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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: noeasywayout on April 26, 2011, 11:09:21 AM
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maybe it's too hard for me to achieve this natural... :'(
5'10",196 lbs,6% body fat
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/photos/view-user-photo/6765842#pic
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2010/10/27/14333432/gallerypic/1YdxnUfbduTlFhAx68072wYY1JQUt247.jpeg)
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/photos/view-user-photo/6712042#pic
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2010/10/19/14333432/gallerypic/1E9lsibid5pFL2z477BMFnJZVNqXID696.jpeg)
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probly isnt but id say thats perfectly acheivable, not exactly huge, just nice and cut
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there are lots of these type physique on fitness magzine and websites...
I wonder why so many people can achieve their natural limit... ;D
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no way in hell is he natural
probly isnt but id say thats perfectly acheivable, not exactly huge, just nice and cut
ummmmmm he is about as big as you are if i remember correctly
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Could be natural. He's not that big and everybody can get lean.
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FUK that leaness :o
I want 6% ... hard to do as natural and with excessive age I find out :'(
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winnie the poo
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FUK that leaness :o
I want 6% ... hard to do as natural and with excessive age I find out :'(
Define "excessive"
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Define "excessive"
Over 20 but under 30 ;D
I feel like hormone balance is already changing... test dropping and estro rocketing... though I'm still in team low estrogen
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Over 20 but under 30 ;D
I feel like hormone balance is already changing... test dropping and estro rocketing... though I'm still in team low estrogen
Youre in your prime, my friend. Take it from an old doctor.
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dont know. in some pics he looks bigger than in others.
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2010/03/13/14333432/gallerypic/1MsKLLGtidaxdGx3IFClFYkuTZib3l810e.jpeg)
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2008/12/09/14333432/gallerypic/2861711e.jpg)
looks great nonetheless, juice or no juice.
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dont know. in some pics he looks bigger than in others.
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2010/03/13/14333432/gallerypic/1MsKLLGtidaxdGx3IFClFYkuTZib3l810e.jpeg)
How did you know it was this guy, is he famous or what?
Or is noeasywayout Tito?
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I'm not Tito ;D
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This is what gh15 is talking about. The guy is clearly on multiple grams a week, and can you imagine 5 more pounds of muscle on him? This is why 200 pounds naturally in good condition is such a challenge!
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no way in hell is he natural
ummmmmm he is about as big as you are if i remember correctly
you remember wrongly... 225 ripped on stage
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That is not a natural ...great build but not so much for a juicer... :)
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you fellas are nuts this fella isi hormonized on trenbolona for 6 months straight ,,then on masterona for atleast 8 week to get to this condition at this size,,and this is big fella,, i dont know why the fella who wrote this post even ask this question ,,this is ifbb fitness level physiqe ,,it is juiced to the max,,also hgh on regular basis for few months on then off then on then off,,also tried everything else including insulina but non responder to insulina
i just cant believ you even ask if he is natural ,,or clean or anything ,,this is prime example of never off hormones
gh15 approved
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no way in hell is he natural
ummmmmm he is about as big as you are if i remember correctly
Honestly dude, stfu. You're on all kinds of juice and look fat. This dude is lean and in shape. His stats aren't wild by any means. He's dry too. You have a few years of gym-ratting under your belt and spout shit on here like you know something. Wait about 10 years, then come back on here and state an opinion. You have zero clue what youre talking about.
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All you fat ass ppl that come on here and see a leaned out dude and cry "HE"s ON" are all jealous of someone else's hard work.
Permabulkers
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so tiny arms for being on juice, although his size quite differs on these pictures
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so tiny arms for being on juice, although his size quite differs on these pictures
his arms far from tiny,,he is on juice for many years,,he never go off,,he is the type of fellas that keep ordering and ordring every 3 weeks 6-7 vials to his place via usps
youfellas truly lost your mind,,to even THINK he is anything other than BIG time hormonized
gh15 approved
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you remember wrongly... 225 ripped on stage
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=362017.0;attach=397902)
u dont look much bigger, it at all, than this guy.
anyways, no ways this dude is natural.
coltrane-your so delusional its not funny in the slightest.
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Honestly dude, stfu. You're on all kinds of juice and look fat. This dude is lean and in shape. His stats aren't wild by any means. He's dry too. You have a few years of gym-ratting under your belt and spout shit on here like you know something. Wait about 10 years, then come back on here and state an opinion. You have zero clue what youre talking about.
thisi dude is LEAN ,,BIG,,and in shape! ,,he is not only lean ,,196 5'10 in this condition veins or less veins is BIG FELLA,, he is not insulina hgh big...but he is big ,,defenitely npc level winner for shows if developed over all and for that need to see back and legs etc
gh15 approved
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his arms far from tiny,,he is on juice for many years,,he never go off,,he is the type of fellas that keep ordering and ordring every 3 weeks 6-7 vials to his place via usps
youfellas truly lost your mind,,to even THINK he is anything other than BIG time hormonized
gh15 approved
Come on gh15, there must be decent looking guys that are really natural??
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(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=362017.0;attach=397902)
u dont look much bigger, it at all, than this guy.
anyways, no ways this dude is natural.
coltrane-your so delusional its not funny in the slightest.
no he doesnt look bigger ,,he look larger in the waist and midsection ,,thats about it,,another 15-20lb of midsection bloat,,he is not bigger infact he is smaller
gh15 approved
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Come on gh15, there must be decent looking guys that are really natural??
yes ,,take this condition of this fella in picture first post,,take 20-25lb off it...and you got the best natural gifted bodybuilders on the planet,,they stand 5'10 165-170 lb ,,and they are extremly good! because to stand 5% 170...naturally you reallyu reeally got to have great genetic frame and respond to training including everything on point,,,usualy the naturals who are 5% 5'10 stand 160-165...to be 170 truly natural 5% you are at the top of genegic pool
gh15 approved
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the guy also have big blocks of abbs, something you dont usually see with naturals.
he sells himself as a natural in all these adds. wow would he never think that he sucks then with all that drugs he used for the "natural" look?
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thisi dude is LEAN ,,BIG,,and in shape! ,,he is not only lean ,,196 5'10 in this condition veins or less veins is BIG FELLA,, he is not insulina hgh big...but he is big ,,defenitely npc level winner for shows if developed over all and for that need to see back and legs etc
gh15 approved
Fuckwad: When I cut I go about 190 pounds at the same bf. I'm natural. SO it can be done. Let's not get into this argument again, as I'll blow your juiced-out brain outta the water.
These stats are attainable for a natty.
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The only 'decent' looking naturals are called 'Africans' ....hope this helps ...
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dont know. in some pics he looks bigger than in others.
(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2010/03/13/14333432/gallerypic/1MsKLLGtidaxdGx3IFClFYkuTZib3l810e.jpeg)
But the supplements he uses are Dorian Yates approved !!
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Tbombz:
Youre nothing but a little boy in the whole scheme of things. Just a few years ago you bet life and limb that carbs were the enemy etc, etc., to turn around and go the other route. You spout info you cut and paste from wiki or flex mag. You haven't had enough years under your belt NOR have you actually gone the natural route for more than a few months to even make comments here. You simply don't have the experience to debate this.
The only way you could debate this is if you're natty for years and tried to attain this conditioning.
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The only way you could debate this is if you're natty for years and tried to attain this conditioning.
well agees 15-18 i was natty and i worked out harder than your bitchass could dream of...... and i kept a stricter diet than you could fathom...
i kno what i speak.
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Fuckwad: When I cut I go about 190 pounds at the same bf. I'm natural. SO it can be done. Let's not get into this argument again, as I'll blow your juiced-out brain outta the water.
These stats are attainable for a natty.
no they are not,,infact 185lb 6% 5'9 is nto atainable for natural either....not even 7% ,,and you are not! naturaly you are hormonized,,a local hormonized gym rat that go from order to ordere like the rest of the beggers,,you are exactly the definition of steroid board juiced up fella,,you also lookl like that! you look like shit! bloated and small! you go down to 190...but yoru upper body fits 170lb fella...only thing that big on you is your midsection from bloat,,you will look flat when you go down to 190 because you have no foundation on your torse aside from nice big midsection ,,
igf is hell of a research compound eh?
i hate liars and youre lucky i make god money of you otherwize you would end up with control delivery too
gh15 approved
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well agees 15-18 i was natty and i worked out harder than your bitchass could dream of...... and i kept a stricter diet than you could fathom...
i kno what i speak.
ummmm no you actually looked like shit on a stick, sold at the local shit store... if we need tips on what pillows to bite during prostate massages...don't worry will call ....
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well agees 15-18 i was natty and i worked out harder than your bitchass could dream of...... and i kept a stricter diet than you could fathom...
i kno what i speak.
dont listren to this fella,,he been tho hormones,,he lies,,he is just bad genetic respond ,,his midsection respond well though
gh15 approved
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no they are not,,infact 185lb 6% 5'9 is nto atainable for natural either....not even 7% ,,and you are not! naturaly you are hormonized,,a local hormonized gym rat that go from order to ordere like the rest of the beggers,,you are exactly the definition of steroid board juiced up fella,,you also lookl like that! you look like shit! bloated and small! you go down to 190...but yoru upper body fits 170lb fella...only thing that big on you is your midsection from bloat,,you will look flat when you go down to 190 because you have no foundation on your torse aside from nice big midsection ,,
igf is hell of a research compound eh?
i hate liars and youre lucky i make god money of you otherwize you would end up with control delivery too
gh15 approved
My midsection is bloated? In what pic of the maybe two i've ever posted on here am I bloated? Answer that juice-monkey?
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well agees 15-18 i was natty and i worked out harder than your bitchass could dream of...... and i kept a stricter diet than you could fathom...
i kno what i speak.
Laughable. I'm not gonna debate my gym routine/dieting with some pre-pubescent juicer, trying to make himself feel better about his looks.
I've have 15 years MORE than you in the gym friend. You're nothing but a child.
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My midsection is bloated? In what pic of the maybe two i've ever posted on here am I bloated? Answer that juice-monkey?
YOU
ARE
A
LIAR!
i can show you 165lb fella that wipe the fllor truly naturaly at 6% with the physiqe you show in that messed up picture,,165 lb fellas at 5'10
gh15 approved
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And your few years Tbomb means nothing. You don't peak until later on in life at an older age. Muscle maturity know-it-all.
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I see you haven't answered GH15. Here is my only pic ive posted showing midsection:
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Does that look bloated to you juice-head?
I was appx 195 at about 9% there. BF is a best guess.
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who is the bald fella then in the picture tbom put? i thought it was you ,, i didnt read the postings i dont hav etim efor that
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Does that look bloated to you juice-head?
I was appx 195 at about 9% there. BF is a best guess.
Epic tanning bed..I assume 'Coltrane' isnt 'black' ....as I use to think (referring to the jazz musician)
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who is the bald fella then in the picture tbom put? i thought it was you ,, i didnt read the postings i dont hav etim efor that
i don't know who he is.
GH15: estimate my bf in my pic for me. I'm curious as to what it was..
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i thought it was 'local hero'
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Epic tanning bed..I assume 'Coltrane' isnt 'black' ....as I use to think (referring to the jazz musician)
Great tanning bed.
Nope, italian.
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This was the best that I could do as a lifetime natural
5'11" 154 and 6%
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i don't know who he is.
GH15: estimate my bf in my pic for me. I'm curious as to what it was..
Take it easy, Coltrane. They're mindfucking you. I've seen people much more bloated then you. Well, not many, but some.
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i don't know who he is.
GH15: estimate my bf in my pic for me. I'm curious as to what it was..
from front 9-10% ,,back double bi will tell you more accuratly ,,probably 10%
gh15 approved
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from front 9-10% ,,back double bi will tell you more accuratly ,,probably 10%
gh15 approved
You can't possibly think that my build looks juiced. I'm natty 100%. All 19 years. And my stats are simliar to the ones your claiming can't possibly be natty.
GH i'm just saying it's possible. Don't be so ignorant.
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This was the best that I could do as a lifetime natural
5'11" 154 and 6%
Epic imaginary muscle syndrome.
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how tall are you?
show more pictures,,
its very hard to tell how much real muscle you have because there is water on the physiqe that when diet to stage ,,aka when you go 6 % you will start losing major weight if truly natural ,,
need more pictures to see,,pictures as i told you fellas before are ILLUSIONS IN TIME
you can take 155lb fella and make him look lthe best fitness model you have seen zoomed in or against white wall,,take a look at dj...fella in that pic he put look absolitly great and he is tiny as it can be and no freaky shpe,,think about fellas with freaky shapes in picture like dj pic..they will look much much bigger
need more pictures
gh15 approved
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I see you haven't answered GH15. Here is my only pic ive posted showing midsection:
naturaly and 17 year old only training a year and a half,, pwning your delts and arms mister "been training 20 years" ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=116127.0;attach=131330)
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I only have that picture and another arm pic from when I was dieted down. This summer I plan out going down to about 180, so I will take them then.
Youre right about that last couple percentages of bf though. Natty's will lose a lot of muscle getting super lean.
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naturaly and 17 year old only training a year and a half,, pwning your delts and arms mister "been training 20 years" ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=116127.0;attach=131330)
Sure ya are retard.
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Best lifts: (should undoubtedly prove natural status)
best bench: 330
best squat: 370
best dumbbell flat press: 120's for 8
best db military press: 120's for 2
best leg press: 9 plates aside for 20 reps. (this is perhaps my best lift).
If I were on something, i'd be able to bench over 330. Period.
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Sure ya are retard.
leaner, thats for sure. but i had more size at 17 than you do after 20 years of training. :)
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You think you're leaner than me in my pic? Dude, you're crazy. You have no muscle to even show that you're lean.
Yes, moron, you have more size at 17 than I do at 33. The pics show this. ::)
I like you tbombz and you remind me of myself at your age, but don't be such a know-it-all.
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You think you're leaner than me in my pic? Dude, you're crazy. You have no muscle to even show that you're lean.
And how can you make a statement that you were bigger at 17 when I was when I haven't posted a pic of me at 17 to begin with? This just shows your youth and stupidity.
I like you tbombz and you remind me of myself at your age, but don't be such a know-it-all.
boy u sure r a dummy for a lawyer ;D
no, ur arm is leaner
but i was bigger at 17 than you are now.
get it? if not, check the pics, itll tell u the same story
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Seriously dude, if youre being sarcastic, stop. I'm wasting time arguing.
The simple reality is that even juiced your build doesn't compare to mine natty. I have more years of building than you by far and have muscle maturity which you don't yet.
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boy u sure r a dummy for a lawyer ;D
no, ur arm is leaner
but i was bigger at 17 than you are now.
get it? if not, check the pics, itll tell u the same story
You mean fatter?
Bro, I don't wanna be mean, but your living in a dream land.
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Post your 17 year old juiced pics tbombz. ::)
Let's see that permabulked "size" you got. ::)
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Here's a pic of me at about 21. Permabulked to the hilt. My "size" here outdoes yours tbombz. And natty too.
Are you related to BlackFagStud ? I see the common 'white' marks of teh 2012 Mr. Gitbeg.
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Are you related to BlackFagStud ? I see the common 'white' marks of teh 2012 Mr. Gitbeg.
negative. Just the color i picked on paintbrush.
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I see you haven't answered GH15. Here is my only pic ive posted showing midsection:
Wow Coletran, nice midsection and tres trail.
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Wow Coletran, nice midsection and tres trail.
Thank you.
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You bet.
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This was the best that I could do as a lifetime natural
5'11" 154 and 6%
Someone posted that every fucking post you make is about yourself.
....they were right.
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natural means less than a gram of test per week
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Great arms and good chest and shoulders on Coltrane.
I think he looks better than you Bombz - natuaal or nor.
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This was the best that I could do as a lifetime natural
5'11" 154 and 6%
This is why gh15 is bad for getbig....ur seriously gona post a pic of a guy almost 6 foot who weighs the same as a JUNIOR MIDDLEWEIGHT BOXER and say this is "the best u can find of a lifetime natural!!!"
crazy
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You mean fatter?
Bro, I don't wanna be mean, but your living in a dream land.
visible line between delts, tris, and bis? visible lines between hammies and quads? fatt? yes, fatter than yu are... f i was leanerr i would be pwning u hardcore.. now its comparable .. but still... me being comparable to u in terms f mass as a natty 17 y.o. taking into consideration u been training for 20 years means that i do have quite a bit of superiority over you. fact.
;D
you look great, ive never had a midsection like that.. as for my size now, u cant tell much in pics but im a realy big dude... just the other some gym rat who is competing next month and usg some test was talkin to he whole gym about how big i was trying to lick my ball sack and shit... well i cant blame him first time i went in there without long loose sleeves and im 5'111' 240 13%bf.. truly tho.. in person u would be patting me on the shoulder caling me buddy acting lie u dididnt just want to feel my delts tof ulfill ur clsteted bi cruious facination with muscloes..
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This was the best that I could do as a lifetime natural
5'11" 154 and 6%
You look like a skinny little shit and you aren't 6% you delusional asshead....you are lean with very little muscle...You have that stringy, "I suck at bodybuilding" thing going on.
I mean seriously. ...your arms are puny and you have zero thickness on your torso. You keep touting Zane, as if you are a "lines" Guy...but your aesthetics are average at best...boxy waist with odd looking abs
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how does a pic i took of me taken on holdiay get brought into this,,, of course my waist is blocky, i was 240, drinking beers and eating shite at the buffet everyday...
225, 6'1...
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im not pertaining to being the next dorian yates, but at least ive competed at national level a few times
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That dude isn't big by any means but I would bet he's cycling something like masteron, tren, or winnie to be that full at a lower bf%. Especially because the dude looks older, you can probably throw gh in there also. I agree with gh15 on this one. Naturally, he would be flat as a pancake if he could even get to that low bf% while being natural.
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Fuckwad: When I cut I go about 190 pounds at the same bf. I'm natural. SO it can be done. Let's not get into this argument again, as I'll blow your juiced-out brain outta the water.
These stats are attainable for a natty.
Sure you do ::)
And no way is that guy natural - look at the condition with the fullness , as gh says you guys are crazy/nuts and out of your mind if you think he is natural..
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well agees 15-18 i was natty and i worked out harder than your bitchass could dream of...... and i kept a stricter diet than you could fathom...
i kno what i speak.
Sure you did. As long as it wasn't to failure. "Stimulate don't annihilate. LOL! You're such a joke here.
You really do need to STFU and try to learn something for a change.
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ummmm no you actually looked like shit on a stick, sold at the local shit store... if we need tips on what pillows to bite during prostate massages...don't worry will call ....
LOL! Tbombz loves getting raped in the ass here and in real life.
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This was the best that I could do as a lifetime natural
5'11" 154 and 6%
Stop it already! We've seen the pics of you at "your all time best." Maybe you should ask Ron to have a separate "Hey, everybody pay attention to me!" board just for you.
Jeeze.
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'cocktrain' is about as natural as a cock in the ass.
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'cocktrain' is about as natural as a cock in the ass.
x2, i really don't know what drives these people to lie about their steroid use on an internet message board.
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This was the best that I could do as a lifetime natural
5'11" 154 and 6%
for a guy who makes this his seemingly greatest accomplishment in life you look like shit.
very Romano-esque physique.
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Stop it already! We've seen the pics of you at "your all time best." Maybe you should ask Ron to have a separate "Hey, everybody pay attention to me!" board just for you.
Jeeze.
The best part is he doesn't even look that good.
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x2, i really don't know what drives these people to lie about their steroid use on an internet message board.
agreed.
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Stop it already! We've seen the pics of you at "your all time best." Maybe you should ask Ron to have a separate "Hey, everybody pay attention to me!" board just for you.
Jeeze.
LOLOL.....This microscopic Sniffer of men's asses is quite the pathetic little weasel.
If it wasn't for me owning him and Mr nobody patronizing him ( he still hasn't caught on LOL )...he would be talking to himself on his "My 3 phase plan to fit a 14 inch dildo up my ass" thread. :D
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The only guys who continue to ask if physiques like his are "natural" are the guys who want so badly to hope they can achieve that look without drugs.
As for the rest of us, we all know without a doubt that there is absolutely NOTHING natural about Beavis there.
Just keep hopin'......mmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?
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yes ,,take this condition of this fella in picture first post,,take 20-25lb off it...and you got the best natural gifted bodybuilders on the planet,,they stand 5'10 165-170 lb ,,and they are extremly good! because to stand 5% 170...naturally you reallyu reeally got to have great genetic frame and respond to training including everything on point,,,usualy the naturals who are 5% 5'10 stand 160-165...to be 170 truly natural 5% you are at the top of genegic pool
gh15 approved
delusional
Neptune100 approved
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x2, i really don't know what drives these people to lie about their steroid use on an internet message board.
They are just average fit in's at the gym when the other juicers in the gym look better or the same so they lie and claim natural - they lie so much it becomes second nature and roll's over onto the internet with them.
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The only guys who continue to ask if physiques like his are "natural" are the guys who want so badly to hope they can achieve that look without drugs.
As for the rest of us, we all know without a doubt that there is absolutely NOTHING natural about Beavis there.
Just keep hopin'......mmmmmmmmmmmmmkay?
Real.
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They are just average fit in's at the gym when the other juicers in the gym look better or the same so they lie and claim natural - they lie so much it becomes second nature and roll's over onto the internet with them.
Well said WG.
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They are just average fit in's at the gym when the other juicers in the gym look better or the same so they lie and claim natural - they lie so much it becomes second nature and roll's over onto the internet with them.
pathetic.
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They are just average fit in's at the gym when the other juicers in the gym look better or the same so they lie and claim natural - they lie so much it becomes second nature and roll's over onto the internet with them.
fucking great reply dude. never thought of that before. makes total sense.
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I'm not lying
As a matter of fact...I know ive said this before...but I'm going to actually do some steroids...a good friend of mine is getting me a 10 week cycle of Winstrol. ...I figure I'm naturally big enough and if I can harden up and put a few lbs on in the process. ..ill look pretty damn good.
I could actually use some REAL advice on whether this is a good idea...dosing, pinning etc...because I hate to break it you guys, but I never did it before.
So I would appreciate if you give the flaming a rest for a minute and help me out...for real
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I'm not lying
As a matter of fact...I know ive said this before...but I'm going to actually do some steroids...a good friend of mine is getting me a 10 week cycle of Winstrol. ...I figure I'm naturally big enough and if I can harden up and put a few lbs on in the process. ..ill look pretty damn good.
I could actually use some REAL advice on whether this is a good idea...dosing, pinning etc...because I hate to break it you guys, but I never did it before.
So I would appreciate if you give the flaming a rest for a minute and help me out...for real
I recommend beginning a 3 Phase Project.
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I'm not lying
As a matter of fact...I know ive said this before...but I'm going to actually do some steroids...a good friend of mine is getting me a 10 week cycle of Winstrol. ...I figure I'm naturally big enough and if I can harden up and put a few lbs on in the process. ..ill look pretty damn good.
I could actually use some REAL advice on whether this is a good idea...dosing, pinning etc...because I hate to break it you guys, but I never did it before.
So I would appreciate if you give the flaming a rest for a minute and help me out...for real
If you want real advice, head to the steroid board, it's moderated well and lots of advice and it would potentially give you someone you could PM with for legit answers to your questions.
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I'm not lying
As a matter of fact...I know ive said this before...but I'm going to actually do some steroids...a good friend of mine is getting me a 10 week cycle of Winstrol. ...I figure I'm naturally big enough and if I can harden up and put a few lbs on in the process. ..ill look pretty damn good.
I could actually use some REAL advice on whether this is a good idea...dosing, pinning etc...because I hate to break it you guys, but I never did it before.
So I would appreciate if you give the flaming a rest for a minute and help me out...for real
A "friend" is just giving you winny? You know it's water-based, right? So, basically youre starting off with juice that requires more care than an oil base, and is a hell of a lot more painful.
No test or Tren to go with it? D-bol? AD? Nothing?
Waste. Hope your amigo doesnt try to get you to run Deca with it as a stack... geez.
Stack it, or waste it.
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A "friend" is just giving you winny? You know it's water-based, right? So, basically youre starting off with juice that requires more care than an oil base, and is a hell of a lot more painful.
No test or Tren to go with it? D-bol? AD? Nothing?
Waste. Hope your amigo doesnt try to get you to run Deca with it as a stack... geez.
Stack it, or waste it.
"Groink" probably has enough experience, so he will just stack the winny to the current stack he's already running. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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A "friend" is just giving you winny? You know it's water-based, right? So, basically youre starting off with juice that requires more care than an oil base, and is a hell of a lot more painful.
No test or Tren to go with it? D-bol? AD? Nothing?
Waste. Hope your amigo doesnt try to get you to run Deca with it as a stack... geez.
Stack it, or waste it.
good advise.
low dose test first cycle. maybe some dbol too.
winny is a finishing drug, your bf has to be fairly low to see its benefits and its not all that 'great' by itself.
groink you'll get far better results spending the same money running something simple like test and dbol, tren or deca
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A "friend" is just giving you winny? You know it's water-based, right? So, basically youre starting off with juice that requires more care than an oil base, and is a hell of a lot more painful.
No test or Tren to go with it? D-bol? AD? Nothing?
Waste. Hope your amigo doesnt try to get you to run Deca with it as a stack... geez.
Stack it, or waste it.
Well I know its basically a hardening steroid...which is all I'm really looking for..I'm 255 this morning and I have no desire to be 270 + at my age...just want to be tighter
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Well I know its basically a hardening steroid...which is all I'm really looking for..I'm 255 this morning and I have no desire to be 270 + at my age...just want to be tighter
2g Tren with 15 i..u. HGH should get you ripped and hard in no time. ;D ;D ;D
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Most getbiggers are delusional about what can be achieved naturally.
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good advise.
low dose test first cycle. maybe some dbol too.
winny is a finishing drug, your bf has to be fairly low to see its benefits and its not all that 'great' by itself.
groink you'll get far better results spending the same money running something simple like test and dbol, tren or deca
So seriously. ..you're saying it will do nothing?
Because I'm nit looking for big mass gains
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Most getbiggers are delusional about what can be achieved naturally.
LOL, and you are the best example what can be achieved naturally? ::) ::)
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So seriously. ..you're saying it will do nothing?
Because I'm nit looking for big mass gains
im saying you'll get much more tangible results using a different compound/ compounds.
honestly dude, its one of those compounds that really shows its worth once your about 7% or so.
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im saying you'll get much more tangible results using a different compound/ compounds.
honestly dude, its one of those compounds that really shows its worth once your about 7% or so.
What would you recommend?
The goal here is to tighten up and dry out...not too worried about size. Size I got
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LOL, and you are the best example what can be achieved naturally? ::) ::)
I never said that, you guy. Lots of naturals go a lot further than me for sure.
But most getbiggers think they can be a cut 220 pounds naturally and that's what they think is normal for someone who's been training for a while. It doesn't match with what i've seen in real life.
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Well I know its basically a hardening steroid...which is all I'm really looking for..I'm 255 this morning and I have no desire to be 270 + at my age...just want to be tighter
How much more bf have you got to drop ? as no one says you dont really notice winnys effects till you drop below 10% and lower.
I actualy find it pretty good for strengh also but its best stacked say with prop and maybe some npp if you can get your hands on it - for some of us stana is nasty on the joints so one of the nandralones is usely added with it , npp being the faster acting version.
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What would you recommend?
The goal here is to tighten up and dry out...not too worried about size. Size I got
To cut you need to diet dude lol drugs will help you hold onto the lean tissue you have , you are not going to blow up if you are cutting down - diet is calorie deficit - putting size on is you take more calories in , which you proberly already know.. but to blow up on drugs they need to be in a calorie rich enviroment.. with cutting the drugs will just help maintain what you have unless of course you use tren - but not recomended for first up..
I find using dball whilst cutting with an AI gives the appearence of blowing up even though the scales are going down , just gives you a full tight look. everyones diff tho.
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How much more bf have you got to drop ? as no one says you dont really notice winnys effects till you drop below 10% and lower.
I actualy find it pretty good for strengh also but its best stacked say with prop and maybe some npp if you can get your hands on it - for some of us stana is nasty on the joints so one of the nandralones is usely added with it , npp being the faster acting version.
agreed totally.
like will grant says too- diet is the only thing that will truly manifest the hardness you want too due to your higher bf level. if you were already lean enough to use hardening compounds id say fill your boots, but i dont want to see you waste your $- and technically you can harden up on any compound. i know guys who have prep for and won shows using just test enanthate.
for the money groink i think you'll see far better results running low dose test stacked with some tren or npp over just winnie.
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winstrol = no good,,you will see nothing from it and even when sub 8% it kill joint,,you get weaker ,,you wont be able to lift as heavy ,,your joints will kill you ,,winstrol is a cursed drug thaqt only fits fellas that are at the final final stage of prep and work with kids weights,,you know them you seen them before they come to gym work with 25lb dumbells ,,those are the ones who use winstrol,,if you are serious lifter you will curse the moment you went on winstrol
at your body fat levels and especialy water retention you need TRENBOLONA ,,thats the only thing that will harden you up and cut you while keeping all the lean muscle you have on mayeb even another 1/2 inch on the arms and rest of the muscles within 3-4 months period
masteron and trenbolona is KNOWN for conditioning of bodybuilder,,make bodybuilders look 20lb more than they actualy are and very conditioned ,,
if you take someone on trenbolona and masterona 200lb 6% he will resemble in size 220lb fella that is 7-8% and on testosterona and nandrolona,,simply because his condition will be better,,he will look harder and drier,,he will have lower bodyfat
there is no avoidance from trenbolona and masterona,,trenbolona when sub 13% masterona added when sub 8% ,,those are the 2 main aas we use for prep no matter what other tell you those are the 2 MUSTS in preps
masterona will also do something that trenbolona dont do...it will be anti estrogen,,it will by the day dry you up ,,it will take estrogen down and will initially get you to look drier and youll think you lose some delt size but no! within a week or 2 on it you will see you only dried up and hardened up into new dimentions while dieting,,it gets you.................
t i g h t
and clear the back ,,it will reveal the detail a bodybuilder look on the lower back due to the way it dries you,,
sean made winny so famous ,,liar priest too btu they really didnt use it much ,,winny was the excuse for failed test because winnny is nothing everyone dont care about winny its like the mnm of the steroids,,dont do shit so its easy to blame ,,ya knwo i took little 2mg winny pills that my friend gave me i thought they were tick tacks vitamins...
gh15 approved
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oh and dont tell your dealr you want trenbolona and masterona because he will look at you like a you are a loonaateek,, its trenbolone acetate and mastron di propionate,,
leave the trenbolona and masterona balonie to here
gh15 approved
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Most getbiggers are delusional about what can be achieved naturally.
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oh and dont tell your dealr you want trenbolona and masterona because he will look at you like a you are a loonaateek,, its trenbolone acetate and mastron di propionate,,
leave the trenbolona and masterona balonie to here
gh15 approved
;D
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I just want to be tighter
Don't tell BayGM
J/k
I thought you were being serious about not juicing. My bad.
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This is max natural. Hard, not ripped though. Would lose 20 lbs of muscle to get ripped.
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This is max natural. Hard, not ripped though. Would lose 20 lbs of muscle to get ripped.
Pretty sure George played with Dballs :)
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How far do you have to go back in time?
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This is max natural. Hard, not ripped though. Would lose 20 lbs of muscle to get ripped.
Show me a real natural who looks like that.
Guy in the picture is on something for sure.
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Great Groink, so now, after 1000 years of being "Mr.Natural" you suddenly want to start a cycle just to "harden up", even though you're @ 15% and would look pretty fucking hard dieted down to 240 by yourself.
All those years, what a waste
I am disappointed.
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Great Groink, so now, after 1000 years of being "Mr.Natural" you suddenly want to start a cycle just to "harden up", even though you're @ 15% and would look pretty fucking hard dieted down to 240 by yourself.
All those years, what a waste
I am disappointed.
You just gotta read between the lines with Groink.
He's not natty and he's not seriously claiming to be natty. He's just being careful and not admitting it online. He's probably got a clean and upstanding reputation in his community and he doesn't want to be known as "the guy who's on steroids."
MuscleCenter and Big Ach are the same. They have posted face pics and their true identity is known. And they have a reputation to protect. So they cannot admit to their steroid use here.
Are you gonna do some steroids? I'm thinking of starting them up when I move to a country where they are easily available. I'm just worried about bitch tits and going limp and bald and all that shit.
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You just gotta read between the lines with Groink.
He's not natty and he's not seriously claiming to be natty. He's just being careful and not admitting it online. He's probably got a clean and upstanding reputation in his community and he doesn't want to be known as "the guy who's on steroids."
MuscleCenter and Big Ach are the same. They have posted face pics and their true identity is known. And they have a reputation to protect. So they cannot admit to their steroid use here.
Are you gonna do some steroids? I'm thinking of starting them up when I move to a country where they are easily available. I'm just worried about bitch tits and going limp and bald and all that shit.
I've always given Ursus, Meso and Groink the benefit of the doubt for some reason, I'd rather be naive than to be enforcing limiting beliefs on myself.
I believe Big Ach when he says he only did prohormones, the one he did (twice I think) was powerful as well.
Musclecenter..well dunno, he is old so maybe HRT? Does he claim natural?
No I won't do them, I want to push myself naturally. Maybe in the distant future but definitely not @ 21.
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I've always given Ursus, Meso and Groink the benefit of the doubt for some reason, I'd rather be naive than to be enforcing limiting beliefs on myself.
I believe Big Ach when he says he only did prohormones, the one he did (twice I think) was powerful as well.
Musclecenter..well dunno, he is old so maybe HRT? Does he claim natural?
No I won't do them, I want to push myself naturally. Maybe in the distant future but definitely not @ 21.
I used to always say to myself "I'll wait until i'm about 30 to try steroids."
Well now 30 has come and gone for me, i'm thinking maybe it's time to try a low dose stack.
I know myself though. And I think if I tried gear i'd probably end up going deep with it. I go deep with almost any drug I experiment with. That's one reason why I stay away.
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I used to always say to myself "I'll wait until i'm about 30 to try steroids."
Well now 30 has come and gone for me, i'm thinking maybe it's time to try a low dose stack.
I know myself though. And I think if I tried gear i'd probably end up going deep with it. I go deep with almost any drug I experiment with. That's one reason why I stay away.
I hear ya man, shit is tempting sometimes, I got a few friends who jumped extremely in strength levels after a cycle and got big.
I think to myself that it has to be a sucky feeling to know you only lifted that because you're on.
Got a friend who offered me testo enathate the other day, told him naw maybe some other time.
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oh and dont tell your dealr you want trenbolona and masterona because he will look at you like a you are a loonaateek,, its trenbolone acetate and mastron di propionate,,
leave the trenbolona and masterona balonie to here
gh15 approved
LOL!!!! Fuckin hilarious. I imagine this has already happened a few times already because of your posts here.
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I hear ya man, shit is tempting sometimes, I got a few friends who jumped extremely in strength levels after a cycle and got big.
I think to myself that it has to be a sucky feeling to know you only lifted that because you're on.
Got a friend who offered me testo enathate the other day, told him naw maybe some other time.
Most of my friends used to be on gear too.
Most of them made amazing gains, but also I saw some of them get side effects.
One of them went bald at age 22. And now he's off gear and he also lost almost all the muscle too.
One of them got bitch tits and had to get surgery.
One of them got horrible acne that left him with huge acne scars.
Others got combinations of these things. Some of them looked all redfaced and unhealthy.
It made me not want to mess with it. But I think they were going pretty high dose.
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You just gotta read between the lines with Groink.
He's not natty and he's not seriously claiming to be natty. He's just being careful and not admitting it online. He's probably got a clean and upstanding reputation in his community and he doesn't want to be known as "the guy who's on steroids."
MuscleCenter and Big Ach are the same. They have posted face pics and their true identity is known. And they have a reputation to protect. So they cannot admit to their steroid use here.
Are you gonna do some steroids? I'm thinking of starting them up when I move to a country where they are easily available. I'm just worried about bitch tits and going limp and bald and all that shit.
Nice theory but wrong.
I say I don't do steroids, because I don't do steroids.
The cacophony of derision I hear every day from you guys bounces right off of me...I know I'm natural, and that's all that matters. That's why I don't get my ass twisted over it....people are going to think what they will. I'm fine with that.
I have no moral stance against gear..I just don't use it for whatever reason...I really don't even know anymore. I think its probably because all of the guys that I know that are on (and that's a LOT) become consumed by it....like its fucking heroin. That's all they ever talk about and just seems wrong to me.
I know I would look.like a true freak if I did it, and that seriously tempts me. Especially when all of these guys tell me the same shit all the time and offer me gear all the time. The winstrol I'm talking about is being given to me for free.
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Nice theory but wrong.
I say I don't do steroids, because I don't do steroids.
The cacophony of derision I hear every day from you guys bounces right off of me...I know I'm natural, and that's all that matters. That's why I don't get my ass twisted over it....people are going to think what they will. I'm fine with that.
I have no moral stance against gear..I just don't use it for whatever reason...I really don't even know anymore. I think its probably because all of the guys that I know that are on (and that's a LOT) become consumed by it....like its fucking heroin. That's all they ever talk about and just seems wrong to me.
I know I would look.like a true freak if I did it, and that seriously tempts me. Especially when all of these guys tell me the same shit all the time and offer me gear all the time. The winstrol I'm talking about is being given to me for free.
I believe you. You are 100% lifetime natural... ;)
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Nice theory but wrong.
I say I don't do steroids, because I don't do steroids.
The cacophony of derision I hear every day from you guys bounces right off of me...I know I'm natural, and that's all that matters. That's why I don't get my ass twisted over it....people are going to think what they will. I'm fine with that.
I have no moral stance against gear..I just don't use it for whatever reason...I really don't even know anymore. I think its probably because all of the guys that I know that are on (and that's a LOT) become consumed by it....like its fucking heroin. That's all they ever talk about and just seems wrong to me.
I know I would look.like a true freak if I did it, and that seriously tempts me. Especially when all of these guys tell me the same shit all the time and offer me gear all the time. The winstrol I'm talking about is being given to me for free.
Your so full of shit dude. The typical "ohhhh O would blow up if I touched steroids" type guy. All my friends say I should do it because i'll blow up to be so big. What you are now is the result of what you tried, either you havent gone knee deep into gear or you just tinker with test doses, throwing in a lil jumper everyonce in awhile. Just the typical bullshitter. Ohh really? Now that someones offers you a bottle of 70 dollar winstrol for free you are going to choose not to be natty..just all of a sudden, because it's free?? fucking comical. You can afford that shit at your age. Money is not the issue why you think you are a natty. Quit your bullshitting, its fucking lame.
Have fun with your winny only cycle Mr lifetime natural
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Your so full of shit dude. The typical "ohhhh O would blow up if I touched steroids" type guy. All my friends say I should do it because i'll blow up to be so big. What you are now is the result of what you tried, either you havent gone knee deep into gear or you just tinker with test doses, throwing in a lil jumper everyonce in awhile. Just the typical bullshitter. Ohh really? Now that someones offers you a bottle of 70 dollar winstrol for free you are going to choose not to be natty..just all of a sudden, because it's free?? fucking comical. You can afford that shit at your age. Money is not the issue why you think you are a natty. Quit your bullshitting, its fucking lame.
Have fun with your winny only cycle Mr lifetime natural
nice 1st post. ;D ;D ;D
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Yea, Ive been a strong lurker for awhile and it took admin forever to pass my account. Been reading all the lies and bullshit on this board. Just another guy who sees this stuff everyday in the real world. I have friends who swear to everyone they are natural and are emailing me if I can get them their next test 400 bottle...
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Your so full of shit dude. The typical "ohhhh O would blow up if I touched steroids" type guy. All my friends say I should do it because i'll blow up to be so big. What you are now is the result of what you tried, either you havent gone knee deep into gear or you just tinker with test doses, throwing in a lil jumper everyonce in awhile. Just the typical bullshitter. Ohh really? Now that someones offers you a bottle of 70 dollar winstrol for free you are going to choose not to be natty..just all of a sudden, because it's free?? fucking comical. You can afford that shit at your age. Money is not the issue why you think you are a natty. Quit your bullshitting, its fucking lame.
Have fun with your winny only cycle Mr lifetime natural
How about you stop being a pussy and post this on your main account?
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Can you say cacophony ?
Definately the word of the day! ;D
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How about you stop being a pussy and post this on your main account?
No shit huh?
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How about you stop being a pussy and post this on your main account?
It's probably that little bitch Sevastase.
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It's probably that little bitch Sevastase.
LOL, now sevastase is the one that tells it like it is on his sevastase account, why wouldhe need another one.
I think it is mesmorph78.
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How about you stop being a pussy and post this on your main account?
Unlike your claim of Mr natural of the universe, I can tell you that was my first post on Getbig.... And if I was another member that did indeed do that, it would be almost as pathetic as your claims..
Yes, you can drink the winny
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LOL, now sevastase is the one that tells it like it is on his sevastase account, why wouldhe need another one.
This is true.
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LOL, now sevastase is the one that tells it like it is on his sevastase account, why wouldhe need another one.
I think it is mesmorph78.
No Sevastase kisses the ass of a few guys around here and follows them around like a lost dog. He's trying really hard to be one of the cool kids on the block.
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No Sevastase kisses the ass of a few guys around here and follows them around like a lost dog. He's trying really hard to be one of the cool kids on the block.
So because he wants to be friends with Meso, Groink and Ursus he creates a gimmick to critisize their natural status?
You're not only ugly, you're also dumb.
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Unlike your claim of Mr natural of the universe, I can tell you that was my first post on Getbig.... And if I was another member that did indeed do that, it would be almost as pathetic as your claims..
Yes, you can drink the winny
Well I'm convinced. ::)
Happy trolling...gimmick
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So because he wants to be friends with Meso, Groink and Ursus he creates a gimmick to critisize their natural status?
You're not only ugly, you're also dumb.
You're just like Sevastase.
Act fake to impress people.
Put on a front to appear cool.
Just give it a rest dude. Or maybe it's so ingrained into you that you don't even realize it?
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Well I'm convinced. ::)
Happy trolling...gimmick
How old are you?? 40 something?? You want to take away your lifetime natural status just to tighten up a bit with winny?
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You're just like Sevastase.
Act fake to impress people.
Put on a front to appear cool.
Just give it a rest dude. Or maybe it's so ingrained into you that you don't even realize it?
LOL, nice try.
I guess you can find out for yourself when you come to Tokyo in July to beat me up. ::) ::)
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I recommend beginning a 3 Phase Project.
LMAO!!!!! And don't forget the all important "polishing" phase.
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Great Groink, so now, after 1000 years of being "Mr.Natural" you suddenly want to start a cycle just to "harden up", even though you're @ 15% and would look pretty fucking hard dieted down to 240 by yourself.
All those years, what a waste
I am disappointed.
Looks like the mighty X has been visiting the dark side. Good job. Noticeable improvement.
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as natural as vince goodrums sexual preference.
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LOL!!!! Fuckin hilarious. I imagine this has already happened a few times already because of your posts here.
Yeah, I ended up getting some Italian sausage and cans of Minestrone soup. More people need to read the bible. Especially sources.
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Looks like the mighty X has been visiting the dark side. Good job. Noticeable improvement.
LOL. Au naturel broski, but thanks for the compliment.
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Are we of the consensus that Steve Reeves was natural?
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Are we of the consensus that Steve Reeves was natural?
Bullshit.
If Hitler was on Testosterone, Reeves was as well. ;D ;D ;D
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natural bodybuilding is a waste of resources
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natural bodybuilding is a waste of resources
A waste of time it is, i wonder where i could be now if i had started to juice 5 years ago. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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naturals are living a riddle they can't possibly hope to solve
only once they start juicing does the answer reveal itself
a life of futility or one of unlimited potential - that's the true choice
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I like Groink; I think he is essentially a good person and a sensitive soul. That said, I cannot believe the stupidity -- or is it fear of saying what they can see so obviously? -- of some people on here. Do you honestly believe he is a lifetime natural with 20 inch arms whilst not far off 50 yrs old??
Good gracious, some people are staggeringly stupid and ignorant. If this was a nobody other than forum name "Groink" then he'd be laughed off and destroyed on here posting his pictures, claiming natural status at a point in his life when his natural hormonal output is dwindling.
As for all these people helping him with his "first cycle" - LMAO. He has talked many times about his friends that take and deal steroids. Would he really be asking for roid-virgin advice here? Groink has been posting about possibly doing his first cycle for six years.
HAHHAHAHAHA. It's a game, an internet act.
Wake up - or grow a pair and admit what you all know!!!
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Pretty sure George played with Dballs :)
Larry Scott did, all those guys did, Sergio Oliva, they took em by the handfulls. This guy was no different, except that back then it was considered "legal"
Oh, and he took a shit load of liver tabs and ate a damn lot of eggs.
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bodybuilding is the drugs
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bodybuilding is the drugs
imagine the day markus ruhl gets of the drugs.
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imagine the day markus ruhl gets of the drugs.
he would rather die
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I like Groink; I think he is essentially a good person and a sensitive soul. That said, I cannot believe the stupidity -- or is it fear of saying what they can see so obviously? -- of some people on here. Do you honestly believe he is a lifetime natural with 20 inch arms whilst not far off 50 yrs old??
Good gracious, some people are staggeringly stupid and ignorant. If this was a nobody other than forum name "Groink" then he'd be laughed off and destroyed on here posting his pictures, claiming natural status at a point in his life when his natural hormonal output is dwindling.
As for all these people helping him with his "first cycle" - LMAO. He has talked many times about his friends that take and deal steroids. Would he really be asking for roid-virgin advice here? Groink has been posting about possibly doing his first cycle for six years.
HAHHAHAHAHA. It's a game, an internet act.
Wake up - or grow a pair and admit what you all know!!!
Well thanks for that... I do consider myself a good Guy and that's cool to hear.
The reason I have been " threatening" to do gear year in and year out is because I'm human and I get curious and a little envious of guys who are all yoked up and lean as hell and say " fuck it... I'm getting on some shit too"
Then inevitably the urge passes because truth is it really isn't ALL THAT important to me in the grand scheme of life, and I don't want it so bad as to start poking myself with needles. Ill probably pass on the winny too....I don't know if I'm a pussy or what...but I never pull the trigger
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I'm totally the same Groink.
I talked to an older long term user awhile back and asked his opinion on me going on. He first told me that my build was good without. Secondly, and more importantly he told me that if I was to go on, i'd never be able to get myself off. You'll always wanna do more and be bigger.
Think about the money spent. The health risks. The ppl talking about the huge zits on your back etc.
Natural all the way here.
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I'm totally the same Groink.
I talked to an older long term user awhile back and asked his opinion on me going on. He first told me that my build was good without. Secondly, and more importantly he told me that if I was to go on, i'd never be able to get myself off. You'll always wanna do more and be bigger.
Think about the money spent. The health risks. The ppl talking about the huge zits on your back etc.
Natural all the way here.
my friend,,,HORMONES ARE NTO ALWAYS TAKEN TO GET BIGGER,,IN MANY CASES THEY ARE TAKEN INORDER TO GET IN SHAPE AND LOSE WEIGHT WHILE KEEPING ALL THE LEAN MUSCLE ...WHICH IS IN A WAY GETTING BIGGER OFCOURSE..OR REMAINING BIG,,BUT FELLAS 200LB DO IT ,,FELAS 192 LBS DO IT ,,FELLAS 182 LBS DO IT!
ITS NOT THE WEIGHT THAT DETERMINE THE QUALITY ! ! !
I CAN ASSURE YOU ONE THING THOUGH,,THERE WAS NEVER EVER NEVER A NATURAL WITH 19.5 INCH ARM AT 5'10 THAT WALKED AROUND 10-12%
NEVER EVER ,,
LET ME MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER,,
THERE WAS NEVER IN THE ALL HISTORY OF EARTH ....A FELLA WALKING WITH 19 INCH ARMS THAT WAS 10-12% 5'10 TRULY NATURAL.
LET ME MAKE IT EVEN MORE CLEAR TO YOU THAN THAT...
THERE WAS NEVER EVER A FELLA 5'10 THAT WALKED AROUND WITH 18.5 INCH ARM NATURAL!! AT 10-12%
as i said before friends,,some individuals like to work their arms thats how they start in ymca,,they work arm some felt at times ,,some back at times...but arms is their main thing they do for quite few years ....THEY GET ARMS TO BE THEIR STRONG POINT BECAUSE GENETICALY IT IS + THE TRAINING OF THE ARM,,BUT AND LISTEN CLOSELY TO THIS! MOMENT THEY PASS 17.5 INCHES PUMPED AND FLEXED! AT 10% OR SUB 10% THEY ARE ON HORMONES ....
DIANABOL AND ANAPOLON FAVORTIE DRUGS OF THSOE FELLAS,,TESTOSTERONA AND NANDROLONE RIGHT UP THERE ...FAVORITE COMPOUNDS OF THOSE FELLAS,,THEY CARE ABOTU SIZE AND THATS ALL THEY SEE,,THEY LOOK GOOD WITH TANKS TOPS ON OR WITH CLOTHES BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR SIZE AND THIS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH ARM SIZE DUE TO THE WAY THEY TRAINEED IN YMCA FOR YEARS AND TO THE WAY THEY TOOK THEIR DRUGS!
SO...AS I SAID ANY ONE ANYYYYYYYYYYYYY ONE THAT WALK AROUND WITH ARMS OVER 17.5-18 INCHES AT 10% IS ALREADY HORMONIZED,,,MANY OF THEM BEEN HORMONIZED FOR YEARS....SOME HAS JUST STARTED ...
YOU WILL NEVER SEE TRUE NATURAL WITH ARMS BIGGER THAN 17 INCHES THAT IS TRULY MID SINGLES BODYFAT...NEVER EVER!
5'10 17 INCH 8% THATS WHERE THE BUSS STOPS FOR TRUE NATURALS MY FRIENDS...NOW LOOK AT THE HEIGHT I WROTE 5'10....NOT 5'7 NOT 5'8 ...5 FUCKIN 10
6 FEET WILL GO UP TO 17.5 TRULY NATURALY IF PUMPED AND FLEXED,,TRULY GIFTED GENETIC AND IN SINGLE DIGIT BODYFAT
OVER 17.5 FOR NATURAL...NO MATTER HOW GOOD GENETIC IS WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN TO HUMAN BEING
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im going to go here out of my way and show you comparison pictures ,,let me find it
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maybe groink knows a secret arm exercise to break the natural boundaries?
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I really can't believe that after this guy posts on here for over 5 years and has exposed countless people as not being natural that this topic comes up again and again. I've never understood the fascination with lying about one's natural status but whatever ::)
I think it's funny to see some of these photos and have people think they're natural when the guys is running around at 200+ lbs with capped off delts and 20" arms.
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yeah PEACE OF CAKE having that kind of physique naturally ::)
If it would be "so easy" we would see so many people walking like that :D
shut the fuck up allready!
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you know who this fella is right? ,,i think he is on bannisland now day if nto mistekn someone said here he was,,
in any case this isi mr okami,,he is a bodybuildr,,nwo take a close look at his arm....who does this arm remind you ? lets see does it rremind you ummmm dj arm? ok
ummmm does it remind you matt c arm? okkkkk
ummmm does it maybe remind you simply huge arm? okkk
i will tell you who it remind you ...it remind you groink! arm
okamai was swimming in hormones for many years,,still is,,okami ...this is the look ofo fellas who are gifted in the arm geneti size thats how they blow up on hormones...usualy testosterona and dianabolona....it doesnt mean their other bodyparts are like that because if you notice his chest is weak...and his delts are smaller than they should be,,,so fella like stavio my pupil win against him..but! but! his arm is strong point ,,most likley his quad too...and they blow up well on hormones ofcourse they shrink an inch when go down to mid singles but still will be 18 inches and not 17 inches...
the hormonized lifter has a typical look to skin ,,to face,, to body in general ,,typical oily scent even if take shower 3 times a day ,,even if on tablets! lol the typical hormone user has specific fulness and volumization that can be seen even if flat as puncake due to use of ae and ai...
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you know who this fella is right? ,,i think he is on bannisland now day if nto mistekn someone said here he was,,
in any case this isi mr okami,,he is a bodybuildr,,nwo take a close look at his arm....who does this arm remind you ? lets see does it rremind you ummmm dj arm? ok
ummmm does it remind you matt c arm? okkkkk
ummmm does it maybe remind you simply huge arm? okkk
i will tell you who it remind you ...it remind you groink! arm
okamai was swimming in hormones for many years,,still is,,okami ...this is the look ofo fellas who are gifted in the arm geneti size thats how they blow up on hormones...usualy testosterona and dianabolona....it doesnt mean their other bodyparts are like that because if you notice his chest is weak...and his delts are smaller than they should be,,,so fella like stavio my pupil win against him..but! but! his arm is strong point ,,most likley his quad too...and they blow up well on hormones ofcourse they shrink an inch when go down to mid singles but still will be 18 inches and not 17 inches...
the hormonized lifter has a typical look to skin ,,to face,, to body in general ,,typical oily scent even if take shower 3 times a day ,,even if on tablets! lol the typical hormone user has specific fulness and volumization that can be seen even if flat as puncake due to use of ae and ai...
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No disrespect G... but my arms crush Okamis. Unless he really blew them up...his arms weren't his strong point if I remember correctly....that's either a really good shot or he improved them a lot...he was always saying he wasn't happy with his arm development
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the point is even if he is natural, he has been busting his ass 20-30 years, stop saying it's "easy" :P
even my little bod has required little work, ya know... lol, easy to be 20lbs heavyer of pure muscle :D
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my friend,,,HORMONES ARE NTO ALWAYS TAKEN TO GET BIGGER,,IN MANY CASES THEY ARE TAKEN INORDER TO GET IN SHAPE AND LOSE WEIGHT WHILE KEEPING ALL THE LEAN MUSCLE ...WHICH IS IN A WAY GETTING BIGGER OFCOURSE..OR REMAINING BIG,,BUT FELLAS 200LB DO IT ,,FELAS 192 LBS DO IT ,,FELLAS 182 LBS DO IT!
ITS NOT THE WEIGHT THAT DETERMINE THE QUALITY ! ! !
I CAN ASSURE YOU ONE THING THOUGH,,THERE WAS NEVER EVER NEVER A NATURAL WITH 19.5 INCH ARM AT 5'10 THAT WALKED AROUND 10-12%
NEVER EVER ,,
LET ME MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER,,
THERE WAS NEVER IN THE ALL HISTORY OF EARTH ....A FELLA WALKING WITH 19 INCH ARMS THAT WAS 10-12% 5'10 TRULY NATURAL.
LET ME MAKE IT EVEN MORE CLEAR TO YOU THAN THAT...
THERE WAS NEVER EVER A FELLA 5'10 THAT WALKED AROUND WITH 18.5 INCH ARM NATURAL!! AT 10-12%
as i said before friends,,some individuals like to work their arms thats how they start in ymca,,they work arm some felt at times ,,some back at times...but arms is their main thing they do for quite few years ....THEY GET ARMS TO BE THEIR STRONG POINT BECAUSE GENETICALY IT IS + THE TRAINING OF THE ARM,,BUT AND LISTEN CLOSELY TO THIS! MOMENT THEY PASS 17.5 INCHES PUMPED AND FLEXED! AT 10% OR SUB 10% THEY ARE ON HORMONES ....
DIANABOL AND ANAPOLON FAVORTIE DRUGS OF THSOE FELLAS,,TESTOSTERONA AND NANDROLONE RIGHT UP THERE ...FAVORITE COMPOUNDS OF THOSE FELLAS,,THEY CARE ABOTU SIZE AND THATS ALL THEY SEE,,THEY LOOK GOOD WITH TANKS TOPS ON OR WITH CLOTHES BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THEIR SIZE AND THIS GOES HAND IN HAND WITH ARM SIZE DUE TO THE WAY THEY TRAINEED IN YMCA FOR YEARS AND TO THE WAY THEY TOOK THEIR DRUGS!
SO...AS I SAID ANY ONE ANYYYYYYYYYYYYY ONE THAT WALK AROUND WITH ARMS OVER 17.5-18 INCHES AT 10% IS ALREADY HORMONIZED,,,MANY OF THEM BEEN HORMONIZED FOR YEARS....SOME HAS JUST STARTED ...
YOU WILL NEVER SEE TRUE NATURAL WITH ARMS BIGGER THAN 17 INCHES THAT IS TRULY MID SINGLES BODYFAT...NEVER EVER!
5'10 17 INCH 8% THATS WHERE THE BUSS STOPS FOR TRUE NATURALS MY FRIENDS...NOW LOOK AT THE HEIGHT I WROTE 5'10....NOT 5'7 NOT 5'8 ...5 FUCKIN 10
6 FEET WILL GO UP TO 17.5 TRULY NATURALY IF PUMPED AND FLEXED,,TRULY GIFTED GENETIC AND IN SINGLE DIGIT BODYFAT
OVER 17.5 FOR NATURAL...NO MATTER HOW GOOD GENETIC IS WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN TO HUMAN BEING
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I don't know where you get it, but I too have been in this 'business' a looong fucking time and you nailed it. I have to agree 100% - not to mention the fact that I have my own personal experience. 5'6" at 190 w/ BF @ 11% - arms 17" cold. That was the best I could do at that level of bodyfat. That still is nothing to shake a stick at.
A little dude like me with 17" arms looks above average in any crowd, because not only do you have big arms, but you also have cuts and vascularity across forearms and biceps. Add a chest that actually sticks out past your belly, and you are looking decent.
In order for me to get my arms to 18" cold, I had to be on something. My bodyfat also dropped accordingly.
It's sad, but true.
You can always do the Synthol (which I never will or would) or you can "site-inject" but unless you stick a horse pin all the way in (and I mean ALL THE WAY )- beyond what any he-man thinks he can handle, unless you do that, your arm looks as stupid as Valvolinos or any of the other oil fruity pebbles.
18" arms on a man 5'6 at 9 - 10% is guaranteed "assisted"
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LOL!!!! Fuckin hilarious. I imagine this has already happened a few times already because of your posts here.
Lol. They would be like "WTFONA?"
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you can always count on gh15 to bring the truth- and the pain.
keep up the good work, sir.
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(http://www.njweightlifting.org/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/stanko.jpg)
That's what a big natural looks like, Steve Stanko won the Mr. A and Mr. Universe.
Here was another Mr. A winner, Alan Stephans from the 40's -
(http://musclememory.com/images/vintage/StephanAlan_1.jpg) .
and another-
(http://musclememory.com/images/vintage/BaconJules_1.jpg) .
Clarence Ross-
(http://musclememory.com/images/vintage/RossClarence_1.jpg) .
Thanks to MuscleMemory.com
Notice differences in hardness and muscularity? Seriously, if you've been in this hobby for any length of time and can't tell the naturals from the users, you're delusional. It should be snap of your fingers, instantaneous:).
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(http://imagecdn.bodybuilding.com/img/user_images/growable/2010/10/19/14333432/gallerypic/1E9lsibid5pFL2z477BMFnJZVNqXID696.jpeg)
looks perfectly natural except for a slight bit of palumboism
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I can't imagine going to school with the last name "Stanko" ~
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I donated some more "natural-ness" to him- free of charge.
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/morejuice.jpg)
Clancy sure had a biceps tendon gap. Geez. I can chop that in for him, but it's a little late...
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/clancyrosscopy.jpg)
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stop photoshopping old pictures
at least label them as such
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stop photoshopping old pictures
at least label them as such
Yes, they will float around the boards for another 1000 years and noobs will claim the "naturals" back then were bigger than Coleman.
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stop photoshopping old pictures
at least label them as such
Uhmmmmm... don't tell me what to do, unless you tell me nicely (Jack Nicholson) - I'll PS whatever my heart desires. Mmmmmmmmmmkay Beavis?
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/clancyrosscopy-1.jpg)
Ahhhhhhhhh WTF I PHOTOSHOPPED SOME MORE GENETICS ON CLANCY AND STILL COULDNT FIX HIM... MMMMMMMMMKAY?????
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Yes, they will float around the boards for another 1000 years and noobs will claim the "naturals" back then were bigger than Coleman.
seriously...
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seriously...
Photoshopping is in my blood, but I'll try my damndest to leave the old-time greats alone. K?
Don't expect me to stop chopping though. I'm the Photoshop King, don't forget it. ;D
(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/colemanredball.jpg)
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(http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x263/timeamajorova/freakhouser.jpg)
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Photoshopping is in my blood, but I'll try my damndest to leave the old-time greats alone. K?
thanks man. That's what I meant.
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That is fucking art.
"Big Ron and his Big Dballs....."
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I never did chop on Frank Zane..
I wonder why that is?
He wasn't that big - I guess he was so perfectly proportioned that he would have screwed everything up if he had bulked or done the typical stupid shit that everyone else is doing.
Will there ever be another like him? One that is accepted/acknowledged in the Pro BB ranks?
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oh and dont tell your dealr you want trenbolona and masterona because he will look at you like a you are a loonaateek,, its trenbolone acetate and mastron di propionate,,
leave the trenbolona and masterona balonie to here
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hi GH
how can i pass the drug test on tren and masterona?
i have to clear up my lower back
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I never did chop on Frank Zane..
I wonder why that is?
He wasn't that big - I guess he was so perfectly proportioned that he would have screwed everything up if he had bulked or done the typical stupid shit that everyone else is doing.
Will there ever be another like him? One that is accepted/acknowledged in the Pro BB ranks?
Spot on.