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and is he off hormones as u a expert
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all procent.
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No.
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Bodyfat testing unreliable, especially when taken by those that are over 30% bodyfat.
Also, for a guy who really wanted to be an actor, very deadpan and zero range.
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He's 95 %.
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GH15 responded to a thread I started about Arnold's bf in these two pics. He said Arnold was 8% in the pic on the left; 15%, on the right. The low bf Arnold looks a bit more cut than Levrone in that vid.
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thats 7%,, i woudl go and say 6.5 but ....he hold water in the midsection that blurr the actual true bodyfat,, it is solid 7% if youre realy mean to him ,, in reailty this is 6-7% true bodyfat which is always 2% or so less than calipers,, always due to density and maturity and development of muscle and he has all 3
he is no more than 7% at any given day
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thats 7%,, i woudl go and say 6.5 but ....he hold water in the midsection that blurr the actual true bodyfat,, it is solid 7% if youre realy mean to him ,, in reailty this is 6-7% true bodyfat which is always 2% or so less than calipers,, always due to density and maturity and development of muscle and he has all 3
he is no more than 7% at any given day
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So, if you stand up straight and can pinch about a 1/2 inch of fat around your lower abs, what would that be?
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his skin got that look of drugs, hes on something
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is it fat or water thatS! the question ,, remember hgh make skin thicker!! hormones make skin thicker!!,, you dont just lose this shit in 3 week if it is fat.. takes longer to lose it and remain same size....fat is more solid looks dead,,water look like ...well water it can be thick or thin depending how much water your body tend to hold!,, take a stone and hit the water in an angle...do you see the little wave that are created? when the stone hit the water...thsi is how water will respond to your finger touching it fast,, youll be able to see more definition if its water ,,fat will show no definition even when flexing!,, with water...when you flex you look competition ready at times or very close to it,,
so i can nto tell you for sure all i can say is that kevin in this video is no more than 7% and if i had to give accurate gh15 approved bodyfat it would be 6.5 % with some fat and water both on the low side,, he dont hold much water
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is it fat or water thatS! the question ,, remember hgh make skin thicker!! hormones make skin thicker!!,, you dont just lose this shit in 3 week if it is fat.. takes longer to lose it and remain same size....fat is more solid looks dead,,water look like ...well water it can be thick or thin depending how much water your body tend to hold!,, take a stone and hit the water in an angle...do you see the little wave that are created? when the stone hit the water...thsi is how water will respond to your finger touching it fast,, youll be able to see more definition if its water ,,fat will show no definition even when flexing!,, with water...when you flex you look competition ready at times or very close to it,,
so i can nto tell you for sure all i can say is that kevin in this video is no more than 7% and if i had to give accurate gh15 approved bodyfat it would be 6.5 % with some fat and water both on the low side,, he dont hold much water
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is he on something, his skin to me has that look of he is using something
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his skin got that look of drugs, hes on something
ofcourse he is lol ,,we never go off,, he is just started....after taking couple months off or been on gh only ,,but we talking here number of weeks not a year and not 6 months lol about 6 week off then going on gh for few more weeks and then back on aas
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Guy needs to take it easy on that calculator.
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ofcourse he is lol ,,we never go off,, he is just started....after taking couple months off or been on gh only ,,but we talking here number of weeks not a year and not 6 months lol about 6 week off then going on gh for few more weeks and then back on aas
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thank you for the answer God of Hormones
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If thats 8% then what am I at?
( 5'9" around 190-195) lifetime natural
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If thats 8% then what am I at?
( 5'9" around 190-195) lifetime natural
thats both fat and water ,, you are at about 12-13% give or take depending on how you hold water,, but the fat is at 12-13%,,under the belly button is the point to look at where the dead fat sits not on the abs,,ON THE ABS ITS WATER,, you got the outter lines,, you got outlines of abs and you actualy have them going...problem is the 12-13% sit under the belly button and in your lower back with out even seeing your lower back i know its there from your build,, and ofcourse arms and under pecs and between pecs and delts and ofcourse legs... this is not 18% but its somwehre at 12-13% with good amount of water held that will make the average gym guru put you at 15-16% in reality you are 12-13%,,calipers will put you at 16% but you are not,,12-13% and water held as in niagra falls on you ,,then again no need for diuretic because you will lose the water but for what? to see you are 12%? to be 11%? you ned diuretic when you get down to 5-8% then is when you need it
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thats both fat and water ,, you are at about 12-13% give or take depending on how you hold water,, but the fat is at 12-13%,,under the belly button is the point to look at where threw dead fat sits not on the abs,,ON THE ABS ITS WATER,, you got the outter lines,, you got outlines of abs and you actualy have them going...problem is the 12-13% sit under the belly button and in your lower back with out even seeing your lower back i know its there from your build,, and ofcourse arms and under pecs and between pecs and delts and ofcourse legs... this is not 18% but its somwehre at 12-13% with good amount of water held that will make the average gym guru put you at 15-16% in reality you are 12-13%,,calipers will put you at 16% but you are not,,12-13% and water held as in niagra falls on you ,,then again no need for diuretic because you will lose the water but for what? to see you are 12%? to be 11%? you ned diuretic when you get down to 5-8% then is when you need it
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That's kind of what I thought . Never had my bf measured ever in my life, so thank you for your response.
Those were taken at the end of the day, so the water thing makes sense.
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nothing wrong with water,,what you need to taske down is the fat under the belly button and lower back and tighten up ,,this you can do with water on you ....
the moment you hear fellass telling you in your gym that you look TIGHT,, the word tight! iis very important... when you hear it from fellas you know you got to low bodyfat,, they start with lean ....then say you got leaner...then much leaner....and with the much leaner come the word tight and sharp...this is when you dont need no pictures and you know you are 6-8%
dont tell them what you want to hear....they need to volunteer those words...TIGHT! lean is good but tight is when they mean you look conditioned as in quality lean
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Its going from that 6-7% to the 4-5% bodyfat that is the rough part for sure :(
I can't believe people are really asking if he's taking anything about the guy who would get ready for the Olympia in what 3 to 4 months. He'd literally have to bring his body from normal to the same level as some of the best bodybuilders in the world in less than 4 months.
What would you say about his whole training for 25 reps for multiple sets on things like squats. Shouldn't you keep it in the 6-10 range. Why do so many repetitions???
Dont the heavy weights for the reps build muscle???
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they do build muscle,, and kevin did many years of very heavy weight ,,actualy one of the strongest ifbb pros around ,,the thing with kevin is that he is a freak ,,he repond greatly to hormones,, yes he use a lot used a lot...but still he respond tremendsly to hormones ,, on 1 to 10 he responds 10,,,not many responds 10,,ron colman kevin arnold but not many ,, most responds betwen 5-9 including most profesionals,,sadly philsulina is responding to hormones also like kevin ...10,, but problem is philsulina doenst have the foundation ,,but who cares about that little detail ,,foundation is overrated anyway,,too much to ask now day lol its all in the smile!
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Full blown baby ;)
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The skinfold test takes water into account. Only if you are dehydrated or holding a huge amount of water will it skew the test. A skinfold test of 7% isn't usually 7% on DEXA scan. It would actually be more.
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nothing wrong with water,,what you need to taske down is the fat under the belly button and lower back and tighten up ,,this you can do with water on you ....
the moment you hear fellass telling you in your gym that you look TIGHT,, the word tight! iis very important... when you hear it from fellas you know you got to low bodyfat,, they start with lean ....then say you got leaner...then much leaner....and with the much leaner come the word tight and sharp...this is when you dont need no pictures and you know you are 6-8%
dont tell them what you want to hear....they need to volunteer those words...TIGHT! lean is good but tight is when they mean you look conditioned as in quality lean
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Thank you. I gotta admit I've never really taken getting below 10% seriously, I have never done cardio, and eat whenever I'm hungry until I'm full which is usually once every 4-5 hrs..
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If thats 8% then what am I at?
( 5'9" around 190-195) lifetime natural
My guess would be around 16%.
And Kev is around 11%.
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The guy is well into his forties and not a wrinkle on his face. Even if he had work done it looks perfectly natural.
Beautiful man (no homo).
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/Su9jWobJqII/AAAAAAAABlQ/ECXZKkuyKIY/s400/1998-mr-olympia-253-kevin-levrone_20090830_1965229722+copy.jpg)
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss36/levrone147/kevin_levrone_2001MrO_backstage_bar.jpg)
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its actually depressing when you used to have so much muscle and now nothing left
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Now That - That is a Bodybuilder. 8)
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss36/levrone147/kevin_levrone_2001MrO_backstage_bar.jpg)
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The guy is well into his forties and not a wrinkle on his face. Even if he had work done it looks perfectly natural.
Beautiful man (no homo).
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/Su9jWobJqII/AAAAAAAABlQ/ECXZKkuyKIY/s400/1998-mr-olympia-253-kevin-levrone_20090830_1965229722+copy.jpg)
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss36/levrone147/kevin_levrone_2001MrO_backstage_bar.jpg)
beautiful man yes but sadly with no glasses ::)
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Now That - That is a Bodybuilder. 8)
(http://i559.photobucket.com/albums/ss36/levrone147/kevin_levrone_2001MrO_backstage_bar.jpg)
Yep, THAT is what I'm aiming for.
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its actually depressing when you used to have so much muscle and now nothing left
That's why I don't carry a lot of muscle. I could if I wanted to. I could be jacked beyond belief. But you can't carry that type of muscle mass forever and then when you get down to normal size, actually above normal size, the difference is so striking you look pathetic. Kevin in that youtube vid is well beyond the average guy, let alone the average 45 year old. But we know and remember him as one of the greatest of all time.
Just don't forget -- I could be jacked beyond belief if I wanted to. JACKED!
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Yep, THAT is what I'm aiming for.
LOL!!!
Well, we all need a dream, right?
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LOL!!!
Well, we all need a dream, right?
One month on and ideas above my station, yeah. 8)
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One month on and ideas above my station, yeah. 8)
It's good having a goal, but make sure you are willing to invest a lot if you want to look remotely like what can easily be called one of the top 5 physiques ever.
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I wish I followed bodybuilding during that era. Looking at today's champs no one comes even remotely close to Kevin. Even his stage presentation is heads and tails above today's guys.
I can't think of any "sport" that has actually regressed over time like bodybuilding has.
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I wish I followed bodybuilding during that era. Looking at today's champs no one comes even remotely close to Kevin. Even his stage presentation is heads and tails above today's guys.
I can't think of any "sport" that has actually regressed over time like bodybuilding has.
With BB, it seems it was better the more you go back until you reach Arnold... lol....
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I wish I followed bodybuilding during that era. Looking at today's champs no one comes even remotely close to Kevin. Even his stage presentation is heads and tails above today's guys.
I can't think of any "sport" that has actually regressed over time like bodybuilding has.
Agree - it's mind boggling how Kevin and Flex never took a Sandow home - this to me is physical perfection...Ron may have been the freakiest BB ever to step on stage but he was plain ugly just like Dorian..
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I remember picking my first bodybuilding magazine in 2001, it was The Musclemag October issue and had a report on the Mr Olympia. I was shocked by how well Levrone looked and shocked also by the size of Coleman's gut. What a strange sport we have..............
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Looked great way back when, looks average now even for natty.
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This guy going around levrone's body pinching this and that looks like one of those guys walking around trying to divine water under the ground.
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Kevin looks higher than 8. looks like 11 or so to me. He's flabby in the midsection. I'm actually leaner looking that than so I must be at 6-7% :D
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if you are unsure about what water and what's fat on you: pull the water out fast one time and look what's left and compare to your watery physique.
when I do that I get very defined all over but the fat is evident on lower abs and back of hips mostly.
water tends to distribute more evenly over the whole physique and fat is more evident in certain areas, given your are pretty low in digits. With higher digits fat blurs the rest of the physique too.
isnt that right gh15?
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So, if you stand up straight and can pinch about a 1/2 inch of fat around your lower abs, what would that be?
A totally fucking random question.
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A totally fucking random question.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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thats both fat and water ,, you are at about 12-13% give or take depending on how you hold water,, but the fat is at 12-13%,,under the belly button is the point to look at where the dead fat sits not on the abs,,ON THE ABS ITS WATER,, you got the outter lines,, you got outlines of abs and you actualy have them going...problem is the 12-13% sit under the belly button and in your lower back with out even seeing your lower back i know its there from your build,, and ofcourse arms and under pecs and between pecs and delts and ofcourse legs... this is not 18% but its somwehre at 12-13% with good amount of water held that will make the average gym guru put you at 15-16% in reality you are 12-13%,,calipers will put you at 16% but you are not,,12-13% and water held as in niagra falls on you ,,then again no need for diuretic because you will lose the water but for what? to see you are 12%? to be 11%? you ned diuretic when you get down to 5-8% then is when you need it
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What? 12-13?? What's my bf% then? I'd say around 11%, right? ???
(http://subirimg.com/images/imagenqeq.jpg)
http://subirimg.com/images/imagenqeq.jpg
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thats both fat and water ,, you are at about 12-13% give or take depending on how you hold water,, but the fat is at 12-13%,,under the belly button is the point to look at where the dead fat sits not on the abs,,ON THE ABS ITS WATER,, you got the outter lines,, you got outlines of abs and you actualy have them going...problem is the 12-13% sit under the belly button and in your lower back with out even seeing your lower back i know its there from your build,, and ofcourse arms and under pecs and between pecs and delts and ofcourse legs... this is not 18% but its somwehre at 12-13% with good amount of water held that will make the average gym guru put you at 15-16% in reality you are 12-13%,,calipers will put you at 16% but you are not,,12-13% and water held as in niagra falls on you ,,then again no need for diuretic because you will lose the water but for what? to see you are 12%? to be 11%? you ned diuretic when you get down to 5-8% then is when you need it
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BULLSHIT
Dude is around 16-17%, I will bet you $100 if he goes and gets dunk tanked he will be right at 16-17%
12% my fucking ass!
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He should probably stop worrying about his body so much and start being a businessman.
How old is he now?
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He should probably stop worrying about his body so much and start being a businessman.
How old is he now?
guess what he's trying to do?
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What? 12-13?? What's my bf% then? I'd say around 11%, right? ???
(http://subirimg.com/images/imagenqeq.jpg)
http://subirimg.com/images/imagenqeq.jpg
12-13%, possibly as low as 11%... You are holding a shitload of water, drop the carbs for 2-3 days and do some circuit training to deplete and see what you look like under all the water...Or take some diazide your choice....You might even be 10%...
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BULLSHIT
Dude is around 16-17%, I will bet you $100 if he goes and gets dunk tanked he will be right at 16-17%
12% my fucking ass!
I agree with that. I'm about the same as Levrone or a tad leaner and I'm not under 12%.
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guess what he's trying to do?
Do tell.
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Kevin looks higher than 8. looks like 11 or so to me. He's flabby in the midsection. I'm actually leaner looking that than so I must be at 6-7% :D
this is not! how you look at bodyfat,, kevin in this videos are no mre than 7% ,, this is how 7% look lik eon someone that dont train much and have very fast metabolizm and just starting to grow again,, this is what it look at 7%,, he is 6-7 because he has the water that blurr that half a percent ,,reason calipers say 8% 8.5? is because calipers will always give 2-3 % higher on bodybuild than our real bf% ,,always!,,KEVIN JUST HAVE TOO MUCH DENSITY AND THICKNESS OF THE MUSCLE ON HIM ,, HE IS NOTHING LIKE HE USED TO BE IN THERE,, HE IS JUST RELAXED AND LOST A LOT OF MUSCLE BUT HE STILL HAVE MUSCLE LIKE A YOUNGER GYM RAT THERE...AND IF HE FLEXED AND DID A POSE THERE YOU WOULD SEE IT,, ITS HIS SKIN THAT IS LITTLE THICKER! AND THE WATER HELD THAT IS NTO MUCH BUT IS ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU THINK HE IS 10% ,,HE IS NOT AND YOU MAY VERY WELL BE 7% OR UNDER...BUT HE IS NOT 10% NOT 11 % AND NOT HIGHER,, HE IS IN THE SINGLES AND REALLY NOT HIGH SINGLES BUT MID SINGLES
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this is not! how you look at bodyfat,, kevin in this videos are no mre than 7% ,, this is how 7% look lik eon someone that dont train much and have very fast metabolizm and just starting to grow again,, this is what it look at 7%,, he is 6-7 because he has the water that blurr that half a percent ,,reason calipers say 8% 8.5? is because calipers will always give 2-3 % higher on bodybuild than our real bf% ,,always!,,KEVIN JUST HAVE TOO MUCH DENSITY AND THICKNESS OF THE MUSCLE ON HIM ,, HE IS NOTHING LIKE HE USED TO BE IN THERE,, HE IS JUST RELAXED AND LOST A LOT OF MUSCLE BUT HE STILL HAVE MUSCLE LIKE A YOUNGER GYM RAT THERE...AND IF HE FLEXED AND DID A POSE THERE YOU WOULD SEE IT,, ITS HIS SKIN THAT IS LITTLE THICKER! AND THE WATER HELD THAT IS NTO MUCH BUT IS ENOUGH TO MAKE YOU THINK HE IS 10% ,,HE IS NOT AND YOU MAY VERY WELL BE 7% OR UNDER...BUT HE IS NOT 10% NOT 11 % AND NOT HIGHER,, HE IS IN THE SINGLES AND REALLY NOT HIGH SINGLES BUT MID SINGLES
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I used to test people with calipers also. Took a silly course and tested over 100 BB's in 2009-2010. Kevin isn't below 12.
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if you are unsure about what water and what's fat on you: pull the water out fast one time and look what's left and compare to your watery physique.
when I do that I get very defined all over but the fat is evident on lower abs and back of hips mostly.
water tends to distribute more evenly over the whole physique and fat is more evident in certain areas, given your are pretty low in digits. With higher digits fat blurs the rest of the physique too.
isnt that right gh15?
YES YES YES !! yes yes yes!! ,,very good!,, the fellas with water will be defined all over,, now im not talkin gto the bone defition because water will blurr the to the bone defition ,, it also depend where you hold the water,, but fellas with low bodyfat will have their delts sculpted to the bone and chest will be fibery and defined!! they will have hard and dry look from thje chest up ,,and their abdominals will be defined and lines there but something will blurr the tunnels that flow into the median line.... it will be there but little blurry ...now thats! water ...when you take diuretic that thing go in a matter of 24 hours...and you see it all like anatomy chart...
you know you are low bodyfat when you hear the words tight and polished a lot!,, and you yourself know that you are low bodyfat when you do a side squiz of the abs and see the seratus .... and the paino keys and the abs come all together and looking like a trax face...and you know exactly what im talking about lol,,
now do not alwys look for veins on your lats...that thing comes when the water is down to very low,,its there when fat is low yes but it wil be at all time best when the water is very low,,
it takes some time but yuo learn to recognize...
fellas like dan hill has problem with water,, he is low bodyfat but hold TONS OF WATER...this is what make him very average profesional ,, well sub average ,,but if he could bring water down consistantly ...he would be much better profesional ,, not mr o material but sucesful one,, he doesnt so he end up as tier 3 pro
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I used to test people with calipers also. Took a silly course and tested over 100 BB's in 2009-2010. Kevin isn't below 12.
12? lol he is not even 7% lol this is into the 6! not even 7 or 8 ,, matt c is 8%...just so you get a reference lol littl ematt c is 8% lol
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12? lol he is not even 7% lol this is into the 6! not even 7 or 8 ,, matt c is 8%...just so you get a reference lol littl ematt c is 8% lol
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If Levrone is 7% there, he must have been 1% when he competed, which isn't even possible. 6-7% is someone who is lean all around and not flabby in the stomach or lower back area, which Kevin is. That's more than just water retention, that's fat. 6-7% is ripped, 4-5% is shredded. Kevin isn't even ripped.
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12? lol he is not even 7% lol this is into the 6! not even 7 or 8 ,, matt c is 8%...just so you get a reference lol littl ematt c is 8% lol
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(http://oi55.tinypic.com/facwie.jpg)
What's this fella's body fat percentage, God?
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If Levrone is 7% there, he must have been 1% when he competed, which isn't even possible. 6-7% is someone who is lean all around and not flabby in the stomach or lower back area, which Kevin is. That's more than just water retention, that's fat. 6-7% is ripped, 4-5% is shredded. Kevin isn't even ripped.
again youre mistaken ,, he is not flabby,, i told you before to learn the diff between water and fat,, he is little softer...because he lack muscle incomarison to what he used to have....he lost some of his skin tightness because that skin was attacked and wrapping muscle shrink wrap before,, what you see is SKIN AND WATER nto fat....this is not fat,, he competed at 4% like all of us,, and the diff between 4% and 6.5% is HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE ,, those 2-3% is making huge diff especialy if you know your carb up well...6-7% is ripped true but when you hol water on you and loose skin to some degree again with kevin even loose skin look tight lol,,but when you have those things...your body fat can look little higher to the eye,, i wish he posed there so you would see he is 6-7%,,again water and skin blurrs it to some degree but he go to gym train for an hour come out pumped and you see he is 6-7% lol then he lose the pump and hoompa doompa he look 9-10% again lol this is how it is when you abused hormones in past and try to use lower doses and do it more natural lol
its all water and skin game ,, we dont hold fat ,, we hold 6-8% bodyfat on a regular basis ,,all the blurr and flab as you call it is water and skin
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and yes i know you will say pump blurrs definition ...this is correct,, but when you are low bodyfat...and using lower doses ,,,and in general when one is low bodyfat ,, pump can make a night and day diff on physiqe,, when they have it going they look mid singles,, when its gone they dont even look like they lift lol
sad but true! this is very very correct to naturals but also to low hormonizers and fellas with fast metabolizm in general ,, eventhough hormoes will help them and keep them always fuller with some this is just how the way it is especialy if they dont hold much water ...
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(http://oi55.tinypic.com/facwie.jpg)
What's this fella's body fat percentage, God?
10%,,but not enough muscle,, if has more muscle youd be able to see that 10% nicelier
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need more picture may be high singles,, reason i say 10 is because the muscle ,,lean muscle mass is not there to push through the skin
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gh 15 is right on the money in this thread. I don't know who he is, but he certaintly knows this stuff inside out.
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10%,,but not enough muscle,, if has more muscle youd be able to see that 10% nicelier
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Fella is actually 7.6% according to the bod pod.
This picture made me realise body fat percentages can be very deceiving; I thought he was 15%, haha.
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Fella is actually 7.6% according to the bod pod.
This picture made me realise body fat percentages can be very deceiving; I thought he was 15%, haha.
notice what i wrote under,, may be singles high singles,, but need more pictures this position is not good due to the way picture is taken ,, he look like he has low bodyfat yes
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Who gives a fuck about low bf if you don't have any muscles anyways??
Guy looks like a stick, he needs to work out a bit.
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notice what i wrote under,, may be singles high singles,, but need more pictures this position is not good due to the way picture is taken ,, he look like he has low bodyfat yes
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It's a screenshot off Youtube, but that picture for me just confirms everything you've been saying.
(no nuthug)
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Gh15 fella...
What? 12-13?? What's my bf% then? I'd say around 11%, right? ???
(http://subirimg.com/images/imagenqeq.jpg)
http://subirimg.com/images/imagenqeq.jpg
What's my bf%? ???
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God, what's this fella's bodyfat
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God, what's this fella's bodyfat
4.5-5%
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thats both fat and water ,, you are at about 12-13% give or take depending on how you hold water,, but the fat is at 12-13%,,under the belly button is the point to look at where the dead fat sits not on the abs,,ON THE ABS ITS WATER,, you got the outter lines,, you got outlines of abs and you actualy have them going...problem is the 12-13% sit under the belly button and in your lower back with out even seeing your lower back i know its there from your build,, and ofcourse arms and under pecs and between pecs and delts and ofcourse legs... this is not 18% but its somwehre at 12-13% with good amount of water held that will make the average gym guru put you at 15-16% in reality you are 12-13%,,calipers will put you at 16% but you are not,,12-13% and water held as in niagra falls on you ,,then again no need for diuretic because you will lose the water but for what? to see you are 12%? to be 11%? you ned diuretic when you get down to 5-8% then is when you need it
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LMFAO!!!!!!! ;D ;D