Obama just shit on the GOP

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over 70% of the country shun the GOP for the way they are doing this, even english politicians are worried about right wing nuts.

watch Obamas speech in comparison to bohners, its ridiculous, the GOP flat out lies and it is clear they will not tax the richest 2% percent for some reason, this reason is some odd economic theory of job creation that clearly doesn't work. Obama even mentions himself as those who dont need the extra dough and should pay more taxes, how can you say he is doing what is in his interest. He envokes reagan to support his so call far left agenda. Wake up, Obama took office in perhaps the toughest period in modern history, a failed war, a declining economy and the rise of right wing nuts like the tea party. He has done a shit to moderate job, way to right winged in his approach, keeping ridiculous tax cuts and staying at war.

as a rational human how can you be opposed to his proposal, its FAIR.

also, note how many times bohner flat out lies, just outright lies and speaks as if he is talking to 10 year old children. Its very odd.

clinton left a surplus bush racked up near record debt,started futile wars and was a huge part in creating the biggest inequality in US economy ever seen, EVER SEEN while you guys suffer 9% unemployment.

what argument against a balanced approach could you offer that is steeped in reality?

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http://thinkprogress.org/health/2011/07/26/279008/john-boehner-debt-plan-poverty/

    – As a result, virtually all of that $1.8 trillion would come from entitlement programs. They would have to be cut more than $1.5 trillion in order to produce sufficient interest savings to achieve $1.8 trillion in total savings.

    – To secure $1.5 trillion in entitlement savings over the next ten years would require draconian policy changes. Policymakers would essentially have three choices: 1) cut Social Security and Medicare benefits heavily for current retirees, something that all budget plans from both parties (including House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan’s plan) have ruled out; 2) repeal the Affordable Care Act’s coverage expansions while retaining its measures that cut Medicare payments and raise tax revenues, even though Republicans seek to repeal many of those measures as well; or 3) eviscerate the safety net for low-income children, parents, senior citizens, and people with disabilities. There is no other plausible way to get $1.5 trillion in entitlement cuts in the next ten years. [...]

    In short, the Boehner plan would force policymakers to choose among cutting the incomes and health benefits of ordinary retirees, repealing the guts of health reform and leaving an estimated 34 million more Americans uninsured, and savaging the safety net for the poor. It would do so even as it shielded all tax breaks, including the many lucrative tax breaks for the wealthiest and most powerful individuals and corporations.

why arent you guys out there with pitchforks demanding the government stop the rape of the regular joe? what is going on that you are that brainwashed. I sincerely hope this gets resolved as it will have a huge impact on global economics.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/07/real-talk-the-gops-debt-ceiling-stance-is-economic-nonsense/242536/

what economic principles are you supporting? it has no basis in current economic theory, do some classes in buisness, it is not even in line with basic premises.

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http://www.countercurrents.org/bailout240711.htm

raping you from the inside out, jesus.

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Yeah, lets follow more failed obama policies. 

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Yeah, lets follow more failed obama policies. 

you clown, that graph shows the whole story. You ignore the lies told right there by bohner, while you hold the world hostage. You are so entrenched in the two party system you cant think rationally. Obamas speech gained him nothing, he was honest and was willing to admit fault, he spoke personally and told the people to decide, which they did in a record number of calls and emails. While bohner blamed everything on obamas spending, much of which was bailouts, help for student and a shit health plan that is doomed to fail. It is truly a terrible system.

It is people like you who have gotten this issue to the point of affecting the world. You will support repubs no matter what. Do you hear i think over and over obama has doen a shit job, he has not be left at all, his policies and continued support of repub principles elucidate this. You however, will never admit that the GOP are handling this terribly and are not looking out for you, why do you gain from there proposal? Nothing.

clinton left a surplus, bush raped the fuck out of it, and racked up record deficeit. Obama used a stimulus package that kept the economy afloat, that is health care and bailouts but did nothing long term, it sucked.

you have a chance to either fuck up the world here, or make a huge difference, dont let this two party right or wrong view fuck it up.

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lmfao.


WWW.USDEBTCLOCK.ORG

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lmfao.


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that's your responce 

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lmfao.


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Ok i see it, what do you want me to specifically look at? How is this in anyway a rational retort?

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Your posting and thread is so comical, I really dont know where to start.  Full of cliche and bs. 

Obama has failed. 

His policies have made things drastically worse on all fronts.   

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Your posting and thread is so comical, I really dont know where to start.  Full of cliche and bs. 

Obama has failed. 

His policies have made things drastically worse on all fronts.   

Ok, where did i debate his job so far? The GOP have done nothing beneficial as well, i just dont care about that shit, its the oppurtunity you guys have to either play polictics and fuck the world or change for the better.

You keep spouting right or left propaganda, why i dont know.

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They were elected to stop obama.

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They were elected to stop obama.

ok and now they have over a 70% disapproval rating, so are they doing a good job? sounds like both are doing shit to me.

you keep deflecting the argument, changing topics.  You answer no questions, and respond to any criticism of your party by not admitting fault but blaming obama. open your eyes.

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Let me ask you something.  Why should anyone trust another obama scheme when every single other thing he has passed has not nearly or even remotely panned out as promised? 

3rd time a charm?   hhhmmmm? ? ?  ?


Stim Bill failed

ObamaCare failed 

His energy policies have failed 

Inflation is drastically higher 

Jobless rate is drastically higher 

Food Stamps usage is 43% higher in two years alone. 

Misery Index beats carter era levels 

Weekly jobless claims are a disaster. 



Tell me one reason we should follow this pice of marxist trash in light of the fact that everything else he has touched has failed? 

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Let me ask you something.  Why should anyone trust another obama scheme when every single other thing he has passed has not nearly or even remotely panned out as promised? 

3rd time a charm?   hhhmmmm? ? ?  ?


Stim Bill failed

ObamaCare failed 

His energy policies have failed 

Inflation is drastically higher 

Jobless rate is drastically higher 

Food Stamps usage is 43% higher in two years alone. 

Misery Index beats carter era levels 

Weekly jobless claims are a disaster. 



Tell me one reason we should follow this pice of marxist trash in light of the fact that everything else he has touched has failed? 

because you are blaming this all on obama when the fact is bush is 90% of the blame for the direction the economy went and obamas issue is the failure to turn it around with moderate to outright failures. The economy has stabilized under him, it was worse when he initially took office do you not realize that. I wouldn't say the stim bill failed because while some parts did he did save many industries and for example college kids ability to attend school. It was meant to halt the decline in alot of areas which it did and to stimulate economic growth which it did not. Your health care system is going to crash, it has to be changed and badly. Preventative health care needs to be implemented or you will cause the fall of america in the future. It's not obamas fault alone, however, he is part of the blame.

You see i agree with you obama hasn;t done well, i just dont think he has failed at everything and i truly believe he is highly intelligent and lacks guts to do the things necessary. He has been cowardly in his policy and has given in far to much. The reason you have to trust him is that of the proposals and options his is obviously the best from an ideological standpoint and in reality, previous repubs have followed similar bipartisan plans and they are usually the best option. Just cutting spending is never a good idea, why would it be for the economy, job creation? it's not based in economics, rather politics and this is the problem.

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Obama was elected to correct the mistakes of Bush.   What we are living through is GWB's 3rd term.   

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Obama was elected to correct the mistakes of Bush.   What we are living through is GWB's 3rd term.   

sure ill grant you that although i do think he has done a better job then bush and while its useless i see him having much more potential because of his intelligence. However, potential at the end of 4 years probably equates that this is what he will be.

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sure ill grant you that although i do think he has done a better job then bush and while its useless i see him having much more potential because of his intelligence. However, potential at the end of 4 years probably equates that this is what he will be.

Bush is roundly considered one of the worst presidents ever.   The fact that obama is being compared to bush, even remotely, speaks volumes. 

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Let me ask you something.  Why should anyone trust another obama scheme when every single other thing he has passed has not nearly or even remotely panned out as promised? 

3rd time a charm?   hhhmmmm? ? ?  ?



Inflation is drastically higher 
 

Inflation is NOT drastically higher...

I showed you that yesterday, you know this.

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Inflation is NOT drastically higher...

I showed you that yesterday, you know this.

Bro - you are dead wrong on that.   The CPI used by the FEd is pure bullshit. 

Even on July 4, all stories said that inflation is at 26%.   Ron Paul said its at least 10%. 

Gas is higher, health care is higher, food is higher, commodities are higher. 

Dollar has lost a ton of value as well. 

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Bro - you are dead wrong on that.   The CPI used by the FEd is pure bullshit.  

Even on July 4, all stories said that inflation is at 26%.   Ron Paul said its at least 10%.  

Gas is higher, health care is higher, food is higher, commodities are higher.  

Dollar has lost a ton of value as well.  

Well, according to THIS... inflation is NOT drastically higher.

I do not care what any of the politicians SAY... Here is the fucking data.

http://www.fintrend.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/CurrentInflation.asp

As a matter of fact, it even went DOWN in 2009, under Obama.

So you can say the CPI is bullshit, but it's the inflationary data that has been used for how long?

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Bush is roundly considered one of the worst presidents ever.   The fact that obama is being compared to bush, even remotely, speaks volumes. 

it is different no? bush took office during a great time, clinton did a good job and he wrecked everything pretty much. Obama takes office during one of the most difficult times and actually kept it afloat. His stim package wasn't as bad as you claim, the data is out there, parts of it helped immensely,parts of it failed hard.

i doubt anyone could stop the bush era rape in four years, especially with the decision to keep the wars going which is stupid but i understand the patriots love it. get dem invisible terrorists.

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Well, according to THIS... inflation is NOT drastically higher.

I do not care what any of the politicians SAY... Here is the fucking data.

http://www.fintrend.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/CurrentInflation.asp

As a matter of fact, it even went DOWN in 2009, under Obama.

So you can say the CPI is bullshit, but it's the inflationary data that has been used for how long?

no dude ron paul says thats not true, he has magical data that is better. Facts lie apparently.

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Well, according to THIS... inflation is NOT drastically higher.

I do not care what any of the politicians SAY... Here is the fucking data.

http://www.fintrend.com/inflation/Inflation_Rate/CurrentInflation.asp

As a matter of fact, it even went DOWN in 2009, under Obama.

So you can say the CPI is bullshit, but it's the inflationary data that has been used for how long?

The CPI does not include food and energy, two things most working people spend a ton on.   come on, stop being so blind on this inflation issue. 

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The CPI does not include food and energy, two things most working people spend a ton on.   come on, stop being so blind on this inflation issue. 

I'm not the one being blind... I'm giving you the data.

You are now saying the data is invalid.

Come on man... You hate Obama I get it, but don't be ignorant to the stuff staring you in the face. That mentality is why I can't get on the Tea Party band wagon.

You are so angry with the black man that you can't stand any notion that it ain't all HIS fault.