incredible.
This dude?
(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/jasonellis.jpg)
Love is love.I agree ,they got married leave the guy alone.
I agree ,they got married leave the guy alone.
You mean until they have a fight, break up and she gets revenge by bringing charges saying she was forced to get married "or else"?
I knew a guy who was 21 who was fucking a 14 year old rich private school girl... she was no little kid she totally brain fucked him too.
Huge difference between a 6 year difference and a 21 year difference ESPECIALLY being that young. I'm 10 years older than my wife but I guaranty if she was 15 and I was 25 her father would have beat the shit of me then called the cops!I agree I thought he was crazy seeing her.
I knew a guy who was 21 who was fucking a 14 year old rich private school girl... she was no little kid she totally brain fucked him too.???
Of course she liked it - Some of these young teen girls are alot more advanced than society wants to admit..sure he should of known better (by law) but whats the bet she was no virgin - pull ya heads out ya arses FFS - ::)
what does that say about her though? sorry to say, she must haved like it, then and now!
"There may be a problem in the case, considered that Jason Ellis MARRIED the girl in February."
wow, sounds like your defending the actions of a pedophile. nice :-X
This dude?
(http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/jasonellis.jpg)
You are kidding - Jason Ellis should of gone to jail a long time ago. This guy and his 'ex-fiancee' manipulated this 14 year old girl at the time (he was 32 then), hiding everything over the 'promise' of being famous. All crap. She was 14, he was 32. He knew better.
The PROBLEM is that he married her now. She is refusing to testify, which makes the case a lot harder for the prosecution.
I have a 7 year old daughter. If this sick fuck did this to my daughter, or my daughter's friends, this guy would not be allowed anywhere near the industry. I still wonder why magazines or people use this guy now.
As for me or my friends - we have NOTHING to do with this guy, nor want to talk to him.
Whatever , He didn't rape her it was consensual now they are married, let's move on.I completely agree with Che!
Whatever , He didn't rape her it was consensual now they are married, let's move on.
Look, you are 14, I am 32.... I can get you on the covers, I can make you a star, I can make you be all that you can be... and more.... I am the king on my throne... all you need to do is listen to me... let me show you the way...
My assistant will help you get into the position, just do it, and you will be a star.
Should not have even been a crime in the first place.Adonis is a very intelligent man.
How do you know what he said , were you there Ron?
Don't be stupid - she was 14 years old. End of story.
Don't be stupid - she was 14 years old. End of story.
I think what he did was wrong but I think you underestimate the sexual sophistication of teenagers. I onced tutored a 13 year old in math at her home and she literally did a strip tease and dared me to bang her. I was 29 at the time.Exactly
We live in different times, my friend.
Really - not forced ceorcsion....
Look, you are 14, I am 32.... I can get you on the covers, I can make you a star, I can make you be all that you can be... and more.... I am the king on my throne... all you need to do is listen to me... let me show you the way...
My assistant will help you get into the position, just do it, and you will be a star.
If she was 18, it would be one thing... but she was a minor.... 14. HUGE difference. Consent - a 14 year old can consent like that. Can she vote? Can she sign a contract? Come on...
Don't be stupid - she was 14 years old. End of story.
Sounds like you have given this some thought.
I think what he did was wrong but I think you underestimate the sexual sophistication of teenagers. I onced tutored a 13 year old in math at her home and she literally did a strip tease and dared me to bang her. I was 29 at the time. We live in different times, my friend.
Tell TA, by last statement seems he has no clue on what's right or wrong.
No, we live in modern times. We know what is right and what is wrong here in the US.
No, we live in modern times. We know what is right and what is wrong here in the US.
Huge difference between a 6 year difference and a 21 year difference ESPECIALLY being that young. I'm 10 years older than my wife but I guaranty if she was 15 and I was 25 her father would have beat the shit of me then called the cops!
Yes!
LOL...doesn't matter what she likes to do, if a 15yo comes on to you, you freaking say no and run the other way. Simple as that!
I agree, but I don't know if I can truly say that he committed some heinous crime... He didn't rape the girl and he didn't have to "persuade" her... She wanted his dick.
He should have totally ran the other way... and for that, he is definitely disgusting, but I don't know if I could in good conscience say he was "criminal".
My Italian grandpa was 38 years old when he married my grandma( she was 15 ) , they had 13 kids , was my grandpa a pedophile ???
I agree, but I don't know if I can truly say that he committed some heinous crime... He didn't rape the girl and he didn't have to "persuade" her... She wanted his dick.This
He should have totally ran the other way... and for that, he is definitely disgusting, but I don't know if I could in good conscience say he was "criminal".
My Italian grandpa was 38 years old when he married my grandma( she was 15 ) , they had 13 kids , was my grandpa a pedophile ???
What type of conversation could a 38 yr old man possibly have with a 15 yr old girl? Wait, they had 13 kids- she was only around for one purpose.Yes - sex is good :D
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What type of conversation could a 38 yr old man possibly have with a 15 yr old girl? Wait, they had 13 kids- she was only around for one purpose.
let me ask you fellas this question..I`d be perfectly fine with it, especially if the suitor exhibits an established pedigree.
most are yapping he was in it for sex and bla bla..
Now if You were the father of that 15 year old girl, would it be "okay" then? I certainly hope you boys don't condone a 38 year old man preying on this 15 year old (irrelevant if you think she knew the deal or not)
let me ask you fellas this question..My 15 years old daughter wouldn't go to a photo shoot (with a stranger) by herself ,I hope this helps , I wouldn't even let my wife go by herself.
most are yapping he was in it for sex and bla bla..
Now if You were the father of that 15 year old girl, would it be "okay" then? I certainly hope you boys don't condone a 38 year old man preying on this 15 year old (irrelevant if you think she knew the deal or not)
I`d be perfectly fine with it, especially if the suitor exhibits an established pedigree.
My 15 years old daughter wouldn't go to a photo shoot (with a stranger) by herself ,I hope this helps , I wouldn't even let my wife go by herself.
No talking just fucking, he had to make his investment worthwhile ,she cost him two goats and a pig.Fair trade :D
Fair trade :D
Adonis check this out http://www.leighpeele.com/body-fat-pictures-and-percentagesI can`t tell you how many times I have seen my pictures used to hawk products and websites. I even saw my picture in the New York Times.
I can`t tell you how many times I have seen my pictures used to hawk products and websites. I even saw my picture in the New York Times.If they want to use THE WHITE SERGE NUBRET to promote their products they should pay for it, I think you need a manager Adonis.
Oh well.
PtpsX2 wonder if she shaves?
no hey this is the face of a normal man if i ever seen one i mean look at the total normality in the eyes yanno?i'd do him.
just sayen
let me ask you fellas this question..
most are yapping he was in it for sex and bla bla..
Now if You were the father of that 15 year old girl, would it be "okay" then? I certainly hope you boys don't condone a 38 year old man preying on this 15 year old (irrelevant if you think she knew the deal or not)
Any, I repeat ANY 32 year old man that fucks a 14 yr old girl needs to kill himself. To make it even worst, this Jason freak now says he loves her?? What an absolute pervert. Her dad or mom should have him kidnapped and tortured.
I'd rip his fucking sack off
Word to ya mother on that.
Any, I repeat ANY 32 year old man that fucks a 14 yr old girl needs to kill himself. To make it even worst, this Jason freak now says he loves her?? What an absolute pervert. Her dad should have him kidnapped and tortured.Yah, thats really civilized behavior. ::)
LMAO hello 1987
Yah, thats really civilized behavior. ::)
At least you revealed yourself as being a total sociopath devoid of any logic or understanding.
My Italian grandpa was 38 years old when he married my grandma( she was 15 ) , they had 13 kids , was my grandpa a pedophile ???
How do you know what he said , were you there Ron?
Dude step back and read what you're typing. You are defending a guy that tricked an underage girl into having sex with him. The age difference, whether you think is right, is too great and most importantly ILLEGAL. What you are saying sounds like youd have no problem doing this yourself seeing as you don't see it as being wrong. I'd have no problem doing life in jail if an asshole did this to my kid. Even if my kid were in love with them.
How do you know he tricked her ??? , Have you ever heard of a 15 year old ,smoking pot,snorting coke and having sex with half of the football team? If you have sex with a 15 year old in he US you are a pedophile but if you do the same in Italy, Iceland, China...........etc . you are not ?
BTW 2 years ago the Canadian legal consent age was 14yo, now they raised to 16 yo.
Again dude, you lack a basic understanding of 1) the Law, 2) Morals. If you're over 30, or even over 20, and you slip down to sub 16, so long as thats illegal where you live, youre fucked up. It doesn't matter if that said underage girl has done every drug in the book or fucked 350 guys. The bottom line is that 1) its illegal, 2) you'd still be a complete piece of shit for taking advantage.
If you think these girls are 'mature' because they've lived hard, you are an imbecile. I watch as much porn as anyone else, so i'm no prude, but this is a very black and white case. I hope you're just busting balls trying to look different posting here.
Hate to bring politics into this, but those are liberal countries where almost anything is acceptable. Why do think in this country most liberals would find this acceptable and conservatives (most) would find this deplorable. Take a look at this thread for example, TA, you and others that think there's nothing wrong with this.Name some non-liberal countries, Coach.
Name some non-liberal countries, Coach.
Shortly after the arrests, the alleged victim received a text message from Hecker's cellphone signed "J," the initial of Ellis' first name, according to Freeman's testimony. The message asked the girl whether her mother would consent to her marrying at 16.
Saudi Arabia?
Iran?
Iraq?
Israel?
No, we live in modern times. We know what is right and what is wrong here in the US.
I would stand behind him being tried and sentenced for statutory rape.
Exactly what Che? US isn't a liberal country but the "progressives" are doing their best to screw that up!Name some non-liberal countries other than the US, Coach.
LOL...you're the one who brought up other countries, I could care less about what other countries do, this happend here.....10miles from my home, dude used to train at my gym.
LOL...doesn't matter what she likes to do, if a 15yo comes on to you, you freaking say no and run the other way. Simple as that!
Yeah right. I'm sure ::)
Dude, the last thing I would think of would be a 15yo in a sexual way, just because a kid is good looking doesn't mean you sexually lust after them. If someone has those thoughts or can't refrain, have yourself checked!
You're talking about two different things, just because a 15yo is attractive doesn't mean someone should be or automatically sexually attracted. Walk onto a public HS sometime and see the way these girls dress, you can't tell them from a 21yo. Their parents should be held accountable.
Guys like Coach are hilarious, they can't admit to themselves that men naturally find good looking teenagers sexually attractive,and if the law allowed and there was no social stigma that they would be getting chosen over 35 year old women 10 times out of 10 by men of any age.Now I agree there's a moral argument to it, but most of the time the people getting most pissed about this type of thing are either A) old men, who are jealous of guys who can still attract younger women and they can't b) older women who are jealous of the younger hotter women while they don't get a second look and are angry at the man for not finding them attractive or c) the fathers of the girls, which I can understand.But I agree it's safer for all parties involved to draw the line somewhere but the penalties shouldn't be so hard to those who break these laws.
You're talking about two different things, just because a 15yo is attractive doesn't mean someone should be or automatically sexually attracted. Walk onto a public HS sometime and see the way these girls dress, you can't tell them from a 21yo. Their parents should be held accountable.
Wait- so I, as a male, am supposed to force myself NOT to be attracted to the opposite sex which is, by your own admission, attractive??
What kind of conservative bullshit is this?
"Wow look at that girl- NO WAIT SHE IS NOT YET OF LEGAL AGE, AVERT THE EYES!!!! GRADMA TAKING A SHOWER!! GRANDMA TAKING A SHOWER!!!"
Get a clue dude. Sexual attraction is what it is, and younger girls are attractive. This may not be legal, but neither are the steroids you have abused, so get over it.
Any, I repeat ANY 32 year old man that fucks a 14 yr old girl needs to kill himself. To make it even worst, this Jason freak now says he loves her?? What an absolute pervert. Her dad should have him kidnapped and tortured.
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He married her to help avoid prosecution.
Ever talk with a 14 yr old? They are still kids. It basically means you are a plain loser and can't get women.
::)
She was 15yr/o almost 16 not 14
Not all 15 years old are the same ,some 15yr/o never kissed a boy ,some 15 yr/old already have sucked more cock than QueenVissy ,Bay and Bob Chick combined, IHTH.
What have we learned from this thread?
A sweep of Che's hard drive would probably land him in jail for 20 years.
and maybe it's just me, but i have never seen a young woman under 18 that is hot to me,
I don't think anyone is disputing that the guy is a low life but I find somewhat curious is how quickly some are to infantilize this girl. As if she was completely oblivious and utterly helpless to what was going on. She passively and seemingly without awareness went out on the town with this guy, made out with him, continued to see him apparently utterly unable to resist being drawn out of her house and go to photographic and dating excursions.
Have you all forgotten how you were when you were fifteen? I was already at 14 trying to get girls drunk or high in the hope of scoring some poon. Hell, at 15 I was already writing rambling anti-government manifestos and plotting the over throw of the regrettable Carter campaign. And teens are far more sophisticated now than in my day. How do we know that it wasn't the girl doing a bit of manipulating herself? If she could seduce him in hopes of landing a sweet modeling contract? What young, attractive, generation nothingness teen wouldn't want to cash in on her beauty without having to resort to porn. Beats working for a living.
Always portraying the girl as the helpless victim does little to help with the current sad state of affairs. What ever happen to women "empowerment"?
I guess that's all well and good and and men and women are equals -- except when it doesn't suit them. That's must be why at work I have to be the one to take out the trash to the hallways for the janitors to pick up.
Sure a girl wearing a mini skirt, acting provocative and all the stuff doesn't mean a guy has the right to act on his desires. In an ideal world we are all civilized. But what is lost is this concept I was instilled with regarding the notion of asking for trouble. If I leave a wad of cash on my car seat with my windows open it doesn't give anyone the right to take it. But I shouldn't cry to my mama if they do. A girl gallivanting around with some guy is asking for trouble. But my guess is that she was hardly unaware of what she was doing. Maybe some of you were that stupid as a teen but I sure as hell wasn't.
The guy is a low life, the girl's father, assuming she even had one, is an emasculated pussy (the rule rather than the exception nowadays), and she was far from the innocent, unaware, little helpless victim.
I guess she also is helpless in getting married to this scum bag.
And, BTW, some of you clueless morons need to learn what an actual pedophile is. Throwing that term around so loosely diminishes and cheapens what is truly an evil act.
I remember my mom advising my two sisters on how to handle men with less than pure intentions. "Gouge out their eyes. It's easier and more effective than kicking them in the balls." And dear mommy didn't even need the women's empowerment movement to teach her that because that's what her mother taught her and on and on.
Come on, why do some guys always come out with this bullshit, so youve never seen a hot 17yr old?There isnt a man on earth who hasnt seen a hot 17yr old, unless gay.
And, BTW, some of you clueless morons need to learn what an actual pedophile is.
Why don't you enlighten the readers here?
Not that it matters, but if anyone here defended this guy while they were doing time in any jail on the planet, they would get busted up so bad then put in pc. Even the incarcerated low lifes have more standards then some of you guys.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/5-year-old-delray-beach-girl-molested-man-225375.htmlOne pedophile is male, the other is female.
vs
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/debra_lafave/1_index.html
Not that it matters, but if anyone here defended this guy while they were doing time in any jail on the planet, they would get busted up so bad then put in pc. Even the incarcerated low lifes have more standards then some of you guys.
This is idiotic.
Firstly you have no proof. No basis for assumption.
Secondly it's PEDOPHILES that inmates hate. Say you molested a 7 year old and you are toast. You are drawing a conclusion from that assertion that 7 year olds and 15 year olds are seen in the same light?
You do realize 90% of prison inmates are black or mexican right? How old were the first girls they were banging?
Walk around some slums and notice all of the 14 year old girls with TWO KIDS and then think about what you are saying.
9/10 grown men will fuck a 15 year old if they have half a chance. SOME will not go lower than 16/17 but to be frank, if you do not agree with this, you are lying or not being honest with yourself over your true sexuality.
This is idiotic.first of all, banging a 14 year old does not make you a pedo nor does it put you remotely close to someone that touches children. What I am saying is that a 14 year old has an under developed brain has not matured to its fullest and if someone who has been an adult for longer then the girl has been alive, well we arent talking an even playing field, not only shamefull, but shows low class at the least and in my books they are scum, and yes they would get destroyed in jail
Firstly you have no proof. No basis for assumption.
Secondly it's PEDOPHILES that inmates hate. Say you molested a 7 year old and you are toast. You are drawing a conclusion from that assertion that 7 year olds and 15 year olds are seen in the same light?
You do realize 90% of prison inmates are black or mexican right? How old were the first girls they were banging?
Walk around some slums and notice all of the 14 year old girls with TWO KIDS and then think about what you are saying.
9/10 grown men will fuck a 15 year old if they have half a chance. SOME will not go lower than 16/17 but to be frank, if you do not agree with this, you are lying or not being honest with yourself over your true sexuality.
first of all, banging a 14 year old does not make you a pedo nor does it put you remotely close to someone that touches children. What I am saying is that a 14 year old has an under developed brain has not matured to its fullest and if someone who has been an adult for longer then the girl has been alive, well we arent talking an even playing field, not only shamefull, but shows low class at the least and in my books they are scum, and yes they would get destroyed in jail
first of all, banging a 14 year old does not make you a pedo nor does it put you remotely close to someone that touches children.
I think you are mistaken here. A 30 something year old with a 14 year old, ok that is pretty damn bad.Excellent post.
But in all honesty, if the girl got involved willingly, it's just as much her fault as the guy.
Since when does a fucking birthday signal maturity and vice versa?
I have a niece who is 16 and has the brain of a 12 year old. She's never even really dated.
I have met a few girls who were VERY immature into their 20's.
And I have a half-cousin (whatever she is, on my step dads side of the family) who had 3 kids by the time she was 16. Not kidding! She had twins by the time she was 14, then had her daughter at 16.
Point is, by your logic age is a reliable indicator of maturity and it is NOT sir.
A 17 year old girl is not "prey" until the magic night she turns 18.
I am not trying to justify men's lust for younger girls, simply pointing out the flaws in your thinking.
And the biggest gap I ever had was a 16 year old I semi-dated when I was 22. I couldn't stand to be around her, though I was attracted to her, and it went nowhere. Now I am 30 and I swear I meet girls who are 19 20 and they seem like kids to me. So, I can see where you are coming from in that you are not attracted to teenage girls, and I agree with you.
But back to the point, I would not automatically categorize an older guy with a younger girl as a pervert, many other factors would need to come into consideration.
If it means anything to you, in many other developed countries you see teenage girls with much older guys and no one bats an eyelash. Seems you are basing morality on law and I disagree with that.
Do you also find steroids to be "wrong"? And how about smoking pot? Just curious..
16 years old
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first of all, banging a 14 year old does not make you a pedo nor does it put you remotely close to someone that touches children. What I am saying is that a 14 year old has an under developed brain has not matured to its fullest and if someone who has been an adult for longer then the girl has been alive, well we arent talking an even playing field, not only shamefull, but shows low class at the least and in my books they are scum, and yes they would get destroyed in jail
What's the magic number then?
Goddamn, you're not that bright are you? I'll spell it out for you.This is correct, I agree, that's why I'm not indicating in any way that the guy is a pedo, despicable tactics that's all. MM` age is not a good indicator for maturity, but how many 14 years olds are as mature as 30 year olds. If you have 100 fathers that found out their daughters were hanging out with a 30 year old man 98 of them would friggen lose it, that's a pretty good indication that somethings wrong. this isn't an argument you guys are clearly in the minority and yes public opinion would hang this guy. Not the type of crime that would warrant a serious penalty 2 years and up, but nevertheless a conviction is justifiable
A Pedophile preys of PREPUBESCENT CHILDREN!!!!!!!
Is that clear enough or do I have to explain what prepubescent is? There is no magic number. Children hit puberty at various ages. My sister-in-law didn't get her first period until she was 16. My niece got hers just before her 13th birthday. You know these things can be looked up?
This is correct, I agree, that's why I'm not indicating in any way that the guy is a pedo, despicable tactics that's all. MM` age is not a good indicator for maturity, but how many 14 years olds are as mature as 30 year olds. If you have 100 fathers that found out their daughters were hanging out with a 30 year old man 98 of them would friggen lose it, that's a pretty good indication that somethings wrong. this isn't an argument you guys are clearly in the minority and yes public opinion would hang this guy. Not the type of crime that would warrant a serious penalty 2 years and up, but nevertheless a conviction is justifiable
Ellis is no pedoThis - he is no worse than female BB's that turn themselves into men and think they are beautiful..
The day he fondles a PRE-PUBESCENT girl then he will be, but not until that day.
You can try to rationalize his behavior all you want, but the guy is a pedo.Dude likes his women on the young side---but he's no pedo...
Being a pedo isn't a crime, but he chose to act on his pedophilia by engaging in an unduly familiar relationship with a girl not yet 15.
The reality, however, is that nothing which rises to the level of statutory rape can be proven and if the only photographic evidence is of a girl sitting on a man's lap, then the state has to let this case go.
That does not mean the public has to, however.
Normally I agree with you Pellis, but argument wouldn't hold up in a court of law.
Not sure I follow. If you are talking about the difference between statutory rape and pedophilia, though both illegal, pedophilia carries a much harsher sentence -- as it should.
No. You want people convicted for thought crimes??
A person is allowed to like whatever they want and can even write and talk about their fantasies involving children of any ages. But those are not crimes.
Once again you are showing to everyone on this thread what a complete moron you are.
I'll try to spell it out for you again. Pedophilia - Sexual attraction to prepubescent child. Pedophilic Behavior - Engaging in sexual acts with a prepubescent child.
If the Feds find child porn on your computer you're going to jail.
"A person is allowed to like whatever they want and can even write and talk about their fantasies involving children of any ages."
Is there something you're not telling us here? Any unresolved issues and sexual attraction to little children you've had to deal wtih in your life? Is that why you are trying so desperately trying to equate sex with a 15 year old to sex with, say, a six year old?
You're the one who started splitting hairs and then claimed that 'pedophilia' should be a crime which carried a harsher sentence than statutory rape. Your words, Tiger.
The fact that there are differing degrees of offense - age 14 vs age 6 - doesn't mean there was no crime. I said that the state could not *prove* anything, but also that the public does not have to meet any legal standard in deciding how to characterize a guy who is known to a portion of the public. Viewers/readers/whoever have the right to brand him as a pedophile, regardless of what the legal system says, and people have the right to discriminate against him on that basis.