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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Shockwave on April 15, 2011, 08:05:15 AM
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Too bad he failed the diuretic test, IMHO the best he ever showed on an O stage, much better back than 97.
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Almost had a real christmas tree
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Needs to learn how to fckn pose though
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FDB is good, again needs to learn how to fckn pose
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Dwarfs Levrone
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your right about the posing,,, ive no idea why people try and flex abbs when they hot shots from the front like front lat spread, looks shite...throws the shape off
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=40291&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
'Yo Nasser! Over here. Or, there. Whatever.'
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'Yo Nasser! Over here. Or, there. Whatever.'
Hahaha.
His googly eyes seem much more under control in this pic than others though.
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Nasser was the more modern and freakier version of Lou - same bitterness.
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His best 'O showing I agree. '96 Nasser would have deserved to beat a '97 Yates. But in '96 Yates was still good enough to take it.
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Didn't he know using diuretics was against the rules ?
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Didn't he know using diuretics was against the rules ?
Dorian knew, and he dieted differently and lost a little size, but still came in with his trademark conditioning, without the diuretics. (Or at least didnt get caught).
Little things that separate Champions from runner ups. ;D
I dont know why Nasser was never able to get in condition when he got heavier, too worried about losing muscle maybe?
I personally think thats why he was never able to win the big one, he never did what it took to win, if he had came in shredded just ONCE it would have been his, unfortunatley, weather he didnt know or he was just too worried about coming in small, he never lost all the fat/water off his back. Shame really, he should have won the O in 97.
Back was just soft, and if the back is soft and watery, generally that means their condition is off, and he paid the price for it.
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Didn't he know using diuretics was against the rules ?
Yup they all did and at first they were just going to have the contestants lose their contest placing but not the earnings but all of the contestants agreed they would lose the placings and the winnings
he took a gamble and came up short
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Didn't Shawn Ray lose an Arnold for the same reason once?
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Yup they all did and at first they were just going to have the contestants lose their contest placing but not the earnings but all of the contestants agreed they would lose the placings and the winnings
he took a gamble and came up short
I dont understand why he wouldnt have just done what Doz did, diet a little harder and possibly sacrifice some size to make sure he was in condition, rather than lean on the diuretic and hope he passed. ???
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I dont understand why he wouldnt have just done what Doz did, diet a little harder and possibly sacrifice some size to make sure he was in condition, rather than lean on the diuretic and hope he passed. ???
It has nothing to do with dieting, Bro....
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Never been a fan of him. Overrated in my opinion.
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Didn't Shawn Ray lose an Arnold for the same reason once?
I think Shawn lost due to steroids
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It has nothing to do with dieting, Bro....
When I speak of diet, Im speaking of water manipulation and contest prep.
Obviously they knew of the diuretics ban.
Dorian said he dieted harder than normal, sacrificed some size and made sure he came in dry and in condition so he didnt have to rely on diuretics.
This is clear when you look at the media from the contest.
Nasser clearly didnt.
So you explain to me the difference?
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yes he does look amazing there...too bad about testing, it's their health, grown up dudes should be allowed to risk a couple of years of their lifespan, to live the dream, so to speak ;D
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Never been a fan of him. Overrated in my opinion.
You had to see him in person ("back in the day") there weren't very many "freaks" (certainly not like now where every show has competitors that go 300 lbs plus in the offseason) He was coming in from the era where bodybuilders were considered "huge" if they weighed 240 lbs onstage (Lee Haney etc) He was one of the first guys to weigh a legitimate 270 lbs onstage (as time went on and guys "caught up his weaknesses were much more apparent) but for his time/prime he was one of the best bodybuilders around (Nassar and Dorian were the two freaks) ......not overrated at all imo
(if ya asked any gym rat whos physique they wanted to emulate back then Nassar would be at the top of that list)
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I think Shawn lost due to steroids
serious question: how does a top pro lose an ifbb contest because of steroids?
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serious question: how does a top pro lose an ifbb contest because of steroids?
Forgot to mail in his Mensa membership dues?
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:o
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I used to like Nasser as a bodybuilder,and he was great at one time,but the Nasser hype on getbig board killed that for me.
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I used to like Nasser as a bodybuilder,and he was great at one time,but the Nasser hype on getbig board killed that for me.
Agreed.
They tried to make it seem like he was the best BB that ever lived and that he was so fcked by the system, he had no flaws, his back wasnt as bad as people said, hes so smart, such a great human being, etc, etc,
The best was when they tried to spin things like "Nasser had a better RDB than Dorian because everything is better on Nasser besides his back", "His FLS is better than Dorian" "His FDB is better than Ronnie" Lulz.
3x Mr Olympia (at least) ::)
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Didn't Shawn Ray lose an Arnold for the same reason once?
tested positive for winstrol.
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Didn't Shawn Ray lose an Arnold for the same reason once?
i think ray got popped for deca or something else but you could be correct. have to check the old flex mags.
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i think ray got popped for deca or something else but you could be correct. have to check the old flex mags.
stano zo lol lol lol ,,but that was only because it was easy to detect lol ,,
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You had to see him in person ("back in the day") there weren't very many "freaks" (certainly not like now where every show has competitors that go 300 lbs plus in the offseason) He was coming in from the era where bodybuilders were considered "huge" if they weighed 240 lbs onstage (Lee Haney etc) He was one of the first guys to weigh a legitimate 270 lbs onstage (as time went on and guys "caught up his weaknesses were much more apparent) but for his time/prime he was one of the best bodybuilders around (Nassar and Dorian were the two freaks) ......not overrated at all imo
(if ya asked any gym rat whos physique they wanted to emulate back then Nassar would be at the top of that list)
sad those felas dont remember the good ones,, the diff between beautiful man with glases and dorian was few more straitions on the kidnys ,,lower back straitions right and left of the xmas tree my friends,,never the less by the sheer size and thickness beautiful man with glases was better couple of those years ,,at least once,,
the straitions on the lower back shoudl win a competition if fellas are 5-10 lb apart,,but not when its over 15lb ,,of lean muscle,,those straitions ofcourse come from holding less water and this is what diuretics do ,, and yes dorian took diuretic every single competition he ever done like any other one in bodybuild that is up the top and even alot undere the top,,, the diff is dorian was knowing his body to the t he knew exactly how to time his injectable lasix and new exactly how to time is diazide,,he was good at that,,bodybuilder is not only in the muscle like kyomi say it is also in the way you perform medical experiences on your body and how you knwo it from experiement with it when ti did not count! so when it counts you end up winner!
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sad those felas dont remember the good ones,, the diff between beautiful man with glases and dorian was few more straitions on the kidnys ,,lower back straitions right and left of the xmas tree my friends,,never the less by the sheer size and thickness beautiful man with glases was better couple of those years ,,at least once,,
the straitions on the lower back shoudl win a competition if fellas are 5-10 lb apart,,but not when its over 15lb ,,of lean muscle,,those straitions ofcourse come from holding less water and this is what diuretics do ,, and yes dorian took diuretic every single competition he ever done like any other one in bodybuild that is up the top and even alot undere the top,,, the diff is dorian was knowing his body to the t he knew exactly how to time his injectable lasix and new exactly how to time is diazide,,he was good at that,,bodybuilder is not only in the muscle like kyomi say it is also in the way you perform medical experiences on your body and how you knwo it from experiement with it when ti did not count! so when it counts you end up winner!
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What's good Nasser? 8)
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sad those felas dont remember the good ones,, the diff between beautiful man with glases and dorian was few more straitions on the kidnys ,,lower back straitions right and left of the xmas tree my friends,,never the less by the sheer size and thickness beautiful man with glases was better couple of those years ,,at least once,,
the straitions on the lower back shoudl win a competition if fellas are 5-10 lb apart,,but not when its over 15lb ,,of lean muscle,,those straitions ofcourse come from holding less water and this is what diuretics do ,, and yes dorian took diuretic every single competition he ever done like any other one in bodybuild that is up the top and even alot undere the top,,, the diff is dorian was knowing his body to the t he knew exactly how to time his injectable lasix and new exactly how to time is diazide,,he was good at that,,bodybuilder is not only in the muscle like kyomi say it is also in the way you perform medical experiences on your body and how you knwo it from experiement with it when ti did not count! so when it counts you end up winner!
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You are a moron. Dorian did not take diuretics for the 96' Olympia. The 96' Olympia was tested for diuretics, you moron. Here is a direct quote of his from an interview in FLEX, March issue of 1997:
"Looking back at the 96' Olympia, I realize I was far from the best I could be. I looked at their testing of diuretics as an opportunity to show that diuretics are not necessary to get into great shape. But I became too concerned with dryness and came in looking flat. I don't pretend making the same mistake this year."
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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sombody educate this invalid above that all of us are using diuretics every year every competition every time we need paper thin skin with no slkin fold from the front ,,someone please educate this fucktard here,, suck muscle we always use diuretic,,we pass the tests with shining colors,,and the ones who dont knwo exactly what they do fail see jason back when he treathened to sue the ifbb lol ,,its one big fuckin joke retard ...we ALL USE DIURETIC WITH OUT THEM THERE WIL BE NO SUCKTION OF SKIN ON TO THE MUSCLE AS IN WHAT WE CALL TUNNELED ABS WHERE THE SKIN IS ATTCHING ITSELF INTO THE MUSCLE TIGHT AND NO WATER BETWEEN MUSCLE AND SKIN AKA SHRINKED WRAPED! ,,YES GH MAKE THE PROCESS BUT! TAKING OFF THE GH AND PUTTING IN DURETIC IN THE RIGHT TIME! will create what you call 230lb bodybuild that come to you and say he is 8% but you think ummm but how can it be his abs are tunneled and so dry and he got the space between them and skin so tight yada dee yada da.....that comes from diuretic usage from competitions.......diure tic then reboud....diuretic then reboud,,
i wish you read the bible insted of arguing ,,many of you would find the easiest way to actualy look like kevin ,,dorian ,,labrada etc
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Nassir Should Have Won That Contest (Period) 8)
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sombody educate this invalid above that all of us are using diuretics every year every competition every time we need paper thin skin with no slkin fold from the front ,,someone please educate this fucktard here,, suck muscle we always use diuretic,,we pass the tests with shining colors,,and the ones who dont knwo exactly what they do fail see jason back when he treathened to sue the ifbb lol ,,its one big fuckin joke retard ...we ALL USE DIURETIC WITH OUT THEM THERE WIL BE NO SUCKTION OF SKIN ON TO THE MUSCLE AS IN WHAT WE CALL TUNNELED ABS WHERE THE SKIN IS ATTCHING ITSELF INTO THE MUSCLE TIGHT AND NO WATER BETWEEN MUSCLE AND SKIN AKA SHRINKED WRAPED! ,,YES GH MAKE THE PROCESS BUT! TAKING OFF THE GH AND PUTTING IN DURETIC IN THE RIGHT TIME! will create what you call 230lb bodybuild that come to you and say he is 8% but you think ummm but how can it be his abs are tunneled and so dry and he got the space between them and skin so tight yada dee yada da.....that comes from diuretic usage from competitions.......diure tic then reboud....diuretic then reboud,,
i wish you read the bible insted of arguing ,,many of you would find the easiest way to actualy look like kevin ,,dorian ,,labrada etc
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Dorian did not use diuretics for the 96' Olympia, you turd. In the other years, yes, but not in 96'. The 1996 Olympia was tested for diuretics and Dorian said flat out he didn't use diuretics in 1996. Dorian is not the kind of guy who lies. He never denied he used steroids, GH and other drugs. So if he said he was free of diuretics in 96', I believe him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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yes sure 96 is nasser's best olympia appearance.. much better than his version in 97 (harder and bigger).. imo in 95 too he looked overall better than in 97!!.. still what he presented in 97 was very enough to make him win against a pregnant one armed yates..
in 96 and aside of failing this test i see him better than yates who looked clearly flat and relatively small!!.. to give one example if dorian's RDB was better than nasser's in 96,.. nasser's FDB was better than yates by a bigger margin!!.. we always say yates kills nasser in back poses but only say nasser is better in the FDB but actually he kills yates in this pose not just "better"!!.. i mean many ppl (arab haters ;D) always exaggerate when talking about nasser's weak point (may be because it's only one) but when they talk about dorian's weak points (and they are many) they see them not taking much from his overall greatness ::)
at his best dorian was one of the greatest bb to ever live and anyone doesnt see this really doesnt know anything about bb but still he took 2 olympias (at least) while he wasnt the best man on stage..
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yes sure 96 is nasser's best olympia appearance.. much better than his version in 97 (harder and bigger).. imo in 95 too he looked overall better than in 97!!.. still what he presented in 97 was very enough to make him win against a pregnant one armed yates..
in 96 and aside of failing this test i see him better than yates who looked clearly flat and relatively small!!.. to give one example if dorian's RDB was better than nasser's in 96,.. nasser's FDB was better than yates by a bigger margin!!.. we always say yates kills nasser in back poses but only say nasser is better in the FDB but actually he kills yates in this pose not just "better"!!.. i mean many ppl (arab haters ;D) always exaggerate when talking about nasser's weak point (may be because it's only one) but when they talk about dorian's weak points (and they are many) they see them not taking much from his overall greatness ::)
at his best dorian was one of the greatest bb to ever live and anyone doesnt see this really doesnt know anything about bb but still he took 2 olympias (at least) while he wasnt the best man on stage..
Lulz.
Yes, Nasser is much better than Doz in the FDB in 96, the problem is Nasser's posing needs much to be desired, not to mention his hit or miss conditioning. As far as taking 2 O's, he only took 97 wrongfully.
You keep seeming to forget Nasser was caught cheating in 96 and was DQ'd
And Nasser has more weak points than just one, he has a structural problem (long torso), at Yates best he truely only had 1 weak point, his slightly undersized biceps. The shape of his quads could be argued, but thats it.
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Lulz.
Yes, Nasser is much better than Doz in the FDB in 96, the problem is Nasser's posing needs much to be desired, not to mention his hit or miss conditioning. As far as taking 2 O's, he only took 97 wrongfully.
You keep seeming to forget Nasser was caught cheating in 96 and was DQ'd
And Nasser has more weak points than just one, he has a structural problem (long torso), at Yates best he truely only had 1 weak point, his slightly undersized biceps. The shape of his quads could be argued, but thats it.
no at his best dorian's biceps were ok imo..
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no at his best dorian's biceps were ok imo..
hehehehehe okay ::) ;)
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If you watch battle for th olympia 96 you can see that Nasser was ON that year.
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If you watch battle for th olympia 96 you can see that Nasser was ON that year.
he was from the front ;D
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Dorian outclassing the both of them
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Dorian did not use diuretics for the 96' Olympia, you turd. In the other years, yes, but not in 96'. The 1996 Olympia was tested for diuretics and Dorian said flat out he didn't use diuretics in 1996. Dorian is not the kind of guy who lies. He never denied he used steroids, GH and other drugs. So if he said he was free of diuretics in 96', I believe him.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I'm 100% sure you are a TROLL, I don't know how you are a mod but I guess sometimes that just happens (see pupmster). So, because Dorian said that it must be true... what are you a 14 yo kid or what? he also said that he never used insulin, so it must be true too, right?
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Agreed.
They tried to make it seem like he was the best BB that ever lived and that he was so fcked by the system, he had no flaws, his back wasnt as bad as people said, hes so smart, such a great human being, etc, etc,
The best was when they tried to spin things like "Nasser had a better RDB than Dorian because everything is better on Nasser besides his back", "His FLS is better than Dorian" "His FDB is better than Ronnie" Lulz.
3x Mr Olympia (at least) ::)
QFT!!
They made him out to be something akin to the second coming of Jesus Christ. :)
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I'm 100% sure you are a TROLL, I don't know how you are a mod but I guess sometimes that just happens (see pupmster). So, because Dorian said that it must be true... what are you a 14 yo kid or what? he also said that he never used insulin, so it must be true too, right?
Diuretics are for people who didn't pay attention to their diet during the year or were way , way over their competition weight , they were for last minutes guys like Dillett and Nasser who weren't close to contest weight and should've dropped their weight gradually , Nasser was 330lbs in the offseason and all the sudden dropped tons of weight he needed diuretics
and sucky is right why lie? Dorian's been up front about his steroid use and the use of GH
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Diuretics are for people who didn't pay attention to their diet during the year or were way , way over their competition weight , they were for last minutes guys like Dillett and Nasser who weren't close to contest weight and should've dropped their weight gradually , Nasser was 330lbs in the offseason and all the sudden dropped tons of weight he needed diuretics
and sucky is right why lie? Dorian's been up front about his steroid use and the use of GH
why lie? are you really asking why lie? maybe because it was prohibited that year and caused another conteder to be disqualified? is that enough reason for you or do we need to get 9/11 reptille consipracy theorists to the table too??
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Diuretics are for people who didn't pay attention to their diet during the year or were way , way over their competition weight , they were for last minutes guys like Dillett and Nasser who weren't close to contest weight and should've dropped their weight gradually , Nasser was 330lbs in the offseason and all the sudden dropped tons of weight he needed diuretics
and sucky is right why lie? Dorian's been up front about his steroid use and the use of GH
you gotta be kidding me
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why lie? are you really asking why lie? maybe because it was prohibited that year and caused another conteder to be disqualified? is that enough reason for you or do we need to get 9/11 reptille consipracy theorists to the table too??
Lie in general not just that year
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Lie in general not just that year
yep, he would never lie to us because he is just a cool dude, it has nothing to do with a weider contract...
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yep, he would never lie to us because he is just a cool dude, it has nothing to do with a weider contract...
While under Weider contract and then current Mr Olympia he gave a seminar and openly talked about steroids , it has nothing to do with him being cool , he's a straight shooter
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You had to see him in person ("back in the day") there weren't very many "freaks" (certainly not like now where every show has competitors that go 300 lbs plus in the offseason) He was coming in from the era where bodybuilders were considered "huge" if they weighed 240 lbs onstage (Lee Haney etc) He was one of the first guys to weigh a legitimate 270 lbs onstage (as time went on and guys "caught up his weaknesses were much more apparent) but for his time/prime he was one of the best bodybuilders around (Nassar and Dorian were the two freaks) ......not overrated at all imo
(if ya asked any gym rat whos physique they wanted to emulate back then Nassar would be at the top of that list)
Not really. ....I was around back then and I thought the same thing. Overrated.
I can appreciate from a BBing standpoint the mass he carried. but I didn't like the way he was put together and I thought his muscle quality was sub-par.
Nasser was the Anti-Dorian. ..he looked unreal in pictures but when you saw him in person he didn't look as good.
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While under Weider contract and then current Mr Olympia he gave a seminar and openly talked about steroids , it has nothing to do with him being cool , he's a straight shooter
well 1. steroids werent banned 2. big shit a seminar to "talk" about steroids in general, did he inject some test live infront of the audience?? lol
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well 1. steroids werent banned 2. big shit a seminar to "talk" about steroids in general, did he inject some test live infront of the audience?? lol
Really? is that why Shawn Ray lost the 1990 Arnold Classic due to banned steroids? come on now do your homework
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Really? is that why Shawn Ray lost the 1990 Arnold Classic due to banned steroids? come on now do your homework
because at that specific year they really tested for it, and everyone ended up looking like shit, next.
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While under Weider contract and then current Mr Olympia he gave a seminar and openly talked about steroids , it has nothing to do with him being cool , he's a straight shooter
retard!!
we always lie to your kids eyes,,DONT YOU GET IT WE ALWAYS FUCKIN LIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE,,yes we may tell you we use some test,,or some deca and dianabol at 296mg a week total lol i keep tellin you to always multiple by 4 at the least for old generation ,,anything said multiple by 4!
you dont get it already ?? we all use diuretics ,,we look like death for a reason ,,you cant have straitions on your fuckin kidnys right and left of the spine right above the xmas tree unless you are some 170lb 5'11 thin retard that does it naturaly ....orrrr in any other bodybuild case that is 185-190lb and over ..... the usage of diuretics
you just see picturs of jim quin ,,you see we are aol drugs,,i keepo tellin you we are all drugs,,tests dont mean nothing,,we pass them ,,we got our record history to keep ansd we keep it by LIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ING
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because at that specific year they really tested for it, and everyone ended up looking like shit, next.
That was they first year they TESTED but it's was banned long before that
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retard!!
we always lie to your kids eyes,,DONT YOU GET IT WE ALWAYS FUCKIN LIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE,,yes we may tell you we use some test,,or some deca and dianabol at 296mg a week total lol i keep tellin you to always multiple by 4 at the least for old generation ,,anything said multiple by 4!
you dont get it already ?? we all use diuretics ,,we look like death for a reason ,,you cant have straitions on your fuckin kidnys right and left of the spine right above the xmas tree unless you are some 170lb 5'11 thin retard that does it naturaly ....orrrr in any other bodybuild case that is 185-190lb and over ..... the usage of diuretics
you just see picturs of jim quin ,,you see we are aol drugs,,i keepo tellin you we are all drugs,,tests dont mean nothing,,we pass them ,,we got our record history to keep ansd we keep it by LIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ING
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' we all use diuretics ' ::) you didn't use shit because YOU AIN'T NO FUCKING PRO you're a gimmick on GetBig
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' we all use diuretics ' ::) you didn't use shit because YOU AIN'T NO FUCKING PRO you're a gimmick on GetBig
oh a guy with 20k+ posts that never posted a fucking single pic calling GH15 a gimmick........... meltdown.
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' we all use diuretics ' ::) you didn't use shit because YOU AIN'T NO FUCKING PRO you're a gimmick on GetBig
i used them liek any other pro used them ,,we all use them and we use them consistantly ,, you just have hard time to accept and see dorian was nothing more than average genetics to begin with ,,you also can accept the fact reeves doped into test .....you have lots of problems when your heros fall right infront of your face.....you know why they fall? because your heros me included are DRUG DEALERS ,,DRUGS USERS,,LOTS OF THEM,,
to your sorry ass we say in the magazine we use little 28 mg testosterona ,,,yes we may use 300mg testosterona for number of weeks whiel shredding into superior condtiion ,,but at the same time we UP THE DOSE ON THE REAL SHIT THAT MAKE THE DIFFERENCE TRENBOLONA ACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCE MASTERONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAA ....duretics are rirght there with out them no dorian sandy guy criprines my friend
you are delusional of the outmost degree,,the fact you got posters on the wall and collect me like stamps does not mean you have any idea abotu competetive bodybuilding from drug aspect or any aspect,,to me personaly you sound and act! like a homo
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oh a guy with 20k+ posts that never posted a fucking single pic calling GH15 a gimmick........... meltdown.
oh what a backfire , gh15 NEVER posted a pic yet he's not a gimmick ::) great logic there retard ;) the difference being I'm not trying to pass myself off as a former professional
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i used them liek any other pro used them ,,we all use them and we use them consistantly ,, you just have hard time to accept and see dorian was nothing more than average genetics to begin with ,,you also can accept the fact reeves doped into test .....you have lots of problems when your heros fall right infront of your face.....you know why they fall? because your heros me included are DRUG DEALERS ,,DRUGS USERS,,LOTS OF THEM,,
to your sorry ass we say in the magazine we use little 28 mg testosterona ,,,yes we may use 300mg testosterona for number of weeks whiel shredding into superior condtiion ,,but at the same time we UP THE DOSE ON THE REAL SHIT THAT MAKE THE DIFFERENCE TRENBOLONA ACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCE MASTERONAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAA ....duretics are rirght there with out them no dorian sandy guy criprines my friend
you are delusional of the outmost degree,,the fact you got posters on the wall and collect me like stamps does not mean you have any idea abotu competetive bodybuilding from drug aspect or any aspect,,to me personaly you sound and act! like a homo
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meltdown
gh15 = pro HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I don't know who is dumber you or the idiots who believe you ;D
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oh what a backfire , gh15 NEVER posted a pic yet he's not a gimmick ::) great logic there retard ;) the difference being I'm not trying to pass myself off as a former professional
dont put it backwards, YOU are the one calling another posted a gimmick, GH15 called you an idiot and very well so.
now ND, this is not bam-bam, this is the real person behind the account, so no BS:
gimmick or no gimmick you are one of the best posters of the board and adds a lot here, but when it comes to bbing drugs you should know that there is nothing you should speak about. Stick to the things you know or have experience with.
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dont put it backwards, YOU are the one calling another posted a gimmick, GH15 called you an idiot and very well so.
now ND, this is not bam-bam, this is the real person behind the account, so no BS:
gimmick or no gimmick you are one of the best posters of the board and adds a lot here, but when it comes to bbing drugs you should know that there is nothing you should speak about. Stick to the things you know or have experience with.
It is backwards I'm NOT pretending to be anything especially NOT a former professional he is a gimmick until he can prove he was a former pro
the gimmick may know about drugs but he doesn't know what people take or how long and in what combos IMPOSSIBLE to know unless he had first hand knowledge and he's speculated on 90% of what pros are taking which is nonsense
anyone who takes the gimmicks word for it just based on his word is dumb , gh`5 told Hazbin what he was taken and he knows about drugs and Hazbin owned him into oblivion so much for his expertise
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Here go see for yourself the gimmick known as gh15 get his ass handed to him in grand fashion by Hazbin ;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=367624.msg5214673#msg5214673
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oh what a backfire , gh15 NEVER posted a pic yet he's not a gimmick ::) great logic there retard ;) the difference being I'm not trying to pass myself off as a former professional
im nto a former pro you retard,,inm CURRENT PRO! ,,and also what ever you try to pass yourself you doing a bad job because you come off as HOMO ,,YOU ARE NTO RIGHT IN THE HEAD,,I HAVE NO DOUBT YOU ARE INTO MEN ,,no one keep so many pictures of bodybuild and 100s of pictures of me and considered normal ,,in addition your understanding of bodybuild is lacking to a point im ashamed for you since you try to pass yourself like you know a thing or 2 while in reality you dont know that we arre ALL ALL ALL ALL ARE BIG ABUSERS ,, BIG USERS,,,AND IN MANY MANY CASES BIG D E A L E R S
you really think bodybuild can go anythign over 210lb in the dorian condition with out usage of diuretic lol ,,you actually believe it ,,you realy think that 190lb bodybuild 3 weeks out is and can be natural at 5'9 lol ..... you really believe those things,,you actualy believe reeves was all natural becaue he was only 215 6% at 6'1.... lol
learn this homo! you do not walk around 6% at anything over 190-195 lb unless you been hormonized,,yes that means the following IF YOU ARE 196 LB ADN 5'10 AND 6-7% YOU ARE IN 100 % OF CASES HORMONIZED BODYBUILD,,NOT SWIMMING IN HORMONES ,,BUT ON A EGULAR INTAKE OF HORMONES SUCH AS TRENBOLOONA ,,NANDROLONA ,,TESTOSTERONA ,,GH ....
its about time you stop considering fellas who dont use insulina as naturals,,,insulina means nothing it ruined bodybuild its not the reason to cal some one hormonized,,, the insulina and gh will blow you up ,,if you know how to use it and do it right with diuretics along the way you will grow to be sandy dorian like ....if not you wil grow to be phil heath baloon like ....in reality we all use hormones,,
all of us use lots of hormones,,
we have hormones in the boood on a regulas 24 7 basis,,we use them like you odrink water,,and that means 2-3 times a day with many of us ,,,trust me fellas we wotn go to sleep at night we will walk aronund house at 3 am about to inject trenbolna at 200 mg and testosterona just so we have it timed out right so we dont OVER SPILL next day in a guest pose or in other daily mission of us as bodybuilders,,
what i say here is highly importanto because IT IS THE TRUE REALITY OF BODYBUILD ,,you get here for years REALITY TV SHOW BETTER THAN ANYTHING YOU WILL EVER FIND ON THE INTERNET AND OR TV ,,IT IS GH15 REALITY SHOW OF TRUE REAL BODYBUILDING THE WAY WE ALLLLLLLLLLL DO IT INCLUDING YOUR HERO DORIAN YATES,,
you have a lot to learn mr homo ,,a lot a lot a lot to learn and im afraid you wontr ,,because you cant ,,because you cant acceptr it because its like tellin someone he has some deasease like syphillis or something that is not common ,,,you think nah i dont but in reality you see it in the actions of that deaseas....your brain eat itself ...you are past the stages of the early signals of the deasease....now your brain just eat itself ,,you will never be able to learn or accept how bodybuild truly is,,
dorian used diuretics liek my good friend andreas ,,same LEVEL same exact products,,dorian pulled it ! dorian is alive FOR NOW!
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It is backwards I'm NOT pretending to be anything especially NOT a former professional he is a gimmick until he can prove he was a former pro
the gimmick may know about drugs but he doesn't know what people take or how long and in what combos IMPOSSIBLE to know unless he had first hand knowledge and he's speculated on 90% of what pros are taking which is nonsense
anyone who takes the gimmicks word for it just based on his word is dumb , gh`5 told Hazbin what he was taken and he knows about drugs and Hazbin owned him into oblivion so much for his expertise
i was never ever owned on the getbig board or any other board,,you got to understand im GOD OF HORMONES,, i cant be owned,,dont you see peopel dont even try to argue me anymore,,they listen and follow,,with respect to hazbin ..i left him alone because i respected the fact he showed signs of addmition for addiction ,,he was a severe addict of many drugs,,trust me on that,,he was competing ina time and era he SWAM IN HORMONES ,,that doesnt measn lots of testosteorn during prep again you confuse testosterona with over all drug usage and doses of hormones,,
hazbin used lotf of shit to ghet wher ehe got and still coudnt make it,,i respected his privacy and left it at that
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im nto a former pro you retard,,inm CURRENT PRO! ,,and also what ever you try to pass yourself you doing a bad job because you come off as HOMO ,,YOU ARE NTO RIGHT IN THE HEAD,,I HAVE NO DOUBT YOU ARE INTO MEN ,,no one keep so many pictures of bodybuild and 100s of pictures of me and considered normal ,,in addition your understanding of bodybuild is lacking to a point im ashamed for you since you try to pass yourself like you know a thing or 2 while in reality you dont know that we arre ALL ALL ALL ALL ARE BIG ABUSERS ,, BIG USERS,,,AND IN MANY MANY CASES BIG D E A L E R S
you really think bodybuild can go anythign over 210lb in the dorian condition with out usage of diuretic lol ,,you actually believe it ,,you realy think that 190lb bodybuild 3 weeks out is and can be natural at 5'9 lol ..... you really believe those things,,you actualy believe reeves was all natural becaue he was only 215 6% at 6'1.... lol
learn this homo! you do not walk around 6% at anything over 190-195 lb unless you been hormonized,,yes that means the following IF YOU ARE 196 LB ADN 5'10 AND 6-7% YOU ARE IN 100 % OF CASES HORMONIZED BODYBUILD,,NOT SWIMMING IN HORMONES ,,BUT ON A EGULAR INTAKE OF HORMONES SUCH AS TRENBOLOONA ,,NANDROLONA ,,TESTOSTERONA ,,GH ....
its about time you stop considering fellas who dont use insulina as naturals,,,insulina means nothing it ruined bodybuild its not the reason to cal some one hormonized,,, the insulina and gh will blow you up ,,if you know how to use it and do it right with diuretics along the way you will grow to be sandy dorian like ....if not you wil grow to be phil heath baloon like ....in reality we all use hormones,,
all of us use lots of hormones,,
we have hormones in the boood on a regulas 24 7 basis,,we use them like you odrink water,,and that means 2-3 times a day with many of us ,,,trust me fellas we wotn go to sleep at night we will walk aronund house at 3 am about to inject trenbolna at 200 mg and testosterona just so we have it timed out right so we dont OVER SPILL next day in a guest pose or in other daily mission of us as bodybuilders,,
what i say here is highly importanto because IT IS THE TRUE REALITY OF BODYBUILD ,,you get here for years REALITY TV SHOW BETTER THAN ANYTHING YOU WILL EVER FIND ON THE INTERNET AND OR TV ,,IT IS GH15 REALITY SHOW OF TRUE REAL BODYBUILDING THE WAY WE ALLLLLLLLLLL DO IT INCLUDING YOUR HERO DORIAN YATES,,
you have a lot to learn mr homo ,,a lot a lot a lot to learn and im afraid you wontr ,,because you cant ,,because you cant acceptr it because its like tellin someone he has some deasease like syphillis or something that is not common ,,,you think nah i dont but in reality you see it in the actions of that deaseas....your brain eat itself ...you are past the stages of the early signals of the deasease....now your brain just eat itself ,,you will never be able to learn or accept how bodybuild truly is,,
dorian used diuretics liek my good friend andreas ,,same LEVEL same exact products,,dorian pulled it ! dorian is alive FOR NOW!
gh15 approved
LMFAO a current pro none the less HAHAHAHAHAHA
continue with the meltdown giimmick15
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LMFAO a current pro none the less HAHAHAHAHAHA
continue with the meltdown giimmick15
top 6 o ! not only a professiona but top one!
you are dismissed because im hungry and has trainnig session that im late too
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top 6 o ! not only a professiona but top one!
you are dismissed because im hungry and has trainnig session that im late too
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I'm dismissed because you can't prove you're a pro hahahahahahaha great logic ::)
I'm a pro believe me I am I have NO proof what so ever but please take my word for it LMMFAO
prove your a pro then I'll apologize :D ;)
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top 6 o ! not only a professiona but top one!
you are dismissed because im hungry and has trainnig session that im late too
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well i guess technically one can have a pro card and say his a current pro even though hasn't competed in years...is it so gunther?
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i was never ever owned on the getbig board or any other board,,you got to understand im GOD OF HORMONES,, i cant be owned,,dont you see peopel dont even try to argue me anymore,,they listen and follow,,with respect to hazbin ..i left him alone because i respected the fact he showed signs of addmition for addiction ,,he was a severe addict of many drugs,,trust me on that,,he was competing ina time and era he SWAM IN HORMONES ,,that doesnt measn lots of testosteorn during prep again you confuse testosterona with over all drug usage and doses of hormones,,
hazbin used lotf of shit to ghet wher ehe got and still coudnt make it,,i respected his privacy and left it at that
gh15 approved
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=367624.msg5214673#msg5214673
sure you weren't ;D
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I'm dismissed because you can't prove you're a pro hahahahahahaha great logic ::)
I'm a pro believe me I am I have NO proof what so ever but please take my word for it LMMFAO
prove your a pro then I'll apologize :D ;)
if you are a pro you are dumb one,,btu few of us are dumb so maybe,,it doesnt matter only thing that matter is my written word,,which is IN 100% of cases true in aspect to bodybuild,,go ask around many got very top and actually few recent professionals were under my advice,,i just dont open my mouth and say it ,,but rest assure many advanced withthe bible,,too many pms to put them here and show the thank yous
now i got to go training so my pictures can be on someones wall......
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if you are a pro you are dumb one,,btu few of us are dumb so maybe,,it doesnt matter only thing that matter is my written word,,which is IN 100% of cases true in aspect to bodybuild,,go ask around many got very top and actually few recent professionals were under my advice,,i just dont open my mouth and say it ,,but rest assure many advanced withthe bible,,too many pms to put them here and show the thank yous
now i got to go training so my pictures can be on someones wall......
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So ask around and people will verify that I'm a pro LMFAO this is what you're offering up for proof? go ask other people to verify something you could do all yourself , extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and you have NOTHING as usual
prove you're a pro DON'T tell me you are ;)
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well i guess technically one can have a pro card and say his a current pro even though hasn't competed in years...is it so gunther?
It's Louie.
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I'm on the fence about gh15.
The concept that an ex pro steroid guru comes here and posts is obviously hard to swallow, but he's been here a long time and the pros and competitors that post here never try to out him or ridicule him...
There has to be a reason he gets the respect he does around here.
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I'm on the fence about gh15.
The concept that an ex pro steroid guru comes here and posts is obviously hard to swallow, but he's been here a long time and the pros and competitors that post here never try to out him or ridicule him...
There has to be a reason he gets the respect he does around here.
no not a ex-pro a current one ::) anyone who believes he's a pro on his word alone is a moron , his response to I'm a pro is go ask around LMFAO
you seen his exchange with hazbin he gets outed alright
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I read on MD from different credible sources that Nasser is known for giving ridiculous advice regarding drug use and does so on the internet boards. I wonder if they were talking about "gh15" ?
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I read on MD from different credible sources that Nasser is known for giving ridiculous advice regarding drug use and does so on the internet boards. I wonder if they were talking about "gh15" ?
Ask Milos about the advice he gave him :-X
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no not a ex-pro a current one ::) anyone who believes he's a pro on his word alone is a moron , his response to I'm a pro is go ask around LMFAO
you seen his exchange with hazbin he gets outed alright
not really. .two guys bickering, no real "winner". another day at Getbig
Like I said I'm on the fence because it seems ludicrous right from the jump.
but as usual...you "know better" based on your opnion
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Im pretty sure GH15 is legit, in that thread with hazbin their is some talk where you can tell they know each other, and like Groink says, no one exposes him and those in the know seem to respect him.
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Nasser won this show.
And GH15 is legit on bodybuilding and the general degradation of society and pop culture, he oversteps it sometimes with speculative shit about things he isn't well informed on. But overall he is a good guy.
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Nasser won this show.
And GH15 is legit on bodybuilding and the general degradation of society and pop culture, he oversteps it sometimes with speculative shit about things he isn't well informed on. But overall he is a good guy.
Nasser was DQ'd
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Nasser was DQ'd
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Nasser was DQ'd
More likely he was DP'd by the Weiner...errrrr...Weider lads. ;D
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not really. .two guys bickering, no real "winner". another day at Getbig
Like I said I'm on the fence because it seems ludicrous right from the jump.
but as usual...you "know better" based on your opnion
I know better because I have no reason what so ever to believe he's a current professional and I need a tad more proof than ' yes I am , go ask around and you'll see '
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I went to that Olympia.
When the contestants first appeared, Nassar looked like the clear winner, especially standing relaxed. He aslo won the FDB.
When they turned around in the first comparison, it's was crystal clear that Yates was going to win again, as he destroyed him convincingly. Same with the side-tri. Ab/thigh was close.
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I'm 100% sure you are a TROLL, I don't know how you are a mod but I guess sometimes that just happens (see pupmster). So, because Dorian said that it must be true... what are you a 14 yo kid or what? he also said that he never used insulin, so it must be true too, right?
Dorian did not use duretics at the 1996 Olympia. He used them in every other year, but not 1996. The 1996 Olympia was tested for diuretics, and Dorian especifically said he didn't use them at the 1996 Olympia. Even if Dorian could beat the test, do you think he would risk losing his title because of a drug? Dorian has no reasons to lie, since he always admitted to using steroids and other drugs. Here is a quote from his from an interview he gave to the German version of Muscle&Fitness back in 1994 answering the question whether he used steroids and other drugs:
"All professional bodybuilders use steroids. You cannot compete at the highest levels of many sports without steroids and other anabolics. There is testosterone, Deca, orals and more sophisticated drugs like IGF-1 and GH. What really upsets me are people who reduce success in bodybuilding to steroids and nothing more. They greatly underestimate the importance of what we do in the gym. I can prove how hard I work by pointing out all the injuries I've got over the years. Ask yourself: we all take pretty much the same drugs, so why do some of us look great at the contests, whilst others don't? Because what separates bodybuilders is the hard work and consistency of that hard work over years."
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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we always lie to your kids eyes,,DONT YOU GET IT WE ALWAYS FUCKIN LIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE,,yes we may tell you we use some test,,or some deca and dianabol at 296mg a week total lol i keep tellin you to always multiple by 4 at the least for old generation ,,anything said multiple by 4!
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LOL 296mg total HAHAHA that was great gh15
When they turned around in the first comparison, it's was crystal clear that Yates was going to win again, as he destroyed him convincingly. Same with the side-tri. Ab/thigh was close.
Totally agree. Nasser was better from the front.
From the side Dorian was a bit better and from the back Dorian just destroyed everyone. It wasn't some slight definition, Dorian was a pro compared to amateurs from the back and that's compared to everyone not just Nasser.
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I used to like Nasser as a bodybuilder,and he was great at one time,but the Nasser hype on getbig board killed that for me.
Same thing happened for Lee and Sean Rhey.
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"All professional bodybuilders use steroids. You cannot compete at the highest levels of many sports without steroids and other anabolics. There is testosterone, Deca, orals and more sophisticated drugs like IGF-1 and GH. What really upsets me are people who reduce success in bodybuilding to steroids and nothing more. They greatly underestimate the importance of what we do in the gym. I can prove how hard I work by pointing out all the injuries I've got over the years. Ask yourself: we all take pretty much the same drugs, so why do some of us look great at the
contests, whilst others don't? Because what separates bodybuilders is the hard work and consistency of that hard work over years."
SUCKMYMUSCLE
let me answer dorian ....not like i didnt in real life but ill answer it here for everyone to see,,
we do all take the same drugs,,but! the importane of what you do in the gym is nothing like the importance of how consistant you are in your drug taking,,for!! it is not the one who do little cycle here and therre who advance ot the next level...it is the ones who CONSISTANTLY HORMNIZING HIMSELF YEAR AFTER YARS months after months and ONLY THEN can build upon what he already achieved,,it is the consistancy and the build up of the hormone in the blood,,the levles needed to change a physiqe to ACTUALY CREATE SOLID CONSTANT CHANGES and not some water and fat and bloofiness that will be made to belieev by your own will that it is lean muscle....doesnt work this way ,,
the reason we are the best is because of our respond to the hormones that we take consistantly and with out a break,,we change between them,,
funny how no one mention trenbololna ace which is dorian more favortie drug ...he keep saying deca test yada dee yada daa but in reality it is the trenbolona and gh that make the greates most solid most dramatic change to a physiqe in all aspect from develkopment to hardness to dryness to detail to bodyfat reduction to the addition of TRUE LEAN MUSCLE TISSUE,,
YES SOME BODYBUILDERS WORK VERY HARD,,BUT I GARENTEE YOU THAT WITH OUT THE CONSISTANT HORMONIZATION NOTHING WILL HAPPEN BESIDE INJURIES AND MORE INJURIES AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT IF YOU TRAIN TOO HARD AND TOO SERIOUS WITH OUT HORMONIZATION YOU WILL START SHRINKING AND START STIFFENING YOUR OWN MUSCLES WILL FAIL ON AND OWN YOU! OWN YOU BECAUSE THE HARDER YOU WIL WORK WITH OUT CONSTANT HORMONIZATION....THE WORSE YOU WILL LOOK ...MARK MY WORD,,IT IS ALWAYS POSSIBEL TO BE SMALL THIN AND RIPPED,,BUT BODYBUILD IS WHO CAN BRING THE BETTER CONDITIONED SIZE,,,SIZE IS ONE OF THE WORDS,,C O N D I T I O N E D SIZE MEANING YOU NEED TO BE SHOWING DECENT SIZE 180 200 220 240 THAT IS CONDITIONED INTO THE 4-7 % BODYFAT ,,ONLY THEN ONLY THEN YOU WILL LOOK LIKE COMPETETIVE BODYBUILD ... ONLY THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT SEPERATE TOP BODYBUILD FROM LOWER LEVEL BODYBUILD IS
1 THE DOSE AND QUALITY OF PRODUCT
2 THE RESPOND TO IT
3 THE CONSISTANCY IN TAKING IT
WE NEVER FUCKIN GO OFF! 3 WEEKS IS NOT OFF BUT EVEN 3 WEEKS WE DONT TAKE ,,WE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE! PRODUCTS AND DORIAN KNWO IT ,,AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT MANY OF US REMAIN ON SAME PRODUCTS FOR 6 MONTHS ,,WE SAY SOMETHING AND DO SOMETHING ELSE,,I KEEP TELLIN YOU THAT,,BODYBUILD DONT WANT TO SHARE SECRET ,,IN REALITY THE SECRET TIMES OF BODYBUILDING IS LONG GONE ,,IT HAS BEEN GONE ALREADY 6 YEARS FROM THE TIME GOD OF HORMONES WAS INTRODUCED TO SOCIETY
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Not really. ....I was around back then and I thought the same thing. Overrated.
I can appreciate from a BBing standpoint the mass he carried. but I didn't like the way he was put together and I thought his muscle quality was sub-par.
Nasser was the Anti-Dorian. ..he looked unreal in pictures but when you saw him in person he didn't look as good.
i will pass your opinion to alx 23 >:(
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I went to that Olympia.
When the contestants first appeared, Nassar looked like the clear winner, especially standing relaxed. He aslo won the FDB.
When they turned around in the first comparison, it's was crystal clear that Yates was going to win again, as he destroyed him convincingly. Same with the side-tri. Ab/thigh was close.
no yates was not better in the side tri (in 96)!!..
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no yates was not better in the side tri (in 96)!!..
Nasser can't even hit the pose right.
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dorian in 96 was clearly worse than his best although after the show he kept saying he presented his best ever shape ;D
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=239721.0
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Regarding Dorian and his drug usage. Anyone know/remember a guy named Brian Batcheldor?
He used to write for T-mag and he was really sophisticated and knowledgeable about drug use. So I wonder if he advised Dorian. Can't find the articles he wrote, seem erased, but remember him saying he advised 2 Mr O competitors and and an example of an off-season stack was 2 grams of test and 2 grams of Deca + 200mg of Dbol daily. There were a lot of more uncommon drugs used as well.
The dude works with the deadlifter Andy Bolton nowadays.
http://www.qfac.com/advice/brian.html
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Can't find the articles he wrote, seem erased,
Found one article. Remember, this guy is in the UK.
The S-Files
By Brian Batcheldor
The one question that I get most often is, "What's the biggest dosage you've ever heard of anyone taking?" The answer is, "A lot." However, most of the reports on this topic are grossly exaggerated, with the Andreas Muntzer case being typical. Poor Andreas will go down in the medical journals for his unprecedented levels of abuse simply because of a cycle found written on a piece of paper in his possession. However, those that knew him know that this was only a commonly utilized ploy to partially protect someone from prosecution if they were caught in possession of quantities indicative of dealing.
Another fallacy is that today's pros have laid down a blueprint for death by virtue of their mega dose-induced mass. The trail of thought here is that today's pros are only big because they take far more drugs than the pros of yesteryear. The competitive bodybuilder of the '90s is assumed to be an all-knowing alchemist with far more pills and potions available to him than his predecessors. Even those who don't have "the knowledge" have their own secret guru, available for a modest fee, who holds the keys to eternal mass.
The fact that football players, basketball players, boxers, track and field athletes, and Joe Public are bigger and leaner than his or her counterparts from the '70s and '80s seems to be irrelevant. And the fact that there's far more technology available regarding nutrition, quality coaching, training facilities, and self-education media doesn't seem to count for much, either. If you consider that there are simply more people on the planet than ever before, and that a higher percentage of these people now go to the gym, it seems not only possible, but likely, that some genetic freaks are going to surface.
So who perpetuates these myths? Usually bitter ex-pros from the bygone age—so-called gurus that nobody actually seems to acknowledge, let alone confide in with their most intimate secrets. Or sad, twisted individuals who blame everything—from Elvis' constipation to Arnold's acting—on anabolics, yet whose own potential for cell growth shadows that of an amoeba.
In truth, some of the most extreme examples of abuse that I am aware of took place in the late '70s and early '80s. I personally know two powerlifters and five top-level bodybuilders (two Olympia competitors) who have admitted to taking between 50 and 100 dianabol a day during the '70s. They also claim that they knew many other top-level athletes who have done the same, along with taking various injectables, also in huge dosages. Some of them knew athletes that became very ill from their practice without realizing the cause. The funny thing is that, in many instances, the doctors did not recognize the cause, either—typically cross-questioning the patient about alcoholism even after hearing what they had been taking. This demonstrates how easy it is for the facts to become buried.
I also know one top strength athlete who admitted to regularly taking 100 dianabol a day and two 5,000-mg doses of testosterone per week during the weeks prior to a competition. He would also train on amphetamine and use sleeping pills to allow him to sleep twice a day, all during the innocent '70s and early '80s. By this man's own admission, if he had not injured himself seriously in preparation for the world championships, he probably would have died.
One world powerlifting champion told me that, in the early '80s, he would usually inject 10 ml of stanazolol (yes, that's 500 mg) a day for the last month before a contest. Another told me of his friend who took eight Anadrol a day until he was hospitalized.
The most extreme example that I've ever heard was confessed to me by a former British Olympia competitor. During the preparation for his last show, in the '80s, he took two Anadrol, ten dianabol, six Halotestin, and 100 Anavar a day. On top of this, he also injected 4,000 mg of Deca, 2,000 mg of testosterone cypionate, 400 mg of Winstrol, and 400 mg of Primobolan per week. Add to this Thiomucase injections, thyroxine, Nolvadex, and Esiclene, but make sure that you don't cremate this SOB when he goes because he'll probably burn for a week! These are just a few examples, but I have heard of many such claims throughout the years.
The argument that there are more advanced drugs and variety available to today's competitor is flawed. I accept that there's more knowledge of drug use today and that growth hormone is probably the single-greatest advancement in the ergogen profile, but GH was also available to those who endured the '80s. Besides, the lack of knowledge often led to more abuse, not less.
However, athletes today will never know the benefits of some of the now discontinued drugs used by "those who point the finger." Just ask Dan Duchaine or Jeff Feliciano about the effectiveness of drugs like Roxilon, bolasterone, Anatrofin, thiomesterone, Finaject...I'm sorry, I can't go on without getting emotional. God, I miss them!
Sure, there's still plenty of abuse today. I know several Olympia competitors that are taking 30-40 dianabol a day and around 2,000 mg of both Deca and cypionate per week during the off-season. Some national competitors are taking much more.
Typically, today's pro will use a minimum of six products in his build-up for a show, but that doesn't include thyroid, clenbuterol, Cytadren, Nolvadex, insulin, insulin agonists, and diuretics. Some use more exotic specials like IGF, prostaglandins, EPO, Synthol, heparin, glucagon, osmotic diuretics, topical fat-burning products, and opiate-based anti-catabolics, like Nubain and Buprenex. GH use is obviously quite common, too, and the standard dosage is usually around 8-20 IU a day.
For obvious reasons, I cannot go into the personal dosages of any of the athletes that I advise. But I hope that this will help you, perhaps, see things in a different light the next time you hear weary dribblings of the "out of touch" antagonists and the "wannabe" experts.
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no yates was not better in the side tri (in 96)!!..
No he was much better ;) Nasser doesn't even know how to do the pose , nothing new with him
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Van B,
great find!
another interesting line from that article...
"The most extreme example that I've ever heard was confessed to me by a former British Olympia competitor. During the preparation for his last show, in the '80s, he took two Anadrol, ten dianabol, six Halotestin, and 100 Anavar a day. On top of this, he also injected 4,000 mg of Deca, 2,000 mg of testosterone cypionate, 400 mg of Winstrol, and 400 mg of Primobolan per week."
just goes to show what cycles were being run by the pros....BACK IN THE 80'S!!
and people doubt the dosages of today!!!??
ONE OTHER THING TO POINT OUT....no disrespect to gh15, he's doing his job in making sure people knwo the truth today, but looks like this Brian Batcheldor guy was spilling all this out in that article way back and well before gh15, the only differene it seems is just couldnt do it to the same level of audience (internet) that gh15 has captured in todays society.
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I would have ran too :-X
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people believe everything they read in Flex magazine because it is the gospel truth ::)
i can tell you there was no official diuretics testing- Nasser was made an example of, it was to "prove" to the public the IFBB "cared" about the health of their athletes after the death of Munzer
again, there was no actual diuretics testing- do you think de milia was goign to spend alot of $ on expensive drug test- this would mean less profit for De milia- this was always the bottom line for de milia- his profit , not the health of the BB's
Kevin Levrone graciously allowed Nasser to keep the 3rd place trophy and medal because Kevin knew it was the honorable thing to do after the debacle of the "positive diuretics test"
anyone who knows about competing knows ALL competitors use it, naturals, amateurs and all pro's
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The IFBB power clique of de milia, manion et al did things the way they chose- it is a very corrupt organisation.
@ the 97 O, Lee priest has placed 4th ahead of levrone.
Levrone was so upset and distraught about this backstage they changed it around so Lee was 6th and kevin put forward to 4th.
there are many things fans have no idea about, you have to be in the know from ppl who were there in the inner circle
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The IFBB power clique of de milia, manion et al did things the way they chose- it is a very corrupt organisation.
@ the 97 O, Lee priest has placed 4th ahead of levrone.
Levrone was so upset and distraught about this backstage they changed it around so Lee was 6th and kevin put forward to 4th.
there are many things fans have no idea about, you have to be in the know from ppl who were there in the inner circle
I believe this. guys like ND who quote these BBing rags as Gospel, and regurgitated judging "criteria" are laughably naive
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I believe this. guys like ND who quote these BBing rags as Gospel, and regurgitated judging "criteria" are laughably naive
x2!
groink knows the reality of the IFBB
the articles "WRITTEN"A BY THE pro's are most of the time ghost written by tom deters- since when were IFBB pro's so articulate and well written
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I believe this. guys like ND who quote these BBing rags as Gospel, and regurgitated judging "criteria" are laughably naive
Yeah you would believe ' the sawmi ' he's a lot more credible ::) you're willfully ignorant
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people believe everything they read in Flex magazine because it is the gospel truth ::)
i can tell you there was no official diuretics testing- Nasser was made an example of, it was to "prove" to the public the IFBB "cared" about the health of their athletes after the death of Munzer
again, there was no actual diuretics testing- do you think de milia was goign to spend alot of $ on expensive drug test- this would mean less profit for De milia- this was always the bottom line for de milia- his profit , not the health of the BB's
Kevin Levrone graciously allowed Nasser to keep the 3rd place trophy and medal because Kevin knew it was the honorable thing to do after the debacle of the "positive diuretics test"
anyone who knows about competing knows ALL competitors use it, naturals, amateurs and all pro's
prove there was no test , don't type there was no test prove it.
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you go on believing what you want to ND, its your right.
i dont have to prove this nor do you have to prove anything to me
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Yeah you would believe ' the sawmi ' he's a lot more credible ::) you're willfully ignorant
Yes...I place more credibility in the words of an actual BBer who is a personal friend of one of the the very best Pros of the 90s....as opposed to an anonymous troll who takes these imbecilic BBing comic books that are aimed at 15 year old boys ( and homos ) Seriously.
Call me crazy ::)
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you go on believing what you want to ND, its your right.
i dont have to prove this nor do you have to prove anything to me
Of course you don't you make a complete blanket statement and know you c an't back it up and we're supposed to just take your word for it ::) give me a break
the irony , you believe your conspiracy theories that Nasser was made an example of I like proof you like stories
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Yes...I place more credibility in the words of an actual BBer who is a personal friend of one of the the very best Pros of the 90s....as opposed to an anonymous troll who takes these imbecilic BBing comic books that are aimed at 15 year old boys ( and homos ) Seriously.
Call me crazy ::)
I don't call your crazy I call you a fucking moron and a hypocrite who acts like reading a bodybuilding magazine is gay yet doesn't think twice about spending his hard earned money to see his favorite man in thong live and in the flesh and making Youtube videos posing for other men on a bodybuilding message board NOTHING GAY ABOUT THAT AT ALL ::)
I like proof when people make wild accusations without any then I'll laugh at their stupidity until I'm proven wrong
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I don't call your crazy I call you a fucking moron and a hypocrite who acts like reading a bodybuilding magazine is gay yet doesn't think twice about spending his hard earned money to see his favorite man in thong live and in the flesh
I like proof when people make wild accusations without any then I'll laugh at their stupidity until I'm proven wrong
who are you talking about? not me, that's for sure. I went to the 98 and 99 Os because my wife was an exec for NBTY and we got free VIP packages, the fact they they were free trips to Manhattan and Vegas was the biggest factor 8)....haven't been to a show since.
You're a dipshit who pores over thousands of bbing mags and sites to this day digging for pics an "quotes" to support your retarded striated ass crusade.
do you even lift weights?
As far as your little argument here with The Swami.....as usual, you're "right" because you say so ::)
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who are you talking about? not me, that's for sure. I went to the 98 and 99 Os because my wife was an exec for NBTY and we got free VIP packages, the fact they they were free trips to Manhattan and Vegas was the biggest factor 8)....haven't been to a show since.
You're a dipshit who pores over thousands of bbing mags and sites to this day digging for pics an "quotes" to support your retarded striated ass crusade.
do you even lift weights?
As far as your little argument here with The Swami.....as usual, you're "right" because you say so ::)
Groink had the courage to post his pics here and a rock solid physique which screams consistency, hard training and alove of the iron
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ND on the other hand will never post pics of his garbage bag body.
ND shows his love of Dorian yates and loves to quote the "gospel of truth":peter mcgough and Flex mag
ND i would hypothesize is a skinny guy in his mid 20's, closet homosexual, ithink has a psychology degree from some community college and has in overinflated sense of superiority and self worth, hence his name ND- and just HAS to be right ALL the time.
why would anyone else argue for over 1000 pages on an internet board defending his man love Dorian?
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who are you talking about? not me, that's for sure. I went to the 98 and 99 Os because my wife was an exec for NBTY and we got free VIP packages, the fact they they were free trips to Manhattan and Vegas was the biggest factor 8)....haven't been to a show since.
You're a dipshit who pores over thousands of bbing mags and sites to this day digging for pics an "quotes" to support your retarded striated ass crusade.
do you even lift weights?
As far as your little argument here with The Swami.....as usual, you're "right" because you say so ::)
Yeah you for sure , it doesn't matter if you paid or not you attended , bodybuilding magazines are some how gay yet attending multiple shows in person isn't and how about making YouTube videos of yourself in a tank-top posing for the lads , that's really fucking gay
I'm the dipshit who doesn't buy there was no test without any proof you're the dipshit who does you're in denial about a lot of things sport
and do I lift? trying to divert the convo out of frustration? I could look like pumptser and you're still a hypocrite who thinks bodybuilding magazines are somehow gay but attending shows in person and posing for other men in a tank-top isn't
is there the part where you call me out because I never posted a pic? LMFAO maybe I should make a video and have some GetBig cred like you LMFAO
keep trying to impress me sport it hasn't worked yet
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Shawn destroying Nasser and Dorian
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=373214.0;attach=410414;image)
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ND on the other hand will never post pics of his garbage bag body.
ND shows his love of Dorian yates and loves to quote the "gospel of truth":peter mcgough and Flex mag
ND i would hypothesize is a skinny guy in his mid 20's, closet homosexual, ithink has a psychology degree from some community college and has in overinflated sense of superiority and self worth, hence his name ND- and just HAS to be right ALL the time.
why would anyone else argue for over 1000 pages on an internet board defending his man love Dorian?
AAAAWWWWWWWWW poor baby got your feelings hurt because I called you out on making claims with no proof? like Groink trying somehow to divert the topic away from your own stupidity?
You are right I will never post a pic of myself online , especially not on no bodybuilding message board I'm above that , someone kill me if I ever make a YouTube video HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
and you couldn't be any more off the mark , but I am whatever you want me to be and I have no desire to try and change your opinion even though way off the mark , just point how your stupidity
now back to that proof of being no test in 1996 ? ;)
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i would also surmise ND goes to the gym but only to workout his eyeballs, spending hours staring @ the big guys
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i would also surmise ND goes to the gym but only to workout his eyeballs, spending hours staring @ the big guys
Projection? beautiful man with glasses? :-X and Nasser is to busy selling his used thongs to all you ' big guys ' :-X
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AAAAWWWWWWWWW poor baby got your feelings hurt because I called you out on making claims with no proof? like Groink trying somehow to divert the topic away from your own stupidity?
You are right I will never post a pic of myself online , especially not on no bodybuilding message board I'm above that , someone kill me if I ever make a YouTube video HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
and you couldn't be any more off the mark , but I am whatever you want me to be and I have no desire to try and change your opinion even though way off the mark , just point how your stupidity
now back to that proof of being no test in 1996 ? ;)
ND meltdown :'(
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ND meltdown :'(
Proof? where is it again? yeah I thought so ;)
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Yeah you for sure , it doesn't matter if you paid or not you attended , bodybuilding magazines are some how gay yet attending multiple shows in person isn't and how about making YouTube videos of yourself in a tank-top posing for the lads , that's really fucking gay
I'm the dipshit who doesn't but there was no test without any proof you're the dipshit who does you're in denial about a lot of things sport
and do I lift? trying to divert the convo out of frustration? I could look like pumptser and you're still a hypocrite who thinks bodybuilding magazines are somehow gay but attending shows in person and posing for other men in a tank-top isn't
is there the part where you call me out because I never posted a pic? LMFAO maybe I should make a video and have some GetBig cred like you LMFAO
keep trying to impress me sport it hasn't worked yet
ummm...what?
this was a very comprehensive meltdown...covered a lot of ground
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ummm...what?
this was a very comprehensive meltdown...covered a lot of ground
says the guy who doesn't like GetBig cliches'
what else are you gonna say? ' yeah you have a point ND I am a hypocrite for saying bodybuilding magazines are gay and then attending contests and making YouTube videos of myself posing for men on the board '
what else are you gonna say? ;)
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Nothing Gay at all about this bros LMFAO but you read them bodybuilding magazines that's gay , this video speaks VOLUMES of where you're at emotionally sport
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ND epic meltdown continues :'(
get a life outside of getbig loser
how many posts? how do you waste so much of your life here??
answer- you dont have a life- prove that one to yourself ND :-\
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Nothing Gay at all about this bros LMFAO but you read them bodybuilding magazines that's gay , this video speaks VOLUMES of where you're at emotionally sport
Yet you're the one who saved the link....LOL.
why are you changing the argument here? who was talking about BBing being gay ?
I said BBing rags are aimed at a gay audience....are you disputing that fact?
I never said you were gay you idiot...I said you were an idiot.
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Nothing Gay at all about this bros LMFAO but you read them bodybuilding magazines that's gay , this video speaks VOLUMES of where you're at emotionally sport
how is it that you can get so passionately angry about bodybuilding contests that happened over a decade ago? especially when your "guy" was the winner?
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people believe everything they read in Flex magazine because it is the gospel truth ::)
i can tell you there was no official diuretics testing- Nasser was made an example of, it was to "prove" to the public the IFBB "cared" about the health of their athletes after the death of Munzer
again, there was no actual diuretics testing- do you think de milia was goign to spend alot of $ on expensive drug test- this would mean less profit for De milia- this was always the bottom line for de milia- his profit , not the health of the BB's
Kevin Levrone graciously allowed Nasser to keep the 3rd place trophy and medal because Kevin knew it was the honorable thing to do after the debacle of the "positive diuretics test"
anyone who knows about competing knows ALL competitors use it, naturals, amateurs and all pro's
I recently read this interview in Swedish about doping in the IFBB. According to the interviewee DeMilia tried to bribe his way out of testing pros at competition in Sweden. Shitty google translation but maybe the gist of it can be understood.
Översättning från svenska till engelska
A plague in the system
In March 2007, the Kennet WIKLUND, 62, from his position as chairman of the Swedish Association of Physical Training. Ten hectic years lined with fruitless attempts to get into the sport of bodybuilding Riksidrottsförbundet, RF. And an equally fruitless fight against doping in bodybuilding world - and thus on the entire industry that lives off and on steroid monsters.
And yes, he looks back on his mission with a certain bitterness. But with no remorse. When I interviewed her for the third time (seven years), he simmers the same uncompromising and seems quite pleased to have been "a hell of bubonic plague in the system".
When I talked to you the first time you had recently been stopped by the guards as you would do drug tests at a bodybuilding contest [Read: Zero track of Swedish bodybuilding]. You described the incident as "the first nail in the lid of the coffin for the bodybuilding sport." Sued your fears?
It can probably tell, we have such a bad reputation. I have been in government, sat on Rosenbad few times and we have always been in my throat. We have no support from anywhere. We are not in the RF and we will never get to there either. We counted as a 'subculture'. I have repeatedly asked for money to be able to test our people, but no. The money and support went instead to the example Sven Nylander and company that was on the luxury restaurant and pulled a rope and another for money. It says something about proper criteria to govern in these circles.
Has it happened nothing on the test front, since last time?
No. We could not afford. A drug test will cost five thousand bucks.
But how would you advice before?
We had three really good years. 1997 to 1999, we had the Stockholm International Fairs. We pulled 700000-800000 crowns in tickets. We sent the full national team and we tested all that went out. We tested for an enormous amount of money. But then I took them over, pushed us and made its own agreement behind his back. Which also meant that our achievements as a covenant was reduced drastically.
Who took over?
It was Ove Rytter and BK Sports Magazine [called today Body]. They rented a room and made my own race, invited professional team from the U.S., with Wayne DeMilia. And I as chairman of Sweden, did not even enter the contest. They said that there was no room, that everything was sold out. I did not even buy a ticket, but then they went on the pump I had with me a doping controller Special flying in from Norway who worked within the IOC [International Olympic Committee], that when this came to light was about to scare the crap out of Mr. DeMilia
Why did they take over the competition?
They wanted to make money. We had some great years with the box office as it crackled. We were up on the runway and showed that we wanted to test and it underlined with people with the Reaper. I would tip that six out of ten were convicted in the late 90's. It is so throughout the system. Six-seven out of ten is doped.
IFBB (International Federation of Bodybuilders) adopted a new doping policy for about a year ago. It says that the IFBB should take further steps to adopt the World Anti Doping Agency (WADA) code.
Ahh, it's fucking window dressing
Then it says that tests should be performed "out of competition" from 2007 ...
There can they do now, but that's just bullshit talk of getting a good reputation. This bullshit has gone through the ages.
I will tell you that I was the first who was involved in a national federations had to take care of the tests themselves, the women's World Championships in Borlange. Then I ran it in-house and with his own chosen people under the Swedish rule book, and then Thurs-booked the entire Brazilian national team and two or three teams had to go home next day. Then I was summoned to Rafael Santonja, who is president of Europe today. "I want the original papers on the tests," he said. "No way" I said, "they are mine, it is us who manages testing".
But it was the first and last time a national federation was handle this yourself. Then took over the IFBB. Therefore, there has never been anything on the international level, for they throw well tests in the trash to keep up appearances
You mean they do not archive the tests?
Not hell, they throw away the tests next day. They contestant will not even felled during the race. Doping tests are just for show.
Is there anything of interest in the business of drug tests?
No. At our meetings, and even dietary supplements industry said: "God, do not take any tests at this competition." The boys and girls on the stage as they have sponsored is not clean. You can take Twinlab, Big Boss, Sweden Pro. Does not matter.
Those who provide and sell dietary supplements are terrified that we must try. Much like a horse trainer has four horses in a race, so have dietary supplements four or five guys in his stable as possible for their brand. We test so cods them of course.
Things got so bad that after a race, an SM in which the podium was tested, then the first three, did not B & K is the winner on its front page until it was known that the test results become known and confirmed. And because it was me who ran the piece, I was constantly called by B & K's editorial board because they wanted to have a green light on him the winner would be "PURE".
Since they had gone on a few rivets previously discovered that it probably was not as good for their newspaper to expose these "johns" on its front page. Doping debate was given high priority during my time and attention far beyond the small circle of racing the house was and is in Sweden.
But with the secrecy that prevailed throughout these procedures did they not know anything until the case was closed, and hence could be published as we always did.
It was not just one time I was called unfair because they were not told the outcome "like that bit in advance" to meet their deadline and publication schedule for the magazine.
Money talks. You must see the human in nature. People are just like this. Do you have a chance to win, you take course preparations. Why would you not do that when culture is that it is in them this circuit. Not the hell is someone who rises to the side and must be serious and say "I drive clean, I'm really good". Yes when you finish sixth.
There is no one who cares about a six. There is only one that applies. I could be wrong with regard to Nicko Lundholm from Umeå, a guy who has competed in almost 30 years. He is in my eyes completely pure and thus a great role model for the Swedish Bodybuilding.
You mean you can not do anything at all?
No. Not a damn damn, you can do. Just as climate change, we can not do anything about it. It is slow to hell, and we must accept, it controls only the speed of the precipice.
What degree of influence over bodybuilding has Ove Rytter and BK?
Ahhhh, [it turns into a growl] they are dominant in the Nordic countries. Newspaper in Norway, with the Bonnier Group, he writes books ... It's a mega bloke. And I'll tell you, we have become bitter, bitter enemies over time.
The hell I will not tolerate. There is something about a "subculture". A dual nature as it is not wise. It's only money in that State.
We have fought against each other at all times. I have tried to run the sport clean, but it was he who stopped me on the race. There ran over the cup.
Sounds like he has the same influence here as brothers Weider has been in the U.S.?
Yes but he will have a recognition, but Ove Rytter would not we have such a good covenant that we have. With computerization and licenses, insurance, and so on. We have had to be the absolute best to respond Ove riders attack on the Federal Executive.
On the newspaper Bodys online forums, you get the correct sharp criticism of the new editor of Body.
You know, beauty is always in the eyes of the beholder. Of course he thought I was a hell of bubonic plague in the system. There, I also thought if I had been in his clothes.
I have noticed that people in this industry are reluctant to talk about steroid use in public, even if they have had problems.
There are hardly any whistle blowers at this level. It is a tough industry. You have the whole guard, in the three largest cities and also in northern Sweden, which comes from the bodybuilding circles.
There is a violent example that everything is based on, and violence is glorified in any way, I think. , Turn from it, if you stress a cat or fuss with a child, then you are a fucking pussy. It should belong to this hardcore group, then you are inside. And there are two options today. Either one is inside or you're out there. There is nothing in between.
And I'm completely out, you know. Other than that I am very much in demand by parents' associations and schools for saying who it is. But not in the group of bodybuilders, God damn what they é pleased that Kenneth Wiklund'm up in Örnsköldsvik and shuts up.
Despite your unpopularity would get a medal by Ben Weider [IFBB's President] for your work against doping. Did you receive it sometime?
I was nominated for such but received a "source" told the "do not go there Kennet, for no security in the world can be responsible for your life out there", so I did not go.
Are you saying that you were threatened?
Yes, I have been threatened for many years. I can produce the cassettes where they talked in to the answering machine that they will "cut off my dick and put down your throat"
I was also threatened with murder, via a phone call from Gothenburg. So I took the plane down and went to a gym in Gothenburg and said "here I am, here is 73 kg Wiklund, do whatever the hell you want with me". I remember there was complete silence. No one said anything. And it came to nothing. [The threats came from a reputable builder who trained in Gothenburg. He and Wiklund reconciled later]
You have also had to change hotels ...
Yes there were some friends who moved with me for a competition. I would I do doping tests in this race who had Ove, Classic Body Contest.
The contest where you did not get admitted?
Yes. It was a real tangle. Before the contest phoned Wayne DeMilia me up and offered SEK 100 000 which was right in the federal treasury. And later phoned Jihlke and said we could get half the proceeds from the contest, only I did not follow my plans to test on the race
And then I said, "that you can stop up the ass" and "you Wayne, you can climb up the Statue of Liberty and you jump from there, then we are free from you at least". And then the war was started.
Is there someone who will take over the fight against doping after you?
I think not. When I look in the mirror I see a very ambitious guy who had an impossible task to implement.
In the end it's always money that decide, also in this case. And with me as an example, surely everyone in the industry give me right when I say that it probably will not be any more Kenneth Wiklund in the foreseeable future.
In view of all the resistance, it is not nice to leave this world?
Well, I go a little easier. I have a lot more free time, I've also got hives so I can keep with beekeeping. I like what's up now, and I'm fine. Bloody good. I'm 62 and in great shape. And I train to compete. In September or next fall, who knows. Then we must not forget that I also have many real friends for the time been.
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ND is just a magazines parrot ;D
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The IFBB power clique of de milia, manion et al did things the way they chose- it is a very corrupt organisation.
@ the 97 O, Lee priest has placed 4th ahead of levrone.
Levrone was so upset and distraught about this backstage they changed it around so Lee was 6th and kevin put forward to 4th.
there are many things fans have no idea about, you have to be in the know from ppl who were there in the inner circle
no way, I suppose the competitors wouldnt know the results until the final call outs so it must have haveppend live on stage, do we have recordings of this?
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no way, I suppose the competitors wouldnt know the results until the final call outs so it must have haveppend live on stage, do we have recordings of this?
yes and they called priest as 4th then dillett 5th and kevin 6th then they amended the result a day after i think saying there was an error in the computer or something like this!!..
check this video and see how they montaged the part of announcing placed from 6th to 4th!!..
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yes and they called priest as 4th then dillett 5th and kevin 6th then they amended the result a day after i think saying there was an error in the computer or something like this!!..
check this video and see how they montaged the part of announcing placed from 6th to 4th!!..
If "certain people" just say that Nasser is the best would you please shut the hell up? ??? ??? I mean, forever and ever. ???
Arnold was the all time best anyways. Nasser just slapped women while Arnold "Slayed Hoes". 8)
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Yet you're the one who saved the link....LOL.
why are you changing the argument here? who was talking about BBing being gay ?
I said BBing rags are aimed at a gay audience....are you disputing that fact?
I never said you were gay you idiot...I said you were an idiot.
Saved the link? wrong again ;D I Googled Groink you tube
I never changed any argument I just pointed out your hypocrisy , in claiming that bodybuilding magazines and some how gay ( and I believe you claimed the same about watching bodybuilding DVDs as well ) yet attending shows isn't and another example of your hypocrisy is the GetBig cliches which you can't stand but are guilty if using , you're a hypocrite and not a very bright one at that
I never claimed you said I was gay ( the irony of you following that up with idiot ) you can't even follow the conversation , this is about your hypocrisy ( and stupidity ) follow the bouncing ball Groink
I'll be waiting for your witty retort without using the standard GetBig original cliches'
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I would never give points to these chunky fatties with gross legs, backs to big for arms and chest and overdone delts blehhhh
arnold bob paris look would get points from me
no homo
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Saved the link? wrong again ;D I Googled Groink you tube
I never changed any argument I just pointed out your hypocrisy , in claiming that bodybuilding magazines and some how gay ( and I believe you claimed the same about watching bodybuilding DVDs as well ) yet attending shows isn't and another example of your hypocrisy is the GetBig cliches which you can't stand but are guilty if using , you're a hypocrite and not a very bright one at that
I never claimed you said I was gay ( the irony of you following that up with idiot ) you can't even follow the conversation , this is about your hypocrisy ( and stupidity ) follow the bouncing ball Groink
I'll be waiting for your witty retort without using the standard GetBig original cliches'
Do you even know what Hypocrisy is you fucking retard?
In Laymens terms....saying one thing and doing the opposite .
So please show me where I said... "I would never go to a BBing competition....because they are gay" I'll wait. ;)
Do you just pull this shit out of your ass? You must have me confused with one of these retards that cry all day on a BBing forum about how gay BBing is.
Im sure ive cracked a joke or three, but I really don't take a stance on that one way or the other...to each their own. Are there a SHITLOAD of homos at a show? hell yes....but it wouldn't stop me from going to one. Especially if someone threw me an all expenses paid trip to Vegas to see it...that's a fucking no-brainer.
like you. "Hypocrite".....LOL ::)
PS......its a trick question, figure it out.
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Nasser is one of the worst bodybuilders ever. I don't even understand how he turned pro. He looked very impressive in the front hands clasped pose only because his clavicles are so wide, and that is it. He looked like shit at everything else. I don't even understand why we are having this discussion. I can only assume that Groink, Sharma, BigBobs and others like him so much because Nasser is of their same ethnic group.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Nasser is one of the worst bodybuilders ever. I don't even understand how he turned pro. He looked very impressive in the front hands clasped pose only because his clavicles are so wide, and that is it. He looked like shit at everything else. I don't even understand why we are having this discussion. I can only assume that Groink, Sharma, BigBobs and others like him so much because Nasser is of their same ethnic group.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
gronk?!!.. hahahhaahahaa you are an idiot to say this hahaha..
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Do you even know what Hypocrisy is you fucking retard?
In Laymens terms....saying one thing and doing the opposite .
So please show me where I said... "I would never go to a BBing competition....because they are gay" I'll wait. ;)
Do you just pull this shit out of your ass? You must have me confused with one of these retards that cry all day on a BBing forum about how gay BBing is.
Im sure ive cracked a joke or three, but I really don't take a stance on that one way or the other...to each their own. Are there a SHITLOAD of homos at a show? hell yes....but it wouldn't stop me from going to one. Especially if someone threw me an all expenses paid trip to Vegas to see it...that's a fucking no-brainer.
like you. "Hypocrite".....LOL ::)
PS......its a trick question, figure it out.
Why do you get drawn into the Great Nasser Debates? It's like a Sabre Tooth Cat getting drawn into the La Brea Tar Pits because it sees a Mammoth stuck in them...and then it gets stuck...
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let me answer dorian ....not like i didnt in real life but ill answer it here for everyone to see,,
we do all take the same drugs,,but! the importane of what you do in the gym is nothing like the importance of how consistant you are in your drug taking,,for!! it is not the one who do little cycle here and therre who advance ot the next level...it is the ones who CONSISTANTLY HORMNIZING HIMSELF YEAR AFTER YARS months after months and ONLY THEN can build upon what he already achieved,,it is the consistancy and the build up of the hormone in the blood,,the levles needed to change a physiqe to ACTUALY CREATE SOLID CONSTANT CHANGES and not some water and fat and bloofiness that will be made to belieev by your own will that it is lean muscle....doesnt work this way ,,
the reason we are the best is because of our respond to the hormones that we take consistantly and with out a break,,we change between them,,
funny how no one mention trenbololna ace which is dorian more favortie drug ...he keep saying deca test yada dee yada daa but in reality it is the trenbolona and gh that make the greates most solid most dramatic change to a physiqe in all aspect from develkopment to hardness to dryness to detail to bodyfat reduction to the addition of TRUE LEAN MUSCLE TISSUE,,
YES SOME BODYBUILDERS WORK VERY HARD,,BUT I GARENTEE YOU THAT WITH OUT THE CONSISTANT HORMONIZATION NOTHING WILL HAPPEN BESIDE INJURIES AND MORE INJURIES AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT IF YOU TRAIN TOO HARD AND TOO SERIOUS WITH OUT HORMONIZATION YOU WILL START SHRINKING AND START STIFFENING YOUR OWN MUSCLES WILL FAIL ON AND OWN YOU! OWN YOU BECAUSE THE HARDER YOU WIL WORK WITH OUT CONSTANT HORMONIZATION....THE WORSE YOU WILL LOOK ...MARK MY WORD,,IT IS ALWAYS POSSIBEL TO BE SMALL THIN AND RIPPED,,BUT BODYBUILD IS WHO CAN BRING THE BETTER CONDITIONED SIZE,,,SIZE IS ONE OF THE WORDS,,C O N D I T I O N E D SIZE MEANING YOU NEED TO BE SHOWING DECENT SIZE 180 200 220 240 THAT IS CONDITIONED INTO THE 4-7 % BODYFAT ,,ONLY THEN ONLY THEN YOU WILL LOOK LIKE COMPETETIVE BODYBUILD ... ONLY THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT SEPERATE TOP BODYBUILD FROM LOWER LEVEL BODYBUILD IS
1 THE DOSE AND QUALITY OF PRODUCT
2 THE RESPOND TO IT
3 THE CONSISTANCY IN TAKING IT
WE NEVER FUCKIN GO OFF! 3 WEEKS IS NOT OFF BUT EVEN 3 WEEKS WE DONT TAKE ,,WE CHANGE CHANGE CHANGE! PRODUCTS AND DORIAN KNWO IT ,,AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT MANY OF US REMAIN ON SAME PRODUCTS FOR 6 MONTHS ,,WE SAY SOMETHING AND DO SOMETHING ELSE,,I KEEP TELLIN YOU THAT,,BODYBUILD DONT WANT TO SHARE SECRET ,,IN REALITY THE SECRET TIMES OF BODYBUILDING IS LONG GONE ,,IT HAS BEEN GONE ALREADY 6 YEARS FROM THE TIME GOD OF HORMONES WAS INTRODUCED TO SOCIETY
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I bow to thee, my master. What will be thy bidding', O God Of Hormones ??
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Nasser getting outclassed by Ronnie and Kevin, but hes fucking huge here.
Dorian at the same show
Interesting quote I found on the youtube vid
What is all this crap about Yates and Nasser in 97? I was there,and right after the 97 Mr O everyone agreed Dorian was in the best shape he'd ever been. Look at the cover of Flex that year and he looks insane! Nasser was considered a chunky block of mass back then who couldn't get his symmetry or midsection in shape no matter what. He never had anything on Dorian. Dorian's only problem was the prevalent over use of GH and insulin, and non-optimal pre contest dieting...
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Do you even know what Hypocrisy is you fucking retard?
In Laymens terms....saying one thing and doing the opposite .
So please show me where I said... "I would never go to a BBing competition....because they are gay" I'll wait. ;)
Do you just pull this shit out of your ass? You must have me confused with one of these retards that cry all day on a BBing forum about how gay BBing is.
Im sure ive cracked a joke or three, but I really don't take a stance on that one way or the other...to each their own. Are there a SHITLOAD of homos at a show? hell yes....but it wouldn't stop me from going to one. Especially if someone threw me an all expenses paid trip to Vegas to see it...that's a fucking no-brainer.
like you. "Hypocrite".....LOL ::)
PS......its a trick question, figure it out.
I already explained it to you dumbass according to you bodybuilding magazines are gay as are watching the DVDs yet YOU attending the shows live isn't and you making videos for fellow men on GetBig isn't , that's a hypocritical stance on your behalf
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I already explained it to you dumbass according to you bodybuilding magazines are gay as are watching the DVDs yet YOU attending the shows live isn't and you making videos for fellow men on GetBig isn't , that's a hypocritical stance on your behalf
Show me Where I said ANY of that.
I said that bbing rags are aimed at teenagers and gays.....you took that simple statement and just started making shit up.....as usual.
And none of that would make me a hypocrite anyway, if I went to a show ...numbskull.
I think this has gotten boring enough....carry on
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Show me Where I said ANY of that.
I said that bbing rags are aimed at teenagers and gays.....you took that simple statement and just started making shit up.....as usual.
And none of that would make me a hypocrite anyway, if I went to a show ...numbskull.
I think this has gotten boring enough....carry on
You are a hypocrite magazines are gay and bodybuilding videos are but you going to shows aren't , so you admit they are gay? but hey as long as you didn't pay huh? ::) and that Youtube video? that's gay to the 10th power
and about you lamenting about GetBig cliches' then using them? want more examples of your hypocrisy?
it never gets boring exposing you for the moron you are
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You are a hypocrite magazines are gay and bodybuilding videos are but you going to shows aren't , so you admit they are gay? but hey as long as you didn't pay huh? ::) and that Youtube video? that's gay to the 10th power
and about you lamenting abzout GetBig cliches' then using them? want more examples of your hypocrisy?
it never gets boring exposing you for the moron you are
Ill make it easy for you....OK ?
I Think that BBing competitions DO have a gay aspect to them, as do the mags and some videos. its common knowledge.
But going to a show wouldn't make me a hypocrite you tool.
it would make me NOT a homophobe.....and you an idiot who doesn't know what "hypocrite" means.
if I said "I would never go go a show, that's for homos " and then I went to one....then you might have a point..."sport" 8)
Well do numbers and letters tomorrow. ..OK? :D
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Ill make it easy for you....OK ?
I Think that BBing competitions DO have a gay aspect to them, as do the mags and some videos. its common knowledge.
But going to a show wouldn't make me a hypocrite you tool.
it would make me NOT a homophobe.....and you an idiot who doesn't know what "hypocrite" means.
if I said "I would never go go a show, that's for homos " and then I went to one....then you might have a point..."sport" 8)
Well do numbers and letters tomorrow. ..OK? :D
i dont understand what you answer him for,,fella is nuts,,like real real kookoo nest jack nicolson gang type of nuts,, he sound more nuts than me when i talk about whores and aliens,,this is top of nut chart
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Ill make it easy for you....OK ?
I Think that BBing competitions DO have a gay aspect to them, as do the mags and some videos. its common knowledge.
But going to a show wouldn't make me a hypocrite you tool.
it would make me NOT a homophobe.....and you an idiot who doesn't know what "hypocrite" means.
if I said "I would never go go a show, that's for homos " and then I went to one....then you might have a point..."sport" 8)
Well do numbers and letters tomorrow. ..OK? :D
I already gave you two examples of you being a hypocrite , sadly you have limited capabilities
same Bat time same Bat channel ;)
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I already gave you two examples of you being a hypocrite , sadly you have limited capabilities
same Bat time same Bat channel ;)
Geezus Dude let it go...
oh my god,,you used a word out of context!! :-X..............its OK, you'll live. ::)
I've never seen someone with "Im-always-right" Itis as bad as you ever in my life...not even close.
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