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Title: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: 240 is Back on September 17, 2011, 06:49:23 AM
IMO, it's still 55% Flex winning.   He's just put together better.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 17, 2011, 06:51:45 AM
IMO, it's still 55% Flex winning.   He's just put together better.

Flex convincingly as well
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: che on September 17, 2011, 06:52:16 AM
FLEX.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: tendonitis on September 17, 2011, 06:53:20 AM
FLEX easily
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 17, 2011, 06:53:54 AM
wait till heath wins the olympia then make this thread!!..

but yes sure flex at his best is a better bb!!..
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: MB on September 17, 2011, 06:55:41 AM
Flex was not the widest guy, but Heath takes it to another level. 
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: phyxsius on September 17, 2011, 06:58:14 AM
Flex was not the widest guy, but Heath takes it to another level

only in the arms... only in the arms..
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: NarcissisticDeity on September 17, 2011, 07:03:58 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: MB on September 17, 2011, 07:05:03 AM
only in the arms... only in the arms..

I meant he takes the meaning of narrow frame to another level. 
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Jaime on September 17, 2011, 07:06:13 AM
Flex pre oil saturation.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Dr Dutch on September 17, 2011, 07:06:31 AM
Flex I guess...
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Tito24 on September 17, 2011, 07:23:57 AM
flex when he had clothes on looked big, heath doesnt. theres the answer.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: yates fan on September 17, 2011, 07:54:46 AM
flex,slightly better back and better stage presence.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: closeline on September 17, 2011, 10:51:59 AM
IMO, it's still 55% Flex winning.   He's just put together better.

what a question, look at the pic

Flex is a million time better

heath is just (argueable) the best of 2011 Mr O shitlineup
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: SF1900 on September 17, 2011, 10:54:40 AM
Flex by far
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Disgusted on September 17, 2011, 10:55:43 AM
what a question, look at the pic

Flex is a million time better

heath is just (argueable) the best of 2011 Mr O shitlineup

THIS
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: tbombz on September 17, 2011, 10:57:57 AM
phil isnt on wheelers level yet but hes getting close. hes still improving every show, so to say that is his 100% isnt fair. he still has 10 more years that hecan improve, no telling what he will look like at 40. already he is starting to bring back that late 90's look, putting himself up in the top 10-15 greatest of all time.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Jaime on September 17, 2011, 11:00:13 AM
phil isnt on wheelers level yet but hes getting close. hes still improving every show, so to say that is his 100% isnt fair. he still has 10 more years that hecan improve, no telling what he will look like at 40. already he is starting to bring back that late 90's look, putting himself up in the top 10-15 greatest of all time.


Phil looks good, he has full muscle bellies and good lines. However time doesn't matter, he would have to go and get himself some new genetics to be better than Flex.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Schmoff on September 17, 2011, 11:02:00 AM
real muscle vs fake muscle

flex by miles

Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: kevcat on September 17, 2011, 11:02:49 AM
wait till heath wins the olympia then make this thread!!..

but yes sure flex at his best is a better bb!!..

Why? ??? Wheeler didnt win it, so why wait till Phil does?
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: tbombz on September 17, 2011, 11:03:05 AM

Phi looks good, he has full muscle bellies and good lines. However time doesn't matter, he would have to go and get himself some new genetics to be better than Flex.
 ::) nope, he just needs another 10lbs of muscle without gaining any size on his waist.


real muscle vs fake muscle

flex by miles


flex was a natural ?  ;D
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Tito24 on September 17, 2011, 11:03:16 AM
time is not on phils side, he has to spend the money soon.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Disgusted on September 17, 2011, 11:03:52 AM
phil isnt on wheelers level yet but hes getting close. hes still improving every show, so to say that is his 100% isnt fair. he still has 10 more years that hecan improve, no telling what he will look like at 40. already he is starting to bring back that late 90's look, putting himself up in the top 10-15 greatest of all time.

Structurally Heath will never be Flex and the 90's look was very grainy. While Phil is very separated he is not by any means grainy and never will be.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Jaime on September 17, 2011, 11:04:33 AM
 ::) nope, he just needs another 10lbs of muscle without gaining any size on his waist.


That does what about his muscle shape, lines and structure?

Please explain.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: tbombz on September 17, 2011, 11:06:35 AM
Structurally Heath will never be Flex and the 90's look was very grainy. While Phil is very separated he is not by any means grainy and never will be.
flex wasnt grainy, levrone wasnt grainy, cormier wasnt grainy, coleman wasnt grainy, preist wasnt grainy, dillet wasnt grainy, nasser wasnt grainy. dorian was grainy.  the 90's look was mass monster size with tight waists and sick conditioning. phil has that. and whose to sayin time he cant get more dense and hard looking? he certainly has in the pat couple years.  if he keeps doing what he has been doing he can easily surpass all of the guys from the 90's and attain ronnie coleman 2003 size with a tight waist.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: tbombz on September 17, 2011, 11:08:15 AM

That does what about his muscle shape, lines and structure?

Please explain.
  ::)  phils shape is sick, his lines are awesome, and theres nothing rong with his structure. standing next to jay cutler on stage he is just as wide.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: tbombz on September 17, 2011, 11:10:08 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=350093.0;attach=384956;image)


phils clavicles are so narrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::)
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Jaime on September 17, 2011, 11:11:38 AM
 ::)  phils shape is sick, his lines are awesome, and theres nothing rong with his structure. standing next to jay cutler on stage he is just as wide.

He has good lines, not great. Flex's waist was smaller, symetrical abs, better chest line and insertions, better balance, better thigh structure.

Phil looks great though. He looks nowhere near as wide as Cutler on stage, he looks far better though, Jay looks like an abortion.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Tito24 on September 17, 2011, 11:15:39 AM
phil is a small bitch who should stay far away from the big boys.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Disgusted on September 17, 2011, 11:16:06 AM
flex wasnt grainy, levrone wasnt grainy, cormier wasnt grainy, coleman wasnt grainy, preist wasnt grainy, dillet wasnt grainy, nasser wasnt grainy. dorian was grainy.  the 90's look was mass monster size with tight waists and sick conditioning. phil has that. and whose to sayin time he cant get more dense and hard looking? he certainly has in the pat couple years.  if he keeps doing what he has been doing he can easily surpass all of the guys from the 90's and attain ronnie coleman 2003 size with a tight waist.

Have you ever been up close to these guys in the 90's while they were in shape? I have and they were grainy. I've also been back stage at a lot of pros shows today and NO ONE is grainy. NO ONE impressed me with their conditioning. Pics don't so justice to these guys. I was first row back in 1990? at the Pittsburgh Pro that Samir Bannout won that year. This was the first time I had ever been that close to pros in shape. I was totally shocked at how fukin grainy these guys were. When they posed every little fiber just danced around under their skin. I NEVER saw this in pics. Like I said I have been back stage at a few of todays pro shows and no one has that look.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: tbombz on September 17, 2011, 11:48:28 AM


Phil looks great though. He looks nowhere near as wide as Cutler on stage

(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/191637.jpg)
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: axestream on September 17, 2011, 11:51:42 AM
(http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=350093.0;attach=384956;image)


phils clavicles are so narrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 ::)

(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/191395.jpg)
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/191406.jpg)
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Jaime on September 17, 2011, 12:17:53 PM
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/191637.jpg)




???? ???
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Tito24 on September 17, 2011, 12:18:25 PM
great athletes
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: MB_722 on September 17, 2011, 12:28:55 PM
Flex
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Parker on September 17, 2011, 12:31:53 PM
Flex at his best...
93 Arnold, body weight approx. 216
(http://www.flexwheeler.org/pictures/flex-wheeler-3.jpg)
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele08.jpg)
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele10.jpg)
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele07.jpg)
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele06.jpg)
93 Hardbody vid, 1 week out from the 93 O, body weight approx. 220ish in vids
(http://forum.bodybuildingpro.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=87&stc=1&d=1084938165)
(http://www.all-photos.net/pictures/d/64487-2/Flex+Wheeler+picture+11.jpg)

93 Ironman, body weight approx. 235 ish
(http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles/bodybuilders/imgs/flex-wheeler/flex-wheeler-1.jpg)
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele03.jpg)

92 USA's bodyweight approx. 215
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele12.jpg)

Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: mesmorph78 on September 17, 2011, 12:34:45 PM
what a question, look at the pic

Flex is a million time better

heath is just (argueable) the best of 2011 Mr O shitlineup
THIS
i mean look at todays mr o
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/191637.jpg)


this was flexes competition
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/SvaE54eYoQI/AAAAAAAABtU/njyZfFr7KlY/s400/Ronnie+Coleman,+Dexter+Jackson,+Flex+Wheeler+at+the+1999+Mr.+Olympia.JPG)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/TCuueiWz1sI/AAAAAAAAMFA/-hP3irGwVZI/s1600/Ronnie+Coleman+in+1998+-+01+-+www.Musclebase.Blogspot.com.JPG)
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: blackpele on September 17, 2011, 02:38:16 PM
You are right.
I never wanted to look like Phil, Jay, Branch or Kai..........but I would give anything to look like Ronnie, Levrone or Flex............
The only three guys from today that you can say that could fit in the 90's is Wolf, Brandon Ray and Centopani.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: PJim on September 17, 2011, 02:40:23 PM
Flex at his best...
93 Arnold, body weight approx. 216
(http://www.flexwheeler.org/pictures/flex-wheeler-3.jpg)
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele08.jpg)
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele10.jpg)
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele07.jpg)
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele06.jpg)
93 Hardbody vid, 1 week out from the 93 O, body weight approx. 220ish in vids
(http://forum.ilovespam.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=87&stc=1&d=1084938165)
(http://www.all-photos.net/pictures/d/64487-2/Flex+Wheeler+picture+11.jpg)

93 Ironman, body weight approx. 235 ish
(http://www.bodybuildbid.com/articles/bodybuilders/imgs/flex-wheeler/flex-wheeler-1.jpg)
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele03.jpg)

92 USA's bodyweight approx. 215
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele12.jpg)



That top Flex shot is what bodybuilding is all about.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: The Ugly on September 17, 2011, 02:58:43 PM
real muscle vs fake muscle

flex by miles



Nothing real about Flex.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Parker on September 17, 2011, 03:01:00 PM
Nothing real about Flex.
93-97ish was Real.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: The Ugly on September 17, 2011, 03:03:31 PM
93-97ish was Real.

Realer than Phil?
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Parker on September 17, 2011, 03:06:27 PM
Realer than Phil?
Really Real, except for Real Deal Cormier...
real enough for a 224 Flex to win over a 280 Nasser, and win the Most Muscular award.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Nails on September 17, 2011, 03:06:43 PM
Flex wheeler
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Benny B on September 17, 2011, 03:11:13 PM
Flex at his best...
93 Arnold, body weight approx. 216
(http://www.flexwheeler.org/pictures/flex-wheeler-3.jpg)

(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele10.jpg)

(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele06.jpg)

(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele03.jpg)

92 USA's bodyweight approx. 215
(http://darkwoods.com/bodybuilder/male/bb/gallery/fullsize/wheele12.jpg)


Yep.
The only problem with his career is that he had several contests where he was off. However, Flex at his best was lights out game over. Best I've ever seen. 1993 was his best in my opinion...some say '98.

And this is coming from the biggest Haney fan around. Also a big fan of Shawn, Labrada, Ronnie, Serge Nubret, Sergio and Arnold, among others. But Flex's structure was true genetic marvel.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Sherief Shalaby on September 17, 2011, 11:26:50 PM
Why? ??? Wheeler didnt win it, so why wait till Phil does?

now you got my point i think ;)

many ppl were expecting phil to win the olympia this year so if he waited it was going to be a comparison between one of the top pros of the 90s and the current mr. olympia.. as you know these comparisons are always done after every olympia to show the superiority of the 90s era!!..
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Game Time on September 17, 2011, 11:29:53 PM
Flex looked unbelieveable in his early days, however, he didnt have the size in comparison to Phil.

Comparing his later version to Phil would be more realistic
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Parker on September 17, 2011, 11:55:59 PM
Flex looked unbelieveable in his early days, however, he didnt have the size in comparison to Phil.

Comparing his later version to Phil would be more realistic
Flex looked his best at a lighter weight (same as the clone Melvin), as he started to gane weight, he lost his lines...
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: johnny1 on September 18, 2011, 12:12:20 AM
Flex looked his best at a lighter weight (same as the clone Melvin), as he started to gane weight, he lost his lines...
This is true in 1992 (@ the USA) 1993 Ironman and 93 A/C....that Version of Flex was his best...@ the lighter BW he looked Near as good as you would get...Period.... when he came back from the car accident he gradually gained more and more "Muscle" til you just knew bye looking @ him he was starting to make regular trips to the supermarket ;D ;D ;D in the "oils" section than the average house-wife...@ the 1999 O....it was Ridiculous the oil in his Delts and arms.... BUT Flex @ his Best was one of the best ever and against phil in his 93 shape i doubt Phil would beat him..against the 98-99 Version of Flex 50/50 ether way IMO the edge going to Phil with Superior Glute/ham tie-ins etc.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: alnassak on September 18, 2011, 02:21:05 AM
There is no comparison between them; Phil is much better bodybuilder than Flex was.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Parker on September 18, 2011, 03:01:43 AM
There is no comparison between them; Phil is much better bodybuilder than Flex was.
go back and look at the pics I posted...no bulging obliques like Phil, no sticky gut with abs spead apart.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: KevinP85 on September 18, 2011, 03:43:33 AM
Between the three it goes

Flex>Levrone>Phil

IMO, flex and levrone can be switched.

Add Chris Cormier in the mix.

So, who's better, Phil or Cormier?
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Parker on September 18, 2011, 03:56:44 AM
Between the three it goes

Flex>Levrone>Phil

IMO, flex and levrone can be switched.

Add Chris Cormier in the mix.

So, who's better, Phil or Cormier?
I'd say Cormier...Cormier had the type of physique that you could visually add "weight" to and he'd still look good...I think that Cormier could have been the only guy who could hold 275 without a gut (at his height). Phil has the show piece arms....that is what gets him in the door, Cormier has the whole package---the flow, nothing is out of place, nothing stands out.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Tito24 on September 18, 2011, 04:03:41 AM
There is no comparison between them; Phil is much better bodybuilder than Flex was.

you are really a fucking moron nutsaack
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: KevinP85 on September 18, 2011, 04:34:37 AM
I'd say Cormier...Cormier had the type of physique that you could visually add "weight" to and he'd still look good...I think that Cormier could have been the only guy who could hold 275 without a gut (at his height). Phil has the show piece arms....that is what gets him in the door, Cormier has the whole package---the flow, nothing is out of place, nothing stands out.


I agree! Jay should have NEVER beaten Chris at the Arnold.
Dexter too!

Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: cephissus on September 18, 2011, 04:36:19 AM
sorry but flex destroys phil

look at the fucking shape of his muscles it's absolutely unmatched
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: Jaime on September 18, 2011, 04:37:58 AM
I'd say Cormier...Cormier had the type of physique that you could visually add "weight" to and he'd still look good...I think that Cormier could have been the only guy who could hold 275 without a gut (at his height). Phil has the show piece arms....that is what gets him in the door, Cormier has the whole package---the flow, nothing is out of place, nothing stands out.


Cormier kills Phil genetics wise. Cormier is hugely underrated.
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: KevinP85 on September 18, 2011, 04:41:50 AM
  ;D
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/Sxd7qPOSJSI/AAAAAAAADWY/hdh5z_e2WuQ/s1600/2004-mr-olympia-147_20090831_1033644532.jpg)
Title: Re: Flex Wheeler Vs Phil Heath at their 100% Best.... Who wins?
Post by: cephissus on September 18, 2011, 04:46:20 AM
  ;D
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_mC1TEdZ4gks/Sxd7qPOSJSI/AAAAAAAADWY/hdh5z_e2WuQ/s1600/2004-mr-olympia-147_20090831_1033644532.jpg)


holy SHIT king ron coleman absolutely obliterating the entire human race in the arms race

FUCK

 :o :o :o :o