ever heard "hood rat" connected with a racist slur. But i could be wrong. Remember, I live in California and I don't have any racist friends or hang out with outwardly racist people.
Hood rat is a reference to a ghetto ass girl.
It's not racist.
Lots of hood rats of all ethnic backgrounds.
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LMAO.
hahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Hood rat is a reference to a ghetto ass girl.
It's not racist.
Lots of hood rats of all ethnic backgrounds.
Oh ok thanks.
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I don't care one way or the other, but it's notable that not one potential presidential candidate is talking about the sinister conspiracy to shoot a missile into the Pentagon, fake a plane crash, and kidnap and murder civilians in broad daylight.
I think this is really a non-issue, but at least Trump doesn't sound like he's coo coo for cocoa puffs.
We spend what, $2 billion per week on a series of wars made possible by the fishiness of 911.
So if you're talking about the war, you're talking about something that caused the war. it's relevant. You can't talk about a person on death row without talking about the crime that put them there. You can't talk about someone being preggo without relating to the cawk that put the baby there. And the seeds of war are relevant to the wars we face - if suddenly a rumsfeld came out tomorrow with a 911 confession, there'd be a lot of soldiers in afghanistan saying "can I go home now, a-holes?"
So it's relevant. This birther stuff is CT.
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We spend what, $2 billion per week on a series of wars made possible by the fishiness of 911.
So if you're talking about the war, you're talking about something that caused the war. it's relevant. You can't talk about a person on death row without talking about the crime that put them there. You can't talk about someone being preggo without relating to the cawk that put the baby there. And the seeds of war are relevant to the wars we face - if suddenly a rumsfeld came out tomorrow with a 911 confession, there'd be a lot of soldiers in afghanistan saying "can I go home now, a-holes?"
So it's relevant. This birther stuff is CT.
::) No reasonable, intelligent person cares about that stupid 9/11 crap.
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;D
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I'm starting to like Trump more and more. He's right, this would be the biggest con in history if Obama doesn't have a birth certificate. Would Biden be President for the rest of his term or would we have a re-election?
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I'm starting to like Trump more and more. He's right, this would be the biggest con in history if Obama doesn't have a birth certificate. Would Biden be President for the rest of his term or would we have a re-election?
nothing would happen. lawsuits would tie this up for years. Obama would skip 2012 for 'family reasons'. Hilary would donkey punch whatever birther/screamer the GOp runs.
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nothing would happen. lawsuits would tie this up for years. Obama would skip 2012 for 'family reasons'. Hilary would donkey punch whatever birther/screamer the GOp runs.
If convincing evidence against Obama's NBC came forward, there would be too much pressure on him to carry on his Presidency. And everyone would be jumping on the birther bandwagon, saying they were always on board.
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If convincing evidence against Obama's NBC came forward, there would be too much pressure on him to carry on his Presidency. And everyone would be jumping on the birther bandwagon, saying they were always on board.
'carry on'.... lol i don't think he'd give up his job as most powerful man on planet because a bunch of crazy CTers said it.
and the media labels any birther a nutbag. Trump will have 'birther CTer" in front of his name forever now. Wait n see.
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I have many other threads going with great info and articles that never go commented on. I take time to update many threads with a ton of good articles that a few people read but are not commented on.
So, while this may be a circus act issue, its but one of hundreds of others I post on and about.
The fact that it so obviously shines light on the ludicrousness of the obama presidency is not my fault, its that of obama and those who voted for this and still support it.
Feel free to engage in a debate on the hundreds of other things I post.
I do.
I try to poke fun at as many as I can ! ;D
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Go ahead. I'm eagerly waiting.
Why not start with my Obama collapsing the nation thread?
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Is Obama Sr. Really Junior's Daddy?
Wizbang ^ | April 1, 2011 | locomotivebreath1901
Shame and embarrassment might be the sole reason for Obama's million dollar secret.
I like Donald Trump. He's good entertainment. I wouldn't vote for him as President, but he is a man who likes to poke alligators with sticks. This particular alligator is named 'birther.' It's getting long in the tooth, and ain't very productive, but it's still worth a bag of popcorn.
Yesterday on MSNBC, Mr. Trump announced that he's 'embracing' the birther issue.
"Trump, who is mulling a 2012 presidential bid, has been arguing it's possible President Obama wasn't born in the United States and therefore isn't eligible to be president (a claim by the so-called "birthers").
After getting little traction the last couple of years, except from tin-foil-hat fringe of the political spectrum, the 'show us the birth certificate' issue apparently is the thing that just won't die. The issue even knocked on the door of SCOTUS earlier this year with Hollister v. Soetoro, only to have the Court refuse to hear the matter.
It's estimated Obama has spent nearly a million dollars to keep the birth certificate sealed away from prying eyes. As a small concession to the 'birther' demands, Obama did release a 'Certificate of Live Birth' issued by the Honolulu hospital where he was born. That, however, is distinct and separate from an official Hawaiian birth certificate. His defenders insist that ends the matter.
Trump stirred the 'birther' pot anew by appearing last week on ABC's wretched cluck fest, The View.
"I really believe there's a birth certificate," said Trump. "Why doesn't he show his birth certificate? And you know what? I wish he would. Because I think it's a terrible pail [sic] that's hanging over him. He should show his birth certificate."(VIDEO)
Predictably, Woopy Goldberg's knee jerked violently as she threw a race card Donald's way. He ducked. Trump also went on Good Morning America, the Laura Ingraham Show, and Fox News' O'Reilly Factor to trumpet Obama as an 'impostor', and the lack of a public birth certificate as the 'greatest scam.'
All this has anti-birther, Obama supporters messing their diapers over Trump's aggressive media campaign about the thing that just won't die, with their own campaign to question Trump's character and intelligence.
Yet, in brilliant turn about, Trump lured these Lefty hyenas into a pile of their own squeeze when he released his 'certificate of live birth' issued by Jamaica hospital in Queens, NY, only to have the Lefties savage Trump for 'only' releasing the hospital certificate and not the actual official birth certificate! The very next day, Trump released his official N.Y. birth certificate. 'You've just proved my point' quickly silenced the hyenas.
I think Obama's sooper seekrit birth certificate has a very simple explanation which has nothing to do with whether or not he is a natural born American citizen (he is), or a closet Muslim allied with the forces of jihad (he's not), or a ringer with a bogus social security number and sealed collegiate records engaged in a tryst with zombie Karl Marx... (ok. maybe that's plausible).
I think the mystery surrounding his birth certificate has everything to do with Obama Jr.'s questionable parentage, and the fact that Barack Obama Sr. might not be his real father.
Author Jack Cashill lays out evidence to unpack the mystery with four speculations concerning junior's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, with her 'shadow' marriage, and the quicky birth of her only son:
1)Ann Dunham and unknown Seattle male.
"Although this theory would make sense of the family's abrupt move to Hawaii and Ann's seemingly sudden departure to Seattle after Obama's birth, it introduces too many variables I was unable to substantiate."
2)Barack Sr. and Ann Dunham
"A couple marries in a different county like Maui to keep the notification out of the local news. No one attended the wedding, not Abercrombie, not Ann's parents. In fact, no one in Barack Sr.'s clique seemed to know there was a relationship, let alone a wedding.
Neil Abercrombie's brother, Hal, never saw Ann and Barack Sr. together. Another clique member, Pake Zane, who had distinct memories of the outsized Barack Sr., could not recall Ann at all. If the young couple were making its home on Kalanianole Hwy. as the newspaper announcements claim, some friend should have at least remembered" 3)Stanley Dunham (ann's father) and unknown black woman
"This theory makes sense of the secret marriage in Maui, Stanley's enduring fondness for Barack Sr., the powerful resemblance between Stanley Dunham and Obama, and the Dunhams' apparent willingness to subsidize mother and baby in Seattle."
4)Ann Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis
"Were the married Davis the father, and had Dunham introduced his daughter to him, it may explain what Obama has described as "the complicated, unspoken transaction between the two men." In this scenario, both would have had a vested interest in finding someone else to take the paternity rap. By keeping the marriage secret, they would have allowed Barack Sr. to continue living the life of a single man."
So why does Pres. Obama spend a million dollars to keep his birth records sealed to this day? Could it be that our President simply wants to shield the memory of his beloved mother from the shame and embarrassment of her flagrante delicto promiscuity? But in today's uber-liberal cultural wasteland of America, does anyone really care about a promiscuous mother and her bastard child? What other reason could there be to have a million dollar secret?
Jack Cashill explores the mystery that is Barack Hussein Obama at length in his new book "Deconstructing Obama."
Roger Aronoff at Accuracy in Media interviews Mr. Cashill about his new book here.
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Is it possible that Obama doesn't know who his father is?
Statistically, that would appear to be the logical outcome.
Racist post reported.