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Title: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: TK on April 19, 2011, 03:08:29 PM

Amazing how Jason Ellis, on trial for lewd acts on a 14/15 year old girl, keeps getting delayed.   Unlawfal sexual intercourse, sexual penetration by foreign objects, oral copulation of a person under 16.   This is the famed bikini and figure photographer that many girls proudly respect?

Are they serious?

Am I missing something here?

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on April 19, 2011, 03:27:04 PM
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Ron on April 21, 2011, 09:37:29 AM

There may be a problem in the case, considered that Jason Ellis MARRIED the girl in February.


A well-known fitness photographer who is awaiting trial on a host of child molestation charges has now married his alleged victim more than three years after the district attorney says the crimes occurred.

Jason James Ellis, 36, has been charged with six felony sexual assault counts including sexual penetration by a foreign object, unlawful sexual intercourse and oral copulation of a then-15-year-old aspiring model, according to court records.

The model is now 18, and the couple married Feb. 28 in Orange County, Calif., where Ellis has a thriving photography business shooting muscle magazines.

His trial is set for June 6.

Instances involving a victim who marries the defendant charged with assaulting them are rare, Orange County Deputy District Attorney Drew Haughton told the Daily Pilot newspaper.

"I typically saw weddings more in the context where there was a pregnancy involved and they wanted to keep the family together," Haughton said. "I don't think I've ever seen one with this large an age difference."

He said their marriage didn't change his confidence in the case.

"I think whether they're married or not, he committed a crime because we have evidence to believe he had sexual intercourse with a 15-year-old female," Haughton told the Pilot.

According to the district attorney's office, the case unfolded like this:

Ellis met the victim, dubbed "Jane Doe," when she was 14. They were introduced by Ellis' live-in fiancée, Michelle Hecker, under the pretense that the girl would become a model. Hecker is listed on LinkedIn as Ellis' "photo rep."

Soon, Ellis and the girl began having dinner and movie dates and were seen kissing and touching in public.

Hecker, then 31, would facilitate the relationship by picking up the girl at home under the guise of taking her horseback riding. The girl's parents trusted Hecker, who would have Doe dress up in riding clothes and then change out of them during her dates with Ellis.

The girl's parents became suspicious over the amount of time she was spending with Hecker and hired a private investigator to find out what was happening. Evidence was collected -- including DNA -- of a sexual relationship in 2007 and 2008 that was turned over to police.

Hecker was initially charged with the same counts as Ellis, but her case was dismissed when Ellis and the teen married.

"We recently dismissed the charges against Hecker because the victim is now refusing to cooperate, and we are unable to prove a case against Hecker beyond a reasonable doubt without Jane Doe's testimony," district attorney spokeswoman Farrah Emami told AOL News.

Emami said she didn't know what could have motivated Hecker to allegedly become involved in the case.

Calls to Ellis' and Hecker's attorneys were not returned, and Ellis did not return a call placed at his studio.

The photographer's website claims he is "King of Covers" and "The World's #1 Fitness Photographer" with "Over 100 magazine covers." A photo shows him sitting in a brocade jacket on a throne.

He routinely photographs covers of magazines such as Muscle and Fitness, Olympian's News, Men's Workout, and Exercise and Health.

One notation on his site states: "Jason can get you published in a magazine or EVEN ON THE COVER if you have what it takes. You could be the next cover model! Book your shoot today."



http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/20/fitness-photographer-jason-james-ellis-marries-teen-hes-accused/
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Benito Mutumbo on April 21, 2011, 10:35:26 AM
She can visit her husband in jail.

He's still doomed because of the video tapes from the private detective which are extremely incriminating.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: old_lifter on April 21, 2011, 10:43:31 AM
"There may be a problem in the case, considered that Jason Ellis MARRIED the girl in February."

wow, sounds like your defending the actions of a pedophile. nice :-X
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tom on April 21, 2011, 02:00:55 PM
not sure what kind of dna evidence they could have had on ellis? unless, the girl willingly at the time went and got a rape/assault examination. surely he wouldn't have been stupid enough to NOT use a condom?

what a guy, even if he married her, besides doing this to her when she was underage, now he's twice her age!
and what happened to the original fiancee?

lastly, what does that say about all the fitness models and bodybuilders who either didnt' believe the accusations and charges and now and then still defend him, including one supposedly very moral, very born again christian male fitness model, is that hypocrisy on his part! what hate the sin, but not the sinner mumbo jumbo!

you would think he would be a pariah in any industry? surely there are other gifted photogs in the bb fitness world?
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: MB on April 21, 2011, 02:08:18 PM
I wonder if the girl's parents attended the wedding. 
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: 240 is Back on April 21, 2011, 04:11:06 PM
incredible.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: TacoBell on April 21, 2011, 04:20:53 PM
incredible.

no pedo?
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 21, 2011, 06:27:36 PM
I know that twink will never show his face in MetRx again >:(
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: tommywishbone on April 21, 2011, 06:34:39 PM
Lovely story.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: tbombz on April 21, 2011, 06:41:02 PM
should be acquitted
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: JimmyJam1974 on April 21, 2011, 06:43:27 PM
This dude?

(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/jasonellis.jpg)
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: tendonitis on April 21, 2011, 06:44:40 PM
what a clusterfuck
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 21, 2011, 06:45:47 PM
This dude?

(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/jasonellis.jpg)


This dude

(http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/Jason-James-Ellis_200.jpg)
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on April 21, 2011, 06:46:40 PM
Love is love.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 21, 2011, 06:50:27 PM
Love is love.

I agree ,they got married leave the guy alone.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 21, 2011, 06:56:21 PM
I agree ,they got married leave the guy alone.

You mean until they have a fight, break up and she gets revenge by bringing charges saying she was forced to get married "or else"?
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tom on April 21, 2011, 07:01:33 PM
so grown man violates girl under age and we're not talking about to turn 18 tomorrow we're talking when she was 14 and 15 years old and then when she turns 18, he realized "damn i loved her when she was illegal and underage and now that she's an adult by law" and marries her.

so he fell in lust and love with a underage girl and violated her when he was grown man basically, what a guy!

what does that say about her though? sorry to say, she must haved like it, then and now!

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: jwb on April 21, 2011, 07:07:35 PM
I knew a guy who was 21 who was fucking a 14 year old rich private school girl... she was no little kid she totally brain fucked him too.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 21, 2011, 07:08:51 PM
You mean until they have a fight, break up and she gets revenge by bringing charges saying she was forced to get married "or else"?

Whatever , He didn't rape her it was consensual now they are married, let's move on.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 21, 2011, 07:17:23 PM
I knew a guy who was 21 who was fucking a 14 year old rich private school girl... she was no little kid she totally brain fucked him too.

Huge difference between a 6 year difference and a 21 year difference ESPECIALLY being that young. I'm 10 years older than my wife but I guaranty if she was 15 and I was 25 her father would have beat the shit of me then called the cops!
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: jwb on April 22, 2011, 02:13:58 AM
Huge difference between a 6 year difference and a 21 year difference ESPECIALLY being that young. I'm 10 years older than my wife but I guaranty if she was 15 and I was 25 her father would have beat the shit of me then called the cops!
I agree I thought he was crazy seeing her.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: io856 on April 22, 2011, 02:50:19 AM
I knew a guy who was 21 who was fucking a 14 year old rich private school girl... she was no little kid she totally brain fucked him too.
???
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: WillGrant on April 22, 2011, 04:07:36 AM


what does that say about her though? sorry to say, she must haved like it, then and now!


Of course she liked it - Some of these young teen girls are alot more advanced than society wants to admit..sure he should of known better (by law) but whats the bet she was no virgin - pull ya heads out ya arses FFS - ::)
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: pellius on April 22, 2011, 04:43:26 AM
Amazing how many still don't know what a pedophile is. When you expand the definition to more than what it is meant to be and what it actually is you diminish the real crime and sickness that true pedophilia is.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Ron on April 22, 2011, 06:55:14 AM
"There may be a problem in the case, considered that Jason Ellis MARRIED the girl in February."
wow, sounds like your defending the actions of a pedophile. nice :-X

You are kidding - Jason Ellis should of gone to jail a long time ago.  This guy and his 'ex-fiancee' manipulated this 14 year old girl at the time (he was 32 then), hiding everything over the 'promise' of being famous.  All crap.  She was 14, he was 32.  He knew better.

The PROBLEM is that he married her now. She is refusing to testify, which makes the case a lot harder for the prosecution.  

I have a 7 year old daughter.  If this sick fuck did this to my daughter, or my daughter's friends, this guy would not be allowed anywhere near the industry.  I still wonder why magazines or people use this guy now.

As for me or my friends - we have NOTHING to do with this guy, nor want to talk to him.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: hmontaq on April 22, 2011, 08:04:15 AM
This dude?

(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/jasonellis.jpg)


LMAO The only Jason Ellis I know! RED DRAGONS!!!
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: old_lifter on April 22, 2011, 08:35:25 AM
You are kidding - Jason Ellis should of gone to jail a long time ago.  This guy and his 'ex-fiancee' manipulated this 14 year old girl at the time (he was 32 then), hiding everything over the 'promise' of being famous.  All crap.  She was 14, he was 32.  He knew better.

The PROBLEM is that he married her now. She is refusing to testify, which makes the case a lot harder for the prosecution.  

I have a 7 year old daughter.  If this sick fuck did this to my daughter, or my daughter's friends, this guy would not be allowed anywhere near the industry.  I still wonder why magazines or people use this guy now.

As for me or my friends - we have NOTHING to do with this guy, nor want to talk to him.

my apologies, the way you capitalized and highlighted marries made it seem as though you were siding with jason.

as for people saying the girl loved it, this has nothing to do with the girl but a grown man twice her age who knows better and by most peoples definition is a slimy pedo
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: maxkane69 on April 22, 2011, 08:50:56 AM
Whatever , He didn't rape her it was consensual now they are married, let's move on.
I completely agree with Che!
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Ron on April 22, 2011, 11:55:51 AM
Whatever , He didn't rape her it was consensual now they are married, let's move on.

Really - not forced ceorcsion....

Look, you are 14, I am 32.... I can get you on the covers, I can make you a star, I can make you be all that you can be... and more....  I am the king on my throne... all you need to do is listen to me... let me show you the way...

My assistant will help you get into the position, just do it, and you will be a star.

If she was 18, it would be one thing... but she was a minor.... 14.    HUGE difference.   Consent - a 14 year old can consent like that.  Can she vote? Can she sign a contract? Come on...  

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 22, 2011, 11:59:59 AM

Look, you are 14, I am 32.... I can get you on the covers, I can make you a star, I can make you be all that you can be... and more....  I am the king on my throne... all you need to do is listen to me... let me show you the way...

My assistant will help you get into the position, just do it, and you will be a star.
  

How do you know what he said , were you there Ron?

                                                                                   
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: The True Adonis on April 22, 2011, 12:30:52 PM
Should not have even been a crime in the first place. 
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 22, 2011, 12:34:41 PM
Should not have even been a crime in the first place. 
Adonis is a very intelligent man.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Ron on April 22, 2011, 01:09:16 PM
How do you know what he said , were you there Ron?                                                                                   

Don't be stupid - she was 14 years old.  End of story. 
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 22, 2011, 01:18:24 PM
Don't be stupid - she was 14 years old.  End of story.  

First of  all she was 15 yr/o not 14 , second  you don't know what happened because you weren't there
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: tommywishbone on April 22, 2011, 01:41:39 PM
Dude was 32 and he was bangin' a 14 year old. Dude should kill himself.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: pellius on April 22, 2011, 02:41:17 PM
Don't be stupid - she was 14 years old.  End of story. 

I think what he did was wrong but I think you underestimate the sexual sophistication of teenagers. I onced tutored a 13 year old in math at her home and she literally did a strip tease and dared me to bang her. I was 29 at the time.

We live in different times, my friend.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 22, 2011, 02:47:59 PM
I think what he did was wrong but I think you underestimate the sexual sophistication of teenagers. I onced tutored a 13 year old in math at her home and she literally did a strip tease and dared me to bang her. I was 29 at the time.

We live in different times, my friend.
Exactly
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Master Blaster on April 22, 2011, 02:56:39 PM
Really - not forced ceorcsion....

Look, you are 14, I am 32.... I can get you on the covers, I can make you a star, I can make you be all that you can be... and more....  I am the king on my throne... all you need to do is listen to me... let me show you the way...

My assistant will help you get into the position, just do it, and you will be a star.

If she was 18, it would be one thing... but she was a minor.... 14.    HUGE difference.   Consent - a 14 year old can consent like that.  Can she vote? Can she sign a contract? Come on...  



Sounds like you have given this some thought.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: pellius on April 22, 2011, 03:28:11 PM
One can make the argument that the dude's a low life but the idea of sending someone to prison for consensual sex doesn't seem right. And I don't buy the notion that a post pubertal teenager cannot give consent. Have you forgotten how it was when you turned 13 yrs. old? 
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: saucetradomous on April 22, 2011, 03:32:04 PM
Don't be stupid - she was 14 years old.  End of story. 

Yes because 14/15 yr olds are all stupid!




Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Ron on April 22, 2011, 03:33:36 PM
Sounds like you have given this some thought.

Yes, I had some friends who were not smart and got into this before - when they are out of high school, and just into college.  Some chose to stay away from this, a few got into the trap.  Quite a few people have their own stories.  Hey, Hollywood has its own people that take advantage of others.


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I think what he did was wrong but I think you underestimate the sexual sophistication of teenagers. I onced tutored a 13 year old in math at her home and she literally did a strip tease and dared me to bang her. I was 29 at the time. We live in different times, my friend.


No, we live in modern times.  We know what is right and what is wrong here in the US. 

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 22, 2011, 03:42:27 PM
Tell TA, by last statement seems he has no clue on what's right or wrong.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Master Blaster on April 22, 2011, 03:45:24 PM
Tell TA, by last statement seems he has no clue on what's right or wrong.

but he knows all about creme fraiche loganberry fruit compote
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: pellius on April 22, 2011, 03:52:51 PM


No, we live in modern times.  We know what is right and what is wrong here in the US. 



But we shouldn't conflate morality with legality. Telling a lie, committing adultery, most would consider wrong but I certainly wouldn't want to make them illegal and put people in prison for that.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 22, 2011, 04:40:46 PM

 No, we live in modern times.  We know what is right and what is wrong here in the US. 


If a 16 and 18 year old have consensual physical relations is the 18 year old still a Pedophile?   ::)
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 22, 2011, 04:46:34 PM
Yes!
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2011, 04:50:51 PM
Huge difference between a 6 year difference and a 21 year difference ESPECIALLY being that young. I'm 10 years older than my wife but I guaranty if she was 15 and I was 25 her father would have beat the shit of me then called the cops!

Yeah, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't have married you at 15.

Would I like it if it were my daughter... No... but I also know that 15 year old girls like to have sex... You don't have to talk them into it... When I was 15, everyone was fucking and no one had to convince anyone to "do it".

15 year olds are not fucking retarded... They know what they are doing.

Is the dude a shitbag? Yes... of course he is.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 22, 2011, 04:54:19 PM
LOL...doesn't matter what she likes to do, if a 15yo comes on to you, you freaking say no and run the other way. Simple as that!
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 22, 2011, 04:57:02 PM
Yes!

When I was 16  I fucked a 21 yr/o Mexican  chick  ,  bitch was a pedophile and I didn't know ,should I call the cops  ,Coach ?
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2011, 05:01:23 PM
LOL...doesn't matter what she likes to do, if a 15yo comes on to you, you freaking say no and run the other way. Simple as that!

I agree, but I don't know if I can truly say that he committed some heinous crime... He didn't rape the girl and he didn't have to "persuade" her... She wanted his dick.

He should have totally ran the other way... and for that, he is definitely disgusting, but I don't know if I could in good conscience say he was "criminal".
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 22, 2011, 05:07:01 PM
I agree, but I don't know if I can truly say that he committed some heinous crime... He didn't rape the girl and he didn't have to "persuade" her... She wanted his dick.

He should have totally ran the other way... and for that, he is definitely disgusting, but I don't know if I could in good conscience say he was "criminal".

My Italian grandpa was 38 years old when he married my grandma( she was 15 ) , they had 13 kids , was my grandpa a pedophile   ???
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: tu_holmes on April 22, 2011, 05:12:15 PM
My Italian grandpa was 38 years old when he married my grandma( she was 15 ) , they had 13 kids , was my grandpa a pedophile   ???

Again... I didn't say anyone was a pedophile... I do not think it's normal in today's age, but I don't think it's criminal.

15 year olds know what's going on.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: WillGrant on April 22, 2011, 05:43:55 PM
I agree, but I don't know if I can truly say that he committed some heinous crime... He didn't rape the girl and he didn't have to "persuade" her... She wanted his dick.

He should have totally ran the other way... and for that, he is definitely disgusting, but I don't know if I could in good conscience say he was "criminal".
This
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: RUDE BUOY on April 22, 2011, 05:46:01 PM
no hey this is the face of a normal man if i ever seen one i mean look at the total normality in the eyes yanno?


just sayen
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: tommywishbone on April 22, 2011, 06:24:40 PM
My Italian grandpa was 38 years old when he married my grandma( she was 15 ) , they had 13 kids , was my grandpa a pedophile   ???

What type of conversation could a 38 yr old man possibly have with a 15 yr old girl?  Wait, they had 13 kids- she was only around for one purpose.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: WillGrant on April 22, 2011, 06:45:24 PM
What type of conversation could a 38 yr old man possibly have with a 15 yr old girl?  Wait, they had 13 kids- she was only around for one purpose.
Yes - sex is good  :D
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on April 22, 2011, 07:00:37 PM
Dear Joe, having my post deleted does not make it any less true.

Clowney
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 22, 2011, 07:05:13 PM
Dear Joe, having my post deleted does not make it any less true.

Clowney

What the hell are you talking about, I didn't have anything removed.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on April 22, 2011, 07:06:20 PM
Some overzealous moderating going on in this thread.  *looks over shoulder for Princess L
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 22, 2011, 07:14:14 PM
What type of conversation could a 38 yr old man possibly have with a 15 yr old girl?  Wait, they had 13 kids- she was only around for one purpose.

No talking just fucking, he had to make his investment worthwhile ,she cost him two goats and a pig.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: newmom on April 22, 2011, 07:20:24 PM
let me ask you fellas this question..

most are yapping he was in it for sex and bla bla..

Now if You were the father of that 15 year old girl, would it be "okay" then? I certainly hope you boys don't condone a 38 year old man preying on this 15 year old (irrelevant if you think she knew the deal or not)
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: The True Adonis on April 22, 2011, 07:23:41 PM
let me ask you fellas this question..

most are yapping he was in it for sex and bla bla..

Now if You were the father of that 15 year old girl, would it be "okay" then? I certainly hope you boys don't condone a 38 year old man preying on this 15 year old (irrelevant if you think she knew the deal or not)
I`d be perfectly fine with it, especially if the suitor exhibits an established pedigree. 
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 22, 2011, 07:25:44 PM
let me ask you fellas this question..

most are yapping he was in it for sex and bla bla..

Now if You were the father of that 15 year old girl, would it be "okay" then? I certainly hope you boys don't condone a 38 year old man preying on this 15 year old (irrelevant if you think she knew the deal or not)
My 15 years old daughter wouldn't go to a photo shoot (with a stranger)   by herself ,I hope this helps ,  I wouldn't even let my wife  go by herself.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 22, 2011, 07:27:06 PM
I`d be perfectly fine with it, especially if the suitor exhibits an established pedigree. 

Adonis check this out http://www.leighpeele.com/body-fat-pictures-and-percentages
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: newmom on April 22, 2011, 07:28:37 PM
My 15 years old daughter wouldn't go to a photo shoot (with a stranger)   by herself ,I hope this helps ,  I wouldn't even let my wife  go by herself.


and someone catches what I mean...
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: WillGrant on April 22, 2011, 08:05:38 PM
No talking just fucking, he had to make his investment worthwhile ,she cost him two goats and a pig.
Fair trade  :D
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 22, 2011, 08:31:33 PM
Fair trade  :D

Haha, fucking bargain.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: The True Adonis on April 22, 2011, 08:38:54 PM
Adonis check this out http://www.leighpeele.com/body-fat-pictures-and-percentages
I can`t tell you how many times I have seen my pictures used to hawk products and websites.  I even saw my picture in the New York Times.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 22, 2011, 08:42:05 PM
And we all know how credible the NY Times is!
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 22, 2011, 08:44:25 PM
I can`t tell you how many times I have seen my pictures used to hawk products and websites.  I even saw my picture in the New York Times.

Oh well.
If they want to use THE WHITE SERGE NUBRET  to promote their products they should pay for it, I think you need a manager Adonis.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 22, 2011, 08:49:11 PM
Hahahahahahahahaha! Che, your lips must be chaped from kissing TA's lazy ass.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Mr Nobody on April 23, 2011, 01:43:09 PM
Ptps
X2 wonder if she shaves?
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: chadstallion on April 23, 2011, 03:23:23 PM
no hey this is the face of a normal man if i ever seen one i mean look at the total normality in the eyes yanno?


just sayen
i'd do him.
 ;)
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Disgusted on April 23, 2011, 03:50:00 PM
let me ask you fellas this question..

most are yapping he was in it for sex and bla bla..

Now if You were the father of that 15 year old girl, would it be "okay" then? I certainly hope you boys don't condone a 38 year old man preying on this 15 year old (irrelevant if you think she knew the deal or not)

I'm surprised it took someone this long to ask this question. Anyway, no I wouldn't want my 15 year old daughter having sex with a 38 yr old man and I also wouldn't want my 18 yr old daughter gang banging  three guys at once just because she "legally" can. But if I had to chose I would rather find out my 17 year old daughter was having sex with a 30 year old man she loved than being 18 and having sex with many partners. These two are married so let it be. Not saying it was right, but who's to say they are or aren't in love.

When I was a senior in high school during the last week of school there was this kid who at the time was either 17 or 18. Anyway, he went missing during the last week of school and so did the married 26 year old math teacher. Well these two fell in love and that was the last I heard until about a year ago I found out that they are still together well after 20 years. Guess you just never know.  
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: tommywishbone on April 23, 2011, 04:56:58 PM
Any, I repeat ANY 32 year old man that fucks a 14 yr old girl needs to kill himself. To make it even worst, this Jason freak now says he loves her?? What an absolute pervert. Her dad should have him kidnapped and tortured.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: newmom on April 23, 2011, 04:59:18 PM
Any, I repeat ANY 32 year old man that fucks a 14 yr old girl needs to kill himself. To make it even worst, this Jason freak now says he loves her?? What an absolute pervert. Her dad or mom  should have him kidnapped and tortured.

I'd rip his fucking sack off
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: tommywishbone on April 23, 2011, 05:01:25 PM
I'd rip his fucking sack off

Word to ya mother on that.   Invite the pervert to dinner, get pervert drunk, cut off his nuts, tell the police he attacked you. You would get an award from the Mayor.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: newmom on April 23, 2011, 05:14:20 PM
Word to ya mother on that.   

LMAO hello 1987
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: The True Adonis on April 23, 2011, 05:15:40 PM
Any, I repeat ANY 32 year old man that fucks a 14 yr old girl needs to kill himself. To make it even worst, this Jason freak now says he loves her?? What an absolute pervert. Her dad should have him kidnapped and tortured.
Yah, thats really civilized behavior.  ::)

At least you revealed yourself as being a total sociopath devoid of any logic or understanding.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: tommywishbone on April 23, 2011, 05:18:43 PM
LMAO hello 1987

Worked with Rob Vanwinkle aka Vanilla Ice in 2004. Nicest, easiest going cat in the entire show. Remembered everyone's name, always said hello. Signed as many autographs as you wanted.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: tommywishbone on April 23, 2011, 05:19:54 PM
Yah, thats really civilized behavior.  ::)

At least you revealed yourself as being a total sociopath devoid of any logic or understanding.

That's not a very nice way to speak to me. I challenge you to a dual.

Obviously her dad ain't gonna kidnapped the pervert and torture him. My statement is hyperbole. If daddy did decide to grow a set and torture & kill the freak- he would do 3-4 years for manslaughter and come of of the joint a hero.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: RUDE BUOY on April 23, 2011, 05:20:01 PM
IF YAH DONT KNOW YOU BETTA ASK SUMBODAY
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: TK on April 23, 2011, 08:26:06 PM

This scumbag made the Los Angeles Times today -

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-rape-marriage-20110423,0,655333.story



The criminal charges were disturbing: A Newport Beach fitness photographer in his 30s carried on a months-long sexual relationship with a 15-year-old girl after promising to help her modeling career.

Aiding him, prosecutors said, was the photographer's fiancee, who allegedly gained the trust of the girl's mother before delivering the teenager to photographer Jason James Ellis so they could spend time alone together.

Nearly three years later, as the statutory rape trial draws near, the case has taken a bizarre turn, with Ellis marrying his alleged victim three months after she turned 18.

The alleged victim has stopped cooperating, dealing a blow to the prosecution's case. Last month, the Orange County district attorney's office dropped all charges against Ellis' former fiancee, Michelle Hecker, announcing that it could not proceed without the help of the teen's testimony.

Nevertheless, prosecutors say they have enough evidence to push ahead with a trial of Ellis, 36, who has pleaded not guilty. The photographer, who bills himself as the "King of Covers" and shoots bodybuilders and other fitness models, faces up to seven years in prison if convicted of charges including lewd acts on a child and unlawful sexual intercourse.

The case underscores the unusual challenge prosecutors face if alleged victims and perpetrators wed.

Husbands and wives can refuse to testify against a spouse, but the privilege does not apply in criminal cases in which the spouse is the victim. Legal experts said lawmakers added exceptions to the privilege to prevent offenders from effectively derailing prosecutions by marrying their victims.

Complicating the case is the fact that California law prohibits courts from jailing sexual assault victims if they refuse to testify against their alleged assailants. But the law does not apply to victims in statutory rape cases, leaving prosecutors with a difficult decision in the case against Ellis, said Laurie Levenson, a Loyola Law School professor and former federal prosecutor.

"What you don't want is to look like you're beating up the victim. I don't think that a jury would like that very much," Levenson said. "But there may not be much to lose.... If the answer is that they had sex, that's the end of the case."

The alleged victim could not be reached for comment. The Times generally does not name victims of sex crimes.

Authorities say the girl's mother introduced her daughter to Hecker in 2006 at a Laguna Hills equestrian center. The mother asked Hecker to be a mentor to the girl, and Hecker encouraged the teen to consider modeling. She introduced the girl to Ellis in early 2007, according to court records.

That June, the girl's mother signed a contract with Hecker and Ellis allowing her daughter to work for the couple in return for Ellis taking modeling photographs of the teen. In November 2007, Hecker, Ellis, the girl and her mother took a trip to Paris together.

Around the same time, an estranged aunt of the teen called Newport Beach police and said she was troubled by how much time her niece was spending with Ellis and Hecker, according to testimony by a detective at the couple's preliminary hearing.

Newport Beach Police Det. Penny Freeman said investigators checked the couple's criminal history, found no record and felt they did not have enough information to follow up with the girl or her mother. Still concerned, the aunt approached a private investigator, who watched the girl for a week in June 2008.

The investigator's surveillance video showed Hecker picking the alleged victim up from school, dropping her off at Ellis' Newport Beach apartment or at the Fashion Island mall, where she would be greeted by Ellis, Freeman testified. One video showed the girl and Ellis eating lunch at a mall restaurant, kissing on the lips and touching affectionately, he said.

The private investigator, Thomas Martin, took the girl and her mother into the Newport Beach Police Department with the evidence he had collected.

Freeman described Ellis as manipulative and said the girl was naive and in love.

"I truly believe that [the girl] loves him," the detective said in an interview this week. "I don't know if it's a genuine relationship the other way around."

The girl told police that Hecker encouraged her to have a relationship with Ellis, according to Freeman's testimony. The teen said she had sex with Ellis, sometimes while Hecker was in the same apartment working on the computer or cooking dinner for the three of them, according to Freeman.

Ellis and Hecker were arrested in July 2008. When police searched Ellis' home, Freeman testified, they found two framed photos of the girl on his bed stand.

Shortly after the arrests, the alleged victim received a text message from Hecker's cellphone signed "J," the initial of Ellis' first name, according to Freeman's testimony. The message asked the girl whether her mother would consent to her marrying at 16.

Ellis' attorney, Ronald G. Brower, did not returns calls seeking comment. Hecker's attorney said his client had no knowledge of a sexual relationship between Ellis and the girl, and he accused the teen's mother of manipulating her daughter to implicate Hecker.

"She felt stupid and betrayed because she didn't see it herself," said Hecker's lawyer, Randy Collins.

The girl's mother did not return a message requesting comment.

In December, Robert VanHoy, an attorney representing the alleged victim, successfully asked an Orange County judge to lift a protective order preventing Ellis from having contact with the girl, who had turned 18 two weeks earlier. On Feb. 28, the couple wed in Laguna Hills, according to a copy of the marriage certificate.

VanHoy did not return calls seeking comment.

Orange County Deputy Dist. Atty. Drew Haughton said the alleged victim stopped cooperating after hiring her attorney. He described the teenager as the "linchpin" of the case against Hecker but said the prosecution of Ellis would continue.

"Whether they're married or not today," Haughton said, "it doesn't affect substantial evidence that there was an inappropriate sexual relationship between the defendant and a 15-year-old."

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: old_lifter on April 23, 2011, 09:04:39 PM
My Italian grandpa was 38 years old when he married my grandma( she was 15 ) , they had 13 kids , was my grandpa a pedophile   ???

uh ya!!! he was
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tre on April 24, 2011, 05:57:00 AM

This Jason guy is just trying to prove to everyone that he's not a total fag. (not that there's anything wrong with being one, of course) But even a statutory rape charge won't help him shake the bisexual label, which still means 'fag', something else he's obviously insecure about.

This is clearly a parenting failure, though.  The girl's father should've handled it 3 years ago. 
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Spicy Shushi on April 24, 2011, 06:23:50 AM
this sick fuck should be hung up by his balls and beaten like the fruity pebble pinata he is
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Rhomboids on April 24, 2011, 07:05:56 AM
How do you know what he said , were you there Ron?

                                                                                   

Dude step back and read what you're typing.  You are defending a guy that tricked an underage girl into having sex with him.  The age difference, whether you think is right, is too great and most importantly ILLEGAL.  What you are saying sounds like youd have no problem doing this yourself seeing as you don't see it as being wrong.  I'd have no problem doing life in jail if an asshole did this to my kid.  Even if my kid were in love with them. 

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 24, 2011, 07:43:27 AM
Dude step back and read what you're typing.  You are defending a guy that tricked an underage girl into having sex with him.  The age difference, whether you think is right, is too great and most importantly ILLEGAL.  What you are saying sounds like youd have no problem doing this yourself seeing as you don't see it as being wrong.  I'd have no problem doing life in jail if an asshole did this to my kid.  Even if my kid were in love with them.  

How do you know he tricked her  ??? , Have you ever heard of a 15 year old ,smoking pot,snorting coke and having sex with half of the football team?  If you have sex with a 15 year old in he US you are a pedophile but if you  do  the same in Italy, Iceland, China...........etc . you are not ?

BTW 2 years ago the Canadian legal consent age was 14yo, now they raised to 16 yo.

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Rhomboids on April 24, 2011, 08:50:43 AM
Again dude, you lack a basic understanding of 1) the Law, 2) Morals.  If you're over 30, or even over 20, and you slip down to sub 16, so long as thats illegal where you live, youre fucked up.  It doesn't matter if that said underage girl has done every drug in the book or fucked 350 guys.  The bottom line is that 1) its illegal, 2) you'd still be a complete piece of shit for taking advantage. 

If you think these girls are 'mature' because they've lived hard, you are an imbecile.  I watch as much porn as anyone else, so i'm no prude, but this is a very black and white case.  I hope you're just busting balls trying to look different posting here. 
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 24, 2011, 08:53:42 AM
How do you know he tricked her  ??? , Have you ever heard of a 15 year old ,smoking pot,snorting coke and having sex with half of the football team?  If you have sex with a 15 year old in he US you are a pedophile but if you  do  the same in Italy, Iceland, China...........etc . you are not ?

BTW 2 years ago the Canadian legal consent age was 14yo, now they raised to 16 yo.



Hate to bring politics into this, but those are liberal countries where almost anything is acceptable. Why do think in this country most liberals would find this acceptable and conservatives (most) would find this deplorable. Take a look at this thread for example, TA, you and others that think there's nothing wrong with this.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tre on April 24, 2011, 09:47:27 AM

Mom and dad raised a fag-loving whore. 

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 24, 2011, 10:32:06 AM
Again dude, you lack a basic understanding of 1) the Law, 2) Morals.  If you're over 30, or even over 20, and you slip down to sub 16, so long as thats illegal where you live, youre fucked up.  It doesn't matter if that said underage girl has done every drug in the book or fucked 350 guys.  The bottom line is that 1) its illegal, 2) you'd still be a complete piece of shit for taking advantage. 

If you think these girls are 'mature' because they've lived hard, you are an imbecile.  I watch as much porn as anyone else, so i'm no prude, but this is a very black and white case.  I hope you're just busting balls trying to look different posting here. 

You are a brainwashed  idiot   ,I hope this helps.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 24, 2011, 10:33:15 AM
Hate to bring politics into this, but those are liberal countries where almost anything is acceptable. Why do think in this country most liberals would find this acceptable and conservatives (most) would find this deplorable. Take a look at this thread for example, TA, you and others that think there's nothing wrong with this.
Name some non-liberal countries, Coach.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: kmhphoto on April 24, 2011, 11:26:58 AM
Name some non-liberal countries, Coach.

Saudi Arabia?
Iran?
Iraq?
Israel?
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: kmhphoto on April 24, 2011, 11:37:49 AM

Shortly after the arrests, the alleged victim received a text message from Hecker's cellphone signed "J," the initial of Ellis' first name, according to Freeman's testimony. The message asked the girl whether her mother would consent to her marrying at 16.


Looks like he may have been hoping to avoid prosecution by marrying her at 16.

" If either of you is under eighteen (18) years of age, you will need to make an appointment with a counselor, appear before a superior court judge, show certified copies of your birth certificates, and have one parent appear with you when you apply for the marriage license."

He knew exactly what he was doing when he "groomed" her so I hope the law is harsher in the US than it was over here in the UK recently.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1360514/Turon-Ali-groomed-girl-14-escapes-prison-Judge-says-hes-real-paedophile.html
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 24, 2011, 01:59:55 PM
Saudi Arabia?
Iran?
Iraq?
Israel?


Haha exactly.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: GroinkTropin on April 24, 2011, 03:19:58 PM

 

No, we live in modern times.  We know what is right and what is wrong here in the US. 



In modern times girls are married off at 12 in other countries and here in the US, 25% of 11 year olds have already had sex.

14-15 is considered experienced "in modern times" in many places.

Why do you think the push for barely legal porn? The age of consent should DEFINITELY be 16 nationwide and go from there. By 18 many girls are complete whores and have slept with 15 16 guys. Not kids, GROWN MEN- it's nothing to hear of a 16 year old banging 25 year old men so come on.

And FWIW, a 32 year old banging a 14 year old does sound very strange and definitely a case of manipulation. I would stand behind him being tried and sentenced for statutory rape.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: 240 is Back on April 24, 2011, 03:21:55 PM
what a swell guy.  he'll be popular in the joint.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tre on April 24, 2011, 03:37:43 PM
I would stand behind him being tried and sentenced for statutory rape.

It was an inappropriate relationship, but there's no way to prove statutory rape without video. 

So, find the tape.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 24, 2011, 03:49:01 PM
Exactly what Che? US isn't a liberal country but the "progressives" are doing their best to screw that up!
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Army of One on April 24, 2011, 03:49:06 PM
This kind of shit is hardly unusual, when I was 21 I was dating and banging a 16yr old, legal in the uk, her friend was 15 and was dating a guy who was 27, like has been said it happens.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 24, 2011, 04:09:45 PM
Exactly what Che? US isn't a liberal country but the "progressives" are doing their best to screw that up!
Name some non-liberal countries other than the US, Coach.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 24, 2011, 04:44:47 PM
LOL...you're the one who brought up other countries, I could care less about what other countries do, this happend here.....10miles from my home, dude used to train at my gym.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Jadeveon Clowney on April 24, 2011, 04:45:41 PM
LOL...you're the one who brought up other countries, I could care less about what other countries do, this happend here.....10miles from my home, dude used to train at my gym.

SOmeone posted a picture of you in the throwing darts thread.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Firemuscle on April 24, 2011, 04:46:39 PM
LOL...doesn't matter what she likes to do, if a 15yo comes on to you, you freaking say no and run the other way. Simple as that!

 Yeah right. I'm sure  ::)
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 24, 2011, 04:52:39 PM
Can't see it on a phone but I'm sure its something negetive. Tools will be tools.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Army of One on April 24, 2011, 04:54:31 PM
Yeah right. I'm sure  ::)

Guys like Coach are hilarious, they can't admit to themselves that men naturally find good looking teenagers sexually attractive,and if the law allowed and there was no social stigma that they would be getting chosen over 35 year old women 10 times out of 10 by men of any age.Now I agree there's a moral argument to it, but most of the time the people getting most pissed about this type of thing are either A) old men, who are jealous of guys who can still attract younger women and they can't  b) older women who are jealous of the younger hotter women while they don't get a second look and are angry at the man for not finding them attractive or c) the fathers of the girls, which I can understand.But I agree it's safer for all parties involved to draw the line somewhere but the penalties shouldn't be so hard to those who break these laws.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 24, 2011, 05:01:49 PM
Dude, the last thing I would think of would be a 15yo in a sexual way, just because a kid is good looking doesn't mean you sexually lust after them. If someone has those thoughts or can't refrain, have yourself checked!
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Army of One on April 24, 2011, 05:11:14 PM
Dude, the last thing I would think of would be a 15yo in a sexual way, just because a kid is good looking doesn't mean you sexually lust after them. If someone has those thoughts or can't refrain, have yourself checked!

It's the emotional maturity that the law takes in to account, it's perfectly natural biology for a man of any age to find a female who is of the age to have children attractive.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 24, 2011, 05:15:46 PM
You're talking about two different things, just because a 15yo is attractive doesn't mean someone should be or automatically sexually attracted. Walk onto a public HS sometime and see the way these girls dress, you can't tell them from a 21yo. Their parents should be held accountable.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Army of One on April 24, 2011, 05:22:40 PM
You're talking about two different things, just because a 15yo is attractive doesn't mean someone should be or automatically sexually attracted. Walk onto a public HS sometime and see the way these girls dress, you can't tell them from a 21yo. Their parents should be held accountable.

It's called jailbait for a reason Coach, guys do find them sexually attractive, assuming facial symmetry, hip to waist ratio etc is in correct order, but the social consequences are too severe for much further consideration.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 24, 2011, 05:28:08 PM
Oh I totally get that.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: MB on April 24, 2011, 06:47:36 PM
Guys like Coach are hilarious, they can't admit to themselves that men naturally find good looking teenagers sexually attractive,and if the law allowed and there was no social stigma that they would be getting chosen over 35 year old women 10 times out of 10 by men of any age.Now I agree there's a moral argument to it, but most of the time the people getting most pissed about this type of thing are either A) old men, who are jealous of guys who can still attract younger women and they can't  b) older women who are jealous of the younger hotter women while they don't get a second look and are angry at the man for not finding them attractive or c) the fathers of the girls, which I can understand.But I agree it's safer for all parties involved to draw the line somewhere but the penalties shouldn't be so hard to those who break these laws.

I agree with this. 
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: GroinkTropin on April 24, 2011, 07:11:37 PM
You're talking about two different things, just because a 15yo is attractive doesn't mean someone should be or automatically sexually attracted. Walk onto a public HS sometime and see the way these girls dress, you can't tell them from a 21yo. Their parents should be held accountable.

Wait- so I, as a male, am supposed to force myself NOT to be attracted to the opposite sex which is, by your own admission, attractive??

What kind of conservative bullshit is this?

"Wow look at that girl- NO WAIT SHE IS NOT YET OF LEGAL AGE, AVERT THE EYES!!!! GRADMA TAKING A SHOWER!! GRANDMA TAKING A SHOWER!!!"

Get a clue dude. Sexual attraction is what it is, and younger girls are attractive. This may not be legal, but neither are the steroids you have abused, so get over it.

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: TacoBell on April 24, 2011, 07:12:18 PM
Wow, mods hard at work on a sunday night
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 24, 2011, 08:11:57 PM
Wait- so I, as a male, am supposed to force myself NOT to be attracted to the opposite sex which is, by your own admission, attractive??

What kind of conservative bullshit is this?

"Wow look at that girl- NO WAIT SHE IS NOT YET OF LEGAL AGE, AVERT THE EYES!!!! GRADMA TAKING A SHOWER!! GRANDMA TAKING A SHOWER!!!"

Get a clue dude. Sexual attraction is what it is, and younger girls are attractive. This may not be legal, but neither are the steroids you have abused, so get over it.



I didn't say that nor did I imply that. As someone in your thirties such as Ellis, you force yourself and resist that SEXUAL urge to have sex with a 15 year old. It's a matter right and wrong. And saying "what kind of conservative bullshit is this?" proves exactly what I was telling Che.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: FREAKgeek on April 25, 2011, 06:31:50 PM
Any, I repeat ANY 32 year old man that fucks a 14 yr old girl needs to kill himself. To make it even worst, this Jason freak now says he loves her?? What an absolute pervert. Her dad should have him kidnapped and tortured.

X2

He married her to help avoid prosecution.

Ever talk with a 14 yr old? They are still kids. It basically means you are a plain loser and can't get women.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 25, 2011, 06:47:36 PM
X2

He married her to help avoid prosecution.

Ever talk with a 14 yr old? They are still kids. It basically means you are a plain loser and can't get women.

 ::)
She was 15yr/o almost 16 not 14
Not all 15 years old are the same ,some 15yr/o  never kissed a boy ,some 15 yr/old  already have sucked more cock than QueenVissy ,Bay and Bob Chick  combined,  IHTH.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 25, 2011, 06:51:17 PM
::)
She was 15yr/o almost 16 not 14
Not all 15 years old are the same ,some 15yr/o  never kissed a boy ,some 15 yr/old  already have sucked more cock than QueenVissy ,Bay and Bob Chick  combined,  IHTH.

Yeah, some 15 year olds are more mature than other and chances are the ones that are whores were the ones who more than likely came from f**ked up families, but the fact remains is that THEY ARE STILL 15 YEARS OLD!!!
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Benito Mutumbo on April 25, 2011, 07:25:44 PM
What have we learned from this thread?

A sweep of Che's hard drive would probably land him in jail for 20 years.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 25, 2011, 07:41:37 PM
What have we learned from this thread?

A sweep of Che's hard drive would probably land him in jail for 20 years.

I'll be out in less than 10 years for good conduct.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: pellius on April 25, 2011, 10:42:23 PM
I don't think anyone is disputing that the guy is a low life but  I find somewhat curious is how quickly some are to infantilize this girl. As if she was completely oblivious and utterly helpless to what was going on. She passively and seemingly without awareness went out on the town with this guy, made out with him, continued to see him apparently utterly unable to resist being drawn out of her house and go to photographic and dating excursions.

Have you all forgotten how you were when you were fifteen?  Hell, at 15 I was already writing rambling anti-government manifestos and plotting the over throw of the regrettable Carter campaign. And teens are far more sophisticated now than in my day. How do we know that it wasn't the girl doing a bit of manipulating herself? If she could seduce him in hopes of landing a sweet modeling contract? What young, attractive, generation nothingness teen wouldn't want to cash in on her beauty without having to resort to porn. Beats working for a living.

Always portraying the girl as the helpless victim does little to help with the current sad state of affairs. What ever happen to women "empowerment"?
I guess that's all well and good and and men and women are equals -- except when it doesn't suit them. That's must be why at work I have to be the one to take out the trash to the hallways for the janitors to pick up.

Sure a girl wearing a mini skirt, acting provocative and all the stuff doesn't mean a guy has the right to act on his desires. In an ideal world we are all civilized. But what is lost is this concept I was instilled with regarding the notion of asking for trouble. If I leave a wad of cash on my car seat with my windows open it doesn't give anyone the right to take it. But I shouldn't cry to my mama if they do. A girl gallivanting around with some guy is asking for trouble. But my guess is that she was hardly unaware of what she was doing. Maybe some of you were that stupid as a teen but I sure as hell wasn't.

The guy is a low life, the girl's father, assuming she even had one, is an emasculated pussy (the rule rather than the exception nowadays), and she was far from the innocent, unaware, little helpless victim.

I guess she also is helpless in getting married to this scum bag.

And, BTW, some of you clueless morons need to learn what an actual pedophile is. Throwing that term around so loosely diminishes and cheapens what is truly an evil act.

I remember my mom advising my two sisters on how to handle men with less than pure intentions. "Gouge out their eyes. It's easier and more effective than kicking them in the balls." And dear mommy didn't even need the women's empowerment movement to teach her that because that's what her mother taught her and on and on.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tom on April 26, 2011, 06:24:18 AM
the guy is trash and the girl is either stupid or horny trash, or just very mature mentally for her age? wonder how hot she actually is? i mean was it worth it? is it true love?

even if she wanted it, any girl i know that is under 18 is about as mentally mature as a rock? they don't know what they want from one minute to the next, hell, even grown women are like that!

she probably wanted a pony around then too?!

and maybe it's just me, but i have never seen a young woman under 18 that is hot to me, i mean there are girls, i want a WOMAN!

there is a huge difference! the question i have is: what kind of messed up inner circle world that bodybuilding and fitness is that those in that field (bodybuilders, male and female fitness models,etc) still hang with this guy, still want to work with him and turn the other cheek as it were to this guy?!

it's not like he's a weider who could make or break your career! and i'm sure there are plenty of other talented photogs in that industry as well, so what does it say about the whole bodybuilding/fitness world, yeah, i know " what hasn't been said already!"

whether she wanted it and seduced him he was still considered the "adult" in our society and laws and should have known better and done better, that's just the way MOST people think at least in our u.s. society, and the fact that he was sneaking around creepily doing this makes it that much worse.

i give the "marriage' long enough for the ink to dry and when the statute of limitations end with no chance he could be incarcerated.

oh, the thought of holidays with the family and birthdays and anniversaries! basically i'm guessing she has dumped her entire family forever for ellis?!

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Army of One on April 26, 2011, 06:32:26 AM


and maybe it's just me, but i have never seen a young woman under 18 that is hot to me,

Come on, why do some guys always come out with this bullshit, so youve never seen a hot 17yr old?There isnt a man on earth who hasnt seen a hot 17yr old, unless gay.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 26, 2011, 06:33:02 AM
I don't think anyone is disputing that the guy is a low life but  I find somewhat curious is how quickly some are to infantilize this girl. As if she was completely oblivious and utterly helpless to what was going on. She passively and seemingly without awareness went out on the town with this guy, made out with him, continued to see him apparently utterly unable to resist being drawn out of her house and go to photographic and dating excursions.

Have you all forgotten how you were when you were fifteen? I was already at 14 trying to get girls drunk or high in the hope of scoring some poon. Hell, at 15 I was already writing rambling anti-government manifestos and plotting the over throw of the regrettable Carter campaign. And teens are far more sophisticated now than in my day. How do we know that it wasn't the girl doing a bit of manipulating herself? If she could seduce him in hopes of landing a sweet modeling contract? What young, attractive, generation nothingness teen wouldn't want to cash in on her beauty without having to resort to porn. Beats working for a living.

Always portraying the girl as the helpless victim does little to help with the current sad state of affairs. What ever happen to women "empowerment"?
I guess that's all well and good and and men and women are equals -- except when it doesn't suit them. That's must be why at work I have to be the one to take out the trash to the hallways for the janitors to pick up.

Sure a girl wearing a mini skirt, acting provocative and all the stuff doesn't mean a guy has the right to act on his desires. In an ideal world we are all civilized. But what is lost is this concept I was instilled with regarding the notion of asking for trouble. If I leave a wad of cash on my car seat with my windows open it doesn't give anyone the right to take it. But I shouldn't cry to my mama if they do. A girl gallivanting around with some guy is asking for trouble. But my guess is that she was hardly unaware of what she was doing. Maybe some of you were that stupid as a teen but I sure as hell wasn't.

The guy is a low life, the girl's father, assuming she even had one, is an emasculated pussy (the rule rather than the exception nowadays), and she was far from the innocent, unaware, little helpless victim.

I guess she also is helpless in getting married to this scum bag.

And, BTW, some of you clueless morons need to learn what an actual pedophile is. Throwing that term around so loosely diminishes and cheapens what is truly an evil act.

I remember my mom advising my two sisters on how to handle men with less than pure intentions. "Gouge out their eyes. It's easier and more effective than kicking them in the balls." And dear mommy didn't even need the women's empowerment movement to teach her that because that's what her mother taught her and on and on.


Someone's got street-smart , Thank you Pellius .
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: w8m8 on April 26, 2011, 06:35:52 AM
reminiscent of Mary Kay Letourneau and her 13 yr old lover ( now husband ) Vili Faulaau
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 26, 2011, 06:38:21 AM
Come on, why do some guys always come out with this bullshit, so youve never seen a hot 17yr old?There isnt a man on earth who hasnt seen a hot 17yr old, unless gay.

BINGO
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tom on April 26, 2011, 06:41:18 AM
armyof one: well, one thing i'm not trolling the malls and high schools for girls who are "hot" under 18 for one thing! and two if i happen to see a bunch of under 18 girls, i have the morality and maturity NOT to want to do that, just listening to them i couldn't stand their innate stupidity much less want it to go any further! and  and lastly, any 18 and under girl i've seen might have a cute pretty face, but the body? sorry but i prefer a actually WOMAN with curves, not a boyish or overweight chubby teen which 95 % of teens seem to fall into those 2 categories!
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tom on April 26, 2011, 06:46:47 AM
oh and i forgot to mention in regard to ellis and this girl, he was messing around with her when she was 14/15! that is sick! oh wait some of you are now going to say " what you never seen a hot 14/15 year old girl who is not only hot, but a great body, whose horny and sexually mature and knows what she wants and wants it"! hell, why not go younger " go for a hot 10 year old"!!
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tre on April 26, 2011, 07:12:51 AM
And, BTW, some of you clueless morons need to learn what an actual pedophile is.

Why don't you enlighten the readers here?
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 26, 2011, 07:22:39 AM
Why don't you enlighten the readers here?

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/5-year-old-delray-beach-girl-molested-man-225375.html

vs 


http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/debra_lafave/1_index.html
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: OTHstrong on April 26, 2011, 07:38:08 AM
Not that it matters, but if anyone here defended this guy while they were doing time in any jail on the planet, they would get busted up so bad then put in pc. Even the incarcerated low lifes have more standards then some of you guys.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 26, 2011, 07:43:12 AM
Not that it matters, but if anyone here defended this guy while they were doing time in any jail on the planet, they would get busted up so bad then put in pc. Even the incarcerated low lifes have more standards then some of you guys.

 ::)

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: McFarland on April 26, 2011, 08:30:03 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celine_Dion#Personal_life
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tre on April 26, 2011, 12:15:17 PM
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/5-year-old-delray-beach-girl-molested-man-225375.html

vs 


http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/debra_lafave/1_index.html
One pedophile is male, the other is female.

Was there another point you wished to make?
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: GroinkTropin on April 26, 2011, 01:31:46 PM
Not that it matters, but if anyone here defended this guy while they were doing time in any jail on the planet, they would get busted up so bad then put in pc. Even the incarcerated low lifes have more standards then some of you guys.

This is idiotic.

Firstly you have no proof. No basis for assumption.

Secondly it's PEDOPHILES that inmates hate. Say you molested a 7 year old and you are toast. You are drawing a conclusion from that assertion that 7 year olds and 15 year olds are seen in the same light?

You do realize 90% of prison inmates are black or mexican right? How old were the first girls they were banging?

Walk around some slums and notice all of the 14 year old girls with TWO KIDS and then think about what you are saying.

9/10 grown men will fuck a 15 year old if they have half a chance. SOME will not go lower than 16/17 but to be frank, if you do not agree with this, you are lying or not being honest with yourself over your true sexuality.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: pellius on April 26, 2011, 03:02:25 PM
This is idiotic.

Firstly you have no proof. No basis for assumption.

Secondly it's PEDOPHILES that inmates hate. Say you molested a 7 year old and you are toast. You are drawing a conclusion from that assertion that 7 year olds and 15 year olds are seen in the same light?

You do realize 90% of prison inmates are black or mexican right? How old were the first girls they were banging?

Walk around some slums and notice all of the 14 year old girls with TWO KIDS and then think about what you are saying.

9/10 grown men will fuck a 15 year old if they have half a chance. SOME will not go lower than 16/17 but to be frank, if you do not agree with this, you are lying or not being honest with yourself over your true sexuality.

EXACTLY!!!!

I'm surprised and even disturbed that this even needs to be explained.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 26, 2011, 03:04:48 PM
16 years old

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Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: jwb on April 26, 2011, 03:22:29 PM
I think if you are an adult and you are seeing some girl still in High School than you got a big problem.

Once they finish High School then it is open season imo...
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: OTHstrong on April 26, 2011, 03:33:34 PM
This is idiotic.

Firstly you have no proof. No basis for assumption.

Secondly it's PEDOPHILES that inmates hate. Say you molested a 7 year old and you are toast. You are drawing a conclusion from that assertion that 7 year olds and 15 year olds are seen in the same light?

You do realize 90% of prison inmates are black or mexican right? How old were the first girls they were banging?

Walk around some slums and notice all of the 14 year old girls with TWO KIDS and then think about what you are saying.

9/10 grown men will fuck a 15 year old if they have half a chance. SOME will not go lower than 16/17 but to be frank, if you do not agree with this, you are lying or not being honest with yourself over your true sexuality.
first of all, banging a 14 year old does not make you a pedo nor does it put you remotely close to someone that touches children. What I am saying is that a 14 year old has an under developed brain has not matured to its fullest and if someone who has been an adult for longer then the girl has been alive, well we arent talking an even playing field, not only shamefull, but shows low class at the least and in my books they are scum, and yes they would get destroyed in jail
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: GroinkTropin on April 26, 2011, 03:50:19 PM
first of all, banging a 14 year old does not make you a pedo nor does it put you remotely close to someone that touches children. What I am saying is that a 14 year old has an under developed brain has not matured to its fullest and if someone who has been an adult for longer then the girl has been alive, well we arent talking an even playing field, not only shamefull, but shows low class at the least and in my books they are scum, and yes they would get destroyed in jail

I think you are mistaken here. A 30 something year old with a 14 year old, ok that is pretty damn bad.

But in all honesty, if the girl got involved willingly, it's just as much her fault as the guy.

Since when does a fucking birthday signal maturity and vice versa?

I have a niece who is 16 and has the brain of a 12 year old. She's never even really dated.

I have met a few girls who were VERY immature into their 20's.

And I have a half-cousin (whatever she is, on my step dads side of the family) who had 3 kids by the time she was 16. Not kidding! She had twins by the time she was 14, then had her daughter at 16.

Point is, by your logic age is a reliable indicator of maturity and it is NOT sir.

A 17 year old girl is not "prey" until the magic night she turns 18.

I am not trying to justify men's lust for younger girls, simply pointing out the flaws in your thinking.

And the biggest gap I ever had was a 16 year old I semi-dated when I was 22. I couldn't stand to be around her, though I was attracted to her, and it went nowhere. Now I am 30 and I swear I meet girls who are 19 20 and they seem like kids to me. So, I can see where you are coming from in that you are not attracted to teenage girls, and I agree with you.

But back to the point, I would not automatically categorize an older guy with a younger girl as a pervert, many other factors would need to come into consideration.

If it means anything to you, in many other developed countries you see teenage girls with much older guys and no one bats an eyelash. Seems you are basing morality on law and I disagree with that.

Do you also find steroids to be "wrong"? And how about smoking pot? Just curious..
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tre on April 26, 2011, 03:55:11 PM
first of all, banging a 14 year old does not make you a pedo nor does it put you remotely close to someone that touches children.

What's the magic number then?

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 26, 2011, 04:26:47 PM
I think you are mistaken here. A 30 something year old with a 14 year old, ok that is pretty damn bad.

But in all honesty, if the girl got involved willingly, it's just as much her fault as the guy.

Since when does a fucking birthday signal maturity and vice versa?

I have a niece who is 16 and has the brain of a 12 year old. She's never even really dated.

I have met a few girls who were VERY immature into their 20's.

And I have a half-cousin (whatever she is, on my step dads side of the family) who had 3 kids by the time she was 16. Not kidding! She had twins by the time she was 14, then had her daughter at 16.

Point is, by your logic age is a reliable indicator of maturity and it is NOT sir.

A 17 year old girl is not "prey" until the magic night she turns 18.

I am not trying to justify men's lust for younger girls, simply pointing out the flaws in your thinking.

And the biggest gap I ever had was a 16 year old I semi-dated when I was 22. I couldn't stand to be around her, though I was attracted to her, and it went nowhere. Now I am 30 and I swear I meet girls who are 19 20 and they seem like kids to me. So, I can see where you are coming from in that you are not attracted to teenage girls, and I agree with you.

But back to the point, I would not automatically categorize an older guy with a younger girl as a pervert, many other factors would need to come into consideration.

If it means anything to you, in many other developed countries you see teenage girls with much older guys and no one bats an eyelash. Seems you are basing morality on law and I disagree with that.

Do you also find steroids to be "wrong"? And how about smoking pot? Just curious..
Excellent post.

This is how it should be
-The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14–15 year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination. In this rare and special case, a conviction on an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense in and of itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 14, although provisions protecting minors against coercion apply until the age of 18.

-The age of consent in Bulgaria is 14, as specified by Articles 149 and 151 (1). However Article 151(2) has a provision for those who are over 14 and do "not understand the characteristics or the importance of the act."

-The age of consent in Spain is 13, as specified by the Spanish Penal Code, Article 181(2). However, if deceit is used in gaining the consent of a minor under 16 years an individual can be charged under Article 183(1) upon parental complaint.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: che on April 26, 2011, 04:36:50 PM
16 years old

(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=253959.0;attach=295007;image)




Sorry guys the girl is  17 yr/o  not 16, my bad.




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Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: pellius on April 26, 2011, 04:50:57 PM
first of all, banging a 14 year old does not make you a pedo nor does it put you remotely close to someone that touches children. What I am saying is that a 14 year old has an under developed brain has not matured to its fullest and if someone who has been an adult for longer then the girl has been alive, well we arent talking an even playing field, not only shamefull, but shows low class at the least and in my books they are scum, and yes they would get destroyed in jail

Yes, they are low lifes but you keep talking about what will go on in prison? How do you know? It is well known that a pedo will be shown no mercy but I had a good friend that did time for banging a 13 year old (he was 27). It started when he woke up one night to find her giving him a blow job. Yeah, who should have just got up and run away. We should all be so pure. Had no problems in prison and in fact many inside, just like some that knew him and the girl in real life, including me, felt he got reamed.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: pellius on April 26, 2011, 04:57:08 PM
What's the magic number then?



Goddamn, you're not that bright are you? I'll spell it out for you.

A Pedophile preys of PREPUBESCENT CHILDREN!!!!!!!

Is that clear enough or do I have to explain what prepubescent is? There is no magic number. Children hit puberty at various ages. My sister-in-law didn't get her first period until she was 16. My niece got hers just before her 13th birthday. You know these things can be looked up?
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: OTHstrong on April 26, 2011, 07:00:36 PM
Goddamn, you're not that bright are you? I'll spell it out for you.

A Pedophile preys of PREPUBESCENT CHILDREN!!!!!!!

Is that clear enough or do I have to explain what prepubescent is? There is no magic number. Children hit puberty at various ages. My sister-in-law didn't get her first period until she was 16. My niece got hers just before her 13th birthday. You know these things can be looked up?

This is correct, I agree, that's why I'm not indicating in any way that the guy is a pedo, despicable tactics that's all. MM` age is not a good indicator for maturity, but how many 14 years olds are as mature as 30 year olds. If you have 100 fathers that found out their daughters were hanging out with a 30 year old man 98 of them would friggen lose it, that's a pretty good indication that somethings wrong. this isn't an argument you guys are clearly in the minority and yes public opinion would hang this guy. Not the type of crime that would warrant a serious penalty 2 years and up, but nevertheless a conviction is justifiable
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: GroinkTropin on April 26, 2011, 07:49:29 PM
This is correct, I agree, that's why I'm not indicating in any way that the guy is a pedo, despicable tactics that's all. MM` age is not a good indicator for maturity, but how many 14 years olds are as mature as 30 year olds. If you have 100 fathers that found out their daughters were hanging out with a 30 year old man 98 of them would friggen lose it, that's a pretty good indication that somethings wrong. this isn't an argument you guys are clearly in the minority and yes public opinion would hang this guy. Not the type of crime that would warrant a serious penalty 2 years and up, but nevertheless a conviction is justifiable

Couple glaring mistakes here- Firstly it is plainly obvious a 14 year old is not going to be as mature as a 30 year old but that is not the debate in the first place. The debate is a 14 year old girl mature enough for sex? Well, the answer is yes and no, some will be and some will not be. AGE in this case is just an aside, it tells a small piece of the story but certainly not the entire story. It alludes that something might be up, and is worth looking into, but it should not be damning evidence on it's own.

If you told 100 fathers a 20 year old was hanging with his 14 year old daughter 99/100 would lose it. Hell a FIFTEEN year old same thing. Fact is fathers are NEVER ok with the idea that another man will be shoving his penis inside his daughters love hole and that is just the way it is. I know some girls are having sex as young as 11, do you think if they are getting banged by a 13 year old the fathers in question will be ok with it? Fuck let's make the girl 17 and the guy 19 you think her father will be honkey dorey with the idea? Faulty logic yet again.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tre on April 26, 2011, 08:23:09 PM
You can try to rationalize his behavior all you want, but the guy is a pedo.

Being a pedo isn't a crime, but he chose to act on his pedophilia by engaging in an unduly familiar relationship with a girl not yet 15.

The reality, however, is that nothing which rises to the level of statutory rape can be proven and if the only photographic evidence is of a girl sitting on a man's lap, then the state has to let this case go.

That does not mean the public has to, however.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: GroinkTropin on April 26, 2011, 08:42:04 PM
Ellis is no pedo

The day he fondles a PRE-PUBESCENT girl then he will be, but not until that day.

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Coach is Back! on April 26, 2011, 09:41:50 PM
Normally I agree with you Pellis, but argument wouldn't hold up in a court of law.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: WillGrant on April 26, 2011, 09:45:18 PM
Ellis is no pedo

The day he fondles a PRE-PUBESCENT girl then he will be, but not until that day.


This - he is no worse than female BB's that turn themselves into men and think they are beautiful..
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Parker on April 26, 2011, 09:48:57 PM
You can try to rationalize his behavior all you want, but the guy is a pedo.

Being a pedo isn't a crime, but he chose to act on his pedophilia by engaging in an unduly familiar relationship with a girl not yet 15.

The reality, however, is that nothing which rises to the level of statutory rape can be proven and if the only photographic evidence is of a girl sitting on a man's lap, then the state has to let this case go.

That does not mean the public has to, however.
Dude likes his women on the young side---but he's no pedo...
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: io856 on April 26, 2011, 11:42:14 PM
girls and women have fathers and mothers

respect?
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: pellius on April 27, 2011, 02:30:53 AM
Normally I agree with you Pellis, but argument wouldn't hold up in a court of law.

Not sure I follow. If you are talking about the difference between statutory rape and pedophilia, though both illegal, pedophilia carries a much harsher sentence -- as it should.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tre on April 27, 2011, 06:22:47 AM
Not sure I follow. If you are talking about the difference between statutory rape and pedophilia, though both illegal, pedophilia carries a much harsher sentence -- as it should.

No.  You want people convicted for thought crimes?? 

A person is allowed to like whatever they want and can even write and talk about their fantasies involving children of any ages.  But those are not crimes. 

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: pellius on April 27, 2011, 08:56:05 AM
No.  You want people convicted for thought crimes?? 

A person is allowed to like whatever they want and can even write and talk about their fantasies involving children of any ages.  But those are not crimes. 



Once again you are showing to everyone on this thread what a complete moron you are.

I'll try to spell it out for you again. Pedophilia - Sexual attraction to prepubescent child. Pedophilic Behavior - Engaging in sexual acts with a prepubescent child.

If the Feds find child porn on your computer you're going to jail.

"A person is allowed to like whatever they want and can even write and talk about their fantasies involving children of any ages."

Is there something you're not telling us here? Any unresolved issues and sexual attraction to little children you've had to deal wtih in your life? Is that why you are trying so desperately trying to equate sex with a 15 year old to sex with, say, a six year old?

Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: Tre on April 27, 2011, 10:16:29 AM
Once again you are showing to everyone on this thread what a complete moron you are.

I'll try to spell it out for you again. Pedophilia - Sexual attraction to prepubescent child. Pedophilic Behavior - Engaging in sexual acts with a prepubescent child.

If the Feds find child porn on your computer you're going to jail.

"A person is allowed to like whatever they want and can even write and talk about their fantasies involving children of any ages."

Is there something you're not telling us here? Any unresolved issues and sexual attraction to little children you've had to deal wtih in your life? Is that why you are trying so desperately trying to equate sex with a 15 year old to sex with, say, a six year old?

You're the one who started splitting hairs and then claimed that 'pedophilia' should be a crime which carried a harsher sentence than statutory rape.  Your words, Tiger.

The fact that there are differing degrees of offense - age 14 vs age 6 - doesn't mean there was no crime.  I said that the state could not *prove* anything, but also that the public does not have to meet any legal standard in deciding how to characterize a guy who is known to a portion of the public.  Viewers/readers/whoever have the right to brand him as a pedophile, regardless of what the legal system says, and people have the right to discriminate against him on that basis.  



Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: The Abdominal Snoman on April 27, 2011, 12:59:35 PM
3 Philadelphia officers, 12 others charged in steroid bust
By Marina Landis, CNN
April 27, 2011 3:43 p.m. EDT


STORY HIGHLIGHTS
Police detective charged with distributing steroids, HGH nationally
Man picked up some shipments at UPS, indictment says
(CNN) -- Three members of the Philadelphia police department and 12 others are being charged with conspiracy to distribute anabolic steroids, U.S. Attorney Zane David Memeger announced Wednesday.
The charges against the defendants, including Philadelphia Police Detective Keith Gidelson, a 14-year department veteran, and fellow police officers Joseph McIntyre and George Sambuca, come after a lengthy investigation by the Philadelphia Police Department's Internal Affairs Anti-Corruption Task Force, the FBI and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration.
"Another dark day for our department, but one that certainly does not reflect the good work that goes on every single day by the men and women of this department," Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles H. Ramsey said. "Unfortunately, we do have some that tarnish the badge and continue to do so and we will very aggressively continue to go after them and get them out of our ranks."
According to the 17-count federal indictment, Gidelson operated an anabolic steroid and human growth hormone distribution organization in Philadelphia and throughout the U.S. It's alleged that he got monthly shipments from foreign suppliers in Europe and China, some from a rented UPS mailbox.
Gidelson and his wife Kirsten allegedly stored and packaged steroids and HGH at their Philadelphia home. The indictment says the couple would meet drug customers, including some of the defendants, at their home and at fitness centers in the Philadelphia area to distribute the drugs. Gidelson also allegedly distributed to customers across the U.S. whom he met through online weightlifting chat rooms.
In a press release, Memeger said, "Police officers swear an oath to uphold the law. When an officer breaks the law, no matter the infraction, he not only violates his oath, he violates the public's trust. This indictment alleges that three officers placed personal gain ahead of their duty to protect and serve."
Ramsey has suspended all three for 30 days with the intent to dismiss.
All 15 defendants are now in custody. Each count charged carries a maximum possible sentence of 10 years imprisonment and $250,000 fine.
Title: Re: Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl
Post by: pellius on April 27, 2011, 01:13:08 PM
You're the one who started splitting hairs and then claimed that 'pedophilia' should be a crime which carried a harsher sentence than statutory rape.  Your words, Tiger.

The fact that there are differing degrees of offense - age 14 vs age 6 - doesn't mean there was no crime.  I said that the state could not *prove* anything, but also that the public does not have to meet any legal standard in deciding how to characterize a guy who is known to a portion of the public.  Viewers/readers/whoever have the right to brand him as a pedophile, regardless of what the legal system says, and people have the right to discriminate against him on that basis.  



Quit putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about what "should" carry a harsher sentence. I did imply that if Ellis had sex with a six year old he would, and should, be treated much more harsher by the law and by the court of public opinion. You don't catch on too quick, do you?

Yes, anybody has the right to brand him as a pedophile. They can brand him as a reptilian hybrid, the return of Jesus Christ or a reincarnated grass hopper.

Please stay away from children.