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After being a bit more positive, I havent made any america threads, But Its about time for One ;D
Brainwasingh young kids to eventually join the army in "gods name"
reminds you of some other religion..?
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My first reaction was a negative one. Then as I kept watching I saw the positive in this. Lot of kids aren't getting moral guidance or some principles to live by. Despite the way these kids are getting manipulated by adults at least now they have a direction in life. We all need a discpline to live by in order to better ourselves. Now only hope that these kids wouldn't use violent manners to force their beliefs on others.
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My first reaction was a negative one. Then as I kept watching I saw the positive in this. Lot of kids aren't getting moral guidance or some principles to live by. Despite the way these kids are getting manipulated by adults at least now they have a direction in life. We all need a discpline to live by in order to better ourselves. Now only hope that these kids wouldn't use violent manners to force their beliefs on others.
Discipline is good. Brainwashing isn't. And you can get guidience without having to menion "god" or "jesus".
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Swede use your brain a little. What's wrong with being taught to love your neighbor, your enemy, treat your parents good, all good things that christianity teaches. It's a peacful religion like it or not. If you follow the moral codes that are taught at most churches you will be a good productive citizen and help people around you.
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Swede use your brain a little. What's wrong with being taught to love your neighbor, your enemy, treat your parents good,.
Nothing, its called common sense in sweden and not anything religious.
love your enemy? so what is americans doing at war?
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Nothing, its called common sense in sweden and not anything religious
exactly, we dont need religion to be a kind and loving person.
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You guys gotta' understand this is generation nothingness they need that religious stimulation to stay attentive because w/out the instant stimulation they can't comprehend it and lose interest.
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Nothing, its called common sense in sweden and not anything religious
I don't see anything wrong with what these parents are doing. I don't know why it offends or bothers people like you so much. The majority of real practing christians are really good people. What do they that bothers you so much? I would rather have one of them as a neighbor than a little sicko like you. The bible says the father is the spiritual leader and it is his duty to make sure the kids and wife are also saved.
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Discipline is good. Brainwashing isn't. And you can get guidience without having to menion "god" or "jesus".
What kind of guidance? I've seen it both ways. For example, I see a big difference between kids that are brought up in a Christian environment as opposed to a non-Christian environment. If the kid decides he want's drift away from his beliefs when he/she gets older then so be it, as parents we can be disappointed but we won't kill our kids for it but eventually, for most, they come back.
I'm particularly proud of my son when does "random acts of kindness" for others without being told or even thinking about it.
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Religion is there to keep people frustrated and submissive. Nothing else. Of course brainwashed have no problem with brainwashing. That's the circle of life in America.
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Swede use your brain a little. What's wrong with being taught to love your neighbor, your enemy, treat your parents good, all good things that christianity teaches. It's a peacful religion like it or not. If you follow the moral codes that are taught at most churches you will be a good productive citizen and help people around you.
That is just hilarious. WTF, I admit that nowadays Islam is in its radical phase and is more dangerous then any other religion but to think Christianity is by essence peaceful is just ridiculous. Not only did Christians do the most killing but they also spent a good time killing each other.
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I don't see anything wrong with what these parents are doing. I don't know why it offends or bothers people like you so much. The majority of real practing christians are really good people. What do they that bothers you so much? I would rather have one of them as a neighbor than a little sicko like you. The bible says the father is the spiritual leader and it is his duty to make sure the kids and wife are also saved.
It bothers me because it hinders the children to think for THEMSELF as in creating SHEEPS. Do this or you go to hell, Do This or you will burn forever in hell.
If you cannot teach your children common sense without having to forcce relligion upon them you shouldnt have kids in the first place.
And peaceful you say? lol.
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What kind of guidance? I've seen it both ways. For example, I see a big difference between kids that are brought up in a Christian environment as opposed to a non-Christian environment. If the kid decides he want's drift away from his beliefs when he/she gets older then so be it, as parents we can be disappointed but we won't kill our kids for it but eventually, for most, they come back.
I'm particularly proud of my son when does "random acts of kindness" for others without being told or even thinking about it.
you should Allow your kids to Choose religion if they want to, not DRIVE them to fucking brainwashing camps.
Not "you're GOING TO CHURCH" but "Do you Want to go to church" kids need to be Told some things. Religion is Not one of them.
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That is just hilarious. WTF, I admit that nowadays Islam is in its radical phase and is more dangerous then any other religion but to think Christianity is by essence peaceful is just ridiculous. Not only did Christians do the most killing but they also spent a good time killing each other.
Nothing like going back to the old testament ::)
Open your eyes and look around....TODAY.
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Religion is there to keep people frustrated and submissive. Nothing else. Of course brainwashed have no problem with brainwashing. That's the circle of life in America.
Christianity has saved a lot of people. It has helped more people than it hurts. A lot of Christian organizations take care of the poor and sick. They do a lot for the community. They can depend on eachother for help.
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you should Allow your kids to Choose religion if they want to, not DRIVE them to fucking brainwashing camps
So naive Swede.
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You guys gotta' understand this is generation nothingness they need that religious stimulation to stay attentive because w/out the instant stimulation they can't comprehend it and lose interest.
hey GH15
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it sometimes frightens me how a country that portrait themselves as being an example of a free modern democratic society can be so conservative. a high percentage of people there still believe in the creation theory wtf? a lot of people seem to be just as backwarded as in the shitholes of the middle east. scarryy
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Christianity has saved a lot of people. It has helped more people than it hurts. A lot of Christian organizations take care of the poor and sick. They do a lot for the community. They can depend on eachother for help.
Thats why Im not against religion. If it makes people better then go for it. Forcing it on kids is however HORRIBLE. Kids can be taught to believe Anything because ...they're kids.
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Nothing like going back to the old testament ::)
Open your eyes and look around....TODAY.
I know right. Hundreds of years ago during the crusades christians did some killing. How many times do you see christians blowing shit up? Not very often. The ones who do it are outcasts.
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Nothing like going back to the old testament ::)
Open your eyes and look around....TODAY.
Killng 70k innocent cilivians in afhangistan to steal oil you mean?
oh wait, Its for your freedom ::)
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Christianity has saved a lot of people. It has helped more people than it hurts. A lot of Christian organizations take care of the poor and sick. They do a lot for the community. They can depend on eachother for help.
Well, that's exactLy what Muslim fundamentalists do also. And that's also how they prosper. By "taking care of the poor and the sick" but as always there's an agenda behind this. Just go take a little trip in those third world shitholes to see what's going on there. And you'll get it maybe. People are easy to manipulate when they don't have much alternatives in life.
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Killng 70k innocent cilivians in afhangistan to steal oil you mean?
oh wait, Its for your freedom ::)
Oh God..pleeeaze ::)
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Nothing like going back to the old testament ::)
Open your eyes and look around....TODAY.
Are you really that uneducated? Try not even 200 years ago, try reading a bit about Roman Catholicism during the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century.
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Thats why Im not against religion. If it makes people better then go for it. Forcing it on kids is however HORRIBLE. Kids can be taught to believe Anything because ...they're kids.
It gives kids a good stable foundation. Taking kids to church is a good thing. It helps more than it hurts.
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It gives kids a good stable foundation. Taking kids to church is a good thing. It helps more than it hurts.
Isn't there a difference between church and the first video?
So why do you think that? is it because its a grup of wellbehaved people at That time?
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Isn't there a difference between church and the first video?
Brining kids into a stable group of well behaved people they can lookup to would do the same.
That video you showed was very extreme. Why do you think someone bothered to put it on the internet. I agree that was to extreme. There is nothing wrong with taking your kids to sunday school letting them sing hymns and learn the good word. The people in the video were to extreme for my liking.
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people are very weak minded when they need religion to stay a good person. people are hypocrites.
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That video you showed was very extreme. Why do you think someone bothered to put it on the internet. I agree that was to extreme. There is nothing wrong with taking your kids to sunday school letting them sing hymns and learn the good word. The people in the video were to extreme for my liking.
Singing classes and rounding up a bunch of well behaved friends that could be used as good rolemodels?
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Religious people are smug assholes.
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Singing classes and rounding up a bunch of well behaved friends that could be used as good rolemodels?
Great thing about America it's a free country. If you don't like religion you don't have to participate or go to any churches. You won't get beat and tortured for it like the muslims you and the other idiot liberals like to defend. People have a choice in America. Once kids reach 16 they don't have to go to church any longer.
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After being a bit more positive, I havent made any america threads, But Its about time for One ;D
Brainwasingh young kids to eventually join the army in "gods name"
reminds you of some other religion..?
'Religion: Treat it like your penis. Dont show it off in public, and don't shove it down your children's throat.'
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Such a great way of thinking: let some religious insitution (with a shady past like all of them have) have the monopoly of moral values. i'm not even sure I really need a God above to know right from wrong. But what I'm sure off is that I don't need some self-proclaimed spreader of the good word to teach me this.
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Great thing about America it's a free country. If you don't like religion you don't have to participate or go to any churches. You won't get beat and tortured for it like the muslims you and the other idiot liberals like to defend. People have a choice in America. Once kids reach 16 they don't have to go to church any longer.
Doesn't many schools start their days with saying "grace?" or whatever its called, isn't religion on your damn Money?!
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People try to "will" themselves through religion. In reality they are just scared of the possibility of the nothing that awaits them upon death. People needed guidance 2,000+ years ago on how to live a good life, these days it should come naturally. Ask the families of the 85 kids that died what they think of god now. It has always been a mixture of luck, and natural selection. I am not religious nor am I an athiest, I am a wait n seeist.
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Doesn't many schools start their days with saying "grace?" or whatever its called, isn't religion on your damn Money?!
No swede private school do this! You can't even mention god in school at anytime.
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Such a great way of thinking: let some religious insitution (with a shady past like all of them have) have the monopoly of moral values. i'm not even sure I really need a God above to know right from wrong. But what I'm sure off is that I don't need some self-proclaimed spreader of the good word to teach me this.
Don't listen then. No one said you have to listen to any pastor preacher or whatever. If you don't like it good you don't have to do it. Why bitch about it some much though.
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Don't listen then. No one said you have to listen to any pastor preacher or whatever. If you don't like it good you don't have to do it. Why bitch about it some much though.
I'm still mad that Wandy got raped by Leben so quick! :'(
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I'm still mad that Wandy got raped by Leben so quick! :'(
Fjodor vs henderson next week!
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Children believe in stuff like fairies and Santa and God.
But you have to grow up some time...
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Children believe in stuff like fairies and Santa and God.
But you have to grow up some time...
Lol. Wouldn't be something though if when we die its exactly like people say it is, with pearly gates etc... Then god comes out and looks at you with one of them "yeah bitch what do you have to say now faces"
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No swede private school do this! You can't even mention god in school at anytime.
you do know this is false right?
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Fjodor vs henderson next week!
I like Henderson, but I definately hope Fedor wins in spectacular fashion and gets back on track!
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you do know this is false right?
It is considered taboo in this day and age Magoo.
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Lol. Wouldn't be something though if when we die its exactly like people say it is, with pearly gates etc... Then god comes out and looks at you with one of them "yeah bitch what do you have to say now faces"
I actually had a dream like that years ago. It was like...sshhhiiittt..
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I actually had a dream like that years ago. It was like...sshhhiiittt..
"come in and spend an eternity with super religious people"
I would be like Shiiiiit too. ;D
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It is considered taboo in this day and age Magoo.
Just because less than half do it is irrelevant to saying that something is completely outlawed or banned. I hate how some christians go on a rant about how all prayer or mention of Jesus is banned but all other religions are accepted in public schools.
It is legally permissible for a teacher to read the Bible as a form of literature. There can be prayers in school. What there cant be is a school mandated prayer or where the school endorses a certain type of religion over others. Little jewish timmy can't be told by his kindergarten teacher that he will burn in hell for not accepting Jesus, just like little christian tommy can't be forced to face mecca by his muslim teacher, etc.
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"come in and spend an eternity with super religious people"
I would be like Shiiiiit too. ;D
Eternity in Heaven must be booooooooooooooring. That would be Hell.
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Eternity in Heaven must be booooooooooooooring. That would be Hell.
I would rather blow myself up and get 7500 servants and a few virgins, now THAT sounds fun at least ;D
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No swede private school do this! You can't even mention god in school at anytime.
absolutely false. There is no prohibition against mentioning god in school. There is prohibition about organized, school faculty led teaching, preaching, or pushing one religion over another. You can talk to your friends about god at lunch, you can pray silently to your god all day long if you want. But your statement is false.
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I would rather blow myself up and get 7500 servants and a few virgins, now THAT sounds fun at least ;D
Until you run out of virgins..where do they put them afterwards anyway??
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Until you run out of virgins..where do they put them afterwards anyway??
I have 7500 female servants to ruin ;D
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I have to say while I am not opposed at all to religion in a young person's life,...I object to "cult" religions like Branch Davidians, Assemblies of God, Mormons, and the Southern Baptist Convention. I prefer the Religions with a cogent Theological Foundation,...like the Episcopalians, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Unitarians.
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I have to say while I am not opposed at all to religion in a young person's life,...I object to "cult" religions like Branch Davidians, Assemblies of God, and the Southern Baptist Convention. I prefer the Religions with a cogent Theological Foundation,...like the Episcopalians, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Unitarians.
In the end it's all the same stuff, man..
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Don't listen then. No one said you have to listen to any pastor preacher or whatever. If you don't like it good you don't have to do it. Why bitch about it some much though.
This is the essence of American freedom. You are free to listen to anyone you want to or don't want to listen to, even if it's clear that people are easy to persuade and trick into stuff (everyone has their limit). You are free to be yourself, no matter if you turn into a social outcast and a recluse. You are free to do anything you want.
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LOL
Even that fire truck arriving at 0:46 has American flag waving on it ;D WTF
BTW, pretty damn funny videos this 'Jimmy' makes !!!
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I have to say while I am not opposed at all to religion in a young person's life,...I object to "cult" religions like Branch Davidians, Assemblies of God, and the Southern Baptist Convention. I prefer the Religions with a cogent Theological Foundation,...like the Episcopalians, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Unitarians.
The very fact that there are different branches of christianity should tell a smart person how retarded the whole idea is. If you are a true Christian, there should be one set in stone ideology that everyone should follow. It's not a pick and choose "i'll take this, and a little of that etc..." Organized religion is stupid. Each person should follow their own heart and mind when it comes to their beliefs.
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The very fact that there are different branches of christianity should tell a smart person how retarded the whole idea is. If you are a true Christian, there should be one set in stone ideology that everyone should follow. It's not a pick and choose "i'll take this, and a little of that etc..." Organized religion is stupid. Each person should follow their own heart and mind when it comes to their beliefs.
stop making sense THATS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY IN GOD WE TRUUUST!!!!!!!!!!!!
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'Religion: Treat it like your penis. Dont show it off in public, and don't shove it down your children's throat.'
I am going to use that phrase every single day until I die
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Religion is there to keep people frustrated and submissive. Nothing else. Of course brainwashed have no problem with brainwashing. That's the circle of life in America.
I agree, but why can't people teach kids morals without relying on 2000 year old trash that doesn't really pertain to this modern era? Like half the moral BS is about worshipping a god that doesn't exist. The circle needs to be broken, thrown out, and rebuilt from things that actually pertain and make sense.
Religion is about as moral as pedophelia, just ask any priest.
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After being a bit more positive, I havent made any america threads, But Its about time for One ;D
Brainwasingh young kids to eventually join the army in "gods name"
reminds you of some other religion..?
When I see shit like this I just want to PUKE !
This people that do this kind of thing to childrens are as bad as PEDHOPHILE !
This kind of thing to children are MENTAL RAPE that will give a terrible permanent scar on their fragile minds !
This kind of thing are the one that can transform an innocent children to a future ANDERS BEHRING BREIVICK !
This kind of thing to children make me want to became ATHEIST even if I believe in God !
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swede checkout these vids hilarious
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After being a bit more positive, I havent made any america threads, But Its about time for One ;D
Brainwasingh young kids to eventually join the army in "gods name"
reminds you of some other religion..?
Brainwashing is a human thing, not an American thing.
http://www.cracked.com/article_16656_6-brainwashing-techniques-theyre-using-you-right-now.html
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what is brainwashing and what isnt 'swede' , you mental midget, considering everything is conditionning?
Bah. Get an education first.
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Religious people are smug assholes.
Agreed. It also tells the observer a lot about the individuals brain. Very religious people are codependent which many believe is a form of mental illness.
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Brainwashing is a human thing, not an American thing.
now that would have been a boring thread wouldn't It? ;D
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Coach, you made a critical error.
You said "Nothing like going back to the Old Testament" when referring to the Crusades.
Uhhh...last I checked, there were no Christians in the Old Testament.
Christians appeared after our boy Jesus hit the scene.
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Coach, you made a critical error.
You said "Nothing like going back to the Old Testament" when referring to the Crusades.
Uhhh...last I checked, there were no Christians in the Old Testament.
Christians appeared after our boy Jesus hit the scene.
The Crusades were played out by morons on both sides. They actually thought that Jesus/Muhammad would condone killing in their names. Religions of peace ::)
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everytime an indvidual opens his mouth and attempt to influence someone else by gathering or putting informations into his mind, it's a brainwashing process. This thread is stupid.
We are all a sum of conditionnings that for the most parts we didnt even choose. The first one being born at some random place when others are born somewhere else. So much for freedom of choice...
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jimmy is the man
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My first reaction was a negative one. Then as I kept watching I saw the positive in this. Lot of kids aren't getting moral guidance or some principles to live by. Despite the way these kids are getting manipulated by adults at least now they have a direction in life. We all need a discpline to live by in order to better ourselves. Now only hope that these kids wouldn't use violent manners to force their beliefs on others.
great post. ;D ;D ;D
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everytime an indvidual opens his mouth and attempt to influence someone else by gathering or putting informations into his mind, it's a brainwashing process. This thread is stupid.
We are all a sum of conditionnings that for the most parts we didnt even choose. The first one being born at some random place when others are born somewhere else. So much for freedom of choice...
As you grow older, new information is met with your accumulated prejudices. Children have few prejudices, and are therefore incredibly easy to influence, accepting almost anything they hear. Swede is saying that it is in his interest (and, he insists, all of our interests') to refrain from teaching children religion until they have more experience. Then, instead of being automatically accepted, the religious thoughts will have to fight for their place in the (hopefully) young adult's head.
Schopenhauer said something similar in his essay "On Education." He believed children should be taught things which they can understand for themselves -- math, history, and the like -- while saving the more complex issues for adulthood. Of course, no child (or adult) can understand everything they hear, and we all have many prejudices which are accepted on authority or with a hazy understanding of the premises. The fact is, though, that this is even MORE true for things like religion, political, and philosophical issues. These issues are the most sophisticated, and therefore possess more room for error.
Yes, "everything is conditioning," but, as Swede would doubtless agree, instilling your most complex prejudices in your children is a bad strategy for conditioning, and, as you might say "= less chance for survival."
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Discipline is good. Brainwashing isn't. And you can get guidience without having to menion "god" or "jesus".
BINGO! You don't need the bible to teach good basic values, ethics and morals.
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People try to "will" themselves through religion. In reality they are just scared of the possibility of the nothing that awaits them upon death. People needed guidance 2,000+ years ago on how to live a good life, these days it should come naturally. Ask the families of the 85 kids that died what they think of god now. It has always been a mixture of luck, and natural selection. I am not religious nor am I an athiest, I am a wait n seeist.
That's called Agnosticism ;)
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Don't listen then. No one said you have to listen to any pastor preacher or whatever. If you don't like it good you don't have to do it. Why bitch about it some much though.
I have the ability not to listen. Because I'm a grown up and I wasn't forced to listen to this as a kid. And most people didn't have a choice either before secularism kicked some religious asses and kept them to a more restrained circle. But I have to say that I agree to a large extent with Uberman: there are different types of determinism and we all face that, religious or not.
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BINGO! You don't need the bible to teach good basic values, ethics and morals.
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I want to live by the morals swede grew up with and assault drunk people and steal from them and then live off the gubment. Much better than living by decent morals.
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everytime an indvidual opens his mouth and attempt to influence someone else by gathering or putting informations into his mind, it's a brainwashing process. This thread is stupid.
We are all a sum of conditionnings that for the most parts we didnt even choose. The first one being born at some random place when others are born somewhere else. So much for freedom of choice...
I respectfully disagree. There is a difference in brainwashing and voicing an opinion or attempting to influence a person. Brainwashing would cause a person to strap a bomb on themselves and blow up themselves and others. Brainwashing would cause a kidnapped victim to not let a police officer know they were kidnapped years ago when asked. Brainwashing would cause people to drink poisoned kool-aid.
I don't think voicing your opinion that gold is a good investment over stocks is brainwashing.
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Some people do not understand the concept of brainwashing. We are all brainwashed, to some degree.
Raising a child from birth to "believe" in god is considerable brainwashing. Religion of any kind is a cult.
What I see in that video is pure and simply abuse. These children are not able to fend off the advances of adults committed to programming their young minds to function as theirs do.
Disgusting.
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Some people do not understand the concept of brainwashing. We are all brainwashed, to some degree.
Raising a child from birth to "believe" in god is considerable brainwashing. Religion of any kind is a cult.
What I see in that video is pure and simply abuse. These children are not able to fend off the advances of adults committed to programming their young minds to function as theirs do.
Disgusting.
I remember watching a documentary on the preacher that pickets military and gay funerals (Phelps). The kids were all parroting the same bigotry and hatred their parents were....it was sad really that those kids will be messed up in the head for years to come without professional help. They were speaking of things they knew nothing about as if they were experts on it. The obnoxious, pompous attitudes were already in place.
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Why isn't polytheism and capitalism taught? I like that combo over 1 god stuff.
Single god stuff is not the antipode to communism.
I prefer muliplicity.
I reccomend it.