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5th place, are you kidding me?
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5th place, are you kidding me?
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/11590/normal_DSC_2307.jpg)
I thought he could have placed ahead of Victor
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Wolf's frame always makes him stand out.
If only his calves were longer/fuller
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indeed
wolf should have won
but the show was fixed year out
all cutler vs heath fixed
wolf makes a joke out of "our" new chimpion
LOOK HOW BAD SIR NARROWNESS LOOKS NEXT TO DENNIS
and musclequality is far better too
but wolf will never win because he s german
wolf only man among the insulin whores
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I thought he could have placed ahead of Victor
Even from the back he smoked Vic
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Yes.. This was probably his best showing since 07 and he was better this time.
I had him at least beating Victor! :/
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look how tiny heath looks next to wolf
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Should have been first. His structure kills all of the midgets.
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:D
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One of my favs out of the current bodybuilders.
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Should have been first. His structure kills all of the midgets.
This >:(
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phils "muscles" are all air. hes just a spongebob with the inflatable arms.
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:D
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/11590/normal_DSC_6291.jpg)
seems to be the only one with real muscles
no one else has any striations
weired
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indeed
wolf should have won
but the show was fixed year out
all cutler vs heath fixed
wolf makes a joke out of "our" new chimpion
LOOK HOW BAD SIR NARROWNESS LOOKS NEXT TO DENNIS
and musclequality is far better too
but wolf will never win because he s german
wolf only man among the insulin whores
wolf will never win because he's an incomplete lazy bber...
BTW, he should call the police, because someone stole one of his calves.
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Wolf did get robbed, he should have been third....well actually he should have been second if the fridge would have received his rightfull 6th place finish.
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wolf will never win because he's an incomplete lazy bber...
BTW, he should call the police, because someone stole one of his calves.
He lacks calves like most brothers, he aint gonna build calves. His back is fine, he has high lat insertions and it adds to his awesome taper, you are too used to looking at boxy midgets.
Flex was lazy as hell, it doesn't mean shit, its all drugs and if you look the best you should win.
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He lacks calves like most brothers, he aint gonna build calves. His back is fine, he has high lat insertions and it adds to his awesome taper, you are too used to looking at boxy midgets.
Flex was lazy as hell, it doesn't mean shit, its all drugs and if you look the best you should win.
He didn't look the best hence why he didn't win
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He didn't look the best hence why he didn't win
Yes but you don't know anything about physiques ND.
You are just a creepy schmoe.
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He looked great but I think he got the placing he deserved. Victor was on point and was signifiacntly improved from previous showings and the top three was always going to be Phil, Jay, and Kai.
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Yes but you don't know anything about physiques ND.
You are just a creepy schmoe.
Yeah and you do? because he has a great structure he should have been first ::)
you're another guy who is willing to overlook all of the judging criteria in favor of what you find pleasing that's the definition of a schmoe , what you find attractive should win and lets forget everything else ::) not how it works
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Wolf has got the best structure out of the current bodybuilders. His delts to waist ratio is insane...he looks superior up there amongst everyone else.
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Yeah and you do? because he has a great structure he should have been first ::)
you're another guy who is willing to overlook all of the judging criteria in favor of what you find pleasing that's the definition of a schmoe , what you find attractive should win and lets forget everything else ::) not how it works
Well first of all i have always been active in sports from a young age and i actually train, unlike you.
Secondly i don't make it my lifes work defending bodybuilders who i have never met and write 1000 word essays on said subject.
Thirdly the type of qualitys i find pleasing in a physique are corroborated by the larger part of history and physical culture.
I find you very very creepy.
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Wolf looked very good. I don't think many would be upset if he had won. I dislike Heath's physique but he was the best on the day (I suppose)
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Just like in 2007, don't compare him to Cutler or Heath, only compare those two to themselves. That way no-one can see the difference.
Stick him in 5th then no-one can complain he wasn't compared and that he should have won 'He placed 5th man' ala 1980.
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He lacks calves like most brothers, he aint gonna build calves. His back is fine, he has high lat insertions and it adds to his awesome taper, you are too used to looking at boxy midgets.
Flex was lazy as hell, it doesn't mean shit, its all drugs and if you look the best you should win.
Thing is a lot of black bbers either don't train calves or train them incorrectly...because they can get calves, they might not be big as shit, but they'll be diamonds
And I think is doing the same...
True Wolf lats insert high, but his lower back still looks like 2007. . Plus he looks like a plastic toy, his arms look the same, no pop to them...
And yes, Flex was cruising, but earlier in his career he didn't, hell he trained with Chris Cormier...Charles aglass had to tell Flex to slow down and lower the poundages.
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Well first of all i have always been active in sports from a young age and i actually train, unlike you.
Secondly i don't make it my lifes work defending bodybuilders who i have never met and write 1000 word essays on said subject.
Thirdly the type of qualitys i find pleasing in a physique are corroborated by the larger part of history and physical culture.
I find you very very creepy.
Well first of all i have always been active in sports from a young age and i actually train, unlike you.
More baseless assumptions on your behalf is this your way out of your ignorance? you're the only one who played sports since a young age? and I don't train? let's say I didn't for the sake of argument , you'd still be wrong in your assessment that Wolf should win because he has a great structure
Secondly i don't make it my lifes work defending bodybuilders who i have never met and write 1000 word essays on said subject.
Life's work? this is the best you have to offer? no you don't defend your position with anything , just state your opinion and when pushed on it's inaccuracies you deflect or offer up an ad hominem attacks , you're comfortable in your ignorance , they say ignorance is bliss you must be a happy person
Thirdly the type of qualitys i find pleasing in a physique are corroborated by the larger part of history and physical culture.
Physical culture died with the advent of drug use , and contests are NOT judged by what you find pleasing , there is a lot of other criteria in which contests are judged by and you ignoring doesn't change it , Wolf has a great structure , he's also lacking in a lot of areas just because you're more than willing to overlook them doesn't mean the judges are , this is how contests are judged
I find you very very creepy.
see ad hominem , it's for people like you who don't have much else to offer.
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More baseless assumptions on your behalf is this your way out of your ignorance? you're the only one who played sports since a young age? and I don't train? let's say I didn't for the sake of argument , you'd still be wrong in your assessment that Wolf should win because he has a great structure
Life's work? this is the best you have to offer? no you don't defend your position with anything , just state your opinion and when pushed on it's inaccuracies you deflect or offer up an ad hominem attacks , you're comfortable in your ignorance , they say ignorance is bliss you must be a happy person
Physical culture died with the advent of drug use , and contests are NOT judged by what you find pleasing , there is a lot of other criteria in which contests are judged by and you ignoring doesn't change it , Wolf has a great structure , he's also lacking in a lot of areas just because you're more than willing to overlook them doesn't mean the judges are , this is how contests are judged
see ad hominem , it's for people like you who don't have much else to offer.
Have you ever let something go just to see what it feels like
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Have you ever let something go just to see what it feels like
Yeah my ex-wife lol best feeling ever ;D
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Have you ever let something go just to see what it feels like
Ehm....36000+ posts? I guess not ;D
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Ehm....36000+ posts? I guess not ;D
I've been here since 04 , actually since 03 just used to read but never registered.
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Yeah my ex-wife lol best feeling ever ;D
haha ;D
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Jay Cutler looked better and met the judging criteria better because he placed higher, right ND ::)
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5th place, are you kidding me?
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Looking at these pictures Wolf should have been no lower than second. If he had bigger calves I would have him first. He makes Phil look small and he appears more grainy and with better taper. Wolf really would make the perfect Mr. Olympia. Bring those calves up Wolf and don't injure them!! Stretch them a lot!
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You guys are smoking crack.
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Wolf dominates from the back for sure.
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/191372.jpg)
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5th place, are you kidding me?
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His waist is too small. It makes him look weak and feminine. You gotta have H taper if you wanna win.
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Wolf dominates from the back for sure.
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/191372.jpg)
lmao ya he might be dexter from the back, but thats it
come on white guys, we all kow you want a tall pale skinned guy as mr olympia, but wolfs lats only take up 1/4 of his torso, his arms have shitty shape, no peak to the bicep and no roundness to the tricep (though they are huge arms), he has good sweep to his quads but he doesnt have any defintionor striationg down by his knees at the insertion points, ffrom the back his hams look thin... he just cant place ahead of guys like victor phil and kai when they are on point, much better aesthetics.
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Well first of all i have always been active in sports from a young age and i actually train, unlike you.
Secondly i don't make it my lifes work defending bodybuilders who i have never met and write 1000 word essays on said subject.
Thirdly the type of qualitys i find pleasing in a physique are corroborated by the larger part of history and physical culture.
I find you very very creepy.
Are you Ron Harris? ;D
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lmao ya he might be dexter from the back, but thats it
come on white guys, we all kow you want a tall pale skinned guy as mr olympia, but wolfs lats only take up 1/4 of his torso, his arms have shitty shape, no peak to the bicep and no roundness to the tricep (though they are huge arms), he has good sweep to his quads but he doesnt have any defintionor striationg down by his knees at the insertion points, ffrom the back his hams look thin... he just cant place ahead of guys like victor phil and kai when they are on point, much better aesthetics.
He has awesome aesthetics, what would a fat inbred like you know about aesthetics? I wont wait on your reply, as everybody knows its nothing. Phil has better aesthetics than Flex LMAO.
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lmao ya he might be dexter from the back, but thats it
come on white guys, we all kow you want a tall pale skinned guy as mr olympia, but wolfs lats only take up 1/4 of his torso, his arms have shitty shape, no peak to the bicep and no roundness to the tricep (though they are huge arms), he has good sweep to his quads but he doesnt have any defintionor striationg down by his knees at the insertion points, ffrom the back his hams look thin... he just cant place ahead of guys like victor phil and kai when they are on point, much better aesthetics.
Translation: I love black men
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LMAO ^^ two blind racists
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LMAO ^^ two blind racists
Tell us again how Jay has better aesthetics than Flex you pudgy hillbilly. ;)
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LMAO ^^ two blind racists
How? I just turned your own rationale back on to you. Looks like you didn't like it too much :)
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(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/191372.jpg)
based on this photo, jay should have placed 5 or 6.
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(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/191372.jpg)
based on this photo, jay should have placed 5 or 6.
fixed
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LMAO ^^ two blind racists
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Wolf is shapeless...he might have the STRUCTURE but hes S-H-A-P-E-L-E-S-S.
2 different things.
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Wolf is shapeless...he might have the STRUCTURE but hes S-H-A-P-E-L-E-S-S.
2 different things.
Shapewise his only weakness is bi's.
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Shapewise his only weakness is bi's.
yeah his calves are diamond shaped as well ::)
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yeah his calves are diamond shaped as well ::)
His calves are awful but calves arent traditionally a big deal.
His arms are huge they just don't have great shape, they are far better than Dorians.
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Shapewise his only weakness is bi's.
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tris, hamstrings, calves, lats, abs.
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His calves are awful but calves arent traditionally a big deal.
His arms are huge they just don't have great shape, they are far better than Dorians.
No,calves have absolutely nothing to do with aesthetics ::) which you constantly rail about , type some more ignorance , like I said you're more than willing to overlook it then it's not a flaw
His arms are far better than Dorians and that's why he's a multiple Olympia winner :D and this has nothing to do with Yates why go there? deflection?
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The only thing he has is width.
He would do well as a bouncer...not a bodybuilder.
My opinion..
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His arms are not shaped that great, but are the most shredded on stage with the most detail.
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At least you know Wolf doesn't have any goo in his calves unlike half of these athletes.
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No,calves have absolutely nothing to do with aesthetics ::) which you constantly rail about , type some more ignorance , like I said you're more than willing to overlook it then it's not a flaw
His arms are far better than Dorians and that's why he's a multiple Olympia winner :D and this has nothing to do with Yates why go there? deflection?
Its a big flaw and it does fuck up his aesthetics but not as much as habing a 45 inch waist or having 3 inch wide shoulders.
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Wolf's frame always makes him stand out.
If only his calves were longer/fuller
yes you are right and we all know that 8X mr. olympia ronnie coleman had long full calves ::)
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Its a big flaw and it does fuck up his aesthetics but not as much as habing a 45 inch waist or having 3 inch wide shoulders.
Who has the 45" waist and 3" wide shoulders? ???
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His right calf is ok. Not great obviously, but good enough to not throw anything outta proportion. His left calf obviously has some kind of damage he can't do anyhting about (tear or nerval damage), it's not lacking cause he doesn't train em hard enough like some of these retards are babbling over and over again. Get over it, his left calf won't change anymore, nobody is perfect. ::)
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yes you are right and we all know that 8X mr. olympia ronnie coleman had long full calves ::)
Ronnie's calves as bad as they were aren't as bad as Wolfs , and Wolf's problems aren't just his calves.
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Who has the 45" waist and 3" wide shoulders? ???
Jay and Phil.
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Lol @ wolf getting robbed. He still has the same problems he did in 07. No lower back, high lats and shitty lower legs....i mean fuck at least seo them or something.
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Lol @ wolf getting robbed. He still has the same problems he did in 07. No lower back, high lats and shitty lower legs....im fuck at least seo them or something.
Great points , but he has super-wide clavicles and a great structure so he was robbed ::)
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Jay and Phil.
Not according to the judges and the criteria . you can piss & moan about how that shouldn't be but it is what it is
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Ronnie's calves as bad as they were aren't as bad as Wolfs , and Wolf's problems aren't just his calves.
yes and i was not comparing their calves.. i just meant that coleman won the olympia 100 times with weak calves so wolf's calves are not the main or the only weak point (as someone mentioned) to prevent him from placing better!!..
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he needs a left calve and lower lats.
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yes and i was not comparing their calves.. i just meant that coleman won the olympia 100 times with weak calves so wolf's calves are not the main or the only weak point (as someone mentioned) to prevent him from placing better!!..
finally we agree ;)
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45" waist, 15lbs of water, synthol bruises, and the most asymmetrical physique in history, are all made up for by decent calves. the judges said so
and the judges ALWAYS make the best call, it said so in FLEX magazine (the bible).
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Wolf dominates from the back for sure.
(http://contests.flexonline.com/images/contests/39/large/191372.jpg)
BS, Wolf is great from the front but look where his lats stop in the back double bi. Look at Kai "The Grapefruit" Greene and you will see a bb with a back that can approach that of Yates and Coleman if he can ever come in ripped and diced. Wolf is great and maybe should have got third at best. He difinitely beat Jay. I don't think he really has the shape to beat Kai. Plus, he was in great conditioning but when he posed he did not look as impressive as Phil. My buddy is an iFBB judge out of New Jersey and was at the show. He had Phil one all the way.
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45" waist, 15lbs of water, synthol bruises, and the most asymmetrical physique in history, are all made up for by decent calves. the judges said so
and the judges ALWAYS make the best call, it said so in FLEX magazine (the bible).
No the judges only make the best call when you agree ::)
the right guy won , why are you crying? :'(
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No the judges only make the best call when you agree ::)
the right guy won , why are you crying? :'(
oh, well in that case ronnie is better than dorian cause he won more olympias right?
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BTW...anyone who claims Wolf can't win because he is German is full of it. What the hell does that have to do with tea in China. Germans are great people; one of my best friend is German. Do we still have to apologize for slavery. Why should German's of today suffer and be denied because of the sins of our father....quote remind you of anyone. Besides, Wolf is actually a Russian who now is a German citizen. His heritage is Russian.
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oh, well in that case ronnie is better than dorian cause he won more olympias right?
Ronnie was a more successful Mr Olympia , doesn't mean he's better.
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Nirvana, I think ND has a point about judging. I am not a judge, but for instance I though Flex Lewis looked better then English in the 202's. Priest probably would have eaten both of them for lunch but that is for another thread. ND likes Flex and Yates. He loves Ronnie circa 1999 and that is his opinion. Agree or not about who is better between Yates and Ronnie; the difference is but a fraction and probably would change day to day. Regardless, Phil looked the best this day. Deal with it. Wolf is very, very good. He looks way better then Branch in my opinion and should be top three or four in the world. However, he is lacking in some very crucial areas that are holding him back when comparing him to more complete bodybuilders.
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Guys, if you are fans of the old 90's bodybuilders, on musculardevelopment.com they had a wrap up of the pre-judging with Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler. Shawn interviewed both Yates and Branch. Both were unanimous in agreement that Phil was by far the best. They even dissected the faults of Wolf. If it still on the website it is a cool listen. Yates is definitely the man. His insight into the show was quite revealing. They also did a post-wrap analysis of the Mr. Olympia.
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Nirvana, I think ND has a point about judging. I am not a judge, but for instance I though Flex Lewis looked better then English in the 202's. Priest probably would have eaten both of them for lunch but that is for another thread. ND likes Flex and Yates. He loves Ronnie circa 1999 and that is his opinion. Agree or not about who is better between Yates and Ronnie; the difference is but a fraction and probably would change day to day. Regardless, Phil looked the best this day. Deal with it. Wolf is very, very good. He looks way better then Branch in my opinion and should be top three or four in the world. However, he is lacking in some very crucial areas that are holding him back when comparing him to more complete bodybuilders.
IT'S NOT OPINNION!! WHAT THE JUDGES SAY IS THE LAW!! THE JUDGES ARE NEVER WRONG OR BIASED!! THE JUDGES ARE PERFECT!! THE BEST ALWAYS WINS CAUSE THE JUDGES SAY THE JUDGES SO!!!THEJUDGES!! IF THE JUDGES SAY JUMP I SAY HOW HI!!THEJUDGES!!!THE JUDGES.
JAY CUTLER > DENIS WOLPH CAUSE JUDGES SAY SOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUDGES.!.!
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IT'S NOT OPINNION!! WHAT THE JUDGES SAY IS THE LAW!! THE JUDGES ARE NEVER WRONG OR BIASED!! THE JUDGES ARE PERFECT!! THE BEST ALWAYS WINS CAUSE THE JUDGES SAY THE JUDGES SO!!!THEJUDGES!! IF THE JUDGES SAY JUMP I SAY HOW HI!!THEJUDGES!!!THE JUDGES.
JAY CUTLER > DENIS WOLPH CAUSE JUDGES SAY SOO!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUDGES.!.!
No , no , Wolf is better because YOU say so? what makes you right and the judges wrong? because you don't like the way Jay's physique looks? ::) the judges always get it right when YOUR hero wins
get serious
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No , no , Wolf is better because YOU say so? what makes you right and the judges wrong? because you don't like the way Jay's physique looks? ::) the judges always get it right when YOUR hero wins
get serious
Like the judges got it right in '97 when your hero Yates won? Judges are always right when YOU agree with them, right, amiright? ::)
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No , no , Wolf is better because YOU say so? what makes you right and the judges wrong? because you don't like the way Jay's physique looks? ::) the judges always get it right when YOUR hero wins
get serious
who said i like wolph
i just don't think cutler was better. i don't cutler should have even stepped on stage. and im not the one who uses the judges disecions in my arguments, that's u.
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Like the judges got it right in '97 when your hero Yates won? Judges are always right when YOU agree with them, right, amiright? ::)
No they were right in 98 even though I like Flex better than Ronnie , they were right in 01 when Jay came close , where do you see me bitching about so-and-so lost? I don't
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Like the judges got it right in '97 when your hero Yates won? Judges are always right when YOU agree with them, right, amiright? ::)
he's the only one who uses judges decisions to back his arguments. then projects it on other people and claim they do it....when they don't
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LMAO ^^ two blind racists
You love negro dick in your ass and that's a fact
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who said i like wolph
i just don't think cutler was better. i don't cutler should have even stepped on stage. and im not the one who uses the judges disecions in my arguments, that's u.
Again why are you correct and the judges wrong?
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he's the only one who uses judges decisions to back his arguments. then projects it on other people and claim they do it....when they don't
Again either all contests are accurate and fair or not , when a guy you don't like wins the judges suck and it's scam and it's bullshit but when a guy you like wins the judges got it right , you can't have it both ways.
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Again why are you correct and the judges wrong?
why am i wrong and they correct, do you believe they have special training to judge physiques ::)
i bet they went to college for that job ::)
it's all opinnion, even what the judges say is oppinion. even what the judges say is opinnion, even what the judges say is opinnion, even what the judges say is opinnion, even what the judges say is opinnion. Even what the judges say is opinion.
even what the judges say is opinion.
I think the general bodybuilding population would agree wolf looks better than cutler. but in the end it's all opinion. not fact. just because the judges say it doesn't make it factust because the judges say it doesn't make it factust because the judges say it doesn't make it fact ust because the judges say it doesn't make it fact just because the judges say it doesn't make it fact
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Again either all contests are accurate and fair or not , when a guy you don't like wins the judges suck and it's scam and it's bullshit but when a guy you like wins the judges got it right , you can't have it both ways.
the problem is, i don't argue using the judges OPINIONs like you do. if I do im just making fun of you.
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why am i wrong and they correct, do you believe they have special training to judge physiques ::)
i bet they went to college for that job ::)
it's all opinnion, even what the judges say is oppinion. even what the judges say is opinnion, even what the judges say is opinnion, even what the judges say is opinnion, even what the judges say is opinnion. Even what the judges say is opinion.
even what the judges say is opinion.
I think the general bodybuilding population would agree wolf looks better than cutler. but in the end it's all opinion. not fact. just because the judges say it doesn't make it factust because the judges say it doesn't make it factust because the judges say it doesn't make it fact ust because the judges say it doesn't make it fact just because the judges say it doesn't make it fact
Oh boy lol , it's an opinion that 12 individuals are come to the exact same conclusion on. their opinion is knowledge , informed and unbiased , everything yours is NOT which is exactly why you come to some of your wacky conclusion , ignorance. You don't even know what it takes to judge at the Olympia level and how judges are chosen and you don't care , you've made up your mind and nothing is gonna change it
Their opinions are FACTS and the fact is their opinion made Heath Mr Olympia and Jay second and Wolf not even close , the general bodybuilding population do NOT judge contest so their opinion on the subject means fuck-all in the scheme of things and the general bodybuilding population are all like you , clueless on how the game is even played , yet you think your opinion matters , your opinion is just as you projected on the judges , bias , ignorant and flawed.
go learn how contests are judged and then you'll have a clue , if not keep bitching on the internets it's working out great for thus far.
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the problem is, i don't argue using the judges OPINIONs like you do. if I do im just making fun of you.
I argue using the facts of what transpired , you ' argue ' everything but. like I said you keep crying about the results maybe they'll change what happened .
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pleaase make this post a thread
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Nirvana, I suspect Jay got a gift for being four time Mr. Olympia and being in undeniably good shape. He is harder then Wolf. I agree with you actually and think Wolf is better, but those in the know don't agree. Listen, BB is a lot like boxing. Two judges can see the same round in boxing completely differently. Same goes with BB. However, if you look at the scorecard Jay, despite his flaws, was a pretty convincing second place finisher. BTW, the judges are usually people who have been involved in the sport for years and have knowledge. Do I always agree with them...no. But then again, I am not a judge. Deal with it.
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finally we agree ;)
i think we always agree as long as we are not talking about dorian because only in this case you see things without "blind love" :P
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i think we always agree as long as we are not talking about dorian because only in this case you see things without "blind love" :P
Na we don't agree when you make up lies and then pass them off as things I said , or the fact that Nasser was Mr Olympia from the front only ;)
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Na we don't agree when you make up lies and then pass them off as things I said , or the fact that Nasser was Mr Olympia from the front only ;)
::) ::)
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Geezus..........grown ass men arguing about which thongbearer looks the best......not gay at all. ::)
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::) ::)
Thanks for proving my point ;)
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I argue using the facts of what transpired , you ' argue ' everything but. like I said you keep crying about the results maybe they'll change what happened .
do you also believe the problem with jays arm was caused from a bicep strain?
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do you also believe the problem with jays arm was caused from a bicep strain?
I don't care
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Thanks for proving my point ;)
;D
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I don't care
oh yeah i forgot, your idea of the PERFECT physique with NO FLAWS was dorian in 97. all because the judges gave him perfect score.
and what the judges say is FACT
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oh yeah i forgot, your idea of the PERFECT physique with NO FLAWS was dorian in 97. all because the judges gave him perfect score.
and what the judges say is FACT
Who said Dorian 1997 was perfect or had no flaws? if you knew how contests were judged you would know exactly how Dorian can win with a perfect score , but you don't know how contests are judged so you'll just draw your own ignorant conclusion and be happy with that
pssssssssstttttttt Dorian could lose three mandatory poses and still finish with a perfect score wanna know why?
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Who said Dorian 1997 was perfect or had no flaws? if you knew how contests were judged you would know exactly how Dorian can win with a perfect score , but you don't know how contests are judged so you'll just draw your own ignorant conclusion and be happy with that
pssssssssstttttttt Dorian could lose three mandatory poses and still finish with a perfect score wanna know why?
do you notice that you are the only person in the world, probably literally, who thinks that the judges decision is perfect?
or is everyone in existance wrong but you?
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Geezus..........grown ass men arguing about which thongbearer looks the best......not gay at all. ::)
What's gayer is people with 30k posts on a bodybuilding site complaining about bodybuilding.
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Who said Dorian 1997 was perfect or had no flaws? if you knew how contests were judged you would know exactly how Dorian can win with a perfect score , but you don't know how contests are judged so you'll just draw your own ignorant conclusion and be happy with that
pssssssssstttttttt Dorian could lose three mandatory poses and still finish with a perfect score wanna know why?
as our big expert plz answer this question ND.. why didnt the judges mark dorian down for his deformed arm in the posing routine and the posedown rounds??.. dont tell me he was hiding it all the time during these 2 rounds!!.. you wont find an answer in flex magazine so plz try to think this time..
by the way you were always saying dorian lost only 2 mandatory poses in 1997 (FR ad FDB) till i drew your attention that his deformed arm should make him lose the QT to the left and you couldn't argue and admitted it against your will :D..
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do you notice that you are the only person in the world, probably literally, who thinks that the judges decision is perfect?
or is everyone in existance wrong but you?
Oh more flawed logic on your behalf , everyone says the judges are wrong so the judges must be wrong ::) Jesus you're to simple
judging is NOT perfect but it's a lot better than most of your guys think and there is a reason for that , wanna know why? Oh that's right you already know how things work ::)
99% of you have no clue how the game's played , it's laughable to hear you bitch about the judging when you don't slightest idea on how it works
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as our big expert plz answer this question ND.. why didnt the judges mark dorian down for his deformed arm in the posing routine and the posedown rounds??.. dont tell me he was hiding it all the time during these 2 rounds!!.. you wont find an answer in flex magazine so plz try to think this time..
by the way you were always saying dorian lost only 2 mandatory poses in 1997 (FR ad FDB) till i drew your attention that his deformed arm should make him lose the QT to the left and you couldn't argue and admitted it against your will :D..
his account was hacked
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as our big expert plz answer this question ND.. why didnt the judges mark dorian down for his deformed arm in the posing routine and the posedown rounds??.. dont tell me he was hiding it all the time during these 2 rounds!!.. you wont find an answer in flex magazine so plz try to think this time..
by the way you were always saying dorian lost only 2 mandatory poses in 1997 (FR ad FDB) till i drew your attention that his deformed arm should make him lose the QT to the left and you couldn't argue and admitted it against your will :D..
as our big expert plz answer this question ND.. why didnt the judges mark dorian down for his deformed arm in the posing routine and the posedown rounds??.. dont tell me he was hiding it all the time during these 2 rounds!!.. you wont find an answer in flex magazine so plz try to think this time..
First I'm no expert but I at least know what the hell I'm talking about , and how do you know the judges didn't mark him down?
by the way you were always saying dorian lost only 2 mandatory poses in 1997 (FR ad FDB) till i drew your attention that his deformed arm should make him lose the QT to the left and you couldn't argue and admitted it against your will :D..
I don't have to argue that he lost that pose , I said it would make no difference in the scheme of things , wonder why?
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First I'm no expert but I at least know what the hell I'm talking about , and how do you know the judges didn't mark him down?
I don't have to argue that he lost that pose , I said it would make no difference in the scheme of things , wonder why?
i am sure they didnt mark him down because with a totally deformed arm he won these 2 rounds with perfect scores against the top bbs in the world!!.. aside of his calves and back the rest of him was worse than nearly all the other top pros.. sure we are not talking about parts but the symmetry and the proportion between his different parts were very bad and it was seriously one of the worst injustice in the history of bb.. i felt even bad for dorian himself to look like this!!..
and although i see nasser the one who deserved to win on that day i would have no problem if ray or levrone won!!..
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i am sure they didnt mark him down because with a totally deformed arm he won these 2 rounds with perfect scores against the top bbs in the world!!.. aside of his calves and back the rest of him was worse than nearly all the other top pros.. sure we are not talking about parts but the symmetry and the proportion between his different parts were very bad and it was seriously one of the worst injustice in the history of bb.. i felt even bad for dorian himself to look like this!!..
and although i see nasser the one who deserved to win on that day i would have no problem if ray or levrone won!!..
your just flawed ignorant criteria judging logic FACTS fanboys that ;) contests
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i am sure they didnt mark him down because with a totally deformed arm he won these 2 rounds with perfect scores against the top bbs in the world!!.. aside of his calves and back the rest of him was worse than nearly all the other top pros.. sure we are not talking about parts but the symmetry and the proportion between his different parts were very bad and it was seriously one of the worst injustice in the history of bb.. i felt even bad for dorian himself to look like this!!..
and although i see nasser the one who deserved to win on that day i would have no problem if ray or levrone won!!..
You don't know if they didn't mark him down , you're assuming they didn't the perfect score has NOTHING to do with it , he could have lost those three poses and still win with a perfect score , this is a concept you can't seem to grasp , he may very well have been marked down you don't know.
Nasser's missing back was more of a liability than Dorian's arm
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your just flawed ignorant criteria judging logic FACTS fanboys that ;) contests
Troll on sport , it's what you do. ;)
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Troll on sport , it's what you do. ;)
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You don't know if they didn't mark him down , you're assuming they didn't the perfect score has NOTHING to do with it , he could have lost those three poses and still win with a perfect score , this is a concept you can't seem to grasp , he may very well have been marked down you don't know.
Nasser's missing back was more of a liability than Dorian's arm
trust me i understand well what you are saying.. my point is that like the judges who judged the olympia in 97 you cant or dont want to see dorian's lot of flaws on that day.. let's forget all about his deformed arm,.. his physique was not summetrical or proportioned from top to bottom.. relatively very small shoulders and arms.. bug belly... soft and torn quads and small for his calves.. why you always talk about nasser's soft back and never talked about how dorian's quads were soft in 97??..
if bb is not proportion and symmetry and shape (dorian missed all these 3) so what is it??.. size??.. even this dorian didn't carry it well on that day!!..
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wolf will never win because he's an incomplete lazy bber...
BTW, he should call the police, because someone stole one of his calves.
you are just hating because a white dude has the best X frame in the game right now
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What's gayer is people with 30k posts on a bodybuilding site complaining about bodybuilding.
Not quite as gay as having 4500+ posts and still not being recognized....... :-\
Who are you again ???
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Ya know, I usually bash on Wolf but...this time, I think he finally looked like a contender. I think he shoulda, coulda placed higher. If Martinez could ever just hit that conditioning, it would change things...and Dexter also looked great. But Wolf, if he keeps this up and manages to fill out where he needs to, really could be a contender.
I'm just blown away by what Heath brought on that stage though...although a fully ripped (and non injured) Cutler, in my book, could have won. But Phil's just crazy, and only getting better.
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I guess if you analyze individual body parts you can always find flaws. The thing I like about Wolf is the total package. The way he is put together. HIs stage presence. Standing alone or with the group he stands out. I don't think it's just because of his height or shoulder width because Freeman is very comparable but Tony doesn't shine through like Wolf does. Face it, there not only a lot of subjectivity in the sport but politics. I don't follow the sport that closely, just what I get from here, but as they were announcing the placings, I could pretty much, as I'm sure most you could also, determine the placings. Not necessarily by physique but by name recognition. If Jay wasn't Jay and this was his first O he wouldn't have made the top 5 but you knew it was always between Jay and Phil. Wolf was definitely on but he wasn't going to beat Kai. I was just pretty sure that he and Victor were interchangeable and wasn't exactly sure where they put Dex.
Right now I think the most credible pro show is the Arnold. It's big enough to attract the top guys except the current Mr. O and there's not as much politics.
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lmao ya he might be dexter from the back, but thats it
come on white guys, we all kow you want a tall pale skinned guy as mr olympia, but wolfs lats only take up 1/4 of his torso, his arms have shitty shape, no peak to the bicep and no roundness to the tricep (though they are huge arms), he has good sweep to his quads but he doesnt have any defintionor striationg down by his knees at the insertion points, ffrom the back his hams look thin... he just cant place ahead of guys like victor phil and kai when they are on point, much better aesthetics.
If I recall you are white. Why are you playing the race card your self hating little prick!
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If I recall you are white. Why are you playing the race card your self hating little prick!
Loves getting plowed by Black men. Seriously. No joke or criticism. He's very open about his sexual proclivities.
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BS, Wolf is great from the front but look where his lats stop in the back double bi. Look at Kai "The Grapefruit" Greene and you will see a bb with a back that can approach that of Yates and Coleman if he can ever come in ripped and diced. Wolf is great and maybe should have got third at best. He difinitely beat Jay. I don't think he really has the shape to beat Kai. Plus, he was in great conditioning but when he posed he did not look as impressive as Phil. My buddy is an iFBB judge out of New Jersey and was at the show. He had Phil one all the way.
bullshit. The only one with something like 'lower lats' is Phil in this picture...
kays torso is too short, all other have only wide midsections and that is not a really good thing...
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You love negro dick in your ass and that's a fact
Lol
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Sometimes I wonder on the Dorian threads (wait, wasn't this one supposed to be about Wolf?) how many people are just looking at pictures and weren't even there the time Dorian was the man to beat.
He really was "all that". Despite the arm extremely dominant in his early years and in the latter, well, he still did what we could. Agreed on the point, though, that one should logically not get a perfect score with a torn bicep, just like I hope Dennis should not ever get one with his atrophied calf either.
Fortunately for him, Shawn and Flex were too small and too much the same year after year with no changes, Nasser too blocky and lacking a major bodypart. Kevin was the one true threat, he could at his best bring everything Dorian could and better.
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I thought he could have placed ahead of Victor
could have? you mean should have. personally i would have placed him ahead of kai. wolf is what bbing is suppose to be about. huge with a small waist. minus the calves and high lat insertions he is near perfection IMO
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you are just hating because a white dude has the best X frame in the game right now
This.
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Who said Dorian 1997 was perfect or had no flaws? if you knew how contests were judged you would know exactly how Dorian can win with a perfect score , but you don't know how contests are judged so you'll just draw your own ignorant conclusion and be happy with that
pssssssssstttttttt Dorian could lose three mandatory poses and still finish with a perfect score wanna know why?
Change the judging standard then becuase Dorian looked like shit and had no arms.
If you truly believe that someone that looks like Jay should even be in bodybuilding then you are a lost cause. You ask a thousand people who looks more impressive between Jay and Wolf and everybody wod say Wolf.
Bodybuilding judges being lauded as some kind of authorities lol.
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Wolf wasnt close to being as dry or lean as he was in Columbus. He was bigger, but not better. I think he faded at the prejudging and Vic passed him. Victor ALWAYS gets harder and drier the more he poses.
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Change the judging standard then becuase Dorian looked like shit and had no arms.
If you truly believe that someone that looks like Jay should even be in bodybuilding then you are a lost cause. You ask a thousand people who looks more impressive between Jay and Wolf and everybody wod say Wolf.
Bodybuilding judges being lauded as some kind of authorities lol.
Got it , screw how contests and judged and base everything on what the general public finds attractive ::)
If the bodybuilding judges picked who you like then they would be lauded as some kind of authorities though , as long as they bend to your ideal ::)
I don't like Jay's physique , I would never want to look like him , but if you knew how contests were judged then you'd understand why he wins , you can bitch & moan about what should happen , what could happen , I deal with what did happen.
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Change the judging standard then becuase Dorian looked like shit and had no arms.
If you truly believe that someone that looks like Jay should even be in bodybuilding then you are a lost cause. You ask a thousand people who looks more impressive between Jay and Wolf and everybody wod say Wolf.
Bodybuilding judges being lauded as some kind of authorities lol.
he wasn't even joking here.
Oh boy lol , it's an opinion that 12 individuals are come to the exact same conclusion on. their opinion is knowledge , informed and unbiased , everything yours is NOT which is exactly why you come to some of your wacky conclusion , ignorance. You don't even know what it takes to judge at the Olympia level and how judges are chosen and you don't care , you've made up your mind and nothing is gonna change it
Their opinions are FACTS and the fact is their opinion made Heath Mr Olympia and Jay second and Wolf not even close , the general bodybuilding population do NOT judge contest so their opinion on the subject means fuck-all in the scheme of things and the general bodybuilding population are all like you , clueless on how the game is even played , yet you think your opinion matters , your opinion is just as you projected on the judges , bias , ignorant and flawed.
go learn how contests are judged and then you'll have a clue , if not keep bitching on the internets it's working out great for thus far.
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he wasn't even joking here.
when your hero wins , or your ideal , then the judging is on the up-and-up and all is right in the world , hypocrites
translation - ' I like pretty physiques and they should win ' ::)
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when your hero wins , or your ideal , then the judging is on the up-and-up and all is right in the world , hypocrites
translation - ' I like pretty physiques and they should win ' ::)
I do not uses judges opinions in my arguments. i don't use judges opinions in my arguments. i don't use judges opinions in my arguments.
i do not use judges opinions in my arguments, only you do, only you find the judges totally unbiased.
say this phrase out loud a few times to help you learn it, then print it off a few times and practice it flash card style "Nirvana does not use judges opinions in his arguments." then reply, but not til after you've learned that i do not use judges opinions in my arguments, that's you.
Oh boy lol , it's an opinion that 12 individuals are come to the exact same conclusion on. their opinion is knowledge , informed and unbiased , everything yours is NOT which is exactly why you come to some of your wacky conclusion , ignorance. You don't even know what it takes to judge at the Olympia level and how judges are chosen and you don't care , you've made up your mind and nothing is gonna change it
Their opinions are FACTS and the fact is their opinion made Heath Mr Olympia and Jay second and Wolf not even close , the general bodybuilding population do NOT judge contest so their opinion on the subject means fuck-all in the scheme of things and the general bodybuilding population are all like you , clueless on how the game is even played , yet you think your opinion matters , your opinion is just as you projected on the judges , bias , ignorant and flawed.
go learn how contests are judged and then you'll have a clue , if not keep bitching on the internets it's working out great for thus far.
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I do not uses judges opinions in my arguments. i don't use judges opinions in my arguments. i don't use judges opinions in my arguments.
i do not use judges opinions in my arguments, only you do, only you find the judges totally unbiased.
say this phrase out loud a few times to help you learn it, then print it off a few times and practice it flash card style "Nirvana does not use judges opinions in his arguments." then reply, but not til after you've learned that i do not use judges opinions in my arguments, that's you.
I do not uses judges opinions in my arguments. i don't use judges opinions in my arguments. i don't use judges opinions in my arguments.
Neither do I , I use the judging criteria. big difference , you don't even know the criteria your opinion is lacking.
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It was between Wolf and Victor for the 3 place imo. No way should Kai place so high this year, he looked almost the same as last year - soft and big! Wolf was the hardest of them all, and Victor had some crazy flow and density to his muscle this year. Best Ive seen from both of them in a while. I can only hope both of them is placing higher next year. Its good to see they are both in the mix again though, especially Martinez... :)
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Neither do I , I use the judging criteria. big difference , you don't even know the criteria your opinion is lacking.
does the judging criteria only involve calves. because that's the only thing cutler beats wolf with
at the 2011 olympia wolf had better symmetry, size, conditioning, and balance. pics have been posting to prove this.
PS saying "you don't know the criteria or how contests are judged" does not prove me wrong.
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does the judging criteria only involve calves. because that's the only thing cutler beats wolf with
at the 2011 olympia wolf had better symmetry, size, conditioning, and balance. pics have been posting to prove this.
PS saying "you don't know the criteria or how contests are judged" does not prove me wrong.
I know you don't know the criteria your posts prove this time and time again.
Wolf is lacking a LOT when it comes to the criteria and it's why he's not fighting for the title , if we believed your version of the story , it sounds like he's a lock for multiple Mr Olymia titles and he doesn't come close , why?
politics , racism , xenophobia , bias , etc. pick your poison
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I know you don't know the criteria your posts prove this time and time again.
Wolf is lacking a LOT when it comes to the criteria and it's why he's not fighting for the title , if we believed your version of the story , it sounds like he's a lock for multiple Mr Olymia titles and he doesn't come close , why?
politics , racism , xenophobia , bias , etc. pick your poison
what does cutler beat wolf in
symmetry? hell no
proportion? not with his bad symmetry and horrible waist
conditioning? no too bloofy and syntholed
balance? hahaha
size? nope
structure? wolf has the best
the total package? no that's why he's called the fridge.
calves? ok I forgot, all that matters is calves. you're right cutler is better.
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wolfs lats only take up 1/4 of his torso, his arms have shitty shape, no peak to the bicep and no roundness to the tricep (though they are huge arms), he has good sweep to his quads but he doesnt have any defintionor striationg down by his knees at the insertion points, ffrom the back his hams look thin... he just cant place ahead of guys like victor phil and kai when they are on point, much better aesthetics.
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kai is completely not aesthetic
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kai is completely not aesthetic
his abs have gotten out ofcontrol lately but other than that he has much better aesthetics than wolf, a whole lot thicker and rounder everywhere and in eey pose except the crap most muscular .. and thats just cuz dennis is the only pro who seems to know how to hit that shot correctly these days..
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what does cutler beat wolf in
symmetry? hell no
proportion? not with his bad symmetry and horrible waist
conditioning? no too bloofy and syntholed
balance? hahaha
size? nope
structure? wolf has the best
the total package? no that's why he's called the fridge.
calves? ok I forgot, all that matters is calves. you're right cutler is better.
well you have all the answers , it's funny 12 different judges couldn't agree with you ;)
You see what you want.
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You make some very valid points
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extremely aesthetic when gut is kept in control
(http://www.bodybuilders.com.au/forum/download/file.php?id=11914)
(http://www.spiderwebx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/img_47741306687362.jpg)
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT4LvBTW_kWcM4PwijBNN7186A_zOYmfGblJwj6bb8vrV87rt1T6yXg8t4E)
(http://www.bodybuildingpro.com/australiapro2010/final-15281268510163.jpg)
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Wolf wasnt close to being as dry or lean as he was in Columbus. He was bigger, but not better. I think he faded at the prejudging and Vic passed him. Victor ALWAYS gets harder and drier the more he poses.
Maybe Vic got harder and drier but more than Wolf?
(http://www.team-andro.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/11590/normal_DSC_2055~0.jpg)
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Quoting yourself doesn't prove your point. When do peaked biceps win competitions? When exactly do striated quads win Olympias? They don't and neither does "aesthetics". Your knowledge of professional bodybuilding is like everything else, lacking substance.
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kai is "aesthetic" ???
in this context, the word "aesthetic" means beautiful.
kai is a midget who looks like he's had four vertebrae removed. he has the ugliest face in bodybuilding at present.* his waist is the size of a planet. his arms are very oddly shaped. i think tbombz is right about wolf having badly shaped (though large) arms, but kai's are just as bad. Phil has pleasing if suspiciously large arms. Ronnie had awesome looking arms. Kevin and shawn had beautiful arms. Kai's biceps are very short and look like a slime ball that has gained sentience and is trying to escape. His quads, while absolutely enormous and striated, are the definition of ugly:
(http://www.wear2gym.de/news/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/kai-greene.jpg)
they look almost square from the front, short vastus intermedius / rectus femoris, and monstrous sartorious, and even his medialis looks like some poorly squeezed dollop of toothpaste in this shot.
this is what an aesthetic thigh looks like:
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_T5f9hTJ3dgo/TOU5vAh_LRI/AAAAAAAAAAU/ugFqAVrUGDc/S748/Arnold_legs.jpg)
also, kai's traps appear puny from behind.
phil has "aesthetic" muscles, bones, skin, etc. same as victor, brandon curry, lionel beyeke, etc.
but kai?!?!
*probably not true but i can't be bothered to think hard about this
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Aestethics, structure, proportion, symmetry and shape is not as valued as conditioned separated size is.
Aestethics, graininess and muscle maturity must be the most inflated and undefined expressions in all of BB.
Personally I really dont think kai is aestethic. Neither phil or jay. Neither freeman, samuel, rockel, hide, branch etc. The 2010s isnt an aestethic decade (yet) IMO.
I'd say Dexter, Wolf and Victor may be the more aestethic and better structured bbers in top layer of the mr o line up. I like that their proportions do not render them short and stumpy first and foremost.
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his abs have gotten out ofcontrol lately but other than that he has much better aesthetics than wolf, a whole lot thicker and rounder everywhere and in eey pose except the crap most muscular .. and thats just cuz dennis is the only pro who seems to know how to hit that shot correctly these days..
Errr no. He has no taper and is blocky as hell. I can understand why someone like you would like that build though.
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Wolf definitely has the best structure and from the pics, it looks like he got robbed. Should have placed ahead of Vic, Kai and Jay. As mcuh as I think Phil is overrated, he won soundly. But Wolf could and should have been second. Overall, it was a very mediocre Olympia.