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One in four Democrats wants to dump Obama
by Byron York Chief Political Correspondent
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http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/one-four-democrats-wants-dump-obama
A new poll by CNN and ORC International finds that 27 percent of Democrats would like to see their party nominate a candidate other than Barack Obama for president in 2012.
In response to the question, "Do you think the Democratic party should renominate Barack Obama as the party's candidate for president in 2012, or do you think the Democratic party should nominate a different candidate for president in 2012?" -- 72 percent said they wanted to see Obama renominated. But 27 percent, slightly more than one in every four, said they wanted to see Democrats nominate a different candidate. One percent had no opinion.
The poll was taken August 24-25. In a survey taken in early August, 28 percent of Democrats said they wanted a different candidate. Polls taken in July and before showed Obama in a stronger position, with no more than 22 percent saying they preferred a different candidate. The current poll is based on interviews with 463 Democrats and has a margin of error of 4.5 percent.
The new poll is another indication of Democratic unhappiness with the president, but it does not mean Obama will face a challenge in his party's primaries. Despite the complaints of a few liberals like Sen. Bernard Sanders, the odds of a Democrat opposing the president appear to be something less than zero. But the new poll is still a matter of concern to Democrats, because it is yet another indication that there is significant disillusionment with the president within his own party. Whether those disaffected Democrats will come around to supporting Obama next year is an open question -- and perhaps the most worrying of the president's re-election bid.
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One and done.
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:o He is so screwed. Cannot move to the left to shore up his base without further alienating the independents and Republicans who put him in office.
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Lurker straw and others tell me I am cracked for thinking he is in serious trouble.
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One in four Democrats wants to dump Obama
by Byron York Chief Political Correspondent
Follow on Twitter:@byronyork
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/one-four-democrats-wants-dump-obama
A new poll by CNN and ORC International finds that 27 percent of Democrats would like to see their party nominate a candidate other than Barack Obama for president in 2012.
In response to the question, "Do you think the Democratic party should renominate Barack Obama as the party's candidate for president in 2012, or do you think the Democratic party should nominate a different candidate for president in 2012?" -- 72 percent said they wanted to see Obama renominated. But 27 percent, slightly more than one in every four, said they wanted to see Democrats nominate a different candidate. One percent had no opinion.
The poll was taken August 24-25. In a survey taken in early August, 28 percent of Democrats said they wanted a different candidate. Polls taken in July and before showed Obama in a stronger position, with no more than 22 percent saying they preferred a different candidate. The current poll is based on interviews with 463 Democrats and has a margin of error of 4.5 percent.
The new poll is another indication of Democratic unhappiness with the president, but it does not mean Obama will face a challenge in his party's primaries. Despite the complaints of a few liberals like Sen. Bernard Sanders, the odds of a Democrat opposing the president appear to be something less than zero. But the new poll is still a matter of concern to Democrats, because it is yet another indication that there is significant disillusionment with the president within his own party. Whether those disaffected Democrats will come around to supporting Obama next year is an open question -- and perhaps the most worrying of the president's re-election bid.
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One and done.
perfect example of how you pick one part of one article that you think supports your belief and just ignore the rest of it
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Lurker straw and others tell me I am cracked for thinking he is in serious trouble.
At this point, I don't see how he wins a second term. Politics aside, the man is incompetent. His record is terrible. He has displayed terrible judgment. He failed to keep numerous promises.
That's why his poll numbers are so bad. It's a reflection of his job performance.
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At this point, I don't see how he wins a second term. Politics aside, the man is incompetent. His record is terrible. He has displayed terrible judgment. He failed to keep numerous promises.
That's why his poll numbers are so bad. It's a reflection of his job performance.
The poll numbers are bad because the economy is bad and folks expect the President (any President) to be a miracle worker. Politicians make promises they can't keep all the time. I am not saying this is right; it just is. As for the other failings you mention regarding President Obama, that is a matter of opinion, probably yours. Time will tell if he was a President worth his salt or not.
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At this point, I don't see how he wins a second term. Politics aside, the man is incompetent. His record is terrible. He has displayed terrible judgment. He failed to keep numerous promises.
That's why his poll numbers are so bad. It's a reflection of his job performance.
simple
Repubs nominate a weak and flawed candidate
Any one of the top three would fit the bill
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Obamacare alone will make him a one term potus.
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At this point, I don't see how he wins a second term. Politics aside, the man is incompetent. His record is terrible. He has displayed terrible judgment. He failed to keep numerous promises.
That's why his poll numbers are so bad. It's a reflection of his job performance.
The problem is going to be is that you still have a lot of people (like the one's on here) who still believe it's Bush's fault and it's going to take a second term for Obama to fix it, that, and still more people (the lazy one's) who believe that Obama is still going to pay their bills (Benny).
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simple
Repubs nominate a weak and flawed candidate
Any one of the top three would fit the bill
No one and I mean NO ONE is more flawed than Obama, not even Carter.
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No one and I mean NO ONE is more flawed than Obama, not even Carter.
I can think of at least 3 who are more flawed
Romney
Bachmann
Perry
none of them will have the broad appeal to do well in a general election
people will hold their nose and vote for Obama
Let's hope that the tea party backlish will continue to grow and by the time of the general election the Dems can wind back the house and solidify the majority in the Senate
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Are you nuts? Rommney is ahed in florida, bama has horrible numbers in pa, and is at 38 in gallup.
Romney would kill obama at this point.
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Are you nuts? Rommney is ahed in florida, bama has horrible numbers in pa, and is at 38 in gallup.
Romney would kill obama at this point.
anyone who thinks they can predcit an election from 15 months out is nuts
shit, McCain was beating Obama in the polls until a few weeks before he got stomped like a bug
The Repubs, as of yet, have NO ONE that will present a challenge to Obama
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anyone who thinks they can predcit an election from 15 months out is nuts
shit, McCain was beating Obama in the polls until a few weeks before he got stomped like a bug
The Repubs, as of yet, have NO ONE that will present a challenge to Obama
This is true - Mccain did lead Obama in some polls in summer 2008.
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This is true - Mccain did lead Obama in some polls in summer 2008.
Yeah for about a week.
Again - what you guys forget is that Bama had every possible advantage in 2008 and still only won by 5 points.
Now, with his horrible record of failure if he loses only a few percentage points he loses.
Can anyone possibly say he is more popular now than in 2008?
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Bama had every possible advantage in 2008 and still only won by 5 points.
this is true... the reverend wright video playing 24/7 on FOX was a major advantage.
And a middle name like "Hussein" being beought up 24/7 really helped too.
Come to think of it, Rush Limbaugh hinting about a non-existent "whitey tape" definitely helped him too.
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This is true - Mccain did lead Obama in some polls in summer 2008.
since when did a facts matter to 333
he still thinks Obama isn't running even though the article he posted to support such a claim stated there was less than there was less than a zero chance of a Dem challenger.
the dude lives in his own fantasy world
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since when did a facts matter to 333
he still thinks Obama isn't running even though the article he posted to support such a claim stated there was less than there was less than a zero chance of a Dem challenger.
the dude lives in his own fantasy world
cCain led for a small period at best but ran a horrible campaign and that was before the economy tanked in lae September and McCain suspended his campaign.
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cCain led for a small period at best but ran a horrible campaign and that was before the economy tanked in lae September and McCain suspended his campaign.
yeah and what kind of campaign do you think Romney or Bachmann or Perry is going to run
Obama is going to look, speak and appear Presidential next to those idiots
Still though, I expect you'll be in denial that Obama is even running right up until election night
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yeah and what kind of campaign do you think Romney or Bachmann or Perry is going to run
Obama is going to look, speak and appear Presidential next to those idiots
Still though, I expect you'll be in denial that Obama is even running right up until election night
McCain was a disaster and did not remotely motive the base to coe out. the base is so fired up to oust Obama, a potted plant will be better than Obama.
I have worked elections for years and can say McCain was the worst I have ever seen by far, no ground game, nothing. Romney or perry won't have that issue.
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The poll numbers are bad because the economy is bad and folks expect the President (any President) to be a miracle worker. Politicians make promises they can't keep all the time. I am not saying this is right; it just is. As for the other failings you mention regarding President Obama, that is a matter of opinion, probably yours. Time will tell if he was a President worth his salt or not.
It's true the poll numbers are bad in large part because of the economy. The president should get credit or blame for the performance of the national economy, particularly when he runs for office claiming he can fix it. And when he rams a stimulus down the public's throat that he claims will improve it. And when he "inherits" a bad economy and makes it worse. That's the way it is, and the way it should be.
Yes, my comments about his incompetence, record, judgment, and broken promises are partly my opinion, but I can give you specific examples of each if you want.
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The problem is going to be is that you still have a lot of people (like the one's on here) who still believe it's Bush's fault and it's going to take a second term for Obama to fix it, that, and still more people (the lazy one's) who believe that Obama is still going to pay their bills (Benny).
Aint that the truth. I have talked to a couple of Obama-bots recently. It was almost like an out of body experience. Amazing what some people believe about the leaders they like (or love), regardless of the facts.
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Probably the 35 percent of guilt ridden white leftists left who still support this fiasco.
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McCain was a disaster and did not remotely motive the base to coe out. the base is so fired up to oust Obama, a potted plant will be better than Obama.
I have worked elections for years and can say McCain was the worst I have ever seen by far, no ground game, nothing. Romney or perry won't have that issue.
Romney is a job killing elitist flip flopper with a kooky religion
Bachmann and Perry are both certifiable (which is why you relate the them and like them so much)
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Aint that the truth. I have talked to a couple of Obama-bots recently. It was almost like an out of body experience. Amazing what some people believe about the leaders they like (or love), regardless of the facts.
what do you expect them to do
vote for a religious kook like Bachmann or Perry
or vote for Romney who changes his beliefs every time the wind blows a different direction
Dems and Independents will have no option but to vote the for Obama
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what do you expect them to do
vote for a religious kook like Bachmann or Perry
or vote for Romney who changes his beliefs every time the wind blows a different direction
Dems and Independents will have no option but to vote the for Obama
Or they can stay home.
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Strawman, you can't say that about those three rebubs, at least they have records and experiance they can go off of plus they have successfully held held public office. Obama had nothing to run from with little political experiance and what experiance he did have left a horrible record of failure.
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Strawman, you can't say that about those three rebubs, at least they have records and experiance they can go off of plus they have successfully held held public office. Obama had nothing to run from with little political experiance and what experiance he did have left a horrible record of failure.
their records are what will hang them
the nuttiness is just a bonus
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their records are what will hang them
the nuttiness is just a bonus
And Obamas record?
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Or they can stay home.
that could happen
we'll see
Presidential elections are different and don't forget
you see teabaggers on the rise and somehow think they are appealing and I see them as a liability for the Repubs
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And Obamas record?
saved the economy
passed landmark healthcare legislation
killed bin laden
looks and sounds the part
the alterntive sucks (fill in Repub nominee)
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saved the economy
passed landmark healthcare legislation
killed bin laden
looks and sounds the part
the alterntive sucks (fill in Repub nominee)
healthcare still has 55 percent favoring repeal. And UE is over 9 percent. No one thinks he saved anything but those who already will vote for him. as for OBL, I doubt people will base their vote on that a year from now.
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He killed obl? No he didn't, he have the order under Bush's policies. 90% Bush 10% Obama for saying "ok".
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Straw, you are so delusional. Voting for Obama over Romney would be like voting for Barabas over Jesus. Give me a break. Romney would be one of the most qualified men to be President in a long time. Obama is easily one of the least qualified.
Obama has absolutely no managerial experience and it has showed these past 2.5 years.
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He killed obl? No he didn't, he have the order under Bush's policies. 90% Bush 10% Obama for saying "ok".
LOL
I'm sure that's how everyone will remember it
why didn't you throw in that Clinton was responsible for 9/11 too
then you would have had Bush not responsible for 9/11 while also being responsible killing bin laden
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healthcare still has 55 percent favoring repeal. And UE is over 9 percent. No one thinks he saved anything but those who already will vote for him. as for OBL, I doubt people will base their vote on that a year from now.
you're entitled to your opinion
I've already stated mine
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Clinton knew of his of his exact location at least 10x's and CNN reported interviews Bin Laden during that time. How come nothing was done?
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LOL
I'm sure that's how everyone will remember it
why didn't you throw in that Clinton was responsible for 9/11 too
then you would have had Bush not responsible for 9/11 while also being responsible killing bin laden
The guy that led them to the compound was discovered in 2007 when Bush was still in office. His existence was discovered in 2004 from an Al- Quaida terrorist that was captured in Iraq. Do you dispute these things?
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Clinton knew of his of his exact location at least 10x's and CNN reported interviews Bin Laden during that time. How come nothing was done?
same reason Bush didn't kill him
It took Obama to do the job
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what do you expect them to do
vote for a religious kook like Bachmann or Perry
or vote for Romney who changes his beliefs every time the wind blows a different direction
Dems and Independents will have no option but to vote the for Obama
Exactly, Bachman and Perry are too far to the right so there's no way a Democrat will ever vote for them. Romney may get votes from independents and some Democrats but he will practically lose the entire GOP religious base because he's a Mormon. The GOP spent so much time in 2008 accusing Obama of being a Muslim instead of a Christian that they've poisoned the water for Romney.
It will be an interesting election, but Obama is still going to be elected.
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You clowns are in such denial itd not even funny.
Again - look at the damn math!
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same reason Bush didn't kill him
It took Obama to do the job
Yeah? Think it would have been the same outcome if Obama had his way and changed the intell that Bush put into place? Think about it. Obama didn't do crap except take the advice of his advisers who said "pull the trigger".
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Yeah? Think it would have been the same outcome if Obama had his way and changed the intell that Bush put into place? Think about it. Obama didn't do crap except take the advice of his advisers who said "pull the trigger".
still, obama approved the incursion into pakistan, 2 blocks from a military base, and killed paki citizens. Major move there. If OBL isn't found there, you have Rush and FOX bashing the shit out of obama for 2 years for his incompetence and disrespect for soverign nations.
Bush didn't pull the trigger on OBL in 2005/2006 because the risk assessment said there were too many factors, mainly paki state independence. Obama was bold in doing that, we all have to admit it. We can say he's a d-bag when it comes to healthcare and economy, which is totally true.
But to send in troops to kill and break int'l law to get the bad guy - you gotta high five to that, no matter what president.
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still, obama approved the incursion into pakistan, 2 blocks from a military base, and killed paki citizens. Major move there. If OBL isn't found there, you have Rush and FOX bashing the shit out of obama for 2 years for his incompetence and disrespect for soverign nations.
Bush didn't pull the trigger on OBL in 2005/2006 because the risk assessment said there were too many factors, mainly paki state independence. Obama was bold in doing that, we all have to admit it. We can say he's a d-bag when it comes to healthcare and economy, which is totally true.
But to send in troops to kill and break int'l law to get the bad guy - you gotta high five to that, no matter what president.
Thank you for shutting that mental midget up with hard facts.
Unlike little Bushie, who had Osama cornered in Tora Bora and let him escape, Obama didn't.
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Thank you for shutting that mental midget up with hard facts.
Unlike little Bushie, who had Osama cornered in Tora Bora and let him escape, Obama didn't.
::) ::)
and not one assertion by 240 is sources and I am shut up. got it.
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Thank you for shutting that mental midget up with hard facts.
Unlike little Bushie, who had Osama cornered in Tora Bora and let him escape, Obama didn't.
Actually.....no.
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Tora bora... we cannot argue taht, fellahs. There was ONE north road out of tora bora.
The USA chose to leave it unbombed and allowed a 1000-car caravan to escape.
The leaders of other countries and our generals alike were SCREAMING on the news every single day. STOP THEM!
I can understand - you kill OBL then, and you can't get the wars you want. you NEED a boogeyman. if you kill hitler in 1940, we never get in WWII despite a pearl harbor.
So historically, in the name of winning wars, setting up bases, maintaining drugs and currency status quo... we HAD to leave OBL alive for a few more years.
if you disagree, grow up and take off the blinders and stop thinking with your moralisty or political siding. It is how the world works.
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Wow you guys are bickering over who gets credit for OBL?
How gay. (not that there is anything wrong with that ;D)
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saved the economy...LOL!! Saved the economy. If this is saving the economy, I don't want to know what killing it would be like. He didnt' save anything. Every indicator is terrible and his stim bill did not keep UE to the levels he claimed. More home foreclosures. Constant 400k weekly UE applications. Banks are still on trouble. Bank of America needed a bailout from Buffett. If it's true he saved the economy, how come his poll numbers are so low? You are delusional.
passed landmark healthcare legislation..How did that help the economy? It won't be "landmark" once the Supreme court rules it unconstitutional.
killed bin laden...He dropped down from that helicopter?
looks and sounds the part...So does Romney and you won't vote for him.
the alterntive sucks (fill in Repub nominee)...No it doesn't. Obama sucks bigger moose balls than Carter ever did.
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According to Chris Matthews those 27% are racists.
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Actually.....no.
Actually..... yes. You inbred midget.
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what do you expect them to do
vote for a religious kook like Bachmann or Perry
or vote for Romney who changes his beliefs every time the wind blows a different direction
Dems and Independents will have no option but to vote the for Obama
GET REAL!!
Obama's been bleeding independents for months. Check his approval rating in that demographic. The independents ain't going for Obama, PERIOD.
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Obama believes in the same God as Bachmann and Perry.
But, because Bachmann and Perry are not afraid of proclaiming their faith in public, they are seen by these liberal morons as unfit for presidency.
That makes so much sense.
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Obama believes in the same God as Bachmann and Perry.
But, because Bachmann and Perry are not afraid of proclaiming their faith in public, they are seen by these liberal morons as unfit for presidency.
That makes so much sense.
This is where you get people like Bill Maher and our own resident hack, True Adonis, claiming that Obama is a closet atheist.
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the economy is not "good" but it's in much better shape than when Obama came into office
the RE market is still the biggest problem with jobs a close second and neither of those have been satisfactoraly addressed but the Repubs have offered no solutions either. In fact their suggestions would be to do nothing and let things get much worse.
I guarantee you that Obama will run on the fact that he got healthcare legislation done. Something Dems have been trying to do for 50 years. The general population has not experienced the benefits yet and are actually less informed about the benefits now than they were a year ago.
I won't vote for Romney because he has nothing to offer me. He is there solely to represent the interest of multinational corporations and billionares. Why would I vot for him
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Tora bora... we cannot argue taht, fellahs. There was ONE north road out of tora bora.
The USA chose to leave it unbombed and allowed a 1000-car caravan to escape.
The leaders of other countries and our generals alike were SCREAMING on the news every single day. STOP THEM!
I can understand - you kill OBL then, and you can't get the wars you want. you NEED a boogeyman. if you kill hitler in 1940, we never get in WWII despite a pearl harbor.
So historically, in the name of winning wars, setting up bases, maintaining drugs and currency status quo... we HAD to leave OBL alive for a few more years.
if you disagree, grow up and take off the blinders and stop thinking with your moralisty or political siding. It is how the world works.
Let's not forget that it was the Bush administration who let the Bin Laden family escape the US while no one else on the planet was allowed to fly. Let's not forget the Bush's and Bin Ladens had a long and cozy business relationship and let's not forget this smirking and condescending comment just months after 9-11
I dont' believe Bush had any intention to capture or kill Bin Laden
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the economy is not "good" but it's in much better shape than when Obama came into office
the RE market is still the biggest problem with jobs a close second and neither of those have been satisfactoraly addressed but the Repubs have offered no solutions either. In fact their suggestions would be to do nothing and let things get much worse.
I guarantee you that Obama will run on the fact that he got healthcare legislation done. Something Dems have been trying to do for 50 years. The general population has not experienced the benefits yet and are actually less informed about the benefits now than they were a year ago.
I won't vote for Romney because he has nothing to offer me. He is there solely to represent the interest of multinational corporations and billionares. Why would I vot for him
Let him do that. Did you forget that people still DO NOT WANT ObamaCare (not to mention the US Supreme Court may put that to rest by this time next year)?
ObamaCare is part of the reason the Dems got their behinds WAXED last year. So, let him run on that.
You must be puffing more herb than Snoop Dogg, if you think this economy has improved under Obama.
- 38% approval rating.
- At least 9% unemployment for 27 of 31 months he's been in office.
- Nearly 10% unemployment for ALL of 2010.
- Nearly 50 million on food stamps (HIGHEST IN HISTORY).
- 20% unemployment among blacks (HIGHEST IN HISTORY).
- Half of unemployed have been so at least six months.
- A third of all unemployed have been so at least A YEAR.
- Obama's party got CREAMED at midterms (worst beating in 70 years).
- Credit DOWNGRADE for the first time ever, with another on the horizon.
And, that's the short list......333386, care to add on to the pile?
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Let's not forget that it was the Bush administration who let the Bin Laden family escape the US while no one else on the planet was allowed to fly. Let's not forget the Bush's and Bin Ladens had a long and cozy business relationship and let's not forget this smirking and condescending comment just months after 9-11
I dont' believe Bush had any intention to capture or kill Bin Laden
What's Obama's approval rating now, FOUR MONTHS after killing Bin Laden?
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Let him do that. Did you forget that people still DO NOT WANT ObamaCare (not to mention the US Supreme Court may put that to rest by this time next year)?
ObamaCare is part of the reason the Dems got their behinds WAXED last year. So, let him run on that.
You must be puffing more herb than Snoop Dogg, if you think this economy has improved under Obama.
- 38% approval rating.
- At least 9% unemployment for 27 of 31 months he's been in office.
- Nearly 10% unemployment for ALL of 2010.
- Nearly 50 million on food stamps (HIGHEST IN HISTORY).
- 20% unemployment among blacks (HIGHEST IN HISTORY).
- Half of unemployed have been so at least six months.
- A third of all unemployed have been so at least A YEAR.
- Obama's party got CREAMED at midterms (worst beating in 70 years).
- Credit DOWNGRADE for the first time ever, with another on the horizon.
And, that's the short list......333386, care to add on to the pile?
Pile on all you want
all that will matter is the election and the Repubs have no viable candidate at this point
you know that's true because the Repubs themselves have said so and are trying to get Christie or anyone else they can in the race
With all of Obama flaws they KNOW their candidates are worse
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Obama believes in the same God as Bachmann and Perry.
But, because Bachmann and Perry are not afraid of proclaiming their faith in public, they are seen by these liberal morons as unfit for presidency.
That makes so much sense.
Which God is that? The one that was so lazy and so weak that Jesus had to create the universe himself?
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Pile on all you want
all that will matter is the election and the Repubs have no viable candidate at this point
you know that's true because the Repubs themselves have said so and are trying to get Christie or anyone else they can in the race
With all of Obama flaws they KNOW their candidates are worse
Says who?
Obama is tied with Romney, barely ahead of Perry. And, that's not counting the undecided voters, about 80% of which go against the incumbent.
The GOP field has no viable candidates; yet the top three are either AHEAD or neck and neck with Obama (and it's early). ::)
38% approval rating for Obama.....AFTER killing the world's top terrorist (after which liberals claimed Obama was unbeatable).
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LMFAO!
Hey Straw & Lurker - ITS OBAMA THAT IS NOT VIABLE!
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Say who?
Obama is tied with Romney, barely ahead of Perry. And, that's not counting the undecided voters, about 80% of which go against the incumbent.
The GOP field has no viable candidates; yet the top three are either AHEAD or neck and neck with Obama (and it's early). ::)
polls me absolutely nothing at this point
you might as well tell me what the weather is going to be like on November 2nd 2012
if you're unaware how deeply dissatisfied the Republican party is with their roster of candidates then there is nothing I can say that will change your mind
Given your christian background I'm guessing you think Bachmann or Perry would be a good choice and there is probably no way for you to see the persepctive of the people who feel that neither of those people have a snowballs chance in hell in the general election
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polls me absolutely nothing at this point
you might as well tell me what the weather is going to be like on November 2nd 2012
if you're unaware how deeply dissatisfied the Republican party is with their roster of candidates then there is nothing I can say that will change your mind
Given your christian background I'm guessing you think Bachmann or Perry would be a good choice and there is probably no way for you to see the persepctive of the people who feel that neither of those people have a snowballs chance in hell in the general election
LMFAO!
Yeah, that 9% + UE means nothing Straw.
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LMFAO!
Hey Straw & Lurker - ITS OBAMA THAT IS NOT VIABLE!
we'll find out soon enough
you still think he's not going to run
you even posted article which said there was less than a zero chance of a Dem challenger and considered that "proof" of your point.
I find all the prognoticating at this point to be worthless
Obama will be the Dem candidate
The only question at this point is who the Repub candidate will be
My money is on Romney and if it's Romeny my guess is that he'll get stomped by Obama
There's nothing more to debate until we have a Repub candidate
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we'll find out soon enough
you still think he's not going to run
you even posted article which said there was less than a zero chance of a Dem challenger and considered that "proof" of your point.
I find all the prognoticating at this point to be worthless
Obama will be the Dem candidate
The only question at this point is who the Repub candidate will be
My money is on Romney and if it's Romeny my guess is that he'll get stomped by Obama
There's nothing more to debate until we have a Repub candidate
LMFAO - Romney is already tied with Obama - killingh him Floirida, will beat him in michigan and ohio, and has a good shot in PA.
Hey Straw - remember - before the midterms you had no clue whatsoever how bad the dems were going to get stomped.
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polls me absolutely nothing at this point
you might as well tell me what the weather is going to be like on November 2nd 2012
if you're unaware how deeply dissatisfied the Republican party is with their roster of candidates then there is nothing I can say that will change your mind
That's funny....
After grousing for months, Republicans are growing more satisfied with their choices for president and, so far, they like what they're hearing from the newest candidate, Texas Gov. Rick Perry.
An Associated Press-GfK poll released Friday found that two-thirds of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents are pleased with the party's presidential field, compared with just half in June. And they're paying more attention, with 52 percent expressing a "great deal" of interest in the GOP nomination fight — compared with 39 percent earlier this summer — after a period that saw Perry enter the race and Michele Bachmann win a test vote in Iowa, the lead-off caucus state, threatening Mitt Romney's standing at the top of the pack.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2011/08/26/national_most_republicans_happy_with_presidential_field_262351.html (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/2011/08/26/national_most_republicans_happy_with_presidential_field_262351.html)
Given your christian background I'm guessing you think Bachmann or Perry would be a good choice and there is probably no way for you to see the persepctive of the people who feel that neither of those people have a snowballs chance in hell in the general election
Perry's created more jobs than Obama. And, he's NEVER lost a race in which he's entered.
Before you criticize my perspective, take a good look at your own. Obama's failure has been in FULL DISPLAY. Yet, you continue to go into denial, trying to breathe life into the "Blame Bush" dog, ignoring the beatings that Obama and the Dems have taken.
Liberals claims the GOP had a "snowballs chance in hell" after Bin Laden got killed. Now, these same liberals are all friendly toward Jon Huntsman, a "moderate" Republican. Hmmm.....I wonder why!!
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LMFAO!
Hey Straw & Lurker - ITS OBAMA THAT IS NOT VIABLE!
Which Obama? The one who you claim isn't running?
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I'm not necessarily criticizing your perspective. I understand why "you" would like Perry or Bachmann.
Why does anyone even mention the Iowa Straw poll when they know full well the candidates buy the tickets (literally buy the votes) and ignore the fact that Ron Paul came in a close second
BTW - Perry job creation story falls apart under just a bit of scrutiny and his only gambit now is to challenge Bachman for the crazy vote
The first "election" will be for the Repub nominee
You can bitch and moan about how much Obama sucks but right wingers on this board have been doing that since the day he took office. The only way they would not bitch about him is if he became a right winger but we've seen from experience that whenever Obama adopts a Republican point of view that the Repubs are suddenly against it. They literally vote against legislation they sponsored as soon as Obama is on board.
Given that fact, all criticism of Obama by the right is a moot point.
I'm saying all debate about who will "win" in November 2012 is pointless until there is a Repub candidate
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Which Obama? The one who you claim isn't running?
At this rate - I think there is a strong possibility the Senate Dems force him to set aside.
The GOP is likely to stampede the Senate this election cycle.
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I'm not necessarily criticizing your perspective. I understand why "you" would like Perry or Bachmann.
Why does anyone even mention the Iowa Straw poll when they know full well the candidates buy the tickets (literally buy the votes) and ignore the fact that Ron Paul came in a close second
BTW - Perry job creation story falls apart under just a bit of scrutiny and his only gambit now is to challenge Bachman for the crazy vote
The first "election" will be for the Repub nominee
You can bitch and moan about how much Obama sucks but right wingers on this board have been doing that since the day he took office. The only way they would not bitch about him is if he became a right winger but we've seen from experience that whenever Obama adopts a Republican point of view that the Repubs are suddenly against it. They literally vote against legislation they sponsored as soon as Obama is on board.
Given that fact, all criticism of Obama by the right is a moot point.
I'm saying all debate about who will "win" in November 2012 is pointless until there is a Repub candidate
We have this habit on focusing on WINNERS. Bachmann won the straw poll, not Paul. Plus, Perry was not in that poll. Had he been, Paul would have been in third.
Perry has been rolling, since jumping into the race. The lefties are SCARED TO DEATH of Perry, because he excels where Obama SUCKS: job creation.
What right wingers do to Obama, left wingers did to Bush; it comes with the territory. That doesn't excuse Obama's failure.
If Perry can cobble the social conservatives, along with the independents (on the economic side), he'll get the nod and CRUSH Obama for the White House.
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At this rate - I think there is a strong possibility the Senate Dems force him to set aside.
The GOP is likely to stampede the Senate this election cycle.
Despite the fact he already said he is running, you claim he isn't.
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Tell the truth. You got a lobotomy for your tenth birthday didn't you?
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Despite the fact he already said he is running, you claim he isn't.
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Tell the truth. You got a lobotomy for your tenth birthday didn't you?
LBJ was running too.
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We have this habit on focusing on WINNERS. Bachmann won the straw poll, not Paul. Plus, Perry was not in that poll. Had he been, Paul would have been in third.
Perry has been rolling, since jumping into the race. The lefties are SCARED TO DEATH of Perry, because he excels where Obama SUCKS: job creation.
What right wingers do to Obama, left wingers did to Bush; it comes with the territory. That doesn't excuse Obama's failure.
If Perry can cobble the social conservatives, along with the independents (on the economic side), he'll get the nod and CRUSH Obama for the White House.
Perry isn't going to do jack shit. He won't even get the nomination.
Now, how many GOPoopers in the past that won the straw actually won the party nomination? How many of those actually won the election?
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Perry isn't going to do jack shit. He won't even get the nomination.
Now, how many GOPoopers in the past that won the straw actually won the party nomination? How many of those actually won the election?
Ummmm....does the name George W. Bush ring a bell?
Plus, Perry wasn't part of the poll, anyway. How many toes do you have left at this point, three?
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Ummmm....does the name George W. Bush ring a bell?
Plus, Perry wasn't part of the poll, anyway. How many toes do you have left at this point, three?
1 past poll winner out of 6 made it to the White House.
Looks like facts and odds are against you.
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1 past poll winner out of 6 made it to the White House.
Looks like facts and odds are against you.
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Ummmm....does the name George W. Bush ring a bell?
Plus, Perry wasn't part of the poll, anyway. How many toes do you have left at this point, three?
yeah, I remember him being profoundly unpopular yet able to beat a weak Dem Ticket (of course there was likely wholesale election fraud in Ohio and possibly other states which certainly helped)
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Photoshop Meltdown Alert.
The board idiot's one brain cell has over heated.
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3333 - when you post the same pictures for the 100th time it just shows you have no response
what's with your hang up with Michelle Obama's looks anyway
makes you seem like even more of a punk every time you post that kind of shit
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Photoshop Meltdown Alert.
The board idiot's one brain cell has over heated.
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3333 - when you post the same pictures for the 100th time it just shows you have no response
what's with your hang up with Michelle Obama's looks anyway
makes you seem like even more of a punk every time you post that kind of shit
Mobacca the Hut and her disgusting husband are two grifters and ghetto thug pick pockets looting the nation.
As far as I am concerned, if that fat, nasty, leech is spending our tax dollars on massages, vodka, caviar, kobe beef, etc, while the nation is in crisis, she is fair game for attack.
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Mobacca the Hut and her disgusting husband are two grifters and ghetto thug pick pockets looting the nation.
As far as I am concerned, if that fat, nasty, leech is spending our tax dollars on massages, vodka, caviar, kobe beef, etc, while the nation is in crisis, she is fair game for attack.
it really must suck to be you
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Hold on... the loser still isn't through.
Stay tuned for the usual 2 year old thread bumps because the little fake can't control his emotions.
Obama not only owns your mind, he owns your hard drive too
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1 past poll winner out of 6 made it to the White House.
Looks like facts and odds are against you.
Based on what? I never made the claim that the Iowa straw poll made or broke a candidate. The only reason I mentioned it was in response to Straw's complaint as to why the media didn't play up Paul's placing a close second to Bachmann. Polls tend to focus on WINNERS. And Bachmann, not Paul, won that particular poll.
It appears you missed that part. Plus, as stated earlier, Perry wasn't even part of the poll candidates. So how are the odds against me again?
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Based on what? I never made the claim that the Iowa straw poll made or broke a candidate. The only reason I mentioned it was in response to Straw's complaint as to why the media didn't play up Paul's placing a close second to Bachmann. Polls tend to focus on WINNERS. And Bachmann, not Paul, won that particular poll.
It appears you missed that part. Plus, as stated earlier, Perry wasn't even part of the poll candidates. So how are the odds against me again?
LMAO! when you get on a roll - you up your game by 50x.
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yeah, I remember him being profoundly unpopular yet able to beat a weak Dem Ticket (of course there was likely wholesale election fraud in Ohio and possibly other states which certainly helped)
Bush's approval rating was no lower than 46%, during his first term (Gallup)
In fact, W's approval during this time of his presidency was 59 percent, about TWENTY POINTS HIGHER than Obama's approval is NOW.
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Based on what? I never made the claim that the Iowa straw poll made or broke a candidate. The only reason I mentioned it was in response to Straw's complaint as to why the media didn't play up Paul's placing a close second to Bachmann. Polls tend to focus on WINNERS. And Bachmann, not Paul, won that particular poll.
It appears you missed that part. Plus, as stated earlier, Perry wasn't even part of the poll candidates. So how are the odds against me again?
By focusing on WINNERS of the straw poll, it seems to be a hell of a lot of LOSERS when it comes time for the real election to take place.
So focusing on the winner or second place - or who you thought would have been second place - is meaningless.
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Steevo or Bam Margera would landslide obama at this point.
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Only in your delusional mind. Which as has been shown, no one else around these parts are as stupid as you are.
Good thing too.
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Only in your delusional mind. Which as has been shown, no one else around these parts are as stupid as you are.
Good thing too.
vandersloot or oj would win in 1984 like fashion again Barry.
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Good thing your mom is canceling out your vote.