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Great interview With Tom Prince recorded last month
http://www.rxmuscle.com/radio/RXPowerHour04-21-11.mp3
He names Craig Titus and Milos Sarcev as guys that were known for taking insane dosages of anabolics. 1:11:55
"He'd (Milos) take 6000mg a week of s***" 1:12:55
He also explains how he's experimented with every possible cycle combination and has come to this conclusion:
"Once you got past 1200mg per day total...and I hate to give out numbers exactly, but once you got past that amount, any more than that is just an absolute frigging waste" 27:00
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Great interview With Tom Prince recorded last month
http://www.rxmuscle.com/radio/RXPowerHour04-21-11.mp3
He names Craig Titus and Milos Sarcev as guys that were known for taking insane dosages of anabolics. 1:11:55
"He'd (Milos) take 6000mg a week of s***" 1:12:55
He also explains how he's experimented with every possible cycle combination and has come to this conclusion
"Once you got past 1200mg per day total...and I hate to give out numbers exactly, but once you got past that amount, any more than that is just an absolute frigging waste" 27:00
Maybe he means 12000?
1200 is rediculous. That BS.
1200mg TEST maybe, but not total AAS IMO. Cant be.
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Great interview With Tom Prince recorded last month
http://www.rxmuscle.com/radio/RXPowerHour04-21-11.mp3
He names Craig Titus and Milos Sarcev as guys that were known for taking insane dosages of anabolics. 1:11:55
"He'd (Milos) take 6000mg a week of s***" 1:12:55
He also explains how he's experimented with every possible cycle combination and has come to this conclusion
"Once you got past 1200mg per day total...and I hate to give out numbers exactly, but once you got past that amount, any more than that is just an absolute frigging waste" 27:00
I think Tommy Princess meant 1200mg per day ;)
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Maybe he means 12000?
1200 is rediculous. That BS.
1200mg TEST maybe, but not total AAS IMO. Cant be.
He's talking per day
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I think Tommy Princess meant 1200mg per day ;)
That's what he said?
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He's talking per day
Ah.
My bad. Youre right. Didnt read the thing close enough.
1200/day works out to like 8400/week.
Seems about right.
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That's what he said?
So he did, my bad, just so used to these pro's bullshitting on doses, fair play to Prince ;D
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Great interview With Tom Prince recorded last month
http://www.rxmuscle.com/radio/RXPowerHour04-21-11.mp3
He names Craig Titus and Milos Sarcev as guys that were known for taking insane dosages of anabolics. 1:11:55
"He'd (Milos) take 6000mg a week of s***" 1:12:55
He also explains how he's experimented with every possible cycle combination and has come to this conclusion:
"Once you got past 1200mg per day total...and I hate to give out numbers exactly, but once you got past that amount, any more than that is just an absolute frigging waste" 27:00
That pic is fuckin sick though. Prince had some unbelievable shots, thats for sure.
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all drugs
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Titus and Sarcev top users... hmmm... they both also had worst physiques of 'name-guys'...
And once again we come to conclusion: Genetics are everything.
You can take insane amounts of drugs and be huge, but if your genetics are not there - you're doomed to suck 8)
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That pic is fuckin sick though. Prince had some unbelievable shots, thats for sure.
No doubt.
Best hamstrings in bodybulding.
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That pic is fuckin sick though. Prince had some unbelievable shots, thats for sure.
X2, would do better if he competed today in his prime
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X2, would do better if he competed today in his prime
Probably could be Mr. O in todays lineup.
Makes me wonder if he kicks himself for burning out too quickly, seeing how weak the lineup is now.
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Not really a big deal. 1200mg/day is fairly standard ::)
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years ago in an underground roids book autor quotes about people in eastern europa using 8 omnadren a day due to low cost of it, maybe he was right.
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Sarcev top users... hmmm... they both also had worst physiques of 'name-guys'...
Explain to me how this was one of the worst physiques
(http://www.precisionnutrition.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Milos1.jpg)
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Explain to me how this was one of the worst physiques
(http://www.precisionnutrition.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Milos1.jpg)
I concur , he does look great .
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He kind of back peddled about Milos saying he did'nt know him that well but he was one of the guys most people was talking about.
Here a thread about his cycle,
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=293963.0
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I know guys that TP has prepped. Judging by what he had them take, I would say he is saying what he believes.
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Explain to me how this was one of the worst physiques
(http://www.precisionnutrition.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Milos1.jpg)
Unfortunately, he thought his tiny arms wouldn't cut it.
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Trust me, there's a lot of good bodybuilders, including pros, who do not have any written down cycle and take whatever happens to be available and shoot when it's convenient. There's many who know jack shit about the drugs they are taking. They just take it and see what happens, don't even know how many mg's they take, just draw up a couple of cc's and shoot.
That's one reason I think a "guru" can help - if he can put a little structure to a guy's drug intake schedule, and make sure he doesn't make any major mistakes.
This statement from the above linked thread is bang on....
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damn, bodybuilding must worth all these risks
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If Craig and Milo's were taking 6000mgs a week. Why is that an insane amount if Prince uses 1200mgs a day(8400 a week)?
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:-X
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Synthol in arms in milos second pic.
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Synthol in arms in milos second pic.
What?? No.. that's crazy!
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A year or too ago I never could tell now it stands out like fake tits
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So I guess not missing a workout EVER is not on the top of the list anymore. ;D
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:D
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Tom Prince - master of the wide bathroom stall stance.
Anything over 1200 dicks in your butt per year is too much to pay your yearly gear bill - T. Prince
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1000 mg. in 1 10ml. bottle.
fucking bullshit $$$$$$ and stabbing yourself constantly- like popping pills or sippin' whiskey. Geez. What a waste by contrast.
Look where it got him. Yippee.
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Explain to me how this was one of the worst physiques
(http://www.precisionnutrition.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Milos1.jpg)
He wont be able to - Milos had great proportions - just weak arms but everything flowed well - he wasnt huge huge but still a great build none the less
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Oh yeah... later Milos... not so much :-X
He had too small arms compared to rest of his physique. I never liked him. Never.
Probably good 'fitness cover look' for all you "I miss Zane days" but physique of top drugged pro bodybuilder? Nope. IMO even Angry-Bob was better 8)
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i wrote about this before but titus was a show guest posing years ago and was talking to competitors on how to cycle drugs alot of them were teenagers.
also i knew a national competitor that spoke to marcus hailey about his use and marcus said he went up to 5000mg a wk with test. he didn;t talk about anything else but i thought that was high
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i wrote about this before but titus was a show guest posing years ago and was talking to competitors on how to cycle drugs alot of them were teenagers.
also i knew a national competitor that spoke to marcus hailey about his use and marcus said he went up to 5000mg a wk with test. he didn;t talk about anything else but i thought that was high
i assume he didnt talk about his cocaine partys and addiction right? it was only about 5 gram of testosterona,,which by the way some do!
gh15 approveed
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Synthol in arms in milos second pic.
Thanks for the info, Sir Sherlock
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8)
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i assume he didnt talk about his cocaine partys and addiction right? it was only about 5 gram of testosterona,,which by the way some do!
gh15 approveed
Whats the most drugs (bb related) you know someone to have taken in a week, and break it down not just 'total 10grams and lots of growth hormona'. I need numbers!
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Ah.
My bad. Youre right. Didnt read the thing close enough.
1200/day works out to like 8400/week.
Seems about right.
Learn to read stupid bitch
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ARCE1988
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Synthol in arms in milos second pic.
well, at least he admitted synthol almost send him to paradise....hahhahahahha ha
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Tom did have a fucking amazing physique tho 8)
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He also explains how he's experimented with every possible cycle combination and has come to this conclusion:
"Once you got past 1200mg per day total...and I hate to give out numbers exactly, but once you got past that amount, any more than that is just an absolute frigging waste" 27:00
Let me get this straight. The guy is now saying he was up to 1200mg PER DAY? I don't care to listen to that BS but Prince used to say the most he ever took was 1200mg test per WEEK, along with maybe 600mg Deca MAX! 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off, and 4 more weeks on and then off for a long period. Also swore he never ever touched insulin except one single time, 10IU of Humulin R.... one single shot ever. Growth hormone was also only used precontest and never over 3IU.
Prince always had a bad attitude online. My guess either high as hell or in withdrawal when posting. Liar like most of them. Never trust a junkie. If a guy is crazy enough to IV narcotics it's unlikely he's doing very careful low dose steroid cycles... as if he cared about his health. ??? :D
I wonder what Dante Doggcrapp would say now since Prince personally faxed this very believable (to him) cycle (under 2g/week). :D
Prince looks like Greene in the dose department (bloat, size, etc) so 1200mg day sounds reasonable. Then again, maybe he also had the Flex wheeler gene mutation.
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I just checked promuscle and some say he obviously meant per week, not per day. So I don't know.
Pretty interesting if he accused Milos of using 6 grams a week though.
No Van - I never experimented with mega-doses...
Milos said he only used 500mg of test, less than half that of Prince.
Ah, these pros, funny guys. ::)
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Perhaps he was talking about 1200mg of ibuprofen per day?
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I just checked promuscle and some say he obviously meant per week, not per day. So I don't know.
Pretty interesting if he accused Milos of using 6 grams a week though.
Milos said he only used 500mg of test, less than half that of Prince.
Ah, these pros, funny guys. ::)
I can guarantee he meant 1200/ week...
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I can guarantee he meant 1200/ week...
Chick in all seriousness, remember that bet you had where Tom had claimed his weight was something, I can't remember what, but it was just a tad off? You were a true friend defending him to the end and even trying to get people to bet you.
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I can guarantee he meant 1200/ week...
Listen to the interview he specifically states '1200 milligrams A DAY'
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Listen to the interview he specifically states '1200 milligrams A DAY'
Yeah, thanks Capt Obvious...what he said and what he meant are two different things.
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Chick in all seriousness, remember that bet you had where Tom had claimed his weight was something, I can't remember what, but it was just a tad off? You were a true friend defending him to the end and even trying to get people to bet you.
Had nothing to do with defending, had everything to do with separating a fool from his money....not too amazingly...no one had the balls t pony up.
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omg bob
stop living in the past
the only thing u bring to the table are your boring tales of your dumb glory days
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Yeah, thanks Capt Obvious...what he said and what he meant are two different things.
Oh I'm sorry, now you're a mindreader ? maybe you can tell me what numbers to pick for the next lotto!
I didn't realize you two had a psychic bond :)
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There was a time, up to the mid 80s, when top amateur and pro bodybuilders would take one ampoule of Sustanon a week. That is 250 mg of testosterone. The most they would take was two Sustanon with one Deca a week. And...that was huge!! They would also never take orals with testosterone as it was considered overkill and too harsh on the kidneys and liver. It was 2 Sustanon and 1 Deca a week, or 40 mg of D-bal a day and 300 mg of Primobolan a week. Those were the drug protocols up to the mid 1980s. They resulted in the typical very high quality physiques at between 200 to 230 lbs for your typical 5'10 tall pro bodybuilder, with superb taper, great muscle density and extreme definition that we simply don't see today
After 1984, they found out that you got a bigger bang for your buck by just taking more testosterone with no Deca or primobolan instead of less testosterone with Deca and Primobolan. So the doses of test increased to a minimum of 1,000 mg a week to a maximum of 2,500 mg. They also started to use GH, which up to that point was not very used because it was extracted from cadavers which made it very expensive and carried the risk of contamination by bacteria and viruses. The introduction or recombinant GH allowed pro bodybuilders to use GH en masse for the very first time. The combination of the higher doses of testosterone with GH caused a significant size increase for pro boydubilders, who then started to step onstage at bodyweights between 230 to 260 lbs for your average 5'10 pro bodybuilder, when before that only pros over 6'3, like Lou Ferrigno, would compete at that weight. The size gain came at the cost of less muscular definition, since too much testosterone causes water retention that even diuretics cannot take out, and also the start of enlarged guts, since GH causes the intestines and stomach walls to increase in size. The increase in gut size was not like that what we see today, but it was definitely something that Larry Scott would find unseemly.
Then, around 1995, insulin and IGF-1 were introduced to bodybuilding. The very first bodybuilders to use insulin were Michael Francois, Aaron Baker, Jean-Pierre Fux and Nasser in 1994, in an attempt to compete with Yates in the size department, since he was the first bodybuilder of average height to carry a legitimate 260 lbs package. However, even though the first insulin users started taking it in 1994, it was in the next year that pros jumped the shark and took it to the next level. The result was that the average bodybweight at the 1994 Olympia was 235 lbs, but next year it increased to 260 lbs. The introduction of insulin to add to multi-gram testosterone and GH caused yet another size jump for bodybuilders, allowing 5'10 pros to step onstage at bodyweights between 260 to 290 lbs with barely a sight of fat in their entire bodies. The size gain came with an even greater loss of quality, as insulin causes edema even greater than testosterone blurring muscular definition, resulting in those Jay Cutler-like muscles that are huge but with barely a line on them. However, the greatest loss in muscle quality came in the form of abdominal distension, as when insulin is combined with GH, it results in a synergistic effect where the intestines start to grow like crazy, making a 2% bodyfat man look like he is obese. The frame of an average 5'10 man with average sized bones was simply not designed to carry 290 lbs at 3% bodyfat. It simply isn't. That is the kind of lean body mass that only a 6'10 giant with huge bones can carry without looking completely discombolulated...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Oh I'm sorry, now you're a mindreader ? maybe you can tell me what numbers to pick for the next lotto!
I didn't realize you two had a psychic bond :)
Dont have to be a mind reader...I worked with Tom, he put MY program together...I think I know what he meant.
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Dont have to be a mind reader...I worked with Tom, he put MY program together...I think I know what he meant.
chick i will agree he probably meant a week because 1200mg a day is insane. however i think 1200mg per week is to low for a top pro...atleast in there mind. i would guess the truth is in the middle somewhere
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chick i will agree he probably meant a week because 1200mg a day is insane. however i think 1200mg per week is to low for a top pro...atleast in there mind. i would guess the truth is in the middle somewhere
no...it's not too low, which was his point. That anything over a certain amount, is a complete waste....for a pro or otherwise. I knew guys who blasted WAY more than 1200/ week...NONE of them ever made it out of the local level. I'm sure there are exceptions, but the key is how well you respond to a LOW dose regimine. You're better off with something different, rather than more of the same.
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Chick is saying that he had superior genetics for bodybuilding..... ::) ::) ::) ::)
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Chick is saying that he had superior genetics for bodybuilding..... ::) ::) ::) ::)
Clearly... ::) ::)
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=376131.0;attach=413369;image)
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There was a time, up to the mid 80s, when top amateur and pro bodybuilders would take one ampoule of Sustanon a week. That is 250 mg of testosterone. The most they would take was two Sustanon with one Deca a week. And...that was huge!! They would also never take orals with testosterone as it was considered overkill and too harsh on the kidneys and liver. It was 2 Sustanon and 1 Deca a week, or 40 mg of D-bal a day and 300 mg of Primobolan a week. Those were the drug protocols up to the mid 1980s. They resulted in the typical very high quality physiques at between 200 to 230 lbs for your typical 5'10 tall pro bodybuilder, with superb taper, great muscle density and extreme definition that we simply don't see today
After 1984, they found out that you got a bigger bang for your buck by just taking more testosterone with no Deca or primobolan instead of less testosterone with Deca and Primobolan. So the doses of test increased to a minimum of 1,000 mg a week to a maximum of 2,500 mg. They also started to use GH, which up to that point was not very used because it was extracted from cadavers which made it very expensive and carried the risk of contamination by bacteria and viruses. The introduction or recombinant GH allowed pro bodybuilders to use GH en masse for the very first time. The combination of the higher doses of testosterone with GH caused a significant size increase for pro boydubilders, who then started to step onstage at bodyweights between 230 to 260 lbs for your average 5'10 pro bodybuilder, when before that only pros over 6'3, like Lou Ferrigno, would compete at that weight. The size gain came at the cost of less muscular definition, since too much testosterone causes water retention that even diuretics cannot take out, and also the start of enlarged guts, since GH causes the intestines and stomach walls to increase in size. The increase in gut size was not like that what we see today, but it was definitely something that Larry Scott would find unseemly.
Then, around 1995, insulin and IGF-1 were introduced to bodybuilding. The very first bodybuilders to use insulin were Michael Francois, Aaron Baker, Jean-Pierre Fux and Nasser in 1994, in an attempt to compete with Yates in the size department, since he was the first bodybuilder of average height to carry a legitimate 260 lbs package. However, even though the first insulin users started taking it in 1994, it was in the next year that pros jumped the shark and took it to the next level. The result was that the average bodybweight at the 1994 Olympia was 235 lbs, but next year it increased to 260 lbs. The introduction of insulin to add to multi-gram testosterone and GH caused yet another size jump for bodybuilders, allowing 5'10 pros to step onstage at bodyweights between 260 to 290 lbs with barely a sight of fat in their entire bodies. The size gain came with an even greater loss of quality, as insulin causes edema even greater than testosterone blurring muscular definition, resulting in those Jay Cutler-like muscles that are huge but with barely a line on them. However, the greatest loss in muscle quality came in the form of abdominal distension, as when insulin is combined with GH, it results in a synergistic effect where the intestines start to grow like crazy, making a 2% bodyfat man look like he is obese. The frame of an average 5'10 man with average sized bones was simply not designed to carry 290 lbs at 3% bodyfat. It simply isn't. That is the kind of lean body mass that only a 6'10 giant with huge bones can carry without looking completely discombolulated...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Oh STFU dude - *abuse* has been huge since arnold started dominating - 1 amp of sus , give me a fucking break that wouldnt do shit in terms of bodybuilding
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i always say this,,
you need to be able to get to around 200lb 6% on prop and trenbolona ace and maintain it ,,50-100mg prop,,150-200mg tren ace .....3 times a week...
if you can maintain about 200lb 6% and about means 195-205 ..then you have a very good chance to blow up into the zones you are looking for on the doses i recomeded here before...only when you are lean 200 you can build on it with higher doses,,also make sure your gh is going higher when your aas go higher,,very important because if not ...you will be stuck and boooooooofy look will subside
gh15 approved
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Why do u guys bash bob? He's the only real, up front , exposed insight into pro BB that getbig has. Of course he is going to defend pro bb and all it's lies, but really, be grateful someone from the other side has the balls to even post here. Remember when jay posted about 7 times and then left? Lol let's wait and see if "thegift" will comment on dosages,,,,,,ya right
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It was 2 Sustanon and 1 Deca a week, or 40 mg of D-bal a day and 300 mg of Primobolan a week. Those were the drug protocols up to the mid 1980s.
no way, multiply all that by 4 at the least just for the natties like boyer coe and tinnerino
guys were doing much more than that in the 60's
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There was a time, up to the mid 80s, when top amateur and pro bodybuilders would take one ampoule of Sustanon a week. That is 250 mg of testosterone. The most they would take was two Sustanon with one Deca a week. And...that was huge!! They would also never take orals with testosterone as it was considered overkill and too harsh on the kidneys and liver. It was 2 Sustanon and 1 Deca a week, or 40 mg of D-bal a day and 300 mg of Primobolan a week. Those were the drug protocols up to the mid 1980s. They resulted in the typical very high quality physiques at between 200 to 230 lbs for your typical 5'10 tall pro bodybuilder, with superb taper, great muscle density and extreme definition that we simply don't see today
Hahhahaha, No.
Fkin' 500mg sust a week ??? Hahahaha, twinks benching 225 at gym take more than that LOL :-X
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Yeah, thanks Capt Obvious...what he said and what he meant are two different things.
"what he said and what he meant are two different things."...Agreed, he might have said 1200mg a day, but he meant a week.
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i always say this,,
you need to be able to get to around 200lb 6% on prop and trenbolona ace and maintain it ,,50-100mg prop,,150-200mg tren ace .....3 times a week...
if you can maintain about 200lb 6% and about means 195-205 ..then you have a very good chance to blow up into the zones you are looking for on the doses i recomeded here before...only when you are lean 200 you can build on it with higher doses,,also make sure your gh is going higher when your aas go higher,,very important because if not ...you will be stuck and boooooooofy look will subside
gh15 approved
GH, i dunno if you've been asked this before, but do you think there's any point in training if you're not on gear?
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GH, i dunno if you've been asked this before, but do you think there's any point in training if you're not on gear?
He said it many times: No.
When you're off, don't even bother to train. ;D ;D ;D
Maybe for fun 2x a week. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Again...the point is lost to most with lack of basic comprehension skills to blame...
YES...we all know there are those who take WAY more than 1200/ week.
the opinion was given that anymore than that was a WASTE.
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Again...the point is lost to most with lack of basic comprehension skills to blame...
YES...we all know there are those who take WAY more than 1200/ week.
the opinion was given that anymore than that was a WASTE.
so, why are you still on drugs and eating (steak and eggs at the firehouse) to stay big when your last contest was BC?
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Again...the point is lost to most with lack of basic comprehension skills to blame...
YES...we all know there are those who take WAY more than 1200/ week.
the opinion was given that anymore than that was a WASTE.
per day, honey. not per week.
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so, why are you still on drugs and eating (steak and eggs at the firehouse) to stay big when your last contest was BC?
ouch
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I can guarantee he meant 1200/ week...
So thats test and Prob his off period , so when "on" what were his total test doses plus all the rest ? anabolics ? tren? orals? gh? slin? then there were his narcs ..
I think it was Mike Morris (could be wrong) who said it was an amp a day - 1000mg plus of nandralone a week plus lots of orals depending on the period/goal and that was a base dose then add peptides etc and he said he knew others who took lots more.
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Again...the point is lost to most with lack of basic comprehension skills to blame...
YES...we all know there are those who take WAY more than 1200/ week.
the opinion was given that anymore than that was a WASTE.
Not according to GH14 1/4
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Oh STFU dude - *abuse* has been huge since arnold started dominating - 1 amp of sus , give me a fucking break that wouldnt do shit in terms of bodybuilding
Idiot! Arnold took 250 mg of Primobolan a week and 30 mg of D-bol a day when preparing for the 1974 Olympia when he came in his best shape ever. You idiots greatly overestimate the amount of steroids that the pros took up to the mid 1980s. For them, steroids were only a finishing touch. They worked ten times harder than modern bodybuilders and even Arnold at close to 6'2 competed at only 237 lbs at his heaviest bodyweight ever. This shows just how much more steroids modern pros take than those from that era.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Idiot! Arnold took 250 mg of Primobolan a week and 30 mg of D-bol a day when preparing for the 1974 Olympia when he came in his best shape ever. You idiots greatly overestimate the amount of steroids that the pros took up to the mid 1980s. For them, steroids were only a finishing touch. They worked ten times harder than modern bodybuilders and even Arnold at close to 6'2 competed at only 237 lbs at his heaviest boyweight ever. This shows just how much more steroids modern pros take than those from that era.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
What do you mean "they worked 10 times harder" ?
They did 10 times more sets? Their workouts lasted ten times longer? What?
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I gotta say ( and I'm being VERY serious here ) this is a pretty damn good thread. Very informative, actually. Personally, I don't know enough about steroids to comment on that particular area of the thread. However, I do know, FOR FACT, that pro's of " yesteryear " worked 100000000000000 ( are you getting the picture ) 000000x harder than the pros of today.
Case in point, I USE TO know a top level national competitor that would only train twice, maybe three times in a week. Yet, this guy was HUGE !!!!! Bigger than a couple of pro's I'd seen. Especially his traps and shoulders. I remember asking him if I could train with him. And, man, was I excited ! But, damn, I was lifting twice the weight he was doing with 100x times the intensity level. That day, my friends, I had a reality check. I asked him, " What do you do for your traps ? " He laughed at me and said, ". Nothin'. I haven't trained my traps in YEARS ! " I was dumbfounded. Here was this guy, 10x my size, barely liftin' decent weight, with little to no intensity. What the fuck ?? He just basically stated to me that bb'ing is all drugs. Drugs are numero uno and training isn't the most important thing on the menu. Told me if I ate and took drugs, I could look at weights and blow up ! Lolololol !! Well, it seemed to work for him ! I don't know what he was on, but I do remember him telling me that other top national level competitors ( some, anyways ) were using A LOT more shit than the pro's ! Lol ! Blew my mind !
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I can guarantee he meant 1200/ week...
Not bashing Tom or anything but i know these type of people. What they do always changes from this to that. They never have a straight story. Perhaps that was a slip of his unconscious. He wanted to say week but said what he truly did as in a day. Fact of the matter is we will never know. I have posted pics of my friend who i know is clean and gotten a 10 page thread of flames saying he was lying to me.
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tom is right, around 1200mg is max, anything more is wasted all you get is more sides and body has to cleanse more toxins.. when you max out on this amount only thing that will grow you more is GH
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LOL at this thread ;D
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Some of these responses are priceless....allow me to clear up a few misconceptions boys...
The guys in the old days took as much shit (relative to what they had at the time) as any BBers of any era since...especially since they had 100 percent pharma grade gear at the disposal, and no one gave a shit legally...some of actually believe there was some sort of "moral compass" that they adhered to...? LOL. PLEASE....They took shit by the handfuls, and often....One only needs to look at the stories of Michalick and Grymko for a general idea of the abuse that took place.
It's not like they were being selective of what gear they wanted to take and what not too....had GH, IGF1, and any other assortment of designer steroids been invented at the time, you can bet your ass they would have been taking them too...
as for training...they did train harder...at the expense of training SMARTER, as they didn't know any better for the info tha was present at the time...Overtraining, over dieting, starvation diets using Adepex as a suppressant for appetite, lack of recovery, crappy equipment, etc, etc....gym wise, they trained no harder than the pros
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Some of these responses are priceless....allow me to clear up a few misconceptions boys...
The guys in the old days took as much shit (relative to what they had at the time) as any BBers of any era since...especially since they had 100 percent pharma grade gear at the disposal, and no one gave a shit legally...some of actually believe there was some sort of "moral compass" that they adhered to...? LOL. PLEASE....They took shit by the handfuls, and often....One only needs to look at the stories of Michalick and Grymko for a general idea of the abuse that took place.
It's not like they were being selective of what gear they wanted to take and what not too....had GH, IGF1, and any other assortment of designer steroids been invented at the time, you can bet your ass they would have been taking them too...
as for training...they did train harder...at the expense of training SMARTER, as they didn't know any better for the info tha was present at the time...Overtraining, over dieting, starvation diets using Adepex as a suppressant for appetite, lack of recovery, crappy equipment, etc, etc....gym wise, they trained no harder than the pros
Great post! very informative.
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good post chick
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Yes, Bob is right this time. And not even angry :)
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Some of these responses are priceless....allow me to clear up a few misconceptions boys...
The guys in the old days took as much shit (relative to what they had at the time) as any BBers of any era since...especially since they had 100 percent pharma grade gear at the disposal, and no one gave a shit legally...some of actually believe there was some sort of "moral compass" that they adhered to...? LOL. PLEASE....They took shit by the handfuls, and often....One only needs to look at the stories of Michalick and Grymko for a general idea of the abuse that took place.
It's not like they were being selective of what gear they wanted to take and what not too....had GH, IGF1, and any other assortment of designer steroids been invented at the time, you can bet your ass they would have been taking them too...
as for training...they did train harder...at the expense of training SMARTER, as they didn't know any better for the info tha was present at the time...Overtraining, over dieting, starvation diets using Adepex as a suppressant for appetite, lack of recovery, crappy equipment, etc, etc....gym wise, they trained no harder than the pros
good post, Chick.
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1200 is a doseage that alot of pros could probably cruise at during the offseason when they are eating tons and using gh and insulin. you can get away with less drugs doing that. but come diet time, these guys are injecting in terms of cc's per day.
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In all honesty there is what is termed an "effective dose" for all medications. I should think anything more would be just pissing your money away. And your kidneys, liver, etc.
Sans his dope, Prince is more princess. And that's the truth about all performance enhancing drugs. Tom Prince deserves to be dinky. ;D
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absolutely there is such a thing as diminishing returns. the thing is, steroids are tricky. the more you take the more you can take, and the bigger you get the more you need.
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let's end the thread
Chick, what's your craziest cycle?
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let's end the thread
Chick, what's your craziest cycle?
250mg Enanthate e10d. ::) ::)
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Some of these responses are priceless....allow me to clear up a few misconceptions boys...
The guys in the old days took as much shit (relative to what they had at the time) as any BBers of any era since...especially since they had 100 percent pharma grade gear at the disposal, and no one gave a shit legally...some of actually believe there was some sort of "moral compass" that they adhered to...? LOL. PLEASE....They took shit by the handfuls, and often....One only needs to look at the stories of Michalick and Grymko for a general idea of the abuse that took place.
It's not like they were being selective of what gear they wanted to take and what not too....had GH, IGF1, and any other assortment of designer steroids been invented at the time, you can bet your ass they would have been taking them too...
as for training...they did train harder...at the expense of training SMARTER, as they didn't know any better for the info tha was present at the time...Overtraining, over dieting, starvation diets using Adepex as a suppressant for appetite, lack of recovery, crappy equipment, etc, etc....gym wise, they trained no harder than the pros
QFT.
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Some of these responses are priceless....allow me to clear up a few misconceptions boys...
The guys in the old days took as much shit (relative to what they had at the time) as any BBers of any era since...
Bullshit. Let's see: testosterone, deca, Primobolan, Parabolan,, etc. All these drugs were introduced into the market in Europe in the late 1960s to early 1970s. Even more powerful drugs, like Anadrol and D-dol, have been available since the late 1950s. Anadrol was introduced in 1958! So according to you, the pros of that era took as much steroids as the ones today? So Boyer Coe, Frank Zane, Larry Scott, etc, were all taking up to 4,500 mg of testosterone a week, 1,400 mg of trenbolone and whole boxes of Hemogenin(Anadrol) a day? I am asking this because I lived in Brazil and knew top amateur bodybuilders there and they flat out told me this is the amount they take, and they are much smaller than American and European IFBB pros. Saying that the only reason why pros today are so much bigger is because they train smarter is ridiculous! You are pretty much being a PR for bodybuilding and parroting FLEX Magazine lines. These guys wouldn't step onstage at around 210 lbs like they did if they took this amount of drugs. Hell, horses given pellets of trenbolone gain up to 50% more lean muscle in less than a year without even working out!
especially since they had 100 percent pharma grade gear at the disposal,
Oh please, "pharma grade" is bullshit. A molecule is a molecule is a molecule. A molecule of testosterone in Sustanon is the same molecule in a vial of Reforvit for veterinarian applications. The only difference between pharmaceutical-grade steroids and those for veterinarian applications is sterility only!!!! Human preparations have less impurities than those for Veterinarian applications so as to avoid infections on Humans, but the molecule there is the same. What ignorance. You obviously don't know high school chemistry otherwise you would know that a molecule is a molecule.
and no one gave a shit legally...some of actually believe there was some sort of "moral compass" that they adhered to...? LOL. PLEASE....
Not a moral compass, but what they considered to be safe and effective. They went by the medical handbook back then for doses that were considered effective for anabolism, because steroids were prescribed by doctors and they could not prescribe more than a certain dose. Most pros didn't want to mess with the illegal market, so they went straight to the doctor and asked them to prescribe steroids for them. Arnold especifically said he had a doctor in SoCal that prescribed him his d-bol and Primobolan and he never had to turn to black market.
They took shit by the handfuls, and often....
If these pros knew what modern bodybilders took they would be aghast and appalled. What they considered abuse is a joke compared to what modern pros take. I have seen a Brazilian National bodybuilding champion injecting 4 ampoules of Durateston at once(same syringe), and he told me he would do that another two times that week. That is 3,000 mg of testosterone, and these guys are much smaller than IFBB pros so just imagine what Olympia-level pros take.
One only needs to look at the stories of Michalick and Grymko for a general idea of the abuse that took place.
First of all, they were being facetious. Secondly, in their stories they never mention taking entire boxes of Hemogenin a day or up to a gram of test in one day. Not even close to that.
It's not like they were being selective of what gear they wanted to take and what not too....
They took what their doctors prescribed them, and the doctors went by the medical handbook for doses. That is, 200 mg of Deca a week for weight gain/anabolism purposes. 20 mg of d-bol a day for 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off cycle. Those were the doses of the 1970s. Back then, bodybuilders still believed that big muscles came from training and that drugs were only to help with recovery. The modern idea that drugs do the real job of muscle-building and that the training is just a catalyst started in the late 1980s.
had GH, IGF1, and any other assortment of designer steroids been invented at the time, you can bet your ass they would have been taking them too...
True.
as for training...they did train harder...at the expense of training SMARTER, as they didn't know any better for the info tha was present at the time...Overtraining, over dieting, starvation diets using Adepex as a suppressant for appetite, lack of recovery, crappy equipment, etc, etc....gym wise, they trained no harder than the pros
That is true, but it is besides the point. I am talking about the mentality of the pros of that era compared to the ones of today and not about training effectiveness. The bottom line is that they believed that training was the most important thing for muscle gains and that steroids were just a compliment. That is the opposite of modern pros, who believe that drugs are the most important thing for muscle gains and that training is a secondary consideration. Modern pros give a lot more attention and importance to their drug cycles than to their training. This is the opposite of 1960s and 1970s pros for whom training was the most important consideration.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Idiot! Arnold took 250 mg of Primobolan a week and 30 mg of D-bol a day when preparing for the 1974 Olympia when he came in his best shape ever. You idiots greatly overestimate the amount of steroids that the pros took up to the mid 1980s. For them, steroids were only a finishing touch. They worked ten times harder than modern bodybuilders and even Arnold at close to 6'2 competed at only 237 lbs at his heaviest bodyweight ever. This shows just how much more steroids modern pros take than those from that era.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
hahaha fuckwit - you were there right ? ::)
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I think Chick meant HG as opposed to UG, not vetenarian.
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Bullshit. Let's see: testosterone, deca, Primobolan, Parabolan,, etc. All these drugs were introduced into the market in Europe in the late 1960s to early 1970s. Even more powerful drugs, like Anadrol and D-dol, have been available since the late 1950s. Anadrol was introduced in 1958! So according to you, the pros of that era took as much steroids as the ones today? So Boyer Coe, Frank Zane, Larry Scott, etc, were all taking up to 4,500 mg of testosterone a week, 1,400 mg of trenbolone and whole boxes of Hemogenin(Anadrol) a day? I am asking this because I lived in Brazil and knew top amateur bodybuilders there and they flat out told me this is the amount they take, and they are much smaller than American and European IFBB pros. Saying that the only reason why pros today are so much bigger is because they train smarter is ridiculous! You are pretty much being a PR for bodybuilding and parroting FLEX Magazine lines. These guys wouldn't step onstage at around 210 lbs like they did if they took this amount of drugs. Hell, horses given pellets of trenbolone gain up to 50% more lean muscle in less than a year without even working out!
Oh please, "pharma grade" is bullshit. A molecule is a molecule is a molecule. A molecule of testosterone in Sustanon is the same molecule in a vial of Reforvit for veterinarian applications. The only difference between pharmaceutical-grade steroids and those for veterinarian applications is sterility only!!!! Human preparations have less impurities than those for Veterinarian applications so as to avoid infections on Humans, but the molecule there is the same. What ignorance. You obviously don't know high school chemistry otherwise you would know that a molecule is a molecule.
Not a moral compass, but what they considered to be safe and effective. They went by the medical handbook back then for doses that were considered effective for anabolism, because steroids were prescribed by doctors and they could not prescribe more than a certain dose. Most pros didn't want to mess with the illegal market, so they went straight to the doctor and asked them to prescribe steroids for them. Arnold especifically said he had a doctor in SoCal that prescribed him his d-bol and Primobolan and he never had to turn to black market.
If these pros knew what modern bodybilders took they would be aghast and appalled. What they considered abuse is a joke compared to what modern pros take. I have seen a Brazilian National bodybuilding champion injecting 4 ampoules of Durateston at once(same syringe), and he told me he would do that another two times that week. That is 3,000 mg of testosterone, and these guys are much smaller than IFBB pros so just imagine what Olympia-level pros take.
First of all, they were being facetious. Secondly, in their stories they never mention taking entire boxes of Hemogenin a day or up to a gram of test in one day. Not even close to that.
They took what their doctors prescribed them, and the doctors went by the medical handbook for doses. That is, 200 mg of Deca a week for weight gain/anabolism purposes. 20 mg of d-bol a day for 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off cycle. Those were the doses of the 1970s. Back then, bodybuilders still believed that big muscles came from training and that drugs were only to help with recovery. The modern idea that drugs do the real job of muscle-building and that the training is just a catalyst started in the late 1980s.
True.
That is true, but it is besides the point. I am talking about the mentality of the pros of that era compared to the ones of today and not about training effectiveness. The bottom line is that they believed that training was the most important thing for muscle gains and that steroids were just a compliment. That is the opposite of modern pros, who believe that drugs are the most important thing for muscle gains and that training is a secondary consideration. Modern pros give a lot more attention and importance to their drug cycles than to their training. This is the opposite of 1960s and 1970s pros for whom training was the most important consideration.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I know I'm probably in the minority, smm, but I actually enjoy reading your posts. :)
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Not according to GH14 1/4
retard! 1200mg of total aas is good dose ,,it depends on your fuckin size! ! ! 5'6 240 ....is not something you achieve on 200mg of cyp lol even if it was as fat as you were lol is your lieing ass understand that 5'6 240 = 5'10 270? do you even get it in your head??? you can get great physiqe on 1200mg of aas ,,you can get great phsiqe as i stated before on 50mg testo proioneta every 2 days! and 150mg trenboona ace every 2 day and little masterona here and there...you can get great fitness model physiqe on it ,,you can maintain 195lb 6% on those doses.... this is how much 150mg propioneta and 450 mg trenbolona ace and 150-200 mg masterona a week thats = about 1 gram total aas a week and you can be 197lb 6% ....
I NEVER SAID YOU HAVE TO USE MEGA DOSING TO BE HAVING GREAT PHSYIQE ,,it all depends on the size of the bodybuilder!! for god fuckin sake get it in your fuckin head,, you talk about 5'6 240lb bodybuilder using 200mg cyp you are liar ! you are twister of reality
and! not to forget gh and insulina which go into all time heights the more bodybuilder grow...hgh is very very important in bodybuilding ,,modern bodybuilding,,you stuck 200lb 6% ....you have nicely cute thick and lean physiqe but stuck...what bring it up again??? ummm coach?? what bring it up again? another 3lb on the incline bench lol NO what bring it up again is taking the fuckin needle of the insulina syrnge and put the gh into it and stick it in your delt ! or midsection ...preferably into the muscle as gh15 stated before.. that! what give you the new window of growth that later on 2 months later you can saturate again with lots of hormones as in more aas...and grow again to new size,,and since you were mother fuckin lean 6% guess what ....you wil remain mother fuckin lean only growwwwwwww lean ...
then at a point in time when body cant hold anymorethe increase in size...it wil all go to the gut! that also happen when you introduce insulina to the hgh after some time ,,pushign the food with insulina in ....introduction of more and more insulina with the hgh ...result in growth but the growth will be all over ..thats also where bodybuildgin fail ,,,thats why you fellas prefer the classic physiqes of 80s and early 90s over today mess,,
but! i wil say it again
1200mg of aas total a week can result in GREAT GREAT PHYSIQE
gh15 approved
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hahaha fuckwit - you were there right ?
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...fuckwit. Ok, so Arnold took 500 mg of D-bol a day, 10 grams of test a week and over a gram of Parabolan, and yet his heaviest competition weight ever was 237 lbs at close to 6'2 tall. Great logic there, idiot.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...fuckwit. Ok, so Arnold took 500 mg of D-bol a day, 10 grams of test a week and over a gram of Parabolan, and yet his heaviest competition weight ever was 237 lbs at close to 6'2 tall. Great logic there, idiot.
homeboy never trained his legs and did not take GH or insulin.
the old school guys took MORE steroids than the guys today, simply because they had far more access to them. and they all (well, most all) admit to it too. there are plenty of first hand confessions from guys that were big in the "golden era" about mega dosing. i know one guy on this site who knew arnold personally and has told me some stories about his useage. a few grams of parabolan was common.
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homeboy never trained his legs and did not take GH or insulin.
the old school guys took MORE steroids than the guys today, simply because they had far more access to them. and they all (well, most all) admit to it too. there are plenty of first hand confessions from guys that were big in the "golden era" about mega dosing. i know one guy on this site who knew arnold personally and has told me some stories about his useage. a few grams of parabolan was common.
No. Just no. Bodybuilders from the 1960s and 1970s did not take even close to the amount of steroids modern bodybuilders take. Not even in the same ballpark. If they did, they would all have had more kidney, liver and heart problems than they did. No bodybuilder from that era had kidney and liver failure like many modern pros have(Tom Prince, Wheeler, Don Long, etc). Also, insulin and GH have little anabolic effect on their own. They synergistically boost the anabolic effect of steroids, but they have little effect on their own. If modern bodybuilders took the amount of steroids that the old timers took but simply added GH and inulin, they would be slightly bigger than the pros of old but nowhere close to the size they have today.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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No. Just no. Bodybuilders from the 1960s and 1970s did not take even close to the amount of steroids modern bodybuilders take. Not even in the same ballpark. If they did, they would all have had more kidney, liver and heart problems than they did. No bodybuilder from that era had kidney and liver failure like many modern pros have(Tom Prince, Wheeler, Don Long, etc). Also, insulin and GH have little anabolic effect on their own. They synergistically boost the anabolic effect of steroids, but they have little effect on their own. If modern bodybuilders took the amount of steroids that the old timers took but simply added GH and inulin, they would be slightly bigger than the pros of old but nowhere close to the size they have today.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
nah, GH is extremely anabolic, its the precursor to over 400 different growth factors. it wont make a skinny dude thick on its own, but if your a big dude on roids and havent used gh, it can add a considerable amount of muscle. look at ronnie in 2003 and kai in 2007/2008. thats what happens when you incorporate lots of gh. +20lbs of muscle for some guys. maybe more.
you forgot about that fact that arnold didnt train legs. had he had legs the size of todays guys he would have weighed probably 20-40 lbs more.
just one exaMple, super star billy graham admitted to taking 30 dbol per day along with "tripling up his injectables" at the same time. that right there is at least 150mg of dbol per day. all together thats at least 2 grams of gear. and thats what he admitted to.
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Bullshit. Let's see: testosterone, deca, Primobolan, Parabolan,, etc. All these drugs were introduced into the market in Europe in the late 1960s to early 1970s. Even more powerful drugs, like Anadrol and D-dol, have been available since the late 1950s. Anadrol was introduced in 1958! So according to you, the pros of that era took as much steroids as the ones today? So Boyer Coe, Frank Zane, Larry Scott, etc, were all taking up to 4,500 mg of testosterone a week, 1,400 mg of trenbolone and whole boxes of Hemogenin(Anadrol) a day? I am asking this because I lived in Brazil and knew top amateur bodybuilders there and they flat out told me this is the amount they take, and they are much smaller than American and European IFBB pros. Saying that the only reason why pros today are so much bigger is because they train smarter is ridiculous! You are pretty much being a PR for bodybuilding and parroting FLEX Magazine lines. These guys wouldn't step onstage at around 210 lbs like they did if they took this amount of drugs. Hell, horses given pellets of trenbolone gain up to 50% more lean muscle in less than a year without even working out!
WOW....you're so niave is laughable....
Oh please, "pharma grade" is bullshit. A molecule is a molecule is a molecule. A molecule of testosterone in Sustanon is the same molecule in a vial of Reforvit for veterinarian applications. The only difference between pharmaceutical-grade steroids and those for veterinarian applications is sterility only!!!! Human preparations have less impurities than those for Veterinarian applications so as to avoid infections on Humans, but the molecule there is the same. What ignorance. You obviously don't know high school chemistry otherwise you would know that a molecule is a molecule.
No shit asshole...I wasnt even talking about Pharmaceuticle in comparison to Vetrenarian....I mentioned it in the context of its PURITY...as in...there was far less black market shit out there as it was easily attainable and cheap to boot...as opposed to todays watered down versions, underdosed, fake, etc...talk about ignorance
Not a moral compass, but what they considered to be safe and effective. They went by the medical handbook back then for doses that were considered effective for anabolism, because steroids were prescribed by doctors and they could not prescribe more than a certain dose. Most pros didn't want to mess with the illegal market, so they went straight to the doctor and asked them to prescribe steroids for them. Arnold especifically said he had a doctor in SoCal that prescribed him his d-bol and Primobolan and he never had to turn to black market.
LOL....wow. Heres a newsflash for you champ...they went to the doctors so that they had a legal prescription as a safe guard...that and the fact that the DR's were on the take, making money hand over fist prescribing steroids...you dont have a clue as to what youre talking about
If these pros knew what modern bodybilders took they would be aghast and appalled. What they considered abuse is a joke compared to what modern pros take. I have seen a Brazilian National bodybuilding champion injecting 4 ampoules of Durateston at once(same syringe), and he told me he would do that another two times that week. That is 3,000 mg of testosterone, and these guys are much smaller than IFBB pros so just imagine what Olympia-level pros take.
Yeah...just imagine. youve unwittingly just made my case EVEN MORE with your Brazillian examples....morons taking ridiculous amounts, yet we see none of them at the Olympia stage....
First of all, they were being facetious. Secondly, in their stories they never mention taking entire boxes of Hemogenin a day or up to a gram of test in one day. Not even close to that.
Better do some research as to what they used...you're showing your ignorance once again....Grymkowski was an actual TEST SUBJECT at The University of Rochester back in the 70's...
They took what their doctors prescribed them, and the doctors went by the medical handbook for doses. That is, 200 mg of Deca a week for weight gain/anabolism purposes. 20 mg of d-bol a day for 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off cycle. Those were the doses of the 1970s. Back then, bodybuilders still believed that big muscles came from training and that drugs were only to help with recovery. The modern idea that drugs do the real job of muscle-building and that the training is just a catalyst started in the late 1980s.
Bwahahahahahahahah......
True.
That is true, but it is besides the point. I am talking about the mentality of the pros of that era compared to the ones of today and not about training effectiveness. The bottom line is that they believed that training was the most important thing for muscle gains and that steroids were just a compliment. That is the opposite of modern pros, who believe that drugs are the most important thing for muscle gains and that training is a secondary consideration. Modern pros give a lot more attention and importance to their drug cycles than to their training. This is the opposite of 1960s and 1970s pros for whom training was the most important consideration.
Riiiiight....you keep telling yourself that ::)
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Damn, SMM is so stupid that even Chick can own him.
Congratulations, Bob, that was a good post.
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...fuckwit. Ok, so Arnold took 500 mg of D-bol a day, 10 grams of test a week and over a gram of Parabolan, and yet his heaviest competition weight ever was 237 lbs at close to 6'2 tall. Great logic there, idiot.
Why bring up weight ? he was huge - he used a shit load more than 30mg of dball a day - an amp of primo is nothing - try an amp a day.
Theres an interview with him in a 81 M & F where he talks about making a huge fuck up before getting on the plane to go to OZ - he didnt stop his Abombs and when he landed in OZ the water from the trip plus the A-50s had him holding water like a pregnant mother , as time progressed the water started to drop but he couldnt get it off his lower limbs,so he spent the whole night prior in the hotel room doing star jumps running on the spot sit ups etc etc to try and drop it and he got no sleep - so genious that was from his own mouth told in an interview which pretty much blows your shit theory out of the water , if he was using a50 you can bet your bottom doller he was using a fuck load more stuff previous to that..
Primo was his favoured pre contest drug at an amp a day = 700mg a week.
You do not know wtf you are talking about re: drugs , the other day you were claiming all they took was an amp a day of sus - hahaha you are nuts - you are not Bluto are you ?
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Why bring up weight ? he was huge - he used a shit load more than 30mg of dball a day - an amp of primo is nothing - try an amp a day.
Theres an interview with him in a 81 M & F where he talks about making a huge fuck up before getting on the plane to go to OZ - he didnt stop his Abombs and when he landed in OZ the water from the trip plus the A-50s had him holding water like a pregnant mother , as time progressed the water started to drop but he couldnt get it off his lower limbs,so he spent the whole night prior in the hotel room doing star jumps running on the spot sit ups etc etc to try and drop it and he got no sleep - so genious that was from his own mouth told in an interview which pretty much blows your shit theory out of the water , if he was using a50 you can bet your bottom doller he was using a fuck load more stuff previous to that..
Primo was his favoured pre contest drug at an amp a day = 700mg a week.
You do not know wtf you are talking about re: drugs , the other day you were claiming all they took was an amp a day of sus - hahaha you are nuts - you are not Bluto are you ?
haahaha, even Bluto wasn't that delusional.
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Bullshit. Let's see: testosterone, deca, Primobolan, Parabolan,, etc. All these drugs were introduced into the market in Europe in the late 1960s to early 1970s. Even more powerful drugs, like Anadrol and D-dol, have been available since the late 1950s. Anadrol was introduced in 1958! So according to you, the pros of that era took as much steroids as the ones today? So Boyer Coe, Frank Zane, Larry Scott, etc, were all taking up to 4,500 mg of testosterone a week, 1,400 mg of trenbolone and whole boxes of Hemogenin(Anadrol) a day? I am asking this because I lived in Brazil and knew top amateur bodybuilders there and they flat out told me this is the amount they take, and they are much smaller than American and European IFBB pros. Saying that the only reason why pros today are so much bigger is because they train smarter is ridiculous! You are pretty much being a PR for bodybuilding and parroting FLEX Magazine lines. These guys wouldn't step onstage at around 210 lbs like they did if they took this amount of drugs. Hell, horses given pellets of trenbolone gain up to 50% more lean muscle in less than a year without even working out!
Oh please, "pharma grade" is bullshit. A molecule is a molecule is a molecule. A molecule of testosterone in Sustanon is the same molecule in a vial of Reforvit for veterinarian applications. The only difference between pharmaceutical-grade steroids and those for veterinarian applications is sterility only!!!! Human preparations have less impurities than those for Veterinarian applications so as to avoid infections on Humans, but the molecule there is the same. What ignorance. You obviously don't know high school chemistry otherwise you would know that a molecule is a molecule.
Not a moral compass, but what they considered to be safe and effective. They went by the medical handbook back then for doses that were considered effective for anabolism, because steroids were prescribed by doctors and they could not prescribe more than a certain dose. Most pros didn't want to mess with the illegal market, so they went straight to the doctor and asked them to prescribe steroids for them. Arnold especifically said he had a doctor in SoCal that prescribed him his d-bol and Primobolan and he never had to turn to black market.
If these pros knew what modern bodybilders took they would be aghast and appalled. What they considered abuse is a joke compared to what modern pros take. I have seen a Brazilian National bodybuilding champion injecting 4 ampoules of Durateston at once(same syringe), and he told me he would do that another two times that week. That is 3,000 mg of testosterone, and these guys are much smaller than IFBB pros so just imagine what Olympia-level pros take.
First of all, they were being facetious. Secondly, in their stories they never mention taking entire boxes of Hemogenin a day or up to a gram of test in one day. Not even close to that.
They took what their doctors prescribed them, and the doctors went by the medical handbook for doses. That is, 200 mg of Deca a week for weight gain/anabolism purposes. 20 mg of d-bol a day for 4 weeks on, 2 weeks off cycle. Those were the doses of the 1970s. Back then, bodybuilders still believed that big muscles came from training and that drugs were only to help with recovery. The modern idea that drugs do the real job of muscle-building and that the training is just a catalyst started in the late 1980s.
True.
That is true, but it is besides the point. I am talking about the mentality of the pros of that era compared to the ones of today and not about training effectiveness. The bottom line is that they believed that training was the most important thing for muscle gains and that steroids were just a compliment. That is the opposite of modern pros, who believe that drugs are the most important thing for muscle gains and that training is a secondary consideration. Modern pros give a lot more attention and importance to their drug cycles than to their training. This is the opposite of 1960s and 1970s pros for whom training was the most important consideration.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Lol. You're a dilusional quiff with way too much time on your hands...lol.
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WOW....you're so niave is laughable....
Wow, brilliant refutation to my points right there. Einstein is jealous of your wit and
insight. :-\
No shit asshole...I wasnt even talking about Pharmaceuticle in comparison to Vetrenarian....I mentioned it in the context of its PURITY...as in...there was far less black market shit out there as it was easily attainable and cheap to boot...as opposed to todays watered down versions, underdosed, fake, etc...talk about ignorance
Steroids are either fake or real, you fucking retard. Black market steroids that are real are just as good as those prescribed dy doctors. If a steroid from China or India says 200 mg on the cover and they are not fake, they will contain the same amount of the exact same substance as the more expensive American version that also says 200 mg. "Pharmaceutical grade" is bullshit. It is one of those lyman expressions that don't mean shit. Go ask a chemist or a pharmacist if there is such a thing as pharmaceutical-grade testosterone and shitty testosterone.
LOL....wow. Heres a newsflash for you champ...they went to the doctors so that they had a legal prescription as a safe guard...that and the fact that the DR's were on the take, making money hand over fist prescribing steroids...you dont have a clue as to what youre talking about
Yeah, because if a pro is caught with 100 ampoules of Sustanon, his prescription for one or two ampoules will free him of trouble with the law. For fuck sake, man, you are too dumb even for a pro bodybuilder.
Yeah...just imagine. youve unwittingly just made my case EVEN MORE with your Brazillian examples....morons taking ridiculous amounts, yet we see none of them at the Olympia stage....
Yes, because the Olympia pros who are much bigger than them are taking less than them. Yes, because it is them pushing harder on those sets of cable pullovers and pec deck flyes that is allowing them to be much bigger than the bodybuilders I mentioned with much lower doses of drugs. For fuck sake, are you serious with this shit or are you thin stupid? :-\
Better do some research as to what they used...you're showing your ignorance once again....Grymkowski was an actual TEST SUBJECT at The University of Rochester back in the 70's...
Yeah, and a test subject at an university would be given more steroids than what modern pros take. I mean, it's not like university studiies protocols have to follow the law or anything. Chick, you truly are the living embodiment of the stereotype of the bodybuilder, you know? Could you be more of a musclehead? Oh yeah, wait, you were never very good at building muscles either. ;D ;D
Bwahahahahahahahah......
Retards love to laugh for no reasons...
Riiiiight....you keep telling yourself that
You keep telling yourself that the modern 280 lbs pros take less drugs than those pros from the 1970s who competed at 210 lbs. You are either a cynical liar or stupid. Probably both.
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Damn, SMM is so stupid that even Chick can own him.
Congratulations, Bob, that was a good post.
You are so spiteful and also childish. Like an adult toddler. Always seeking internet revenge like a retard.
Hey, Donkey, how are your efforts to demod me going? You are one to talk of being stupid. LOLOLOLOLOL.
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You are so spiteful and also childish. Like an adult toddler. Always seeking internet revenge like a retard.
Hey, Donkey, how are your efforts to demod me going? You are one to talk of being stupid. LOLOLOLOLOL.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Keep rolling your eyes, because that is the only reply you've got. Face it: you got owned kid. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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You keep telling yourself that the modern 280 lbs pros take less drugs than those pros from the 1970s who competed at 210 lbs. You are either a cynical liar or stupid. Probably both.
I have to agree with SMM here.
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Keep rolling your eyes, because that is the only reply you've got. Face it: you got owned kid. ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Cry more!!!! Cry more!!!! Cry more!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cry mooooooooooooooore!!!!!!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Cry more!!!! Cry more!!!! Cry more!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cry mooooooooooooooore!!!!!!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Is that a meltdown?
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Just as an aside, the average dosing for Track and Field athletes and Footballers during the 70's was around 1000mg to 1500mg/wk of assorted steriods for the most part, with some going much higher(Ken Patera once joking said something to the affect of the only thing keeping him from winning the Olympics was that he couldn't afford his pharmacy bill). One has to think that bodybuilders were doing the same if not more during that time given the nature of the hobby. Also while I do agree that Bodybuilders have upped the dose quite a bit, I think that doesn't make that much difference as the discovery of Insulin and Gh, and the synergistic effect of all 3 drugs together. People didn't have a handle on how to effectively use them till relatively recently. I'd venture to guess that adds another #30-40 pounds on to the pros of today.
90% of the old timers lie, they just don't want to admit things that might make their accompishment's seem less worthy to a modern eye.
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My goodness-less any other getbiggers think there is any validity to what you are saying- firstly Sustenon is TESTOSTERONE while Reforvit-B (notice the B) is a liquid dianabol/vitamin B combination.
And how does this change the validity of anything I've said? I just used that as an example, retard. Has it occured to you that I could have used google and typed "veterinay testosterone" and easily gotten the name of several testosterone veterinary drugs? I said Reforvit because it was the first name that came to my mind, and I didn't even bother checking whether that was testosterone or not. That does not change the validity of any of the points I've made. As for me not knowing anything about steroids, trust me, I have taken everything you can imagine and I know more of the pharmacology than your "bro science" hero, GH15, could dream of. But keep worshipping at his dick. You and Donkey are the two biggest GH15 bitches in this board.
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Wow, brilliant refutation to my points right there. Einstein is jealous of your wit and
insight. :-\
Steroids are either fake or real, you fucking retard. Black market steroids that are real are just as good as those prescribed dy doctors. If a steroid from China or India says 200 mg on the cover and they are not fake, they will contain the same amount of the exact same substance as the more expensive American version that also says 200 mg. "Pharmaceutical grade" is bullshit. It is one of those lyman expressions that don't mean shit. Go ask a chemist or a pharmacist if there is such a thing as pharmaceutical-grade testosterone and shitty testosterone.
LOL...really? I didnt know we could count on some shit being mixed up in some retards basement to be dead on the money...blackmarket test which is underdosed and mixed with linseed oil containing 50 mg. but label says 200 mg. real or fake?
Yeah, because if a pro is caught with 100 ampoules of Sustanon, his prescription for one or two ampoules will free him of trouble with the law. For fuck sake, man, you are too dumb even for a pro bodybuilder.
Again...youre talking out of your ass...the Dr.s would write pretty much unlimited RX, as they were making money on them, and they didnt have to answer to anyone back then...After 91 that changed.
Yes, because the Olympia pros who are much bigger than them are taking less than them. Yes, because it is them pushing harder on those sets of cable pullovers and pec deck flyes that is allowing them to be much bigger than the bodybuilders I mentioned with much lower doses of drugs. For fuck sake, are you serious with this shit or are you thin stupid? :-\
The Olympia pros have a much better genetic response to the same amount of shit...thought that was pretty much a given....to those who arent mentally challenged
Yeah, and a test subject at an university would be given more steroids than what modern pros take. I mean, it's not like university studiies protocols have to follow the law or anything. Chick, you truly are the living embodiment of the stereotype of the bodybuilder, you know? Could you be more of a musclehead? Oh yeah, wait, you were never very good at building muscles either. ;D ;D
Gyrmko took truckloads of steroids...point again being that they (as a whole) took far more back then then your naive little ass believes...you're the only fool here that actually believes that Basile really only took "2 DBol a day for a few weeks..." LOL
Retards love to laugh for no reasons...
Yeah....anyway...since youve proven yourself to pretty much believe anything...I've got a lotterty ticket I'm waiting on, but I need your bank account number to be able to process it, I'll cut you in on it...
You keep telling yourself that the modern 280 lbs pros take less drugs than those pros from the 1970s who competed at 210 lbs. You are either a cynical liar or stupid. Probably both.
I never said they take less, I said the 70's guys took just as much as those of today...of what they had access to. Had GH, IGF, Insulin, etc been around back then, they would have been 30 lbs heavier....Just as those guys in the 70's were 20 plus pounds heavier than those in the 50's
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Keep living in Fantasyland kid....sure beats reality, I guess. ::)
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All the things you mentioned were so retarded and nonsensical that they are not even worth addressing. I am actually embarassed for you. I will address the one point that isn't completely idiotic - although wrong, nevertheless.
The Olympia pros have a much better genetic response to the same amount of shit...thought that was pretty much a given....to those who arent mentally challenged
I don't know if you are aware of this, you stupid baboon, but with the exception of Cutler, who has relatively big bones, the typical pro who competes at the Olympia is an ectomorph with thin bones and muscles. Have you ever seen pictures of what these guys looked like before they took up bodybuilding? There are hundreds of big boned guys with naturally thick muscles who take over 2,000 mg of test a week and are never even 250 lbs ripped, and yet you proclaim that all those naturally frail pros who are 280 lbs at single-digit bodyfat take less or just as much as these guys take. Let me ask you a question: does the IFBB know that your roam internet boards boldly lying ???
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All the things you mentioned were so retarded and nonsensical that they are not even worth addressing. I am actually embarassed for you. I will address the one point that isn't completely idiotic - although wrong, nevertheless.
I don't know if you are aware of this, you stupid baboon, but with the exception of Cutler, who has relatively big bones, the typical pro who competes at the Olympia is an ectomorph with thin bones and muscles. Have you ever seen pictures of what these guys looked like before they took up bodybuilding? There are hundreds of big boned guys with naturally thick muscles who take over 2,000 mg of test a week and are never even 250 lbs ripped, and yet you proclaim that all those naturally frail pros who are 280 lbs at single-digit bodyfat take less or just as much as these guys take. Let me ask you a question: does the IFBB know that your roam internet boards boldly lying ???
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yeah...I've seen plenty of pics from brfore they were BBers...most of us were under 13 in those pics. Funny thing is...in almost ALL the pics of the pros, its apparent that we all had a great response to just training, as evidenced by the development at such a young age...without any gear.
The rest of your babble is just that...non sensicle rambling, trying to dig yourself out of the hole you dug with your initial naive comments.
If you want to believe that all the pros of the 70's had some thing that prevented them from taking more than 1200 mg./ week, despite having them at their disposal, cheap prices, etc...then so be it.
You may to look up the name Tim Belknap in your spare time (you seem t have lots of it)....strangely enough, a BB who WAS taking Insulin at the time (Early 80's) who just HAPPEN to have a physique more akin to modern BBers...I'm sure it was just a coincidence though ::)
You think Zane was nicknamed The Chemist because he used moderate dosages of steroids? LOL... Fortunately, I know many of the the 70/ 80's pro's personally, and have had MANY conversations over the years about this very subject...while you seem to know two things...JACK and SHIT
Please...keep posting in the subject...it's entertainment for everyone.
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Wha?....wait a minute. Here's a pic of Tim Belknap....INSULIN using Tim Belknap from back in the early 80's.
Strangely enough....you cant really tell if he's in 1981, or getting ready for the NY Pro...
Aint that something....?
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Chick gets it. Insulin, HGH, and SEO are responsible for the 'look' of the modern bodybuilder. Steroid doses have ALWAYS been high.
SMM is a fraud & a disgrace.
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How many here have taken over 1200 mg a week? I did it once (mostly test- huge mistake )- was totally waterlogged for the next week, so much so, every cut dissappeared. Had a hell of a time dropping the water and honestly didnt quite do it. Under that amount , much less but still some. Based only on this I have to agree with Prince. Mentzer alos told me he was more refined on contest day if he kept the doasges in the recommended range- noone does that now.lol.
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How many here have taken over 1200 mg a week? I did it once (mostly test- huge mistake )- was totally waterlogged for the next week, so much so, every cut dissappeared. Had a hell of a time dropping the water and honestly didnt quite do it. Under that amount , much less but still some. Based only on this I have to agree with Prince. Mentzer alos told me he was more refined on contest day if he kept the doasges in the recommended range- noone does that now.lol.
Lots of people do that now...especially the pro's who have "been there and done that"...
TP experimented with higher dosages, thus his opinion that anything OVER 1200, is a complete waste. If BBers got beter results at higher dosages, then they would certainly be taking them.
AMATEURS and those genetically challenged, are the ones that take the most...believing that big dosages are the great equalizer....they arent.
Your senario is spot on....unfortunately, people like SMM arent intelligent enough to understand it.
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How many here have taken over 1200 mg a week? I did it once (mostly test- huge mistake )- was totally waterlogged for the next week, so much so, every cut dissappeared. Had a hell of a time dropping the water and honestly didnt quite do it. Under that amount , much less but still some. Based only on this I have to agree with Prince. Mentzer alos told me he was more refined on contest day if he kept the doasges in the recommended range- noone does that now.lol.
I've taken as much as 1800mg/week (test/deca) with no ill effects, and growth was never better. I'm much more inclined to believe that Tom Prince meant 1200mg/DAY.
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How many here have taken over 1200 mg a week? I did it once (mostly test- huge mistake )- was totally waterlogged for the next week, so much so, every cut dissappeared. Had a hell of a time dropping the water and honestly didnt quite do it. Under that amount , much less but still some. Based only on this I have to agree with Prince. Mentzer alos told me he was more refined on contest day if he kept the doasges in the recommended range- noone does that now.lol.
i did 1500mg test with 900mg deca and honestly, in term of muscle gain, it was not really different than when i did 750mg test with 350mg tren. i was heavier and stronger but that was only because i ate like a strongman and put some fat on. gear is no different than any other medecine, you can take a bit more than the effective dosage range and gain more, but past a certain point, all you get is more sides
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I've taken as much as 1800mg/week (test/deca) with no ill effects, and growth was never better. I'm much more inclined to believe that Tom Prince meant 1200mg/DAY.
Its not an exact science bro...nor is there an exact number...I'm sure you did well on that dose....but would you have done just as well at 1000 or 1200? That is the question...and that was what TP was trying to get accross....that he had done more as well, and didnt feel the ROI was any better.
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Yet some of these guys take upwards of 500mgs of ANADROL a day. Anyone with the balls to take that much anadrol certainly would have no problem blasting out 5 to 8 grams of other assorted concoctions of hormones:-\
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450-500mg trenblolona a week,,
500-750mg testosterona a week ,,sustanon mosly build of shorter easters,,
300-600mg of npp a week,,
200-500mg of masterona a week
legit gh on and off 5-10iu a day
have! resulted in some serious top amatuer physiqes in the past and present,,no you wont be walking around wearing 3xl looking liek you stol your little brother shirt...BUT! you will be walking in your 2xl looking like a million bucks and in most cases top bodybuild level of development IF IF! knowing your bodybuilding and consistant
you can have absolitly amazing physiqe on the doses i layed on top there
thats how much a week ? 1.5-2 grams of legit aas + legit gh
key word = legit
should do the trick ...if it doesnt do the trick you will never be a bodybuilder no matter what
gh15 approved
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...fuckwit. Ok, so Arnold took 500 mg of D-bol a day, 10 grams of test a week and over a gram of Parabolan, and yet his heaviest competition weight ever was 237 lbs at close to 6'2 tall. Great logic there, idiot.
Arnold used to take Dianabol by the handfull, sorry to shatter your little fantasy.
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Arnold used to take Dianabol by the handfull, sorry to shatter your little fantasy.
Fuk, imagine how many pills you must have there in bowl... :o
At halloween you could offer them to kids also :D
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450-500mg trenblolona a week,,
500-750mg testosterona a week ,,sustanon mosly build of shorter easters,,
300-600mg of npp a week,,
200-500mg of masterona a week
legit gh on and off 5-10iu a day
no equipona ???
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no equipona ???
Equipona got its ass kicked by trenbolona and GH15 subsequently replaced it in the bible.
Been that way for a while.
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Equipona got its ass kicked by trenbolona and GH15 subsequently replaced it in the bible.
Been that way for a while.
no equipona good too ,,just too much bad quality poweder now day ,,and most of the fellas here cant get vet stuff,,i try to make it so everyone can get something out of their products...
if you have good cook then yes equipona is very good,,but....
the key as i stated is LEGIT HORMONES,,
what good does it do to you if you take 1 gram that in reality = 235mg? or if you take something that came out of ip head quarters that is nothing but some underdosed 40% purity powder...or some 5 mg british dispensary fakes that contain maybe 1 mg in there...and in many times nothing but sugar,,,notice how easy the ip dianabola fakes with the snake and arrow....pay attention how the ones from ip ...how fragile they are,,you can break them so easily its nothing but fuckin sugar maybe little clen inside who knows,, real british dispensary is one tough cookie to break ,,you cant break it with finger,,it is thicker ,,it is made right ,,it is made in thailand not in fuckin ip basmenet ,,
now dont get me wrong ,,some of the best underground labs operate from basmments,,but! nto many around and the most important thing is the cook ,,i can count the big time cooks on 2 hands now day ...
2 FUCKIN HANDS
gh15 pproved
gh15 approved
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Hollywood casting agent
"We're looking for a 6 foot tall, lean, handsome man with a full head of hair"
"I guess that rules out Bob Cicherillo"
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450-500mg trenblolona a week,,
500-750mg testosterona a week ,,sustanon mosly build of shorter easters,,
300-600mg of npp a week,,
200-500mg of masterona a week
legit gh on and off 5-10iu a day
have! resulted in some serious top amatuer physiqes in the past and present,,no you wont be walking around wearing 3xl looking liek you stol your little brother shirt...BUT! you will be walking in your 2xl looking like a million bucks and in most cases top bodybuild level of development IF IF! knowing your bodybuilding and consistant
you can have absolitly amazing physiqe on the doses i layed on top there
thats how much a week ? 1.5-2 grams of legit aas + legit gh
key word = legit
should do the trick ...if it doesnt do the trick you will never be a bodybuilder no matter what
gh15 approved
On the cycle above if you don't weight 240lbs @6% you never will on anything at any dose.
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Hollywood casting agent
"We're looking for a 6 foot tall, lean, handsome man with a full head of hair"
"I guess that rules out Bob Cicherillo"
Uhhhh...yeah....were you trying to be funny?
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450-500mg trenblolona a week,,
500-750mg testosterona a week ,,sustanon mosly build of shorter easters,,
300-600mg of npp a week,,
200-500mg of masterona a week
legit gh on and off 5-10iu a day
have! resulted in some serious top amatuer physiqes in the past and present,,no you wont be walking around wearing 3xl looking liek you stol your little brother shirt...BUT! you will be walking in your 2xl looking like a million bucks and in most cases top bodybuild level of development IF IF! knowing your bodybuilding and consistant
you can have absolitly amazing physiqe on the doses i layed on top there
thats how much a week ? 1.5-2 grams of legit aas + legit gh
key word = legit
should do the trick ...if it doesnt do the trick you will never be a bodybuilder no matter what
gh15 approved
Writing this down RIGHT NOW !!!! LOL !! God, I love readin' the bible !! :D
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Iron Disciple you are a long ways away from running anything like that. There is no need- your body wouldn't know what to do with it.
You are like 2 years of solid cycling away, at least. And the masteron is mostly pre-contest or summer time, it has little value otherwise.
Oh, I know, MM. I was just throwing out some humor. :)
Layer by layer. I'm in no hurry. Would rather build nice and slowly. But FUCK cycling off !! LOL !! Just jokin' ... well, sorta ! Lol ! Ttyl, brotha. :)
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actualy it has big value ,,everytime you se bodybuild on lots of testosterona and nandrolona no matter short or long esters they use masterona inorder to prevent the severe water retention and adipose tissue aromatize products give,,you want to be able ot see lines even when blow up...you want to blow up right,,you want to maintain the lean look ,,masterona is a must at some dose that suit you specificaly and for that you will have to experiement ,,now if you use lowe dose of testosterona and no npp then it really dont matter but moment you go loading on testosterona and npp or use very aromazing products such as dianabolona at hgih doses ...you want masterona as your anti estrogen ...you want to keep hard and somewhat dry when growing,,its like proviron only 10 times better because it is less androgenic than proviron and it has great anabolic activity inaddition to preventing you from being water logged,,this is our secrets im putting here ..you only need to use it on yourself liek i write,,
im basically considered out of bodybuilding if my identity is known ,,no one will ever talk to me,,so atleast use the info to your benefit
gh15 approved
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retard! 1200mg of total aas is good dose ,,it depends on your fuckin size! ! ! 5'6 240 ....is not something you achieve on 200mg of cyp lol even if it was as fat as you were lol is your lieing ass understand that 5'6 240 = 5'10 270? do you even get it in your head??? you can get great physiqe on 1200mg of aas ,,you can get great phsiqe as i stated before on 50mg testo proioneta every 2 days! and 150mg trenboona ace every 2 day and little masterona here and there...you can get great fitness model physiqe on it ,,you can maintain 195lb 6% on those doses.... this is how much 150mg propioneta and 450 mg trenbolona ace and 150-200 mg masterona a week thats = about 1 gram total aas a week and you can be 197lb 6% ....
I NEVER SAID YOU HAVE TO USE MEGA DOSING TO BE HAVING GREAT PHSYIQE ,,it all depends on the size of the bodybuilder!! for god fuckin sake get it in your fuckin head,, you talk about 5'6 240lb bodybuilder using 200mg cyp you are liar ! you are twister of reality
and! not to forget gh and insulina which go into all time heights the more bodybuilder grow...hgh is very very important in bodybuilding ,,modern bodybuilding,,you stuck 200lb 6% ....you have nicely cute thick and lean physiqe but stuck...what bring it up again??? ummm coach?? what bring it up again? another 3lb on the incline bench lol NO what bring it up again is taking the fuckin needle of the insulina syrnge and put the gh into it and stick it in your delt ! or midsection ...preferably into the muscle as gh15 stated before.. that! what give you the new window of growth that later on 2 months later you can saturate again with lots of hormones as in more aas...and grow again to new size,,and since you were mother fuckin lean 6% guess what ....you wil remain mother fuckin lean only growwwwwwww lean ...
then at a point in time when body cant hold anymorethe increase in size...it wil all go to the gut! that also happen when you introduce insulina to the hgh after some time ,,pushign the food with insulina in ....introduction of more and more insulina with the hgh ...result in growth but the growth will be all over ..thats also where bodybuildgin fail ,,,thats why you fellas prefer the classic physiqes of 80s and early 90s over today mess,,
but! i wil say it again
1200mg of aas total a week can result in GREAT GREAT PHYSIQE
gh15 approved
You're so fucking delusional...hahahahahah haha
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You're so fucking delusional...hahahahahah haha
Speak for yourself, clown
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Speak for yourself, clown
Zzziiiiing!
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actualy it has big value ,,everytime you se bodybuild on lots of testosterona and nandrolona no matter short or long esters they use masterona inorder to prevent the severe water retention and adipose tissue aromatize products give,,you want to be able ot see lines even when blow up...you want to blow up right,,you want to maintain the lean look ,,masterona is a must at some dose that suit you specificaly and for that you will have to experiement ,,now if you use lowe dose of testosterona and no npp then it really dont matter but moment you go loading on testosterona and npp or use very aromazing products such as dianabolona at hgih doses ...you want masterona as your anti estrogen ...you want to keep hard and somewhat dry when growing,,its like proviron only 10 times better because it is less androgenic than proviron and it has great anabolic activity inaddition to preventing you from being water logged,,this is our secrets im putting here ..you only need to use it on yourself liek i write,,
im basically considered out of bodybuilding if my identity is known ,,no one will ever talk to me,,so atleast use the info to your benefit
gh15 approved
I've said it before and here I go again. Every time I read one of this gentleman's treatise on drugs I am literally confronted with the reality that not only am I short but I shall remain forever small and weak. I met Franco and while a bit taller than I, he was huge in muscular size and strength. Padilla too, was a bit taller but far more muscular than I could ever be.
I could go on, but I think that perhaps my raison d'etre for being here will shift focus from health oriented to just insulting islam and homosexuality (actually, those two go hand in hand, religion of penis and all that crap) out the wazoo. I am too small framed to even begin to think about being built well and given that many smaller people have congenital renal problems I have finally reached that light at the end of the tunnel and found it to be a high speed train heading my way. I am depressed.
I give up. Lawn Jockey modeling, here I come.
Oh, and just to be sure everyone knows its me, fuck islam. ;D
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I really have to beg to differ in this social minefield of GetBig. I really do believe that long ago steroids were a big catalyst of inflating physiques but because of todays top supplements, nutrition timing and knowledge, anabolic/androgeic steroids have become passe and irrelevant in todays bodybuilding elitist. Lazy, out of shape "gym rats" use because they lack the skills and intelligence to undertand what it takes to build a body like Lee's or Kai's. They look for the easy way out and use dangerous and debilitating anabolic/androgenic steroids never realizing they are killing themselves for a "beach bod". Professional bodybuilders have genetics to back them up and respond very well to training. They know one secret: moderation! Yes, slow and steady wins the race. This is why you look at photos of Dorian and Ronnie and notice such improvement over the years-you can't fake that!!! Feeding the body the essential nutrients at the right times and knowing this can catapult someone to the top. Learn your body, pay your dues and remember...steroids KILL!!!!
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I really have to beg to differ in this social minefield of GetBig. I really do believe that long ago steroids were a big catalyst of inflating physiques but because of todays top supplements, nutrition timing and knowledge, anabolic/androgeic steroids have become passe and irrelevant in todays bodybuilding elitist. Lazy, out of shape "gym rats" use because they lack the skills and intelligence to undertand what it takes to build a body like Lee's or Kai's. They look for the easy way out and use dangerous and debilitating anabolic/androgenic steroids never realizing they are killing themselves for a "beach bod". Professional bodybuilders have genetics to back them up and respond very well to training. They know one secret: moderation! Yes, slow and steady wins the race. This is why you look at photos of Dorian and Ronnie and notice such improvement over the years-you can't fake that!!! Feeding the body the essential nutrients at the right times and knowing this can catapult someone to the top. Learn your body, pay your dues and remember...steroids KILL!!!!
STAY POSITIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh brother... ::)
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Yeah...I've seen plenty of pics from brfore they were BBers...most of us were under 13 in those pics.
Wrong. I have seen pictures of both Paul Dillet and Flex Wheeler as adults when they were starting out and they were incredibly skinny. How you seen the recent pic of Dillet of what he looks like now without steroids? Have you seen the pics of Tom Prince of what he looks like without steroids? They are smaller and skinnier than the average man who has never touched a weight in his life. Pathetic!!!!
Funny thing is...in almost ALL the pics of the pros, its apparent that we all had a great response to just training, as evidenced by the development at such a young age...without any gear.
What a load of garbage. Munzer especifically said that he was extremely skinny as a teenager, and his pics confirmed it. Just look at what he looked like years latter on steroids. Flex Wheeler is an extreme ectomorph with tiny bones and thin muscles. He weighted 120 lbs when he started training! Tom Prince was 160 lbs before he started juicing. Bodybuilders are ectomorphs. Why? Because the best bodybuiling genetics are having small joints, because they contrast with the muscles giving an illusion of size. The guys with the best genetics for size and who respond the best to training are not the guys with the best bodybuilding genetics.
The rest of your babble is just that...non sensicle rambling, trying to dig yourself out of the hole you dug with your initial naive comments.
Sure, I guess that is why Ironage bodybuilders with kidney failure were almost unheard of, but modern pros with it are a dime a doen. Your arguments don't make sense, Chick, but you can feel happy that Getbig is full of morons that believe what you say. Being flattered by morons makes you a moron as well.
If you want to believe that all the pros of the 70's had some thing that prevented them from taking more than 1200 mg./ week, despite having them at their disposal, cheap prices, etc...then so be it.
Maybe they took less because they thought that more wouldn't give them better results? Maybe their doctors, observing the Hypocratic oath, told them not to take too much because it could kill them and they considered their health as more important than winning some tin trophy? Who knows? But the evidence that modern pros take more is overwhelming. The much greater incidence of health problems of modern pros, the retirement of many pros either for health problems or because they didn't want to take what is necessary to compete nowadays, and the much greater size all point out to greater doses of steroids. GH and insulin are not anabolic enough to explain the enormous difference in size, and I don't think they boost the anabolic effect of steroids that much. I will retract myself if you can provide evidence - no "bro science" - that just adding insulin and GH to a steroid cycle will result in a gain of 60-90 lbs of lean muscle without a concomitant increase in steroid dose.
You may to look up the name Tim Belknap in your spare time (you seem t have lots of it)....strangely enough, a BB who WAS taking Insulin at the time (Early 80's) who just HAPPEN to have a physique more akin to modern BBers...I'm sure it was just a coincidence though ::)
He looks nothing like a modern pro. Compare him to Ronnie or even to a lesser pro like Ruhl. How much is he waiting in this picture? Between 220 and 240 lbs? Modern pros are close to 300 lbs with that conditioning, dude.
You think Zane was nicknamed The Chemist because he used moderate dosages of steroids? LOL... Fortunately, I know many of the the 70/ 80's pro's personally, and have had MANY conversations over the years about this very subject...while you seem to know two things...JACK and SHIT
Pure anecdotal evidence. Please have one, only one, of these pros from the past post here and say that he took multi-gram doses of steroids a week. Go ahead.
Please...keep posting in the subject...it's entertainment for everyone.
What I really think is funny is that you sound like you believe the garbage you write. Yep, I can almost see Frank Zane injecting a gram of test a day and being 185 lbs. I mean, I have taken this amount a week with no insulin or GH and been 250 lbs as ripped as him. Guess I must have genetics much better than Mr.Olympia.
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Reading Bob's posts is like reading a Jorge Luis Borges novel: despite the fantastic realism of the things he writes, you know it's all fiction. ;D ;D ;D
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Mmmm, perhaps "suckmymuscle" isn't old enough to remember Belknap because if he was and kept on thing (being an expert and all) he would know that Belknap was only 5'4-5'5 tops. That beong said, pound for pound he was bigger than most current pros. Carry on.
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Wrong. I have seen pictures of both Paul Dillet and Flex Wheeler as adults when they were starting out and they were incredibly skinny. How you seen the recent pic of Dillet of what he looks like now without steroids? Have you seen the pics of Tom Prince of what he looks like without steroids? They are smaller and skinnier than the average man who has never touched a weight in his life. Pathetic!!!!
And neither of them actually train anymore, nor do they eat the amount of food they did when training, nor do they do any gear....whay WOULD they look like a BB? That said, Flex competed as a teenager...where you getting your info from?
What a load of garbage. Munzer especifically said that he was extremely skinny as a teenager, and his pics confirmed it. Just look at what he looked like years latter on steroids. Flex Wheeler is an extreme ectomorph with tiny bones and thin muscles. He weighted 120 lbs when he started training! Tom Prince was 160 lbs before he started juicing. Bodybuilders are ectomorphs. Why? Because the best bodybuiling genetics are having small joints, because they contrast with the muscles giving an illusion of size. The guys with the best genetics for size and who respond the best to training are not the guys with the best bodybuilding genetics.
Tom wasnt 160 when he started training...he was a College swimmer, and was already the biggest guy in his school....again, do some homework.
Sure, I guess that is why Ironage bodybuilders with kidney failure were almost unheard of, but modern pros with it are a dime a doen. Your arguments don't make sense, Chick, but you can feel happy that Getbig is full of morons that believe what you say. Being flattered by morons makes you a moron as well.
They were unheard of because the internet wasnt around...and the muscle mags werent exactly the platform for guys telling the world about their healh problems...but many of them had issues, including the two I mentioned...Grymko and Michalik, Padilla, Corney, Arnold, etc all had heart problems/ surgery....hmmm...wonder why? Probably that damn 2 DBol a day...!!
Maybe they took less because they thought that more wouldn't give them better results? Maybe their doctors, observing the Hypocratic oath, told them not to take too much because it could kill them and they considered their health as more important than winning some tin trophy? Who knows? But the evidence that modern pros take more is overwhelming. The much greater incidence of health problems of modern pros, the retirement of many pros either for health problems or because they didn't want to take what is necessary to compete nowadays, and the much greater size all point out to greater doses of steroids. GH and insulin are not anabolic enough to explain the enormous difference in size, and I don't think they boost the anabolic effect of steroids that much. I will retract myself if you can provide evidence - no "bro science" - that just adding insulin and GH to a steroid cycle will result in a gain of 60-90 lbs of lean muscle without a concomitant increase in steroid dose.
Again...you keep referring to these ridiculous weights and muscle difference....where do you come up with these numbers?? There were plenty of guys in the 220+ range back in the old days....and no, 280 lbs. isnt even close to the average BB today....MOST of the guys today compete between 240-260. The guys in the 90's werent much lighter, as Yates, Haney, Christian, DeMay, Gaspari, etc were all in the 230-250 range.....
He looks nothing like a modern pro. Compare him to Ronnie or even to a lesser pro like Ruhl. How much is he waiting in this picture? Between 220 and 240 lbs? Modern pros are close to 300 lbs with that conditioning, dude.
In your gay fantasies, bro....There are few (if any) guys close to 300 in any kind of show shape...
Pure anecdotal evidence. Please have one, only one, of these pros from the past post here and say that he took multi-gram doses of steroids a week. Go ahead.
What I really think is funny is that you sound like you believe the garbage you write. Yep, I can almost see Frank Zane injecting a gram of test a day and being 185 lbs. I mean, I have taken this amount a week with no insulin or GH and been 250 lbs as ripped as him. Guess I must have genetics much better than Mr.Olympia.
No...you have your own versions of reality....never in your wildest dreams have you been 250 in any type of "ripped" condition...feel free to post up your pics killer....LOL
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Gotta be honest here...Ive encountered a good amount of delusional fools on this site over the last 12 years....but you are clearly at the front of the line....you are SO naive, it's comical.
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Gotta be honest here...Ive encountered a good amount of delusional fools on this site over the last 12 years....but you are clearly at the front of the line....you are SO naive, it's comical.
That guy is nuts!
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Here's a nice piece for you, my naive friend....a discussion between some old timers about the "good ol days"...LOL
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/18164-old-time-bodybuilders.html
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Time for a commerical break from my good buddies from SC Rob and Claudia.... ;D
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Bob Chick taking people to a bodybuilding 101 classroom here ! ;D
Guys I know that made it big back in the day,took a ton of shit for the most part...........not all of them but most of them.
One thing I will add though,is that they trained their balls off,not like the bloated blimps of today who train like they`re gonna die from any discomfort.
No money prizes back then,meant you trained because you loved to train, and it was your passion.
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homeboy never trained his legs and did not take GH or insulin.
Arnold would have made you cry on leg day kid!
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8)Again.
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8)Again.
His body looks weird with that giraffe neck, thick wrists and gorilla hands.
(no need to explain this GH15 ;D )
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Here's a nice piece for you, my naive friend....a discussion between some old timers about the "good ol days"...LOL
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/18164-old-time-bodybuilders.html
Ummmm...No offense intended but those are pretty much anonymous people on an internet forum. I was around and I am yet another anonymous person on an internet forum and here is what I recall.
The guys I knew didn't take a ton of what was available. Oral steroids are quite hard on your liver and kidneys, so it would be folly indeed to take copious (for those of you in Rio Linda, CA, that means "a SHITload") of pills.
The guys I knew also took time off. Why? They worried about their health and the possible side effects. I knew of one fellow that did take more than was common of one type of oral that was I believe a 50 mg tablet. One day prior to training and after having been on this dose for a couple of weeks he remarked that he hadn't gotten any bigger or stronger but that his urine was clouding up and at times there was evidence of blood in it.
I could tell you stories of watching one fellow that was most definitely someone with what so many here call "great receptors" or whateverthefuck they term it. I could but then I am really nothing more than some anonymous poster on some internet forum and my words, no matter how true I say they are, are really worth no more than the ones in your linked thread, Bob.
Oh yeah, one more thing. The guys I knew? They're still alive. Still have most, if not all of their hair. Still have both kidneys as well as a fully functioning liver and grown children. The last part I mentioned because steroids will cause what is medically termed "Oligospermia".
Men that take great quantities of AAS have a sperm count that is lower than their IQs and the few sperm they do produce are, shall we say, "slow". This often (not always) results in the inability to impregnate a woman. Fags could care less about this side effect, but real men, like the guys I knew, loved women and when they married a woman they wanted to have a family with her.
So then, what do I think, not feeeeeeeeeeeeeeel, is the truth? Today's bloated, narcissistic, oil filled, schmoetastic, faggoty, turgid with drugs, lazy nearly non-amublatory bodydoper has nothing on the men of the 60s through the early 80s and even less on the true physical culturists of the early twentieth century on into the 40s and 50s.
Fuck that noise.
And remember, I think quite highly of you. I find you far more articulate than the majority of current and former professional bodybuilders, so please do not think to belittle me as I have not done so to you. Because if you do... ;) Thanks, kid. ;D
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Obviously TP is not training,not eating to support muscle,and has been sick.
Not a good example of the "all drugs" syndrome.
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I can respect that, but were talking about PRO BBers...and the simple fact is,they abused the shit out of AAS...all reletive to what was available at the time.
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I can respect that, but were talking about PRO BBers...and the simple fact is,they abused the shit out of AAS...all reletive to what was available at the time.
Do you think that 250mg of Testo a week poses a minimal health risk, in your expert opinion, for a period of say 6 months?
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Ummm ... guys ... last I checked Bob C. IS a PRO BB'ER ... last I checked he was a NATIONAL CHAMPION ... and last I checked he has competed in the MR. OLYMPIA. Do you guys actually know how many bb'ers compete year after year after year ... to make it to NATIONALS ??? Imho, I wouldn't even bother to argue with Bob. The man has paid his dues. Love him or hate him, he knows A TON of people and has been around for a LONG time. Yeah. I think he knows what he's talking about. Just my two cents.
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Do you think that 250mg of Testo a week poses a minimal health risk, in your expert opinion, for a period of say 6 months?
Anything poses a minimal health risk, as you never know how the body will respond...some people are more susceptible / sensitive than others.
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I can respect that, but were talking about PRO BBers...and the simple fact is,they abused the shit out of AAS...all reletive to what was available at the time.
In some instances, so am I. Early 70s Gold's to be exact. No worries. Some used, others abused. I don't drop names, but I do state what I know and have seen. Draper still looks good and is a good man, as is Bill Pearl. Neither suffers from memmoroids and if my own memory serves me, Steve Reeves was quite the inspiration for both of them. Regardless of what gh15 claims, Reeves was that good all on his own.
Much has been made of the fact that in years past anabolics were readily available and without fear of illegality whereas today's professionals suffer the ignominious label of "felon in waiting" due to the anti drug bill. Another question that raises concern is this. Is it cheating if everyone's doing it?
Everyone is not doing it, only those that set aside any vestige of right for the promise of might, even temporary might such as offered by AAS. To look at such as Tom Prince or Flex Wheeler without their mother's little helpers is to know that genetics really have little to do with becoming a champion in bodybuilding. In Prince's case drugs were indeed nearly his personal finishing touch.
I'd say that given his attitude toward his body, he has received his just recompense. He is your friend, not mine. You know him better than I, while I know him only through his own words. Perhaps his braggadocio was ghosted by another, perhaps not. To be sure, he has his memories of life at the top, but I'd say he's far too young to live in the past.
Take it easy, young man. ;D
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Wrong. I have seen pictures of both Paul Dillet and Flex Wheeler as adults when they were starting out and they were incredibly skinny. How you seen the recent pic of Dillet of what he looks like now without steroids? Have you seen the pics of Tom Prince of what he looks like without steroids? They are smaller and skinnier than the average man who has never touched a weight in his life. Pathetic!!!!
What a load of garbage. Munzer especifically said that he was extremely skinny as a teenager, and his pics confirmed it. Just look at what he looked like years latter on steroids. Flex Wheeler is an extreme ectomorph with tiny bones and thin muscles. He weighted 120 lbs when he started training! Tom Prince was 160 lbs before he started juicing. Bodybuilders are ectomorphs. Why? Because the best bodybuiling genetics are having small joints, because they contrast with the muscles giving an illusion of size. The guys with the best genetics for size and who respond the best to training are not the guys with the best bodybuilding genetics.
Sure, I guess that is why Ironage bodybuilders with kidney failure were almost unheard of, but modern pros with it are a dime a doen. Your arguments don't make sense, Chick, but you can feel happy that Getbig is full of morons that believe what you say. Being flattered by morons makes you a moron as well.
Maybe they took less because they thought that more wouldn't give them better results? Maybe their doctors, observing the Hypocratic oath, told them not to take too much because it could kill them and they considered their health as more important than winning some tin trophy? Who knows? But the evidence that modern pros take more is overwhelming. The much greater incidence of health problems of modern pros, the retirement of many pros either for health problems or because they didn't want to take what is necessary to compete nowadays, and the much greater size all point out to greater doses of steroids. GH and insulin are not anabolic enough to explain the enormous difference in size, and I don't think they boost the anabolic effect of steroids that much. I will retract myself if you can provide evidence - no "bro science" - that just adding insulin and GH to a steroid cycle will result in a gain of 60-90 lbs of lean muscle without a concomitant increase in steroid dose.
He looks nothing like a modern pro. Compare him to Ronnie or even to a lesser pro like Ruhl. How much is he waiting in this picture? Between 220 and 240 lbs? Modern pros are close to 300 lbs with that conditioning, dude.
Pure anecdotal evidence. Please have one, only one, of these pros from the past post here and say that he took multi-gram doses of steroids a week. Go ahead.
What I really think is funny is that you sound like you believe the garbage you write. Yep, I can almost see Frank Zane injecting a gram of test a day and being 185 lbs. I mean, I have taken this amount a week with no insulin or GH and been 250 lbs as ripped as him. Guess I must have genetics much better than Mr.Olympia.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
N0 THEY'RE N0T SKINNIER THAN THE AVERAGE MEN. L0L AT Y0U BEING 250 LBS RIPPED. N0B0DY WANTS T0 SUCK Y0UR MUSCLE.
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Ummm ... guys ... last I checked Bob C. IS a PRO BB'ER ... last I checked he was a NATIONAL CHAMPION ... and last I checked he has competed in the MR. OLYMPIA. Do you guys actually know how many bb'ers compete year after year after year ... to make it to NATIONALS ??? Imho, I wouldn't even bother to argue with Bob. The man has paid his dues. Love him or hate him, he knows A TON of people and has been around for a LONG time. Yeah. I think he knows what he's talking about. Just my two cents.
I`d say you were right my friend ! :)
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Chick, serious question mate, what's your opinion on Growth Hormones? How does it compare with steroids and its side effects/effectiveness? Can it be taken on its own or does it need to be supplemented with other tiger juice too? Reason I ask it that a mate can get a month's worth of supplies for £20 (bout $32) and it sounds a bit too good to be true, well, from the little I do know about performance enhancing stuff. Would GH be worth taking over conventional anabolics?
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Chick, serious question mate, what's your opinion on Growth Hormones? How does it compare with steroids and its side effects/effectiveness? Can it be taken on its own or does it need to be supplemented with other tiger juice too? Reason I ask it that a mate can get a month's worth of supplies for £20 (bout $32) and it sounds a bit too good to be true, well, from the little I do know about performance enhancing stuff. Would GH be worth taking over conventional anabolics?
your buddy is buying saline water if he's paying $32 for any amount let alone a months supply...lol
that said...I think GH is highly over rated....and much like the current discussion of how much is
Effective...more isn't necessarily better. as a stack with a basic gear program, I think it works best. I don't have an extensive history of using it, so I'm sure others can speak from their own experience....
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lmao HGH over rated? more isn't better ?
gh15 where are you !
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Gotta be honest here...Ive encountered a good amount of delusional fools on this site over the last 12 years....but you are clearly at the front of the line....you are SO naive, it's comical.
he is koo koo ,,suckmuscle is KOO KOO,, real one
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lmao HGH over rated? more isn't better ?
gh15 where are you !
And of course you know better than Chick ::)
Fact is GH is expensive and an overrated fat burner.
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Nutrient timing...thread over!!!!
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lmao HGH over rated? more isn't better ?
gh15 where are you !
actualy he is right in many ways when it comes to older bodybuilder from back in the 80s 90s,,many used ely lilly and seizan 5iu ,,then when you use less pure gh you go 15-20iu ... but the reailty is that the new generation of bodybuild use a lot of gh ..thats why the skin is so much thicker
some bodybuild used to do very well on 5iu americano gh ,,then again always remember it is all a dependent of the purity of the gh and now day it also dependent on the other produtcs you use ....you will need more hgh if you use more testosterona and vise versa
more gh = more aas= heavier larger bodybuild,,pay attentuion to what i say here,,HEAVIER larger bodybuild,,it doenst always = muscle diameter...it = over all size..see jason huh
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And of course you know better than Chick ::)
Fact is GH is expensive and an overrated fat burner.
it is NOT overrated,,it takes the need of serious diet ,,it does! ,,you can eat like normal human being some of your meals,,it is the main reason bodybuild compete into the 40s now days in high level competition ,,hgh is hormone i would put every one on ,,women and man ,,women 1-2 iu ,,man 4-5 iu ,,healthy individuals
hgh is really really really the best hormone available to humans,,magic in a vial straight out,,it wil take a fella with average build and will get him to look very good,,it will tkae fella with 20 % bodyfat and will make him look like fitness model within 1 year of usage,,he will be down to the singles and mid singles if use with aas within 1 year ,,that is if he is 20% if he start 12% you talk about 3 months
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And of course you know better than Chick ::)
Fact is GH is expensive and an overrated fat burner.
there's a reason why HGH is so expensive not only for the fat burning properties but a shitload of other benefits
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actualy he is right in many ways when it comes to older bodybuilder from back in the 80s 90s,,many used ely lilly and seizan 5iu ,,then when you use less pure gh you go 15-20iu ... but the reailty is that the new generation of bodybuild use a lot of gh ..thats why the skin is so much thicker
some bodybuild used to do very well on 5iu americano gh ,,then again always remember it is all a dependent of the purity of the gh and now day it also dependent on the other produtcs you use ....you will need more hgh if you use more testosterona and vise versa
more gh = more aas= heavier larger bodybuild,,pay attentuion to what i say here,,HEAVIER larger bodybuild,,it doenst always = muscle diameter...it = over all size..see jason huh
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Please elaborate on this, does GH use result in a significant thicker skin or it's water retention caused by certain AAS?
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it is NOT overrated,,it takes the need of serious diet ,,it does! ,,you can eat like normal human being some of your meals,,it is the main reason bodybuild compete into the 40s now days in high level competition ,,hgh is hormone i would put every one on ,,women and man ,,women 1-2 iu ,,man 4-5 iu ,,healthy individuals
hgh is really really really the best hormone available to humans,,magic in a vial straight out,,it wil take a fella with average build and will get him to look very good,,it will tkae fella with 20 % bodyfat and will make him look like fitness model within 1 year of usage,,he will be down to the singles and mid singles if use with aas within 1 year ,,that is if he is 20% if he start 12% you talk about 3 months
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Is it safe to take gh15? I've spent hours reading about possible side affects. How real are they? How much does it cost to run GH for a year then?
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A friend om mine, short guy. Won the national middleweight class with 250 mg test and 200 mg deca. Small country not much competition...but HE looked great. we did his shots at the gym he was scared of death for them. He looked great enoguh to compete at world junior championships but jumped that option because he was scared of drug testing. Kinda lol, sure he was light, but Lee Priest height. Crazy genetics. Ate crappy. He had to be forced to diet and do things properly. Stopped quite soon because of boredom.
The highest weight I was at a comp in my best shape was 195. I´m 5.10. I did not do GH, could not afford it. Did 1500 mg of sustanon and 500 mg EQ for last 16 weeks. Last 8 weeks 500 mg sustanon, 1000 mg EQ, 50 mg winstrol (daily) oral.
Body changed dramaticly last 8 weeks. Never did more and a handfull of comps, but I was low on bf already at startpoint but was holding alot of water from test and misstook it as fat. Was and is not a guy with gardehose veins...but those last 8 weeks made a hell of diffrence. Maybe I could have been 10 pounds heavier if I did not overdo fatburning stuff like clen, effe and t3 + 2 h cardio on that...well atleast condition was best in that class lol. Oh yeah...I smoked weed the whole prep to eat all that fucking tuna. One can washed down with a coke light. 10 aday. Goes down in one minute. Learned that one from ernie taylor...
Now I look like shite and don´t care really. Ouch shoulder hurts like hell too.
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Mmmm, perhaps "suckmymuscle" isn't old enough to remember Belknap because if he was and kept on thing (being an expert and all) he would know that Belknap was only 5'4-5'5 tops. That beong said, pound for pound he was bigger than most current pros. Carry on.
Is that the INSULIN guy?
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Is that the INSULIN guy?
Belknap claimed to be diabetic. We used to joke that he had a zerk fittings in his arms for drug intake. Probably had one in his ass for lubing it with Anal Eze for those high intensity Weider posing sessions.
A worthless pile of shit is how best to describe Tim "The Turdlet" Belknap. FTN.
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Please elaborate on this, does GH use result in a significant thicker skin or it's water retention caused by certain AAS?
more gh,,longer period on gh = thicker skin
,,with or with out aas
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Is it safe to take gh15? I've spent hours reading about possible side affects. How real are they? How much does it cost to run GH for a year then?
no sides ,, water retention is only side along with some curpel tunel ,,rest of the sides are only lean growth ,, ofcourse i would not get on hgh if you have cancer and tumors because gh grows everything ...everything in your body it grows....FOR EXAMPLE,,if you have a skin tag on your body that is tiny ...it will get it to be bigger.... etc,,
gh is the reason bodybuild see 5'9 220 on stage and not 190,, insulin is the reson they take it up to the retarded zones aka 240 250 260 270 at 5'10 conditioned
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A friend om mine, short guy. Won the national middleweight class with 250 mg test and 200 mg deca. Small country not much competition...but HE looked great. we did his shots at the gym he was scared of death for them. He looked great enoguh to compete at world junior championships but jumped that option because he was scared of drug testing. Kinda lol, sure he was light, but Lee Priest height. Crazy genetics. Ate crappy. He had to be forced to diet and do things properly. Stopped quite soon because of boredom.
The highest weight I was at a comp in my best shape was 195. I´m 5.10. I did not do GH, could not afford it. Did 1500 mg of sustanon and 500 mg EQ for last 16 weeks. Last 8 weeks 500 mg sustanon, 1000 mg EQ, 50 mg winstrol (daily) oral.
Body changed dramaticly last 8 weeks. Never did more and a handfull of comps, but I was low on bf already at startpoint but was holding alot of water from test and misstook it as fat. Was and is not a guy with gardehose veins...but those last 8 weeks made a hell of diffrence. Maybe I could have been 10 pounds heavier if I did not overdo fatburning stuff like clen, effe and t3 + 2 h cardio on that...well atleast condition was best in that class lol. Oh yeah...I smoked weed the whole prep to eat all that fucking tuna. One can washed down with a coke light. 10 aday. Goes down in one minute. Learned that one from ernie taylor...
Now I look like shite and don´t care really. Ouch shoulder hurts like hell too.
1500mg testosterona is only needed if you have enough hgh to go with it,,if you cant maintain and get to 6% 190-200 lb 5'10 with proep 50 mg every 2 day and 150 mg trenbolona ace every 2 day ...you have no pro size potential,,most individuals can easily keep 6% 200lb 5'10 on propioneta and trenbolona ace at low dose testosterona and higher dose trenbolona ace
if you actualy use 1500 -200 mg testosterona you better stand on stage 210 -220lb
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500 mg Bologna, 300 mg pepperona..
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A friend om mine, short guy. Won the national middleweight class with 250 mg test and 200 mg deca. Small country not much competition...but HE looked great. we did his shots at the gym he was scared of death for them. He looked great enoguh to compete at world junior championships but jumped that option because he was scared of drug testing. Kinda lol, sure he was light, but Lee Priest height. Crazy genetics. Ate crappy. He had to be forced to diet and do things properly. Stopped quite soon because of boredom.
The highest weight I was at a comp in my best shape was 195. I´m 5.10. I did not do GH, could not afford it. Did 1500 mg of sustanon and 500 mg EQ for last 16 weeks. Last 8 weeks 500 mg sustanon, 1000 mg EQ, 50 mg winstrol (daily) oral.
Body changed dramaticly last 8 weeks. Never did more and a handfull of comps, but I was low on bf already at startpoint but was holding alot of water from test and misstook it as fat. Was and is not a guy with gardehose veins...but those last 8 weeks made a hell of diffrence. Maybe I could have been 10 pounds heavier if I did not overdo fatburning stuff like clen, effe and t3 + 2 h cardio on that...well atleast condition was best in that class lol. Oh yeah...I smoked weed the whole prep to eat all that fucking tuna. One can washed down with a coke light. 10 aday. Goes down in one minute. Learned that one from ernie taylor...
Now I look like shite and don´t care really. Ouch shoulder hurts like hell too.
Cool man.
Do you have any pics?
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great thread
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500 mg Bologna, 300 mg pepperona..
with 1kg of makkeroni and ham. ;D ;D
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I just read this entire thread in the hope that the Tom Prince cock photo would be here..... and it wasn't :(