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Getbig Main Boards => Politics and Political Issues Board => Topic started by: Straw Man on April 14, 2011, 08:57:19 AM
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704728004576176741120691736.html#articleTabs%3Darticle
see article and full questionare at link
here are some other findings
74% in favor of eliminating tax credits for oil and gas industries
68% in favor of eliminating Bush tax cuts of > 250k income
44% in favor of gradually turning Medicare into voucher program - but 50% are opposed
45% in favor of eliminating funding for Planned Parenthood - but 53% opposed
You'd think both parties would be able to get behind ideas that are popular with 70-80% or at least not be opposed to them.
If Repubs won't even consider raising taxes on the weathly (and we're talking about tiny increases that they won't even notice) or eliminating tax credits for the most profitable companies in the history of our planet then who do they really represent?
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It's all the welfare leaches who should be allowed to vote anyway Straw. Haven't you learned anything from 333s posts?
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Oh there is a big surprise - people asking for someone else to pay more. ::) ::)
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Oh there is a big surprise - people asking for someone else to pay more. ::) ::)
So basically we should penalize the successful? WTF happened to America?
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So basically we should penalize the successful? WTF happened to America?
We have become a nation of leeches, parasites, takers, grifters, and deluded idiots with zero sense of economics.
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We have become a nation of leeches, parasites, takers, grifters, and deluded idiots with zero sense of economics.
kudos for including yourself in that list
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kudos for including yourself in that list
How did that stim bill and QE2 work out jackass?
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How did that stim bill and QE2 work out jackass?
it did more for the economy than the Bush tax cuts and cost less too
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it did more for the economy than the Bush tax cuts and cost less too
Ha ha ha ha ha - you mean the ones your messiah just extended 4 months ago and rails against today?
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Ha ha ha ha ha - you mean the ones your messiah just extended 4 months ago and rails against today?
damn, you've already swallowed and regurgitated the talking point hook, line a sinker
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704728004576176741120691736.html#articleTabs%3Darticle
You'd think both parties would be able to get behind ideas that are popular with 70-80% or at least not be opposed to them.
Almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare right now. So you're cool with getting rid of it? After all, "you'd think both parties would be able to get behind ideas that are popular with 70-80% or at least not be opposed to them."
Returning to the tax levels of the Clinton years wouldn't be a bad thing. Nor would taxing the 50% of Americans who pay dick every year, too.
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Almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare right now. So you're cool with getting rid of it? After all, "you'd think both parties would be able to get behind ideas that are popular with 70-80% or at least not be opposed to them."
Returning to the tax levels of the Clinton years wouldn't be a bad thing. Nor would taxing the 50% of Americans who pay dick every year, too.
I don't see that in the article
did you find that in the questionare? which page?
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I don't see that in the article
did you find that in the questionare? which page?
I made a thread showing an AP poll yesterday. Feel free to search it out.
So I'll ask again. Almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare right now. Are you OK with getting rid of it? After all, it was you who just said, "you'd think both parties would be able to get behind ideas that are popular with 70-80% or at least not be opposed to them."
Or are you just a hypocrite?
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I made a thread showing an AP poll yesterday. Feel free to search it out.
So I'll ask again. Almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare right now. Are you OK with getting rid of it? After all, it was you who just said, "you'd think both parties would be able to get behind ideas that are popular with 70-80% or at least not be opposed to them."
Or are you just a hypocrite?
you wrote a paragragh yet couldn't be bother to post a link to your thread or the AP poll ?
Since you couldn't make the effort why should I?
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Any way to skirt the point.
Basically, majority opinion only matters when it falls in line with your viewpoints. Percentages be damned when you don't agree. :D :D :D :D
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Anyway to skirt the point. Thanks for playing, hypocrite.
Basically, majority opinion only matters when it falls in line with your viewpoints. Percentages be damned when you don't agree. :D :D :D :D
you posted an article but no link to actual poll (common habit on this board)
You should learn to read polls for yourself rather than just some authors opinion of what it said
here's the poll mentioned in the article you posted: http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK%20Poll%20032911.pdf
show me where you found where 70% disapprove
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Here's an idea, how about dictator Obama forces GE to pay their full taxes instead of letting them slip by...oh that's right, they are not in disfavor with his excellency so he gives them a free pass but wants t raise taxes on everyone else. What a hypocrite. Obama is a worthless liar.
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Here's an idea, how about dictator Obama forces GE to pay their full taxes instead of letting them slip by...oh that's right, they are not in disfavor with his excellency so he gives them a free pass but wants t raise taxes on everyone else. What a hypocrite. Obama is a worthless liar.
all he has to do is convince the Repubs to alter the tax code to close those loopholes
you should call Obama and explain to him how to convince the Repubs to go along with that
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all he has to do is convince the Repubs to alter the tax code to close those loopholes
you should call Obama and explain to him how to convince the Repubs to go along with that
Only thing they should call him up to do is demand he release his long form BC and as about his 16 fake SS # he is using.
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Only thing they should call him up to do is demand he release his long form BC and as about his 16 fake SS # he is using.
don't you have enough birther threads to post your delusional nonsense
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It's all the welfare leaches who should be allowed to vote anyway Straw. Haven't you learned anything from 333s posts?
So, what about the 48% of Americans that pay no income taxes?
The Top 20% pay 86% of all income taxes in the United States, so if you want to even start a conversation on "fairness" start with those that pay ZERO in income taxes.
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So basically we should penalize the successful? WTF happened to America?
Tell me about it. Liberals thrive on class warfare.
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So, what about the 48% of Americans that pay no income taxes?
The Top 20% pay 86% of all income taxes in the United States, so if you want to even start a conversation on "fairness" start with those that pay ZERO in income taxes.
it's pretty simple
those who have benefited from our markets and are very wealthly can afford to pay a little bit more (and won't even feel it)
where are all those patriots who love their country so much?
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it's pretty simple
those who have benefited from our markets and are very wealthly can afford to pay a little bit more (and won't even feel it)
where are all those patriots who love their country so much?
Haha, did you just honestly quote Obama's speech from yesterday in an effort to prove your point? Jesus, you're pathetic.
The top 20% already paying 86% shows that they're being quite patriotic. Why don't the 50% who don't pay anything show their support for the American way of life and chip in a little? ::)
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it's pretty simple
those who have benefited from our markets and are very wealthly can afford to pay a little bit more (and won't even feel it)
where are all those patriots who love their country so much?
::) ::)
Since that number does not even make a dent into our debt and deficit problems - is your enthusiastic "soak the rich" crap based on actual deficit reduction numers or a sense of "fairness" ad "make the bastards pay" far left rhetoric? ?
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::) ::)
Since that number does not even make a dent into our debt and deficit problems - is your enthusiastic "soak the rich" crap based on actual deficit reduction numers or a sense of "fairness" ad "make the bastards pay" far left rhetoric? ?
It's your typical socialist rhetoric. Obama dropped the same exact line in his shitty speech yesterday.
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it's pretty simple
those who have benefited from our markets and are very wealthly can afford to pay a little bit more (and won't even feel it)
where are all those patriots who love their country so much?
Again, why aren't you concerned about half the nation not paying income taxes? Why is that not a big deal to you? I agree that the ultra rich have an advantage via tax deductions, itemized deductions, and the ability to have a lot of "income" fall under capital gains (15% for long term or 25% short term), that can be easily rectified.
But, again, half the nation pays zero income taxes and a large majority of that 48% actually gets money/services from the govt. Why isn't that a big deal to you? Half the fucking nation knows nothing of the cost of govt. why should 20% of the nation pay for 86% of the bills? You want to talk about "paying your fair share" you should probably start with half the nation paying ZERO in income taxes and not the top 4-5% that pay 50% of the income taxes.
I mean, really?
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it did more for the economy than the Bush tax cuts and cost less too
BUSH tax cuts?? Four months ago, they were the OBAMA tax cuts, according to the media sack-slurpers.
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It's your typical socialist rhetoric. Obama dropped the same exact line in his shitty speech yesterday.
You made a claim that 70% disaprove of Obama care and although you were too lazy to provide the actual source I provided it for you
Here is it again (so you don't have to be bothered to scroll up)
Please tell me the where in this poll you see result. I've read it and I can't find it
http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK%20Poll%20032911.pdf
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BUSH tax cuts?? Four months ago, they were the OBAMA tax cuts, according to the media sack-slurpers.
no they weren't
they were always the Bush Tax cuts and he was always opposed to extending them but the Repubs decided to hold up extending unemployment benefits at Christmas time (not that the time of year matters) and so he caved in and extended the Bush Tax Cuts
Remember all the rhetoric about "extortion" and "hostage takers"
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Again, why aren't you concerned about half the nation not paying income taxes? Why is that not a big deal to you? I agree that the ultra rich have an advantage via tax deductions, itemized deductions, and the ability to have a lot of "income" fall under capital gains (15% for long term or 25% short term), that can be easily rectified.
But, again, half the nation pays zero income taxes and a large majority of that 48% actually gets money/services from the govt. Why isn't that a big deal to you? Half the fucking nation knows nothing of the cost of govt. why should 20% of the nation pay for 86% of the bills? You want to talk about "paying your fair share" you should probably start with half the nation paying ZERO in income taxes and not the top 4-5% that pay 50% of the income taxes.
I mean, really?
You have to remember that you're dealing with a retard here. This guy's entire existence revolves around "being rich = horrible and being an impoverished benefit-leech who contributes nothing to anything = good".
Quoting his Messiah and asking the people who already pay 86% of this country's taxes to "pay a little more" is pretty comical. Think about the revenues they could generate if the 50% of deadbeats that don't pay anything were taxed.
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no they weren't
they were always the Bush Tax cuts and he was always opposed to extending them but the Repubs decided to hold up extending unemployment benefits at Christmas time (not that the time of year matters) and so he caved in and extended the Bush Tax Cuts
Remember all the rhetoric about "extortion" and "hostage takers"
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81% of Americans are ignorant sluts.
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Almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare right now. So you're cool with getting rid of it? After all, "you'd think both parties would be able to get behind ideas that are popular with 70-80% or at least not be opposed to them."
Returning to the tax levels of the Clinton years wouldn't be a bad thing. Nor would taxing the 50% of Americans who pay dick every year, too.
so even when I provide the poll which you were too lazy to find yourself you are still too lazy to merely prove your own claim ?
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so even when I provide the poll which you were too lazy to find yourself you are still too lazy to merely prove your own claim ?
Prove what? I posted a Businessweek article. Businessweek is a widely read, very well received and entirely credible news source. I didn't bother clicking your link and I'm certainly not going to waste my time sorting through pages of .pdf files as I have no reason to believe that they would be dishonest. If you have a problem with it, feel free to take it up with Businessweek. I'm certainly not going to waste my time with it.
You can replace "Obamacare" with "illegal immigration" and my point still stands. Americans have been consistently against the policies of your God and his party yet they carry on their merry own way. Why do the numbers matter now? Can't be because they fall in line with your beliefs, could it? ::)
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it's pretty simple
those who have benefited from our markets and are very wealthly can afford to pay a little bit more (and won't even feel it)
where are all those patriots who love their country so much?
Why? Because you think so? What about those that don't pay cent or work for that matter? Where are all those patriots that love their country so much? Oh thats rights its easier to let someone else foot the bill, well because they have managed to become successful. This right here is the reason I cannot identify with the left wing, their thought process is foreign to me. Always looking for a way to take from the productive to give to the unproductive. I don't think I'm entitled to anything, and I don't think anyone else is either. Its very simple, get off your ass and contribute, if thats to much to ask then, well tuff shit you go without.
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Prove what? I posted a Businessweek article. Businessweek is a widely read, very well received and entirely credible news source. I didn't bother clicking your link and I'm certainly not going to waste my time sorting through pages of .pdf files as I have no reason to believe that they would be dishonest. If you have a problem with it, feel free to take it up with Businessweek. I'm certainly not going to waste my time with it.
You can replace "Obamacare" with "illegal immigration" and my point still stands. Americans have been consistently against the policies of your God and his party yet they carry on their merry own way. Why do the numbers matter now? Can't be because they fall in line with your beliefs, could it? ::)
here's the text of the article
where is the statement that "almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare
btw - if you weren't too lazy to read the poll you'd see when asked whether they approve of approve, disapprove or neither approve nor disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling healthare you'd see the result was 52% total aproval vs 48% total disaprove
Again - you should really read the source documents yourself so you don't appear to be misinformed or even worse, a liar (I'll assume you just misinformed like most people on the right)
A new poll finds support for President Barack Obama's overhaul at its lowest level since passage last year.
Worries about government deficits that keep rising due to health care costs appear to be driving the numbers.
The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent, while opposition stands at 45 percent, and another 17 percent are neutral.
Among seniors, support has dipped below 30 percent for the first time.
But in an interview Tuesday with the AP, Medicare chief Donald Berwick pleaded for more time on the health care law. And he branded a leading Republican plan "unfair and harmful" and "a form of withholding care."
The poll comes ahead of a major speech by Obama on the deficit, scheduled for Wednesday.
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People like blacken, Straw, KC, Benny, Mal, andre et al think the parasite, the leech, the grifter, the gang banger, the thug, the Peggy Joseph, the Crystal Mangum, the welfare bum, the whino, the doper, the ex con are pillars ofthe society and need to be taken care of by the evil taxpayers who slave away all day as it is.
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Why? Because you think so? What about those that don't pay cent or work for that matter? Where are all those patriots that love their country so much? Oh thats rights its easier to let someone else foot the bill, well because they have managed to become successful. This right here is the reason I cannot identify with the left wing, their thought process is foreign to me. Always looking for a way to take from the productive to give to the unproductive. I don't think I'm entitled to anything, and I don't think anyone else is either. Its very simple, get off your ass and contribute, if thats to much to ask then, well tuff shit you go without.
because it's fair and (yes, I think so) which is exactly the same reason for your point of view
the people who have benefitted the most can afford to give a little more and at the very lease we shouldn't have to borrow money in order to give the wealthy a tax cut that they don't even need
that's just common sense and common decency
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here's the text of the article
where is the statement that "almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare
btw - if you weren't too lazy to read the poll you'd see when asked whether they approve of approve, disapprove or neither approve nor disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling healthare you'd see the result was 52% total aproval vs 48% total disaprove
Again - you should really read the source documents yourself so you don't appear to be misinformed or even worse, a liar (I'll assume you just misinformed like most people on the right)
Hahahah, really? I should read the sources when you're the one playing word games? Why did you choose to ignore the sentence before the one you bolded?
"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"
"Opposition to" something and "disapproving" something are two different concepts, slick. Looks like Businessweek was right here. Funny, and I bet you thought you had me pegged here.
But kudos to you for completely warping the point of my post. Not surprising as you know addressing my question would expose you for a hypocrite.
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Again, why aren't you concerned about half the nation not paying income taxes? Why is that not a big deal to you? I agree that the ultra rich have an advantage via tax deductions, itemized deductions, and the ability to have a lot of "income" fall under capital gains (15% for long term or 25% short term), that can be easily rectified.
But, again, half the nation pays zero income taxes and a large majority of that 48% actually gets money/services from the govt. Why isn't that a big deal to you? Half the fucking nation knows nothing of the cost of govt. why should 20% of the nation pay for 86% of the bills? You want to talk about "paying your fair share" you should probably start with half the nation paying ZERO in income taxes and not the top 4-5% that pay 50% of the income taxes.
I mean, really?
Again, why aren't you concerned about half the nation not paying income taxes? Why is that not a big deal to you? I agree that the ultra rich have an advantage via tax deductions, itemized deductions, and the ability to have a lot of "income" fall under capital gains (15% for long term or 25% short term), that can be easily rectified.
But, again, half the nation pays zero income taxes and a large majority of that 48% actually gets money/services from the govt. Why isn't that a big deal to you? Half the fucking nation knows nothing of the cost of govt. why should 20% of the nation pay for 86% of the bills? You want to talk about "paying your fair share" you should probably start with half the nation paying ZERO in income taxes and not the top 4-5% that pay 50% of the income taxes.
I mean, really?
Again, why aren't you concerned about half the nation not paying income taxes? Why is that not a big deal to you? I agree that the ultra rich have an advantage via tax deductions, itemized deductions, and the ability to have a lot of "income" fall under capital gains (15% for long term or 25% short term), that can be easily rectified.
But, again, half the nation pays zero income taxes and a large majority of that 48% actually gets money/services from the govt. Why isn't that a big deal to you? Half the fucking nation knows nothing of the cost of govt. why should 20% of the nation pay for 86% of the bills? You want to talk about "paying your fair share" you should probably start with half the nation paying ZERO in income taxes and not the top 4-5% that pay 50% of the income taxes.
I mean, really?
Why does Straw Man keep ignoring this post? Is it because he's incapable of refuting it?
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People like blacken, Straw, KC, Benny, Mal, andre et al think the parasite, the leech, the grifter, the gang banger, the thug, the Peggy Joseph, the Crystal Mangum, the welfare bum, the whino, the doper, the ex con are pillars ofthe society and need to be taken care of by the evil taxpayers who slave away all day as it is.
I've never takend a day of welfare, unemployment in my life.
why don't you move out of the ghetto and quite whining about your neighbors
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because it's fair and (yes, I think so) which is exactly the same reason for your point of view
the people who have benefitted the most can afford to give a little more and at the very lease we shouldn't have to borrow money in order to give the wealthy a tax cut that they don't even need
that's just common sense and common decency
Oh so now we are going into this moral argument of whats fair? Is it fair that I have to get up everyday, work 60+ hours a week, just so my tax dollars can go to someone who chooses not to? What kind of fucked up reasoning is that?
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Oh so now we are going into this moral argument of whats fair? Is it fair that I have to get up everyday, work 60+ hours a week, just so my tax dollars can go to someone who chooses not to? What kind of fucked up reasoning is that?
You've seen this guy's posting history, right? He's a moron so of course his reasoning is fucked up. He's a bay-area liberal living in fantasy land.
Here are some other classics:
"The post office is doing well."
"George Washington was as liberal as I am."
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You've seen this guy's posting history, right? He's a moron so of course his reasoning is fucked up. He's a bay-area liberal living in fantasy land.
Well it makes no sense to me, there was a time in this country where "well-fare" was handled by charitable contributions ( the church, salvation army.......) and the goodwill of others. But now that the left has managed to entrench itself in the government I am forced to do so, just so they can buy votes with my tax dollars. Yeah straw lets fucking talk about what is fair and common decency ::)
If you want to give money to the poor, more power to you, but the problem is you think its perfectly acceptable to use the government to force everyone to do so. Sorry but its my money I earned it and I will decide what I do with it.
And one more thing, I am about fed up with this leftist ideology that being poor is some debilitating disease, and its no their fault bullshit.
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Hey Straw - if you feel you are being taxed too little - why not donate what you feel is fair to the US Treasury?
Ootherwise, leave me the fuck alone and take your failed bright ideas and shove them up your ass.
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Why does Straw Man keep ignoring this post? Is it because he's incapable of refuting it?
are you fucking joking
I can't respond to every post all the time but since it seems important to you I'll respond to it as soon as you show me proof of your statement that "almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare righ now" or admit you're a liar (or the new Republican way of saying you're a liar) that "it was not intended to be a factual statement"
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Hey Straw - if you feel you are being taxed too little - why not donate what you feel is fair to the US Treasury?
Ootherwise, leave me the fuck alone and take your failed bright ideas and shove them up your ass.
I'll be glad to leave you alone
just stop posting here
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are you fucking joking
I can't respond to every post all the time but since it seems important to you I'll respond to it as soon as you show me proof of your statement that "almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare righ now" or admit you're a liar (or the new Republican way of saying you're a liar) that "it was not intended to be a factual statement"
I'm lying? I quoted a Businessweek article. I was even nice enough to bold it in my above response to you. Thanks for ignoring it, though. Not surprising coming from the guy who can't admit that he was caught out on his "the post office is doing well" claim and his equally retarded "Washington was as liberal as I am" claim. ::)
Just for good measure, I'm going to again post the part that you tried to weasel out of bolding:
"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"
You're playing word games. And if it bothers you enough, feel free to take it up with Businessweek, as they're the ones that wrote the article. Or do you not understand that it's possible to disapprove of something while not being opposed to it?
You're a fucking weasel, though. I have to hand it to you, you're hammering this in an effort to ignore the question I asked. Good work. You definitely fit the Bay-Area liberal bill to the "t".
Feel free to refute Gigantor anytime you want. The fact you keep ignoring his post says a lot about you, though. :-\
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I'm lying? I quoted a Businessweek article. I was even nice enough to bold it in my above response to you. Thanks for ignoring it, though. Not surprising coming from the guy who can't admit that he was caught out on his "the post office is doing well" claim and his equally retarded "Washington was as liberal as I am" claim. ::)
Just for good measure, I'm going to again post the part that you tried to weasel out of bolding:
"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"
You're playing word games. And if it bothers you enough, feel free to take it up with Businessweek, as they're the ones that wrote the article. Or do you not understand that it's possible to disapprove of something while not being opposed to it?
You're a fucking weasel, though. I have to hand it to you, you're hammering this in an effort to ignore the question I asked. Good work. You definitely fit the Bay-Area liberal bill to the "t".
Feel free to refute Gigantor anytime you want. The fact you keep ignoring his post says a lot about you, though. :-\
is this a joke?
can you read
Here is what you said:
I made a thread showing an AP poll yesterday. Feel free to search it out.
So I'll ask again. Almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare right now. Are you OK with getting rid of it? After all, it was you who just said, "you'd think both parties would be able to get behind ideas that are popular with 70-80% or at least not be opposed to them."
Or are you just a hypocrite?
That statement appears no where in the story you posted
What does appear in the story is that 45% are opposed
How do you see 45% and turn it into 70%
Here's the actual page from the poll which you were too lazy to find and when I gave it to you were too lazy to read
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Arguing with people who can't grasp simple English is pretty annoying.
I keep quoting the article and you keep ignoring it.
"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"
"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"
"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"
If you have a problem with the way this is worded, feel free to email BusinessWeek's editors. But the fact is that there isn't a problem with the wording. You can disapprove of something yet not be opposed to it. Disapprove =/= oppose. Learn English. Honestly. ::)
Again, props to you for ignoring the entire point of the post which was the question I asked you. You are one stupid fuck. But this isn't surprising given your posting history.
Let me say it again. You can SWITCH "Obamacare" with any other issue where there has been a majority of Americans against the President (Arizona's illegal immigration law, for starters) and the Obama regime still went against their wishes.
Roughly 70% of Americans supported Arizona’s illegal immigration law and yet Obama sued. Face it, majority opinion only matters when it falls in line with your beliefs. The rest of the time you’re too busy being a typical Bay-area elitist prick who thinks he knows better than everyone else. Hypocrite.
Feel free to refute Gigantor now. But you can't so you'll continue ignoring it. :D
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Its amazing far leftist hacks like Straw blame the mess his own state is in on guess what? Too low property taxes!
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Its amazing far leftist hacks like Straw blame the mess his own state is in on guess what? Too low property taxes!
He's an elitist Bay-Area liberal. They don't know anything outside of the fairy tale world they've built up in their own heads. It's why they're a laughing stock to the rest of the country.
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Arguing with people who can't grasp simple English is pretty annoying.
I keep quoting the article and you keep ignoring it.
"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"
"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"
"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"
If you have a problem with the way this is worded, feel free to email BusinessWeek's editors. But the fact is that there isn't a problem with the wording. You can disapprove of something yet not be opposed to it. Disapprove =/= oppose. Learn English. Honestly. ::)
Again, props to you for ignoring the entire point of the post which was the question I asked you. You are one stupid fuck. But this isn't surprising given your posting history.
Let me say it again. You can SWITCH "Obamacare" with any other issue where there has been a majority of Americans against the President (Arizona's illegal immigration law, for starters) and the Obama regime still went against their wishes.
Roughly 70% of Americans supported Arizona’s illegal immigration law and yet Obama sued. Face it, majority opinion only matters when it falls in line with your beliefs. The rest of the time you’re too busy being a typical Bay-area elitist prick who thinks he knows better than everyone else. Hypocrite.
Feel free to refute Gigantor now. But you can't so you'll continue ignoring it. :D
again - you should read the poll
here's some more from the actual poll
hint - all you have to do is click on the link and then you can read the source material for yourself
http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK%20Poll%20032911.pdf
why can't BF just show us the page where his statement comes from
Here are two more conclusions from the same poll
52% approve of the way Barack Obama is handling health care
53% trust Democrats to do a better job of "handling health care"
BF - just find the page to support your claim and post it.
It's really easy and then you won't look like a liar
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Arguing with people who can't grasp simple English is pretty annoying.
I keep quoting the article and you keep ignoring it.
"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"
not only did I not ignore it
I posted the actual question and the actual results
total support = 35%
total oppose = 45% (take notice how this is not 70%)
neither suport or opose = 17%
somehow you've read that and your brain produced the lie that
Almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare right now.
do you get it yet?
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You honestly think I care enough about this to waste my time digging through pages of .pdfs? You're a fucking joke on here and I'm certainly not going to waste my time when Businessweek has already done the leg work for me. If it bothers you so much (it clearly does), feel free to email them about it. But, I suspect they'll be laughing at you as you clearly have a lacking grasp of the English language.
You seem to be incapable of grasping the fact that you can disapprove of something without being opposed to it.
I'll say this for the last time, though, as you're too fucking stupid to actually bother responding to the entire point of my post. You can REPLACE "Obamacare" with any other thing that was opposed by the majority of Americans yet Obama still went full steam ahead on and the point stands. The Arizona immigration law is a perfect example.
You are a hypocrite that only cares about popular opinion when it falls in line with your beliefs.
Feel free to refute GigantorX anytime you feel like it. I know that you're obsessing over my post in an effort to avoid responding to his. This is the game you play when you're backed into a corner. Thread derailment and feigning ignorance. You did this in the post office thread. You did it in the George Washington thread. And you're doing it in this thread.
It really is like talking to a fourth-grader here.
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And when publc support is overwhelmingly against them, like on most things, they run to court, usually the 9th Cir., and appluad when puoplar initiatives are struck down.
STRAW = PHONEY.
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And when publc support is overwhelmingly against them, like on most things, they run to court, usually the 9th Cir., and appluad when puoplar initiatives are struck down.
STRAW = PHONEY.
He's a hypocrite and a retard.
He should stick to quoting his socialist messiah. "50% of this country pays shit in taxes but the rich can afford to give a little more so we're going to bleed them in order to carry on with our suicidal spending policies. If you don't agree with me you're not patriotic".
Pathetic.
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No benes to illegals - voters want it - libs dont. Libs run to court to shut it down.
Case closed.
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You honestly think I care enough about this to waste my time digging through pages of .pdfs? You're a fucking joke on here and I'm certainly not going to waste my time when Businessweek has already done the leg work for me. If it bothers you so much (it clearly does), feel free to email them about it. But, I suspect they'll be laughing at you as you clearly have a lacking grasp of the English language.
You seem to be incapable of grasping the fact that you can disapprove of something without being opposed to it.
I'll say this for the last time, though, as you're too fucking stupid to actually bother responding to the entire point of my post. You can REPLACE "Obamacare" with any other thing that was opposed by the majority of Americans yet Obama still went full steam ahead on and the point stands. The Arizona immigration law is a perfect example.
You are a hypocrite that only cares about popular opinion when it falls in line with your beliefs.
Feel free to refute GigantorX anytime you feel like it. I know that you're obsessing over my post in an effort to avoid responding to his. This is the game you play when you're backed into a corner. Thread derailment and feigning ignorance. You did this in the post office thread. You did it in the George Washington thread. And you're doing it in this thread.
It really is like talking to a fourth-grader here.
translation = you said 70% dissaprove of "Obamacare" and when faced with irrefutable evidence that you are a liar you're not even man enough to admit your mistake (remember first I said you were misinformed - now I have to assume you are a willful liar)
I have to say this is a new low point for you.
When faced with the facts you could have said you mispoke but you decided to go with being a liar
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Again, why aren't you concerned about half the nation not paying income taxes? Why is that not a big deal to you? I agree that the ultra rich have an advantage via tax deductions, itemized deductions, and the ability to have a lot of "income" fall under capital gains (15% for long term or 25% short term), that can be easily rectified.
But, again, half the nation pays zero income taxes and a large majority of that 48% actually gets money/services from the govt. Why isn't that a big deal to you? Half the fucking nation knows nothing of the cost of govt. why should 20% of the nation pay for 86% of the bills? You want to talk about "paying your fair share" you should probably start with half the nation paying ZERO in income taxes and not the top 4-5% that pay 50% of the income taxes.
I mean, really?
it's not a big deal for me because they have no money. If they make so little income that they pay no taxes (and actually need support) then what's the point in trying to squeeze money out of them that they don't have.
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translation = you said 70% dissaprove of "Obamacare" and when faced with irrefutable evidence that you are a liar you're not even man enough to admit your mistake (remember first I said you were misinformed - now I have to assume you are a willful liar)
I have to say this is a new low point for you.
When faced with the facts you could have said you mispoke but you decided to go with being a liar
Really? I said "almost" 70% (65% rounded up). You chose to play word games and can't wrap your head around the fact that "opposed to" =/= "disapprove of". You didn't catch anyone out. All you did was show that you have a rudimentary command of English.
Ironic that you're calling others liars for not admitting their wrong when you've spent the better part of a year now refusing to admit that you were owned on both the post office fiasco and the George Washington debacles. Even with irrefutable evidence showing that you were talking out of your ass. Well, never mind, you are a gigantic hypocrite in almost everything you do so it's not surprising.
Not only that, but you missed the entire point of the post, which was to show you for the hypocrite. You people on the far-left don't give two flying fucks about majority opinion when it goes against your beliefs. Now that it has, for once, fallen in line with yours, you're all gung-ho about wanting to respect that.
Sorry hypocrite, but try as you might, you're not going to have it both ways.
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No benes to illegals - voters want it - libs dont. Libs run to court to shut it down.
Case closed.
QFT
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QFT
Oil drilling: 2/3 of Americans or w/e the number want it restarted. Obama gets held in contempt of court instead.
Libya: Majority of Americans don't support it. Obama continues invasion.
Arizona immigration law: 2/3 of Americans support it. Obama sues Arizona.
The list is endless.
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Really? I said "almost" 70% (65% rounded up). You chose to play word games and can't wrap your head around the fact that "opposed to" =/= "disapprove of". You didn't catch anyone out. All you did was show that you have a rudimentary command of English.
Not only that, but you missed the entire point of the post, which was to show you for the hypocrite. You people on the far-left don't give two flying fucks about majority opinion when it goes against your beliefs. Now that it has, for once, fallen in line with yours, you're all gung-ho about wanting to respect that.
Sorry hypocrite, but try as you might, you're not going to have it both ways.
Almost 70% (rounded up from 65 where ever you got that number from) do not oppose or disapprove
you are a liar ....... either that or you're just very stupid
the #'s are there for you to look at
45% oppose or disaprove
52% of the very same reponsdents said that they approve of the way Barack Obama is handling health care
Any way you look at it your statement is completely false
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Oil drilling: 2/3 of Americans or w/e the number want it restarted. Obama gets held in contempt of court instead.
Libya: Majority of Americans don't support it. Obama continues invasion.
Arizona immigration law: 2/3 of Americans support it. Obama sues Arizona.
The list is endless.
yeah - whatever the number actually is ::)
who gives a shit
it sounds good and it supports your point of view so run with it
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yeah - whatever the number actually is ::)
who gives a shit
it sounds good and it supports your point of view so run with it
Hahaha, you mad? The number is over 50 and under 75. Either way, it's a MAJORITY, and that's all that matters.
Congrats, though. This thread has solidified your passing of Blacken on my list of Getbig's biggest dipshits. I'll reward you with a tip: learn English. :)
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Hahaha, you mad? The number is over 50 and under 75. Either way, it's a MAJORITY, and that's all that matters.
Congrats, though. This thread has solidified your passing of Blacken on my list of Getbig's biggest dipshits. I'll reward you with a tip: learn English. :)
you got owned, pin arms :D :D :D :D :D :D
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Congrats on moving down to #2, Blacken! :D :D :D :D
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can you post that picture of you for all to see :D :D :D
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you got owned, pin arms :D :D :D :D :D :D
it's stunning that this idiot is trying to argue about 3rd grade math
he sees "35%" support and assumes that 65% oppose and then rounds that up to 70%
I suggested he look at the actual poll and even gave him a link on page 1 when he was too lazy to find it and he spends the next two pages trying to deny what is plain to any third grader with normal brain function
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Hahaha, two retards patting each other on the back. Too funny. Meanwhile, he continues trying to hide the fact that he's a gigantic hypocrite. Now THAT isn't surprising.
Protip: If you're relying on Blacken for backup, you've already lost.
Post office
George Washington
etc
etc
:D :D :D :D
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Hahaha, two retards patting each other on the back. Too funny. Meanwhile, he continues trying to hide the fact that he's a gigantic hypocrite. Now THAT isn't surprising.
Protip: If you're relying on Blacken for backup, you've already lost.
Whats funny is you just described your posting relationship with 333! :D :D :D
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Whats funny is you just described your posting relationship with 333! :D :D :D
Or yours with Islam. :D :D :D :D
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If only 35% supports something - especially after the govt spent $200 million of taxpayer money shilling for this pofs, doesnt that tell you fools something?
Face it - your messiah is a failure, his bills are a failure, andhence by extension - you idiots still supporting him are a failure.
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Hahaha, two retards patting each other on the back. Too funny. Meanwhile, he continues trying to hide the fact that he's a gigantic hypocrite. Now THAT isn't surprising.
Protip: If you're relying on Blacken for backup, you've already lost.
I don't need "backup"
all I need to do is read the poll which you claim shows 70% disaproval to see you're a liar
plain as day to anyone who can read
serious question - why didn't you just admit you mispoke? Why the 2 pages of nonsense?
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If only 35% supports something - especially after the govt spent $200 million of taxpayer money shilling for this pofs, doesnt that tell you fools something?
Face it - your messiah is a failure, his bills are a failure, andhence by extension - you idiots still supporting him are a failure.
Straw Man, kcballer, blacken and co.:
(http://bunkerville.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/obama-lemmings1.jpg)
I don't need "backup"
all I need to do is read the poll which you claim shows 70% disaproval to see you're a liar
plain as day to anyone who can read
serious question - why didn't you just admit you mispoke? Why the 2 pages of nonsense?
Because I didn't. You don't understand English. Businessweek and I do.
Serious question - why have you spent the last 1+ years refusing to admit that you were wrong about the Post Office and George Washington? Why 50+ pages of nonsense? ::)
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Or yours with Islam. :D :D :D :D
Hahaha i don't tongue fu*k islam every chance i get ;)
Unlike you and 333 who seem to be rather close. Perhaps romantic jetski getaways are in your future?
I guess anyone looks like they love islam when they take a balanced view of things and don't just typecast based on minority extremism. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If only 35% supports something - especially after the govt spent $200 million of taxpayer money shilling for this pofs, doesnt that tell you fools something?
Face it - your messiah is a failure, his bills are a failure, andhence by extension - you idiots still supporting him are a failure.
52% approve of the way Barack Obama is handling health care according to that very same poll
that's a fact
you can even check it for yourself
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Hahaha i don't tongue fu*k islam every chance i get ;)
Unlike you and 333 who seem to be rather close. Perhaps romantic jetski getaways are in your future?
I guess anyone looks like they love islam when they take a balanced view of things and don't just typecast based on minority extremism. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Bahahahahahahah! Good joke.
I actually don't agree with 333 on a lot of stuff. For starters, I'm all for things like gay marriage and abortion.
Sorry that we don't slobber Obama's knob like you and your buddies do. My bad for being rational and not acting like a pathetic sheeple. :'(
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52% approve of the way Barack Obama is handling health care according to that very same poll
that's a fact
you can even check it for yourself
And that is why polls are a fucking joke, how can a majority be against Obamacare, yet a majority approves of the way he is handling it, make alot of sense ::)
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Straw Man, kcballer, blacken and co.:
(http://bunkerville.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/obama-lemmings1.jpg)
Because I didn't. You don't understand English. Businessweek and I do.
Serious question - why have you spent the last 1+ years refusing to admit that you were wrong about the Post Office and George Washington? Why 50+ pages of nonsense? ::)
really
the Businessweek article had the numbers correct (45% oppose and 35 approve) and conveniently left out that 52% approve of the way Barack Obama is handling health care according to that very same poll
Dunces like you come along and read the story and make a false conclusion and then run with it and when faced with the facts try to deny it
What's the big deal with just saying you were incorrect and moving on ?
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It's funny that Straw Man has used this in an attempt to derail the thread from my exposing his hypocrisy.
Let's lay this out for the umpteenth time. Straw is crying that we should listen to the majority of Americans on this issue. Meanwhile, elitists like himself, who think they know better than everyone else have supported his God-King when:
- 60% of Americans favored restarting drilling in the Gulf. Obama instead chose to be held in contempt of court with regards to issuing permits.
- Over 60% of Americans supported Arizona's illegal immigration laws. Obama instead chose to sue the state.
- Libya: The majority of Americans were against intervention. Obama carried right on with it.
But NOW he wants to run with majority opinion. Why? Because it falls in line with his beliefs (for once).
He is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.
But it's not surprising given that he's spent over 1+ years denying that he was wrong on both his claim that the post office was doing well and the George Washington was as liberal as he is. And if I'm not mistaken, the Duke study last month was another thread where he embarrassed himself badly, as well. To be honest, there are too many examples of this guy embarrassing himself to count.
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And that is why polls are a fucking joke, how can a majority be against Obamacare, yet a majority approves of the way he is handling it, make alot of sense ::)
I don't disagree which I why whenever I see a poll quoted in a story I always try to find the actual poll and look at all the info
Newsmax and World Net Daily are by far the worst at that kind of shit
They will do a story on some poll (often with no author attributed to the story) and when you find the actual poll and read it you see the conclusions are nothing like what they are reported and often contrary to what they reported
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I don't disagree which I why whenever I see a poll quoted in a story I always try to find the actual poll and look at all the info
Newsmax and World Net Daily are by far the worst at that kind of shit
They will do a story on some poll (often with no author attributed to the story) and when you find the actual poll and read it you see the conclusions are nothing like what they are reported and often contrary to what they reported
Gallup has your messiah at 42% today. Are they far right?
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It's funny that Straw Man has used this in an attempt to derail the thread from my exposing his hypocrisy.
Let's lay this out for the umpteenth time. Straw is crying that we should listen to the majority of Americans on this issue. Meanwhile, elitists like himself, who think they know better than everyone else have supported his God-King when:
- 60% of Americans favored restarting drilling in the Gulf. Obama instead chose to be held in contempt of court with regards to issuing permits.
- Over 60% of Americans supported Arizona's illegal immigration laws. Obama instead chose to sue the state.
- Libya: The majority of Americans were against intervention. Obama carried right on with it.
But NOW he wants to run with majority opinion. Why? Because it falls in line with his beliefs (for once).
He is a hypocrite. Plain and simple.
derail the thread ?
I started the thread and it wasn't even about health care
you piped in with a false statement and I asked you for the source and when you were too lazy even provided the source for you
the person who derailed the thread was you
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Gallup has your messiah at 42% today. Are they far right?
beats me
you got a link ?
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No. Like I've said five times now, healthcare was an EXAMPLE. You could substitute anything out for it (Arizona's immigration law is a good example) and the point that you're a hypocrite still stands. Why is that hard for you to grasp?
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beats me
you got a link ?
www.gallup.com
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www.gallup.com
meh - 3 day rolling average
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx
don't really know what significance it has
btw - even if he was @ 80% approval would it change one single solitary opinion that you have about him?
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No. Like I've said five times now, healthcare was an EXAMPLE. You could substitute anything out for it (Arizona's immigration law is a good example) and the point that you're a hypocrite still stands. Why is that hard for you to grasp?
and your example was proven to be false
if you want to make some other assertions then provide the source data or will assume you are lying again
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meh - 3 day rolling average
And here's the typical Straw Man hypocrisy again. Anytime this guy is presented with poll facts that aren't in line with his far-left beliefs he immediately tries to discredit them or play the results down. Yet now he's sitting here praising the WSJ poll because, for once, the majority opinion lines up with his.
What a shitty troll.
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And here's the typical Straw Man hypocrisy again. Anytime this guy is presented with poll facts that aren't in line with his far-left beliefs he immediately tries to discredit them or play the results down. Yet now he's sitting here praising the WSJ poll because, for once, the majority opinion lines up with his.
What a shitty troll.
where did you present poll facts?
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where did you present poll facts?
Talking about Gallup in this instance, you illiterate retard. Are your reading comprehension skills really THAT bad?
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Talking about Gallup in this instance, you illiterate retard. Are your reading comprehension skills really THAT bad?
what's your problem with my response
I said I don't think a three day rolling average of favorability means much (that is my opinion) and I gave you a link to a chart (which I'm sure you didn't bother to look at to that that he's been up and down inside a 10 point range)
that's what you're trying to call my hypocrisy?
what would be a "BF acceptable reponse" to that three day rolling average?
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Call this the envy tax. It results in about $7 billion of extra revenue each year. Not near enough to be worth the risk of hurting job creation.
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Call this the envy tax. It results in about $7 billion of extra revenue each year. Not near enough to be worth the risk of hurting job creation.
which tax are you referring to?
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Call this the envy tax. It results in about $7 billion of extra revenue each year. Not near enough to be worth the risk of hurting job creation.
Taxation doesn't hurt job creation any more than lowering taxes increases job creation. Jobs are created out of need not out of ability to afford.
Edit - Just wanted to add excessive taxation will cause less jobs to be created, but excessive is the key word and honestly it's hard to say what is and is not. We had a low unemployment rate with tax rates at or above current levels. What will cutting them then do when business has already proven it's not necessary through years of low unemployment? My guess is share buybacks or a nice dividend for shareholders. The truth is we are a country that is run on consumer ability to spend. When that was cut, so too were jobs in that area of the economy. Until people start consuming again there is no sense in hiring anyone.
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Taxation doesn't hurt job creation any more than lowering taxes increases job creation. Jobs are created out of need not out of ability to afford.
proven many times but still somehow the myth persists or perhaps it's just the Repubs (politician - not voters) don't really give a rats ass about jobs or the economy and only care about their uber wealthy patrons (including those "people" who don't breath our air or drink our water and have no allegiance to our country.......corporatio ns)
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proven many times but still somehow the myth persists or perhaps it's just the Repubs (politician - not voters) don't really give a rats ass about jobs or the economy and only care about their uber wealthy patrons (including those "people" who don't breath our air or drink our water and have no allegiance to our country.......corporatio ns)
Dude please, you act like the Dems are any better, they are just as if not more in the pockets of the highest bidder.
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Ahahahaha, as if the Dems care about the economy or job creation when they spent the last 2 years doing everything BUT addressing the economic problems in this country.
The Dems have turned into quite the laughing stock.
Dude please, you act like the Dems are any better, they are just as if not more in the pockets of the highest bidder.
The multitude of Goldman Sachs employees and other Wall St./Corporate big wigs serving in positions for the Obama regime say hello!
You're talking to a wall here. Straw Man is the same dipshit that thinks the Dems aren't spending ENOUGH. ::)
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Wall street gave mostly to dems last time. Ge ceo heads bamas jobs panel. Bama charging 30k a head for fund raisers etc.
Yeah dems are for the little guy. Ha ha ha.
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Dude please, you act like the Dems are any better, they are just as if not more in the pockets of the highest bidder.
That's very true and has been the sad reality of the Obama years thus far. Too much rhetoric, not enough action. Perhaps he would be seen as a great president were we in the 70's when media could be more easily controlled and distanced but in the here and now, he's failed to live up to the promise of change.
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Wall street gave mostly to dems last time. Ge ceo heads bamas jobs panel. Bama charging 30k a head for fund raisers etc.
Yeah dems are for the little guy. Ha ha ha.
Hahahaha! He's done a great job fooling the lemmings like KCballer and Straw Man, that's for sure. They'd gladly follow this guy off a cliff.
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Hahahaha! He's done a great job fooling the lemmings like KCballer and Straw Man, that's for sure. They'd gladly follow this guy off a cliff.
And here comes the generalizations. Doesn't take long does it? haha
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And here comes the generalizations. Doesn't take long does it? haha
What's there to generalize when you've done nothing but defend 99.99% of what this guy does? I call it like I see it.
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What's there to generalize when you've done nothing but defend 99.99% of what this guy does? I call it like I see it.
Hahaha yeah okay. ::)
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Let's see - geither, summers, rubin, ratner the car czar, goldman people all over, citi hacks all over, etc, but yeah bama is for the working guy.
What a joke.
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Let's see - geither, summers, rubin, ratner the car czar, goldman people all over, citi hacks all over, etc, but yeah bama is for the working guy.
What a joke.
I know plenty of working people who can afford $30k/plate fundraisers.
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What's there to generalize when you've done nothing but defend 99.99% of what this guy does? I call it like I see it.
or you just make shit up when you don't see what you want
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or you just make shit up when you don't see what you want
You mad? Quick, tell us again how well the post office is doing or how George Washington was as liberal as you are. :D :D :D :D
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Wall street gave mostly to dems last time. Ge ceo heads bamas jobs panel. Bama charging 30k a head for fund raisers etc.
Yeah dems are for the little guy. Ha ha ha.
Of course, they needed to bribe Obama.
They already had Bush in their pocket when he got elected, that was a much cheaper election for them
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We need to make the lower-class and the big corporations like GE pay taxes. Everyone pays them, or no-one does.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704728004576176741120691736.html#articleTabs%3Darticle
see article and full questionare at link
here are some other findings
74% in favor of eliminating tax credits for oil and gas industries
68% in favor of eliminating Bush tax cuts of > 250k income
44% in favor of gradually turning Medicare into voucher program - but 50% are opposed
45% in favor of eliminating funding for Planned Parenthood - but 53% opposed
You'd think both parties would be able to get behind ideas that are popular with 70-80% or at least not be opposed to them.
If Repubs won't even consider raising taxes on the weathly (and we're talking about tiny increases that they won't even notice) or eliminating tax credits for the most profitable companies in the history of our planet then who do they really represent?
Million Dollars ain't that much these days, and i'm against punishing people for being productive.
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That's great, people are in favor of taxing those that make more than them. Not too shocking.
But again, it's not a revenue problem that this nation has. Go ahead and tax some more those making over 250k and what you will get back in revenue will be comparable to someone pissing in the Atlantic Ocean so can we please stop going around and believing that it will even help?
1.7 trillion dollar deficit
3.5 trillion dollar budget
Those are the numbers that matter. Not 70-100 billion in additional tax revenue, and once again, there will still be a massive deficit so that 100billion in increased revenue will now go to servicing the debt.
We've all given our stands and thoughts on taxes, loopholes, corp. taxes etc, but revenue isn't the problem.
Class-Warfare misdirection, red herrings and propaganda is great at distracting us from the real problem. Spending.
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Million Dollars ain't that much these days, and i'm against punishing people for being productive.
how is raising taxes by a few % (on people who have gained the most and wouldn't even feel the effect) to help out their country = punishment
why not call it an investment in their future prosperity since their future wealth (assuming they are business people and that's always how it is portrayed) is dependent upon a healthy economic environment
how about just rolling the tax rate back to the levels they were under Clinton. Were the wealthy being punished in the 1990's?
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how is raising taxes by a few % (on people who have gained the most and wouldn't even feel the effect) to help out their country = punishment
why not call it an investment in their future prosperity since their future wealth (assuming they are business people and that's always how it is portrayed) is dependent upon a healthy economic environment
how about just rolling the tax rate back to the levels they were under Clinton. Were the wealthy being punished in the 1990's?
and you think giving money to the govt is whats going to cause this healthy economic enviroment? LMFAO really?
are you ok with 49% not paying any federal income tax at all straw? is that fair to you?
I love how you assume they will not feel it, that their children will not feel it, their grand children will not feel it.
The simple fact of the matter is that no matter how much we tax were still going to run a deficit b/c of SPENDING!!!
address the spending first and get that down to a reasonable level and then well talk about taking money away from ppl who have EARNED it
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and you think giving money to the govt is whats going to cause this healthy economic enviroment? LMFAO really?
are you ok with 49% not paying any federal income tax at all straw? is that fair to you?
I love how you assume they will not feel it, that their children will not feel it, their grand children will not feel it.
The simple fact of the matter is that no matter how much we tax were still going to run a deficit b/c of SPENDING!!!
address the spending first and get that down to a reasonable level and then well talk about taking money away from ppl who have EARNED it
I already answered that question
I'm in favor of increasing taxes (slightly) on those who have benefited the most, who can actually afford it (slight increase in taxes won't change their life a bit)
nothing complicated, confusing or unfair about that
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For what purpose since it will barely make a dent in the deficit and debt?
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For what purpose since it will barely make a dent in the deficit and debt?
at this point, both parties know their bullshit fighting over 380million in total cuts.... total posturing. Neither party will stop the debt. Let that ceiling hit. Fucccckit.
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I already answered that question
I'm in favor of increasing taxes (slightly) on those who have benefited the most, who can actually afford it (slight increase in taxes won't change their life a bit)
nothing complicated, confusing or unfair about that
LMFAO and what do you use to bolster your stance that "they wont feel it"?
so youre ok with 49% of the population paying nothing but think that 10% of the population paying 90% isnt enough?
just want to be crystal clear on this straw...