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i hope she has unlimited minutes :D :D :D
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i hope she has unlimited minutes :D :D :D
I'm certainly not voting for this lunatic... :-X
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I'm sure Charles Manson had conversations with god, too..
and the son of sam had them with his dog.
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geez, republicans -
PLEASE dont elect the most exciting and dramatic candidate. Just find a safe, consistent repub, run him/her, and beat obama.
Why give yourself the greatest possible obstacle?
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....he gave us the same vision, which was odd...
No shit. Very odd indeed, especially when one realizes her husband is a raging homosexual. Probably does meth and fucks male prostitutes like the other Jesus freak that got busted.
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cue getbiggers to try to defend this.
If they open their fridge in the morning and find a moldy piece of food, they probably don't throw it away. They probably eat it anyway and try to convince everyone that it doesn't that THAT bad... and it's still better than eating from the trash can.
All the while, there's STILL TIME to find other candidates who aren't religious zealouts, which it is becomign undeniable that Bachmann is. At least she will probably win Iowa ala Huck, then fall back as people with educations choose candidates like huntsman, romney, or someone else who enters the race.
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werent you all bachmann 2 weeks ago?
did you say you would vote bachmann over obama any day?
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Can someone please tell me what is wrong w this clip?
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werent you all bachmann 2 weeks ago?
did you say you would vote bachmann over obama any day?
I still would.
HOWEVER, I think since we're still in the primary phase, repubs may want to consider a candidate who doesn't appear to be such a religious zealout. This won't play well nationally. There are plenty of good GOP candidates who don't have her religious baggage. The pope is the devil - that's the theme of her chuch for 10 years. Rev Wright was a big obama problem, and the anti-Pope church she attended for a decade will be a problem too.
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I still would.
HOWEVER, I think since we're still in the primary phase, repubs may want to consider a candidate who doesn't appear to be such a religious zealout.
Plea tell me exactly what in this clip makes her a zealot. I watched it and did not see anything objectionable at all.
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Plea tell me exactly what in this clip makes her a zealot. I watched it and did not see anything objectionable at all.
this clip, take at any value you'd like.
however, the stated belief of her church is "the papacy = antichrist".
I'm not so sure she overcomes that. Rev Wright was a crazy prick, but I don't even remember him calling the Pope the Devil. She just resigned her church and it's gone largely unnoticed.
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this clip, take at any value you'd like.
however, the stated belief of her church is "the papacy = antichrist".
I'm not so sure she overcomes that. Rev Wright was a crazy prick, but I don't even remember him calling the Pope the Devil. She just resigned her church and it's gone largely unnoticed.
No, I want you to tell me the exact moment in this clip that makes her a zealot.
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No, I want you to tell me the exact moment in this clip that makes her a zealot.
is that your point? You do know different people have different meanings of "zealot". You're just starting a long train of operational definitions that will never reach a conclusion.
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is that your point? You do know different people have different meanings of "zealot". You're just starting a long train of operational definitions that will never reach a conclusion.
There's a five-page thread going right now where half of you 333 stalkers just tried to do the same thing to him.
Don't beat around the bush and just answer his question.
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is that your point? You do know different people have different meanings of "zealot". You're just starting a long train of operational definitions that will never reach a conclusion.
He asshole - give me the exact moment she says something making her a zealot?
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Certifiable.
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Certifiable.
What exactly makes her a zealot in this clip? Give me minute and second please?
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There's a five-page thread going right now where half of you 333 stalkers just tried to do the same thing to him.
Once again....the "they do it too!" argument never works. It's irrelevant to this thread.
Don't beat around the bush and just answer his question.
It can't be answered, that's my point. It's a stupid question. He will just change his definition of a "zealot" no matter what anyone replies. If he seriously wants an answer (which I doubt he does) then he needs to state explicitly what criteria need to be met in order to be a "zealot". But as you can tell in his last two three five posts, he's just going to keep repeating the question and then saying that he "won" because "nobody can give me the exact moment she says something making her a zealot".
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What exactly makes her a zealot in this clip? Give me minute and second please?
No, watch the whole clip. :D
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No, watch the whole clip. :D
I did twice. Minute and second please as to why she is a religious zealot.
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No, I want you to tell me the exact moment in this clip that makes her a zealot.
It's the total collection of speeches, her affiliation with the anti-Papal church for a decade, her continued lying about her husband using tax dollars to "un-gay" people, etc.
I want the repubs to win in 2012, same as you 333386. you just seem to want to pick a GOp candidate that's the most exciting, instead of the most electable. You've been all over the Palin, then Trump, now bachmann trains. You know, the most explosive and exciting candidate. unfortunately, they're also usually the most polarizing too.
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Once again....the "they do it too!" argument never works. It's irrelevant to this thread.
It can't be answered, that's my point. It's a stupid question. He will just change his definition of a "zealot" no matter what anyone replies. If he seriously wants an answer (which I doubt he does) then he needs to state explicitly what criteria need to be met in order to be a "zealot". But as you can tell in his last two posts, he's just going to keep repeating the question and then saying that he "won" because "nobody can give me the exact moment she says something making her a zealot".
So you can't answer it. Thought so.
By the way, the definition of a zealot on dictionary.com is pretty straightforward. Could you humor me as to where you found all these different meanings of the word? ???
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Minute and second of what her makes her a zealot please. If is lip is so damning, it should not be too hard.
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I did twice. Minute and second please as to why she is a religious zealot.
Pretty much the entire tape. What's god going to tell this closet liberal progressive next? Porn should be banned? Oh, sorry god already did.
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Why is it that people who vehemently defend the right for Muslims to be completely fanatical, murderous, religious nutjobs always lose their shit when a Christian so much as hints at their strong religious foundations?
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So you can't answer it. Thought so.
By the way, the definition of a zealot on dictionary.com is pretty straightforward. Could you humor me as to where you found all these different meanings of the word? ???
it cannot be answered, it's not that I can't answer, or 240 can't answer it. Nobody can answer it, because what is "fanatical" to PIP or whoever is not automatically the same meaning as "fanatical" to 3333. The definition of zealot on dictionary.com is not straightforward. Being fanatical is not always the same as being uncompromising, that line differs from person to person. 3333 will just change what he finds "fanatical" after anyone replies to him. You do know the meaning of an operational definition don't you.
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Pretty much the entire tape. What's god going to tell this closet liberal progressive next? Porn should be banned? Oh, sorry god already did.
Fine so it should not be hard or you. Minute and second or shut the fuck up.
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ban porn.
pope is the devil, my church of 10 years said so.
i fasted for 3 days and god told me to run for congress.
me and my hubby married even though we didn't like each other, because we had matching religious visions.
gay can be unlearned, with your tax dollars.
33, you're enamored with her. next week, just like you bashed trump as going nowhere and palin as better as kingmaker, you'll jump off the bachmann bandwagon and vote romney again.
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The Bachmann threads should be condensed into one running topic.
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ban porn.
pope is the devil, my church of 10 years said so.
i fasted for 3 days and god told me to run for congress.
me and my hubby married even though we didn't like each other, because we had matching religious visions.
gay can be unlearned, with your tax dollars.
33, you're enamored with her. next week, just like you bashed trump as going nowhere and palin as better as kingmaker, you'll jump off the bachmann bandwagon and vote romney again.
Minute and second in this clip to show me why she is a zealot.
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Fine so it should not be hard or you. Minute and second or shut the fuck up.
Anytime she says:
God told me, I talked with god.....
Too many time codes. Lol
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it cannot be answered, it's not that I can't answer, or 240 can't answer it. Nobody can answer it, because what is "fanatical" to PIP or whoever is not automatically the same meaning as "fanatical" to 3333. The definition of zealot on dictionary.com is not straightforward. Being fanatical is not always the same as being uncompromising, that line differs from person to person. 3333 will just change what he finds "fanatical" after anyone replies to him. You do know the meaning of an operational definition don't you.
33 has said he would election Madoff/Vandersloot to President of the USA in 2012, if he could.
To him, that's not insane or crazy.
So this tape might be normal to him, who knows.
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ban porn.
pope is the devil, my church of 10 years said so.
i fasted for 3 days and god told me to run for congress.
me and my hubby married even though we didn't like each other, because we had matching religious visions.
gay can be unlearned, with your tax dollars.
33, you're enamored with her. next week, just like you bashed trump as going nowhere and palin as better as kingmaker, you'll jump off the bachmann bandwagon and vote romney again.
Weren't you on the Bachmann bandwagon? Oh wait, you were on the Palin bandwagon, too! You consistently stay on them just long enough to make it look like you actually were a supporter until you "edumucated" yourself.
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Anytime she says:
God told me, I talked with god.....
Too many time codes. Lol
Funny when Obama said he was a fundamentalist Christian, I don't remember you saying a word. Is he a zealot too?
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Weren't you on the Bachmann bandwagon? Oh wait, you were on the Palin bandwagon, too! You consistently stay on them just long enough to make it look like you actually were a supporter until you "edumucated" yourself.
You called 240 on this from day one.
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You called 240 on this from day one.
He's as predictable as the sun rising each morning.
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Funny when Obama said he was a fundamentalist Christian, I don't remember you saying a word. Is he a zealot too?
Was he talking about how god talks to him?
Was he talking about how he was told by god to run for congress?
If so I would have said the same thing.
And we both know he's not a staunch christian.
Nice try though 3333333
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240 and other Obama dicksuckers logical modus operandi:
Bachmann wants to ban porn (which would never stand up in court anyway). "OMG IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD!!!"
Obama does more to advance the cause of Islamic supremacism in three months than AQ accomplished in 20 years. "NOTHING TO SEE HERE! LET'S TALK ABOUT BACHMANN!!!!"
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Was he talking about how god talks to him?
Was he talking about how he was told by god to run for congress?
If so I would have said the same thing.
And we both know he's not a staunch christian.
Nice try though 3333333
How do we know that? He said he is a fundamentalist Christian. How s that any different from a zealous Christian?
Face it - you liberal guilt ridden white ropes have two standards - one for the messiah, and one for everyone else.
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How do we know that? He said he is a fundamentalist Christian. How s that any different from a zealous Christian?
Face it - you liberal guilt ridden white ropes have two standards - one for the messiah, and one for everyone else.
Lol. That's stupid. Show me where he said he talks to god. OB is about as Christian as I am.
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Lol. That's stupid. Show me where he said he talks to god. OB is about as Christian as I am.
Not according to him. He said he is a devout Christian. Usually that means praying to god and asking for direction in life.
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Not according to him. He said he is a devout Christian. Usually that means praying to god and asking for direction in life.
Liberals will tell you that it's only OK to pray to Allah. Christian God = nono.
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Not according to him. He said he is a devout Christian. Usually that means praying to god and asking for direction in life.
All Christian do that. But the line for me is when they have conversations wth god.
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All Christian do that. But the line for me is when they have conversations wth god.
What is praying?
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What is praying?
What is a conversation?
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What is a conversation?
Praying is talking to god no?
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Praying is talking to god no?
I'd say so.
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Praying is talking to god no?
I agree too.
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I agree too.
So again what makes her a zealot?
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So again what makes her a zealot?
Conversations with god. ( refer to the last question I asked)
On side note 333333, does chess style debate get a little tiresome a times?
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Here is the best part for me. She talks about this in connection w her family to where she had 5 kids 23 foster kids etc. Would you guys have felt better if she said god told her to run for office to tax the shit out of everyone and fundamentally transform America or enact so crazy freak show leftist agenda?
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"President Barack Obama told an audience Thursday at the National Prayer Breakfast that he is a devout Christian[/color] whose faith has been an anchor in turbulent times and helps him persevere despite those who doubt his beliefs."
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/48824.html#ixzz1SHtcTuOM
So he is either a "devout Christian" or he is a liar, which is it?
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Conversations with god. ( refer to the last question I asked)
On side note 333333, does chess style debate get a little tiresome a times?
Considering many f you think I am a moron, thanks for the compliment that you think I am even capable of chess. :)
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President Barack Obama told an audience Thursday at the National Prayer Breakfast that he is a devout Christian whose faith has been an anchor in turbulent times and helps him persevere despite those who doubt his beliefs.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/48824.html#ixzz1SHtcTuOM
So he is either a "devout Christian" or he is a liar, which is it?
No to mention he says he prays for guidance from god daily.
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Here is the best part for me. She talks about this in connection w her family to where she had 5 kids 23 foster kids etc. Would you guys have felt better if she said god told her to run for office to tax the shit out of everyone and fundamentally transform America or enact so crazy freak show leftist agenda?
Look, I am not bachmann or Palin stalker nut. I respect and like some of the things I read about her. But I wouldn't vote for someone who has conversations with god. Praying to god and having conversations with god are 2 entirely different things.
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Look, I am not bachmann or Palin stalker nut. I respect and like some of the things I read about her. But I wouldn't vote for someone who has conversations with god. Praying to god and having conversations with god are 2 entirely different things.
How?
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Considering many f you think I am a moron, thanks for the compliment that you think I am even capable of chess. :)
You shouldn't lump me in with many of your detractors. you are a good guy who isn't afraid to speak his mind and has strong convictions. I enjoy debating with you and occasionally harassing you. I respect you and your views evn though I don't always agree. I do not think you are unintelligent, are a moron, etc. I think you go overboard and are in uber debate mode sometimes,but we all are sometimes. Also I learn much from your posts.
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Look, I am not bachmann or Palin stalker nut. I respect and like some of the things I read about her. But I wouldn't vote for someone who has conversations with god. Praying to god and having conversations with god are 2 entirely different things.
What is Prayer, if it is not a conversation with God?
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How?
When you pray you are asking for something. When. You have a conversation there is sustained exchange. Like for example what we are doing right now. Would you categorize this exchange we are having as praying or are we having a conversation?
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When you pray you are asking for something. When. You have a conversation there is sustained exchange. Like for example what we are doing right now. Would you categorize this exchange we are having as praying or are we having a conversation?
So when Obama says he prays to God for guidance? how does Obama expect to receive it?
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What is Prayer, if it is not a conversation with God?
So by this answer are we now praying to each other?
Look up the definitions.
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When you pray you are asking for something. When. You have a conversation there is sustained exchange. Like for example what we are doing right now. Would you categorize this exchange we are having as praying or are we having a conversation?
Conversation.
But let's say you pray for guidance fom god over a dilemma. One day you wake up convinced he told you to choose option 1. What's that?
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When you pray you are asking for something. When. You have a conversation there is sustained exchange. Like for example what we are doing right now. Would you categorize this exchange we are having as praying or are we having a conversation?
praying is often referred to as talking with God Oz
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So when Obama says he prays to God for guidance? how does Obama expect to receive it?
Your paycheck.
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So when Obama says he prays to God for guidance? how does Obama expect to receive it?
You would have to ask OB. when i pray to god he may answer it in many different ways, but that wouldn't constitute a conversation that same way Michelle Talked about.
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Conversation.
But let's say you pray for guidance fom god over a dilemma. One day you wake up convinced he told you to choose option 1. What's that?
Someone who is convinced God answered one of their players.
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There are many complicated definitions of exactly what prayer is, but the most simple understanding is that prayer is a conversation with God.
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I can see that it may commonly be thought of as a conversation, but not according to the definition of the words.
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You would have to ask OB. when i pray to god he may answer it in many different ways, but that wouldn't constitute a conversation that same way Michelle Talked about.
Tells us of these "many different ways"?
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There are many complicated definitions of exactly what prayer is, but the most simple understanding is that prayer is a conversation with God.
havent watched the clip and dont intend to, she isnt a viable candidate and msnbc, cnn, abc et al will swing themselves out on her proving that they are again in the bag for obama...this will backfire on them come election time.
but if she simply said that she talks with God then there isnt anything to discuss...
as you have admitted Oz many ppl refer to praying as talking with God...
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So tell us Ozmo, which ways are acceptable, and which ways are not acceptable for prayers to be answered ?
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So tell us Ozmo, which ways are acceptable, and which ways are not acceptable for your prayers to be answered ?
Thats up each person what they find acceptable. As far whether or not I would vote for her... Based on that clip, she would certainly not get my vote. I would not want her commonly deciding whats right or wrong based on her alleged conversations with god.
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Thats up each person what they find acceptable. As far whether or not I would vote for her... Based on that clip, she would certainly not get my vote. I would not want her commonly deciding whats right or wrong based on her alleged conversations with god.
But it is Ok for Obama to say he is a devout Christian, and say that he prays to God for guidance?
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havent watched the clip and dont intend to, she isnt a viable candidate and msnbc, cnn, abc et al will swing themselves out on her proving that they are again in the bag for obama...this will backfire on them come election time.
but if she simply said that she talks with God then there isnt anything to discuss...
as you have admitted Oz many ppl refer to praying as talking with God...
I understand the point being made here. But based on that clip, no way I would vote for her. And whether it's commonly regarded that way or not, the definitions still stand.
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But it is Ok for Obama to say he is a devout Christian, and pray for guidance?
Do you really think OB is having the same thing go on?
And what difference does it make if he says he's a devout Christian or not? OB didn't get my vote for an entirely different reason.
It always cracks me up, how polarization leads to over assumption.
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What did she say exactly that you find objectionable?
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What did she say exactly that you find objectionable?
Do you want a time code? :D
Most of what she said, as far as it relates to whether or not I would vote for her. As far as whether I think it's ok for a person to do that? I don't care. That's their own personal belief.
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Weren't you on the Bachmann bandwagon? Oh wait, you were on the Palin bandwagon, too! You consistently stay on them just long enough to make it look like you actually were a supporter until you "edumucated" yourself.
I'm still on the bachmann bandwagon, if it is her vs obama.
if it's her versus huntsman or perry, i'm voting huntsman or perry.
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You know she probably doesn't believe any of that, right? She knows she can make up religious stories and get all kinds of support because THE OTHER PEOPLE actually believe that crap. If they ever had an original thought, it died of loneliness.
Just amazing how many stupid, stupid people there are.
A lot of them will be in church tomorrow.
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You know she probably doesn't believe any of that, right? She knows she can make up religious stories and get all kinds of support because THE OTHER PEOPLE actually believe that crap. If they ever had an original thought, it died of loneliness.
Just amazing how many stupid, stupid people there are.
A lot of them will be in church tomorrow.
Rev wright hopes youare right. His mortgage on his huge mansion ain't cheap.
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honestly, i think i'm arguing with middle schoolers sometimes.
if you don't like ice cream, then you must like broccoli.
No, bachmann is appearing to be a bit of a loony zealout. Would I vote for her over obama, and put a bachmann sticker on my truck? Yes I would.
Would I prefer a GOp candidate with less baggage get in? Of course. I think this is probably just the tip of the bachmann iceberg, and if rev wright nearly cost obama the white house, well some crazy church shit could do the same to bachmann.
honestly kids... saying 1 GOp candidate isn't ideal is NOT an endorsement of Obama.
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Rev wright hopes youare right. His mortgage on his huge mansion ain't cheap.
You believed Rev Wright was a big deal - because obama sat there for 20 years while the lunatic ranted.
Sounds like bachmann didn't only sit there for ten years... but she did some ranting of her own. Why in the world would she resign from her church right now? The whole, "The pope is the devil" thing? Oh my, i'm sure if she did lots of speeches, we'll have months and months worth of her saying some zealout shit.
Geez, stop defending these extremists and just give us a repub candidate who can get elected :)
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honestly, i think i'm arguing with middle schoolers sometimes.
if you don't like ice cream, then you must like broccoli.
No, bachmann is appearing to be a bit of a loony zealout. Would I vote for her over obama, and put a bachmann sticker on my truck? Yes I would.
Would I prefer a GOp candidate with less baggage get in? Of course. I think this is probably just the tip of the bachmann iceberg, and if rev wright nearly cost obama the white house, well some crazy church shit could do the same to bachmann.
honestly kids... saying 1 GOp candidate isn't ideal is NOT an endorsement of Obama.
deflecting and defending his policies and agenda is an endorsement of obama 240...
if you dont endorse obama then why do you do these things on an hourly basis?
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You believed Rev Wright was a big deal - because obama sat there for 20 years while the lunatic ranted.
Sounds like bachmann didn't only sit there for ten years... but she did some ranting of her own. Why in the world would she resign from her church right now? The whole, "The pope is the devil" thing? Oh my, i'm sure if she did lots of speeches, we'll have months and months worth of her saying some zealout shit.
Geez, stop defending these extremists and just give us a repub candidate who can get elected :)
What did she says exactly you find so xtreme
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i hope she has unlimited minutes :D :D :D
Preach sistah! :) Great clip gimmick.
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What is Prayer, if it is not a conversation with God?
That's exactly what prayer is.
She is testifying about how God has answered her prayers numerous times. The answer doesn't come in the form of God appearing at your dining room table and having a talk with you. It's circumstances, people in your path, family, friends, etc. You have to use your common sense too.
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she was a member of a church that says the pope is the anti-christ.
if you think that will play well nationally - amidst her sudden resignation 5 minutes after these tapes go public - then that's your take.
my belief is that the GOp field contains candidate without this kind of baggage.
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What did she says exactly you find so xtreme
She sat in this church for 500 Sundays...
She spends 10 years going to this church which preaches Pope = The AntiChrist. You can't make this kinda stuff up!
Bachmann quits church
CNN reports that Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann has quit her church.
Bachmann, a Minnesota congresswoman, and her husband, Marcus, withdrew their membership from Salem Lutheran Church in Stillwater, Minnesota, last month, according to church officials.
The Bachmanns had been members of the church for more than 10 years, according to Joel Hochmuth, director of communications for the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, the broader denominational body of which Bachmann’s former church is a member.
The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod has drawn criticism for being anti-Catholic, CNN adds.
"We identify the Antichrist as the Papacy," the denomination's website says. "This is an historical judgment based on Scripture."
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She sat in this church for 500 Sundays...
so does that mean Peter was the first anti-christ?
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Yet according to you obama is not extreme for being in wrights' church? Wtf?
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so does that mean Peter was the first anti-christ?
I know that "the pope is the antichrist" ain't gonna play well nationally.
it's clear as day - the church states its belief as "Antichrist as the Papacy".
Something in my gut says you can't spend ten years dissing the pope then try to win the US presidency. No wonder she resigned so quickly from her church after a decade.
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Yet according to you obama is not extreme for being in wrights' church? Wtf?
My own belief is that obama was using the church for political gain and connections, but that he agreed with a lot of the bullshit that rev wright said. He wasn't up there holding a microphone giving speeches all the time in his church.
These videos coming out of her speaking to the very church that considers the pope to be the antichrist... well, that's a tad different than just showing up in a pew. Obama showed poor judgemnt by attending such a church. bachmann showed VERY poor judgement by not only showing up - but by giving speeches too....
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Anyone who claims to be a devout Christian has conversations with God. Like Obama:
I didn't become a Christian until many years later, when I moved to the South Side of Chicago after college. It happened not because of indoctrination or a sudden revelation, but because I spent month after month working with church folks who simply wanted to help neighbors who were down on their luck -- no matter what they looked like, or where they came from, or who they prayed to. It was on those streets, in those neighborhoods, that I first heard God's spirit beckon me. It was there that I felt called to a higher purpose -- His purpose."
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/19/his-own-words-obama-religion
How is it he "heard God's spirit beckon" him, if God wasn't "talking" to him in some way?
Hillary Clinton is a firm believer in the Holy Spirit:
Clinton has told interviewers that she has felt the presence of the Holy Spirit on many occasions, and that she believes the resurrection of Christ is a historical fact; Obama regularly mentions his faith in his stump speech, and has made religion a major element of his appeal in many states.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/13/forum/index.html
Do you know what the Holy Spirit is? Is that's "voice in your head" helping you determine right from wrong.
Obama encouraged people to have conversations with God during his campaign:
Praying for campaigns and for the health of the nation is hardly new in elections. But this year has seen a more public display of faith among supporters of the Democrat nominee. The Obama campaign's prayer conference calls went from weekly to daily four months ago, and will continue through Election Day. Supporters of the Illinois senator have started prayer circles, enlisting friends to join them online, on the phone or in person to pray for wisdom for the candidate.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/02/prayer-warriors-fast-steps-florida-legislature/
More on Obama and the Holy Spirit speaking to him:
"The questions I had did not magically disappear," Obama wrote in his recent book, titled "The Audacity of Hope" after Wright's turn of phrase, of the day four years later when he made a formal commitment of Christian faith. "But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0716/p01s01-uspo.html
In his campaign literature, Obama claimed God talked to him:
Similarly, the front page of the brochure shows Obama in a chin-on-hand contemplative posture and underneath, it reads: "Answering the Call." The last page shows two more pictures of Obama in Church, proclaims him again in large letters to be a "COMMITTED CHRISTIAN," and describes how he "felt a beckoning and accepted Jesus Christ into [his] life":
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/21/obama/
And how about Ron Paul? He has conversations with God too:
I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.
http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm
How does God give Ron Paul guidance in all that he does?
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She sat in this church for 500 Sundays...
Quote the entire article you lying liar. ::)
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I wonder if she really believes this stuff? ???
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Quote the entire article you lying liar. ::)
I started a thread on it. Go there.
ten years in a church like that - and she resigns when the tapes of her speaking there start to come out.
I'm fine with her believing anything she wants. Free country.
But is that electable? Or less electable than other repubs who, let's say, HAVENT dissed the pope for a decade?
;)
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So you guys are fine w a pathological liar? Got it.
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I started a thread on it. Go there.
ten years in a church like that - and she resigns when the tapes of her speaking there start to come out.
I'm fine with her believing anything she wants. Free country.
But is that electable? Or less electable than other repubs who, let's say, HAVENT dissed the pope for a decade?
;)
LOL! Do you ever tell the truth? Here is the entire article. Note that she was a member of the church (on the books) for ten years, but only attended for less than eight years. So your claim that she attended for ten is an ouright lie.
Also note what the Catholic Church has to say about Bachmann:
The Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights issued a statement Thursday about Bachmann's denomination, saying it's "regrettable that there are still strains of anti-Catholicism in some Protestant circles."
"But we find no evidence of any bigotry on the part of Rep. Michele Bachmann," the statement continued. "Indeed, she has condemned anti-Catholicism. Just as President Barack Obama is not responsible for the views of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rep. Bachmann must be judged on the basis of her own record."
Michele Bachmann officially leaves her church
By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor
Washington (CNN) - Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann has long been a darling of conservative evangelicals, but shortly before announcing her White House bid, she officially quit a church she’d belonged to for years.
Bachmann, a Minnesota congresswoman, and her husband, Marcus, withdrew their membership from Salem Lutheran Church in Stillwater, Minnesota, last month, according to church officials.
The Bachmanns had been members of the church for more than 10 years, according to Joel Hochmuth, director of communications for the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, the broader denominational body of which Bachmann’s former church is a member.
The church council granted the Bachmanns’ request to be released from their membership on June 21, Hochmuth said.
After declaring at the CNN/WMUR/New Hampshire Union Leader presidential debate that she would seek the nomination, Bachmann formally announced her presidential bid June 27 in Waterloo, Iowa.
The Bachmanns approached their pastor and verbally made the request “a few weeks before the church council granted the request,” Hochmuth said. He added, “they had not been attending that congregation in over two years. They were still on the books as members, but then the church council acted on their request and released them from membership.”
Bachmann had listed her membership in the church on her campaign site for congress in 2006. She lists no church affiliation on her campaign website or her official congressional website.
Hochmuth said that a change in membership is not out of the ordinary. “You have people who are on the books as members, but they may have gone on to another church; they may not be attending a church anywhere. There’s all sorts of circumstances.”
A similar request for membership is to transfer membership from one church to another within the denomination. But that does not appear to be the case with the Bachmanns, according to Hochmuth, who said that to his knowledge, the couple was no longer attending a church within the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod.
Pastor Marcus Birkholz has been at the helm of Salem Lutheran Church for nearly three decades. When asked about the Bachmanns leaving the church, he said, “I’ve been asked to make no comments regarding them and their family.”
Bachmann was asked about her status with the church on Thursday at Reagan National Airport as she headed to catch a flight. When asked about her pastor, she asked, “Which one?” An aide quickly hustled her away, noting that they were late for a flight.
The Bachmann campaign declined to immediately respond to a request for further comment Friday.
Becky Rogness, a spokesperson in Bachmann’s congressional office, said the Congresswoman now attends a nondenominational church in the Stillwater area but did not know the name of the church or how long she had been attending.
Hochmuth said that, “My understanding of the situation was the timing of the request for release was far more coincidental than strategic.”
The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod has come under criticism from some Catholics for its views on the papacy, an institution that the denomination calls the Antichrist.
"We identify the Antichrist as the Papacy," the denomination's website says. "This is an historical judgment based on Scripture."
The Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights issued a statement Thursday about Bachmann's denomination, saying it's "regrettable that there are still strains of anti-Catholicism in some Protestant circles."
"But we find no evidence of any bigotry on the part of Rep. Michele Bachmann," the statement continued. "Indeed, she has condemned anti-Catholicism. Just as President Barack Obama is not responsible for the views of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rep. Bachmann must be judged on the basis of her own record."
The debate over the legitimacy of the papacy goes back to the Protestant Reformation. The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod's namesake is Martin Luther, who led the 16th century Reformation and who opposed the papacy.
“The issue of the papacy as the Antichrist does go back to Luther - he did use that terminology,” said Professor George C. Heider, theology chair at Valparaiso University, a Lutheran school in Indiana.
“Luther’s point was, that in his view, the pope was so obstructing the gospel of God’s free love in Jesus, even though he wore all the trappings of a leader in the church," Heider said. "He was functioning as the New Testament describes it as the Antichrist.”
Still, Heider notes that Roman Catholics and Lutherans have close ties today. They recognize each other's baptisms, a point of contention in relations between the Catholic Church and other Protestant denominations.
Salem Lutheran Church still maintains some ties with the Bachmann family. It lists a Christian counseling center operated by Bachmann’s husband on its website under special member services for confidential counseling.
Hochmuth said there are no formal ties between the counseling center and the denomination but added that it is not uncommon for churches to link off to members’ websites as in this case.
Bachmann and Associates has faced accusations that it uses a controversial therapy that encourages gay and lesbian patients to change their sexual orientation.
In an interview with the Minnesota Star Tribune published Friday, Marcus Bachmann did not deny that he or other counselors at his clinic used the technique but said they did so only at the request of a patient.
"Is it a remedy form that I typically would use?” he said. "It is at the client's discretion."
Salem Lutheran Church has about 800 members and holds three services each weekend. The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod is often referred to as theologically conservative. The denomination opposes same-sex marriage and abortion, both positions Bachmann has long endorsed politically.
The denomination has approximately 390,000 members in 48 states and 1,300 congregations in the United States and Canada.
Presidential candidates’ affiliation with churches and pastors played a dramatic role in the 2008 campaign for president.
Then-candidate Barack Obama resigned from his Chicago church in May 2008 after videos surfaced of his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, delivering fiery sermons that criticized certain U.S. policies.
In the speeches, Wright suggested that the U.S. government may be responsible for the spread of AIDS in the black community and equated some American wartime activities to terrorism.
Wright officiated the Obama’s wedding and baptized his children, and the Obamas were members at Wright’s church for years. After a sustained attention on Wright, Obama distanced himself from his former pastor.
During the same election cycle, Republican presidential nominee John McCain rejected endorsements from two prominent pastors, John Hagee and Rod Parsley, for controversial statements from the pastors’ pasts.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/15/michele-bachmann-officially-leaves-her-church/
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My own belief is that obama was using the church for political gain and connections, but that he agreed with a lot of the bullshit that rev wright said. He wasn't up there holding a microphone giving speeches all the time in his church.
These videos coming out of her speaking to the very church that considers the pope to be the antichrist... well, that's a tad different than just showing up in a pew. Obama showed poor judgemnt by attending such a church. bachmann showed VERY poor judgement by not only showing up - but by giving speeches too....
LMFAO double standard much?
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So you guys are fine w a pathological liar? Got it.
which republican candidate is the patholigical liar?
She's not currently running in any race against obama. She's running against huntsman, Mitt, Rpaul, etc. Which one of them is the pathological liar?
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Your messiah.
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Your messiah.
she isn't running against obama. She's running against other republicans.
Youre putting the cart before the horse.
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240 loves Huntsman because he knows RINOs get destroyed in elections. Easy win for his God-King.
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Anyone who claims to be a devout Christian has conversations with God. Like Obama:
I didn't become a Christian until many years later, when I moved to the South Side of Chicago after college. It happened not because of indoctrination or a sudden revelation, but because I spent month after month working with church folks who simply wanted to help neighbors who were down on their luck -- no matter what they looked like, or where they came from, or who they prayed to. It was on those streets, in those neighborhoods, that I first heard God's spirit beckon me. It was there that I felt called to a higher purpose -- His purpose."
http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/19/his-own-words-obama-religion
How is it he "heard God's spirit beckon" him, if God wasn't "talking" to him in some way?
Hillary Clinton is a firm believer in the Holy Spirit:
Clinton has told interviewers that she has felt the presence of the Holy Spirit on many occasions, and that she believes the resurrection of Christ is a historical fact; Obama regularly mentions his faith in his stump speech, and has made religion a major element of his appeal in many states.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/13/forum/index.html
Do you know what the Holy Spirit is? Is that's "voice in your head" helping you determine right from wrong.
Obama encouraged people to have conversations with God during his campaign:
Praying for campaigns and for the health of the nation is hardly new in elections. But this year has seen a more public display of faith among supporters of the Democrat nominee. The Obama campaign's prayer conference calls went from weekly to daily four months ago, and will continue through Election Day. Supporters of the Illinois senator have started prayer circles, enlisting friends to join them online, on the phone or in person to pray for wisdom for the candidate.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/02/prayer-warriors-fast-steps-florida-legislature/
More on Obama and the Holy Spirit speaking to him:
"The questions I had did not magically disappear," Obama wrote in his recent book, titled "The Audacity of Hope" after Wright's turn of phrase, of the day four years later when he made a formal commitment of Christian faith. "But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0716/p01s01-uspo.html
In his campaign literature, Obama claimed God talked to him:
Similarly, the front page of the brochure shows Obama in a chin-on-hand contemplative posture and underneath, it reads: "Answering the Call." The last page shows two more pictures of Obama in Church, proclaims him again in large letters to be a "COMMITTED CHRISTIAN," and describes how he "felt a beckoning and accepted Jesus Christ into [his] life":
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/21/obama/
And how about Ron Paul? He has conversations with God too:
I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.
http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm
How does God give Ron Paul guidance in all that he does?
So Bachmann isn't the only Politician having a 'conversation" with God.
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So Bachmann isn't the only Politician having a 'conversation" with God.
Not by a long shot. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Prayer_Breakfast
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Why is it that people who vehemently defend the right for Muslims to be completely fanatical, murderous, religious nutjobs always lose their shit when a Christian so much as hints at their strong religious foundations?
because christians are supposed to know better.
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Not by a long shot. :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Prayer_Breakfast
So all the people on here that say they cant vote for Bachmann because of this, shouldn't vote for Obama, Hillary or Ron Paul either then...
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So all the people on here that say they cant vote for Bachmann because of this, shouldn't vote for Obama, Hillary or Ron Paul either then...
Anyone who votes on someone's religious views over their economic policy at this point is a fool.
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So all the people on here that say they cant vote for Bachmann because of this, shouldn't vote for Obama, Hillary or Ron Paul either then...
Or anyone else running for president. They all have conversations with God. ::)
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Chalk this up as another failure thread from Blacken.
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God ordered the invasion of Iraq, via George Bush.
Why did god do that?
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God ordered the invasion of Iraq, via George Bush.
Why did god do that?
To crush the infidels? :)
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Chalk this up as another failure thread from Blacken.
I actually like this thread. :)
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I actually like this thread. :)
Same here, but I doubt this was the outcome Blacken had hoped for when he started this thread. :)
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To crush the infidels? :)
lol... i have to ask why God would even create the infidels... so we'd have someone to crush? LOL!
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I still want to know what she said that is so offensive to the delicate souls on this site?
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I still want to know what she said that is so offensive to the delicate souls on this site?
The same thing Obama, Hillary, and Ron Paul say about their faith. :)
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And why is she being singled out?
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And why is she being singled out?
cause her church where she admits attending mass for almost 8 years = equates the pope with the anti-christ.
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Two have nothing to w anything. Did you reach said clearly "I love catholics".
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Same here, but I doubt this was the outcome Blacken had hoped for when he started this thread. :)
oh your wrong,this is what i wanted to see, how many morons on this board would defend her for having conversations with god and having the invisible man make decisions for her. now i know there are no limits to the stupidity of some of the members of getbig to stay on party lines.funny as shit, but scary at the same time. ;D
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Why doid you vote for obama than?
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Why doid you vote for obama than?
this is about Bachmann conversations with God, stay on the topic. i know you have an obsession with obama,which i think is getting a little unhealthy :D
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this is about Bachmann conversations with God, stay on the topic. i know you have an obsession with obama,which i think is getting a little unhealthy :D
Read his own quotes.
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Obama: I pray every night, read the Bible
By Elise Viebeck - 11/27/10 12:13 PM ET
Praying and reading the Bible are part of his everyday life, President Obama said in a wide-ranging interview broadcast Friday.
Speaking with Barbara Walters, Obama and First Lady Michelle Obama also described how they involve their daughters in daily prayer.
"Michelle and I have not only benefited from our prayer life, but I think the girls have too," the president told Walters. "We say grace before we eat dinner every night. We take turns."
"n the end, we always say we hope we live long and strong," the first lady said.
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"Long and strong. And that we give back."
Obama has been dogged by criticism about his faith since he took office. A poll released in late August showed that a growing number of Americans — one in five, up from one in ten in March — say he is a Muslim.
When asked if he prays himself, the president said: "I do. Every night."
He also says that he reads the Bible, and, asked to explain why so many Americans deny that he is a Christian, blamed the internet.
"Well, you know, the Internet has a powerful effect these days, and so, the way rumors can take on a life of their own ends up being very powerful," he said.
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this is about Bachmann conversations with God, stay on the topic. i know you have an obsession with obama,which i think is getting a little unhealthy :D
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No, it's about double standards.
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this is about Bachmann conversations with God, stay on the topic. i know you have an obsession with obama,which i think is getting a little unhealthy :D
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Yeah how convenient to ignore the fact that you didn't say dick when your own messiah does essentially the same thing.
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For me if any politician did what Bachmann did I wouldn't vote for them. It's one to say you pray to god or god answered your prayers, but it's another thing to go preach about at a church.
I don't know that Reagan, Clinton or Bush did that. The accusation of a double standard falls flat there.
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For me if any politician did what Bachmann did I wouldn't vote for them. It's one to say you pray to god or god answered your prayers, but it's another thing to go preach about at a church.
I don't know that Reagan, Clinton or Bush did that. The accusation of a double standard falls flat there.
i've learned since i've been on this site that most of his accusations fall flat
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Oh lord, no pun intended, please tell me verbatim time and moment of what she said you find so upsetting? Again - time and second.
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Oh lord, no pun intended, please tell me verbatim time and moment of what she said you find so upsetting? Again - time and second.
I don't find any of it upsetting.
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i hope she has unlimited minutes :D :D :D
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Yeah how convenient to ignore the fact that you didn't say dick when your own messiah does essentially the same thing.
Why are you so intellectually dishonest all the time? You know the difference.
Obama is not linking specific policy decisions to god talking to him. Bush said this about Iraq. Bachmann said that god orders her to make specific moves (i.e. becoming a tax lawyer, something SHE HERSELF didn't want, but this is god, after all).
Personally, I don't think Obama believes in god, but there is such open and public hate for atheists (you always accuse them of being communist, which is just a slimeball move all the way) that a current politician has to profess belief in the imaginary, so simple people don't get so scared.
I believe you know all this already as well. You're just dishonest to yourself and other because you love to hate. So that's your life.
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Why are you so intellectually dishonest all the time? You know the difference.
Obama is not linking specific policy decisions to god talking to him. Bush said this about Iraq. Bachmann said that god orders her to make specific moves (i.e. becoming a tax lawyer, something SHE HERSELF didn't want, but this is god, after all).
Personally, I don't think Obama believes in god, but there is such open and public hate for atheists (you always accuse them of being communist, which is just a slimeball move all the way) that a current politician has to profess belief in the imaginary, so simple people don't get so scared.
I believe you know all this already as well. You're just dishonest to yourself and other because you love to hate. So that's your life.
Not true. Did you read the excerpts I posted from Obama, Hillary, and Ron Paul? They all want "the Holy Spirit" to help them make all decisions in their lives.
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Not true. Did you read the excerpts I posted from Obama, Hillary, and Ron Paul? They all want "the Holy Spirit" to help them make all decisions in their lives.
Did Clinton, Reagan, or Bush make speeches like that in churches?
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Did Clinton, Reagan, or Bush make speeches like that in churches?
Don't know. And don't care. They all had the same beliefs. They all had conversations with God. This is not something that will make a hill of beans difference in the campaign.
And look, the entire Obama having conversations with God. :)
First family to church
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2011/images/07/17/t1larg.first-family-church-better.t1larg.jpg)
Washington (CNN) - The first family attended St. John's Episcopal Church Sunday morning, according to White House pool reports.
President Obama and first lady Michele Obama waved en route to the church with their daughters Sasha and Malia.
St. John's is near the White House, across from Lafayette Park.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/17/first-family-to-church/
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I see a difference between preaching about in a church and answering a question about it and or going to church.
This kind of thing will make a difference in an election. She's not going to get far anyway.
Also, I'd have a problem voting for a woman who is submissive to her husband.
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I see a difference between preaching about in a church and answering a question about it and or going to church.
This kind of thing will make a difference in an election. She's not going to get far anyway.
Also, I'd have a problem voting for a woman who is submissive to her husband.
What is the difference between talking about your faith in a church and answering a question about your faith? Both people believe the same thing. I mean really, how is there any difference between Ron Paul saying "I seek His [Jesus Christ's] guidance in all that I do," and what Bachmann said in that clip?
She's not going to lose any votes for being a committed Christian. Obama was elected after running ads about his committed Christianity, and his conversations with God. Every president who wants to be elected has to do the same thing. Do you recall during one of the Democrat primary debates in 08 when they were asked to say what their favorite Bible verse was, and they all had one?
I'd have no problem voting for a woman who follows the Biblical model of marriage. Submission isn't about having the husband boss the wife around. It's in part about having someone be the leader of the household, who loves and respects his partner. Not exactly a radical idea. It has been around and used successfully for a long time.
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Pelosi said the same thing.
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The difference is that one was asked one wasn't. One simpply acknowledge a personal relationship the other paraded in a church. Show me where those presidents did that. Show me where the next candidates does what Michelle does and I won't for them either.
As for the submission thing, Michelle was told to do something and she did it Becuase she believes she is supposed to be submissive. No way I want that in the whitehouse.
She will lose the votes she needs to win a national election.
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You are blowing this way out of proportion.
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You are blowing this way out of proportion.
Coming from you that's hilarious.
But whatever, show me the candidate doing what Michelle did in church an I won't vote for them.
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The difference is that one was asked one wasn't. One simpply acknowledge a personal relationship the other paraded in a church. Show me where those presidents did that. Show me where the next candidates does what Michelle does and I won't for them either.
As for the submission thing, Michelle was told to do something and she did it Becuase she believes she is supposed to be submissive. No way I want that in the whitehouse.
She will lose the votes she needs to win a national election.
Ozmo you already voted for a man who not only said the same thing, he said it in a book and in campaign literature.
And who exactly is she going to lose votes to? The other candidates who believe the same thing?
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Ozmo you already voted for a man who not only said the same thing, he said it in a book and in campaign literature.
And who exactly is she going to lose votes to? The other candidates who believe the same thing?
Who would that be?
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Did what? You make it like she said we should accept illegal aliens from a pulpit. Oh wait that was nancy pelosi. Please bump your posts being pset over that. u
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Did what? You make it like she said we should accept illegal aliens from a pulpit. Oh wait that was nancy pelosi. Please bump your posts being pset over that. u
You need to get a better key board on your phone
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Lmao. True.
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Who would that be?
Obama, Romney, Rick Perry (and his national day of prayer), Ron Paul, etc., all of whom believe in God, have conversations with God, etc.
You really think voters who were inclined to vote for Bachmann, will now vote for Obama? (Assuming she makes it out of the primary.) I'm not really following how voters make that change based on her religious convictions, when those convictions mirror everyone else. And when the vast majority of the public identifies themselves as Christian. Being a committed Christian is an asset, not a liability, in a national political race.
And don't underestimate this woman. I think she will be a serious player in the primaries/caucuses.
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Obama, Romney, Rick Perry (and his national day of prayer), Ron Paul, etc., all of whom believe in God, have conversations with God, etc.
You really think voters who were inclined to vote for Bachmann, will now vote for Obama? (Assuming she makes it out of the primary.)
I don't think she will make it as the GOP Presidential Candidate, I don't think you believe she will either, maybe you do. She's going to lose votes in the primary, that's where it will cost her. I don't see moderate republicans voting for her.
Now, in a national election, repubs will vote for her regardless, Don't know about independents. Likely not.
I'm not really following how voters make that change based on her religious convictions, when those convictions mirror everyone else. And when the vast majority of the public identifies themselves as Christian. Being a committed Christian is an asset, not a liability, in a national political race.
And don't underestimate this woman. I think she will be a serious player in the primaries/caucuses.
I agree about it being an asset, don't get me wrong, i just think not with a church Speech like that.
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People are going to vote based on econommics mostly.
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Oz, you know that she was probably asked to speak about this by the church right?
you say that the difference is one was asked and the other wasnt...
do you think she just said screw it im going to go up and grab a mic and start talking?
ORRRRR
do you think the church asked her to speak?
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I don't think she will make it as the GOP Presidential Candidate, I don't think you believe she will either, maybe you do. She's going to lose votes in the primary, that's where it will cost her. I don't see moderate republicans voting for her.
Now, in a national election, repubs will vote for her regardless, Don't know about independents. Likely not.
I agree about it being an asset, don't get me wrong, i just think not with a church Speech like that.
Which viable primary candidate doesn't share her views? That's where I'm not following you. Unless you're saying people will not vote in the primary at all because they watch a clip of Bachmann talking about her faith.
I still think Romney is the front-runner, but I definitely believe Bachmann can win. Just look at her poll numbers since announcing. She has a great message. She has a great background. She's a good speaker. She's tough and classy. She's smart. And most importantly, she has liberal hacks in a tizzy, so she must be doing something right. :)
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People are going to vote based on econommics mostly.
Yep.
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Oz, you know that she was probably asked to speak about this by the church right?
you say that the difference is one was asked and the other wasnt...
do you think she just said screw it im going to go up and grab a mic and start talking?
ORRRRR
do you think the church asked her to speak?
Good point. Most guest speakers at churches are invited to speak.
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Which viable primary candidate doesn't share her views? That's where I'm not following you. Unless you're saying people will not vote in the primary at all because they watch a clip of Bachmann talking about her faith.
I still think Romney is the front-runner, but I definitely believe Bachmann can win. Just look at her poll numbers since announcing. She has a great message. She has a great background. She's a good speaker. She's tough and classy. She's smart. And most importantly, she has liberal hacks in a tizzy, so she must be doing something right. :)
Anyone still can win at this point. What she did in that church won't be the sole reason of course, just a potential one to add to others.
What viable candidate spoke in a church like her?
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Oz, you know that she was probably asked to speak about this by the church right?
you say that the difference is one was asked and the other wasnt...
do you think she just said screw it im going to go up and grab a mic and start talking?
ORRRRR
do you think the church asked her to speak?
Then did all those candidates do as she did?
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Then did all those candidates do as she did?
what did she do oz, admit her belief...
a belief that they all hold?
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People are going to vote based on econommics mostly.
I agree, they will vote against OB
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what did she do oz, admit her belief...
a belief that they all hold?
For me there is a difference from proffessing it in a church the way she did versus the way it's used in a campaign.
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For me there is a difference from proffessing it in a church the way she did versus the way it's used in a campaign.
LOL so somehow to you the idea that the other guy holds the same belief is ok, the fact that they voice their belief is ok
its just the venue in which they do it that is somewhat distasteful to you?
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Anyone still can win at this point. What she did in that church won't be the sole reason of course, just a potential one to add to others.
What viable candidate spoke in a church like her?
I don't know which ones spoke in a church, but I do know they all believe the same thing she does, and have publicly said many of the same things.
What I'm trying to get at is which primary candidate you think she will lose votes to, when they all share the same views?
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LOL so somehow to you the idea that the other guy holds the same belief is ok, the fact that they voice their belief is ok
its just the venue in which they do it that is somewhat distasteful to you?
Yeah, the way,the venue and the intention. Not only distasteful, but borderline zealotry. iMO.
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I don't know which ones spoke in a church, but I do know they all believe the same thing she does, and have publicly said many of the same things.
What I'm trying to get at is which primary candidate you think she will lose votes to, when they all share the same views?
She won't lose because of what she did in church, but she will lose votes because of it and in addition to other things that will come up.
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She won't lose because of what she did in church, but she will lose votes because of it and in addition to other things that will come up.
Lose votes to who?
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Lose votes to who?
Other repubs running for president Who else?
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Yeah, the way,the venue and the intention. Not only distasteful, but borderline zealotry. iMO.
not that i care b/c like i said earlier she isnt a viable candidate anyway.
but what was her intention? and what about the way did you find distasteful?
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Other repubs running for president Who else?
Ozmo that's the point I'm trying to make. You're saying she will lose votes because of her religious views, when every other viable candidate has the same views.
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Ozmo that's the point I'm trying to make. You're saying she will lose votes because of her religious views, when every other viable candidate has the same views.
I am not saying that she will lose votes because of her religious views. I am saying she will lose votes because speaking the way she did in her church will make her look like a zealot in some people's eyes.
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For what?
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not that i care b/c like i said earlier she isnt a viable candidate anyway.
but what was her intention? and what about the way did you find distasteful?
When someone takes the opportunity to tell a group of people what she told them makes her a borderline zealot in my eyes. now, I don't know enough about her to call her a zealot, but those clips point in that direction. I wouldn't vote for her. And to top it off, if it's correct, that church believing the pope is the anti- Christ tells me it's a church of nut jobs.
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I am not saying that she will lose votes because of her religious views. I am saying she will lose votes because speaking the way she did in her church will make her look like a zealot in some people's eyes.
Kinda going in circles, but to which candidate?
What she said is what Christians say all the time. That's classic church-speak. We (those who regularly attend church) talk like that in church all the time.
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Again. Ozmo - you care more about this than pelosi advocating for illegals from the pulpit? Lmao.
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Again. Ozmo - you care more about this than pelosi advocating for illegals from the pulpit? Lmao.
That's about the stupidest attempt to put words in my mouth I have ever seen. Or at the very least a cheap knock off of a retarded spin. by the same silly CT er logic so are you.
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Kinda going in circles, but to which candidate?
What she said is what Christians say all the time. That's classic church-speak. We (those who regularly attend church) talk like that in church all the time.
In churches that think the pope is the anti Christ?
And if that is how Clinton, Bush, or Reagan spoke, show me a clip or them speaking like that in a church.
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Its funny how all the anti christian stuff comes out when its a repub. When its a demo who does the same thing there is silence. Not a CT - its the truth.
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Its funny how all the anti christian stuff comes out when its a repub. When its a demo who does the same thing there is silence. Not a CT - its the truth.
What are you talking about now?
I thought I supposedly cared more about Pelosi a second go.
You have a clip on Pelosi? Would you like my thoughts on it?
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Guys I don't find anything odd about her statement. She has the same story with the similar details in each of the clips. Have faith in God. God really manifests many wonderful things for people we just don't know how and what ways he's blessing us all. Thank you God.
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she didn't really say that she didn't want ot be a tax lawyer - but did it because he husband wanted it? something about doing his bidding?
Bill Mauer made that up, right?
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Guys I don't find anything odd about her statement. She has the same story with the similar details in each of the clips. Have faith in God. God really manifests many wonderful things for people we just don't know how and what ways he's blessing us all. Thank you God.
And thanks for your two cents, Junior.
Always nice to hear a fresh opinion.
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Thump thump :D
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Thump thump :D
For what? I noticed you never respoded to the pelosi thread where she said we should pursue policies in line with the teachings of christ.
hhhhmmmm? ? ? ?
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Having conversations with God and claming the Papacy is the anti-Christ...This is the best stuff Bachmann detractors can muster?
Protestant churches have made that claim about the papacy for CENTURIES ON END, since the Reformation. How did this become such big news, regarding Bachmann?
I don't know which is more comical, this or that EEEEEEEVVVVIIIIIILLLLLL "anti-gay" clinic. ::)
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For what? I noticed you never respoded to the pelosi thread where she said we should pursue policies in line with the teachings of christ.
hhhhmmmm? ? ? ?
Go back my response in that thread.
Try and keep up 3333333.
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Having conversations with God and claming the Papacy is the anti-Christ...This is the best stuff Bachmann detractors can muster?
Protestant churches have made that claim about the papacy for CENTURIES ON END, since the Reformation. How did this become such big news, regarding Bachmann?
I don't know which is more comical, this or that EEEEEEEVVVVIIIIIILLLLLL "anti-gay" clinic. ::)
I never knew that. I attended several Christian churches over the years, one being baptist, the other 2 non denominational. None of them ever brought that up, in bible study, during church or in private conversations.
So what happens to the " claim" evereytime a pope dies? Is it like that guy who rpedicted the world was goig to end last month? Knd of looney don't ya think?
I really don't have a problem with bachmann having conversations with god outside of politics, I just wouldn't vote for her because of it.
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I never knew that. I attended several Christian churches over the years, one being baptist, the other 2 non denominational. None of them ever brought that up, in bible study, during church or in private conversations.
So what happens to the " claim" evereytime a pope dies? Is it like that guy who rpedicted the world was goig to end last month? Knd of looney don't ya think?
I really don't have a problem with bachmann having conversations with god outside of politics, I just wouldn't vote for her because of it.
Notice I said the PAPACY, not the pope. In other words, it's the position itself, not a particular guy who holds it.
Things that Bachmann has said are hardly a cause of concern for me, as I've heard this in church (both in mine and in others) since I was in my teens, at least. It's hardly news.
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Protestant churches have made that claim about the papacy for CENTURIES ON END,
ah, no they haven't. grew up presbyterian, then worked with lutherans and episcopalians - none of them have said that.
now, if you are referring to the fringe, fundey-type churches ( turn on any Rod Parsley or the PTL crowd ) and then you'd b right.
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ah, no they haven't. grew up presbyterian, then worked with lutherans and episcopalians - none of them have said that.
now, if you are referring to the fringe, fundey-type churches ( turn on any Rod Parsley or the PTL crowd ) and then you'd b right.
Ah, YES THEY HAVE!!!
I said that Protestant churches have done that. I've seen Baptists, Lutherans, non-demonational, SDAs, Pentecostals, etc., that have said as much.
And what makes them "fringe" again?
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literal interpretation of the bible.
or, Fred Phelps...very fringe.
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Notice I said the PAPACY, not the pope. In other words, it's the position itself, not a particular guy who holds it.
Things that Bachmann has said are hardly a cause of concern for me, as I've heard this in church (both in mine and in others) since I was in my teens, at least. It's hardly news.
Papacy? What do you mean? A position is the anti Christ? Please explain.
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Having conversations with God and claming the Papacy is the anti-Christ...This is the best stuff Bachmann detractors can muster?
Protestant churches have made that claim about the papacy for CENTURIES ON END, since the Reformation. How did this become such big news, regarding Bachmann?
I don't know which is more comical, this or that EEEEEEEVVVVIIIIIILLLLLL "anti-gay" clinic. ::)
True. Hadn't thought about that. Not exactly a new "teaching."
Ozmo: the fact she talked about her faith in a church is what's bothering you? Do you think she should have made those comments during a campaign speech instead? Seems to me church is exactly the place where a Christian should talk freely about conversations with God, etc.