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Now, how odd is that? You can have a board in which the President can be bashed, but don't bash the heads of the IFBB, and definitely don't bash the top man of the NPC or his son... And "we" the followers of this "sport" talk about legitimacy, accountability? Well, if the top people view themselves as untouchable--- how can thing truly be legit...
The President of the United States gets dumped on everyday, from every country, yet the people who run this sport and are responsible for the quality control cannot be questioned or criticized--- especially on bbings most read, most critical site... the irony...
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come on bro, this shit is not cool, how will Ron cope without his backstage passes?
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Now, how odd is that? You can have a board in which the President can be bashed, but don't bash the heads of the IFBB, and definitely don't bash the top man of the NPC or his son...
And "we" the followers of this "sport" talk about legitimacy, accountability? Well, if the top people view themselves as untouchable---how can thing truly be legit...
The Presidnet of the United States gets dumped on everyday, from every country, yet the people who run this sport and are responsible for the quality control cannot be questioned or criticized---especially on bbings most read, most critical site...the irony...
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What is it you would like to know?
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What is it you would like to know?
What is it you are willing to tell?
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Did somebody get time-outed?
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What is it you would like to know?
why do so many people with good quality physiques give up in the IFBB/NPC citing favoritism within the sport, where not necessary the best physique on stage wins
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why do so many people with good quality physiques give up in the IFBB/NPC citing favoritism within the sport, where not necessary the best physique on stage wins
Lets face it...no one except the winner is satisfied with the results....and even here after a show, you cant get the majority of the people to agree on who was better. Not to mention the majority of fans are looking at the show after the fact, through pics and video....not the same as being there.
People that lose are always looking at other reasons as to why they werent the winner....certainly couldnt be THEM, right?
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Lets face it...no one except the winner is satisfied with the results....and even here after a show, you cant get the majority of the people to agree on who was better. Not to mention the majority of fans are looking at the show after the fact, through pics and video....not the same as being there.
People that lose are always looking at other reasons as to why they werent the winner....certainly couldnt be THEM, right?
so you're making the "they're all bitter" claim. I thought you might do that.
Out of all the people who compete with excellent physiques and then claim that politics have played a part in the judging, what percentage do you think have some basis to make that assertion? 60-70%?
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Now, how odd is that? You can have a board in which the President can be bashed, but don't bash the heads of the IFBB, and definitely don't bash the top man of the NPC or his son...
And "we" the followers of this "sport" talk about legitimacy, accountability? Well, if the top people view themselves as untouchable---how can thing truly be legit...
The Presidnet of the United States gets dumped on everyday, from every country, yet the people who run this sport and are responsible for the quality control cannot be questioned or criticized---especially on bbings most read, most critical site...the irony...
Park park,
We've gone over this before. You know Ron will suffer the consequences if the reputations of these so-called industry heads become tarnished on this site.
If these guys make it a point to go after Ron, they will work their magic in trying to blackball him from all NPC and IFBB events. Ron enjoys this sport and the picture-taking that comes with it.
If anyone here starts to call the head of the NPC, judges or even the top guys in the IFBB by derogatory names (Be it true or not), they could very well make the appropriate calls and have Ron banned from those events.
It's a business Park park, a sad business at that..
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so you're making the "they're all bitter" claim. I thought you might do that.
Out of all the people who compete with excellent physiques and then claim that politics have played a part in the judging, what percentage do you think have some basis to make that assertion? 60-70%?
They're not ALL bitter...but some are. And it's tough for athletes that have put so much time, effort and money into a show, to believe that perhaps...they just werent good enough. Even tougher for the significant others to deal with reality most times....they're emotionally invested...judges arent.
The percentage of competitors that THINK they got "screwed, etc" might me 60-70%....In reality, it's a rarity.
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If you look at that Greek guy, Mike K, and Branch, you see in their outlines, the same type of physique---T-Rex... But, that is where the resemblance ends. Mike is heads and shoulders better than Branch, yet Branch wins the Arnold, and with zero back detail, he looks like a fried T-Rex...but that is another deal
we cannot outrightly criticize the head of the NPC and how he has allowed the quality to dwindle in the ranks, yet his son can make comicbooks and use fitness competitors for them...who funds such projects? And can these funds be rerouted to towards other projects... We can't criticize the powers that be on here, or Ron will be punished...
You know, when car rags where ragging on Mercedes Benz lack of quality, did Mercedes say, "we are not going to listen to you, no more test cars for you"? No, they step up their quality, offered more cars to be tested...well, the NPC/IFBB needs to step up and understand that they too can be questioned, criticized, etc.
That air of untouchability of, you can only bash or critique the competitors needs to go.
We can sit here and say Phil Heath looks bloofy but we can't say that _____ looks like Chaz Bono. We can't criticize policies or Ron gets punished---booolshit...
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Now, how odd is that? You can have a board in which the President can be bashed, but don't bash the heads of the IFBB, and definitely don't bash the top man of the NPC or his son...
And "we" the followers of this "sport" talk about legitimacy, accountability? Well, if the top people view themselves as untouchable---how can thing truly be legit...
The Presidnet of the United States gets dumped on everyday, from every country, yet the people who run this sport and are responsible for the quality control cannot be questioned or criticized---especially on bbings most read, most critical site...the irony...
The you need to my posts a little closer....I bash both because they equally suck.
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This is rons house, you dont like the rules dont come in ;D
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If you look at that Greek guy, Mike K, and Branch, you see in their outlines, the same type of physique---T-Rex... But, that is where the resemblance ends. Mike is heads and shoulders better than Branch, yet Branch wins the Arnold, and with zero back detail, he looks like a fried T-Rex...but that is another deal
we cannot outrightly criticize the head of the NPC and how he has allowed the quality to dwindle in the ranks, yet his son can make comicbooks and use fitness competitors for them...who funds such projects? And can these funds be rerouted to towards other projects...
We can't criticize the powers that be on here, or Ron will be punished...
You know, when car rags where ragging on Mercedes Benz lack of quality, did Mercedes say, "we are not going to listen to you, no more test cars for you"? No, they step up their quality, offered more cars to be tested...well, the NPC/IFBB needs to step up and understand that they too can be questioned, criticized, etc.
That air of untouchability of, you can only bash or critique the competitors needs to go.
We can sit here and say Phil Heath looks bloofy but we can't say that _____ looks like Chaz Bono. We can't criticize policies or Ron gets punished---booolshit...
So, if Mike K was in the ASC this year, you would have had him as the winner?
To show you how easy it is to prove my point...I'll ask you to post YOUR top 5 at the Arnold this year:
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So, if Mike K was in the ASC this year, you would have had him as the winner?
To show you how easy it is to prove my point...I'll ask you to post YOUR top 5 at the Arnold this year:
Ill put it to you like this, if it was a two horse race---Mike K would be in the winner's circle...Branch would made into dogfood---or glue.
To be quite honest, I was very disappointed by the 5 top at this year's Arnold...but, this not really about the contests---it's about the blatant corruption---it reads like it's right out of blaxploitation movie (you know the crooked sheriff, politician, etc), and it's done in way as to flaunt that they are all powerful...
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Ill put it to you like this, if it was a two horse race---Mike K would be in the winner's circle...Branch would mDe into dogfood---or glue.
To be quite honest, I was very disappointed by the top at this year's Arnold...but, this not really about the contests---it's about the blatant corruption---it reads like it's right out of blaxploitation movie (you know the crooked sheriff, politician, etc), and it's done in way as to flaunt that they are all powerful...
Still waiting for YOUR top 5 from the Arnold...
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Still waiting for YOUR top 5 from the Arnold...
give him a few minutes to find out who competed at the Arnold
I can't remember anybody besides Branch
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Still waiting for YOUR top 5 from the Arnold...
As much as I hate ro say it
1. Wolf
2. Dex
3. Vic
4. Rockel
5. Evan
6. Roelly or JOJ
I gave you 6 instead of 5
but, as I said this is not about Branch, The Arnold,
But about what I stated above, nor will this thread be hijacked to talk about them...it's already been beaten like the dead horse Branch is, no need to talk about it.
I want to talk about, why is it that we can have numerous threads on the Politics board discussing or criticizing the Pres, which we have a first admendment right to do so, but as soon as someone criticizes the NPC or the IFBB the threads get yanked or deleted?
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Hi Lee Priest
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As much as I hate ro say it
1. Wolf
2. Dex
3. Vic
4. Rockel
5. Evan
6. Roelly or JOJ
I gave you 6 instead of 5
but, as I said this is not about Branch, The Arnold,
But about what I stated above, nor will this thread be hijacked to talk about them...it's already been beaten like the dead horse Branch is, no need to talk about it.
I want to talk about, why is it that we can have numerous threads on the Politics board discussing or criticizing the Pres, which we have a first admendment right to do so, but as soon as someone criticizes the NPC or the IFBB the threads get yanked or deleted?
I agree that it sucks but what would you have Ron do about it? He doesn't make the rules. Well he makes the rules here I guess but you know what I mean. The rules here are the effect rather than the cause.
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Are you saying that Rusty Jeffers didn't spend enough time at the ice machine ???
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Are you saying that Rusty Jeffers didn't spend enough time at the ice machine ???
I heard he spent too much time at the ice machine and missed his opportunity in room 7 right next to it.
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They are wannabe gangsters, like most of the people involved in the sport. It is deeply rooted in underground dealings.
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Are you saying that Rusty Jeffers didn't spend enough time at the ice machine ???
This guy is still waiting.
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Ron has been told numerus times by the NPC/IFBB powers that be if he wants to have a good time at the shows and have access backstage and to the pageant contestents then he has to play face. Funny about Ron is off-air inperson he will admit just that. He agrees with everything but he wont support it publically. See the hypocrisy?
Same wth RX Muscle and MD. The NPC-IFBB is off limits becase they are afraid to lose access to shows and sponsorship money.
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i take back what I said earlier.......the NPC/IFBB could run the country better than that farce (or course I mean Obama)
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Let me get this into your head one more time. This is a bodybuilding board, we talk about industry related items, whether bodybuilding, supplements, girls, expo and more. But some of you think that you have the freedom to yell 'fire' in a theater. You don't. As I have said countless of times, don't like it, don't come here.
See, if it was a move to criticize the IFBB or NPC, and make suggestions, I am all for it. How to improve the sport, how to make things better, how to support things, BUT some of you don't care for that. What you care if how to call people names, how to piss off people, how to use every derogatory name and attack and bash anyone who is associated with the sport who actually run it.
Not cool.
See, let me get this into your heads. I enjoy the sport, I enjoy going to the expos, to the contests, to meet friends, competitors and people at these events. I got to about 20-25 of them a year. I like to get stories, to take pictures, and to actually enjoy meeting people, saying hello and having fun.
This is what I envision this place, a hardcore gym locker mentality that we can talk about shit, crap, girls, bodybuilding. I did not envision it as a place where you can bash the actual people that go to the shows in a way that you call them corrupt, crooks, and more. That is bullshit.
Put up the money to run a contest, from the venue, to hire the guys, to promotions and more. Businesswise. Yes, I care more about these people because I actually see them 10-20 times a year at events.
But some of you don't care - your only grace in life is to bash and ruin things, because you get off on it. No proof, just half truths mixed with lies. I am tired of it. And so are many others.
I can tell you know that if someone in any sport bashes the officials of that sport, basketball, golf, mma, and so many like they way you want to, they won't be allowed there either. For some of you, you don't care. You dont like it, you don't go to the events, and you don't go to expos or work in the industry, nor care. You get off bashing someone because you think it is funny. It isnt.
As for President Obama - try bashing him or threatening him and then go to one of his events. You won't even make it through the door.
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What is it you would like to know?
Why are IFBB promoters saying that the cost to sanction a pro women's bodybuilding event is $5000 when, according to what you have argued, the women bring in maybe 5% as much value as the men?
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Ron, we love you very much.
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Ron attends contests and supports the organization, officials, etc. I don't. I have the good of bodybuilding at heart and always have had. I don't agree that the men and women should remain untested for banned substances in the professional contests. I support open elections. Perhaps no one should be allowed to hold office for more than 5 years. Bring in new people and undo the business side of bodybuilding. Make this a sport and do the testing and we can get support and respect from the public. Not right away but we will do better than we are now. Bodybuilding is a sham and disgrace the way drugs are used by so many. Ron talks about supporting bodybuilding. That is fine. Why does he allow people like gh15 to post detailed information about drugs that help build muscle size, etc.? I can't see how disseminating drug information is supporting or helping bodybuilding in any way whatsoever.
The way the Pro League is now run resembles a closed shop of insiders. They make and enforce the rules and even appoint the pro athletes rep. Talk about an inside job!
Ron isn't a bodybuilder and is unlikely to ever compete as one. If he did and felt the contests weren't fair he would reconsider his position on the validity of the whole thing.
There is Bob C defending the way the IFBB operates. Well, we don't have to name the top 5 in any contest. That is merely another opinion and what we want is independent, unbiased, experienced, and intelligent opinions of who is the best. Only then will contests have the support of the fans. The bodybuilders don't stray because they will never place high if they do. Examples are Lee Priest and Milos Sarcev.
At the moment we can not replace unsatisfactory or controversial individuals from their positions. Paul Graham holds his position in Australia for life. Ditto for Manion and the others. Look at how long Bob C has had his important position. Well, that is a bit different because no sound musclehead would be silly enough to accept that role.
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Ron it's not all about calling people names, although, that comes with the territory... it's that even if you so much as get down right critical, they come down on you. What I'm getting at, is that pretty much every other industry has some sort of oversight, and if they don't follow the Feds step in, bodybuilding is a self regulating industry, if there is any regulating at all... because it's a niche industry, the Feds are pretty much hands off. So in fact, they are like the inflated egos of the bbers. It seems that it is a never ending cycle of greed ---do as your told or else, exploitation, homo-erotica, snake oil supps, roids, etc.
Who regulates that? The NPC and the IFBB, but it will fall on deaf ears! But we can rag the bber---the one's whose backs the industry is built on? Odd isn't it?
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Dad and the Son ::)
Mecca East (That other gym) ::)
Ron messes with them, and he'll be back stage with an etch a sketch instead of a camera.
I thought you'd die for us bitches, Ron. ::)
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Why are IFBB promoters saying that the cost to sanction a pro women's bodybuilding event is $5000 when, according to what you have argued, the women bring in maybe 5% as much value as the men?
the sanction fee is set by the IFBB, and no, its not cheaper to run a FBB competition because they bring in less revenue....
Much the same as it's not any cheaper to run a commercial during primetime TV for a company that only makes 1M/ yr. as opposed to 10 M/ yr.
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But some of you think that you have the freedom to yell 'fire' in a theater. You don't. As I have said countless of times, don't like it, don't come here.
Check my AV and sig, that is a direct quote. 8)
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Funny. I've never heard pres of IFBB ordering to bomb innocent people on the other side of the world... :-\
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As I have said countless of times, don't like it, don't come here.
Boom 8)
.....And i had to delete all the times bb was called a sport :D
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From the way Ron writes here it appears he is part of the bodybuilding establishment. He is one of the boys and mates with many of the insiders.
I agree with Ron that too much knocking of others goes on here. Nobody can control it now.
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Let me get this into your head one more time. This is a bodybuilding board, we talk about industry related items, whether bodybuilding, supplements, girls, expo and more. But some of you think that you have the freedom to yell 'fire' in a theater. You don't. As I have said countless of times, don't like it, don't come here.
See, if it was a move to criticize the IFBB or NPC, and make suggestions, I am all for it. How to improve the sport, how to make things better, how to support things, BUT some of you don't care for that. What you care if how to call people names, how to piss off people, how to use every derogatory name and attack and bash anyone who is associated with the sport who actually run it.
Not cool.
See, let me get this into your heads. I enjoy the sport, I enjoy going to the expos, to the contests, to meet friends, competitors and people at these events. I got to about 20-25 of them a year. I like to get stories, to take pictures, and to actually enjoy meeting people, saying hello and having fun.
This is what I envision this place, a hardcore gym locker mentality that we can talk about shit, crap, girls, bodybuilding. I did not envision it as a place where you can bash the actual people that go to the shows in a way that you call them corrupt, crooks, and more. That is bullshit.
Put up the money to run a contest, from the venue, to hire the guys, to promotions and more. Businesswise. Yes, I care more about these people because I actually see them 10-20 times a year at events.
But some of you don't care - your only grace in life is to bash and ruin things, because you get off on it. No proof, just half truths mixed with lies. I am tired of it. And so are many others.
I can tell you know that if someone in any sport bashes the officials of that sport, basketball, golf, mma, and so many like they way you want to, they won't be allowed there either. For some of you, you don't care. You dont like it, you don't go to the events, and you don't go to expos or work in the industry, nor care. You get off bashing someone because you think it is funny. It isnt.
As for President Obama - try bashing him or threatening him and then go to one of his events. You won't even make it through the door.
Ron is actually a genius, quoted for 1005 truth here. That is exactly how it is, some of the lame asses here doesn care at all about bbeing, heck, they dont even work out. They just want to give shit, because they are full of it.
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the sanction fee is set by the IFBB, and no, its not cheaper to run a FBB competition because they bring in less revenue....
Much the same as it's not any cheaper to run a commercial during primetime TV for a company that only makes 1M/ yr. as opposed to 10 M/ yr.
Well, at least you admit that the chosen number is arbitrary. That's a start.
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Well, at least you admit that the chosen number is arbitrary. That's a start.
Arbitrary to who...YOU? It's a business, just like any other...and they have every right to ask for X amount of dollars to use their name/ brand/ etc..
Just like in my example of commercial time...they (the network) decides what price using their channels are worth to the customer...
You have no argument here..
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Arbitrary to who...YOU? It's a business, just like any other...and they have every right to ask for X amount of dollars to use their name/ brand/ etc..
Just like in my example of commercial time...they (the network) decides what price using their channels are worth to the customer...
You have no argument here..
You don't realize it, of course, but you're painting yourself into a corner here. :)
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From the way Ron writes here it appears he is part of the bodybuilding establishment. He is one of the boys and mates with many of the insiders.
I agree with Ron that too much knocking of others goes on here. Nobody can control it now.
god, you're a queef.
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Leave God out of this.
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You don't realize it, of course, but you're painting yourself into a corner here. :)
right...keep telling yourself that. There is no corner to be painted into. JUst because the IFBB doesnt cater to what YOU have a fetish for, doesnt mean there is anything but business as usual.
That said, fire all your ammo...you're amusing at least.
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Is there any way the IFBB can lose money? They have zero risk. It's a genius business arrangement as long as they can keep it going.
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Is there any way the IFBB can lose money? They have zero risk. It's a genius business arrangement as long as they can keep it going.
What are you talking about?
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Let me get this into your head one more time. This is a bodybuilding board, we talk about industry related items, whether bodybuilding, supplements, girls, expo and more. But some of you think that you have the freedom to yell 'fire' in a theater. You don't. As I have said countless of times, don't like it, don't come here.
See, if it was a move to criticize the IFBB or NPC, and make suggestions, I am all for it. How to improve the sport, how to make things better, how to support things, BUT some of you don't care for that. What you care if how to call people names, how to piss off people, how to use every derogatory name and attack and bash anyone who is associated with the sport who actually run it.
Not cool.
See, let me get this into your heads. I enjoy the sport, I enjoy going to the expos, to the contests, to meet friends, competitors and people at these events. I got to about 20-25 of them a year. I like to get stories, to take pictures, and to actually enjoy meeting people, saying hello and having fun.
This is what I envision this place, a hardcore gym locker mentality that we can talk about shit, crap, girls, bodybuilding. I did not envision it as a place where you can bash the actual people that go to the shows in a way that you call them corrupt, crooks, and more. That is bullshit.
Put up the money to run a contest, from the venue, to hire the guys, to promotions and more. Businesswise. Yes, I care more about these people because I actually see them 10-20 times a year at events.
But some of you don't care - your only grace in life is to bash and ruin things, because you get off on it. No proof, just half truths mixed with lies. I am tired of it. And so are many others.
I can tell you know that if someone in any sport bashes the officials of that sport, basketball, golf, mma, and so many like they way you want to, they won't be allowed there either. For some of you, you don't care. You dont like it, you don't go to the events, and you don't go to expos or work in the industry, nor care. You get off bashing someone because you think it is funny. It isnt.
As for President Obama - try bashing him or threatening him and then go to one of his events. You won't even make it through the door.
Hey Ron.. What do you think about a poster on getbig that has literally 8 times as many posts as the founder. Do you think he needs an intervention?
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What are you talking about?
The IFBB is untouchable, just a sanctioning body. The promoters absorb all the risk. It's a great arrangement for the IFBB.
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The IFBB is untouchable, just a sanctioning body. The promoters absorb all the risk. It's a great arrangement for the IFBB.
No argument there...but the promoters arent looking to LOSE money either, which is why they tend to only support those divisions that have a chance of an ROI
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No argument there...but the promoters arent looking to LOSE money either, which is why they tend to only support those divisions that have a chance of an ROI
This is really the end of the argument, Tre. If the division can't support the sanction fee, why look at the fee; why not the division.
Wo-MEN's BBing... Bye bye. :'(
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Join special ed's site, u get to say everything u want there
Now, how odd is that? You can have a board in which the President can be bashed, but don't bash the heads of the IFBB, and definitely don't bash the top man of the NPC or his son... And "we" the followers of this "sport" talk about legitimacy, accountability? Well, if the top people view themselves as untouchable--- how can thing truly be legit...
The President of the United States gets dumped on everyday, from every country, yet the people who run this sport and are responsible for the quality control cannot be questioned or criticized--- especially on bbings most read, most critical site... the irony...
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Ron attends contests and supports the organization, officials, etc. I don't. I have the good of bodybuilding at heart and always have had. I don't agree that the men and women should remain untested for banned substances in the professional contests. I support open elections. Perhaps no one should be allowed to hold office for more than 5 years. Bring in new people and undo the business side of bodybuilding. Make this a sport and do the testing and we can get support and respect from the public. Not right away but we will do better than we are now. Bodybuilding is a sham and disgrace the way drugs are used by so many. Ron talks about supporting bodybuilding. That is fine. Why does he allow people like gh15 to post detailed information about drugs that help build muscle size, etc.? I can't see how disseminating drug information is supporting or helping bodybuilding in any way whatsoever.
The way the Pro League is now run resembles a closed shop of insiders. They make and enforce the rules and even appoint the pro athletes rep. Talk about an inside job!
Ron isn't a bodybuilder and is unlikely to ever compete as one. If he did and felt the contests weren't fair he would reconsider his position on the validity of the whole thing.
There is Bob C defending the way the IFBB operates. Well, we don't have to name the top 5 in any contest. That is merely another opinion and what we want is independent, unbiased, experienced, and intelligent opinions of who is the best. Only then will contests have the support of the fans. The bodybuilders don't stray because they will never place high if they do. Examples are Lee Priest and Milos Sarcev.
At the moment we can not replace unsatisfactory or controversial individuals from their positions. Paul Graham holds his position in Australia for life. Ditto for Manion and the others. Look at how long Bob C has had his important position. Well, that is a bit different because no sound musclehead would be silly enough to accept that role.
The NPC and the IFBB is not an elected office, its a business.
And yes, it does make a difference whether you attend the shows or not because by doing so would actually allow you to know what's going on.
That being said, you don't attend the show so your opinion automatically doesn't mean shit. Why would Manion or Graham take any advice or listen to someone who doesn't pay to support the NPC and IFBB? That goes for anyone around here.
I attend 3-5 NPC shows a years, I've competed in NPC events, I helped sell ticket for friends of mine who were promoting NPC shows. I've supported the NPC and the IFBB....what have you done lately other than moan and groan. Lets look at the facts
You claim that IFBB shows are fixed yet you admitted that you picked your own judges for your Mr Canada win in 1870
You say there's too many drugs in the IFBB yet you were popping Dianabol like tic tacs over your entire bodybuilding career
Fact is Vince Basile is that you're a hypocrite but Ron lets you post here for the same reason he lets gh15 post here....because no one takes either of you seriously..... ::)
Personally, I think that no organization is without reproach and there are always areas of improvement but rather than criticize and hype on things, we should work to improve things in a positive manner.
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From the way Ron writes here it appears he is part of the bodybuilding establishment. He is one of the boys and mates with many of the insiders.
I agree with Ron that too much knocking of others goes on here. Nobody can control it now.
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As a promoter you make a business based decision like any other business.
The sanction fee, prize money, venue hire, advertising etc are all associated costs.
For example, this year I added pro figure to my show. I weighed up the sanction fee, the prize money, hotels, flight etc and decided it was good business.
Very simple, no one is forcing anyone to run a show, if you don't like the business then you don't do the show.
As for bashing the system, what can you guys gain with all the wasted energy you put into this. Try training, find your niche in life and be good at it.
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Then why in hell there is such a thing as "202 class" in pro league ???
Don't come up to me and claim it actually pours money in promoters pockets...LOL.... it's a joke.
It's like somebody would want to pay 50 bucks for seeing 'semi-athlete' running 100 meters in 11 seconds... That's a good result but no one wouldn't pay for it as they came to watch WR being broked by Usain Bolt...
202 is charity. Eating real pros prize money.
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Then why in hell there is such a thing as "202 class" in pro league ???
Don't come up to me and claim it actually pours money in promoters pockets...LOL.... it's a joke.
It's like somebody would want to pay 50 bucks for seeing 'semi-athlete' running 100 meters in 11 seconds... That's a good result but no one wouldn't pay for it as they came to watch WR being broked by Usain Bolt...
202 is charity. Eating real pros prize money.
Same reasoning that there are weight classes in the UFC or Boxing...and while it might not have the draw of the big boys, it gives opportunity for guys to compete on a equal and level playing field, as well as create opportunities on the business side.
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Same reasoning that there are weight classes in the UFC or Boxing...and while it might not have the draw of the big boys, it gives opportunity for guys to compete on a equal and level playing field, as well as create opportunities on the business side.
I kind of understand that point.
But there were no weight classes for ages in pro level in bodybuilding. Look at how all the great 'lighter' guys did well back then; Lee Priest and Shawn Ray come to mind... they didn't need weight classes to be successful - they placed well among heavier and taller guys.
Heck, no one even knows who won "202 showdown" last year but everybody knew back in the day where did Lee Priest place at the Olympia.
I consider myself as somewhat a fan of pro bodybuilding but I can't recall the name of the guy who won 202 showdown, not even speaking about who else competed :-\
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Same reasoning that there are weight classes in the UFC or Boxing...and while it might not have the draw of the big boys, it gives opportunity for guys to compete on a equal and level playing field, as well as create opportunities on the business side.
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Still painting myself into a corner, Tre?
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I kind of understand that point.
But there were no weight classes for ages in pro level in bodybuilding. Look at how all the great 'lighter' guys did well back then; Lee Priest and Shawn Ray come to mind... they didn't need weight classes to be successful - they placed well among heavier and taller guys.
Heck, no one even knows who won "202 showdown" last year but everybody knew back in the day where did Lee Priest place at the Olympia.
I consider myself as somewhat a fan of pro bodybuilding but I can't recall the name of the guy who won 202 showdown, not even speaking about who else competed :-\
And as "somewhat of a fan"...I wouldn't expect you to know who won the 202....
And for every Shawn Ray and Lee Priest, there were 20 guys behind them who didn't do well....using two guys who were clearly exceptions to the rule only illustrates my point. Remind me...how many Olympias did either of the two gentlemen you mentioned win?
The landscape has also changed in that Lee Haney who was winning all those Olympias in that time, was in the 240's...so being 200-220 wasn't that much of a stretch to be competitive...you now have guys in the 250-275 range....BIG difference.
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And as "somewhat of a fan"...I wouldn't expect you to know who won the 202....
And for every Shawn Ray and Lee Priest, there were 20 guys behind them who didn't do well....using two guys who were clearly exceptions to the rule only illustrates my point. Remind me...how many Olympias did either of the two gentlemen you mentioned win?
The landscape has also changed in that Lee Haney who was winning all those Olympias in that time, was in the 240's...so being 200-220 wasn't that much of a stretch to be competitive...you now have guys in the 250-275 range....BIG difference.
well said chickaroo
For all the flowing lines and tight waists that david henry has.. there is nothing he can do when a mofo like Kai is standing next to him.. the sheer size is too much to ignore
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well said chickaroo
For all the flowing lines and tight waists that david henry has.. there is nothing he can do when a mofo like Kai is standing next to him.. the sheer size is too much to ignore
That's what your mom said. ;)
Sorry , couldn't resist.
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That's what your mom said. ;)
Sorry , couldn't resist.
LOL... Well played devon.. well played
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You want Ron to be associated with bodybuilding bashers, when he in fact supports and loves bodybuilding?
If you had a site dedicated to Ferrari's would you allow people to post about how much they despise Ferrari?
Of course you wouldn't.
This does not mean you do not have any valid points, and one could certainly formulate legit arguments about why one should not purchase a Ferrari, but truth be told there are other avenues to say as much.
I support free speech, but I can definitely get behind Ron's decision to crack down on the naysayers. They have no place here.
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You want Ron to be associated with bodybuilding bashers, when he in fact supports and loves bodybuilding?
If you had a site dedicated to Ferrari's would you allow people to post about how much they despise Ferrari?
Of course you wouldn't.
This does not mean you do not have any valid points, and one could certainly formulate legit arguments about why one should not purchase a Ferrari, but truth be told there are other avenues to say as much.
I support free speech, but I can definitely get behind Ron's decision to crack down on the naysayers. They
have no place here.
Well, we do bash the "Ferraris", we say they look like shit, Phil is Bloofy, Kai is gay (yet no proof), bash dudes on a the daily, but when it comes to those who run things---who are responsible for the quality of the physiques, the following of the bullshit IFBB handbook (no guts, yeah right), then all of sudden you can't do that...
On Ferrari sites they do bash Ferraris, people can't stand the new FF, when the Enzo came out, they bashed that...in fact, people's reactions are a gauge to where they are going.
If car magazines, enthusiasts, and consumers didn't blast the manufacturers, called for CEO heads on a platter, investigated where their monies were coming from, held them accountable for standards, the the auto industry would be in a shambles. It is the main reason why Ford, GM, and to an extent, Chrysler/Dodge have better reliability and performance than they used to---held ro a higher standard (Japanese and German)...the people who produce the product can and should be criticized...The NPC and the IFBB run the industry (along with the supps company), if they are effig up, and running int othecthe ground, then they should be criticized. If I want to say _____ spends more time devising more ways to get money (ie, cutting the pie), by offering short remedies, and not focusing on the shitty quality of the NPC competitors---thus making the IFBB quality...and if I feel that he has giving Incrediboy money time and effort to focus on comicbooks, and using competitors in them, in a recession, when said time and effort could used for other things, it shows a complete disregard and arrogance...
But, it's like this, the bbingvworld reflects what is prevelant in today's society, Blatant greed, and whoring out of one's self---and a total lack of quality, and losing sight of the bigger picture...