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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: Roger Bacon on September 20, 2011, 06:58:06 AM
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I have a question, I know this thread has probably been done before but please bare with me. I understand that protein is protein (although protein with a more complete amino acid structure is better for building muscle?), calories are calories, etc.
Would I be wrong in believing that a larger diversity of nutrients, and better protein are to be gainedd from something like a home made hamburger versus a big mac (which contains the exact same listed calories, protein, vitamins, etc?)? Or something like a can of spaghetti o's versus homemade spaghetti?
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Why in the hell do Mexicans get a 600 calorie Big Mac with more fat? ???
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Also, am I wrong in my belief that some foods are metabolized at different rates or effect the speed of metabolism? So in essence a calorie is a calorie, but different foods can effect your basal metabolic rate in different ways?
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I have a question, I know this thread has probably been done before but please bare with me. I understand that protein is protein (although protein with a more complete amino acid structure is better for building muscle?), calories are calories, etc.
Would I be wrong in believing that a larger diversity of nutrients, and better protein are to be gainedd from something like a home made hamburger versus a big mac (which contains the exact same listed calories, protein, vitamins, etc?)? Or something like a can of spaghetti o's versus homemade spaghetti?
It depends on your ingredients and your recipe. I can make Six Cheese Hamburger using Short Rib that will taste way better than Fast Food place on earth, but it will be a lot more calories and fat as well.
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Also, am I wrong in my belief that some foods are metabolized at different rates or effect the speed of metabolism? So in essence a calorie is a calorie, but different foods can effect your basal metabolic rate in different ways?
I always thought food metabolized / digested in this sort of order from quickest to slowest:
Simple Sugars
Complex Carbs.
Proteins
Fats and Oils.
Is this correct? I'm not real sure how it effects your BMR. There is a bunch of mathematics on wikipedia to figure that out. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate Maybe some other folks can fill in the blanks a bit more.
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Home cooked normally tastes way better and is less processed. But I have no shame in eating fast food from time to time. You don't need to be an elitist food critique.
I think TA confided, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, that even a master chef congratulated McDicks for their Big Mac burger. It tastes fucking good! That's the end of that discussion.
There's no bad foods, other than some unhealthy or disproportioate amounts of things like sugar, trans fat and processed items. Eat those sparingly but don't obsess. "Diet" is simple. Just eat in moderation and don't go nuts 24/7 on too many calories in a single sitting. Macronutrient timing helps but not as much as people give it credit for.
Unless you're a muscled 6% and trying to shave off even more fat you can forget most "diet" advice.
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It depends on your ingredients and your recipe. I can make Six Cheese Hamburger using Short Rib that will taste way better than Fast Food place on earth, but it will be a lot more calories and fat as well.
I understand, but assuming your short rib burger contains the exact same calories/fat/protein as the big mac, wouldn't your home made burger be "healthier" over all?
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I always thought food metabolized / digested in this sort of order from quickest to slowest:
Simple Sugars
Complex Carbs.
Proteins
Fats and Oils.
Is this correct? I'm not real sure how it effects your BMR. There is a bunch of mathematics on wikipedia to figure that out. Go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate Maybe some other folks can fill in the blanks a bit more.
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Thanks, that's very helpful and interesting!
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I love baffling the cashiers at mcdonalds with questions regading macronutrients and protein assimilation rates.
not at my usual Mcd. You gotta treat the usuals with love.
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Home cooked normally tastes way better and is less processed. But I have no shame in eating fast food from time to time. You don't need to be an elitist food critique.
I think TA confided, and he can correct me if I'm wrong, that even a master chef congratulated McDicks for their Big Mac burger. It tastes fucking good! That's the end of that discussion.
There's no bad foods, other than some unhealthy or disproportioate amounts of things like sugar, trans fat and processed items. Eat those sparingly but don't obsess. "Diet" is simple. Just eat in moderation and don't go nuts 24/7 on too many calories in a single sitting. Macronutrient timing helps but not as much as people give it credit for.
Unless you're a muscled 6% and trying to shave off even more fat you can forget most "diet" advice.
This^^^ I agree!
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I love baffling the cashiers at mcdonalds with questions regading macronutrients and protein assimilation rates.
not at my usual Mcd. You gotta treat the usuals with love.
You must be an INTJ like me! ;D
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You must be an INTJ like me! ;D
What others see as arrogance, I simply see as finding ways to make each day more entertaining than the last!
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I highly doubt that you could build or find a better hamburger than the McDonalds double cheeseburger for $1.29.
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I understand, but assuming your short rib burger contains the exact same calories/fat/protein as the big mac, wouldn't your home made burger be "healthier" over all?
Nope.
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I highly doubt that you could build or find a better hamburger than the McDonalds double cheeseburger for $1.29.
I don`t think a better burger can be bought or made for the price of any Hardee`s burgers. Hardee`s to me, is better than Five Guys and the Shake Shack. Steak and Shake comes pretty close, but Hardee`s is king.
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Nope.
Hmmmm, interesting
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I highly doubt that you could build or find a better hamburger than the McDonalds double cheeseburger for $1.29.
You can - the Mcdouble for $1.
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Nope.
Even though the calories, protein, and fat are the same. Wouldn't your higher quality beef have to be more nutrient dense just based on the fact that your beef was raised on a better diet than the beef fast food companies use? ??? The same with high quality cheese that you would buy versus "fast food" cheese, lettuce, pickles, buns, etc...
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Even though the calories, protein, and fat are the same. Wouldn't your higher quality beef have to be more nutrient dense just based on the fact that your beef was raised on a better diet than the beef fast food companies use? ??? The same with high quality cheese that you would buy versus "fast food" cheese, lettuce, pickles, buns, etc...
Well the taste would be different, but the nutritional makeup the same as far as the body metabolizing it is concerned.
PIP, check my Getbig History Lesson post. I posted the John Wright Stanly House.
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;D
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Between the gh15 Bible and TA's food Bible everyone here should he jacked and happily fed. 8)
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Well the taste would be different, but the nutritional makeup the same as far as the body metabolizing it is concerned.
PIP, check my Getbig History Lesson post. I posted the John Wright Stanly House.
Cool, and thanks! I'm checking that thread now! 8)
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Cool, and thanks! I'm checking that thread now! 8)
Can't find it, help!
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Can't find it, help!
Someone had it deleted. :-\
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Someone had it deleted. :-\
Assholes! You should start a blog, I believe you could throw some ads on, and make some good money.
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Adonis, what do you think about grass fed vs grain fed beef?
It seems grass fed beef has a much different ratio of fat types than the more commonly found grain fed beef. Do you believe this is significant?
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Adonis, what do you think about grass fed vs grain fed beef?
It seems grass fed beef has a much different ratio of fat types than the more commonly found grain fed beef. Do you believe this is significant?
On the documentary Food INC. (which Adonis probably isn't a fan of ;D), they show how cows that eat grain build up some kind of puss or mucus in their stomachs because they can't correctly digest grain.
Farm animals, like humans, are healthiest when they eat certain foods. Cows, have stomachs that are designed to digest grass. Pigs can digest grass, corn, grains, soy and other plants. Chickens and turkeys can eat plants as well as bugs and worms found on the pasture. When animals are fed conventional (or industrial) feed, which can include animal products, antibiotics, and other unnatural substances such as chewing gum and chicken manure, their health is put in jeopardy. And when an animal is unhealthy, the meat and other products made from it will also be less healthy.
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Adonis, what do you think about grass fed vs grain fed beef?
It seems grass fed beef has a much different ratio of fat types than the more commonly found grain fed beef. Do you believe this is significant?
health wise there would be a difference mabey a very small difference in bodybuilding value.
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On the documentary Food INC. (which Adonis probably isn't a fan of ;D), they show how cows that eat grain build up some kind of puss or mucus in their stomachs because they can't correctly digest grain.
No difference whatsoever health wise as you are cooking the beef. Even if you ate it rare, there would be no significant difference. If anyone wants to argue I am more than willing to post studies demonstrating this.
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If raised properly grains should be fed to cattle only to help fatten them up. Mixtures of grains (oats, barley, wheat, corn) are preferable. On our farm we always called it 'chops'. This was in addition to letting the cattle wander around and eat grass. We never fed them ONLY grain.
Then when raised correctly, as Adonis says eating the meat doesn't make a difference. Raised correctly being the key word here. What Food Inc. shows is the ABUSE of the animals as they are fed ONLY corn, no exercise, and no grass. This is because corn is cheap and it fattens better than anything else. Of course, when you get paid by the pound you not concerned with quality.
Worse yet cows are given rbGH (cow growth hormones), steroids like finaplix, and several other chemicals. Plus cows are not designed to eat nothing but corn. This introduces more risk of e-coli bacteria because the natural chemicals of grass + the cow stomach acids mostly neutralize e-coli. If fed ONLY corn/grain then the risk increases.
Food Inc. then goes on to show how (keep in mind high risk cows for e-coli) are standing knee deep in crap. Gee where does most bacterial like that live? Hmmm. The larger companies then try avoid this bacteria by washing and processing the meat with ammonia. Yum! So in short you are eating lots of chemicals.
Just imagine if they raised the animals correctly. Then there would be no need for chemicals, no roids, no GH, etc. Sadly Food Inc. does point out that some 70% of processed beef comes from these places that raise the cows in an incorrect manner.
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No difference whatsoever health wise as you are cooking the beef. Even if you ate it rare, there would be no significant difference. If anyone wants to argue I am more than willing to post studies demonstrating this.
I'm not, I've been so successful with your dieting methods though that I'm starting to believe you in this area as much as I don't want to. :-\ lol
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If raised properly grains should be fed to cattle only to help fatten them up. Mixtures of grains (oats, barley, wheat, corn) are preferable. On our farm we always called it 'chops'. This was in addition to letting the cattle wander around and eat grass. We never fed them ONLY grain.
Then when raised correctly, as Adonis says eating the meat doesn't make a difference. Raised correctly being the key word here. What Food Inc. shows is the ABUSE of the animals as they are fed ONLY corn, no exercise, and no grass. This is because corn is cheap and it fattens better than anything else. Of course, when you get paid by the pound you not concerned with quality.
Worse yet cows are given rbGH (cow growth hormones), steroids like finaplix, and several other chemicals. Plus cows are not designed to eat nothing but corn. This introduces more risk of e-coli bacteria because the natural chemicals of grass + the cow stomach acids mostly neutralize e-coli. If fed ONLY corn/grain then the risk increases.
Food Inc. then goes on to show how (keep in mind high risk cows for e-coli) are standing knee deep in crap. Gee where does most bacterial like that live? Hmmm. The larger companies then try avoid this bacteria by washing and processing the meat with ammonia. Yum! So in short you are eating lots of chemicals.
Just imagine if they raised the animals correctly. Then there would be no need for chemicals, no roids, no GH, etc. Sadly Food Inc. does point out that some 70% of processed beef comes from these places that raise the cows in an incorrect manner.
Very interesting post, thanks!
These cows take all this GH, yet they can't ever really bring their lats up... ::)