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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: BFG on August 21, 2011, 06:55:44 AM
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The following are the exact dosages of an offseason blast of a current top pro. Hope this puts in perspective the BS pro cycles that get posted every now and then.
Weeks 1-12
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100mg injectable dbol ed (first 8 weeks)
100mg TNE ed
500mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
200mg test prop ed
200mg NPP ed
25iu humalog before meals and before training
20iu gh injected iv immediately post workout 3x per week, 10iu gh injected IM 2x per week (other 2 training days), 10iu split dose into 5am 5 mid day injected subq on off days
Weeks 13-24
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100mg TNE ed
750mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
300mg test prop ed
200mg tren ace ed
25iu humalog before meals, 35iu before training
30iu gh injected iv post workout on all training days, 15iu subq on off days split dose 5am/5 mid day/5 evening
Weeks 25-34
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200mg injectable anadrol ed
150mg TNE ed
1,000mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
400mg test prop ed
25iu humalog before meals, 40iu before training
35iu injected iv everyday in one shot
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Gh iv? Interesting...
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ahahaha
dead by 50
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Hmmm ... well, you certainly got my attention, BFG ! Welcome to the board, btw. :)
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Are those per-day? Like Weeks 25-34 are 16.45 grams a week of anabolics?
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Are those per-day? Like Weeks 25-34 are 16.45 grams a week of anabolics?
Read it again, my friend. BFG tells you when each drug is injected ( I.e - ed, eod, etc. ).
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Gh iv? Interesting...
Haven't heard of this? It's been done by guys for quite some time. Iv has the highest rate of absorption into the blood, IM being second and Sub-q being the worst.
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Haven't heard of this? It's been done by guys for quite some time. Iv has the highest rate of absorption into the blood, IM being second and Sub-q being the worst.
I read Dorian used to do iv gh shots but I think i'll stick to IM
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So what's the difference between this and gh15's examples? Not a whole lot. Same exact products... this looks maybe a little heavier.
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Sounds about right.
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when really bulking up in the offseason, gh is injected in one big shot immediately post training and not split up throughout the day. furthermore, route of administration as well as dosage is staggered throughout the week. this is to mimick the pubertal release of gh which is pulsed and not steadily released in the same doses every day at regular intervals.
insulin is always used pre workout, timed accordingly so that training occurs during the peak. this particular bodybuilder whose cycle i posted prefers humalog but i know quite a few pros who like to use humulin r pre workout and train about 2 hours post sub q injection as the 30-60 minute onset allows them to get in one more carb meal prior to training rather than pounding dextrose as you enter the gym which is required with preworkout humalog.
testosterone and equipoise are the base year round, doses are lowered and sometimes eq is switched to deca when it is time to "cruise." When blasting, test and eq are raised while adding in other anabolics. NPP is usually switched with tren every 10-16 weeks, same with dianabol and anadrol.
the pro whose cycle this belongs to follows the "FST-7" training protocol of site enhancement so a large portion of the gear is injected into the muscle to be trained that day and mixed with a large volume of sterile oil. In combination with the massive pumps that training during an insulin peak (while consuming hundreds of grams of dextrose), the hope is for muscle fascia stretching.
IGF-1 DES is used in cycles, it is injected bilterally in the muscles trained that day.
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How do they manage their hematocrit?
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Good to see you back BFG. Thanks. Good shit.
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A "sport" of peace....
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How do they manage their hematocrit?
Most dont.
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If people still don't realize this is fucking insane to do to your own body you deserve this "sport"
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Whats TNE? Test no ether?
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there goes all 6 feet of Bob next to the mighty 5'9 palumbo....
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Most dont.
So they are actually quite lucky not to be dropping dead collectively, since blood thickening is probably the most dangerous (acute) side effect of steroid use?
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when really bulking up in the offseason, gh is injected in one big shot immediately post training and not split up throughout the day. furthermore, route of administration as well as dosage is staggered throughout the week. this is to mimick the pubertal release of gh which is pulsed and not steadily released in the same doses every day at regular intervals.
insulin is always used pre workout, timed accordingly so that training occurs during the peak. this particular bodybuilder whose cycle i posted prefers humalog but i know quite a few pros who like to use humulin r pre workout and train about 2 hours post sub q injection as the 30-60 minute onset allows them to get in one more carb meal prior to training rather than pounding dextrose as you enter the gym which is required with preworkout humalog.
testosterone and equipoise are the base year round, doses are lowered and sometimes eq is switched to deca when it is time to "cruise." When blasting, test and eq are raised while adding in other anabolics. NPP is usually switched with tren every 10-16 weeks, same with dianabol and anadrol.
the pro whose cycle this belongs to follows the "FST-7" training protocol of site enhancement so a large portion of the gear is injected into the muscle to be trained that day and mixed with a large volume of sterile oil. In combination with the massive pumps that training during an insulin peak (while consuming hundreds of grams of dextrose), the hope is for muscle fascia stretching.
IGF-1 DES is used in cycles, it is injected bilterally in the muscles trained that day.
VERY, VERY informative. Thank you. I'm, quite simply, stunned at some of the info here. Then again, I am a newbie in regards to the drug side of bb'ing.
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VERY, VERY informative. Thank you. I'm, quite simply, stunned at some of the info here. Then again, I am a newbie in regards to the drug side of bb'ing.
bullshit, you've been here for 8 years and you don't know much about the drug side of bodybuilding?
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VERY, VERY informative. Thank you. I'm, quite simply, stunned at some of the info here. Then again, I am a newbie in regards to the drug side of bb'ing.
There is another side of bbing? ???
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TNE = test no ester aka test base. pinned 2 hours pre workout with injectable dbol and/or abombs
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Why injectable dbol and abombs? Bypass liver?
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forget about the health risks, the amount of hustling and risk taken to obtain those things on a regular enough basis sounds likes more hassle than its worth!!! what a pain in the ass!
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lol what a fucking joke of a "sport"...seriously, how can someone afford those products and at those dosages.
WTF...All that is required is MONEY. You got money = you become a "pro" ::). "genetics"..."talent".."hard work"...my ass. ::)
BFG, whats the approximate amount of money spent over a year on "suppplements"?
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bullshit, you've been here for 8 years and you don't know much about the drug side of bodybuilding?
What the fuck did I just say ??? I didn't stutter ! I've never been interested in the " darker " side of bb'ing up until recently. And, unlike some of you, I've taken breaks from this forum throughout those 8 years. The last one was for approx. a year. Hell, look at my post count for christ sake ! LOLOLOL !! That says it all !
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Why injectable dbol and abombs? Bypass liver?
injectable dbol and anadrol are still liver toxic. some may argue they are actually more liver toxic. legit injectable abombs/dbol are superior in effects to their oral counterparts.
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lol what a fucking joke of a "sport"...seriously, how can someone afford those products and at those dosages.
WTF...All that is required is MONEY. You got money = you become a "pro" ::). "genetics"..."talent".."hard work"...my ass. ::)
BFG, whats the approximate amount of money spent over a year on "suppplements"?
less money than you would think. most top guys do not pay for their gear, they are well connected with private labs and suppliers. the biggest expense is gh, but nobody with brains buys one or two kits at a time...more like 5-10 pallets at a time. its hard to toss a number out there because there is so much variability...at the very top, guys basically dont pay for anything except their "guru"/coach/nutritionist and a few necessary kickbacks to keep the supplies rolling in and at the bottom, guys have to pay for everything which is why they become drug dealers, strippers, etc.
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Must be nice but fuck me, thats alot shit...GH15 is correct, drug addicts... :-X
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Is say this is Phil or kai's cycle. Crazy drug Abuse.
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He said FST 7. Thats ramrods boys. So Fridge, Philsulin or other top pros he has.
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The sad thing is prolly the amount of amateurs you'd never know from looking who are on that much too...
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when really bulking up in the offseason, gh is injected in one big shot immediately post training and not split up throughout the day. furthermore, route of administration as well as dosage is staggered throughout the week. this is to mimick the pubertal release of gh which is pulsed and not steadily released in the same doses every day at regular intervals.
regarding this method of HGH administration...
you're saying the whole dose goes in in ONE inject, 1x a day?
so over 5 days, 3 of those days are a single inject of 20iu and 2 other of those days are a single inject of 10iu?
now i understand mimicing our GH release as we grew through puberty with the changing of doses, but isnt the whole thing in ONE go seen as a waste when you could be having that one dose spread into say 5 doses over the course of a day mimicing MANY pulses of gh in a day rather than one big one?
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Read it again, my friend. BFG tells you when each drug is injected ( I.e - ed, eod, etc. ).
Ah I see (every day, every other day).
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less money than you would think. most top guys do not pay for their gear, they are well connected with private labs and suppliers. the biggest expense is gh, but nobody with brains buys one or two kits at a time...more like 5-10 pallets at a time. its hard to toss a number out there because there is so much variability...at the very top, guys basically dont pay for anything except their "guru"/coach/nutritionist and a few necessary kickbacks to keep the supplies rolling in and at the bottom, guys have to pay for everything which is why they become drug dealers, strippers, etc.
Who then pays for it?
How long did Cutler have to pay for his gear himself? ;D
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regarding this method of HGH administration...
you're saying the whole dose goes in in ONE inject, 1x a day?
so over 5 days, 3 of those days are a single inject of 20iu and 2 other of those days are a single inject of 10iu?
now i understand mimicing our GH release as we grew through puberty with the changing of doses, but isnt the whole thing in ONE go seen as a waste when you could be having that one dose spread into say 5 doses over the course of a day mimicing MANY pulses of gh in a day rather than one big one?
spreading the dosage out over the day is better for fat loss. if you break 20iu's into four 5iu shots you will never get the benefit of that huge peak of gh because of its short half life. blast the full 20iu post workout, which is the most important time of anabolism for the body for mass.
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Who then pays for it?
How long did Cutler have to pay for his gear himself? ;D
Cutler did not pay for his gear for long. Chris Aceto helped him out, can you guess how he paid him?
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Cutler did not pay for his gear for long. Chris Aceto helped him out, can you guess how he paid him?
I'm hoping via Muscletech but I'm afraid that's not what you mean :-X
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Cutler did not pay for his gear for long. Chris Aceto helped him out, can you guess how he paid him?
But Aceto was married to Laura? :'(
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I'm likin' this BFG character more and more. He / she pulls NO punches. That's the way we like here in the Thunderdome. 8)
I hope your stay here is long. :)
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BFG could you explain how Phil Heath can pull SEO so well in the arms compared to the other competitors ?
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BFG could you explain how Phil Heath can pull SEO so well in the arms compared to the other competitors ?
his arms dont look like that entirely because of site enhancement oil. its his genetics. same reason that his chest sucks. genetics. obviously he uses SEO's, everyone does - but he doesnt have huge arms and a tiny chest because hes able to "pull SEO so well."
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spreading the dosage out over the day is better for fat loss. if you break 20iu's into four 5iu shots you will never get the benefit of that huge peak of gh because of its short half life. blast the full 20iu post workout, which is the most important time of anabolism for the body for mass.
Thanks for the reply. So all that matters for growth is that time straight after a workout.
Interesting.
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Cutler did not pay for his gear for long. Chris Aceto helped him out, can you guess how he paid him?
Wait, what's the deal with this? I'm slow today and the answer that first pops into mind just doesn't fit with Jay's character...
Spell it out for me.
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BFG have your pro friend try this instead. simpler, easier, better results. tbombz guaranteed.
Weeks 1-12
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400mg TNE ed
400mg NPP ed
25iu humalog before training + 150iu lantus in the morning
40iu gh
Weeks 13-24
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400mg TNE ed
400mg tren ace ed
25iu humalog before training + 150iu lantus in the morning
40iu gh
Weeks 25-34
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400mg tren ace ed
400mg TNE ed
400mg NPP ed
50iu humalog before training + 200iu lantus in the morning
40iu GH
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BFG have your pro friend try this instead. simpler, easier, better results. tbombz guaranteed.
hahahahahahahaha! Who the fuck do you think you are kid? You're recommending cycles for pros now? So we have a sexual deviant, rec drug addict, morals free, 21 year old kid with no education giving PED advice for pros....Only on Getbig... You're one of a kind Taylor...
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Thanks for the reply. So all that matters for growth is that time straight after a workout.
Interesting.
no. growth hormone is still valuable when utilized throughout the day. think about it this way: in the offseason, as a competitive bodybuilder your goal is to gain as much size as possible. how do you do that? lift weights. what is the most important time of anabolism leading to muscle gain? post workout when you are shuttling nutrients to your damaged muscle fibers (this is especially important when you are training during an insulin peak, less so if you are natural or just on gear). so if your #1 concern is gaining mass you should optimize that post workout nutrient shuttling by massively spiking growth hormone levels with the most immediate route of administration (iv). the human body best responds to "pulsing" or irregular gh levels since that is the natural growth protocol induced during puberty so the best results can be seen by staggering very high doses with moderate doses. When you are in contest prep, as a competitive bodybuilder what is your #1 concern? getting ripped and maintaining as much muscle as possible. That is when the gh dose should be split and injected sub-q throughout the day (with the exception of still one post workout iv shot) for a steady, longer acting release of gh into the bloodstream which will assist in fat loss and maintaining muscle mass in a caloric deficitcit.
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You're one of a kind Taylor...
i most definitely am.
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hahahahahahahaha! Who the fuck do you think you are kid? You're recommending cycles for pros now? So we have a sexual deviant, rec drug addict, morals free, 21 year old kid with no education giving PED advice for pros....Only on Getbig... You're one of a kind Taylor...
I'm inclined to agree. I like Tbombz, but this is pretty disrespectful, in my opinion. We have BFG takin' the time to share with us a Pro Cycle ... and then comes along Tbombz puttin' in his two cents as to how the cycle could be " better ". You gotta to be fuckin' kiddin' me. Intelligence he may have ... but respect, clearly, he does not possess. Sad, really. :/
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no. growth hormone is still valuable when utilized throughout the day. think about it this way: in the offseason, as a competitive bodybuilder your goal is to gain as much size as possible. how do you do that? lift weights. what is the most important time of anabolism leading to muscle gain? post workout when you are shuttling nutrients to your damaged muscle fibers (this is especially important when you are training during an insulin peak, less so if you are natural or just on gear). so if your #1 concern is gaining mass you should optimize that post workout nutrient shuttling by massively spiking growth hormone levels with the most immediate route of administration (iv). the human body best responds to "pulsing" or irregular gh levels since that is the natural growth protocol induced during puberty so the best results can be seen by staggering very high doses with moderate doses. When you are in contest prep, as a competitive bodybuilder what is your #1 concern? getting ripped and maintaining as much muscle as possible. That is when the gh dose should be split and injected sub-q throughout the day (with the exception of still one post workout iv shot) for a steady, longer acting release of gh into the bloodstream which will assist in fat loss and maintaining muscle mass in a caloric deficitcit.
thats a bunch of bro science bfg, but if you find bette results with that moethod, by all means continue. might i advise checking out the simpler stack i recommended above. and also, if you really want the GH to hit you post workout, inject it pre workout. it takes time to absorb.
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thats a bunch of bro science bfg, but if you find bette results with that moethod, by all means continue. might i advise checking out the simpler stack i recommended above. and also, if you really want the GH to hit you post workout, inject it pre workout. it takes time to absorb.
LOL, please stop.
You did read the part about IV administration? Do you know how rapid that is?
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injectable dbol and anadrol are still liver toxic. some may argue they are actually more liver toxic. legit injectable abombs/dbol are superior in effects to their oral counterparts.
Seem to know your shit on this. What would you say to sides on injectable/oral dbol?
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LOL, please stop.
You did read the part about IV administration? Do you know how rapid that is?
EXACTLY. Tbombz, please leave this thread, man. We're here to listen to what BFG has to say. You got your own thread, anyways. The nacho one or somethin' like that. Please don't ruin this one.
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I will chime in, I do find better results when I shoot my gh before training as opposed to after training, BUT I do IM not intra veinous
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if only i had 6000ius of gh i would give your cycle a go tbombz lol my opinion is the 400mg a day tren ace if it was quality would amost make you stark raving mad but what the hell i bet you would get some good gains from that cycle tren in that dosage would get expensive to $100 bucks a week almost
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This type of cycling will lead most into narcotic use as well. You're either too lethargic to function without help or too hyper to sleep without help. And always in pain. :D
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Dear bfg, could you please explain why some people say to take dbol 5-6 times a day evenly spaced because of the short half life, while yet others say to inject a lo tof it at once? What is truly the best way to take dbol, at once or many times a day, thanks
ps clean up ur forum lol
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I'm likin' this BFG character more and more. He / she pulls NO punches. That's the way we like here in the Thunderdome. 8)
I hope your stay here is long. :)
Yes long live BFG.
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Dear bfg, could you please explain why some people say to take dbol 5-6 times a day evenly spaced because of the short half life, while yet others say to inject a lo tof it at once? What is truly the best way to take dbol, at once or many times a day, thanks
ps clean up ur forum lol
It will not absorb all at once. All of it wont even be gone in a full day.
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I kind of suspected this, so your saying I shoulnd't worry about taking dbol throughout the day, can I just pop 30 mgs of it at once and not worry? Will this cause excess water retention like taking big doses of hgh or test does, or is the extra water retention a sign of extra benedfit, meaning it's over all more beneficial? thx
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I kind of suspected this, so your saying I shoulnd't worry about taking dbol throughout the day, can I just pop 30 mgs of it at once and not worry? Will this cause excess water retention like taking big doses of hgh or test does, or is the extra water retention a sign of extra benedfit, meaning it's over all more beneficial? thx
I meant when injected. The stuff will crystallize at the site to a degree, plus it's suspended in oil so it'll take a while for all of it to absorb.
You can take all your dbol all at once and the result wont be that much different from spreading it out, though I think spreading it is slightly better, especially if you only take dbol (but who does these days).
The resulting anabolism extends beyond the drop in blood levels as it will activate genes etc that set an anabolic process in motion.
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spreading the dosage out over the day is better for fat loss. if you break 20iu's into four 5iu shots you will never get the benefit of that huge peak of gh because of its short half life. blast the full 20iu post workout, which is the most important time of anabolism for the body for mass.
Agreed
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thats a bunch of bro science bfg, but if you find bette results with that moethod, by all means continue. might i advise checking out the simpler stack i recommended above. and also, if you really want the GH to hit you post workout, inject it pre workout. it takes time to absorb.
"if you really want the GH to hit you post workout, inject it pre workout. it takes time to absorb."...True if your injecting IM or Sub q, but if you inject IV it's almost immediate.
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So what's the difference between this and gh15's examples? Not a whole lot. Same exact products... this looks maybe a little heavier.
this looks much more complicated tho
looks like it was written by some bullshit guru 8)
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this looks much more complicated tho
looks like it was written by some bullshit guru 8)
BFG is a legit broskie....you need to seriously uo the dosage Sev....not to those levels but yiu get the point.
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BFG is a legit broskie....you need to seriously uo the dosage Sev....not to those levels but yiu get the point.
I know, priority is my new job right now so for the next 6 months to a year if I have to relocate
after that I will be set for life with enough money to run high doses of everything and get up to a nice 280 lbs off-season 8)
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I know, priority is my new job right now so for the next 6 months to a year if I have to relocate
after that I will be set for life with enough money to run high doses of everything and get up to a nice 280 lbs off-season 8)
8)
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How long have you been juicing, Stavios?
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Cutler did not pay for his gear for long. Chris Aceto helped him out, can you guess how he paid him?
HIS WIFE?
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How long have you been juicing, Stavios?
a while
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Shows gh15 is more old school the guys now are shutting down there veins with this shit. Cycle is quite different from how he does it.
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The following are the exact dosages of an offseason blast of a current top pro.
GEARGASM
Shit, here's me wasting time worrying about upping my test and deca a bit, or running a bit of dbol again after only 10 weeks off it... :(
But hey, good ol' deca and dbol were good enough for the oldtimers, and those guys looked way better than today's lot. Fuck your gearpocalypse, I wouldn't do it even if I could afford it. No wonder Cutler can't do a pullup.
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Shit, here's me wasting time worrying about upping my test and deca a bit, or running a bit of dbol again after only 10 weeks off it... :(
But hey, good ol' deca and dbol were good enough for the oldtimers, and those guys looked way better than today's lot. Fuck your gearpocalypse, I wouldn't do it even if I could afford it. No wonder Cutler can't do a pullup.
Why are mad at him? Hes delivering the truth.
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when really bulking up in the offseason, gh is injected in one big shot immediately post training and not split up throughout the day. furthermore, route of administration as well as dosage is staggered throughout the week. this is to mimick the pubertal release of gh which is pulsed and not steadily released in the same doses every day at regular intervals.
insulin is always used pre workout, timed accordingly so that training occurs during the peak. this particular bodybuilder whose cycle i posted prefers humalog but i know quite a few pros who like to use humulin r pre workout and train about 2 hours post sub q injection as the 30-60 minute onset allows them to get in one more carb meal prior to training rather than pounding dextrose as you enter the gym which is required with preworkout humalog.
testosterone and equipoise are the base year round, doses are lowered and sometimes eq is switched to deca when it is time to "cruise." When blasting, test and eq are raised while adding in other anabolics. NPP is usually switched with tren every 10-16 weeks, same with dianabol and anadrol.
the pro whose cycle this belongs to follows the "FST-7" training protocol of site enhancement so a large portion of the gear is injected into the muscle to be trained that day and mixed with a large volume of sterile oil. In combination with the massive pumps that training during an insulin peak (while consuming hundreds of grams of dextrose), the hope is for muscle fascia stretching.
IGF-1 DES is used in cycles, it is injected bilterally in the muscles trained that day.
No they dont and Im not impressed. Look I've talked to numerous guys about this, and I really dont know where it came from probably that Gavin Kane leunatic. Do you think pros are lollygagging around trying to mimiick what happened to their body during puberty? ::) If you really think that you going from a 130 pound 14 year old to 160 pound 18 year old adult was all because of a few gh spurts you are highly mistaken. Do you really think dorian...DORIAN the bahamoth, would of been the size he was if it were not for the massive amounts of sereostim he used each day? Something to keep in mind is AIDS patients. Many of them are given 18 iu a day just to stay alive and end up looking like semi muscular fellas in the process. Now how can you justify that ed shots are a waste? I would be willing to bet good money if I asked gh15 right now, he would say the gh was always there every 4 hours on the clock every day. At least thats what every good bodybuilder I know does :D
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in before BFG posts that study about a group of 11 year olds suffering from pituitary dwarfism who grew faster from eod shots lol
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No they dont and Im not impressed. Look I've talked to numerous guys about this, and I really dont know where it came from probably that Gavin Kane leunatic. Do you think pros are lollygagging around trying to mimiick what happened to their body during puberty? ::) If you really think that you going from a 130 pound 14 year old to 160 pound 18 year old adult was all because of a few gh spurts you are highly mistaken. Do you really think dorian...DORIAN the bahamoth, would of been the size he was if it were not for the massive amounts of sereostim he used each day? Something to keep in mind is AIDS patients. Many of them are given 18 iu a day just to stay alive and end up looking like semi muscular fellas in the process. Now how can you justify that ed shots are a waste? I would be willing to bet good money if I asked gh15 right now, he would say the gh was always there every 4 hours on the clock every day. At least thats what every good bodybuilder I know does :D
please point to me where he said ed shots are a waste....dont put words in peoples mouth. BFG is real deal. Ive watchex you spreqd your venom and vitriol and about sick of you...Im going to tell you this and tell you one time. Dont fuck with me flint.
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lol what a fucking joke of a "sport"...seriously, how can someone afford those products and at those dosages.
WTF...All that is required is MONEY. You got money = you become a "pro" ::). "genetics"..."talent".."hard work"...my ass. ::)
BFG, whats the approximate amount of money spent over a year on "suppplements"?
So you dont want to try that cycle ? :D
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I meant when injected. The stuff will crystallize at the site to a degree, plus it's suspended in oil so it'll take a while for all of it to absorb.
You can take all your dbol all at once and the result wont be that much different from spreading it out, though I think spreading it is slightly better, especially if you only take dbol (but who does these days).
The resulting anabolism extends beyond the drop in blood levels as it will activate genes etc that set an anabolic process in motion.
This is how I understand it. A one time high dose of it will saturate receptors more, it will get a higher % of them, but some of the dbol wont bind to receptors cuz every receptor it tries to hit has dbol on it, so it gets eaten by your liver before it gets used. So there's diminished returns. WIth a lower dose you have greater efficiency but a small % of total receptors will have sex with the dbol. And who knows how the system works, what if there's an exponential cuve - if two receptors on the same muscle get fucked by dbol, the benefit is greater than twice that if only one receptor gets stimulated?
Here's an example. Let's say a dart board is divided into 5 x 5 sqaures, so 25 total squares. These are recepors. Now you throw a total of 20 darts at them. What you want is one dart to hit each square. You throw 5 darts at a time, 4 times. After each time you clear away some of the darts. Then you throw 20 at once. With 20 at once the chances of two hitting the same square increases. Thus it is less efficient. Am I overthinkign this or what lol
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please point to me where he said ed shots are a waste....dont put words in peoples mouth. BFG is real deal. Ive watchex you spreqd your venom and vitriol and about sick of you...Im going to tell you this and tell you one time. Dont fuck with me flint.
BFG is a gimmick.
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Why are mad at him? Hes delivering the truth.
Not mad at all, and not really doubting it's true, just seems like a hundredfold increase in gear for a worse-looking end result. Zane and his ilk are still kicking around hale and hearty 30-40 years later, not sure that'll be the case for anyone taking what the OP states.
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Why are mad at him? Hes delivering the truth.
Simple, cause knowing what this fellow is revealing is super discouraging, but that's the reality of the game, lol at the idiots that don't believe BFG, this guy is th real deal., GH15 can now pass the torch to his knew succeser BFG,lol
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Simple, cause knowing what this fellow is revealing is super discouraging, but that's the reality of the game, lol at the idiots that don't believe BFG, this guy is th real deal., GH15 can now pass the torch to his knew succeser BFG,lol
If you go through BFGs posts all 40+ of them, if youve been around bodybuilding and bodybuilders for a length of time, youll know BFG IS THE real deal. No offense to GH15 but BFG is more accurate but alot less funny.
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If you go through BFGs posts all 40+ of them, if youve been around bodybuilding and bodybuilders for a length of time, youll know BFG IS THE real deal. No offense to GH15 but BFG is more accurate but alot less funny.
QFT
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Didn't say it wasn't true. It said the cycle look like those designed by bullshit gurus like humpy rimjob
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im pretty sure some of the pros try to get real scentific but in the whole scheme i dont really no if that any better then just taking a whole bunch of shit and hoping it works fuck for christ sakes no one even knows the truley optimal amount of protien one should eat let alone optimal drug protocols gh15 is pretty simplistic and thats about how you would have to approch the problem not thinking your turning cells on and of and all kinda complex shit like that
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BFG is a gimmick.
not if its who I think it is
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He said FST 7. Thats ramrods boys. So Fridge, Philsulin or other top pros he has.
So the thought that this is just another bullshit made up cycle hasn't crossed your mind?
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not if its who I think it is
Palumbo?
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If your shooting GH in the vain so often wouldnt all these pros have ???track marks like heroin junkies
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lol what a fucking joke of a "sport"...seriously, how can someone afford those products and at those dosages.
WTF...All that is required is MONEY. You got money = you become a "pro" ::). "genetics"..."talent".."hard work"...my ass. ::)
BFG, whats the approximate amount of money spent over a year on "suppplements"?
It really isn't all that expensive as you think for these guys. Pro's get big discounts from the suppliers just so the suppliers can say they provide so and so with gear. Hell I've seen 20ml of t400 for $50 a bottle if you buy 10 or more, so I can imagine these guys getting this shit for way cheaper.
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If your shooting GH in the vain so often wouldnt all these pros have ???track marks like heroin junkies
I could be wrong but junkies, I believe use big 22g in the veins vs a 29g so no.
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It really isn't all that expensive as you think for these guys. Pro's get big discounts from the suppliers just so the suppliers can say they provide so and so with gear. Hell I've seen 20ml of t400 for $50 a bottle if you buy 10 or more, so I can imagine these guys getting this shit for way cheaper.
Ya cause all the top pros want their names being used like that ::)
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Ya cause all the top pros want their names being used like that ::)
I didn't say pros buy directly from these guys, they have "trainers" for that...
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LOL, please stop.
You did read the part about IV administration? Do you know how rapid that is?
even with IV , sure it gets into the blood instantly, but how long untill the GH is interacting with receptors, how long untill those receptors turn on genes and induce localized growth factors, how long for those to take effect on protein metabolism?
people tend to think things happen instantly in the body when in reality it doesnt work that way.
honestly, trying to "time" your drug intake is for the most part a fruitless effort. doesnt matter when you take you GH, even if it did wrk insantaneously, which it doesnt, mainly because it stays active for something like 18 hours anyways.
"shoot the GH post workout"=broscience at its best
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This type of cycling will lead most into narcotic use as well. You're either too lethargic to function without help or too hyper to sleep without help. And always in pain. :D
Why are they in pain?
Is it pain in the injection sites? Tendon/ligaments?
Do the muscles themselves also hurt?
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I'm inclined to agree. I like Tbombz, but this is pretty disrespectful, in my opinion. We have BFG takin' the time to share with us a Pro Cycle ... and then comes along Tbombz puttin' in his two cents as to how the cycle could be " better ". You gotta to be fuckin' kiddin' me. Intelligence he may have ... but respect, clearly, he does not possess. Sad, really. :/
Tbombz is spot on bro. He may very well be the most knowledgable poster on getbig. Just cause he does not look like a pro due to his mediocre response to drugs does not mean he knows less than anyone else. This will be my last post backing up tbombz as I have done it enough :D, but the only reason everyone on getbig disagrees with him is because its "Taylor". And they cant stand the fact that a 22 year old knows more than them which makes no sense to me. Maybe if they actually listened they would get somewhere instead of waiting for the next "BFG" to come along and tell them something that they will never have to concern themselves with in the first place.
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Tbombz is spot on bro. He may very well be the most knowledgable poster on getbig. Just cause he does not look like a pro due to his mediocre response to drugs does not mean he knows less than anyone else. This will be my last post backing up tbombz as I have done it enough :D, but the only reason everyone on getbig disagrees with him is because its "Taylor". And they cant stand the fact that a 22 year old knows more than them which makes no sense to me. Maybe if they actually listened they would get somewhere instead of waiting for the next "BFG" to come along and tell them something that they will never have to concern themselves with in the first place.
;D hey hey hey... i dont look like a pro cuz i havent had enough time on enough drugs.. let me get my money right and then gimme a few years asshole.. ;D
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;D hey hey hey... i dont look like a pro cuz i havent had enough time on enough drugs.. let me get my money right and then gimme a few years asshole.. ;D
I'm am going to hold you to those words ;)
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He said FST 7. Thats ramrods boys. So Fridge, Philsulin or other top pros he has.
kevin english, jason huh, and tamer el-guindy are the other notables.
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(http://hoogliart.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/pin-cusion.jpg)
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The pros just take everything that everyone else takes except more than the average juicer. They don't take more than the worst abusers among non-pros, though. I know guys who take almost a gram a day. Yes, a day. I doubt the pros take more than this. Maybe a litte more, but I doubt it. The pros are limited in taking to what is available. Every drug that is available to the pros is in the market for everyone else. It's not like the pros are in secret programs of pharmaceutical companies taking experimental drugs that no one has access to. They take steroids, GH, insulin, IGF-1, thyroid hormones, diuretics and amphetamines. That is, everything that is available to everyone else. You guys should stop being retards and think that the pros have "secret" drugs that no one else has access to.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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The pros just take everything that everyone else takes except more than the average juicer. They don't take more than the worst abusers among non-pros, though. I know guys who take almost a gram a day. Yes, a day. I doubt the pros take more than this. Maybe a litte more, but I doubt it. The pros are limited in taking to what is available. Every drug that is available to the pros is in the market for everyone else. It's not like the pros are in secret programs of pharmaceutical companies taking experimental drugs that no one has access to. They take steroids, GH, insulin, IGF-1, thyroid hormones, diuretics and amphetamines. That is, everything that is available to everyone else. You guys should stop being retards and think that the pros have "secret" drugs that no one else has access to.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
but who would want to put themselves through all those injects month after month year after year for a trophy and some chump change? Think of all the injects and scar tissue that would develop, do they want to commit a long drawn out suicide?
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Personally I dont think the choices of drugs matter that much when it comes to the steroids. Many roads lead to Rome and even gh15 has said this. The most important thing is GH and as much as you can afford. From there it doesnt matter dianaboloa TNE equipona testo deca tren whatever just take alot.
Here is example. One of the best gym bodybuilders I ever saw in my life told me he based his cycles around eq and deca. His typical bulking cycle was this.
pharma gh (wouldnt tell me dosage and i didnt want to be rude by asking, but he said use as much as you can afford )
1 gram of nandrolone
1 gram of equipona
200mg suspension every day for 4 weeks as a kickstart then oral dbol for 4 weeks. he would do this back and forth back and forth as he believed orals start makinig you go backward and hinder muscle growth after more than few weeks due to liver stress ;D (he really said that with a straight face btw)
didnt talk about insulin.
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Personally I dont think the choices of drugs matter that much when it comes to the steroids. Many roads lead to Rome and even gh15 has said this. The most important thing is GH and as much as you can afford. From there it doesnt matter dianaboloa TNE equipona testo deca tren whatever just take alot.
Here is example. One of the best gym bodybuilders I ever saw in my life told me he based his cycles around eq and deca. His typical bulking cycle was this.
pharma gh (wouldnt tell me dosage and i didnt want to be rude by asking, but he said use as much as you can afford )
1 gram of nandrolone
1 gram of equipona
200mg suspension every day for 4 weeks as a kickstart then oral dbol for 4 weeks. he would do this back and forth back and forth as he believed orals start makinig you go backward and hinder muscle growth after more than few weeks due to liver stress ;D (he really said that with a straight face btw)
didnt talk about insulin.
Thats an awesome bulking cycle, would he use any other Test after the 4 weeks of Suspension is over?
I think with orals some people lose appetite when on too much oral and dont eat like they could and that doesnt help when you are bulking
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lol what a fucking joke of a "sport"...seriously, how can someone afford those products and at those dosages.
WTF...All that is required is MONEY. You got money = you become a "pro" ::). "genetics"..."talent".."hard work"...my ass. ::)
BFG, whats the approximate amount of money spent over a year on "suppplements"?
all drugs n all money , it fun ,, you need th passion to spend fucking insane ,, i still did not recover from last contest financially lol
genetic made you save money , since i got none i spend even more
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Thats an awesome bulking cycle, would he use any other Test after the 4 weeks of Suspension is over?
I think with orals some people lose appetite when on too much oral and dont eat like they could and that doesnt help when you are bulking
If he did he didnt mention it. I dont think so though, he told me he never was a fan of any other test other than suspension and he told me that all I needed was 10mg dbol a day to keep my libido up without test. (which I found to be true for me knock on wood)
two classical phyisuqes built without much test (if any)
(http://www.gmv.com.au/images/2011%20Bodybuilding%20pix/MASTERS%20OF%20MUSCLE%201%20FTP/MikeQuinn.jpg)
(http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/prediction/122/bodybuilders/newman/fullsize/newman06.jpg)
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genetic made you save money , since i got none i spend even more
lol
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This type of cycling will lead most into narcotic use as well. You're either too lethargic to function without help or too hyper to sleep without help. And always in pain. :D
see this^^
read it over and over,,some fellas need to sleep because they dont have all day to play around with their balls they need to have life beside going one hour to gym,,then some are too letargic and need to be able to stay awake just to function ,, so you either ned something to stay awake or to fall asleep ,, because if you sont work and dont do nothing yes you can fall asleep at 10 am in morning and be ok wake up 6 pm and hoopla to gym or whatevr your heart desire,, but when you LIVE off bodybuild,, when you try to make it ,, when you do bodybuild and have nooooo supportive family or no family at all and you need to get money to live life and pay and do the all life thing which is basically breathing air... when you need to do it you need your sleep and you need your awake time,, and this what brings narcotics into picture,, forget about drinking which is weird and kill you straight out but many do and you can do notihgn about,, but the narcotic usage is so pupular it is scary ,, it just make one forget lots of things,, make you painless,, give you high when need,, help you lose all the fat you need while retaniing all muscle and even growing,, get you into rugged sandy condition ,, and some fellas stop at nothing im tellin you ,,
this is why van b sentence above is a very important one,, he is right! you see all those fellas that take mega dosing ,, this and that hormones of all kind aas ,, hgh ,,insulina,, then you got fat burners and it all takes its toll on mental stability slowly but safely ....and you got to stabelize it somehow,, this is when they turn to narcotics,, that in the short run help but in the long run RUIN their lives,, and the lives who been ruined are so many i dont have enough space on getbig.com to write you how many lives were ruined by narcotics,, but yes narcotics and hormones are known to create grea conditioning ...only one that falls from within and lead to lots of health problems,, kidny and liver related ,, heart related,, all the deaths you hear about has something to do with narcotics in majority of them ,,
the poor steroids are the ones who get blamed when in reality the fellas were addict to narcotics and booz,, ofcourse they will drop dead,, who woudnt? you fuckin take hormones...you go out drinking...and on top of that you make sure you sniff your cocaine,,this is losing life on the fast run ,, some are lucky to be saved ,, many are not,,
be careful with narcotics ,, it is not good for bodybuilding,, it is quick fix,,
you can always tell a bodybuilder from his eyes,, i dotn want to name names...but the high is in the eyes,, you know who they are...
pain killers and narcotics in general are favorite among many bodybuilders for many reasons,, from anxiety to just being able to function ,,
gh15 approved
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Tbombz is spot on bro. He may very well be the most knowledgable poster on getbig. Just cause he does not look like a pro due to his mediocre response to drugs does not mean he knows less than anyone else. This will be my last post backing up tbombz as I have done it enough :D, but the only reason everyone on getbig disagrees with him is because its "Taylor". And they cant stand the fact that a 22 year old knows more than them which makes no sense to me. Maybe if they actually listened they would get somewhere instead of waiting for the next "BFG" to come along and tell them something that they will never have to concern themselves with in the first place.
Isn't that an important point though, it doesnt matter how technical you want to get, you either have the genetics or you don't, people overcomplicate things. Ultimately Taylor looks bad, so for him to be so condescending to others is quite humerous.
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but who would want to put themselves through all those injects month after month year after year for a trophy and some chump change? Think of all the injects and scar tissue that would develop, do they want to commit a long drawn out suicide?
Some people just turn around one day and say to themselves "I want to be the best no matter what it takes". Arnold was one of them.
Until the 1990's Olympic athletes were required to be amateurs, which meant many would be living hand-to-mouth.
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Great info as always on getbig.
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No they dont and Im not impressed. Look I've talked to numerous guys about this, and I really dont know where it came from probably that Gavin Kane leunatic. Do you think pros are lollygagging around trying to mimiick what happened to their body during puberty? ::) If you really think that you going from a 130 pound 14 year old to 160 pound 18 year old adult was all because of a few gh spurts you are highly mistaken. Do you really think dorian...DORIAN the bahamoth, would of been the size he was if it were not for the massive amounts of sereostim he used each day? Something to keep in mind is AIDS patients. Many of them are given 18 iu a day just to stay alive and end up looking like semi muscular fellas in the process. Now how can you justify that ed shots are a waste? I would be willing to bet good money if I asked gh15 right now, he would say the gh was always there every 4 hours on the clock every day. At least thats what every good bodybuilder I know does :D
flintstones, just 2 things..
First bold - look in the bible. GH15 talks about mimicking what happened when we were going through our growth spurts growing up, with your GH dosing. Play around with it. Never the same from shot to shot!
Second bold - I'm still trying to find where BFG has mentioned ed shots are a waste. Link me so I can read.
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No they dont and Im not impressed.
ahahahahahaha what the fuck do you know- your 18. quit talking all the time like you know something. you know jack shit. im really getting tired of you, kid.
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lol what a fucking joke of a "sport"...seriously, how can someone afford those products and at those dosages.
WTF...All that is required is MONEY. You got money = you become a "pro" ::). "genetics"..."talent".."hard work"...my ass. ::)
BFG, whats the approximate amount of money spent over a year on "suppplements"?
I think that you actually need them to become pro
genetics - you need them to run this cycles and not drop dead...
talent - to get with the right people at the right time ( for best quality hormones)
hard work- pinning all this shit daily, hell this real fucking hard work
bodybuilding gets nasty daily, but i still like it ;D
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but who would want to put themselves through all those injects month after month year after year for a trophy and some chump change? Think of all the injects and scar tissue that would develop, do they want to commit a long drawn out suicide?
yes, of course there's an underlyphing psychotic disorder with most of these "pros".
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ahahahahahaha what the fuck do you know- your 18. quit talking all the time like you know something. you know jack shit. im really getting tired of you, kid.
are you still taking it up the ass from Massive G while you suck on Groink's titties? :D and Im not 18 you stupid fuck ::) go ask g101 we have pmed eachother and been friends for years back ! on the boards ::). So I was on the boards talking steroids and discussing brands of human grade test at 12 then? lol. ::)
Ive known Ret longer than any one of you! I dont waste my time with you nobodys like yourself. If I wanted to ask for advice I would calll up Sagi . piss me off one more time and I will have you flipping burgers for the rest of your life with Juan and Jose.
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The following are the exact dosages of an offseason blast of a current top pro. Hope this puts in perspective the BS pro cycles that get posted every now and then.
Weeks 1-12
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100mg injectable dbol ed (first 8 weeks)
100mg TNE ed
500mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
200mg test prop ed
200mg NPP ed
25iu humalog before meals and before training
20iu gh injected iv immediately post workout 3x per week, 10iu gh injected IM 2x per week (other 2 training days), 10iu split dose into 5am 5 mid day injected subq on off days
Weeks 13-24
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100mg TNE ed
750mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
300mg test prop ed
200mg tren ace ed
25iu humalog before meals, 35iu before training
30iu gh injected iv post workout on all training days, 15iu subq on off days split dose 5am/5 mid day/5 evening
Weeks 25-34
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200mg injectable anadrol ed
150mg TNE ed
1,000mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
400mg test prop ed
25iu humalog before meals, 40iu before training
35iu injected iv everyday in one shot
Injectable Anadrol . . . NEVER HEARD OF IT.
THE BEEF
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Injectable Anadrol . . . NEVER HEARD OF IT.
THE BEEF
Neither have I.
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Some people just turn around one day and say to themselves "I want to be the best no matter what it takes". Arnold was one of them.
Until the 1990's Olympic athletes were required to be amateurs, which meant many would be living hand-to-mouth.
Whereas today's bodybuilders are mostly living ATM
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Fuck. Thanks for posting this, man. I wanted to be a pro bodybuilder, but after reading this thread...
Fuck that, I'm outta here.
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Great thread. Bodybuilding=Sport of drugs... faster people realize that the better.
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Ive actually read the cycle posted one more time and I have to say im really shocked..
not only by the DOSAGE but from the DURATION as well, from specific compounds.
I mean, 200mg tren ED for like 12 WEEKS??
Thats insane.
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I think that you actually need them to become pro
genetics - you need them to run this cycles and not drop dead...
talent - to get with the right people at the right time ( for best quality hormones)
hard work- pinning all this shit daily, hell this real fucking hard work
bodybuilding gets nasty daily, but i still like it ;D
LOL !! Good point !
Honestly, I'm JUST starting out in the " steroid world ". If it weren't for my newbie muscles and current finances ( god, I HATE bills ), I'd do this cycle TODAY. Right now, in fact. I have NO qualms about injecting myself on a daily basis, multiple times a day. The sick thing is, I actually ENJOY pinning myself. At 2 times a week, currently, I wish I could do it more. Call me a weird, sick, pathetic bastard, but it is what it is. Some of us just know what we want in life and will stop at nothing to get it.
Finances ... and good reliable sources ... are the ONLY things that hold some of us ( definitely myself ) back ... it seems to me ( speaking from personal experience ) that it takes 100x more determination and drive to get the extra finances as well as sources than it does to actually train and eat. Matter of fact, I dare say that the training and eating is the easiest fucking thing about bb'ing. Again, at least in my experience.
Point blank, I LOVE threads like these. I learn a lot ... for better or for worse. :)
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and Im not 18 you stupid fuck ::)
baseball....if I got my grades together could get drafted outa high school as a shortstop but I am too interested in steroids ;D
sorry. 19 then. since this post was made in jan 2010, i'll assume your 19 now.
i dont need to ask g101 jack shit- its all right there- thanks for playing KID.
so, in short quit running your stupid adolescent mouth on here like you know what your talking about. all you know is what you read and repeat.
i've made you my personal pet now. i warned you this would happen.
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That gh15 must get tired of being spot on all the time.
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This will be my last post backing up tbombz as I have done it enough
yes im sure hes going to miss the backing of someone with your 'expertise'
ok thanks for clearing that up guys...I just heard alot of people on this sight saying anti estrogens hurts growth by lowering protein synthesis or something like that,
cheers
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what do you mean never heeard of inject androl get androl powder make it inject but sources carry it
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sorry. 19 then. since this post was made in jan 2010, i'll assume your 19 now.
thanks for playing KID.
so, in short quit running your stupid adolescent mouth on here like you know what your talking about. all you know is what you read and repeat.
i've made you my personal pet now. i warned you this would happen.
22! You can go to high school until the age of, 22! in South Carolina look it up ;). And that was year ago!. Can you not read? I said that If I wanted to get drafted! I could go back to high school but I would not be able to pass drug test cause of nandrolona and equipona! Why would I attempt to get drafted when I have castle waiting for me in Israel and all you can hormone buffet? ::) lol you think flin the jew needs to waste his time with high school for 6 months to enter the draft which is made for poor dominican fella.
thanks for playinng
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22! You can go to high school until the age of, 22! in South Carolina look it up ;). And that was year ago!. Can you not read? I said that If I wanted to get drafted! I could go back to high school but I would not be able to pass drug test cause of nandrolona and equipona! Why would I attempt to get drafted when[b] I have castle waiting for me in Israel [/b] and all you can hormone buffet? ::) lol you think flin the jew needs to waste his time with high school for 6 months to enter the draft which is made for poor dominican fella.
thanks for playinng
please expalin more,. jut curious, that's all ???
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;)
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Isn't that an important point though, it doesnt matter how technical you want to get, you either have the genetics or you don't, people overcomplicate things. Ultimately Taylor looks bad, so for him to be so condescending to others is quite humerous.
::) i looked better than you when i was a natural at 18 years old and only two years lifting under my belt.
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Injectable Anadrol . . . NEVER HEARD OF IT.
THE BEEF
You can make anything into an injectable. I will never use oral dbol again since using the injectable version. 50mg's feels like 100 and none of the stomach issues occur. same for injectable anadrol. Great stuff.
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You can make anything into an injectable. I will never use oral dbol again since using the injectable version. 50mg's feels like 100 and none of the stomach issues occur. same for injectable anadrol. Great stuff.
but you have to shoot ED
I hate that shit ;D
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is there a site with instructions how to make dbol and adrol injectable?
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is there a site with instructions how to make dbol and adrol injectable?
usually those 2 are made with PEG , or glycol
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usually those 2 are made with PEG , or glycol
I dunno what this means man, sorry, not asking for anyone to explain that is a little much, I guess I'll google it
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usually those 2 are made with PEG , or glycol
that is to make a liquid oral. You make the injectable with the regular 2/20ba/bb and whatever oil you want, plus some guaicol or EO as a co-solvent.
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Ive actually read the cycle posted one more time and I have to say im really shocked..
not only by the DOSAGE but from the DURATION as well, from specific compounds.
I mean, 200mg tren ED for like 12 WEEKS??
Thats insane.
what do you mean insane? im on 150-200mg trenbolona at the moment every day ,, functioning properly ,, hyper ,, happy,, blood pressure ok ,,only side effect is that im lean and muscle pop 3 dimentional style while eating icecreams and 5guys...and this! is the truth
gh15 approved
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what do you mean insane? im on 150-200mg trenbolona at the moment every day ,, functioning properly ,, hyper ,, happy,, blood pressure ok ,,only side effect is that im lean and muscle pop 3 dimentional style while eating icecreams and 5guys...and this! is the truth
gh15 approved
5 guys is amazing.
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Injectable Anadrol . . . NEVER HEARD OF IT.
THE BEEF
injectable anadrola and injectable dianabola,,very good and doesnt make your liver melt like orals do ,, you can pull longer on it ,,it is toxic like any oral ,, but the toxicity of orals is exagurated and th einjectable just work much better ,, MUCH better,, all ug cooks who know something about cooking do injectable dianabola and anadrola ,,not to forget! back in the day liquid dianabola came from mexicana in vet form was dirty shit but still worked well ,, this stuff now day is clean! and works very very good
gh15 approved
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lol adding narcotics to all these stuff is definitely such a easy way to die by 40
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5 guys is amazing.
its good but to expensive to what you get. i think it was 5 bucks for a hot dog
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22! You can go to high school until the age of, 22! in South Carolina look it up ;). And that was year ago!. Can you not read? I said that If I wanted to get drafted! I could go back to high school but I would not be able to pass drug test cause of nandrolona and equipona! Why would I attempt to get drafted when I have castle waiting for me in Israel and all you can hormone buffet? ::) lol you think flin the jew needs to waste his time with high school for 6 months to enter the draft which is made for poor dominican fella.
thanks for playinng
flintstones, I think the "hate" comes from not having your own original posts, or better still, just writing being yourself.
There is too much "gh15" in the way you post. You try to sound like him. You skip words like he does to make it sound like your english is broken. There are many examples. It is mainly the posts you make where you know gh15 will be reading. Other threads, it is ok. Proper written english.
For example, without scrolling through your post history, I will just use the post I've quoted you on as one to go off...
To the first part of the bold in the quote above:
"but I would not be able to pass drug test cause of nandrolona and equipona!"
...purposely missing the "a" inbetween "able to pass (a) drug test"
To the second part of the bold:
"Why would I attempt to get drafted when I have castle waiting for me in Israel and all you can hormone buffet?"
lol, explanation needed? "Castle" waiting for me?
Missing the "a" again also here to sound like you have broken english like gh15, re: "when I have (a) castle waiting for me..."
To the third part of the bold:
"lol you think flin the jew needs to waste his time with high school for 6 months to enter the draft which is made for poor dominican fella"
Too many here. Talking in third person? "flin the jew"? Like gh15 referrs to his own names "gh15" or "god of hormones" when he talks?
Giving yourself a "title" like "Hide the Jap", "Kuclo the kid"...the same way GH15 does? "flin the jew"?
"fella"?
It's too much copy, bro.
Be yourself!
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22! You can go to high school until the age of, 22! in South Carolina look it up ;). And that was year ago!. Can you not read? I said that If I wanted to get drafted! I could go back to high school but I would not be able to pass drug test cause of nandrolona and equipona! Why would I attempt to get drafted when I have castle waiting for me in Israel and all you can hormone buffet? ::) lol you think flin the jew needs to waste his time with high school for 6 months to enter the draft which is made for poor dominican fella.
thanks for playinng
The one that Jordan's king started building and never finished ?
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injectable anadrola and injectable dianabola,,very good and doesnt make your liver melt like orals do ,, you can pull longer on it ,,it is toxic like any oral ,, but the toxicity of orals is exagurated and th einjectable just work much better ,, MUCH better,, all ug cooks who know something about cooking do injectable dianabola and anadrola ,,not to forget! back in the day liquid dianabola came from mexicana in vet form was dirty shit but still worked well ,, this stuff now day is clean! and works very very good
gh15 approved
You saying does not hurt, or hurts less?
THE BEEF
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nothign hurt liver to a point of no return aside from narcotics and booz and also those usualy do not hurt it until abused to a large degree,,orals due to way its absolrbed give yuo more sides but also nothing big aside from lethargy,,most fellas who have probelm with orals have it with hunger and with lethargy ...after 2 week they want to sleep all day and cant eat...it doesnt happen with inject orals,,
i have known felas take orals for many months none stop ,, i do recomend to get off orals after a while ,, i actualy recomend everything taken in inject form ,,if you cant eat then its not worth it to take the oral...lethargy can always be take care of if you got some wil power and time to sleep
gh15 approved
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what do you mean insane? im on 150-200mg trenbolona at the moment every day ,, functioning properly ,, hyper ,, happy,, blood pressure ok ,,only side effect is that im lean and muscle pop 3 dimentional style while eating icecreams and 5guys...and this! is the truth
gh15 approved
;D
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I just came off 100mg turkish anapolon 3 months straight lol. Eating lots of bananas/sushi to heal liver
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I just came off 100mg turkish anapolon 3 months straight lol. Eating lots of bananas/sushi to heal liver
::)
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notice kevin in m3 the bananas on the counter, looks healthy. Look at Gunter love bananas, looks healthy. Nasser like them too.
Also gh15 has said sushi keeps the health going so I am eating as much as I can of it.
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You saying does not hurt, or hurts less?
THE BEEF
It only has to pass through the liver once in the injectable form, so it is way less harmful.
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notice kevin in m3 the bananas on the counter, looks healthy. Look at Gunter love bananas, looks healthy. Nasser like them too.
Also gh15 has said sushi keeps the health going so I am eating as much as I can of it.
jesus, dude.......
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jesus, dude.......
Jesus likes banana's to ? shit we onto something now
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what do you mean insane? im on 150-200mg trenbolona at the moment every day ,, functioning properly ,, hyper ,, happy,, blood pressure ok ,,only side effect is that im lean and muscle pop 3 dimentional style while eating icecreams and 5guys...and this! is the truth
gh15 approved
No way, thats Insane!!!! lol
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you must understand that inorder for this to happen you need gh and trenbolona at any given time in blood,, either one,, doesnt have to be both ,, then the 5 guy and icecream is real ,, again you dont just eat shit ...no bodybuild wanna sit and eat shit all the time its not healthy ,, but icecream is not shit ...and when most meals are fish sushi and home food you will look great,, the other aspectd of side effect are nothing...lean growth is the side effect,, you may cxonsider being on hyper side effect it is to most fellas but when you bodybuild you are used to it ,,hyper and all high is part of bodybuild feel its the bodybuild job to keep it at bay and control it so it doesnt go nuts,, do i curse in the car anyone who give me balonie while driving? ofcourse,, but i control myself ,,if you got brain then you use it ...if not then you end up with some charges
gh15 approved
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you must understand that inorder for this to happen you need gh and trenbolona at any given time in blood,, either one,, doesnt have to be both ,, then the 5 guy and icecream is real ,, again you dont just eat shit ...no bodybuild wanna sit and eat shit all the time its not healthy ,, but icecream is not shit ...and when most meals are fish sushi and home food you will look great,, the other aspectd of side effect are nothing...lean growth is the side effect,, you may cxonsider being on hyper side effect it is to most fellas but when you bodybuild you are used to it ,,hyper and all high is part of bodybuild feel its the bodybuild job to keep it at bay and control it so it doesnt go nuts,, do i curse in the car anyone who give me balonie while driving? ofcourse,, but i control myself ,,if you got brain then you use it ...if not then you end up with some charges
gh15 approved
gh15 im up in bf right now....due to "holiday" binging. I mean, waking up in the night and eating chocolates. lol...thanks god im on test 750 and it forgives a bit...but i have added fat and can grab some love handles. haha
before using tren for one more time, do you recommend me lean down a bit? or use it right away?
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if you are in the 10% range and that dont mean 18% it means 10% lol ...then yes,,trenbolona is very very good drug it sheds fat daily ,, it really doesnt cause sweat if you are lean ,, fellas who are 7% dont sweat on trenbolona while sleeping ,,why? because they dont have fat to lose lol they get harder they get drier,, the skin get more elastic on the muscle,, the body get the muscle man look of the 3 dimention...especialy if primed with gh before,, so 10% i would say is where i would go on the trenbolona ace 10 and it would get you down to 6% very fast ,, very effective and very efficient ,, tren is hardening agent it is a cutting a toning agent to most because many hold water from other hormones...but what is exactly being toned? being toned is a cut guy that hold water between skin and muscle,, so the less water you hold the more cut dry you will look and more condition you will become,,
i actualy like to hold some water while on trenbolona ,,,the hgh type water maybe little less but that type of water ,, it gives the physiqe 3 dimentional out of this world and everywhere you turn you hear compliments and get attention ...and bodybuild like attention : )
gh15 approved
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if you are in the 10% range and that dont mean 18% it means 10% lol ...then yes,,trenbolona is very very good drug it sheds fat daily ,, it really doesnt cause sweat if you are lean ,, fellas who are 7% dont sweat on trenbolona while sleeping ,,why? because they dont have fat to lose lol they get harder they get drier,, the skin get more elastic on the muscle,, the body get the muscle man look of the 3 dimention...especialy if primed with gh before,, so 10% i would say is where i would go on the trenbolona ace 10 and it would get you down to 6% very fast ,, very effective and very efficient ,, tren is hardening agent it is a cutting a toning agent to most because many hold water from other hormones...but what is exactly being toned? being toned is a cut guy that hold water between skin and muscle,, so the less water you hold the more cut dry you will look and more condition you will become,,
i actualy like to hold some water while on trenbolona ,,,the hgh type water maybe little less but that type of water ,, it gives the physiqe 3 dimentional out of this world and everywhere you turn you hear compliments and get attention ...and bodybuild like attention : )
gh15 approved
So if you are 15 percent you use hgh to help get to 10 and take tren from there ?
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I just came off 100mg turkish anapolon 3 months straight lol. Eating lots of bananas/sushi to heal liver
The only thing You came off of is your boyfriend's cock.
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The only thing You came off of is your boyfriend's cock.
;D
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It only has to pass through the liver once in the injectable form, so it is way less harmful.
ARE YOU SURE
BOTH PRODUCTS ARE STILL DOUBLE A ( 17-alpha-alkylated ) MAKING THEM INJECTABLE DOES NOT CHANGE THIS. THEY NEED TO BE PASSED THROUGH THE LIVER TWICE TO B EFULLY METABOLIZED.
THE BEEF
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::) i looked better than you when i was a natural at 18 years old and only two years lifting under my belt.
Yeah just like you look better and bigger than no one lmao.
I rape you on shape, cut, lines and height, you are bigger but you look like a fucking caveman, just quit it you dont have the genetics for bodybuilding. You downs syndrome looking joke.
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I don't know what T bombz deal is but he thinks he has this insane physique all the sudden. He's a big solid dude but he's got to get A LOT leaner before he starts talking that kinda shit.
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The only thing You came off of is your boyfriend's cock.
and at the end of the day your still a 46 year old broke ass guy who installs tv's for a living..spending his free time on a sight with a bunch of 20 year olds lol:D
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and at the end of the day your still a 46 year old broke ass #### who installs tv's for a living..spending his free time on a sight with a bunch of 20 year olds lol:D
Keep telling yourself that....its human nature to try and bring our superiors down to our level.
You are a kid who has been brutally exposed as a know nothing poseur who regurgitates what he reads online....you are probably afraid of needles you little penis pulling fairy :)
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and at the end of the day your still a 46 year old broke ass #### who installs tv's for a living..spending his free time on a sight with a bunch of 20 year olds lol:D
Learn to spell boy.
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Keep telling yourself that....its human nature to try and bring our superiors down to our level.
You are a kid who has been brutally exposed as a know nothing poseur who regurgitates what he reads online....you are probably afraid of needles you little penis pulling fairy :)
if I saw you I would laugh in your fucking face :).I wonder what your mom thinks, when you go to her Christmas Dinner in your wife beater and backwards baseball cap with your fake pair of tits begging for a few $. You are greedy...scumbag with a big fat wasite and old man degenerative muscle. You cant see that your muscle is old and degenerating by the second? im serious. It looks sqooshy I dont think women think your are muscle man they think construction worker who eats lots of steak and potatoes. Your waiste is big and fat like Dante!
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This would be a perfect example of a little keyboard shitstain just talking absolute nonsense.
My waist is fat ::)
You see, That's the difference ....you just make shit up and talk out of your ass.....I'm 100% on the money, the way you ape GH15 is embarrassing to watch...have some dignity, you scrawny...ineffective... weak willed Sniffer of men's asses
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Isn't that an important point though, it doesnt matter how technical you want to get, you either have the genetics or you don't, people overcomplicate things. Ultimately Taylor looks bad, so for him to be so condescending to others is quite humerous.
You got a pic Jaime?
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ARE YOU SURE
BOTH PRODUCTS ARE STILL DOUBLE A ( 17-alpha-alkylated ) MAKING THEM INJECTABLE DOES NOT CHANGE THIS. THEY NEED TO BE PASSED THROUGH THE LIVER TWICE TO B EFULLY METABOLIZED.
THE BEEF
You know, you are actually right. I was always under the impression that the injectable form only went through once. Maybe the reason I feel less like shit on injectable orals versus the regular ones is less stomach discomfort. I'm not sure what the exact reason is, but I can tell you that (especially with dbol) the injectable versions of all the orals I have tried (winstrol, anadrol and dbol) work much better for me and I feel better while on them.
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This would be a perfect example of a little keyboard shitstain just talking absolute nonsense.
My waist is fat ::)
You see, That's the difference ....you just make shit up and talk out of your ass.....I'm 100% on the money, the way you ape GH15 is embarrassing to watch...have some dignity, you scrawny...ineffective... weak willed Sniffer of men's asses
are you blind? your shape is fucking horrid. you dont even look like an athlete, just a big oger with a shit structure. And your narrow to make it worse!
And I guarantteee I look better at 19 or 20, then you did at 25 or 30 or 35. I can hold my own with anyone. Give me 24 months buddy boy and Ill accomplish more than you have in 25 years. your response to gh is absolutely horrid :P
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This would be a perfect example of a little keyboard shitstain just talking absolute nonsense.
My waist is fat ::)
You see, That's the difference ....you just make shit up and talk out of your ass.....I'm 100% on the money, the way you ape GH15 is embarrassing to watch...have some dignity, you scrawny...ineffective... weak willed Sniffer of men's asses
This flintstone character has a habit of talking out of his ass, it shouldn't surprise you.
I believe he is just trolling you here, that's what he does.
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Sure you will! ::)
I'm going to the gym now to hone my physique even further.
You hold down the fort here insulting people with more muscular physiques than you. Don't think it goes unnoticed, this is God's work your doing.
::) :D
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Sure you will! ::)
I'm going to the gym now to hone my physique even further.
You hold down the fort here insulting people with more muscular physiques than you. Don't think it goes unnoticed, this is God's work your doing.
::) :D
must suck knowing your whole life is built around your physique for the past 25 years, and you still look like an older version of Dante lol. You see the difference between me and you is, I dont give a shit and miss workouts all the time. but will still end up looking better than you most likely. my response to drugs is superior. old bastard you just suck, admit it. Your a worthless piece of shit in everyones mind other than getbigs.
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Don't you have some more gripping "first hand accounts" to write of a guy going home to take his GH ??
Did you feel your life was in danger? That must have been intense :o
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i wonder how groinks mother feels, knowing her 50 year old son's biggest concern in his life is how full his shitty chest looks right now lol. You dont think everyone laughs behind your back? Its different for a guy to take drugs and lift on the side who looks good. that is admirable. but you fucken breathe it! nonstop thats all you think about for past 25 years. Just give up man, your no levrone and never will be. Stop placing bodybuilding so high on your priority list, leave that to Bob chick ;)
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You need to be silent now.
No one has brutally exposed you with the precision of a neurosurgeon...you are a 22 year old pudgy shit molecule who can't afford creatine...never mind real gear...let me know when you bench 135....OK chubby?
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You need to be silent now.
No one has brutally exposed you with the precision of a neurosurgeon...you are a 22 year old pudgy shit molecule who can't afford creatine...never mind real gear...let me know when you bench 135....OK chubby?
who said Im 22? :D and if I really gave a shit about being exposed, you dont think I would of deleted my old posts long ago when no one first started calling me out. ::) and I can assure you I have better hookups than you. :D
seated military press with 225 for sets of 8 perfect form
incline bench over 300 pounds..this was done while I still was a god damn teenager iin high school in high school on half the stuff you take!
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And the bullshitting continues.....you've been outed...shut up
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And the bullshitting continues.....you've been outed...shut up
i actually might have the 225 shoulder press on video Ill post it for you :o
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I wont br expecting it.
I am now done acknowledging you....br thankful for the time you had....you fat rodent
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Keep telling yourself that....its human nature to try and bring our superiors down to our level.
You are a kid who has been brutally exposed as a know nothing poseur who regurgitates what he reads online....you are probably afraid of needles you little penis pulling fairy :)
looks whos talking. guy who claims natural forever, then finally is a rough, tough, drug taking man!
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looks whos talking. guy who claims natural forever, then finally is a rough, tough, drug taking man!
lol he just started tren last week, first time. You say you know more about drugs than me Groink, yet youve been using steroids for 6 weeks ::) but since we know thats not the case...you basicly just openly admitted to getbig you have a lifetime of abuse under your belt and are finally admitting your a dellusional liar. Either way you just screwed yourself, you piece of shit lying ####.
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groink owning the little mouthpiece 'flintstones1'
the kid is insane. he's prolly fatter than the legendary fat panda was. another know it all who parrots whatever he reads who when exposed looked like a massive bag of shit.
I'm willing to bet this kid is either on par with FP or has less 'muscle' than an anorexic midget.
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I want BFG back in this thread!
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groink owning the little mouthpiece 'flintstones1'
the kid is insane. he's prolly fatter than the legendary fat panda was. another know it all who parrots whatever he reads who when exposed looked like a massive bag of shit.
I'm willing to bet this kid is either on par with FP or has less 'muscle' than an anorexic midget.
LMAO! says the twink nobody after a decade of abuse. I dont give a fuck what gh15 says about how pretty your physique is I still wouldnt repsect you if I saw you in a gym cause your a fucking pussy. I show the big fat powerlifters respect because they are big and strong at least lol that is what lifting is about. No one, my friend, Your shoulders are nonexistant, Your chest fucking sucks, Your traps are your only good body part. My arms are bigger than yours. My waiste is smaller yet Im not even as lean as you, and my shoulders are better. Im still narrow due to my clavicles but I have more muscle in my delts than you.
Whats funny is if I met you in person, you would be on my nuts like everyone else is ..saying man theres no way your that young bro your huge for your age! This is coming from real bodybuilders all the time you know the Okami's and the Spike's you see in the gym. not the wanna be in the corner with the baseball cap and pissed off face whos made at life like yourself lol.
you guys also bash tbombz...Isnt that the whole point of lifting weights to look big and strong? you make it sound like dieting is so hard lol. the building the size is the hard part, anybody can get shredded and look like you. but oh yes the mighty "no one" is done being "huge". ::). you fucking liar grow a set and just admit you couldnt get huge if your life depended on it. and good luck getting the fullness of a black guy, your genetics suck you hillbilly.
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Well, this thread certainly got interesting. LOL.
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LMAO! says the twink nobody after a decade of abuse. I dont give a fuck what gh15 says about how pretty your physique is I still wouldnt repsect you if I saw you in a gym cause your a fucking pussy. I show the big fat powerlifters respect because they are big and strong at least lol that is what lifting is about. No one, my friend, Your shoulders are nonexistant, Your chest fucking sucks, Your traps are your only good body part. My arms are bigger than yours. My waiste is smaller yet Im not even as lean as you, and my shoulders are better. Im still narrow due to my clavicles but I have more muscle in my delts than you.
Whats funny is if I met you in person, you would be on my nuts like everyone else is ..saying man theres no way your that young bro your huge for your age! This is coming from real bodybuilders all the time you know the Okami's and the Spike's you see in the gym. not the wanna be in the corner with the baseball cap and pissed off face whos made at life like yourself lol.
you guys also bash tbombz...Isnt that the whole point of lifting weights to look big and strong? you make it sound like dieting is so hard lol. the building the size is the hard part, anybody can get shredded and look like you. but oh yes the mighty "no one" is done being "huge". ::). you fucking liar grow a set and just admit you couldnt get huge if your life depended on it. and good luck getting the fullness of a black guy, your genetics suck you hillbilly.
ahahahahahahahahahahahah ahahaha :D blah blah blah and all off 3 months of anapolon!
you must be a real MONSTER!
keep posting- your doing a far better job of unravelling on your own than i could ever hope to contribute to.
face it, boy, you couldnt carry my straps to the gym. you're just a skinny (my clavicles are narrow ahahahahahaha) little wanna be boy with a big mouth and a mental disorder.
but im sure your a real MONSTER!
:D
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there is a video of one of the greatest bodybuilders to ever live at 19? 20?, on a similar amount of drugs as me now, yet I look the same as him with a smaller waiste, longer legs, and a shorter torso :o Dennis openly admitted he used drugs as a teenager..
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Lololol.....Flintstones vitamin melting like a piece of cheese in a microwave ....being put in his place ( the bottom) with ease by the vastly superior No One...
And, as usual ...frog faced Epic Alien putting his two cents And child bearing hips where they aren't wanted :D
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but who would want to put themselves through all those injects month after month year after year for a trophy and some chump change? Think of all the injects and scar tissue that would develop, do they want to commit a long drawn out suicide?
I believe it goes further than that, I would say the vast majority suffer from Body dysmorphic disorder (BDD)..having said that, your personal health is not priority #1..btw great post!!
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there is a video of one of the greatest bodybuilders to ever live at 19? 20?, on a similar amount of drugs as me now, yet I look the same as him with a smaller waiste, longer legs, and a shorter torso :o Dennis openly admitted he used drugs as a teenager..
sure you do, MONSTER, sure you do. :D
ahahahahahahahahaha now your better than one of the best bodybuilders of the 90's!
whats next, sparky- you going to claim a better front squat than ronnie coleman too?
omg ahahahahahahahahahahahah ahaha you are such a fucking TOOL!
keep up the good great work, junior- im sure the rest of the board is marvelling at your descent into into stupidity as much as i am.
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i often marvel at some peoples ability to make themselves look remarkably stupid, but you seem to do it with such ease, MONSTER.
whats your secret?
seriously.
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there is a video of one of the greatest bodybuilders to ever live at 19? 20?, on a similar amount of drugs as me now, yet I look the same as him with a smaller waiste, longer legs, and a shorter torso :o Dennis openly admitted he used drugs as a teenager..
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You know, you are actually right. I was always under the impression that the injectable form only went through once. Maybe the reason I feel less like shit on injectable orals versus the regular ones is less stomach discomfort. I'm not sure what the exact reason is, but I can tell you that (especially with dbol) the injectable versions of all the orals I have tried (winstrol, anadrol and dbol) work much better for me and I feel better while on them.
Yeah, THE BEEF is on the money here. THE BEEF has been a douche, a liar and a hater, but THE BEEF has a bit of insight into supplementing on the other side of the fence.
THE BEEF
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it's all well and good to start using drugs at an early age but how long can you take them, your whole life because once you stop well we have all seen the pics of CC, M Mustaffa,Tom Prince,Bob Chickeroo,Mike Morris, and just about all heavy arse drug using IFBB Pros even the ones that stay on like Milos look like shit after a while.
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Yeah, THE BEEF is on the money here. THE BEEF has been a douche, a liar and a hater, but THE BEEF has a bit of insight into supplementing on the other side of the fence.
THE BEEF
Either way, I highly recommend trying this shit. I used a blend of 100mg's TNE and 50mg's anadrol a few months ago. It had guaicol in it as a co-solvent and it was absolutely fantastic.
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Either way, I highly recommend trying this shit. I used a blend of 100mg's TNE and 50mg's anadrol a few months ago. It had guaicol in it as a co-solvent and it was absolutely fantastic.
thats because the cook is an artist,, that cared about his products...when you really love what you do ,, it shows!
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So they are actually quite lucky not to be dropping dead collectively, since blood thickening is probably the most dangerous (acute) side effect of steroid use?
Who has ever died from blood thickening?
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This type of cycling will lead most into narcotic use as well. You're either too lethargic to function without help or too hyper to sleep without help. And always in pain. :D
Yeah, but just think about how jacked you'd look.
Priorities my informative friend, priorities.
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Who has ever died from blood thickening?
I think I heard something about this with regard to munzer?
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Yeah, but just think about how jacked you'd look.
Priorities my informative friend, priorities.
I don't think that anyone run this kind of cycle "to look jacked", guys who run it, run it to win shows.
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I don't think that anyone run this kind of cycle "to look jacked", guys who run it, run it to win shows.
are you sure about that?
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I don't think that anyone run this kind of cycle "to look jacked", guys who run it, run it to win shows.
sigh... I guess my brutal sarcasm was lost....
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I think I heard something about this with regard to munzer?
I did have Munzer in mind but I think a lot more was going on with Munzer than just blood thickening. And I think it's not accurate to single out equipona for this. All steroids raise Hemocrit and red blood cell levels. Wasn't anadrol specifically developed to treat anemia?
Perhaps the body has a way of balancing things out. I mean, guys are taking a gram of equipona in addition to every else including drol.
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I agree that it has to be overrated since all these guys are still walking around after years and years of doing high doses
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Again - it's an individual thing - some it has no effect on others it "could" cause problems.
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not only its overrated,,,but! some fellas who have no approach to computer...still do not get that the reason a bodybuild advance is the consistant usage of drugs,, no stop no off,, always change compounds,, while trenbolona and hgh alway in system,, either one or both! ,,this is what fellas that have no acess to computer do not get,,
the advancment of a bodybuilder come from hgh and trenbolona ace,, it comes from high quality legit equipona and lots of good ole testosterona,,
the best bodybuilder is the ones who has the legit high quality compounds and respond to them the best
everything to do with sickness from hormoens is OVER RATED usualy lies ,,
everything that has to do with sickness from narcotics! is right on the truth ,, and usualy underrated!
it is the booz and narcotics and diuretic abuse that kill athletes! not! hormones!
gh15 approved
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not only its overrated,,,but! some fellas who have no approach to computer...still do not get that the reason a bodybuild advance is the consistant usage of drugs,, no stop no off,, always change compounds,, while trenbolona and hgh alway in system,, either one or both! ,,this is what fellas that have no acess to computer do not get,,
the advancment of a bodybuilder come from hgh and trenbolona ace,, it comes from high quality legit equipona and lots of good ole testosterona,,
the best bodybuilder is the ones who has the legit high quality compounds and respond to them the best
everything to do with sickness from hormoens is OVER RATED usualy lies ,,
everything that has to do with sickness from narcotics! is right on the truth ,, and usualy underrated!
it is the booz and narcotics and diuretic abuse that kill athletes! not! hormones!
gh15 approved
Whenever there was too much gear in my system I fell ill.
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Whenever there was too much gear in my system I fell ill.
Explain, please ?
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Explain, please ?
Well high bp, heart rate going up (feeling heart beating especially when I lay on bed trying to slee), some acne, feeling you're tired etc. After 2 months ON I really, really wanna get OFF ASAP coz I've got enough.
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Well high bp, heart rate going up (feeling heart beating especially when I lay on bed trying to slee), some acne, feeling you're tired etc. After 2 months ON I really, really wanna get OFF ASAP coz I've got enough.
This.
Lethargy is a big one and a lot of the time I did get test flu (especially with sustanon)
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Who has ever died from blood thickening?
The funny thing is I am 29 and since my high school days, I know of at least a dozen fellas that have died from various health issues, wether cancer lekemia, stroke, one guy I know slipped into a coma from a basic surgery, my point is non of these guys have juiced. in any field or category of people there will be a fair share of bodies hiting the floor, but when it happins in the bodybuldng communty lol...has to be the juice. A couple of deaths in 2 decades wow they are dropping like flies ::)
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The funny thing is I am 29 and since my high school days, I know of at least a dozen fellas that have died from various health issues, wether cancer lekemia, stroke, one guy I know slipped into a coma from a basic surgery, my point is non of these guys have juiced. in any field or category of people there will be a fair share of bodies hiting the floor, but when it happins in the bodybuldng communty lol...has to be the juice. A couple of deaths in 2 decades wow they are dropping like flies ::)
spot on.
people are dying all the time, right and left from alcohol, tobacco, rec drugs, prescription medicine, some people even die without any obvious reason, it's funny that there are just so few people dying from steroids yet you get the feeling your liver will fail after three dbols and your kidneys go out after 2 years of 2g of protein per lb bw.
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True, a skinny little prick that was in my class in school died few months ago and he didnt even know gear existed id say, and IM FULL OF DRUGS and still alive and other than liver enzymes bein a little high im healthy
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True, a skinny little prick that was in my class in school died few months ago and he didnt even know gear existed id say, and IM FULL OF DRUGS and still alive and other than liver enzymes bein a little high im healthy
I wonder how healthy you are compared to a guy your age smoking his pack of cigarettes a day, with a pint or two in the evening in front of the TV eating his microwave chicken madras and downing some chunky kitskats. :o
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Probably the same, Ive never smoked, done rec drugs or drank alcohol at all. But my cardio is poor and Im on isulin, gear and gh. Iv booked myself in for another regular blood test next Tuesday morning so we'll see
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While I agree that there are other compounds that are way more detrimental to the body than AAS we can not deny that many users will have bad values in a blood test after being on high dosages for some time. The boards are full of people reporting high BP, low HDL, high LDL, high liver values, bad kidney values and so on. This may not kill you straight away but try having bad values for years and you will suffer from it.
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spot on.
people are dying all the time, right and left from alcohol, tobacco, rec drugs, prescription medicine, some people even die without any obvious reason, it's funny that there are just so few people dying from steroids yet you get the feeling your liver will fail after three dbols and your kidneys go out after 2 years of 2g of protein per lb bw.
Natural crap happaens all the time, if an 80 year old never juiced in his life and all of sudden decided to and a couple years later he died cause he is 82, everyone will say...."see, I told you steroids kill", it's outrages. Take Luke wood (RIP), everyone in the other thread is saying Milos killed him, some are saying diuretics is cause and others are saying cytomel, and it could be... I don't know ( tylonel can kill you if you down the whole bottle in one shot), but it could have also happened anyway, my grade 5 teacher had a relative that died fron a kidney transplant.
True, a skinny little prick that was in my class in school died few months ago and he didnt even know gear existed id say, and IM FULL OF DRUGS and still alive and other than liver enzymes bein a little high im healthy
Exactly, now I have a friend that was big for true natural around the limit range that gh15 described as the natural max. His mother got cancer when he a teenager and his father got cancer when he was 19. We would hit the gym both natural and we could lift 3 plates on bench and were religous about it, about 6-7 years ago I said the hell with this ;D... I am juicing and have been ever since, he on the other hand wouldn't even go near it and his excuse was (cause his parents got cancer) "i am scared to get cancer" and would preach consistantly to me how bad steroids are, anyway, I got in touch with him a few months back and guess what... he is doing kimo. Bottomline is the hospital is full of people in and out and 99.9 % of them aren't on steroids. The health problems are the same in ratio from the peopla that juice to the people that don't, the funny things is all the Mr. Olympia winners are still alive, there is a slap in the face for the haters.
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Exactly, now I have a friend that was big for true natural around the limit range that gh15 described as the natural max. His mother got cancer when he a teenager and his father got cancer when he was 19. We would hit the gym both natural and we could lift 3 plates on bench and were religous about it, about 6-7 years ago I said the hell with this ;D... I am juicing and have been ever since, he on the other hand wouldn't even go near it and his excuse was (cause his parents got cancer) "i am scared to get cancer" and would preach consistantly to me how bad steroids are, anyway, I got in touch with him a few months back and guess what... he is doing kimo. Bottomline is the hospital is full of people in and out and 99.9 % of them aren't on steroids. The health problems are the same in ratio from the peopla that juice to the people that don't, the funny things is all the Mr. Olympia winners are still alive, there is a slap in the face for the haters.
Yes, and tons of other sportspeople are dyng or dead, George Best (soccer), Alex Higgins (snooker), Lance Armstrong (cycling), Alan Stubbs (soccer)
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Natural crap happaens all the time, if an 80 year old never juiced in his life and all of sudden decided to and a couple years later he died cause he is 82, everyone will say...."see, I told you steroids kill", it's outrages. Take Luke wood (RIP), everyone in the other thread is saying Milos killed him, some are saying diuretics is cause and others are saying cytomel, and it could be... I don't know ( tylonel can kill you if you down the whole bottle in one shot), but it could have also happened anyway, my grade 5 teacher had a relative that died fron a kidney transplant.
Exactly, now I have a friend that was big for true natural around the limit range that gh15 described as the natural max. His mother got cancer when he a teenager and his father got cancer when he was 19. We would hit the gym both natural and we could lift 3 plates on bench and were religous about it, about 6-7 years ago I said the hell with this ;D... I am juicing and have been ever since, he on the other hand wouldn't even go near it and his excuse was (cause his parents got cancer) "i am scared to get cancer" and would preach consistantly to me how bad steroids are, anyway, I got in touch with him a few months back and guess what... he is doing kimo. Bottomline is the hospital is full of people in and out and 99.9 % of them aren't on steroids. The health problems are the same in ratio from the peopla that juice to the people that don't, the funny things is all the Mr. Olympia winners are still alive, there is a slap in the face for the haters.
HIS KIDNEY TRANSPLANT WAS A RESULT 0F DRUG ABUSE.
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I think I heard something about this with regard to munzer?
Munzer died most likely from a combination of factors BUT the leading contributer was that his blood could not clot. I believe he was taking a huge dose of Cytadren to keep cortisol low, a side effect is an inability for your blood to clot. From there he somehow developed intestinal bleeding after a show, went to the hospital for treatment and would have been fine EXCEPT because his blood had no clotting factors he simply bled out. The ER staff (I believe in Germany) literally could not stop his bleeding and that was it!
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Munzer died most likely from a combination of factors BUT the leading contributer was that his blood could not clot. I believe he was taking a huge dose of Cytadren to keep cortisol low, a side effect is an inability for your blood to clot. From there he somehow developed intestinal bleeding after a show, went to the hospital for treatment and would have been fine EXCEPT because his blood had no clotting factors he simply bled out. The ER staff (I believe in Germany) literally could not stop his bleeding and that was it!
He died of multiple organ failure, his kidneys were totally usleess and his liver was a mess of tumors
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He died of multiple organ failure, his kidneys were totally usleess and his liver was a mess of tumors
This I believe, however the actual cause of death was massive blood loss. Would have happened no matter what though, he was at the end of his rope for sure. I cannot imagine the doses he ran and how long he stayed on....I wouldn't be surprised if he was on drol for months if not years at a time etc.
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This I believe, however the actual cause of death was massive blood loss. Would have happened no matter what though, he was at the end of his rope for sure. I cannot imagine the doses he ran and how long he stayed on....I wouldn't be surprised if he was on drol for months if not years at a time etc.
There's aids patients on drol for years at a time with no problems, I don't think it was the drol
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There's aids patients on drol for years at a time with no problems, I don't think it was the drol
Well, AIDS patients most likely won't do 300-500mg of drol per day with various other medications, steroids, pain killers and what else....
On a side note though, A LOT of 60s and 70s lifters and athletes have been on orals like Dbol, OT and other stuff for years and years without problems, Testosterone is prescribed up to 1000mg per week and so on...
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HIS KIDNEY TRANSPLANT WAS A RESULT 0F DRUG ABUSE.
You know this how ?
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You know this how ?
WHAT ELSE W0ULD BE THE REAS0N?
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WHAT ELSE W0ULD BE THE REAS0N?
Maybe a broken "o" on the keyboard, you retard.
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Maybe a broken "o" on the keyboard, you retard.
Y0U CLEARLY HAVE DISLEXIA.
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Maybe a broken "o" on the keyboard, you retard.
And a broken caps lock
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And a broken caps lock
The way it seems, these two factors are rather symptoms of severe brain damage than kidney failure, my bad.
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The way it seems, these two factors are rather symptoms of severe brain damage than kidney failure, my bad.
Y0U ARE S0 FUCKING STUPID RELATING KIDNEY FAILURE T0 TYPING. G0T ANYM0RE RETARD QU0TES?
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The way it seems, these two factors are rather symptoms of severe brain damage than kidney failure, my bad.
Are you suggesting that Assbruise is the kind of moron who wears a belt when working out on machines and puts creatine powder under his tongue between sets?
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Are you suggesting that Assbruise is the kind of moron who wears a belt when working out on machines and puts creatine powder under his tongue between sets?
and after training buys a 15$ lunch box in the gym with 50g dry chicken breast in it. ;D ;D
Assbruise wouldn't realize a kidney failure if it drove over him in a Hummer.
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WHAT ELSE W0ULD BE THE REAS0N?
Well the fact he had a preexisiting condition might also have something to do with it - did steroids bring this to the surface ? maybe but noone can say with 100 % FACT that this is true - I'd go more with the Competitive BB lifestyle in full - not just steroids - dehydrating oneself to near death conditions takes its toll on the body, moreso the kidneys , add things like diuretics etc etc plus other off the wall things that are done in this cult and that "could" of sped up this underlying condition - the facts are millions of people over the years have used and abused steroids at all levels including the highest level - BB included, so how many deaths ? not many if you look at percentages - sure people get sick but out of those millions sooner or later those same people would of got sick - with an underlying condition its bound to happen sooner or later - can drug use namely steroid use be blamed for that ? scare mongering aside no way
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Well the fact he had a preexisiting condition might also have something to do with it - did steroids bring this to the surface ? maybe but noone can say with 100 % FACT that this is true - I'd go more with the Competitive BB lifestyle in full - not just steroids - dehydrating oneself to near death conditions takes its toll on the body, moreso the kidneys , add things like diuretics etc etc plus other off the wall things that are done in this cult and that "could" of sped up this underlying condition - the facts are millions of people over the years have used and abused steroids at all levels including the highest level - BB included, so how many deaths ? not many if you look at percentages - sure people get sick but out of those millions sooner or later those same people would of got sick - with an underlying condition its bound to happen sooner or later - can drug use namely steroid use be blamed for that ? scare mongering aside no way
WHEN AND WHERE DID I SAY IT WAS STER0IDS? I SAID DRUGS.
D0 Y0U KN0W THAT DIEURETICS ARE DRUGS AND S0 ARE NARC0TICS AND PAINKILLERS. THIS IS WHAT CAUSED HIS KIDNEY FAILURE. IF Y0U THINK 0THERWISE Y0U'RE AN IDI0T AND I'M N0T G0ING T0 ARGUE WITH Y0U.
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WHEN AND WHERE DID I SAY IT WAS STER0IDS? I SAID DRUGS.
D0 Y0U KN0W THAT DIEURETICS ARE DRUGS AND S0 ARE NARC0TICS AND PAINKILLERS. THIS IS WHAT CAUSED HIS KIDNEY FAILURE. IF Y0U THINK 0THERWISE Y0U'RE AN IDI0T AND I'M N0T G0ING T0 ARGUE WITH Y0U.
assbruise
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WHEN AND WHERE DID I SAY IT WAS STER0IDS? I SAID DRUGS.
D0 Y0U KN0W THAT DIEURETICS ARE DRUGS AND S0 ARE NARC0TICS AND PAINKILLERS. THIS IS WHAT CAUSED HIS KIDNEY FAILURE. IF Y0U THINK 0THERWISE Y0U'RE AN IDI0T AND I'M N0T G0ING T0 ARGUE WITH Y0U.
Look fuckwit - drug abuse in regards to BB is steroids unless otherwise pointed out - this is factual and accepted - Im not going to argue with you full stop I was pointing something out that remains fact - if you are to stupid to point out you meant narcs and other drugs when BB drugs is or are AAS foremost then thats your fault you twinky looking bullshiting shit stain.. ::)
And you argue with me ? hahahaha fuck off turd breath you think 16 year old girls get PMS you dopey kunt why would I lower myself to argue with a virgin who doesnt know the basic facts or way around a females body ::) let alone the shit you google to get your facts not actualy live it - stupid kunt
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Look fuckwit - drug abuse in regards to BB is steroids unless otherwise pointed out - this is factual and accepted - Im not going to argue with you full stop I was pointing something out that remains fact - if you are to stupid to point out you meant narcs and other drugs when BB drugs is or are AAS foremost then thats your fault you twinky looking bullshiting shit stain.. ::)
And you argue with me ? hahahaha fuck off turd breath you think 16 year old girls get PMS you dopey kunt why would I lower myself to argue with a virgin who doesnt know the basic facts or way around a females body ::) let alone the shit you google to get your facts not actualy live it - stupid kunt
HEY N0W LITTLE B0Y D0N'T CURSE T0 C0VER UP WHAT Y0U SAID. I WAS NEVER REFFERING T0 R0ID USE. ALM0ST EVERY0NE WH0 F0LL0WS BBING KN0WS WHEN PR0S GET VERY SICK IT'S N0T DUE T0 R0ID USE BUT RATHER PAINKILLERS AND DEHYDRATI0N WHICH WAS 0PENLY ADMITTED BY MANY PR0S. EVERY PR0 THAT HAS DIED 0R HAD KIDNEY FAILURE HAD IT BECAUSE 0F EITHER PAIN KILLERS 0R DIEURETICS. N0 REAS0N T0 P0INT IT 0UT WHEN THE 0BVI0US HAPPENED WITH LUKE. Y0U'VE BEEN 0N THIS B0ARD F0R YEARS AND STILL D0N'T KN0W PR0S ABUSE NARC0TICS, PAINKILLERS, AND DIUERETICS. I THINK Y0U D0 BUT WERE JUST TRYING T0 BE A SMART ASS RIGHT. ;) I TH0UGHT IT W0ULD BE 0BVI0US F0R A L0SER WH0 SPENTS HALF HIS LIFE 0N THE F0RUMS.
IN REGARDS T0 PMS, 16 YEAR 0LDS D0 GET IT. PMS C0MES WITH PUBERTY Y0U ILLITERATE IMBECILE. L00K IT UP. IN FACT GIRLS G0 THR0UGH PMS N0W EARLIER THAN THEY EVER DID BECAUSE 0F H0RM0NE BASED MILK. N0W THAT I'VE 0WNED Y0U LIKE A BITCH 0N THE DRUGE ABUSE AND PMS FACTS, I'D LIKE T0 P0INT 0UT THAT I GET M0RE GIRLS IN 0NE WEEK THAN Y0U GET IN THE WH0LE YEAR. SIMPLY BECAUSE Y0U'RE HERE ALL DAY WHILE I'M PICKING GIRLS UP LEFT AND RIGHT. 0H BY THE WAY NICE MELTD0WN. I CAN JUST ENVISI0N Y0U CURSING AT THE SCREEN. ;D
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HEY N0W LITTLE B0Y D0N'T CURSE T0 C0VER UP WHAT Y0U SAID. I WAS NEVER REFFERING T0 R0ID USE. ALM0ST EVERY0NE WH0 F0LL0WS BBING KN0WS WHEN PR0S GET VERY SICK IT'S N0T DUE T0 R0ID USE BUT RATHER PAINKILLERS AND DEHYDRATI0N WHICH WAS 0PENLY ADMITTED BY MANY PR0S. EVERY PR0 THAT HAS DIED 0R HAD KIDNEY FAILURE HAD IT BECAUSE 0F EITHER PAIN KILLERS 0R DIEURETICS. N0 REAS0N T0 P0INT IT 0UT WHEN THE 0BVI0US HAPPENED WITH LUKE. Y0U'VE BEEN 0N THIS B0ARD F0R YEARS AND STILL D0N'T KN0W PR0S ABUSE NARC0TICS, PAINKILLERS, AND DIUERETICS. I THINK Y0U D0 BUT WERE JUST TRYING T0 BE A SMART ASS RIGHT. ;) I TH0UGHT IT W0ULD BE 0BVI0US F0R A L0SER WH0 SPENTS HALF HIS LIFE 0N THE F0RUMS.
IN REGARDS T0 PMS, 16 YEAR 0LDS D0 GET IT. PMS C0MES WITH PUBERTY Y0U ILLITERATE IMBECILE. L00K IT UP. N0W THAT I'VE 0WNED Y0U LIKE A BITCH 0N THE DRUGE ABUSE AND PMS FACTS, I'D LIKE T0 P0INT 0UT THAT I GET M0RE GIRLS IN 0NE WEEK THAN Y0U GET IN THE WH0LE YEAR. SIMPLY BECAUSE Y0U'RE HERE ALL DAY WHILE I'M PICKING GIRLS UP LEFT AND RIGHT. 0H BY THE WAY NICE MELTD0WN. I CAN JUST VISI0N Y0U PULLING Y0UR CURSING AT THE SCREEN. ;D
No fuck stick drug abuse in regards to BB = AAS this is fact stupid... but lets see the proof you have of Lukes narcotic opiate and pain killer addiction shell we - go on post it up ::)
HAHAHA you were claiming they get the symptons of menopause @ 16 yo you dopey kunt.
No, you are a virgin this = fact - you can tell by your epic google knowledge - dressing the guy who took the pics of you just after you got out the shower in a wig and your mums bra and undies does not count as a female no matter how much you wish it does.
Thanks for owning yourself once again fuck knuckle - keep trying with your google knowledge - it makes it very easy stupid ::)
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Maybe a broken "o" on the keyboard, you retard.
lmao, don't know why, but that was funny ;D
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No fuck stick drug abuse in regards to BB = AAS this is fact stupid... but lets see the proof you have of Lukes narcotic opiate and pain killer addiction shell we - go on post it up ::)
HAHAHA you were claiming they get the symptons of menopause @ 16 yo you dopey kunt.
No, you are a virgin this = fact - you can tell by your epic google knowledge - dressing the guy who took the pics of you just after you got out the shower in a wig and your mums bra and undies does not count as a female no matter how much you wish it does.
Thanks for owning yourself once again fuck knuckle - keep trying with your google knowledge - it makes it very easy stupid ::)
1. S0ME 16 YEAR 0LD D0 GET PMS AT 16 THAT'S A FACT.
2.Y0U SPENT Y0UR LIFE HERE. S0 IT'S N0T P0SSIBLE F0R Y0U T0 MEET W0MEN. THAT'S A FACT ALS0.
3. DRUG ABUSE IN BBING WHEN RELATED T0 KIDNEY FAILURE IS NEVER TIED T0 R0IDS WHICH IS WHAT LUKE'S CASE IS. DRUG ABUSE IN B0DYBUILDING IS N0T 0NLY TIED T0 AAS BUT DIUERETICS AND PAINKILLERS. THESE ARE ABUSED JUST AS MUCH AS AAS. Y0U FUMBLED 0N IT WHEN I CALLED Y0U 0UT 0N Y0UR STUPID THE0RY IGN0RING THE FACT THAT LUKE HAD KIDNEY FAILURE WHICH IS NEVER BEEN PR0VEN T0 BE CAUSED BY R0ID USE BUT ALWAYS CAUSED BY PAINKILLERS AND EXTREME DEHYDRATI0N CAUSED BY 0THER DRUGS.
IT'S S0 SAD WHEN S0ME0NE WH0'S BEEN HERE F0R YEARS THINKS THAT M0DERN DAY BBING IS 0NLY STRICTLY TIED T0 AAS ABUSE. Y0U THINK LUKE'S CASE WAS GENETICS. N0THING ELSE T0 SAY Y0U'RE A FUCKING M0R0N.
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1. S0ME 16 YEAR 0LD D0 GET PMS AT 16 THAT'S A FACT.
2.Y0U SPENT Y0UR LIFE HERE.
3. DRUG ABUSE IN BBING WHEN RELATED T0 KIDNEY FAILURE IS NEVER TIED T0 R0IDS WHICH IS WHAT LUKE'S CASE IS.
1. You are melting as you pressed reply before finishing your first sentence.. you said first up in the other thread menopause... now with 16 yo's? Shit I have fucked more 16 yo's than you have had conversations with females fullstop - this again is fact and legal here and have yet to meet one with PMS - run along little boy your knowledge from google makes you look so stupid as you lack REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE..
2.Not really but it's the best board to come to in regards to BB
3.Thats not what you said at the start and please present facts of Lukes narcotic opiate and pain killer abuse.High protein diets as far as the medical community are concerned cause kidney issues to ::)
4.You are an idiot..
And this post is not pointing to anything you now say about narcs and pain killers - Drug abuse in BB is AAS fact!!!! Luke had an underlying condition but I'll wait on your facts and proof of his narcotic abuse shell I ? ???
HIS KIDNEY TRANSPLANT WAS A RESULT 0F DRUG ABUSE.
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1. You are melting as you pressed reply before finishing your first sentence.. you said first up in the other thread menopause... now with 16 yo's? Shit I have fucked more 16 yo's than you have had conversations with females fullstop - this again is fact and legal here and have yet to meet one with PMS - run along little boy your knowledge from google makes you look so stupid as you lack REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE..
2.Not really but it's the best board to come to in regards to BB
3.Thats not what you said at the start and please present facts of Lukes narcotic opiate and pain killer abuse.High protein diets as far as the medical community are concerned cause kidney issues to ::)
4.You are an idiot..
And this post is not pointing to anything you now say about narcs and pain killers - Drug abuse in BB is AAS fact!!!! Luke had an underlying condition but I'll wait on your facts and proof of his narcotic abuse shell I ? ???
BECAUSE Y0U HAVEN'T MET ANY IS C0MPLETLY IRRELEVEANT. THERE ARE MILLI0NS 0F 16 YEAR 0LD FEMALES 0N PLANET EARTH. L00K AT Y0U STUD, PIMPING THEM 16 YEAR 0LDS. I'M S0 JEAL0US 0F Y0U. ::) L0L AT Y0U THINKING Y0U HAVE REAL W0RLD EXPERIENCE BECAUSE Y0U HAD SEX WITH 16 YEAR 0LDS. Y0U FUCKING L0SER. A GR0WN MAN SPENDING TIME WITH A 16 YEAR 0LD. EXPLAINS WHY Y0U'RE HERE ALL DAY.
N0 S0RRY HIGH PR0TEIN DIETS D0 N0T CAUSE KINDEY FAILURE AND HAVE N0T BEEN PR0VEN IN THE LITERATURE BUT PAINKILLERS AND DIUERETIC ABUSE HAVE BEEN PR0VEN T0 CAUSE KINDEY FAILURE. G00GLE ISN'T BAD Y0U KN0W. Y0U SH0ULD USE IT S0METIME.
N0 DRUG ABUSE IN BBING IS N0T 0NLY AAS RELATED DUMB FUCK. IT'S GH, INSULIN, PAINKILLERS, AND DIUERETICS, ETC....
Y0U HAVE N0 RIGHT T0 CALL ANY0NE AN IDI0T. Y0U THINK LUKE'S CASE WAS GENETICS. THIS IS BEY0ND LAUGHABLE.
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IT'S S0 SAD WHEN S0ME0NE WH0'S BEEN HERE F0R YEARS THINKS THAT M0DERN DAY BBING IS 0NLY STRICTLY TIED T0 AAS ABUSE. Y0U THINK LUKE'S CASE WAS GENETICS. N0THING ELSE T0 SAY Y0U'RE A FUCKING M0R0N.
Fuck wit are you completly stupid or do I have to type s-l-o-w-e-r.
He had an underlying condition but you said
HIS KIDNEY TRANSPLANT WAS A RESULT 0F DRUG ABUSE.
Where the fuck does that mention anything to do with narcotics or pain killers - drug abuse in BB IS steroid abuse you skinny little twink bottom - I know abuse of other substances take place in BB check my second post toward you idiot ::)
Well the fact he had a preexisiting condition might also have something to do with it - did steroids bring this to the surface ? maybe but noone can say with 100 % FACT that this is true - I'd go more with the Competitive BB lifestyle in full - not just steroids - dehydrating oneself to near death conditions takes its toll on the body, moreso the kidneys , add things like diuretics etc etc plus other off the wall things that are done in this cult and that "could" of sped up this underlying condition - the facts are millions of people over the years have used and abused steroids at all levels including the highest level - BB included, so how many deaths ? not many if you look at percentages - sure people get sick but out of those millions sooner or later those same people would of got sick - with an underlying condition its bound to happen sooner or later - can drug use namely steroid use be blamed for that ? scare mongering aside no way
but now where is your proof this is the reason in Lukes case when he had an underlying genetic condition - are you that thick or what ? ??? honestly you are so stupid its like conversing with a caveman thats had half his brain removed.. retard stupid..
Now present your proof lukes death was caused by narcs or pain killers - idiot you cant can you ::) .. so run the fuck along little boy
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BECAUSE Y0U HAVEN'T MET ANY IS C0MPLETLY IRRELEVEANT. THERE ARE MILLI0NS 0F 16 YEAR 0LD FEMALES 0N PLANET EARTH. L00K AT Y0U STUD, PIMPING THEM 16 YEAR 0LDS. I'M S0 JEAL0US 0F Y0U. ::) L0L AT Y0U THINKING Y0U HAVE REAL W0RLD EXPERIENCE BECAUSE Y0U HAD SEX WITH 16 YEAR 0LDS. Y0U FUCKING L0SER. A GR0WN MAN SPENDING TIME WITH A 16 YEAR 0LD. EXPLAINS WHY Y0U'RE HERE ALL DAY.
N0 S0RRY HIGH PR0TEIN DIETS D0 N0T CAUSE KINDEY FAILURE AND HAVE N0T BEEN PR0VEN IN THE LITERATURE BUT PAINKILLERS AND DIUERETIC ABUSE HAVE BEEN PR0VEN T0 CAUSE KINDEY FAILURE. G00GLE ISN'T BAD Y0U KN0W. Y0U SH0ULD USE IT S0METIME.
N0 DRUG ABUSE IN BBING IS N0T 0NLY AAS RELATED DUMB FUCK. IT'S GH, INSULIN, PAINKILLERS, AND DIUERETICS, ETC....
Y0U HAVE N0 RIGHT T0 CALL ANY0NE AN IDI0T. Y0U THINK LUKE'S CASE WAS GENETICS. THIS IS BEY0ND LAUGHABLE.
Yawn - you are a fuckin idiot full stop.. now run along little boy - actualy do you have a sister by chance ? :D
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Fuck wit are you completly stupid or do I have to type s-l-o-w-e-r.
He had an underlying condition but you said
Where the fuck does that mention anything to do with narcotics or pain killers - drug abuse in BB IS steroid abuse you skinny little twink bottom - I know abuse of other substances take place in BB check my second post toward you idiot ::)
but now where is your proof this is the reason in Lukes case when he had an underlying genetic condition - are you that thick or what ? ??? honestly you are so stupid its like conversing with a caveman thats had half his brain removed.. retard stupid..
Now present your proof lukes death was caused by narcs or pain killers - idiot you cant can you ::) .. so run the fuck along little boy
UNDERLYING C0NDITI0N. LIKE FLEX, PRINCE, AND D0N L0NG RIGHT? Y0U GULLIBLE SHEEP. TELL ME WHAT WAS THE C0NDITI0N D0 Y0U KN0W?
BECAUSE DRUG ABUSE D0ES N0T HAVE T0 BE RELATED T0 STER0IDS. WHY CAN'T Y0U GET THIS THR0UGH Y0UR THICK SKULL? HIM BEING A PR0 BBER D0ES N0T MEAN HE 0NLY GETS SICK FR0M R0ID USE. Y0U KEEP REPEATING THE SAME FUCKING THING BUT BECAUSE BBING IS ASS0CIATED WITH STER0ID ABUSE IS IRRELEVANT. ANY PR0 THAT HAS HAD KIDNEY FAILURE HAS HAD IT DUE T0 PAINKILLERS. IF Y0U D0N'T UNDERSTAND THIS Y0U ARE BY THE BIGGEST M0R0N 0N THIS SITE. BAR N0NE. HERE SAY IT SL0WLY WITH ME. DRUG ABUSE CAN EQUAL = 0THER DRUGS N0T RELATING T0 STER0IDS (BBING 0R N0T.)
HIS C0NDITI0N WAS CAUSED BY DRUGS. DRUGS = MANY 0THER SUBSTANCES UNRELATED T0 STER0IDS SUCH AS PAINKILLERS WHICH ARE PR0VEN T0 CAUSE KIDNEY FAILURE AND HAVE HAPPENED T0 MANY 0THER PR0S. I REALLY THINK Y0UR M0M DID N0T BREAST FEED Y0U.
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UNDERLYING C0NDITI0N. LIKE FLEX, PRINCE, AND D0N L0NG RIGHT? Y0U GULLIBLE SHEEP.
Y0U KEEP REPEATING THE SAME FUCKING THING BUT BECAUSE BBING IS ASS0CIATED WITH STER0ID ABUSE IS IRRELEVANT. HIS C0NDITI0N WAS CAUSED BY DRUGS. DRUGS = MANY 0THER SUBSTANCES UNRELATED T0 STER0IDS SUCH AS PAINKILLERS WHICH ARE PR0VEN T0 CAUSE KIDNEY FAILURE AND HAVE HAPPENED T0 MANY 0THER PR0S.
Again Yawnnnnn - where is your proof when the fact is he had an underlying condition fact !! - My second post to you was on the money you simple twink , in saying it was the BB lifestyle - dehydration - blood pressure all proberly played a hand in lukes hand he was finaly delt and yes his diet - he used to consume 100 grms of protein per meal 6-8 times a day again FACT!! That sort of consumption will put a strain on the kidneys add the other stuff then it is the BB lifestyle not one simple thing. now bring facts that Luke abused narcs and pain killers or stfu you fucking idiot clown. ::)
Go back and read my second post fuckstick - where did I say it was roid use - i said the BB LIFESTYLE - you said DRUG ABUSE which in BB terms is accepted as AAS use or abuse - if you were pointing at narcotics then you shouldnt of said drug abuse as this is accepted as steroids in relation to BB idiot.. dont bring up kidneys being associated with just narcs also - because the facts are its a combination of things - so the LIFESTYLE of a pro - if it was just narcotics and pain meds then why then are not all of the pros dropping dead ? we have had maybe 10 with issues in the last 20 years ::) - Diet - dehydration - BP - pain killers - steroids are all in this not just narcs and pain killers - hence why I said the BB lifestyle - christ you are stupid - again please present the proof that Luke even abused pain killers Im waiting ::)
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assbruise gets ass-raped.
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Again Yawnnnnn - where is your proof when the fact is he had an underlying condition fact !! - My second post to you was on the money you simple twink , in saying it was the BB lifestyle - dehydration - blood pressure all proberly played a hand in lukes hand he was finaly delt and yes his diet - he used to consume 100 grms of protein per meal 6-8 times a day again FACT!! That sort of consumption will put a strain on the kidneys add the other stuff then it is the BB lifestyle not one simple thing. now bring facts that Luke abused narcs and pain killers or stfu you fucking idiot clown. ::)
Go back and read my second post fuckstick - where did I say it was roid use - i said the BB LIFESTYLE - you said DRUG ABUSE which in BB terms is accepted as AAS use or abuse - if you were pointing at narcotics then you shouldnt of said drug abuse as this is accepted as steroids in relation to BB idiot.. dont bring up kidneys being associated with just narcs also - because the facts are its a combination of things - so the LIFESTYLE of a pro - if it was just narcotics and pain meds then why then are not all of the pros dropping dead ? we have had maybe 10 with issues in the last 20 years ::) - Diet - dehydration - BP - pain killers - steroids are all in this not just narcs and pain killers - hence why I said the BB lifestyle - christ you are stupid - again please present the proof that Luke even abused pain killers Im waiting ::)
S0 TELL ME WHAT WAS THE C0NDITI0N. I'M STILL WAITING F0R Y0U T0 TELL ME?
HAHA. DEHYDRATI0N AND BL00D PRESSURE IS N0T THE B0DYBUILDING LIFESTYLE. TH0SE ARE C0NDITI0NS CAUSED BY MEGA ABUSE 0F DRUGS SUCH AS DIEURETICS, R0IDS, AND PAINKILLERS. PR0TEIN INTAKE AND KIDNEY FAILURE IS N0T PR0VEN IN THE LITERATURE BUT PAINKILLER ABUSE IS. STER0ID USE IS ALS0 N0T TIED T0 KIDNEY FAILURE IN THE LITERATURE. Acetaminophen IS THE NUMBER 0NE CAUSE 0F KIDNEY DAMAGE IN THE U.S. Y0U CAN 0VERD0ES 0N TYLEN0L AND END UP IN THE H0SPITAL WITH SEVERE KIDNEY DAMAGE. BECAUSE THE 0THER PR0S HAVEN'T 0VERD0SED 0N THE STUFF LIKE HE HAS. IT'S FUCKING C0MM0N SENSE. ALL PR0S WH0 HAD KIDNEY FAILURE ADMITTED IT WAS DUE T0 PAINKILLERS. LUKE W00D WAS A HEAVY DRUG ABUSER WHICH IS WHY HE WENT T0 THE H0SPITAL AFTER C0NTEST UNDER MIL0S.
DRUG ABUSE D0ES N0T HAVE T0 BE STER0ID RELATED F0R THE TENTH TIME BBING 0R N0T. BECAUSE LUKE W00D IS A BBER IT D0SEN'T MEAN HE WASN'T ABUSING 0THER DRUGS WHICH LED T0 HIS KIDNDEY FAILURE. EVEN IF BBING IS 0NLY AAS RELATED WHICH IT IS N0T, IT D0SEN'T CHANGE THE FACTS THAT LUKE W00DS DIED FR0M 0THER DRUGS MAKING IT DRUG ABUSE.
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assbruise gets ass-raped.
CAN'T GET ASS RAPED BY A GUY WH0 THINKS THAT LUKE W00D'S DEATH WAS GENETICS. IT'S IMP0SSIBLE.
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CAN'T GET ASS RAPED BY A GUY WH0 THINKS THAT LUKE W00D'S DEATH WAS GENETICS. IT'S IMP0SSIBLE.
::) ::) ::)
assbruise.
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S0 TELL ME WHAT WAS THE C0NDITI0N. I'M STILL WAITING F0R Y0U T0 TELL ME?
HAHA. DEHYDRATI0N AND BL00D PRESSURE IS N0T THE B0DYBUILDING LIFESTYLE. TH0SE ARE C0NDITI0NS CAUSED BY MEGA ABUSE 0F DRUGS SUCH AS DIEURETICS, R0IDS, AND PAINKILLERS. PR0TEIN INTAKE AND KIDNEY FAILURE IS N0T PR0VEN IN THE LITERATURE BUT PAINKILLER ABUSE IS. STER0ID USE IS ALS0 N0T TIED T0 KIDNEY FAILURE IN THE LITERATURE. Acetaminophen IS THE NUMBER 0NE CAUSE 0F KIDNEY DAMAGE IN THE U.S. Y0U CAN 0VERD0ES 0N TYLEN0L AND END UP IN THE H0SPITAL WITH SEVERE KIDNEY DAMAGE. BECAUSE THE 0THER PR0S HAVEN'T 0VERD0SED 0N THE STUFF LIKE HE HAS. IT'S FUCKING C0MM0N SENSE. ALL PR0S WH0 HAD KIDNEY FAILURE ADMITTED IT WAS DUE T0 PAINKILLERS. LUKE W00D WAS A HEAVY DRUG ABUSER WHICH IS WHY HE WENT T0 THE H0SPITAL AFTER C0NTEST UNDER MIL0S.
DRUG ABUSE D0ES N0T HAVE T0 BE STER0ID RELATED F0R THE TENTH TIME BBING 0R N0T. BECAUSE LUKE W00D IS A BBER IT D0SEN'T MEAN HE WASN'T ABUSING 0THER DRUGS WHICH LED T0 HIS KIDNDEY FAILURE. EVEN IF BBING IS 0NLY AAS RELATED WHICH IT IS N0T, IT D0SEN'T CHANGE THE FACTS THAT LUKE W00DS DIED FR0M 0THER DRUGS MAKING IT DRUG ABUSE.
Buy a new fucking keyboard you fucking gay kunt ::)
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Well the fact he had a preexisiting condition might also have something to do with it - did steroids bring this to the surface ? maybe but noone can say with 100 % FACT that this is true - I'd go more with the Competitive BB lifestyle in full - not just steroids - dehydrating oneself to near death conditions takes its toll on the body, moreso the kidneys , add things like diuretics etc etc plus other off the wall things that are done in this cult and that "could" of sped up this underlying condition - the facts are millions of people over the years have used and abused steroids at all levels including the highest level - BB included, so how many deaths ? not many if you look at percentages - sure people get sick but out of those millions sooner or later those same people would of got sick - with an underlying condition its bound to happen sooner or later - can drug use namely steroid use be blamed for that ? scare mongering aside no way
Yep. Double yep.
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Buy a new fucking keyboard you fucking gay kunt ::)
Ha saves all his money for OTC steroids, no money for a keyboard. :'( :'( :'( :'(
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CAN'T GET ASS RAPED BY A GUY WH0 THINKS THAT LUKE W00D'S DEATH WAS GENETICS. IT'S IMP0SSIBLE.
Are you that fuckin stupid ? Where did I say it was purely genetic ? you are such a dense kunt its mind boggling - I said he had an underlying disorder which has been confirmed - you are claiming it was caused purely by Drug abuse which is false you stupid kunt.. did the drugs speed up this underlying condition ? maybe - if you are predisposed to an illness living the BB lifestlye would surely not help so a ticking time bomb..
You have no proof what so ever that pain killers or narcotic abuse caused this in Luke or that he even took them in huge or even small amounts - it has been confirmed that there was an underlying condition so genetic but like I have been saying from the start you can not point to one simple cause as the BB lifestyle has many triggers that could trigger this underlying condition to come to the surface..
You Stupid Know Nothing Kunt
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Ha saves all his money for OTC steroids, no money for a keyboard. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Id stomp on this kunts head if I ever saw him in the street - the guy is so fuckin stupid that every breath is a waste to this earth.. - no rage or meltdown :D
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Are you that fuckin stupid ? Where did I say it was purely genetic ? you are such a dense kunt its mind boggling - I said he had an underlying disorder which has been confirmed - you are claiming it was caused purely by Drug abuse which is false you stupid kunt.. did the drugs speed up this underlying condition ? maybe - if you are predisposed to an illness living the BB lifestlye would surely not help so a ticking time bomb..
You have no proof what so ever that pain killers or narcotic abuse caused this in Luke or that he even took them in huge or even small amounts - it has been confirmed that there was an underlying condition so genetic but like I have been saying from the start you can not point to one simple cause as the BB lifestyle has many triggers that could trigger this underlying condition to come to the surface..
You Stupid Know Nothing Kunt
::)
ALL I KN0W IS THAT Y0U'RE MAD AND MELTING AND I L0VE IT. ;D THE REST.................... .
(http://menversus.com/images/obamahillaryjoedancing2.gif)
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Ha saves all his money for OTC steroids, no money for a keyboard. :'( :'( :'( :'(
BEEN PR0VEN I'M NATURAL. S0ME0NE IS JELLY. :D
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ALL I KN0W IS THAT Y0U'RE MAD AND MELTING AND I L0VE IT. ;D THE REST.................... .
(http://menversus.com/images/obamahillaryjoedancing2.gif)
Wrong fa990t - just dumbfounded at how thick you are.. again run along little boy
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ALL I KN0W IS THAT Y0U'RE MAD AND MELTING AND I L0VE IT. ;D THE REST.................... .
(http://menversus.com/images/obamahillaryjoedancing2.gif)
And still waiting on pics of your sister :D :P
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Its a shame that such a good topic sands again in flaming and bashing. You don't have to agree with each other, thats why its a DISCUSSION form.
I especially like the subjects of injectable 17 alpha methylated oral available roids. Old scientific studies patents from Ciba shows that from the beginning Ciba patented injectable Dianabol I wrote about it here: http://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/content/dianabolr-history-use-and-dosages
Personally I believe its only a fraction hepatotoxic compared to oral usage and even that is highly exagerated. The old Ciba research also showed that an increased metabolism (by example from using T3 increases excretion and thus decreases bioavailability)
Also the fact (?) that IV is superior to sub-q?
A detailed pamphlet on subcutaneous injections in PDF form is available from the National Institutes of Health. It provides background, detailed instructions and some useful tips. It will be particularly useful to patients who elect to self-administer any part of their therapy in this form and generally helpful to anyone who wants to understand this important delivery mechanism.
The effect of the size of the drug molecule makes a difference. Remember, we said blood capillaries are like fine tubes with very small pores through which stuff passes from the blood system into the lymph pools around cells. Drugs that are composed of small, water soluble molecules are readily taken up by the blood circulation. Larger molecules, or those that are more fat soluble, do not find it easy to get in through the fine holes in the blood capillaries. These types of drug molecules stay in the lymphatic system, gradually working their way through the many lymph nodes and the like, until they are finally returned back into the blood circulation when the lymph drains back at the junction of your jugular and subclavian veins.
Sounds interesting, right? If even a small percent of the drug travels through the lymphatic system, as opposed to the general blood circulation, you might expect to get more bang for the buck, right? Right. The second abstract below shows that subcutaneous injection is more efficient than intravenous administration, for fludarabine administration in Lupus. The efficiency of oral, IV and subcutaneous administration are, respectively, 54: 100: 105.
The formulations of the old injectables where amde of PEG and PG. Newer ones with "super solvent" Guiacogol and today with newer methods like cold solving and "wetting" I posted about it here:
http://juicedmuscle.com/showthread.php?4648-Oxy-ject&p=37811
http://juicedmuscle.com/archive/index.php/t-4249.html
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Its a shame that such a good topic sands again in flaming and bashing. You don't have to agree with each other, thats why its a DISCUSSION form.
I especially like the subjects of injectable 17 alpha methylated oral available roids. Old scientific studies patents from Ciba shows that from the beginning Ciba patented injectable Dianabol I wrote about it here: http://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/content/dianabolr-history-use-and-dosages
Personally I believe its only a fraction hepatotoxic compared to oral usage and even that is highly exagerated. The old Ciba research also showed that an increased metabolism (by example from using T3 increases excretion and thus decreases bioavailability)
Also the fact (?) that IV is superior to sub-q?
A detailed pamphlet on subcutaneous injections in PDF form is available from the National Institutes of Health. It provides background, detailed instructions and some useful tips. It will be particularly useful to patients who elect to self-administer any part of their therapy in this form and generally helpful to anyone who wants to understand this important delivery mechanism.
The effect of the size of the drug molecule makes a difference. Remember, we said blood capillaries are like fine tubes with very small pores through which stuff passes from the blood system into the lymph pools around cells. Drugs that are composed of small, water soluble molecules are readily taken up by the blood circulation. Larger molecules, or those that are more fat soluble, do not find it easy to get in through the fine holes in the blood capillaries. These types of drug molecules stay in the lymphatic system, gradually working their way through the many lymph nodes and the like, until they are finally returned back into the blood circulation when the lymph drains back at the junction of your jugular and subclavian veins.
Sounds interesting, right? If even a small percent of the drug travels through the lymphatic system, as opposed to the general blood circulation, you might expect to get more bang for the buck, right? Right. The second abstract below shows that subcutaneous injection is more efficient than intravenous administration, for fludarabine administration in Lupus. The efficiency of oral, IV and subcutaneous administration are, respectively, 54: 100: 105.
The formulations of the old injectables where amde of PEG and PG. Newer ones with "super solvent" Guiacogol and today with newer methods like cold solving and "wetting" I posted about it here:
http://juicedmuscle.com/showthread.php?4648-Oxy-ject&p=37811
http://juicedmuscle.com/archive/index.php/t-4249.html
Ronny please post on getbig more
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So in essence sub q is the best way to for gh correct?
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So in essence sub q is the best way to for gh correct?
And for injectable Dianabol ???
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Wow! RonnyT is here. This here is the real deal. Bow down, bitches.
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Wow! RonnyT is here. This here is the real deal. Bow down, bitches.
Who is he?
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Its a shame that such a good topic sands again in flaming and bashing. You don't have to agree with each other, thats why its a DISCUSSION form.
I especially like the subjects of injectable 17 alpha methylated oral available roids. Old scientific studies patents from Ciba shows that from the beginning Ciba patented injectable Dianabol I wrote about it here: http://juicedmuscle.com/jmblog/content/dianabolr-history-use-and-dosages
Personally I believe its only a fraction hepatotoxic compared to oral usage and even that is highly exagerated. The old Ciba research also showed that an increased metabolism (by example from using T3 increases excretion and thus decreases bioavailability)
Also the fact (?) that IV is superior to sub-q?
A detailed pamphlet on subcutaneous injections in PDF form is available from the National Institutes of Health. It provides background, detailed instructions and some useful tips. It will be particularly useful to patients who elect to self-administer any part of their therapy in this form and generally helpful to anyone who wants to understand this important delivery mechanism.
The effect of the size of the drug molecule makes a difference. Remember, we said blood capillaries are like fine tubes with very small pores through which stuff passes from the blood system into the lymph pools around cells. Drugs that are composed of small, water soluble molecules are readily taken up by the blood circulation. Larger molecules, or those that are more fat soluble, do not find it easy to get in through the fine holes in the blood capillaries. These types of drug molecules stay in the lymphatic system, gradually working their way through the many lymph nodes and the like, until they are finally returned back into the blood circulation when the lymph drains back at the junction of your jugular and subclavian veins.
Sounds interesting, right? If even a small percent of the drug travels through the lymphatic system, as opposed to the general blood circulation, you might expect to get more bang for the buck, right? Right. The second abstract below shows that subcutaneous injection is more efficient than intravenous administration, for fludarabine administration in Lupus. The efficiency of oral, IV and subcutaneous administration are, respectively, 54: 100: 105.
The formulations of the old injectables where amde of PEG and PG. Newer ones with "super solvent" Guiacogol and today with newer methods like cold solving and "wetting" I posted about it here:
http://juicedmuscle.com/showthread.php?4648-Oxy-ject&p=37811
http://juicedmuscle.com/archive/index.php/t-4249.html
Great post, please post more.
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Who is he?
I think gh15 once referred to him as one of the angels of the cult.
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Who is he?
Ronnie Coleman.
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Ronnie Coleman.
Ronny T is Connie Roleman
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Nooo, I'm Ronny Tober writer/researcher for BodyPage.nl later for Body-of-Science and nowedays for Juicedmuscle.com
Ronny T is Connie Roleman
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The following are the exact dosages of an offseason blast of a current top pro. Hope this puts in perspective the BS pro cycles that get posted every now and then.
Weeks 1-12
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100mg injectable dbol ed (first 8 weeks)
100mg TNE ed
500mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
200mg test prop ed
200mg NPP ed
25iu humalog before meals and before training
20iu gh injected iv immediately post workout 3x per week, 10iu gh injected IM 2x per week (other 2 training days), 10iu split dose into 5am 5 mid day injected subq on off days
Weeks 13-24
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100mg TNE ed
750mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
300mg test prop ed
200mg tren ace ed
25iu humalog before meals, 35iu before training
30iu gh injected iv post workout on all training days, 15iu subq on off days split dose 5am/5 mid day/5 evening
Weeks 25-34
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200mg injectable anadrol ed
150mg TNE ed
1,000mg test cyp eod
600mg equipoise eod
400mg test prop ed
25iu humalog before meals, 40iu before training
35iu injected iv everyday in one shot
Just came across this thread. Are these dosages for real? Don't know how anyone can run tren at 200mg ed for that long
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Just came across this thread. Are these dosages for real? Don't know how anyone can run tren at 200mg ed for that long
Im sure if bfg was still with us he'd say being able to run those kind of doses is part of the genetic equation that separates the pros from gym rats, plus all the extra drugs to manage anxiety, sleep etc