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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: whitewidow on July 21, 2011, 04:35:31 PM
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Do you like Franco columbu? I think he is the best bodybuilder who ever lived. pd for pd nobody can deny franco was the strongest best conditioned bodybuider especially for the amount of drugs he used. Do you think you match up to guys like franco. or would you be dwarfed by a 180pd bodybuilder. Also are you as strong as franco? Your such a badass I thought I would ask. what do you think about his lifting form. perfect in my book. ever see him box in pumping iron? could he knock you the fuck out? or are you tougher than him?Can you blow up a hot water balloon? Id like to know your opinion of the greatest bodybuilder who ever competed.
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lol
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Franco is good but he's a child. He comes to gh15 for advices.
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franco is a good bit stronger than nasser,nasser was a lot more massive and looked a lot better from the front,franco had a much better back,never seen nasser blow up a hotwater bottle or box,nasser lokks better in glasses.
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I remember when Franco criticized Yates' back in Flex mag. :D
"you're not supposed to see space between the arm and lat in the rear lat spread"
Of course, Franco had short arms, which MAY have had something to do with his "no space" lat spread. :D
No space
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Space
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I remember when Franco criticized Yates' back in Flex mag. :D
"you're not supposed to see space between the arm and lat in the rear lat spread"
Of course, Franco had short arms, which MAY have had something to do with his "no space" lat spread. :D
Dorian's back blows Franco's out of the fucking water.
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Franco is good but he's a child. He comes to gh15 for advices.
:D
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Do you like Franco columbu? I think he is the best bodybuilder who ever lived. pd for pd nobody can deny franco was the strongest best conditioned bodybuider especially for the amount of drugs he used. Do you think you match up to guys like franco. or would you be dwarfed by a 180pd bodybuilder. Also are you as strong as franco? Your such a badass I thought I would ask. what do you think about his lifting form. perfect in my book. ever see him box in pumping iron? could he knock you the fuck out? or are you tougher than him?Can you blow up a hot water balloon? Id like to know your opinion of the greatest bodybuilder who ever competed.
Franco was a classic Bodybuilder..with mediocre genetics he developed a stupendous physique..hardcore old country work ethic..truly an inspiration..he was really something..unless you were around at that time, you don't really know.
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These guys are like animals man. Look at that we should call him that bat.
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Do you like Franco columbu? I think he is the best bodybuilder who ever lived. pd for pd nobody can deny franco was the strongest best conditioned bodybuider especially for the amount of drugs he used. Do you think you match up to guys like franco. or would you be dwarfed by a 180pd bodybuilder. Also are you as strong as franco? Your such a badass I thought I would ask. what do you think about his lifting form. perfect in my book. ever see him box in pumping iron? could he knock you the fuck out? or are you tougher than him?Can you blow up a hot water balloon? Id like to know your opinion of the greatest bodybuilder who ever competed.
Now you're just sounding sad and pathetic. Didn't you say you were a millionaire?
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Franco was carved out of stone.
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heres franco
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Franco was carved out of stone.
that fucking italian had muscles!
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according to beefy franco couldnt get enough of the salami back in the days.
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Franco was carved out of stone.
Except for his legs which were carved out of twigs.
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Franco is good but he's a child. He comes to gh15 for advices.
Sitting on the shitter and literally laughed out loud! ;D
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I think he was a badass fascist..
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Fuck Arnold, Franco is the reason I started lifting weights.
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I remember when Franco criticized Yates' back in Flex mag. :D
"you're not supposed to see space between the arm and lat in the rear lat spread"
Heh, I remember that, I must have been about 16... ;D
Dorian's back blows Franco's out of the fucking water.
Matter of opinion, that. ;)
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Franco was (is) cockier than Arnold.
He still thinks he was the best man in Mr.O 81' ...
He hasnt met anyone that agrees with him , Im serious.... but the guy's ego is HUGE.
WOOOSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Short men tend to have inferiority complexes because they are inferior to the tall man.
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gh15 what would FRANCO'S stack look like in the late 70's to the early 80's when he stopped competing?? Would be interesting to know!
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No Response = gh15 is Franco
Heard it hear first bitches
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Franco used minimal anabolics unlike nasser el sonbaty. and as far as dorians back compared to francos look at how much more shapely francos back is and also remeber he wasnt getting site injections in the back like yates. I dont think Franco was that great when he won the olympia in 81. It was politics that got him that win, but he was at his peak in 78-79 and looked better than arnold.IMO. think of all the drugs that were not even on the market back then. It was all based on really brutal workouts and just basic testosterone/deca stacks. low doses too. also there were not very many underground labs today run by teenagers. everything the old timers used was human grade from the pharmacy. could anybody imagine nasser hanging from a chin-up bar with a pair of gravity boots-lol. Franco has the best pull-up form I have ever seen. I dont even think nasser can do a proper pull-up. not like franco anyway.
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Gh15 wont respond I own his mind! ;) I have a way of getting under his skin to the point of tears
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Ive never seen a pic of franco training his lower body
as far as minimal drugs, sure, he was freaky strong but apparentely relied heavily on orals, including anavar, pretty sure he was juiced to the gills
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Ive never seen a pic of franco training his lower body
as far as minimal drugs, sure, he was freaky strong but apparentely relied heavily on orals, including anavar, pretty sure he was juiced to the gills
No doubt, im sure there was plenty of Halo and Dbol in him too
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Franco used minimal anabolics unlike nasser el sonbaty. and as far as dorians back compared to francos look at how much more shapely francos back is and also remeber he wasnt getting site injections in the back like yates. I dont think Franco was that great when he won the olympia in 81. It was politics that got him that win, but he was at his peak in 78-79 and looked better than arnold.IMO. think of all the drugs that were not even on the market back then. It was all based on really brutal workouts and just basic testosterone/deca stacks. low doses too. also there were not very many underground labs today run by teenagers. everything the old timers used was human grade from the pharmacy. could anybody imagine nasser hanging from a chin-up bar with a pair of gravity boots-lol. Franco has the best pull-up form I have ever seen. I dont even think nasser can do a proper pull-up. not like franco anyway.
haha STFU dick..they mega dosed also - clown ::)
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EVERYBODY megadosed.
if theyd had synthol theyd have used it
insulin, ditto
growth, yep
people believe the "Iron Age" ::) was pure. bullshit
they were greats, yes, but fundamentally the same bbers of today in a different era
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Ive never seen a pic of franco training his lower body
as far as minimal drugs, sure, he was freaky strong but apparentely relied heavily on orals, including anavar, pretty sure he was juiced to the gills
I've always wondered since he came from a small town, and from what it looks like, very old skool...so how the mofo get so damn big?
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could anybody imagine nasser hanging from a chin-up bar with a pair of gravity boots-lol.
lol..this is definitely true
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Ive never seen a pic of franco training his lower body
as far as minimal drugs, sure, he was freaky strong but apparentely relied heavily on orals, including anavar, pretty sure he was juiced to the gills
not like todays bodybuilders. they didnt have all these weird exotic drugs back then.I dont even think they used HGH. It wasnt until lee haney. even he didnt use exotics. I talked to lee personally and he used a vial of sust everyday, 400mg deca once a week and 150mg of anadrol 6 months out of the year. That was a heavy cycle back then.In the franco days they didnt use half of what haney used
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haha STFU dick..they mega dosed also - clown ::)
bullshit! not anything like todays pros. they didnt have those exotic they do nowadays. Thats a retarded popst will.your saying they used the same amount as todays pros? your crazy sambo
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I've always wondered since he came from a small town, and from what it looks like, very old skool...so how the mofo get so damn big?
minimal test,dbol,deca just basics in small amounts and alot of hard work. working out till popint of throwing up everyday. todays pros are lazy and not nearly as strong as franco
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minimal test,dbol,deca just basics in small amounts and alot of hard work. working out till popint of throwing up everyday. todays pros are lazy and not nearly as strong as franco
BOMBACLAT!!!!
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Franco didn't even look good for a short man... he's like a tall guy but miniature, he had didn't have the freaky arms and legs of Priest, he was strong though
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EVERYBODY megadosed.
if theyd had synthol theyd have used it
insulin, ditto
growth, yep
people believe the "Iron Age" ::) was pure. bullshit
they were greats, yes, but fundamentally the same bbers of today in a different era
Then why did they train harder and do more freeweights than the pros of now? And why did Franco enter WSM and blow up hot air balloons in his spare time? Because hes a phony like Phil Heath?? ???
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we all megadose and use anything and everything we can ...back then and now ...diff is now it is mega dose on hgh and particularly insulina,, thats the all diff friends,, as i said before....no hormones and on a REGULAR! basis = no bodybuilder,,
]you will go from 185 10% to 180 9% to 175 7% to 170 6.5% to 165 6% to 160 5.5% ....you still! at 160lb 5'10!! wont be anything but 5.5% ,,this is natural for you my friends,,,actualy natural who been to designer steroids lol ,,this is it my friends,, and this! is natural who....eat on the clock 8 meals a day lol ,,
no hormons = twister 150lb....yep you heard that right and not 6% lol
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franco wasnt even competing in 78,79.he won the 76 o and then got hurt in wsm and didnt compete again until 81,and must have took a lot of what was available,cause he had gyno pretty bad in 81.
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Then why did they train harder and do more freeweights than the pros of now? And why did Franco enter WSM and blow up hot air balloons in his spare time? Because hes a phony like Phil Heath?? ???
did I say he was lazy?
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not like todays bodybuilders. they didnt have all these weird exotic drugs back then.I dont even think they used HGH. It wasnt until lee haney. even he didnt use exotics. I talked to lee personally and he used a vial of sust everyday, 400mg deca once a week and 150mg of anadrol 6 months out of the year. That was a heavy cycle back then.In the franco days they didnt use half of what haney used
obviously no gh in the 70's, but remember anabolics were not immoral or wrong to take back then, this was pre 1982, also not illegal
it was another sup that actually worked
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I've always wondered since he came from a small town, and from what it looks like, very old skool...so how the mofo get so damn big?
I think he lived in germany as a youngster, spoke fluent german
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LOL @ "mega doses". Sure they took their share but "mega doses" is a little extream. You guys seem to forget or just don't know, that back then drugs really were the finishing touches and actual training still was king. Unlike GH15 and the other of this day.
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LOL @ "mega doses". Sure they took their share but "mega doses" is a little extream. You guys seem to forget or just don't know, that back then drugs really were the finishing touches and actual training still was king. Unlike GH15 and the other of this day.
bob and rory took just finishing touches?
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Bob and Rory trained their asses off.
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I dont doubt they did,
were they natural in the off season and start aas pre contest?
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Bob wasn't on anything but Rory was.
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Bob wasn't on anything but Rory was.
thats in the off season?
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Yes. Bob would take breaks for pretty long periods of time.
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I'm sure that i have seen pics of Bob offseason where he ia walking around at about 240+.....
Bodybuilders are like everyone else in sport bar the 1% with principles, they take whatever they can get their hands on.
If all of the guys in the seventies could get their hands on slin and hgh they would hqve been megadosing it like the gear, simple as can be. Bodybuilding isn't a pursuit that attracts moderate personality's.
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Gh15 is Whitewidow...
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Franco didn't even look good for a short man... he's like a tall guy but miniature, he had didn't have the freaky arms and legs of Priest, he was strong though
That's because he was about 180-190, and he had a way better chest than Lee could ever imagine...
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LOL @ "mega doses". Sure they took their share but "mega doses" is a little extream. You guys seem to forget or just don't know, that back then drugs really were the finishing touches and actual training still was king. Unlike GH15 and the other of this day.
no!,,they wer ethen what they are now,, BODYBUILDING = DRUGS
if you want to be on stage 164lb before carb up...sure be natural ,, this is at 5'10!! sure you can do it naturaly sitting with your nice 6% saying you are 4...since you think you are dry enough but not quite in reality.....so yes 5'10 163 before carb up ...then 165.5lb on stage ...sure you can be this naturaly at 5'10 lol
but....if you want to be 220 with abs at 5'6 and 1/8 of an inch... lol well for that you will have to go to twister for a session lol
in reality fellas the height of twister ....they dont even see 150lb on stage and not at 4% lol naturaly you dont get to 4% and remain normal looking ... lol the fellas of the twister type who go on stge 5'6 190 lol 5% ....they are on anything and eveyrthing,, that include in many times mega dosing ,, and really chase after drugs,, its alwyas a chase after the next thing...always cabinet is full of goodies and if not cabinet than the other secret place,, especialy in americana with those liar scambags ,,always buy buy buy and collect collect collect for a rainy day ...cuz if a rainy day come....twister is at 160lb like there is no tomorow he is going down to 160lb 10% so fast...and 10% is in a good scenario ...but he going down so fat to 160lb ...that you wont be able to say jack and he is there.. 1 single year truly clean twisteer at true singledigit bodyfat will weight 1 6 0 lb ...reason you wont see him there is because even if he get into a rainy day and didnt collect the hormones for that rainy day ...he will just maintain the weight by adddddddddint bodyfat lol ! ! !
and that my friends! is the
truth : )
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LMAO...hahaha!
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bullshit! not anything like todays pros. they didnt have those exotic they do nowadays. Thats a retarded popst will.your saying they used the same amount as todays pros? your crazy sambo
No - but still huge amounts, see Figo's post this is what I meant.
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I think he was a badass fascist..
yeah but could he beat Mussollini in a rear lat pose?
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Think gh15 mentioned once franco loved his anavar 150mg-200mg a day.
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well. coming up in that era.. i can tell ya that dbol was abused big time.. and that was even in the low level guys.. i know what greg deferro took.. and he was in the same era.. it truly was not much different than now.. the test was a bit lower but the orals were every high.. franco had monster bitch tits when he won the olympia.. he did not get that by low dosing the cycles lol.. again, test may not have been as high but orals were consumed by the handful.. bob kennedy from musclemag once wrote that john brown ,another well known competitor in that era, was at dinner with him when he took a literal handful of dbol from a bottle and took them.. he said he did not measure it out but, just took a handful.. he did that a few times a day.. so dont kid yourselves.. sure some took more time off than they do today.. but they had their share of abusers..
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150-200mg a day? GH15 is delusional. Back then Anavar came in 2.5 - 5mg tabs. 2.5 being football shaped and white.
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150-200mg a day? GH15 is delusional. Back then Anavar came in 2.5 - 5mg tabs. 2.5 being football shaped and white.
keep asking yourself why you never been nothing.....youll find your answer in the rubbish you wrote above,, yes legit anavar circa 1970 1980 came in 2.5mg tablets....true.... but! it was taken in packages ! a day ,, PACKAGES!,, ofcourse it was not 150mg i did nto say it ,, i said NOW DAY WITH THE GARBAGE VAR POWEDER.....WHEN ITS 30% PURITY ....YOU NEEED 150.....TO GET THE EQUIVALENT OF WHAT TOOK BACK THOSE DAYS WHICH WAS 50MG....NOW FOR TWISTER WE WIL DO MATH TOGETHER ....READY PUPILS? HERE WE GO
50MG DEVIDED BY...2.5 MG =
20 TABLONAS OF OXANDROLONAS IN A DAILONAS INTO A BODYBUILDONAS BLOODONAS...
UNDERSTOOD ?
good
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I'm sure that i have seen pics of Bob offseason where he ia walking around at about 240+.....
Bodybuilders are like everyone else in sport bar the 1% with principles, they take whatever they can get their hands on.
If all of the guys in the seventies could get their hands on slin and hgh they would hqve been megadosing it like the gear, simple as can be. Bodybuilding isn't a pursuit that attracts moderate personality's.
paris seemed like a very intelligent bodybuilder, he probably cut back a lot in the off season, I wasnt there, coach was his training partner, but I suspect paris cut back a lot and used maintenancce doses when off, and how would anyone know, everyone lies
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1. Don't EVER call me your "pupil".
2. We had the same Dr. and even know what pharmacy he had it filled.
3. You're still delusional.
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1. you are my pupil ,,just a twister one ,, they are usualy in the back of class picking their nose
2. who is we ,, and you dont know what bodybuild do in his own privacy,, for all you knew one eye puntem was happily fucking his whore jessica...was it the case?
3.im god
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look.. I posted this many times and people laughed at me
Arnold would pop between 200 and 400 mg legit dbol daily... laugh all you want but it is thuth
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yeah but could he beat Mussollini in a rear lat pose?
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This one's been posted before, but it's very funny..
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This one's been posted before, but it's very funny..
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look.. I posted this many times and people laughed at me
Arnold would pop between 200 and 400 mg legit dbol daily... laugh all you want but it is thuth
to me the 70's through to the early 90's is bbing, it peaked then, and my favorite era is the 80's
as much as I admire arnold, zane, dickerson, gaspari, haney, benfatto, yates, flex, shawn, they did whatever it took, theres no moral compass, just their personal judgement.
it doesnt take away from their work ethic or make them bad examples, its bbing
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1. you are my pupil ,,just a twister one ,, they are usualy in the back of class picking their nose
There is NOTHING you could possibly teach me.
2. who is we ,, and you dont know what bodybuild do in his own privacy,, for all you knew one eye puntem was happily fucking his whore jessica...was it the case?
It's none of your business
3.im god
Nothing like a idolatry and blasphemy to start your Sunday.
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Maybe if you had an ounce of humility you might have a better chance of not being such a joke. You might have the children fooled on here but not the ones that have been around for a while. You're not God.....you're an idiot.
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Maybe if you had an ounce of humility you might have a better chance of not being such a joke. You might have the children fooled on here but not the ones that have been around for a while. You're not God.....you're an idiot.
again for the million time,, if gh15 was fooling anyone i woudnt be considered god ,,am i right? the truth tellers would all go out of their way and ocme here to stand before gh15 right? yes its silence of the lambs ,,why? because fellas like your nasty twisting mood chancing hormone swimmingg addicted is here lieing...and they much prefer to stay silent while i feed truth ...then come here and play the dumb fuck who was cheated on miilion times and still try to sell eskimosos ice...
i can teach you many things but most importanto i can teach you how to finaly become a bodybuild...you always wanted it and coudnt make it!,, this is your problem my friend,, you want sucess and being profesional ...you failed! you know it and gh15 knows it and to be quite honest ask around here a little ....they all KNOW IT
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Only ONE God son and you aint it.
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Franco is good but he's a child. He comes to gh15 for advices.
;D
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By the 70's use was escalating, but the doses GH talks about were not common, even in the 80's. I dont know why people are talking about test- it was not common in the 70's- it was regarded as a harsh drug-remember steroids were invented to improve upon test for medical uses. 60's was all DBol, 70's DBol, Deca Durabolin, Durabolin, Primobolin were the most common. 80's throw in Anavar, Winstrol. Anadrol. Insulin was un heard of before Tim Belknap- and he was diabetic. Synthetic GH was not even available yet and the organic form could carry diseaase and was not highly regarded. So heavy DBol for some- yes.. but even Larry Scott was packing 210 lbs on 15 mg of Dbol a day- training your ass off and slamming down high quality protein was key then.
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By the 70's use was escalating, but the doses GH talks about were not common, even in the 80's. I dont know why people are talking about test- it was not common in the 70's- it was regarded as a harsh drug-remember steroids were invented to improve upon test for medical uses. 60's was all DBol, 70's DBol, Deca Durabolin, Durabolin, Primobolin were the most common. 80's throw in Anavar, Winstrol. Anadrol. Insulin was un heard of before Tim Belknap- and he was diabetic. Synthetic GH was not even available yet and the organic form could carry diseaase and was not highly regarded. So heavy DBol for some- yes.. but even Larry Scott was packing 210 lbs on 15 mg of Dbol a day- training your ass off and slamming down high quality protein was key then.
how do you know
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LOL at the folks who thinks the pros of yesteryears were on minimal doses.
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LOL at the folks who thinks the pros of yesteryears were on minimal doses.
Never said that, but at least they trained and trained hard. Bodybuilders today just 'workout"....if that.
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Never said that, but at least they trained and trained hard. Bodybuilders today just 'workout"....if that.
qft.
cold hard truth right there
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No - but still huge amounts, see Figo's post this is what I meant.
your probably right. point is they didnt have to. Back then the muscle beach crew worked out way harder than any of the pros do today. they would do abs for 1-2 hours. JUST ABS
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They used alot of dbol , they did have test and used small doses, Deca was very popular but was not abused. primo was very popular and so was halotestin. no HGH/slin no other funky igf-1 peptides. No high tech anti estrogens. If the pros had the drugs todays pros have access to they would look like a mess. Drugs back then were all coming from the pharmacy. Imagine if they were using HGH/slin and megadosing they woukd be all way freakier than todays pros due to how much work ethic they had. Franco and arnold and the rest of the gang worked out everyday for hours! True gym rats. Guys today are super lazy compared to the golden years. they have ruined the sport and given BB a bad rap. I admit Franco got a gift when he got won the 81 mr.olympia. he was best through 75-79.
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They used alot of dbol , they did have test and used small doses, Deca was very popular but was not abused. primo was very popular and so was halotestin. no HGH/slin no other funky igf-1 peptides. No high tech anti estrogens. If the pros had the drugs todays pros have access to they would look like a mess. Drugs back then were all coming from the pharmacy. Imagine if they were using HGH/slin and megadosing they woukd be all way freakier than todays pros due to how much work ethic they had. Franco and arnold and the rest of the gang worked out everyday for hours! True gym rats. Guys today are super lazy compared to the golden years. they have ruined the sport and given BB a bad rap. I admit Franco got a gift when he got won the 81 mr.olympia. he was best through 75-79.
wow...this posting is 75% on spot,, not bad,,
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They used alot of dbol , they did have test and used small doses, Deca was very popular but was not abused. primo was very popular and so was halotestin. no HGH/slin no other funky igf-1 peptides. No high tech anti estrogens. If the pros had the drugs todays pros have access to they would look like a mess. Drugs back then were all coming from the pharmacy. Imagine if they were using HGH/slin and megadosing they woukd be all way freakier than todays pros due to how much work ethic they had. Franco and arnold and the rest of the gang worked out everyday for hours! True gym rats. Guys today are super lazy compared to the golden years. they have ruined the sport and given BB a bad rap. I admit Franco got a gift when he got won the 81 mr.olympia. he was best through 75-79.
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do you even work out?
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how do you know
cause Larry said so! >:(
lol
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They used alot of dbol , they did have test and used small doses, Deca was very popular but was not abused. primo was very popular and so was halotestin. no HGH/slin no other funky igf-1 peptides. No high tech anti estrogens. If the pros had the drugs todays pros have access to they would look like a mess. Drugs back then were all coming from the pharmacy. Imagine if they were using HGH/slin and megadosing they woukd be all way freakier than todays pros due to how much work ethic they had. Franco and arnold and the rest of the gang worked out everyday for hours! True gym rats. Guys today are super lazy compared to the golden years. they have ruined the sport and given BB a bad rap. I admit Franco got a gift when he got won the 81 mr.olympia. he was best through 75-79.
theyd look just as shit, theyd be taking todays stuff then, if it was available
the larry scott thing, in the 90's, scott said he didnt do drugs, only took dbol once didnt like it..... ::) and he took 15mg........::) these guys were taking handfuls of the shit at a time. why? because it wasnt illegal, it wasnt "wrong", this was pre 1982, it wasnt immoral, or "cheating".
like Larry Scott was some kind of genetic wonder that grew on blairs protein and gironda secret exercises and prostaglandin bs, just because someone is blond with blue eyes and competed in the 60's in california, doesnt make them saints, or holier than thou
fuck, this is like trying to tell people wrestling isnt "real"
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LOL @ "mega doses". Sure they took their share but "mega doses" is a little extream. You guys seem to forget or just don't know, that back then drugs really were the finishing touches and actual training still was king. Unlike GH15 and the other of this day.
Never said that, but at least they trained and trained hard. Bodybuilders today just 'workout"....if that.
LOL at the folks who thinks the pros of yesteryears were on minimal doses.
you did say they were on "finishing touch" doses. I take that to mean small, am I wrong?
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The difference in how they looked back then is also in the QUALITY of the drugs .. today's stuff is so so quality wise
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look.. I posted this many times and people laughed at me
Arnold would pop between 200 and 400 mg legit dbol daily... laugh all you want but it is thuth
This is simply not possible. Dbol is an alpha-alkylated steroid, which means it passes through the liver at least twice before being broken down. No Human liver could survive this for more than a week or so. Maybe a hypopotamus' liver.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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This is simply not possible. Dbol is an alpha-alkylated steroid, which means it passes through the liver at least twice before being broken down. No Human liver could survive this for more than a week or so. Maybe a hypopotamus' liver.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Again you show how little experience you have. I have seen the above done with my own eyes. And I haven't even seen a case of jaundice. Heart burn and headache were the side effects.
Now, the 7500mg of dbol per day that Dr Kerr mentioned is something that's BS.
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Never said that, but at least they trained and trained hard. Bodybuilders today just 'workout"....if that.
If it's true that some guys like Arnold trained for 4 hours a day, 6 days a week then it wasn't hard training. The intensity or density, whatever you want to call it, simply cannot be high. Train your legs as hard as you can for 4 hours and you wont be back the next day, nor the next week. Big chance of ending up in the ER with rhabdo instead. :D
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I have seen plenty of people take 200 mg and more daily in addition to other stuff ...
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Again you show how little experience you have. I have seen the above done with my own eyes. And I haven't even seen a case of jaundice. Heart burn and headache were the side effects.
Now, the 7500mg of dbol per day that Dr Kerr mentioned is something that's BS.
Again, VanBilderASS, 400 mg of d-bol is not possible for continued use. Sure, you can take this amount one day and survive. You can take it for 2 or even 3 days, and even though you will probably suffer from jaundice and become very sick, you will survive. But continuously? No. Just no. Period. End of discussion. The liver of a Human Being would be cirrhotic after a couple weeks taking this amount of d-bol daily. It is simply not possible. Period...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Again, VanBilderASS, 400 mg of d-bol is not possible for continued use. Sure, you can take this amount one day and survive. You can take it for 2 or even 3 days, and even though you will probably suffer from jaundice and become very sick, you will survive. But continuously? No. Just no. Period. End of discussion. The liver of a Human Being would be cirrhotic after a couple weeks taking this amount of d-bol daily. It is simply not possible. Period...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
arnie seems to have "survived"
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::)
do you even work out?
Not as much as I used to a few years back. I still workout but not nearly as many hours per month. I hit one body part a day really hard for an hour and thats it. I used to over-train . I actually think Im gaining better doing the one body part a week for an hour. I will always have a great physique due to all the years I put in and all the sports I played. I even have one marathon under my belt and thats 26.2 miles took me lil more than 3 and a half hours. I do chest monday, legs tuesday, biceps and triceps wednesday, abs and forarms thursday, chest and arms friday. saturday and sunday cardio. all workouts last about 45 to an hour I workout fast but try to keep intensity high.
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arnie seems to have "survived"
drinking beer too ;D
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arnie seems to have "survived"
No wonder, since he never took 400 mg of d-bol a day continuously...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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arnie seems to have "survived"
arnie has heart problems. Alot of ugl's make 50mg dbol tabs and capsules and some dudes take 3-4 or more a day so I would know people take 200mg-400mg of dbol. do I think its safe or smart? hell no. I you have quality dbol 50mg a day is all you need otherwise id question how strong of a product you are getting. shit I took 50mg of british dragon Turinabol wich is not as strong as dbol on paper but it blew me the fuck up anadrol like gains without the water retention. my face puffed a bit not much but I also was using suspension daily.thats why My face bloated a bit. I gained 18 pds in 5 weeks almost all lean muscle, I was holding a tad bit of water but nothing to noticable.
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if he did 200mg, it was probably for short periods, 400 is not impossible, but its pretty high for a long period
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I have seen plenty of people take 200 mg and more daily in addition to other stuff ...
Same here, first guy i used to get gear from was a former Mr California who started out in the 70's, he would take 100 tabs of 5mg Dianabol per day, i saw him take them many times when we ate lunch or dinner together, he would also inject 1 amp of Primobolan, 2 amps of Sust and 2 amps of Deca per day at least, that was just his cruising cycle, said he learned it from guys in the 70's and had been following it for more than 25 years,he like Halo a lot too :D guy was 240lb of solid muscle at 5,9
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just for a reference point for my pupils....i will write here what need to happen for you to be 200lb 6% on a regular basis,,
200lb 6% at a height of 5'10! that mean 5'6....170 ,,that mean 6'1 220...
this is what need to be done to be the above mesurements,,, ofcourse im talking conditioned size as always..
ALL THE TIME NONE STOP USAGE OF HORMONES....CRUSING AND BLITZ,, OR CONSTANT ALL TIME ON ,, OR VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY CYCLES...
tesosterona at 500-1000 mg a week ,, can go lower 150-300mg if want to reduce water but generaly speaking over all 500mg to 1000 mg of legit testosterona...
trenbolona ace 50-150mg every 2 day,, or equipona 500-100 mg a week,,
usually HUMAN GROWTH HORMONES depending on age 30+ will have to use hgh at 4-5 iu either every day or every 2 day
nowwwwww......
this is for being 200lb 6% lol .....5'6 170 something...
just thinkkkk of what twister do to be 190lb + on stage ....you think about it my friends and let me know... : )
liars is the biggest problem of bodybuiold,, all mental cases ofcourse,, very very few fellas talk the truth ,, on getbig we hav equite a few who do talk the truth like van b ...like the flinston fella,, like sevaste ,, like secret stack fella,, like optimus fella,, like my pupil stavio ,, like gear101 ,, many other too that i diddnt mention but they knwo who they are....
everytime the ron heris fella open hsi mouth you need to attack him like a group of lions waiting on a deer
gh15 approved
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The 2 top bodybuilding shows are the mr.olympia and the arnold classic if they still are doing the arnold classic. all the other shows the top prize is strip club money. even if you win. some shows are 10K some maybe 20K at most. olympia and arnold are the only two shows a bodybuilder could make a living if they were to win. so why do all these guys spend thousands of dollars on HGH/slin and other exotics plus their gear. cost is probably 50K a year. id say this is why most bodybuilders sell steroids and rec drugs otherwise they would be flat broke and homeless. endorsements dont pay that much depends on who sponsors you. in the end is it worth it? I workout to look good for the women not to win shows because i know I will never get a pro card so why even be delusional and blow that kind of money. a few vials of sust per week and some tbol and im cool. I can get huge just off that small stack. I also get big using my pct. hcg 1,500 IU's a day for 2 weeks. nolvadex, dhea, trib and i prefer the vitargo/ creatine mix, So I stay in oretty good shape
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Same here, first guy i used to get gear from was a former Mr California who started out in the 70's, he would take 100 tabs of 5mg Dianabol per day, i saw him take them many times when we ate lunch or dinner together, he would also inject 1 amp of Primobolan, 2 amps of Sust and 2 amps of Deca per day at least, that was just his cruising cycle, said he learned it from guys in the 70's and had been following it for more than 25 years,he like Halo a lot too :D guy was 240lb of solid muscle at 5,9
to clarify, he did this per day as his cruising cycle:
500mg dbol
1 amp primo
2 amps sust
2 amps deca
and he did more when "on", and for 25 yrs?
Jeebus! :o
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to clarify, he did this per day as his cruising cycle:
500mg dbol
1 amp primo
2 amps sust
2 amps deca
and he did more when "on", and for 25 yrs?
Jeebus! :o
Sounds like a real BB :D
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to clarify, he did this per day as his cruising cycle:
500mg dbol
1 amp primo
2 amps sust
2 amps deca
and he did more when "on", and for 25 yrs?
Jeebus! :o
From what he told me and from what i saw, yes, dbol he cycled, the injects im pretty sure he was on something year round
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From what he told me and from what i saw, yes, dbol he cycled, the injects im pretty sure he was on something year round
do you believe it? I mean, you knew him
what the hell was he on when he did a big cycle?!
and how the hell could he afford it, even from a discount pharmacy in mexico, still a lot!
fuck, did he look good? monster?
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This is simply not possible. Dbol is an alpha-alkylated steroid, which means it passes through the liver at least twice before being broken down. No Human liver could survive this for more than a week or so. Maybe a hypopotamus' liver.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Wrong again, Stupid.
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Again you show how little experience you have. I have seen the above done with my own eyes. And I haven't even seen a case of jaundice. Heart burn and headache were the side effects.
Now, the 7500mg of dbol per day that Dr Kerr mentioned is something that's BS.
Suckymuscle is so beneath your intellect that is almost diminishes your standing here to even address him directly. I will PM Stupid and have him direct questions to me and I will forward them to you if deemed worthy. Other than that please ignore him. Leave him to me. I can get Stupid to melt at will.
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If it's true that some guys like Arnold trained for 4 hours a day, 6 days a week then it wasn't hard training. The intensity or density, whatever you want to call it, simply cannot be high. Train your legs as hard as you can for 4 hours and you wont be back the next day, nor the next week. Big chance of ending up in the ER with rhabdo instead. :D
Again your genius shines through. Author Jones use to point out how intensity and duration are inversely proportional. You can train very hard or very long but not both. It's like the difference between sprinting and jogging. Full on sprint your staying power is measure in seconds. Jogging can be measured in hours. For muscular hypertrophy intensity is a more important factor as seen in the difference in physique between a sprinter and a marathon runner. One has sleek muscularity. The other looks likes a one just released from a concentration camp.
What's rhabdo?
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Again, VanBilderASS, 400 mg of d-bol is not possible for continued use. Sure, you can take this amount one day and survive. You can take it for 2 or even 3 days, and even though you will probably suffer from jaundice and become very sick, you will survive. But continuously? No. Just no. Period. End of discussion. The liver of a Human Being would be cirrhotic after a couple weeks taking this amount of d-bol daily. It is simply not possible. Period...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Yes, end of discussion. You're wrong again, Stupid.
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What's rhabdo?
Disease or condition (whatever the proper term), of muscle wasting away.
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do you believe it? I mean, you knew him
what the hell was he on when he did a big cycle?!
and how the hell could he afford it, even from a discount pharmacy in mexico, still a lot!
fuck, did he look good? monster?
Yes i believe it, i saw him take dbol al the time, he would take 10 tabs 5 times per day, total of 100 tabs
just to clarify, that was his standard cycle, he might replace Deca with Tren of Equipona if he was going to compete, but the bread and butter was Primo,Sust,Deca with Dbol cycled on and off
he could afford it as his wife owned a pharmacy and he was dealing (he is American but lived in a country where its all legal)
he told me a good cutting stack was
Primo depot 700mg per week, Winstrol tabs 100mg per day, Halo 20-50mg per day (less for little guys more for bigger guys)
GH he never used over 6iu per day, i remember he used Jintropin mostly, this is going back a few years.
He told me about Grorm the USSR cadavar GH that was available in the early 80's, gh15 has mentioned it before
Said Negma Parabolin was the best Tren ever
Was the only persion ive ever had tell me that Primo Acetate tabs are really good
Old school hard training, and diet was low carb high protein, lots of beef and chicken and eggs
The guy at his best was 240lb and ripped and dense as fuck, he looked like a bigger version of 80's pro Johnny Fuller but with a Ronnie Coleman shaped head ;D
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SB,
thats crazy stuff, wow, this guy had a very good system to handle that boatload, helps to have a wife in pharma industry ;D
well, thats pretty much what Ive been saying, that back then 70's they did the same shit, abuse everything, but this dosage is insane!
thanks for sharing
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Yes i believe it, i saw him take dbol al the time, he would take 10 tabs 5 times per day, total of 100 tabs
just to clarify, that was his standard cycle, he might replace Deca with Tren of Equipona if he was going to compete, but the bread and butter was Primo,Sust,Deca with Dbol cycled on and off
he could afford it as his wife owned a pharmacy and he was dealing (he is American but lived in a country where its all legal)
he told me a good cutting stack was
Primo depot 700mg per week, Winstrol tabs 100mg per day, Halo 20-50mg per day (less for little guys more for bigger guys)
GH he never used over 6iu per day, i remember he used Jintropin mostly, this is going back a few years.
He told me about Grorm the USSR cadavar GH that was available in the early 80's, gh15 has mentioned it before
Said Negma Parabolin was the best Tren ever
Was the only persion ive ever had tell me that Primo Acetate tabs are really good
Old school hard training, and diet was low carb high protein, lots of beef and chicken and eggs
The guy at his best was 240lb and ripped and dense as fuck, he looked like a bigger version of 80's pro Johnny Fuller but with a Ronnie Coleman shaped head ;D
That's the exact look I'm going for! Heavy price to pay, though.
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SB,
thats crazy stuff, wow, this guy had a very good system to handle that boatload, helps to have a wife in pharma industry ;D
well, thats pretty much what Ive been saying, that back then 70's they did the same shit, abuse everything, but this dosage is insane!
thanks for sharing
Just passing on what i heard and saw, one i forgot to mention, he told me he got into competitive bodybuilding when he met Robby Robinson and Pete Grymkowski in the 70's, well we've all heard the stories of Pete taking whole bottles of orals in one go and despite what that lying choco face Robby says he was built on Deca and Primo
I dont think the cycle is too crazy comparing what guys are doing today, just that Deca and Primo dont seem as popular anymore, but the weekly total adds up to
Sust 3.5 gram per week
Primo 700mg per week
Deca 1400mg per week
So just over 5 grams, and this is a guy who competed and placed very high in the North American championships as a super heavy in his late 40's
I think the Dbol amounts are what shock people as today everyone thinks orals are the devil and cycles should be short and 50mg of Dbol is enough
I did ask him why he took so much Dbol and his answer was, if you want to keep growing you need more gear and more food, what gets you to a lean 200lbs wont get you to a lean 220lbs, something to think about ;)
There is another guy who posts on this forum called Bladerunner, he knows this guy too and he can confirm what i posted
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That's the exact look I'm going for! Heavy price to pay, though.
The physique yes but that kind of ugly head ???
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Yes, end of discussion. You're wrong again, Stupid.
Cry mooooooore!!! Cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy moooooore!!!!!!!!!!! Cry more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooore!!!!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Cry mooooooore!!! Cryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy moooooore!!!!!!!!!!! Cry more!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooore!!!!
SUCKMYMUSCLE
the effort you go to compared to pellius posts are the ones crying.
epic going for the "change font" tab, then repetitive typing of the same word over and over = more effort
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Regardless of other physiological effects of the incredible hepatoxic effect from such large dosage consider the direct implications on the bodybuilding endevour...
Loss of appetite
Incredible lethargy
Headaches
Extreme high blood pressure
Malaise
I think the bodybuilders involved would have made an inductive decision as to lower dosage quickly. The short term detrimental effects described above would surely have a direct impact on the ability to improve.
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The physique yes but that kind of ugly head ???
black guy?
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black guy?
Yes
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By the 70's use was escalating, but the doses GH talks about were not common, even in the 80's. I dont know why people are talking about test- it was not common in the 70's- it was regarded as a harsh drug-remember steroids were invented to improve upon test for medical uses. 60's was all DBol, 70's DBol, Deca Durabolin, Durabolin, Primobolin were the most common. 80's throw in Anavar, Winstrol. Anadrol. Insulin was un heard of before Tim Belknap- and he was diabetic. Synthetic GH was not even available yet and the organic form could carry diseaase and was not highly regarded. So heavy DBol for some- yes.. but even Larry Scott was packing 210 lbs on 15 mg of Dbol a day- training your ass off and slamming down high quality protein was key then.
Good, at least one post from someone who was around back then.
LOL at the folks who thinks the pros of yesteryears were on minimal doses.
LOL at all the people in this thread, like you, that weren't even born or were just kids back then, but know all the drugs the pros did. ::)
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@ Pellis...rhabdo is when muscle fibers break down so much it starts getting absorbed in the blood stream. You see a lot of cases of rhabdo in gimmicks like crossfit.
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Again your genius shines through. Author Jones use to point out how intensity and duration are inversely proportional. You can train very hard or very long but not both. It's like the difference between sprinting and jogging. Full on sprint your staying power is measure in seconds. Jogging can be measured in hours. For muscular hypertrophy intensity is a more important factor as seen in the difference in physique between a sprinter and a marathon runner. One has sleek muscularity. The other looks likes a one just released from a concentration camp.
What's rhabdo?
Yes, Arthur was right in saying that you can either train hard or you can train long. I remember what you said about Mike Mentzer's articles getting you thinking about training orthodoxy. It was the same for me. Later I learned that Mike was really off on many things... but he got me thinking.
There's an enormous amount of pacing involved in typical bodybuilding training.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhabdomyolysis
This was a very strange recent case
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/01/iowa-13-football-players-rhabdomyolsis/1
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Again, VanBilderASS, 400 mg of d-bol is not possible for continued use. Sure, you can take this amount one day and survive. You can take it for 2 or even 3 days, and even though you will probably suffer from jaundice and become very sick, you will survive. But continuously? No. Just no. Period. End of discussion. The liver of a Human Being would be cirrhotic after a couple weeks taking this amount of d-bol daily. It is simply not possible. Period...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I want to note that I'm not recommending heavy use of orals since some think saying the truth is the same as endorsing something.
But I've seen it done. That Mimnaugh fella who used to post here has said he takes 500mg of dbol the week before PL meets and I don't think he's lying.
Suckymuscle is so beneath your intellect that is almost diminishes your standing here to even address him directly. I will PM Stupid and have him direct questions to me and I will forward them to you if deemed worthy. Other than that please ignore him. Leave him to me. I can get Stupid to melt at will.
Didn't he admit to being a gimmick shared account a while back?
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If it's true that some guys like Arnold trained for 4 hours a day, 6 days a week then it wasn't hard training. The intensity or density, whatever you want to call it, simply cannot be high. Train your legs as hard as you can for 4 hours and you wont be back the next day, nor the next week. Big chance of ending up in the ER with rhabdo instead. :D
If you remember back then even though some did train for 3-4 hours per day, it was split up, morning and afternoon or evening. Legs that I can recall rarely lasted over 2 hours. Big body parts were done opposing ex; Chest in the morning, Back in the evening. Doubt very much rhabdo could have occured..not saying it didn't happen but I've never heard of anyone from that era going to the ER from training.
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If you remember back then even though some did train for 3-4 hours per day, it was split up, morning and afternoon or evening. Legs that I can recall rarely lasted over 2 hours. Big body parts were done opposing ex; Chest in the morning, Back in the evening. Doubt very much rhabdo could have occured..not saying it didn't happen but I've never heard of anyone from that era going to the ER from training.
Yeah, I just think that there's automatically a lot of pacing going on with volume training. You just can't do each set as if your life depended on it, unlike what Arnold and the magazines said. If you did, that's where you'd find yourself sick.
What do you think about a guy like Branch Warren? Does he train hard? I think he does, at least in the videos I've seen. Say what you will about his form but he goes pretty hard.
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Yeah, I just think that there's automatically a lot of pacing going on with volume training. You just can't do each set as if your life depended on it, unlike what Arnold and the magazines said. If you did, that's where you'd find yourself sick.
What do you think about a guy like Branch Warren? Does he train hard? I think he does, at least in the videos I've seen. Say what you will about his form but he goes pretty hard.
Personally I like the way Branch trains, same with Ronnie and Johnny Jackson. The only thing I don't like is the limited ROM on some of the lifts. But from what I've seen they train hard and heavy, very old school. I love watching the Metroflex gym training and the gym itself.
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Personally I like the way Branch trains, same with Ronnie and Johnny Jackson. The only thing I don't like is the limited ROM on some of the lifts. But from what I've seen they train hard and heavy, very old school. I love watching the Metroflex gym training and the gym itself.
I like it also but when I train like that my elbows and knees hurt a lot
I prefer training Milos's way (no homo) for my weak joints
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I like it also but when I train like that my elbows and knees hurt a lot
I prefer training Milos's way (no homo) for my weak joints
Not this type of Milos training though. :D
"On Jan. 12, 2002, I had a devastating knee injury," recounts Milos. "I was doing a 950-pound hack squat, and my patellar tendon on my right knee literally exploded." Hours of surgery and several months of rehab later, the knee wasn't healing well. "They had reattached the kneecap incorrectly, so it wasn't tracking straight," he says, "I wasn't making progress in either rehab or in the gym and was in constant pain." So it was back to the operating table, this time for surgery on both knees. "The other knee had also been damaged, incurring a partial ligament tear," Milos states. "So I had the kneecap corrected and the other knee reconstructed and was pretty much at the mercy of my wife [Milamar Flores] for four weeks!"
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Not this type of Milos training though. :D
lmao of course not !
I had good numbers a few years ago tho, I was much stronger than I am not (well probably not I just don't "try" to go heavy"
sometimes my knees hurt so much what I need to wrap both of them the whole day.
I think the beyond failure training might have fucked them up more than anything, but damn I loved doing the leg extensions drop sets :-\
I train around it now, so pretty shitty leg workouts these days.
I train them 3 times a week to make up for it
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Not this type of Milos training though. :D
i don't get it... what's the reason for bodybuilder to hack squat 950lb ?
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i don't get it... what's the reason for bodybuilder to hack squat 950lb ?
1- to build muscle
2- to show off
3- to brag about it on Getbig
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1- to build muscle
2- to show off
3- to brag about it on Getbig
I think JP Fux was going for nr 3
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Again your genius shines through. Author Jones use to point out how intensity and duration are inversely proportional. You can train very hard or very long but not both. It's like the difference between sprinting and jogging. Full on sprint your staying power is measure in seconds. Jogging can be measured in hours. For muscular hypertrophy intensity is a more important factor as seen in the difference in physique between a sprinter and a marathon runner. One has sleek muscularity. The other looks likes a one just released from a concentration camp.
What's rhabdo?
I never understood what the sprinting/jogging analogy had to do with weight training as far as intensity is concerned? ???
Even less with the HIT/Jones dogma for a few reasons:
1. What sprinter ever sprints to failure? None that I know of
2. I think sprinters do multiple sprints in their workouts, sprint/rest and so on, which is actually similar to weight training: work set/rest, set/rest and so on.
So the idea of "you can't do more than one intense set" and the analogy HIT proponents use of sprinters/joggers is faulty, because sprinting is has more things in common with multiple set weight training, in the sense that both are anaerobic blast/rest and repeat. And jogging does not have anything in common with volume weight training.
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the effort you go to compared to pellius posts are the ones crying.
epic going for the "change font" tab, then repetitive typing of the same word over and over = more effort
LOL!
Like I said, I can make the genius super soldier melt at will. And it's gotten to a point where the 250 IQ gorilla expert is at a lost of words so has to keep reposting his same meltdown response.
That's why I like Stupid so much. He makes it so easy.
Hi Stupid!
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@ Pellis...rhabdo is when muscle fibers break down so much it starts getting absorbed in the blood stream. You see a lot of cases of rhabdo in gimmicks like crossfit.
I PMed Suckymuscle the question because he's a genius with a 250 IQ and he told me that it was just a misspelling of Rambo.
You're IQ is probably just 185 or so but I'm going to go with your answer because Sucky just seems stupid even though he's a genius.
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Personally I like the way Branch trains, same with Ronnie and Johnny Jackson. The only thing I don't like is the limited ROM on some of the lifts. But from what I've seen they train hard and heavy, very old school. I love watching the Metroflex gym training and the gym itself.
you really dont know anything about training eh?,, how did they give you certificate ? branch waren is prime exampel of all drugs ,, he doesnt even begin! to look like a serious fella,, he is drugs that result in high like narcotics that create the type of training he does which ofcourse doesnt do nothing aside from injurry,, there is how we used to train the big boys back then quietly lifting heavy ...and then there is this gizmo who walk with chains and really dont train the muscle,,
branch waren is maybe the worst! when it come to training ,, the worst!
gh15 approved
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Anytime you want to go head to head about training knowledge just say the word.
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Yes, Arthur was right in saying that you can either train hard or you can train long. I remember what you said about Mike Mentzer's articles getting you thinking about training orthodoxy. It was the same for me. Later I learned that Mike was really off on many things... but he got me thinking.
There's an enormous amount of pacing involved in typical bodybuilding training.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhabdomyolysis
This was a very strange recent case
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/01/iowa-13-football-players-rhabdomyolsis/1
Yes, that's what I credit Mentzer the most for. Making me think and think critically about bodybuilding. I was able to use that critical thinking to help me determine that he went crazy after the 1980 Mr. O and never recovered. His ideas after that were pretty wacky.
Great mustache, though. Even surpassed Ed Corney and Roger Callard in his prime.
I remember that article on the football players. I wanted to bookmark it and investigate more but forgot to. Thanks.
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This is simply not possible. Dbol is an alpha-alkylated steroid, which means it passes through the liver at least twice before being broken down. No Human liver could survive this for more than a week or so. Maybe a hypopotamus' liver.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Wow you really do know everything.
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Back in Scotts day it was way different from now. You simply cant use TODAY's context and apply it to the past. Thats just short sighted and narcissistic. Back in the day, Scott, and the others in Venice actually had a sit down one evening and discussed the pros and cons of going from ONE 5 mg pill to TWO. This was part of bodybuilding history. Whether or not to double it.. Yes it seems like very little now, but at the time it seemed like a big deal.
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Mentzer also published his cycle after the 79 Olmypia. Again it was a different era, and to those used to what he openly called "nightmarish drug doses by IFBB pros- regarding the drug use in the 90's", that gives you an insight. He typicaly started his pre contest cyle with a 100 mg inj of Durabolin, 150 mg if Deca . The Deca was repeated every 10 days with no more than 5 DBol a day. And yes he told me when I asked. He had no reason to lie- he was long retired, he already had known me 7 years and was no longer even my trainer and didnt want anything. He also trained like a maniac when in contest training and dieted very hard, along with some great genetics. (And speed didnt come into the picture til 1980 for the cynics out there)
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Yes i believe it, i saw him take dbol al the time, he would take 10 tabs 5 times per day, total of 100 tabs
math isnt your strong suit, is it?
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Mentzer also published his cycle after the 79 Olmypia. Again it was a different era, and to those used to what he openly called "nightmarish drug doses by IFBB pros- regarding the drug use in the 90's", that gives you an insight. He typicaly started his pre contest cyle with a 100 mg inj of Durabolin, 150 mg if Deca . The Deca was repeated every 10 days with no more than 5 DBol a day. And yes he told me when I asked. He had no reason to lie- he was long retired, he already had known me 7 years and was no longer even my trainer and didnt want anything. He also trained like a maniac when in contest training and dieted very hard, along with some great genetics. (And speed didnt come into the picture til 1980 for the cynics out there)
hahaha - Casey spat out a diff cycle he used with Mike and Ray 1500mg of EQ plus other drugs were used - makes yours look a lil bit like *BULLSHIT* now doesnt it ::) he said they cycled diff drugs in and out every 8-10 weeks - so were never off and the doses were high.. not that piece of shit you are peddling there.
Mike was a compulsive liar so what he told you is a 99% chance of being a lie..
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lmao of course not !
I had good numbers a few years ago tho, I was much stronger than I am not (well probably not I just don't "try" to go heavy"
sometimes my knees hurt so much what I need to wrap both of them the whole day.
I think the beyond failure training might have fucked them up more than anything, but damn I loved doing the leg extensions drop sets :-\
I train around it now, so pretty shitty leg workouts these days.
I train them 3 times a week to make up for it
you did BFT?? Did you post on Trevor's board""
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hahaha - Casey spat out a diff cycle he used with Mike and Ray 1500mg of EQ plus other drugs were used - makes yours look a lil bit like *BULLSHIT* now doesnt it ::) he said they cycled diff drugs in and out every 8-10 weeks - so were never off and the doses were high.. not that piece of shit you are peddling there.
Mike was a compulsive liar so what he told you is a 99% chance of being a lie..
Where did you get the compulsive liar thing from?? He was one of the most honest people I knew. There were things he told me that did NOt make him look good, so he had no reason to lie about them. No I dont want to really go into specifics, but I can. If he was a liar, then the rest of the industry must be even worse- which they probably are. Sergio, Kal and Mike were pretty straight shooters. Unlike a lot now. Casey is cool, but not very good at thinking, and when he was training with Mike was so whacked on coke that he was spacing out when spotting, so I wouldnt use him as a 100 per cent source. Casey is cool, even interviewed him for Examiner.com. Not real verbose though, lol. Unlike Boyer who I got 6 PARTs from.
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math isnt your strong suit, is it?
No its not :( must have been 20 tabs 5 times per day, just remember it was 5 times per day, every 3 hours or something
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Mentzer also published his cycle after the 79 Olmypia. Again it was a different era, and to those used to what he openly called "nightmarish drug doses by IFBB pros- regarding the drug use in the 90's", that gives you an insight. He typicaly started his pre contest cyle with a 100 mg inj of Durabolin, 150 mg if Deca . The Deca was repeated every 10 days with no more than 5 DBol a day. And yes he told me when I asked. He had no reason to lie- he was long retired, he already had known me 7 years and was no longer even my trainer and didnt want anything. He also trained like a maniac when in contest training and dieted very hard, along with some great genetics. (And speed didnt come into the picture til 1980 for the cynics out there)
150mg of Deca every 10 days ::) yeah right, please give me some of this magical Deca ::)
Think Mike Methhead meant every 10 hours ::)
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Again this was the 70s' TRY and reliaze this was before GH, Insulin use. etc. and TRAINING was king. Robby didnt use much Deca either. Mike responded very well to the recommended range- he was a pre med student and knew more than most. He only went to the higher end of the recommened dose range in 77 -78, and "Rather than play Russina Roulette with the dosages," didnt go any higher. His brother Ray did use a bit more- and had water retention problems as a result- which is why Mike kept them a bit lower- "I noticed I was more refined on contest day".. Original sources, son. Why is this generation so hard to Teach?? Kids were easier 15 years ago.
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liars is the biggest problem of bodybuiold,, all mental cases ofcourse,, very very few fellas talk the truth ,, on getbig we hav equite a few who do talk the truth like van b ...like the flinston fella,, like sevaste ,, like secret stack fella,, like optimus fella,, like my pupil stavio ,, like gear101 ,, many other too that i diddnt mention but they knwo who they are....
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g101 !
but i like gear101 too ;D
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I HAVE BOTH FRANCOS BOOKS AND I USE HIS TRAINING METHODS. FRANCO TRAIN SYLVESTER STALLONE FOR BOTH ROCKY 1 AND 2. SYLVESTER HAS SHIT GENETICS AND LOOK HOW GOOD SYLVESTER LOOKED AFTER HE TRAINED WITH FRANCO. i SWITCH IT UP SOME TO SHOCK THE MUSCLES RIGHT NOW iM JUST HITTING ONE TO TWO BODY PARTS A DAY AND I WORKOUT WITHIN 1 HOUR. I KEEP THE INTESITY VERY HIGH THOUGH AND ONLY REST 20 SECONDS BETWEEN SETS. OBVIOUSLY THE SQUAT AND BENCH PRESS ARE THE TWO BEST EXCERCISES INVENTED YOU CAN GET A GREAT PHYSIQUE JUST WITH DOING THOSE TO LIFTS. DOING DIFFRENT AB ROUTINES IS ALSO SUPER KEY YOU WANT TO START TRAINING YOUR CORE MUSCLES AT A VERY YOUNG AGE THAT WILL GIVE YOU A GREAT ADVANTAGE WHEN YOU GET OLDER. ALL YOU LAZT BASTARDS START DOING YOUR ABS. NOT JUST SIT-UP, CRUNCHIES, AND ALOT OF TIME ON THE KNEE RAISE MACHINE. DO REVERSE SITUPS THOSE ARE EXTREMELY HARD THIS IS WHERE YOU GET ON A SIT-UP RACK AND PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR HEAD AND COME UP HALF WAY THEN STAY CENTERED AND SLOWLY PUT ONE ELBOW AT A TIME BACK TILL IT TOUCHES THE SIDE OF THE SITUP RACK. STRONGER YOUR CORE MUSCLES ARE THE MORE YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SQUAT AND BENCH.ALSO FOR-ARMS ARE VERY IMPORTANT. THE REVERSE SIT-UP IS ONE OF THE BEST FOR CORE MUSCLE STRENGTH
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He had no reason to lie- he was long retired, he already had known me 7 years and was no longer even my trainer and didnt want anything.
the fact that he was long retired is the exact reason WHY HE WOULD LIE. because in his day weider would say play down the aas use in the mags, its because of the weider lifestyle they have such great physiques, lives, and read chaucer in their spare time, when not helping at the orphanage
to their buddies, or people in their circle, of course it was open, who cares, BUT, when steroids were no longer p.c. , post 82, especially 90's - then everybody jumped on the anti drug wagon, "it was a finishing touch, I only did it to be competitive cause I heard they were doing", I train fucking 5 hrs a day, cmon... joe weider made my meal plan... please
it doesnt matter wether he was your best friend or married to you, people lie, bodybuilders always lie bout their cycles, to seem otherwordly to normal joe, and to deceive the competition. when theyre retired, its to uphold the mystique, and seem holier than thou.
does not matter what their name is, oliva, scott, reeves, park, robby, pearl, just because you saw them in black & white pics, and they said so, means jack
to re-iterate: as much as I love that era of bbing, it was a different era, but same kind of people as today, anything to get ahead, abuse whatever available
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Why do retired pros always say they have no reason to lie about dosages...yes, it's in everyone's interest to make themselves appear better. This is what everyone in the industry basically does. Bodybuilding utilitarianism.
Even if a pro were telling the truth about these things it would be suspect information unless verifiable. Not that I care. People should do to themselves what they please, and face the consequences. But the little truth in bodybuilding is nothing new.
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hormones is a very big deal in sports and in bodybuilding,, it is the sin that no one talk about but everyone do ...you know whats the worst thing as bodybuild? the worst thing is to face the fact you are addict,, and can never go off,,this is the worst thing...moment you go off and lets say skip injection....even by few days...you feel it oh you fuckin feel it
also,,the doses...the doses are real crazy ,, you got the best cook reallt stuff the vials with lots of mg...they really good at what they do ,,only if you took 500mg of legit equipona you know what im talking about,, it is so strong that chages happn fast
the main problem of fellas now day is ....that they get equipona it says 250mg per cc but in reality its 50% paste...and that thing is also dosed in reality at 200mg per cc...so you get at the end 100mg per cc of equipona...you inject it 2 time a week think you get 500 or 600 while you get only 200....THIS! is the problem ...back then you took injection of 50mg per cc it was 50 mg of the best kind quipona per cc...you took 350-500mg a week of quality eq it was like taking now 1000-1200mg of equipna ....thats! the diff!
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so if you think bout it, with todays fakes and dillutions, the guys are at times taking less...? !
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Why do retired pros always say they have no reason to lie about dosages...yes, it's in everyone's interest to make themselves appear better. This is what everyone in the industry basically does. Bodybuilding utilitarianism.
Even if a pro were telling the truth about these things it would be suspect information unless verifiable. Not that I care. People should do to themselves what they please, and face the consequences. But the little truth in bodybuilding is nothing new.
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Mike lied for the same reason everybody lies. Same reason groink lies. "Okamis good but if I was on as much shit as hes on...."
When sonmebody says that the reason he put on x pounds of muscle was because he upped the dose of HGH/insulina they dont seem so great. It makes you think that if you just took more drugs you could bet biggger too. And you'd be right. gh15 is goning to heaven for atoning for his past sins. We know better now and spread his gospel. Also we take more hormonas and get bigger.
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hormones is a very big deal in sports and in bodybuilding,, it is the sin that no one talk about but everyone do ...you know whats the worst thing as bodybuild? the worst thing is to face the fact you are addict,, and can never go off,,this is the worst thing...moment you go off and lets say skip injection....even by few days...you feel it oh you fuckin feel it
also,,the doses...the doses are real crazy ,, you got the best cook reallt stuff the vials with lots of mg...they really good at what they do ,,only if you took 500mg of legit equipona you know what im talking about,, it is so strong that chages happn fast
the main problem of fellas now day is ....that they get equipona it says 250mg per cc but in reality its 50% paste...and that thing is also dosed in reality at 200mg per cc...so you get at the end 100mg per cc of equipona...you inject it 2 time a week think you get 500 or 600 while you get only 200....THIS! is the problem ...back then you took injection of 50mg per cc it was 50 mg of the best kind quipona per cc...you took 350-500mg a week of quality eq it was like taking now 1000-1200mg of equipna ....thats! the diff!
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Superman equipona better be good.
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Superman equipona better be good.
anything superman is good,, if he doesnt hav egood no one else does,, its hard to get good quality equipona now day ,, but not immposible
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Superman equipona better be good.
lol.... if superman is no good then no source is good
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Mike lied for the same reason everybody lies. Same reason groink lies. "Okamis good but if I was on as much shit as hes on...."
When sonmebody says that the reason he put on x pounds of muscle was because he upped the dose of HGH/insulina they dont seem so great. It makes you think that if you just took more drugs you could bet biggger too. And you'd be right. gh15 is goning to heaven for atoning for his past sins. We know better now and spread his gospel. Also we take more hormonas and get bigger.
worst thing is twister,, the coach fella from this boarding,, he is a twister! of the truth ,, he is really stands there as what you call selective choicer...you know like you hav eselective scammer sources? lol twister is something else,,
he actualy tell you fellas he steped on stage 190lb+! at 5'6 thats more than most 5'6 fellas that turn pros! like dex jackson in national was 185!! and many others are less in the 80s and 70s... but he actually tell you kidos this all is on 250mg testosterona and some bazooka gums ,,really he take it to worse level than canadican geezer vince...its like he admit over all but really absolit twist the numbers and products,,
EVERYTHING ON TWISTER PHYSIQE POINT TO GH AND INSULINA USAGE ,, NOT HIGH DOSES! BUT NICE DOSES,, AND ALL OF US PROFESIONALS WHEN WE TALK AMONG US WE LAUGH OUR ASS,, SOME PROFESIONALS ARE GIMIK ACCOUNT HERE AND WE JUST SIT AND LAUGH AT TWISTER...THAT FELLA HAS INSULINA IN LOWER DOSES AND HGH ...THAT! WHAT GOT HIM TO 190+ ON STAGE ...LOL NOT AAS...AAS GOT HIM TO 170 TO 180...WHAT GOT HIM UP THERE TO THE 190 WAS LOW LEVEL INSULINA AND HGH AT MID SINGLE DOSES,,
he really twist the truth ,, he will say he took 2 iu when he took 4-6 iu ...he will say he took no insulina when he took insulina and this is how he found out the insulina kill lines and make you bloofy from within as in low bodyfat on the out but fatzo on the inside of the muscle,, thats how he decided insulina killed bodybuild...HE FUCKIN DID IT ON HIMSELF! ,,
5'6 190+lb on stage with out insulina and hgh lol ....you got top national fellas in 20003-2005 going on stage 210lb 5'9 walking offseason 260lb 9% ....lol on so much insulina and hgh you would scare to even look at them and talk to them they look like monsters outside gym,,yet all fake muscle ofcousre....then shrink down to 210 on stage 205-210 lol down from 260 9% LOL this is ofcourse all fat from within the muscle they never saw the lines well enough and just had to diet down more and more in hope they would but they didnt ,,,FAKE SIZE!
coach 190 5'6 ON STAGE lol on some 200mg testosterona cyp hrt lol and 1 anadrola a day lol ,,
i really am ashamed to be among them on a board i really do it for new generation here and nothing else,, fuckin retard did everything from trenbolona to insulina and inbetween ,, lol 1905'6 on stage ... ::) thats like arnold 240-245 lb in top condition on stage lol ....our twister here is the second coming of arnold lol ,,,amazing the shit the balonie i hear here,,
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you really dont know anything about training eh?,, how did they give you certificate ? branch waren is prime exampel of all drugs ,, he doesnt even begin! to look like a serious fella,, he is drugs that result in high like narcotics that create the type of training he does which ofcourse doesnt do nothing aside from injurry,, there is how we used to train the big boys back then quietly lifting heavy ...and then there is this gizmo who walk with chains and really dont train the muscle,,
branch waren is maybe the worst! when it come to training ,, the worst!
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I actually agree for once. branch is just going to wind up hurt
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hormones is a very big deal in sports and in bodybuilding,, it is the sin that no one talk about but everyone do ...you know whats the worst thing as bodybuild? the worst thing is to face the fact you are addict,, and can never go off,,this is the worst thing...moment you go off and lets say skip injection....even by few days...you feel it oh you fuckin feel it
also,,the doses...the doses are real crazy ,, you got the best cook reallt stuff the vials with lots of mg...they really good at what they do ,,only if you took 500mg of legit equipona you know what im talking about,, it is so strong that chages happn fast
the main problem of fellas now day is ....that they get equipona it says 250mg per cc but in reality its 50% paste...and that thing is also dosed in reality at 200mg per cc...so you get at the end 100mg per cc of equipona...you inject it 2 time a week think you get 500 or 600 while you get only 200....THIS! is the problem ...back then you took injection of 50mg per cc it was 50 mg of the best kind quipona per cc...you took 350-500mg a week of quality eq it was like taking now 1000-1200mg of equipna ....thats! the diff!
true its hard to find good raw materials to make EQ but the alpha pharma EQ is pretty spot on not like british dragon where it was labeled at 200mg and it tested at 136mg. finding good eq before alpha pharma was very hard.
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Very hard to find high purity boldenone(EQ) raw material. you have to talk to euroman he has the best equipoise in the world. british dragon used to dosse its eq at 200mg and it was always more like 135mg. also not safe making high mg EQ they dose it at 200mg for a reason. the worst iss boldenone acetate stay far away from that trash. euroman EQ is tested and spot on
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the fact that he was long retired is the exact reason WHY HE WOULD LIE. because in his day weider would say play down the aas use in the mags, its because of the weider lifestyle they have such great physiques, lives, and read chaucer in their spare time, when not helping at the orphanage
lol
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you did BFT?? Did you post on Trevor's board""
nope I just saw an article of him explaining his training methode.
I loved it, especially for legs more than anything else.
but seriously it fucked up my knees
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worst thing is twister,, the coach fella from this boarding,, he is a twister! of the truth ,, he is really stands there as what you call selective choicer...you know like you hav eselective scammer sources? lol twister is something else,,
he actualy tell you fellas he steped on stage 190lb+! at 5'6 thats more than most 5'6 fellas that turn pros! like dex jackson in national was 185!! and many others are less in the 80s and 70s... but he actually tell you kidos this all is on 250mg testosterona and some bazooka gums ,,really he take it to worse level than canadican geezer vince...its like he admit over all but really absolit twist the numbers and products,,
EVERYTHING ON TWISTER PHYSIQE POINT TO GH AND INSULINA USAGE ,, NOT HIGH DOSES! BUT NICE DOSES,, AND ALL OF US PROFESIONALS WHEN WE TALK AMONG US WE LAUGH OUR ASS,, SOME PROFESIONALS ARE GIMIK ACCOUNT HERE AND WE JUST SIT AND LAUGH AT TWISTER...THAT FELLA HAS INSULINA IN LOWER DOSES AND HGH ...THAT! WHAT GOT HIM TO 190+ ON STAGE ...LOL NOT AAS...AAS GOT HIM TO 170 TO 180...WHAT GOT HIM UP THERE TO THE 190 WAS LOW LEVEL INSULINA AND HGH AT MID SINGLE DOSES,,
he really twist the truth ,, he will say he took 2 iu when he took 4-6 iu ...he will say he took no insulina when he took insulina and this is how he found out the insulina kill lines and make you bloofy from within as in low bodyfat on the out but fatzo on the inside of the muscle,, thats how he decided insulina killed bodybuild...HE FUCKIN DID IT ON HIMSELF! ,,
5'6 190+lb on stage with out insulina and hgh lol ....you got top national fellas in 20003-2005 going on stage 210lb 5'9 walking offseason 260lb 9% ....lol on so much insulina and hgh you would scare to even look at them and talk to them they look like monsters outside gym,,yet all fake muscle ofcousre....then shrink down to 210 on stage 205-210 lol down from 260 9% LOL this is ofcourse all fat from within the muscle they never saw the lines well enough and just had to diet down more and more in hope they would but they didnt ,,,FAKE SIZE!
coach 190 5'6 ON STAGE lol on some 200mg testosterona cyp hrt lol and 1 anadrola a day lol ,,
i really am ashamed to be among them on a board i really do it for new generation here and nothing else,, fuckin retard did everything from trenbolona to insulina and inbetween ,, lol 1905'6 on stage ... ::) thats like arnold 240-245 lb in top condition on stage lol ....our twister here is the second coming of arnold lol ,,,amazing the shit the balonie i hear here,,
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LMAO.....Hhahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha.
This gimmick is cluuuuuless. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahaha!
And you SUCKERS actually fall for his shit. Hahaha.
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never understood it, but typing your laugh in a word is a sign of defeat.
a little "haha" is ok in replacement of the "lol", but when you type that many times pressing the letters "h" and "a", you're really just wearing a "sheild" because what someone has said has hit home to you so you try your best to make them feel dumb..."look how long i am laughing on internet mode..i cant stop, im going on forever"
exact same style as groink when a true legitimate question arises about his usage.
"hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha"
really? cos i just felt dumb as hell doing that ^ above.
GH15 answered in great detail. Actual real comparisons there making everyone get a visual as to what 190lb @ 5'6 looks like comparing it to people we know and their heights ie; dexter jackson and arnie and we all know what it took for them to reach those numbers in the same comparisons to the ones you were claiming. very detailed reply by gh15....
....but then look at your reply. how old are you? "hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha"
"look how long i am laughing at your post with no explaination"
you now come off as the defeated one.
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never understood it, but typing your laugh in a word is a sign of defeat.
a little "haha" is ok in replacement of the "lol", but when you type that many times pressing the letters "h" and "a", you're really just wearing a "sheild" because what someone has said has hit home to you so you try your best to make them feel dumb..."look how long i am laughing on internet mode..i cant stop, im going on forever"
exact same style as groink when a true legitimate question arises about his usage.
"hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha"
really? cos i just felt dumb as hell doing that ^ above.
GH15 answered in great detail. Actual real comparisons there making everyone get a visual as to what 190lb @ 5'6 looks like comparing it to people we know and their heights ie; dexter jackson and arnie and we all know what it took for them to reach those numbers in the same comparisons to the ones you were claiming. very detailed reply by gh15....
....but then look at your reply. how old are you? "hahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahaha"
"look how long i am laughing at your post with no explaination"
you now come off as the defeated one.
FACT
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A lot of people do that hahaha or the LOL thing in inappropriate times... like we all know you'r not really laughing at the computer, and if you are you're insane...
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The twister is a retarded midget
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The twister is a retarded midget
gh15 has been on this board for what? six years? And twister still calls him a gimmick. I think coach is basically a good guy but he is so out of his league when going head to head with gh15. He should just accept the fact that gh15 thinks he stretchs and twists the truth and live with it. He shouldnt care som much what gh15 thinks about him becasue when he gets into it with him he always comes out looking bad.
Your a successful businessman twister. You dont have to keep defending yourself. Just let it go. I feel bad for you when you come across as a dunce.