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I hate to dwell on the subject "Dorian Yates" because it has been done before so many times and I made a promise to myself that I would never again get into protracted discussions involving him, but I just had to post this. In fact, I think it has been posted before.
Here is Yates at his absolute sickest conditioning. This, my friends, is how you look when you have not only no fat and water under your skin at all, but none between your muscle fibers also. This is the "pinnacle" of conditioning possible for Human Beings. Branch Warren, who is reputed for his conditioning, could only step onstage with this conditioning at 240 lbs at the most. Dorian in this video is 255 lbs, and yet he is carrying more lean muscle tissue than Jay Cutler at 275 lbs. Cutler only has this amount of lean muscle tissue when he's 305 lbs off-season, and it's too bad he loses about 10 lbs of muscle to go with the 20 lbs of fat.
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SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Looks like death warmed over. Another druggie.
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Look at his back at 1:14. This is so fucking sick. Lol...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Damn he looks about a million times better than Cutler.
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The one-armed
wonder mess.
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Doz is wicked looking here.....Especially the traps and back and calves!
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Damn, if that guy would've had arms he would've been unstoppable. :o
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Damn, if that guy would've had arms he would've been unstoppable.
His arms tapered in at 20.5" at their biggest. Not incredible for a Mr.Olympia but not bad either. As for his torn left biceps, it only really affected him in the front double biceps pose. The biceps are small muscles and they are hidden for the most part in most poses.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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didnt gh15 reacon they were 18 1/2 " or somthing stupid like that.....
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didnt gh15 reacon they were 18 1/2 " or somthing stupid like that.....
Bev Francis measured them at 20.5" in her gym in New York days before the 1994 Olympia.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian looked fucking incredible.
Regardless of what the haters say, his torn bi really only shows up in the FDB. Other than that, arms are slighlty undersized, yes, but not nearly so much as people try to make out.
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He's actually close to death here....weird idea.
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u cant watch that vid and not be impressed....
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He's actually close to death here....weird idea.
How Dorian survived those humungous amounts of drugs he was taking is beyond me.
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I particularly like when he does the archer's pose at 1:30. You can see the incredible thickness of his upper back and traps and it looks like a fucking marble statue because he is so dry that you can almost see the individual muscle fibers in the muscles. This is just sick.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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How Dorian survived those humungous amounts of drugs he was taking is beyond me.
How do all the other guys survive? Why do you assume that, just because a guy is Mr.Olympia, he is taking more drugs than his competitors? Going by your logic, then Tom Prince should never have had any health problems due to steroids, since he was far less successful than Mr.Olympia and thus the doses he took were much lower than Dorian's and since the latter didn't have any health problems, then the former shouldn't either(according to your logic). Dorian took as much as the other guys, and the reason why he looks so much better is because of his particular genetics for losing fat and water between muscle fibers, his year-long training with heavy compound movements using barbell and dumbbells to failure whilst his competitors used mostly machine movements stopping way before failure and his extreme dedication to his diet. All pro bodybuilders take the same amount of drugs: between 2,500-10,000 mg per week(all drugs combined). This is the amount Dorian took. He didn't take more or less than his competitors.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Best FLS of all time, best RLS of all time, top 2 RDB of all time, top 5 side tri, top 10 ab thigh of all time (IMHO)
People might tear Dorian apart saying "so and so has better arms, better delts, etc", but when you actually look at the pose as a WHOLE he looks fkn incredible.
Poses are judged as a whole, they dont score individual bodyparts, and IMHO anti-Dorian people do just that when trying to justify why they think he was given gifts.
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How do all the other guys survive? Why do you assume that, just because a guy is Mr.Olympia, he is taking more drugs than his competitors? Going by your logic, then Tom Prince should never have had any health problems due to steroids, since he was far less successful than Mr.Olympia and thus the doses he took were much lower than Dorian's and since the latter didn't have any health problems, then the former shouldn't either(according to your logic). Dorian took as much as the other guys, and the reason why he looks so much better is because of his particular genetics for losing fat and water between muscle fibers, his year-long training with heavy compound movements using barbell and dumbbells to failure whilst his competitors used mostly machine movements stopping way before failure and his extreme dedication to his diet. All pro bodybuilders take the same amount of drugs: between 2,500-10,000 mg per week(all drugs combined). This is the amount Dorian took. He didn't take more or less than his competitors.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Everyone in the industry knows that Dorian took the drug abuse to a whole new level.
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How do all the other guys survive? Why do you assume that, just because a guy is Mr.Olympia, he is taking more drugs than his competitors? Going by your logic, then Tom Prince should never have had any health problems due to steroids, since he was far less successful than Mr.Olympia and thus the doses he took were much lower than Dorian's and since the latter didn't have any health problems, then the former shouldn't either(according to your logic). Dorian took as much as the other guys, and the reason why he looks so much better is because of his particular genetics for losing fat and water between muscle fibers, his year-long training with heavy compound movements using barbell and dumbbells to failure whilst his competitors used mostly machine movements stopping way before failure and his extreme dedication to his diet. All pro bodybuilders take the same amount of drugs: between 2,500-10,000 mg per week(all drugs combined). This is the amount Dorian took. He didn't take more or less than his competitors.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Lol.
Thats a pretty big range there. lol.
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Everyone in the industry knows that Dorian took the drug abuse to a whole new level.
Maybe in 1993 when he was the first man of average height to step onstage ripped at close to 260 lbs, but this is 1996. All the guys had blowed up to Dorian's size and beyond - Jean-Pierre Fux was 280 lbs at 5'10 - so I doubt the reason Dorian looked so great is because of more/greater drugs. Also, Dorian said he could have come at that size years before, but didn't because he was overdieting. He said that the main reason why he gained 15 lean pounds between 1992 and 1993 - he was 242 lbs for the 1992 Olympia and 257 lbs for the 1993 Olympia - is because he didn't overdiet in 1993. He actually said that people assume he made some great drug breakthrough that allowed him to gain all that mass, but he said it was simply a matter of diet.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Everyone in the industry knows that Dorian took the drug abuse to a whole new level.
Why has no one been able to top Yates in nearly 20 years? Has drug use gone down since Dorian competed?
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:o :o
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by todays standards hes 4 weeks out
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Best FLS of all time, best RLS of all time, top 2 RDB of all time, top 5 side tri, top 10 ab thigh of all time (IMHO)
People might tear Dorian apart saying "so and so has better arms, better delts, etc", but when you actually look at the pose as a WHOLE he looks fkn incredible.
Poses are judged as a whole, they dont score individual bodyparts, and IMHO anti-Dorian people do just that when trying to justify why they think he was given gifts.
ok, ok we get it you like Dorian. ;D
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WOW - looks like a mix of Ken Shamrock, Freddy Krueger, Earth Titan and anatomy chart.
His posing is ace... power- and somewhat graceful.
Very good structure also.
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How do all the other guys survive? Why do you assume that, just because a guy is Mr.Olympia, he is taking more drugs than his competitors? Going by your logic, then Tom Prince should never have had any health problems due to steroids, since he was far less successful than Mr.Olympia and thus the doses he took were much lower than Dorian's and since the latter didn't have any health problems, then the former shouldn't either(according to your logic). Dorian took as much as the other guys, and the reason why he looks so much better is because of his particular genetics for losing fat and water between muscle fibers, his year-long training with heavy compound movements using barbell and dumbbells to failure whilst his competitors used mostly machine movements stopping way before failure and his extreme dedication to his diet. All pro bodybuilders take the same amount of drugs: between 2,500-10,000 mg per week(all drugs combined). This is the amount Dorian took. He didn't take more or less than his competitors.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You can't possibly know how much Dorian took, but if you don't believe Dorian started the huge drug abuse in bodybuilding alongside nasser, fux, etc. you're out of your mind.
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ok, ok we get it you like Dorian. ;D
;D
Ok, ok, we get it, you dont like Dorian.
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Ying and Yang my friend, balance.
For every 1 of you and Hulkster, there is 1 of me and ND.
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by todays standards hes 4 weeks out
And here we have the winner of the MSGDPOTY*
SUCKMYMUSCLE
*Most stupid god damn post of the year
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Good choice of words: "protracted"
I know one thing for sure: Dorian doesn't look so good these days.
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Why has no one been able to top Yates in nearly 20 years? Has drug use gone down since Dorian competed?
Because only Dorian ate the English Breakfast each day..
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by todays standards hes 4 weeks out
what?
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top 10 ab thigh of all time (IMHO)
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Pics never did Dorian justice. To have seen him in person at his best was a life-altering experience. Like, HOLY SHIT!
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Pics never did Dorian justice. To have seen him in person at his best was a life-altering experience. Like, HOLY SHIT!
This....
I watched him on video for years in amazment as he dominated..then I saw him guest pose right after a Olympia win in 94 then watched him compete at the Olympia... it was un fucken real..his structure-muscle size and conditioning was just crazy in person...when he came out it was like ..ok its over...
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This....
I watched him on video for years in amazment as he dominated..then I saw him guest pose right after a Olympia win in 94 then watched him compete at the Olympia... it was un fucken real..his structure-muscle size and conditioning was just crazy in person...when he came out it was like ..ok its over...
Hi Dorian.
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hahahah this thread is full of those weak minds that bash everyone that looks good today and admire anyone of 15+ years ago.
The type that will go on and on how Regan or some other old president was great, the type who brags about good old days and how today everything sucks.
The Dorian worshiping is sad and pathetic!
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Why is there hardly any Lee Haney worshiping on this board ?
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hahahah this thread is full of those weak minds that bash everyone that looks good today and admire anyone of 15+ years ago.
The type that will go on and on how Regan or some other old president was great, the type who brags about good old days and how today everything sucks.
The Dorian worshiping is sad and pathetic!
The best physiques could have come from any era. Most will say the '90s were best for BB.
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dont think for a minute,gouys werent upping the dose trying too catch haney,gaspari took getting shredded to a new level trying to dethrone haney,and dorian in his quest to beat lee,combined haneys size with gaspris conditioning,and once he was successful,everybody tried to emulate that by upping the dose.
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dont think for a minute,gouys werent upping the dose trying too catch haney,gaspari took getting shredded to a new level trying to dethrone haney,and dorian in his quest to beat lee,combined haneys size with gaspris conditioning,and once he was successful,everybody tried to emulate that by upping the dose.
Gaspari was the glute striation guy, but his genetics never made him look outstanding as far a muscle shape... his conditioning was everything. It looks like he even stays ripped today.
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(http://muscletime.com/index.php?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=39518&option=com_joomgallery&Itemid=202)
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If you haven't watched his Blood & Guts video, you're missing out.
That's what it boils down to. He was willing to put in the continual, brutal training.
Combine that with genetics, and yes drugs, and there you have it. What you see in that awesome video.
Fall short in any of those three categories and you won't be talked about among the greats.
Not going to say he was the greatest, but he is definitely in the top 10 of all time.
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I like how Dorian plans his posing routine carefully to hide his fucked up bicep. He hides it well.
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I'm sorry his abs are nothing special at all and his quads look like shit (remember everything is relative, you just said 10 best ab n thighs of all time ::)), only thing he has in that pose is wide lats and calves.
Seriously, wake up. It's the ab and thigh pose, not the lat and calf pose.
Of course I exaggerate to troll.
The point is from head to toe the man misses nothing, complete and balanced, and his ab&thigh is pretty awesome despite people bitching about his wide waist and gut.
If his ab&thigh is nothing special, why is he (easily) holding his own with Flex and Shawn, arguably two of the most aesthetic physiques of his era in the one pose that kills most mass monsters?
And his quads looking like shit are relatice like you said, IMHO his quads look just fine, odd genetic shape in the middle 2 quad heads, but with a clearly visible sartorius which Flex lacks and Ray's is blurry.
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You can't possibly know how much Dorian took, but if you don't believe Dorian started the huge drug abuse in bodybuilding alongside nasser, fux, etc. you're out of your mind.
Who cares? My point is that he didn't take any more than his competitors. Why do you assume that, just because a guy is Mr.Olympia, he takes more drugs than the guys who finish second, third, fourth, etc? Have you considered the possibility that the reason Dorian looked better is because he dedicated himself more to bodybuilding than his competitors?
Maybe Dorian did up the doses up in 1993 when he was the first 5'10 bodybuilder to step onstage ripped at 260 lbs, but in 1996 his competitors were clearly taking as much drugs as him. The evidence? Both Nasser and Jean-Pierre Fux are only 1" taller than Dorian and they were stepping onstage at 280 lbs. They were clearly taking as many drugs as Dorian or more. And guess what? They looked like shit compared to Dorian. Riddle me that?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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How Dorian survived those humungous amounts of drugs he was taking is beyond me.
How he was even able to get in the gym and train on that mass amount of drugs is beyond me :-\
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hahahah this thread is full of those weak minds that bash everyone that looks good today and admire anyone of 15+ years ago.
The type that will go on and on how Regan or some other old president was great, the type who brags about good old days and how today everything sucks.
The Dorian worshiping is sad and pathetic!
Do you honestly think Jay Cutler looks better than this ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian was probably the smartest bodybuilder that ever competed in the IFBB, his training went against the grain of what almost everyone was doing at the time. And while no one knows exacly what he took and how much except for him, I am sure he was just as knowledgeable and put as much thought in his drug protocol as he did into his training and diet.
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If you haven't watched his Blood & Guts video, you're missing out.
That's what it boils down to. He was willing to put in the continual, brutal training.
Combine that with genetics, and yes drugs, and there you have it. What you see in that awesome video.
Fall short in any of those three categories and you won't be talked about among the greats.
Not going to say he was the greatest, but he is definitely in the top 10 of all time.
I agree that's a decent video, but the leg pressing portion is rough to deal with. His belly is so huge and yet ripped. It's really difficult to grasp what happens to a guy internally while watching him give it his all.
very strange to see ripped abs on what looks like a pot-belly.
As far as inspiration and simplicity, it's a good watch. I always end up wishing some fucking gym around here had that Nautilus pullover machine.
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seriously! my gym has two pullover machines and they both totally blow. how hard is it to get it right?!
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if i recall, jay cutler owned every 'legendary 90s bodybuilder' from 01 onwards apart from ronnie
Brutal low grade quality video with contrast maxed and lighting, its like the british gp, makes everyone look better then they actually were
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if i recall, jay cutler owned every 'legendary 90s bodybuilder' from 01 onwards apart from ronnie
No, he didn't. What do you mean? He beat one or two of the greats when they were far past their prime and he was at his absolute best, and it was a victory by points. And he never came close to Dorian. I think that even Jay Cuutler doesen't believe he's in Dorian's league. Again, I repeat my question: Do you honestly think Cutler ever looked as good as Dorian in this video ??? ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/ronvsdorian.jpg)
ronnie looks like munzer next to dorian, chest thickness, muscularity, conditiong, quads
Only thing dorian wins is calves
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hahahah this thread is full of those weak minds that bash everyone that looks good today and admire anyone of 15+ years ago.
The type that will go on and on how Regan or some other old president was great, the type who brags about good old days and how today everything sucks.
The Dorian worshiping is sad and pathetic!
Because there is truth about that,
fine, leave Dorian and take a look here :
10-11years later, can you show me anything close to this?
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Do any of you guys really think that the current stadard-bearer comes even close to Dorian in this video ??? ??? ??? Serious question.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Do any of you guys really think that the current stadard-bearer comes even close to Dorian in this video ??? ??? ??? Serious question.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You've got a 160 i.q. figure it out yourself bitch.
Seriously man. Your I.Q. is definitely NOT that high. Your posts scream it.
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You've got a 160 i.q. figure it out yourself bitch.
Seriously man. Your I.Q. is definitely NOT that high. Your posts scream it.
My IQ is way higher than 160, and my posts scream it.
And I definitely have figured it out: Jay doesen't even come close to Dorian in this video.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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My IQ is way higher than 160, and my posts scream it.
And I definitely have figured it out: Jay doesen't even come close to Dorian in this video.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Did you know that 1inch = 2.54cm?
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Best FLS of all time, best RLS of all time, top 2 RDB of all time, top 5 side tri, top 10 ab thigh of all time (IMHO)
People might tear Dorian apart saying "so and so has better arms, better delts, etc", but when you actually look at the pose as a WHOLE he looks fkn incredible.
Poses are judged as a whole, they dont score individual bodyparts, and IMHO anti-Dorian people do just that when trying to justify why they think he was given gifts.
He looks like shit, one of the least aesthetic physique of all time.
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Did you know that 1inch = 2.54cm?
Anyone can check that in a dictionary or encyclopedia. It's not big deal. I use the metric and not British system, so sometimes I don't get conversions within decimal places precisely. I still got pretty close at 2.5 centiimeters.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I use the metric and not British system, so sometimes I don't get conversions within decimal places precisely. I still got pretty close at 2.5 centiimeters.
So do I. Do you have Aspergers?
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So do I. Do you have Aspergers?
Yeah, only he has all of the retard tendencies without any of the creativity.
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So do I. Do you have Aspergers?
Only a complete moron would think that knowing by heart all conversions of weights and measures is a sign of intelligence. That would make you an idiot savant and not intelligent. You = idiot. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yeah, only he has all of the retard tendencies without any of the creativity.
I am way smarter than you. Way, way, way smarter.]
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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I am way smarter than you. Way, way, way smarter.]
SUCKMYMUSCLE
No. You are a little fag schmoe though.
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No. You are a little fag schmoe though.
Gota be honest with you, man...I think that you're stupid.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Only a complete moron would think that knowing by heart all conversions of weights and measures is a sign of intelligence. That would make you an idiot savant and not intelligent. You = idiot. :)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
LOL you moron I was poking fun at the fact that the smartest man in the world didn't know this simple everyday fact, nowhere did I say anything about my intelligence aspie retard. Fucking troll
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LOL you moron I was poking fun at the fact that the smartest man in the world didn't know this simple everyday fact, nowhere did I say anything about my intelligence aspie retard. Fucking troll
Ha ha ha ha...meltdown from a towel head retard. Hey, even if I were stupid, I still wouldn't want to be you. Who would want to be a hook nosed, towel head midget retard like yourself?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Who cares? My point is that he didn't take any more than his competitors. Why do you assume that, just because a guy is Mr.Olympia, he takes more drugs than the guys who finish second, third, fourth, etc? Have you considered the possibility that the reason Dorian looked better is because he dedicated himself more to bodybuilding than his competitors?
Maybe Dorian did up the doses up in 1993 when he was the first 5'10 bodybuilder to step onstage ripped at 260 lbs, but in 1996 his competitors were clearly taking as much drugs as him. The evidence? Both Nasser and Jean-Pierre Fux are only 1" taller than Dorian and they were stepping onstage at 280 lbs. They were clearly taking as many drugs as Dorian or more. And guess what? They looked like shit compared to Dorian. Riddle me that?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Again, you don't know if he took more than his competitors or not.
After 1993 Dorian looked like shit just like Nasser and Fux did. But lets assume they looked worse than him like you say, in the sense that Dorian had better conditioning...it was his genetics, drugs and smart dieting. Nothing else I think.
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So do I. Do you have Aspergers?
I got asparagus too. Does that mean i'm intelligent as well??
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Ha ha ha ha...meltdown from a towel head retard. Hey, even if I were stupid, I still wouldn't want to be you. Who would want to be a hook nosed, towel head midget retard like yourself?
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Hahaha whatever, have fun with your everyday social relations. :D
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(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/massturbater/ronvsdorian.jpg)
ronnie looks like munzer next to dorian, chest thickness, muscularity, conditiong, quads
Only thing dorian wins is calves
and abs and shoulder width
and conditioning and tris and size and presentation .....
BUT this was not prime Coleman
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almost had it all, but no biceps. other than that great!!! :'(
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Because there is truth about that,
fine, leave Dorian and take a look here :
10-11years later, can you show me anything close to this?
At .55 it's game over.
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for real,no jay is not better than dorian,the two best physiques of all time are dorian and ronnie,who was better is up for debate,once ronnie supersized,and came in at 290,it would have been hard for yates to beat him,dorian probably could have handled him until that point,but after dorian and ronnie,jay the last two years has the third best physique of alltime,haney at his all time best,might come close,but doubtful.
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In fairness to Cutler, his 2009 version could maybe beat Dorian at his worst at the 1994 Olympia. Jay was at his best conditioning and Dorian was at his worst. Dorian's worst conditioning is about the same as Jay's best, but Dorian was 262 lbs at the 1994 Olympia compared to Jay's 275 lbs at the 2009 Olympia, so maybe Jay would beat him on sheer size. Dorian would still have the better balance and symmetry as well as the superior structure, but Jay might overwhelm him on sheer mass.
But as for the way Dorian appears in this video, forget about it. No version of Cutler comes even close to this. Jay 2009 would look off-season compared to Dorian with far less muscular definition and density, and Dorian had more muscular thickness than Jay ever had here - except for quadriceps. So Dorian blows Jay both on muscularity and conditioning. Game. Set. Match. The only one that could beat this would be Ronnie at his best, and I still think Dorian would win due to superior proportions and symmetry.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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What calls attention in this video is how much more muscular thickness Dorian had compared to the bodybuilders, including the larger ones like Sonbaty. They look like amateurs compared to Dorian. From the front, they can hold their own on width, but from the sides they look thin next to Dorian. Dorian's thickness was the result of many years doing heavy decline barbell bench presses and barbell rolls to failure. When you take into consideration subcutaneous and intramuscular fat and water, Dorian in this video had more lean muscle mass than Nasser El Sonbaty at 280 lbs.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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In fairness to Cutler, his 2009 version could maybe beat Dorian at his worst at the 1994 Olympia. Jay was at his best conditioning and Dorian was at his worst. Dorian's worst conditioning is about the same as Jay's best, but Dorian was 262 lbs at the 1994 Olympia compared to Jay's 275 lbs at the 2009 Olympia, so maybe Jay would beat him on sheer size. Dorian would still have the better balance and symmetry as well as the superior structure, but Jay might overwhelm him on sheer mass.
But as for the way Dorian appears in this video, forget about it. No version of Cutler comes even close to this. Jay 2009 would look off-season compared to Dorian with far less muscular definition and density, and Dorian had more muscular thickness than Jay ever had here - except for quadriceps. So Dorian blows Jay both on muscularity and conditioning. Game. Set. Match. The only one that could beat this would be Ronnie at his best, and I still think Dorian would win due to superior proportions and symmetry.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
yates was not that bad in 1994
just his tan was bad and his bicep injured
but he was very hard and massive
don t compare him to the cutler
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yates was that bad in 1994
just his tan was bad and his bicep injured
but he was very hard and massive
don t compare him to the cutler
^ This.
97 Was Dorians worst year. Torn tri, torn quad, torn bi(s) (Im not sure, but I thought I read that he had torn his other bi before the 97 O?)
One arm was literally deformed in 97. Dorian's torso had gotten even more massive, and his arms just couldnt keep up, not with the tears, so it through off one of his biggest strengths, his balance and proportion and completeness.
97 was Dorians worst year by far. I understand WHY the judges gave Dorian the nod (Still more complete than Sonbatty, even with the tears, going by the judging standard.) but I dont agree with them. I think that the tears were far too bad by this point, and that Nasser should have won.
Dorians body just gave up on him in 97, couldnt take the abuse he put it through, and it broke down on him and his limbs paid the price. lol.
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for real,no jay is not better than dorian,the two best physiques of all time are dorian and ronnie,who was better is up for debate,once ronnie supersized,and came in at 290,it would have been hard for yates to beat him,dorian probably could have handled him until that point,but after dorian and ronnie,jay the last two years has the third best physique of alltime,haney at his all time best,might come close,but doubtful.
Bodybuilding physiques? Nubret, Labrada and the like.
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and abs and shoulder width
and conditioning and tris and size and presentation .....
BUT this was not prime Coleman
hey dude
do you have screencaps from Levrone in that photoshoot?
Kevin looked sick in 2000
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(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3310911&stc=1&d=1304184332)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3310871&stc=1&d=1304184183)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3310891&stc=1&d=1304184209)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3310881&stc=1&d=1304184199)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3310901&stc=1&d=1304184249)
Fckn Diesel was a BAMF.
As far as shredded bone-dry mass goes, Dorian is the fucking man.
Ronnie takes it for pure mass in 2003, conditioning was just acceptable.
Top 2 greatest of all time.
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Fckn Diesel was a BAMF.
As far as shredded bone-dry mass goes, Dorian is the fucking man.
Ronnie takes it for pure mass in 2003, conditioning was just acceptable.
Top 2 greatest of all time.
it's a shame about his torn biceps. If Dorian didn't have any tears and his arms were bigger, I would pick that version over 03 Ronnie as the best ever
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The most amazing thing about how Dorian looks here at 1:14 when he is doing the back double biceps and you can see all of his back muscles, is the incredible thickness of his middle back. This came from doing very heavy stiff legged dealifts and one arm dumbbell rows to failure(200 lbs dumbbells for 8 reps with incredibly strict form). Some bodybuilders surpassed Dorian for back width(Jean-Pierre Fux, Markus Ruhl and Ronnie after 2003), and some had more sweep and detail to their back(Ray, Little Ronnie), but none can match Dorian for middle back thickness. Even Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia, who clearly surpassed Dorian for back mass, still hadn't a middle back as thick as Dorian's. I think that the extraordinary thickness of Dorian's middle back really gives a special look to his back. This and the fact that it seems carved out of rock.
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Always wondered how he kept his back symmetrical with one bicep blown.
Anyone has an answer to this?
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(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3310911&stc=1&d=1304184332)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3310871&stc=1&d=1304184183)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3310891&stc=1&d=1304184209)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3310881&stc=1&d=1304184199)
(http://forum.bodybuilding.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=3310901&stc=1&d=1304184249)
Crazy shots.
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these are probably,the best shots of yates i have ever seen. great photos!
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these are probably,the best shots of yates i have ever seen. great photos!
X2 Impressive.
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these are probably,the best shots of yates i have ever seen. great photos!
they are from dorians dvd disc 2
must watch for every bb expert ;)
if his left arm would just be as good as his right , i think he would be better than coleman
with all the tears it s a tie going with the actual judging criteria
in my personal opinion yates was better (nobody knows how massive he would have been in 2003 too)
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Always wondered how he kept his back symmetrical with one bicep blown.
Anyone has an answer to this?
My cousin tore his bicep before, but his strength and power is pretty much the same as it was before. I'm not sure why.
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My cousin tore his bicep before, but his strength and power is pretty much the same as it was before. I'm not sure why.
cross sectional area of the muscle and the leverage remains the same, and so the strength as well
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hey dude
do you have screencaps from Levrone in that photoshoot?
Kevin looked sick in 2000
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Of course I exaggerate to troll.
The point is from head to toe the man misses nothing, complete and balanced, and his ab&thigh is pretty awesome despite people bitching about his wide waist and gut.
If his ab&thigh is nothing special, why is he (easily) holding his own with Flex and Shawn, arguably two of the most aesthetic physiques of his era in the one pose that kills most mass monsters?
And his quads looking like shit are relatice like you said, IMHO his quads look just fine, odd genetic shape in the middle 2 quad heads, but with a clearly visible sartorius which Flex lacks and Ray's is blurry.
And that right there is the thing with the Yates nuthuggers. His quads are completely fucked up looking, but look at that "sartorius" ::) ::)
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And that right there is the thing with the Yates nuthuggers. His quads are completely fucked up looking, but look at that "sartorius" ::) ::)
His quad has an overdeveloped middle head. ::)
Same as any other bodybuilder that has a muscle that doesnt look perfect... like, lets see, EVERY bodybuilder.
Just like how biceps look different on different people, have different shapes, etc.
Lol.
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His quad has an overdeveloped middle head. ::)
Same as any other bodybuilder that has a muscle that doesnt look perfect... like, lets see, EVERY bodybuilder.
Just like how biceps look different on different people, have different shapes, etc.
Lol.
Rectus femoris.
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Also, as a huge fan of bbing since around 1994, I do not believe Dorian at his best would lose to Ronnie at his best.
He had way too much mid back thickness, hamstring and calf thickness etc to lose to Ronnie. His conditioning was also superior- much drier and equally as ripped.
Ronnie had a habit of appearing EXPLOSIVE when he posed- his body would really come to life- which definitely makes him look awe-inspiring when he flexed, but his body looked somewhat dead just standing there.
He was also rarely in peak shape and usually waterlogged at the time he took the stage.
I suspect he just had so much muscle it was very difficult to properly carb load. Also he grew so fast he never game himself a chance to toy around with his new bodyweight. Dorian grew at a slower rate and thus had a better feel for his body.
All that said, I do agree Ronnie was mind blowing, but since the Ronnie-Dorian debates have waged for years I figured I would weigh in the facts, and the fact is Dorian was more balanced and had only a torn muscle as a weakness. That's it! A torn muscle! If anything the judges probably respected him more because of it.
I will also say Ronnie was a true beast and just amazing in the gym and on stage, but Dorian was a true professional, and Ronnie would never have beaten him.
Show me pics of both at their best, all the mandatory's, and show me point by point how Ronnie defeats him. It is impossible, and is NOT happening.
Dorian was the GOAT and none have eclipsed him, despite the better drugs! It's truly remarkable.
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grand prix tours were always better for the bber ,lots of countries,and a shade off olympia condition which to them was 10 or so lbs which maybe not as dry but a lot thicker and full.
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grand prix tours were always better for the bber ,lots of countries,and a shade off olympia condition which to them was 10 or so lbs which maybe not as dry but a lot thicker and full.
I think that a lot of bodybuilders looked better at the grand prix tours because they missed their peaks at the Olympia and peaked a week latter during the grand prix shows.
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I think that a lot of bodybuilders looked better at the grand prix tours because they missed their peaks at the Olympia and peaked a week latter during the grand prix shows.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
They looked better because the O was diuretic tested and the Grand Prix shows were not..
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They looked better because the O was diuretic tested and the Grand Prix shows were not..
well both good post's to add and clarify to mine,,,even tho if the o was diuretic tested many got free pass or failed and not slapped on wrist,and the missed peak then fuller and sharper from drying out the olympia and not being there best would give a better physique showing on the tour.
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They looked better because the O was diuretic tested and the Grand Prix shows were not..
Sure, in 1996 the Olympia was tested for diuretics, but what about the other years? Why did they always look better at the grand prix shows than at the Olympia???
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you are welcome for me posting that vid and i said this already, Yates best condition.
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Rectus femoris.
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This
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you are welcome for me posting that vid and i said this already, Yates best condition.
I gave you credit, Delta. Look at the first post. I think you posted this some months ago, but the thread got few views so I decided to post this again. This is not like one of those videos that has been posted dozen of times over the years, right? This is only the second time this is posted.
Dorian has here his best conditioning with the best muscle quality. He is as dry as he was at the 1996 Olympia, but with the fullness and also the density he had at the 1995 Olympia. I have seen hundreds of physiques in my 15 years as a bodybuilding fan, at the amateur and professional level, and this is one of the very few times I was blown away by a physique. What we are seeing here is something very special. I think this is a top 2-3 physique of all time. Only Ronnie at the 1998 Olympia could give this a run for it's money...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Dorian in this video vs himself in the famous Kevin Horton pic where he is 283 lbs 6 weeks out from the 1995 Olympia and with better conditioning than most bodybuilders onstage, would be awesome to see.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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by todays standards hes 4 weeks out
If you mean that today's pros look 4 weeks out on contest day compared to him in this video, then I agree with you.
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Maybe in 1993 when he was the first man of average height to step onstage ripped at close to 260 lbs, but this is 1996. All the guys had blowed up to Dorian's size and beyond - Jean-Pierre Fux was 280 lbs at 5'10 - so I doubt the reason Dorian looked so great is because of more/greater drugs. Also, Dorian said he could have come at that size years before, but didn't because he was overdieting. He said that the main reason why he gained 15 lean pounds between 1992 and 1993 - he was 242 lbs for the 1992 Olympia and 257 lbs for the 1993 Olympia - is because he didn't overdiet in 1993. He actually said that people assume he made some great drug breakthrough that allowed him to gain all that mass, but he said it was simply a matter of diet.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I concur , he told me that as well , when i asked him .. "how did you change so much ?" ... "diet"