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over 70% of the country shun the GOP for the way they are doing this, even english politicians are worried about right wing nuts.
watch Obamas speech in comparison to bohners, its ridiculous, the GOP flat out lies and it is clear they will not tax the richest 2% percent for some reason, this reason is some odd economic theory of job creation that clearly doesn't work. Obama even mentions himself as those who dont need the extra dough and should pay more taxes, how can you say he is doing what is in his interest. He envokes reagan to support his so call far left agenda. Wake up, Obama took office in perhaps the toughest period in modern history, a failed war, a declining economy and the rise of right wing nuts like the tea party. He has done a shit to moderate job, way to right winged in his approach, keeping ridiculous tax cuts and staying at war.
as a rational human how can you be opposed to his proposal, its FAIR.
also, note how many times bohner flat out lies, just outright lies and speaks as if he is talking to 10 year old children. Its very odd.
clinton left a surplus bush racked up near record debt,started futile wars and was a huge part in creating the biggest inequality in US economy ever seen, EVER SEEN while you guys suffer 9% unemployment.
what argument against a balanced approach could you offer that is steeped in reality?
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http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/07/26/279008/john-boehner-debt-plan-poverty/
– As a result, virtually all of that $1.8 trillion would come from entitlement programs. They would have to be cut more than $1.5 trillion in order to produce sufficient interest savings to achieve $1.8 trillion in total savings.
– To secure $1.5 trillion in entitlement savings over the next ten years would require draconian policy changes. Policymakers would essentially have three choices: 1) cut Social Security and Medicare benefits heavily for current retirees, something that all budget plans from both parties (including House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan’s plan) have ruled out; 2) repeal the Affordable Care Act’s coverage expansions while retaining its measures that cut Medicare payments and raise tax revenues, even though Republicans seek to repeal many of those measures as well; or 3) eviscerate the safety net for low-income children, parents, senior citizens, and people with disabilities. There is no other plausible way to get $1.5 trillion in entitlement cuts in the next ten years. [...]
In short, the Boehner plan would force policymakers to choose among cutting the incomes and health benefits of ordinary retirees, repealing the guts of health reform and leaving an estimated 34 million more Americans uninsured, and savaging the safety net for the poor. It would do so even as it shielded all tax breaks, including the many lucrative tax breaks for the wealthiest and most powerful individuals and corporations.
why arent you guys out there with pitchforks demanding the government stop the rape of the regular joe? what is going on that you are that brainwashed. I sincerely hope this gets resolved as it will have a huge impact on global economics.
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http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/07/real-talk-the-gops-debt-ceiling-stance-is-economic-nonsense/242536/
what economic principles are you supporting? it has no basis in current economic theory, do some classes in buisness, it is not even in line with basic premises.
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http://www.countercurrents.org/bailout240711.htm
raping you from the inside out, jesus.
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Yeah, lets follow more failed obama policies.
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Yeah, lets follow more failed obama policies.
you clown, that graph shows the whole story. You ignore the lies told right there by bohner, while you hold the world hostage. You are so entrenched in the two party system you cant think rationally. Obamas speech gained him nothing, he was honest and was willing to admit fault, he spoke personally and told the people to decide, which they did in a record number of calls and emails. While bohner blamed everything on obamas spending, much of which was bailouts, help for student and a shit health plan that is doomed to fail. It is truly a terrible system.
It is people like you who have gotten this issue to the point of affecting the world. You will support repubs no matter what. Do you hear i think over and over obama has doen a shit job, he has not be left at all, his policies and continued support of repub principles elucidate this. You however, will never admit that the GOP are handling this terribly and are not looking out for you, why do you gain from there proposal? Nothing.
clinton left a surplus, bush raped the fuck out of it, and racked up record deficeit. Obama used a stimulus package that kept the economy afloat, that is health care and bailouts but did nothing long term, it sucked.
you have a chance to either fuck up the world here, or make a huge difference, dont let this two party right or wrong view fuck it up.
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Ok i see it, what do you want me to specifically look at? How is this in anyway a rational retort?
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Your posting and thread is so comical, I really dont know where to start. Full of cliche and bs.
Obama has failed.
His policies have made things drastically worse on all fronts.
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Your posting and thread is so comical, I really dont know where to start. Full of cliche and bs.
Obama has failed.
His policies have made things drastically worse on all fronts.
Ok, where did i debate his job so far? The GOP have done nothing beneficial as well, i just dont care about that shit, its the oppurtunity you guys have to either play polictics and fuck the world or change for the better.
You keep spouting right or left propaganda, why i dont know.
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They were elected to stop obama.
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They were elected to stop obama.
ok and now they have over a 70% disapproval rating, so are they doing a good job? sounds like both are doing shit to me.
you keep deflecting the argument, changing topics. You answer no questions, and respond to any criticism of your party by not admitting fault but blaming obama. open your eyes.
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Let me ask you something. Why should anyone trust another obama scheme when every single other thing he has passed has not nearly or even remotely panned out as promised?
3rd time a charm? hhhmmmm? ? ? ?
Stim Bill failed
ObamaCare failed
His energy policies have failed
Inflation is drastically higher
Jobless rate is drastically higher
Food Stamps usage is 43% higher in two years alone.
Misery Index beats carter era levels
Weekly jobless claims are a disaster.
Tell me one reason we should follow this pice of marxist trash in light of the fact that everything else he has touched has failed?
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Let me ask you something. Why should anyone trust another obama scheme when every single other thing he has passed has not nearly or even remotely panned out as promised?
3rd time a charm? hhhmmmm? ? ? ?
Stim Bill failed
ObamaCare failed
His energy policies have failed
Inflation is drastically higher
Jobless rate is drastically higher
Food Stamps usage is 43% higher in two years alone.
Misery Index beats carter era levels
Weekly jobless claims are a disaster.
Tell me one reason we should follow this pice of marxist trash in light of the fact that everything else he has touched has failed?
because you are blaming this all on obama when the fact is bush is 90% of the blame for the direction the economy went and obamas issue is the failure to turn it around with moderate to outright failures. The economy has stabilized under him, it was worse when he initially took office do you not realize that. I wouldn't say the stim bill failed because while some parts did he did save many industries and for example college kids ability to attend school. It was meant to halt the decline in alot of areas which it did and to stimulate economic growth which it did not. Your health care system is going to crash, it has to be changed and badly. Preventative health care needs to be implemented or you will cause the fall of america in the future. It's not obamas fault alone, however, he is part of the blame.
You see i agree with you obama hasn;t done well, i just dont think he has failed at everything and i truly believe he is highly intelligent and lacks guts to do the things necessary. He has been cowardly in his policy and has given in far to much. The reason you have to trust him is that of the proposals and options his is obviously the best from an ideological standpoint and in reality, previous repubs have followed similar bipartisan plans and they are usually the best option. Just cutting spending is never a good idea, why would it be for the economy, job creation? it's not based in economics, rather politics and this is the problem.
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Obama was elected to correct the mistakes of Bush. What we are living through is GWB's 3rd term.
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Obama was elected to correct the mistakes of Bush. What we are living through is GWB's 3rd term.
sure ill grant you that although i do think he has done a better job then bush and while its useless i see him having much more potential because of his intelligence. However, potential at the end of 4 years probably equates that this is what he will be.
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sure ill grant you that although i do think he has done a better job then bush and while its useless i see him having much more potential because of his intelligence. However, potential at the end of 4 years probably equates that this is what he will be.
Bush is roundly considered one of the worst presidents ever. The fact that obama is being compared to bush, even remotely, speaks volumes.
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Let me ask you something. Why should anyone trust another obama scheme when every single other thing he has passed has not nearly or even remotely panned out as promised?
3rd time a charm? hhhmmmm? ? ? ?
Inflation is drastically higher
Inflation is NOT drastically higher...
I showed you that yesterday, you know this.
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Inflation is NOT drastically higher...
I showed you that yesterday, you know this.
Bro - you are dead wrong on that. The CPI used by the FEd is pure bullshit.
Even on July 4, all stories said that inflation is at 26%. Ron Paul said its at least 10%.
Gas is higher, health care is higher, food is higher, commodities are higher.
Dollar has lost a ton of value as well.
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Bro - you are dead wrong on that. The CPI used by the FEd is pure bullshit.
Even on July 4, all stories said that inflation is at 26%. Ron Paul said its at least 10%.
Gas is higher, health care is higher, food is higher, commodities are higher.
Dollar has lost a ton of value as well.
Well, according to THIS... inflation is NOT drastically higher.
I do not care what any of the politicians SAY... Here is the fucking data.
http://www.fintrend.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/CurrentInflation.asp
As a matter of fact, it even went DOWN in 2009, under Obama.
So you can say the CPI is bullshit, but it's the inflationary data that has been used for how long?
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Bush is roundly considered one of the worst presidents ever. The fact that obama is being compared to bush, even remotely, speaks volumes.
it is different no? bush took office during a great time, clinton did a good job and he wrecked everything pretty much. Obama takes office during one of the most difficult times and actually kept it afloat. His stim package wasn't as bad as you claim, the data is out there, parts of it helped immensely,parts of it failed hard.
i doubt anyone could stop the bush era rape in four years, especially with the decision to keep the wars going which is stupid but i understand the patriots love it. get dem invisible terrorists.
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Well, according to THIS... inflation is NOT drastically higher.
I do not care what any of the politicians SAY... Here is the fucking data.
http://www.fintrend.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/CurrentInflation.asp
As a matter of fact, it even went DOWN in 2009, under Obama.
So you can say the CPI is bullshit, but it's the inflationary data that has been used for how long?
no dude ron paul says thats not true, he has magical data that is better. Facts lie apparently.
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Well, according to THIS... inflation is NOT drastically higher.
I do not care what any of the politicians SAY... Here is the fucking data.
http://www.fintrend.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/CurrentInflation.asp
As a matter of fact, it even went DOWN in 2009, under Obama.
So you can say the CPI is bullshit, but it's the inflationary data that has been used for how long?
The CPI does not include food and energy, two things most working people spend a ton on. come on, stop being so blind on this inflation issue.
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The CPI does not include food and energy, two things most working people spend a ton on. come on, stop being so blind on this inflation issue.
I'm not the one being blind... I'm giving you the data.
You are now saying the data is invalid.
Come on man... You hate Obama I get it, but don't be ignorant to the stuff staring you in the face. That mentality is why I can't get on the Tea Party band wagon.
You are so angry with the black man that you can't stand any notion that it ain't all HIS fault.
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I'm not the one being blind... I'm giving you the data.
You are now saying the data is invalid.
Come on man... You hate Obama I get it, but don't be ignorant to the stuff staring you in the face. That mentality is why I can't get on the Tea Party band wagon.
You are so angry with the black man that you can't stand any notion that it ain't all HIS fault.
HA HA HA - THE RACE CARD!!!!!
Food and energy are not in the CPI.
CASE CLOSED
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HA HA HA - THE RACE CARD!!!!!
Food and energy are not in the CPI.
CASE CLOSED
I'm being real about it dude... You're the one who HATES Obama... I'm the one who's honest about what goes on.
Looks like you're wrong there big guy.
Care to amend your statement?
http://www.bls.gov/cpi/cpifaq.htm
What goods and services does the CPI cover?
The CPI represents all goods and services purchased for consumption by the reference population (U or W) BLS has classified all expenditure items into more than 200 categories, arranged into eight major groups. Major groups and examples of categories in each are as follows:
FOOD AND BEVERAGES (breakfast cereal, milk, coffee, chicken, wine, full service meals, snacks)
HOUSING (rent of primary residence, owners' equivalent rent, fuel oil, bedroom furniture)
APPAREL (men's shirts and sweaters, women's dresses, jewelry)
TRANSPORTATION (new vehicles, airline fares, gasoline, motor vehicle insurance)
MEDICAL CARE (prescription drugs and medical supplies, physicians' services, eyeglasses and eye care, hospital services)
RECREATION (televisions, toys, pets and pet products, sports equipment, admissions);
EDUCATION AND COMMUNICATION (college tuition, postage, telephone services, computer software and accessories);
OTHER GOODS AND SERVICES (tobacco and smoking products, haircuts and other personal services, funeral expenses).
Also included within these major groups are various government-charged user fees, such as water and sewerage charges, auto registration fees, and vehicle tolls. In addition, the CPI includes taxes (such as sales and excise taxes) that are directly associated with the prices of specific goods and services. However, the CPI excludes taxes (such as income and Social Security taxes) not directly associated with the purchase of consumer goods and services.
The CPI does not include investment items, such as stocks, bonds, real estate, and life insurance. (These items relate to savings and not to day-to-day consumption expenses.)
For each of the more than 200 item categories, using scientific statistical procedures, the Bureau has chosen samples of several hundred specific items within selected business establishments frequented by consumers to represent the thousands of varieties available in the marketplace. For example, in a given supermarket, the Bureau may choose a plastic bag of golden delicious apples, U.S. extra fancy grade, weighing 4.4 pounds to represent the Apples category.
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Its in the weighting.
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/07/consumerpriceindex.asp#axzz1TEt96XZe
http://americanmonetaryassociation.org/blog/consumer-price-index-is-a-misleading-indicator
http://usa-wethepeople.com/2011/04/why-has-the-bureau-of-labor-statistics-remove-food-and-energy-prices-from-the-consumer-price-index-since-1980
http://activerain.com/blogsview/2049436/why-the-inflation-stats-are-so-bogus-hedonics-substitution-and-weighting
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So now it's in the weighting?
First it didn't take them into account... Now they weight them differently?
Man... you really need to stop... Just admit you were wrong man.
It's not a crime to be wrong... I've been wrong many times.
That one article isn't even right... They aren't REMOVED... So that's a fucking lie.
Why are you putting out lies?
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So now it's in the weighting?
First it didn't take them into account... Now they weight them differently?
Man... you really need to stop... Just admit you were wrong man.
It's not a crime to be wrong... I've been wrong many times.
That one article isn't even right... They aren't REMOVED... So that's a fucking lie.
Why are you putting out lies?
Again - tell me one item, service, good, that costs less or the same today as it did last year that most people use. Even one.
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Again - tell me one item, service, good, that costs less or the same today as it did last year that most people use. Even one.
Blu-Ray players... Game Consoles... The 5 Dollar foot long from subway.
Then there's Lap Dances and Alcohol prices.
Do you want more?
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Blu-Ray players... Game Consoles... The 5 Dollar foot long from subway.
Then there's Lap Dances and Alcohol prices.
Do you want more?
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lcd tvs :D, i just bought a 3d 61 inch sony brevia lcd 1080p 240htz for dirt cheap.
this kid is getting caught in lies over and over, why the need to lie is what i dont get, this issue is so important yet lying is allowed.
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Blu-Ray players... Game Consoles... The 5 Dollar foot long from subway.
Then there's Lap Dances and Alcohol prices.
Do you want more?
Yes, ones that most people use every day.
Gas - higher
Food - higher
health care - higher
clothes - higher
Tuition - higher
car prices - higher
commodities - higher
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lcd tvs :D, i just bought a 3d 61 inch sony brevia lcd 1080p 240htz for dirt cheap.
this kid is getting caught in lies over and over, why the need to lie is what i dont get, this issue is so important yet lying is allowed.
Computers, Cell Phones, Hell... even CARS of some manufacturers are cheaper now.
Oh... HOUSES... can't forget HOUSES.
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Yes, ones that most people use every day.
Gas - higher
Food - higher
health care - higher
clothes - higher
Tuition - higher
car prices - higher
commodities - higher
What the fuck are you talking about? People don't drink every day or watch TV?!
Get out of here... Plus, now you keep changing the criteria?
You listed specific things that cost more... That's all.
So what? I can list just as many that cost less.
And ALL food has not gone up.
The McDonalds dollar menu and the 5 dollar foot long are still the same price. ;)
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Computers, Cell Phones, Hell... even CARS of some manufacturers are cheaper now.
Oh... HOUSES... can't forget HOUSES.
Most people are stuck in their houses for life at this point if they have a mortgage they took out in the last 7 or so years.
Housing is going nowhere for years.
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Yes, ones that most people use every day.
Gas - higher
Food - higher
health care - higher
clothes - higher
Tuition - higher
car prices - higher
commodities - higher
car prices are not higher. Gas is a non renewable resource expect it to go up unless alternatives means are found. The more you have the less it will cost, the more its used the more the demand increases, quite simple. Tuition is similar, college degrees are more common, thus they can profit more and as education excels it becomes less desirable to have just a degree. I for example have a degree and doctorate and paid a ridiculous amount for them, i could do nothing with just a degree while 30 years ago my father who had only highschool could make over a 100gs.
it more complex then the black and white.
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Again - talk to the average guy on the street and ask him if he is experiencing inflation.
Food, energy, clothing, health care, commodities, etc.
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Most people are stuck in their houses for life at this point if they have a mortgage they took out in the last 7 or so years.
Housing is going nowhere for years.
It is actually still going DOWN... house purchases will be cheaper next week than today.
Still CHEAPER.
So I've met and exceeded your criteria by far.
Can you just admit that on this point, in regards to inflation, you're just wrong?
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It is actually still going DOWN... house purchases will be cheaper next week than today.
Still CHEAPER.
So I've met and exceeded your criteria by far.
Can you just admit that on this point, in regards to inflation, you're just wrong?
Doesnt matter - home prices could fall to almost zero and it wont matter at this point.
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Doesnt matter - home prices could fall to almost zero and it wont matter at this point.
Is it or is not a "one item, service, good, that costs less or the same today as it did last year that most people use"?
Along with the other 8 -10 I've listed.
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Is it or is not a "one item, service, good, that costs less or the same today as it did last year that most people use"?
Along with the other 8 -10 I've listed.
For sure - no doubt - but for the average guy already locked into a mortgage, it does not matter one bit since he cant get out of his existing mortgage and benefit from that price deflation at all.
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For sure - no doubt - but for the average guy already locked into a mortgage, it does not matter one bit since he cant get out of his existing mortgage and benefit from that price deflation at all.
You made the criteria... I responded.
That's all.
People who plan on living in their house do not care that it's not "worth as much". Their personal property taxes are now lower because of the change in assessment helps them.
In the next 10 years, housing will be back up and their value will not have lost anything... it will even gain within 15 years (you heard it here first).
Only people who wanted to flip that house care... people who want to live in their home are fine and their house will eventually regain value.
I again ask the original question, why do you talk about Obama and inflation, when the largest years of inflation in the past 10 years were 2005 and 2006?
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You made the criteria... I responded.
That's all.
People who plan on living in their house do not care that it's not "worth as much". Their personal property taxes are now lower because of the change in assessment helps them.
In the next 10 years, housing will be back up and their value will not have lost anything... it will even gain within 15 years (you heard it here first).
Only people who wanted to flip that house care... people who want to live in their home are fine and their house will eventually regain value.
I again ask the original question, why do you talk about Obama and inflation, when the largest years of inflation in the past 10 years were 2005 and 2006?
Obama is causing massive inflation in energy and food and health care through his policies.
Pick any item and compare the price from 2008 to now.
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Obama is causing massive inflation in energy and food and health care through his policies.
Pick any item and compare the price from 2008 to now.
Yes, in those 3 areas I agree with you.
However, that does not equate to inflation across the board.
And the "food" inflation isn't that big actually... Now, energy and healthcare, absolutely... I am in agreement that the inflation on those has increased drastically. My co-pay at thee office went from 10 bucks to 15 bucks... That's a 33% increase.
So I agree... those are TWO (energy and healthcare) are big... I agree.
That is not inflation as a complete whole.
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Yes, in those 3 areas I agree with you.
However, that does not equate to inflation across the board.
And the "food" inflation isn't that big actually... Now, energy and healthcare, absolutely... I am in agreement that the inflation on those has increased drastically. My co-pay at thee office went from 10 bucks to 15 bucks... That's a 33% increase.
So I agree... those are TWO (energy and healthcare) are big... I agree.
That is not inflation as a complete whole.
Energy alone is a massive whack on the economy and consumer. If you remember - when gas prices went crazy in 2007, thats when shit started hitting the fan.
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Energy alone is a massive whack on the economy and consumer. If you remember - when gas prices went crazy in 2007, thats when shit started hitting the fan.
I agree... It is a huge one... No question about it. I would love to get gas prices back down to 2004 levels. Life would be much easier.
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I agree... It is a huge one... No question about it. I would love to get gas prices back down to 2004 levels. Life would be much easier.
they wont for a while, unless they secure better contracts and better sources. However, the best way around it is fuel efficient cares, gas is a terrible energy source anyway wrt its effects after combustion, plus its gaurenteed to fail by its nature.
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they wont for a while, unless they secure better contracts and better sources. However, the best way around it is fuel efficient cares, gas is a terrible energy source anyway wrt its effects after combustion, plus its gaurenteed to fail by its nature.
Unfortunately there is no better portable power source than the internal combustion engine.
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Unfortunately there is no better portable power source than the internal combustion engine.
Oh don't worry - some magical new 'green energy" is only two years and 20 trillion of taxpayer dollars away.
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Oh don't worry - some magical new 'green energy" is only two years and 20 trillion of taxpayer dollars away.
The power source will come to market the second oil is absolutely impossible to find and there is no longer any money in it's refinement.
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because you are blaming this all on obama when the fact is bush is 90% of the blame for the direction the economy went and obamas issue is the failure to turn it around with moderate to outright failures. The economy has stabilized under him, it was worse when he initially took office do you not realize that. I wouldn't say the stim bill failed because while some parts did he did save many industries and for example college kids ability to attend school. It was meant to halt the decline in alot of areas which it did and to stimulate economic growth which it did not. Your health care system is going to crash, it has to be changed and badly. Preventative health care needs to be implemented or you will cause the fall of america in the future. It's not obamas fault alone, however, he is part of the blame.
You see i agree with you obama hasn;t done well, i just dont think he has failed at everything and i truly believe he is highly intelligent and lacks guts to do the things necessary. He has been cowardly in his policy and has given in far to much. The reason you have to trust him is that of the proposals and options his is obviously the best from an ideological standpoint and in reality, previous repubs have followed similar bipartisan plans and they are usually the best option. Just cutting spending is never a good idea, why would it be for the economy, job creation? it's not based in economics, rather politics and this is the problem.
PLEASE!!!
Obama has been a collosal FLOP, from the moment he stepped into office. As 333386 pointed out, all of those policies of his were MISERABLE FAILURES.
Did the stimulus keep unemployment under 8%? NO!! Heck, nearly all of Obama's economic geniuses have tucked their tails and quit.
Did ObamaCare lower premiums? HARDLY!! (they've gone up, by an average of around $1200.....and it's only going to get worse).
Did ObamaCare guarantee that people could keep their own doctors? NO WAY!!!
What about "Recovery Summer" last year and the 500,000 jobs per month....how'd did that go?
The "Shovel Ready projects"? Less than 8% of the stimulus actually went to that. There are projects where hardly one pebble has been moved.
"Cash-4-Clunkers"? It fell FLAT on its face.
Unemployment has been at least 9% for 26 of the 30 months he's been president.
Go back to last year. 2010 started with 9.7% unemployment and ended with 9.8% unemployment, going no lower than 9.5% (and that was ONLY because of the temporary census jobs). Of course, those are the "official" unemployment numbers which don't count those dropped from the roster, because they've stopped looking for work or have been unemployed for at least a year.
And, to top it all off, the one group that almost mindlessly supports Obama (take a wild guess as to who that is) has been crippled more than any other, by his policies.
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How about that gem Fast n Furious?
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lmfao.
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Well, according to THIS... inflation is NOT drastically higher.
I do not care what any of the politicians SAY... Here is the fucking data.
http://www.fintrend.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/CurrentInflation.asp
As a matter of fact, it even went DOWN in 2009, under Obama.
So you can say the CPI is bullshit, but it's the inflationary data that has been used for how long?
woah woah.. dont blame 3333. take that up with someone else.. he just passed it along..hahahahhhahahaha
Facts.. you talkin about facts... Facts... you kiddin me...Facts?.. dont talk about Facts...Facts??? (jim mora sr voice
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Food - higher
Energy - higher
Tuition - higher
Clothes - higher
Health Care - higher
Property taxes - higher
Commodities - higher
Tell me which one of those most people don't use.
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What does raw data say...
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Where is Obama's plan?
Funny - even Carney can't say!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/07/27/krauthammer_obama_threw_a_tantrum.html
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Food - higher
Energy - higher
Tuition - higher
Clothes - higher
Health Care - higher
Property taxes - higher
Commodities - higher
Tell me which one of those most people don't use.
Again, inflation grew more in 2005 and 2006, then at any time under Obama.
You know I am no shill... I think he should raise the debt ceiling and then cut spending and put that in a plan. However, I also believe that the actual numbers of inflation are not worse for him than they were under the previous administration.
The numbers show that.
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And I keep saying, lets say for the 100th time, we are living through GWB's 3rd term.
Obama REAPPOINTED Bernake.
what does that tell you?
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And I keep saying, lets say for the 100th time, we are living through GWB's 3rd term.
Obama REAPPOINTED Bernake.
what does that tell you?
And I think that was TERRIBLE!
I was extremely disappointed when I saw that.
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And I think that was TERRIBLE!
I was extremely disappointed when I saw that.
It shows you obama is pursuing the same inflationary policies as Bush
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And I keep saying, lets say for the 100th time, we are living through GWB's 3rd term.
Obama REAPPOINTED Bernake.
what does that tell you?
You said GWB did fine though
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You said GWB did fine though
Show me one post saying that. Even one you Hope & Change fool.
I said many times - Bushes' first time was ok by me short of the illegal alien bs.
His second term was a disaster but for Roberts and Alito.
Show me one post out of every post ever saying different?
Go ahead Obamabot.
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Show me one post saying that. Even one you Hope & Change fool.
I said many times - Bushes' first time was ok by me short of the illegal alien bs.
His second term was a disaster but for Roberts and Alito.
Show me one post out of every post ever saying different?
Go ahead Obamabot.
Bush was ok for most of his term. The last two years were disastrous. He mailed it in completely.
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And? I said his first term was ok - check
Second term was a mess - check?
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Almost all of the bad shit he did was the last two years.
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And? I said his first term was ok - check
Second term was a mess - check?
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Almost all of the bad shit he did was the last two years.
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LMAO.. Alright..
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LMAO.. Alright..
If thats the best you can do - well - you got nothing whatsoever.
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Alright you great morpher you
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you said that the MAJORITY of GWB's term was good
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you said that the MAJORITY of GWB's term was good
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I agree with that. His first term was fine. He got reelected - tried amnesty for illegals and harriet meirs, than lost congress and totally screwed up the last two years which were horrible.
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I agree with that. His first term was fine. He got reelected - tried amnesty for illegals and harriet meirs, than lost congress and totally screwed up the last two years which were horrible.
I'd say from 2000 to 2006/early 2007, things were pretty good (except for 9/11, of course).
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I agree with that. His first term was fine. He got reelected - tried amnesty for illegals and harriet meirs, than lost congress and totally screwed up the last two years which were horrible.
Hey if thats what you think.. thats you
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Hey if thats what you think.. thats you
NO - THATS MOST PEOPLE.
Get with the program.
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NO - THATS MOST PEOPLE.
Get with the program.
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Bush won releection by over 50% so most people felt his first term was ok enough to re-elect him.
He left in 2008 with horrible numbers.
Again - get with the program. Turn off MSNBC and the far leftist disinfo and educate yourself.
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Bush won releection by over 50% so most people felt his first term was ok enough to re-elect him.
He left in 2008 with horrible numbers.
Again - get with the program. Turn off MSNBC and the far leftist disinfo and educate yourself.
Was it that or was it just a good campaign saying "im the only one to keep you safe from al kay da!!!! let me see these wars through"
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Was it that or was it just a good campaign saying "im the only one to keep you safe from al kay da!!!! let me see these wars through"
No, the economy was doing fine at the time, and people felt that Bush was better than F'n Kerry to deal w shit.
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Was it that or was it just a good campaign saying "im the only one to keep you safe from al kay da!!!! let me see these wars through"
He also ran on the Anti-gay thing.
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He also ran on the Anti-gay thing.
true - most people dont agree with the homo agenda. Black and white alike.
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true - most people dont agree with the homo agenda. Black and white alike.
That had a lot to do with it I think... My mother voted for Bush in the 2nd term because of his Anti-Gay and Pro-Christian stance.
I didn't agree, but it was her vote, not mine... More people thought like she did at the time.