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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #75 on: July 16, 2011, 10:51:34 AM »
What did she say exactly that you find objectionable? 

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #76 on: July 16, 2011, 10:53:38 AM »
What did she say exactly that you find objectionable? 

Do you want a time code?  :D

Most of what she said, as far as it relates to whether or not I would vote for her.  As far as whether I think it's ok for a person to do that?  I don't care.  That's their own personal belief.

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #77 on: July 16, 2011, 10:57:05 AM »
Weren't you on the Bachmann bandwagon? Oh wait, you were on the Palin bandwagon, too! You consistently stay on them just long enough to make it look like you actually were a supporter until you "edumucated" yourself.

I'm still on the bachmann bandwagon, if it is her vs obama.

if it's her versus huntsman or perry, i'm voting huntsman or perry.

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #78 on: July 16, 2011, 10:59:01 AM »
You know she probably doesn't believe any of that, right? She knows she can make up religious stories and get all kinds of support because THE OTHER PEOPLE actually believe that crap. If they ever had an original thought, it died of loneliness.

Just amazing how many stupid, stupid people there are.

A lot of them will be in church tomorrow.
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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #79 on: July 16, 2011, 11:00:02 AM »
You know she probably doesn't believe any of that, right? She knows she can make up religious stories and get all kinds of support because THE OTHER PEOPLE actually believe that crap. If they ever had an original thought, it died of loneliness.

Just amazing how many stupid, stupid people there are.

A lot of them will be in church tomorrow.

Rev wright hopes youare right.   His mortgage on his huge mansion ain't cheap.

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #80 on: July 16, 2011, 11:00:45 AM »
honestly, i think i'm arguing with middle schoolers sometimes.

if you don't like ice cream, then you must like broccoli.

No, bachmann is appearing to be a bit of a loony zealout.  Would I vote for her over obama, and put a bachmann sticker on my truck?  Yes I would.

Would I prefer a GOp candidate with less baggage get in?  Of course.  I think this is probably just the tip of the bachmann iceberg, and if rev wright nearly cost obama the white house, well some crazy church shit could do the same to bachmann.

honestly kids... saying 1 GOp candidate isn't ideal is NOT an endorsement of Obama.

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #81 on: July 16, 2011, 11:02:28 AM »
Rev wright hopes youare right.   His mortgage on his huge mansion ain't cheap.

You believed Rev Wright was a big deal - because obama sat there for 20 years while the lunatic ranted.

Sounds like bachmann didn't only sit there for ten years... but she did some ranting of her own.  Why in the world would she resign from her church right now?  The whole, "The pope is the devil" thing?  Oh my, i'm sure if she did lots of speeches, we'll have months and months worth of her saying some zealout shit.

Geez, stop defending these extremists and just give us a repub candidate who can get elected :)

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2011, 11:04:44 AM »
honestly, i think i'm arguing with middle schoolers sometimes.

if you don't like ice cream, then you must like broccoli.

No, bachmann is appearing to be a bit of a loony zealout.  Would I vote for her over obama, and put a bachmann sticker on my truck?  Yes I would.

Would I prefer a GOp candidate with less baggage get in?  Of course.  I think this is probably just the tip of the bachmann iceberg, and if rev wright nearly cost obama the white house, well some crazy church shit could do the same to bachmann.

honestly kids... saying 1 GOp candidate isn't ideal is NOT an endorsement of Obama.
deflecting and defending his policies and agenda is an endorsement of obama 240...

if you dont endorse obama then why do you do these things on an hourly basis?

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #83 on: July 16, 2011, 11:06:12 AM »
You believed Rev Wright was a big deal - because obama sat there for 20 years while the lunatic ranted.

Sounds like bachmann didn't only sit there for ten years... but she did some ranting of her own.  Why in the world would she resign from her church right now?  The whole, "The pope is the devil" thing?  Oh my, i'm sure if she did lots of speeches, we'll have months and months worth of her saying some zealout shit.

Geez, stop defending these extremists and just give us a repub candidate who can get elected :)

What did she says exactly you find so xtreme

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #84 on: July 16, 2011, 11:26:46 AM »


i hope she has unlimited minutes  :D :D :D

Preach sistah!   :)  Great clip gimmick. 

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #85 on: July 16, 2011, 11:29:00 AM »

What is Prayer, if it is not a conversation with God?

That's exactly what prayer is. 

She is testifying about how God has answered her prayers numerous times.  The answer doesn't come in the form of God appearing at your dining room table and having a talk with you.  It's circumstances, people in your path, family, friends, etc.  You have to use your common sense too.   

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #86 on: July 16, 2011, 11:31:39 AM »
she was a member of a church that says the pope is the anti-christ.

if you think that will play well nationally - amidst her sudden resignation 5 minutes after these tapes go public - then that's your take.

my belief is that the GOp field contains candidate without this kind of baggage.

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #87 on: July 16, 2011, 11:32:37 AM »
What did she says exactly you find so xtreme

She sat in this church for 500 Sundays...

She spends 10 years going to this church which preaches Pope = The AntiChrist.  You can't make this kinda stuff up!



Bachmann quits church

CNN reports that Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann has quit her church.

Bachmann, a Minnesota congresswoman, and her husband, Marcus, withdrew their membership from Salem Lutheran Church in Stillwater, Minnesota, last month, according to church officials.

The Bachmanns had been members of the church for more than 10 years, according to Joel Hochmuth, director of communications for the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, the broader denominational body of which Bachmann’s former church is a member.

The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod has drawn criticism for being anti-Catholic, CNN adds.

"We identify the Antichrist as the Papacy," the denomination's website says. "This is an historical judgment based on Scripture."
 

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #88 on: July 16, 2011, 11:37:11 AM »
She sat in this church for 500 Sundays...


so does that mean Peter was the first anti-christ?

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #89 on: July 16, 2011, 11:41:47 AM »
Yet according to you obama is not extreme for being in wrights' church?  Wtf? 

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #90 on: July 16, 2011, 11:42:06 AM »
so does that mean Peter was the first anti-christ?

I know that "the pope is the antichrist" ain't gonna play well nationally.

it's clear as day - the church states its belief as "Antichrist as the Papacy".

Something in my gut says you can't spend ten years dissing the pope then try to win the US presidency.  No wonder she resigned so quickly from her church after a decade.

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #91 on: July 16, 2011, 11:43:48 AM »
Yet according to you obama is not extreme for being in wrights' church?  Wtf? 

My own belief is that obama was using the church for political gain and connections, but that he agreed with a lot of the bullshit that rev wright said.  He wasn't up there holding a microphone giving speeches all the time in his church.

These videos coming out of her speaking to the very church that considers the pope to be the antichrist... well, that's a tad different than just showing up in a pew.  Obama showed poor judgemnt by attending such a church.  bachmann showed VERY poor judgement by not only showing up - but by giving speeches too....

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #92 on: July 16, 2011, 11:44:40 AM »
Anyone who claims to be a devout Christian has conversations with God.  Like Obama:

I didn't become a Christian until many years later, when I moved to the South Side of Chicago after college. It happened not because of indoctrination or a sudden revelation, but because I spent month after month working with church folks who simply wanted to help neighbors who were down on their luck -- no matter what they looked like, or where they came from, or who they prayed to. It was on those streets, in those neighborhoods, that I first heard God's spirit beckon me. It was there that I felt called to a higher purpose -- His purpose."

http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/19/his-own-words-obama-religion

How is it he "heard God's spirit beckon" him, if God wasn't "talking" to him in some way?  

Hillary Clinton is a firm believer in the Holy Spirit:

Clinton has told interviewers that she has felt the presence of the Holy Spirit on many occasions, and that she believes the resurrection of Christ is a historical fact; Obama regularly mentions his faith in his stump speech, and has made religion a major element of his appeal in many states.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/13/forum/index.html

Do you know what the Holy Spirit is?  Is that's "voice in your head" helping you determine right from wrong.  

Obama encouraged people to have conversations with God during his campaign:

Praying for campaigns and for the health of the nation is hardly new in elections. But this year has seen a more public display of faith among supporters of the Democrat nominee. The Obama campaign's prayer conference calls went from weekly to daily four months ago, and will continue through Election Day. Supporters of the Illinois senator have started prayer circles, enlisting friends to join them online, on the phone or in person to pray for wisdom for the candidate.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/02/prayer-warriors-fast-steps-florida-legislature/

More on Obama and the Holy Spirit speaking to him:

"The questions I had did not magically disappear," Obama wrote in his recent book, titled "The Audacity of Hope" after Wright's turn of phrase, of the day four years later when he made a formal commitment of Christian faith. "But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth."

http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0716/p01s01-uspo.html

In his campaign literature, Obama claimed God talked to him:

Similarly, the front page of the brochure shows Obama in a chin-on-hand contemplative posture and underneath, it reads: "Answering the Call." The last page shows two more pictures of Obama in Church, proclaims him again in large letters to be a "COMMITTED CHRISTIAN," and describes how he "felt a beckoning and accepted Jesus Christ into [his] life":

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/01/21/obama/

And how about Ron Paul?  He has conversations with God too:

I have never been one who is comfortable talking about my faith in the political arena. In fact, the pandering that typically occurs in the election season I find to be distasteful. But for those who have asked, I freely confess that Jesus Christ is my personal Savior, and that I seek His guidance in all that I do. I know, as you do, that our freedoms come not from man, but from God. My record of public service reflects my reverence for the Natural Rights with which we have been endowed by a loving Creator.

http://www.covenantnews.com/ronpaul070721.htm

How does God give Ron Paul guidance in all that he does?  

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #93 on: July 16, 2011, 11:45:34 AM »
She sat in this church for 500 Sundays...


Quote the entire article you lying liar.   ::)

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #94 on: July 16, 2011, 11:46:32 AM »
I wonder if she really believes this stuff? ???
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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #95 on: July 16, 2011, 11:47:14 AM »
Quote the entire article you lying liar.   ::)

I started a thread on it.  Go there.  

ten years in a church like that - and she resigns when the tapes of her speaking there start to come out.

I'm fine with her believing anything she wants.  Free country.

But is that electable?  Or less electable than other repubs who, let's say, HAVENT dissed the pope for a decade?
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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #96 on: July 16, 2011, 11:48:10 AM »
So you guys are fine w a pathological liar?   Got it.

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #97 on: July 16, 2011, 11:51:42 AM »
I started a thread on it.  Go there.  

ten years in a church like that - and she resigns when the tapes of her speaking there start to come out.

I'm fine with her believing anything she wants.  Free country.

But is that electable?  Or less electable than other repubs who, let's say, HAVENT dissed the pope for a decade?
 ;)

LOL!  Do you ever tell the truth?  Here is the entire article.  Note that she was a member of the church (on the books) for ten years, but only attended for less than eight years.  So your claim that she attended for ten is an ouright lie.

Also note what the Catholic Church has to say about Bachmann:

The Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights issued a statement Thursday about Bachmann's denomination, saying it's "regrettable that there are still strains of anti-Catholicism in some Protestant circles."

"But we find no evidence of any bigotry on the part of Rep. Michele Bachmann," the statement continued. "Indeed, she has condemned anti-Catholicism. Just as President Barack Obama is not responsible for the views of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rep. Bachmann must be judged on the basis of her own record."

Michele Bachmann officially leaves her church
By Eric Marrapodi, CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor

Washington (CNN) - Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann has long been a darling of conservative evangelicals, but shortly before announcing her White House bid, she officially quit a church she’d belonged to for years.

Bachmann, a Minnesota congresswoman, and her husband, Marcus, withdrew their membership from Salem Lutheran Church in Stillwater, Minnesota, last month, according to church officials.

The Bachmanns had been members of the church for more than 10 years, according to Joel Hochmuth, director of communications for the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod, the broader denominational body of which Bachmann’s former church is a member.

The church council granted the Bachmanns’ request to be released from their membership on June 21, Hochmuth said.

After declaring at the CNN/WMUR/New Hampshire Union Leader presidential debate that she would seek the nomination, Bachmann formally announced her presidential bid June 27 in Waterloo, Iowa.

The Bachmanns approached their pastor and verbally made the request “a few weeks before the church council granted the request,” Hochmuth said. He added, “they had not been attending that congregation in over two years. They were still on the books as members, but then the church council acted on their request and released them from membership.”

Bachmann had listed her membership in the church on her campaign site for congress in 2006. She lists no church affiliation on her campaign website or her official congressional website.

Hochmuth said that a change in membership is not out of the ordinary. “You have people who are on the books as members, but they may have gone on to another church; they may not be attending a church anywhere. There’s all sorts of circumstances.”

A similar request for membership is to transfer membership from one church to another within the denomination. But that does not appear to be the case with the Bachmanns, according to Hochmuth, who said that to his knowledge, the couple was no longer attending a church within the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod.

Pastor Marcus Birkholz has been at the helm of Salem Lutheran Church for nearly three decades. When asked about the Bachmanns leaving the church, he said, “I’ve been asked to make no comments regarding them and their family.”

Bachmann was asked about her status with the church on Thursday at Reagan National Airport as she headed to catch a flight. When asked about her pastor, she asked, “Which one?” An aide quickly hustled her away, noting that they were late for a flight.

The Bachmann campaign declined to immediately respond to a request for further comment Friday.

Becky Rogness, a spokesperson in Bachmann’s congressional office, said the Congresswoman now attends a nondenominational church in the Stillwater area but did not know the name of the church or how long she had been attending.

Hochmuth said that, “My understanding of the situation was the timing of the request for release was far more coincidental than strategic.”

The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod has come under criticism from some Catholics for its views on the papacy, an institution that the denomination calls the Antichrist.

"We identify the Antichrist as the Papacy," the denomination's website says. "This is an historical judgment based on Scripture."

The Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights issued a statement Thursday about Bachmann's denomination, saying it's "regrettable that there are still strains of anti-Catholicism in some Protestant circles."

"But we find no evidence of any bigotry on the part of Rep. Michele Bachmann," the statement continued. "Indeed, she has condemned anti-Catholicism. Just as President Barack Obama is not responsible for the views of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rep. Bachmann must be judged on the basis of her own record."

The debate over the legitimacy of the papacy goes back to the Protestant Reformation. The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod's namesake is Martin Luther, who led the 16th century Reformation and who opposed the papacy.

“The issue of the papacy as the Antichrist does go back to Luther - he did use that terminology,” said Professor George C. Heider, theology chair at Valparaiso University, a Lutheran school in Indiana.

“Luther’s point was, that in his view, the pope was so obstructing the gospel of God’s free love in Jesus, even though he wore all the trappings of a leader in the church," Heider said. "He was functioning as the New Testament describes it as the Antichrist.”

Still, Heider notes that Roman Catholics and Lutherans have close ties today. They recognize each other's baptisms, a point of contention in relations between the Catholic Church and other Protestant denominations.

Salem Lutheran Church still maintains some ties with the Bachmann family. It lists a Christian counseling center operated by Bachmann’s husband on its website under special member services for confidential counseling.

Hochmuth said there are no formal ties between the counseling center and the denomination but added that it is not uncommon for churches to link off to members’ websites as in this case.

Bachmann and Associates has faced accusations that it uses a controversial therapy that encourages gay and lesbian patients to change their sexual orientation.

In an interview with the Minnesota Star Tribune published Friday, Marcus Bachmann did not deny that he or other counselors at his clinic used the technique but said they did so only at the request of a patient.

"Is it a remedy form that I typically would use?” he said. "It is at the client's discretion."

Salem Lutheran Church has about 800 members and holds three services each weekend. The Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod is often referred to as theologically conservative. The denomination opposes same-sex marriage and abortion, both positions Bachmann has long endorsed politically.

The denomination has approximately 390,000 members in 48 states and 1,300 congregations in the United States and Canada.

Presidential candidates’ affiliation with churches and pastors played a dramatic role in the 2008 campaign for president.

Then-candidate Barack Obama resigned from his Chicago church in May 2008 after videos surfaced of his longtime pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, delivering fiery sermons that criticized certain U.S. policies.

In the speeches, Wright suggested that the U.S. government may be responsible for the spread of AIDS in the black community and equated some American wartime activities to terrorism.

Wright officiated the Obama’s wedding and baptized his children, and the Obamas were members at Wright’s church for years. After a sustained attention on Wright, Obama distanced himself from his former pastor.

During the same election cycle, Republican presidential nominee John McCain rejected endorsements from two prominent pastors, John Hagee and Rod Parsley, for controversial statements from the pastors’ pasts.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/15/michele-bachmann-officially-leaves-her-church/

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #98 on: July 16, 2011, 11:52:12 AM »
My own belief is that obama was using the church for political gain and connections, but that he agreed with a lot of the bullshit that rev wright said.  He wasn't up there holding a microphone giving speeches all the time in his church.

These videos coming out of her speaking to the very church that considers the pope to be the antichrist... well, that's a tad different than just showing up in a pew.  Obama showed poor judgemnt by attending such a church.  bachmann showed VERY poor judgement by not only showing up - but by giving speeches too....
LMFAO double standard much?

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Re: Bachmann conversations with God- Recorded at her church 2006
« Reply #99 on: July 16, 2011, 11:53:18 AM »
So you guys are fine w a pathological liar?   Got it.

which republican candidate is the patholigical liar?

She's not currently running in any race against obama.  She's running against huntsman, Mitt, Rpaul, etc.  Which one of them is the pathological liar?