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From his thread over on Pro Muscle..http://www.professionalmuscle.com/forums/professional-muscle-forum/51757-im-going-kick-myself-doing.html
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"I've been really busy lately with so many things but after looking over this board and a few others that I frequent I have to ask why so many guys stay on for the better part of the year? Why do so many guys believe that the key to getting big comes in the form of drugs? This is not a rant but a serious question. Why is it that in most of the threads where I read about a guy that has been on for a very long time or is taking very high dosages is TYPICALLYwritten by a guy who isn't that big? This website easily has some of the best athletes in the world on it and I feel safe in assuming that MOST of these guys spend a good amount of time growing naturally or at the very least on Dr prescribed dosages of HRT. Why can't some guys understand that success in this sport is about a hell of a lot more than the amount of gear you use or how long you are using. I don't like to bring up names but i know for a fact that a guy who has placed in the top five at the USA's as a SHW who used to be a member of this board would spend his entire offseason clean. He used food, rest, and smart training to grow while also giving his body a break from any anabolics.
Am I the only one who believes that you can continue to grow while being clean for the better part of the year? I really want to hear some peoples opinions on the matter so please explain why you feel that I am either correct or a complete idiot."
"I may have been a bit poor at explaining my thoughts throughout the thread but I am going to take my time and do so now. My point is that I believe that the best way to put on muscle year in and year out while also taking care of your health and making sure that you can still have children at some point in life is to be on for no more than half of a year. I know for a fact that I could take a guy with good genes to over 300 lbs while only being on for half of the year or less and never having him take more than 800-1000mg of test per week while on and a combined total of all anabolics never going above 1500mg per. I also know that I could get this guy to these marks without EVER letting him run GH, Insulin, or IGF-1. Now, during his off time I would have him cycle down with HCG, Clomid, and an anti e if needed. He would run 200mg of Dr Prescribed test for about a month before taking him down to no super supplements. Yes, the HCG would still play a roll while off.
Now that he is completely off he would drop some weight (10-15lbs if he was eating clean enough while on) and then stabilize. At this point he would rely completely on nutrition, training, and rest to start taking his muscle mass back up the ladder. As he would continue to train naturally he would begin to gain that 10-15lbs back but this time it would be more solid tissue and less water. His diet would need to be perfect and he would need to pay very close attention to his recovery knowing full well that he is back to being human. The attention to detail would need to be nearly perfect with weakly pictures, measurements, bodyfat testing, and watching his log book climb back to where it was while on. Now, he may never gain all of that weight back but he will be climbing back up in weight/muscle mass while off. Once he goes back on for a very short blast he will be doing so well with nutrition, training, rest, etc.. he will once again gain at a more rapid rate while combining these attributes with his base anabolics. After going back off this guy would stay clear of all anabolics until ramping up for his show.
I want to once again point out that this is an example of what I would do to get a guy with good genes as big as possible without making his wife who wants to be a Mommy kill me assuming I had an entire year before he would be competing. After a few years this guy with good genes would go from about 215 lbs natural to over 300 lbs all while never touching the more advanced supplements that so many of you think he must have used. I would tell this guy if you are still advancing without the use of GH, Slin, IGF, etc.. why not leave some tricks in the bag for when you need them. You see, the way I see it if you are using crazy doses and every drug out there to win a regional show what are you going to change to win a national show? Or if you had to use all of these crazy doses to win a National show what are you going to do to make the giant leap needed to compete at the pro level? Leave some tricks in the bag for when you need them.
Bottom line this is how I know I could get a guy to over 300 lbs with a good physique and lots of tricks still in the bag to keep that physique getting better. My guy would be following a very similiar plan and would shock some people once he did bring in a little higher doses, GH, and slin."
Dusty
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'bring a guy in at 300 pounds on no more than 1000mg test a week and no more than 1500mg total NOT using gh igf or insulin.'
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Asking a bber what drugs he's on and expecting an honest answer is like asking a girl how many guys she's fucked. Always 5........or 500mg. :D
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'bring a guy in at 300 pounds on no more than 1000mg test a week and no more than 1500mg total NOT using gh igf or insulin.'
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if he talking offseason...they yes it can be done. if he is around 6ft or so
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Asking a bber what drugs he's on and expecting an honest answer is like asking a girl how many guys she's fucked. Always 5........or 500mg. :D
actually a girl i dated did answer me honestly once. she said " i don't know 50 or so"? :o
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Reminds me of DoggShitt and his 500 mg/week road to 300 lbs. ::)
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Reminds me of DoggShitt and his 500 mg/week road to 300 lbs. ::)
Lying sacks of shit that like to pretend their ''superior genectics'' are what gets them big rather than giving credit to the hormones ::) these fruits always say you just need 500mg Test and 300mg Deca per week and if you dont get big then you dont have the genetics ::) stupid kunts
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Lying sacks of shit that like to pretend their ''superior genectics'' are what gets them big rather than giving credit to the hormones ::) these fruits always say you just need 500mg Test and 300mg Deca per week and if you dont get big then you dont have the genetics ::) stupid kunts
Sad thing is that I'd have believed these tossers if I hadn't read the bible. Oh, and I would have bought into that PCT shit. ::)
Lying wanks, the bunch of 'em.
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Sad thing is that I'd have believed these tossers if I hadn't read the bible. Oh, and I would have bought into that PCT shit. ::)
Lying wanks, the bunch of 'em.
Same here, thankfully after reading gh15 bible and actually following it i can just laugh at the dantas and dustys, bunch of losers ::)
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just like his teacher Danta..Rasta is a liar.
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If you use the proper calculations to translate what pros like Dusty say, I believe them.
Doses, multiply those by 3-6... it depends on how "modest" they're being.
Time off, divide that by 3.
Time on, multiple that by 3.
When they say they don't use a particular drug like GH, T3 or Insulin it just means they don't mega dose it, but they do use it.
Etc...
So yes, I can believe what Dusty's saying. Just make sure to triple the doses he talks about, divide the "time off" he talks about and don't listen to the part where he talks about putting on muscle naturally because he really means they're just on bodybuilder-dose TRT (GENEROUS TRT including GH and all other anabolics). Their TRT is probably a bit less than a gram to "clean the receptors" and give their body a break. I believe him!
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I wouldn't be suprised if Dusty is the biggest abuser of them all, dude is a fucken liar. The way he lies to those kids on intensemuscle makes me sick to my stomach. Oh yes I was one of them, asked for his advice many times over the years and guess what, it never worked :o Of course it's my fault I have shitty genes I mean I was 16 years old and natural but since I wasnt 190lbs and lean .. I obviously "didnt have it". After all, we cant all be like the mighty Dusty walking around 312lbs at 5'10 in the offseason on 750mg test, 300mg deca, without ever laying a hand on insulin, aint that right DAntA? ;D And Dont start with that flinstones 20 year old who cant aspirate garbage I still dont aspirate and never will, you paranoid pussy . no hate, brother ;) u could probably buy another house thanks to all the money I spent on your worthless
garbage supplements :-*
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If you use the proper calculations to translate what pros like Dusty say, I believe them.
Doses, multiply those by 3-6... it depends on how "modest" they're being.
Time off, divide that by 3.
Time on, multiple that by 3.
When they say they don't use a particular drug like GH, T3 or Insulin it just means they don't mega dose it, but they do use it.
Etc...
So yes, I can believe what Dusty's saying. Just make sure to triple the doses he talks about, divide the "time off" he talks about and don't listen to the part where he talks about putting on muscle naturally because he really means they're just on bodybuilder-dose TRT (GENEROUS TRT including GH and all other anabolics). Their TRT is probably a bit less than a gram to "clean the receptors" and give their body a break. I believe him!
nice. gh15 will love this :D
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actually a girl i dated did answer me honestly once. she said " i don't know 50 or so"? :o
you should have slapped her. Did you continue after that? disgusting lol.
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"you're the first guy i've done this with"
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Am I the only one who believes that you can continue to grow while being clean for the better part of the year?
Yes I would imagine that you are if you yourself really believe it.
I know for a fact that I could take a guy with good genes to over 300 lbs while only being on for half of the year or less and never having him take more than 800-1000mg of test per week while on and a combined total of all anabolics never going above 1500mg per. I also know that I could get this guy to these marks without EVER letting him run GH, Insulin, or IGF-1. Now, during his off time I would have him cycle down with HCG, Clomid, and an anti e if needed. He would run 200mg of Dr Prescribed test for about a month before taking him down to no super supplements. Yes, the HCG would still play a roll while off.
He never mentions at what level of body fat Mr 300 pounds would be at. My guess is about 30% and no I'm not exaggerating. Clomid, HCG and anti E's are all BS in playing a part in any way at keeping muscle mass, include the 200mgs of test in there also.
Now that he is completely off he would drop some weight (10-15lbs if he was eating clean enough while on) and then stabilize. At this point he would rely completely on nutrition, training, and rest to start taking his muscle mass back up the ladder. As he would continue to train naturally he would begin to gain that 10-15lbs back but this time it would be more solid tissue and less water.
So this part makes ZERO sense. So he is going to increase this man's muscle mass with steroids and while he's off he will lose 15 pounds then will gain it back naturally BUT WAIT FOR IT, this regained mass will be solid mass with no water unlike the bloofy fake muscle that steroids build?????? WTF???? maybe GH15's fake muscle posts really are true.
Bottom line this is how I know I could get a guy to over 300 lbs with a good physique and lots of tricks still in the bag to keep that physique getting better. My guy would be following a very similiar plan and would shock some people once he did bring in a little higher doses, GH, and slin."
and he finishes his post with "I have lots of tricks left in the bag" So steroids don't build muscle but "tricks" do???? I got no beef with Dusty, but this while post is just ludicrous.
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actually a girl i dated did answer me honestly once. she said " i don't know 50 or so"? :o
I was taking a chick home from the bar, I knew her decently well. On the cab ride home she said her number was 23ish. I didn't bang her that night haha, I literaly had no desire to touch her. I woke up in the morning and she was sleeping naked on top of the covers, I was just disgusted lol.
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Asking a bber what drugs he's on and expecting an honest answer is like asking a girl how many guys she's fucked. Always 5........or 500mg. :D
LOL!
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Dusty is actually very smart when it comes to training and undersanding the business.
When I worked for Iforce, he helped create alot of their formuals and was very bright
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Dusty is actually very smart when it comes to training and undersanding the business.
When I worked for Iforce, he helped create alot of their formuals and was very bright
Like I said nothing against him, but why does he post stuff that isn't true? You are not going to create a 300 pound BBer with 1000mgs of test. Test is a shit drug anyway.
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I didn't read that but read it previously. I'm sure he's talking about how he's growing when OFF.
That part to me is complete bullshit. There is no growing off gear, especially when at that level.
The BEST case scenario is holding on to a good part for a few weeks while blasting GH and HCG during the "off" time,
which is hardly off really.
I remember arguing about this with b-boy and Dusty. Don't know if b-boy would still say he's gaining when off.
And even if putting some weight back after crashing it's not really gaining per se... to me gaining is whne you're going past
previous levels. All the rest is maintenance and regaining of a small portion of previously held muscle.
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Dusty is actually very smart when it comes to training and undersanding the business.
When I worked for Iforce, he helped create alot of their formuals and was very bright
your right, he is very smart,which is why disgusted just asked the milliondollar question. Why would a smart guy like Dusty post stuff like that? Not like he believes it anyways. He may be a "good guy" when you worked with him, but he is a douchebag for doing that plain and simple.
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I didn't read that but read it previously. I'm sure he's talking about how he's growing when OFF.
That part to me is complete bullshit. There is no growing off gear, especially when at that level.
The BEST case scenario is holding on to a good part for a few weeks while blasting GH and HCG during the "off" time,
which is hardly off really.
I remember arguing about this with b-boy and Dusty. Don't know if b-boy would still say he's gaining when off.
And even if putting some weight back after crashing it's not really gaining per se... to me gaining is whne you're going past
previous levels. All the rest is maintenance and regaining of a small portion of previously held muscle.
I remember that. Dante made a huge argument claiming you could gain gobs of muscle mass in the offseason without anabolics, as long as you had healthy endo test levels.
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I remember that. Dante made a huge argument claiming you could gain gobs of muscle mass in the offseason without anabolics, as long as you had healthy endo test levels.
It just doesn't make sense. I couldn't wrap my head around what Dusty was claiming and it looked like he didn't understand where I was coming from either. I tried to get him to clarify and it didn't go anywhere.
Phil Hernon said something good on promuscle on this topic.
THERE IS NO SUCH AN ANIMAL AS KEEPING GAINS FORM INDUCING HORMONES AND THEN REMOVING THEM. WHEN YOU PULL THE TABLECLOTH THE PLATES COME WITH IT............IN REAL LIFE
And then not just maintaining but keep gaining muscle on top of what you achieved on steroids? WTF?
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weird how Phil is such a bullshitter but also makes good statements like this
he also said, a heavyweight bodybuilder will 100% of the time be on more shits than he was when he was a light-heavy
again a lot of pieces of shit tried to give examples of their "friends" who started as a middleweight and ended up a super-heavy from 250mg of sustanon
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Like I said nothing against him, but why does he post stuff that isn't true? You are not going to create a 300 pound BBer with 1000mgs of test. Test is a shit drug anyway.
if you were to design a stack for someone who typically runs in the 2g range what would it look like?
I'd be curious to see. I dont find test that great either. in fact I can run 400 in my stacks and go up to 800-1000 and not feel it, but add in 50mg a day of anavar w the test at 400, keeping everything else the same and sweet Jesus.
so I think your on to something there. much more bang for the buck running the same dose of other compounds.
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I didn't read that but read it previously. I'm sure he's talking about how he's growing when OFF.
That part to me is complete bullshit. There is no growing off gear, especially when at that level.
The BEST case scenario is holding on to a good part for a few weeks while blasting GH and HCG during the "off" time,
which is hardly off really.
I remember arguing about this with b-boy and Dusty. Don't know if b-boy would still say he's gaining when off.
And even if putting some weight back after crashing it's not really gaining per se... to me gaining is whne you're going past
previous levels. All the rest is maintenance and regaining of a small portion of previously held muscle.
I think he has "changed" his opinion lately. :D
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Rule of thumb: if someone's sponsored by a supplement company, don't believe ANYTHING they say regarding hormones.
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dusty was placing 5th in local shows in arizona. i worked with him at house of fitness store in scottsdale when i first moved there in 2005. they sell supplements to people and sell diet to clueless figure and bodybuilding competitors. i worked there a month then went onto working at the new golds in peoria thank god. He was working with jj marsh at the time, paying him about 3k to help him compete. he was doing the hormone rejuvenation clinic thing out of florida so was my roomate, (which later got busted and shut down). to get his gear then, he was spending allot and using allot. then he hired chris aceto, and before that he was worshiping chris whats his name, the blonde guy who never made it anywhere and tried mma.
basically dusty is a guy who wants to buy his way there. hiring top guys, spending ridiculous amounts on gear ect. which is fine i respect wanting to do things right instead of wasting time. nothing wrong with that. but his speaking about being off and making gains. total bullshit. he doesnt do that. so thats the only thing i dislike about him. spreading bullshit fairy tale lies to make himself seem as if he is gifted or something. thats the only reason im even posting this. i want you guys to know he is full if shit concerning that topic. the motivation behind the lie is to sell supplements, and make themselves seem like they are genetic gifts, which he is not. not buy a long shot
otherwise he is a good person.
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I think he has "changed" his opinion lately. :D
O YES I HAVE ;D
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O YES I HAVE ;D
lmao ;D
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if you were to design a stack for someone who typically runs in the 2g range what would it look like?
I'd be curious to see. I dont find test that great either. in fact I can run 400 in my stacks and go up to 800-1000 and not feel it, but add in 50mg a day of anavar w the test at 400, keeping everything else the same and sweet Jesus.
so I think your on to something there. much more bang for the buck running the same dose of other compounds.
I don't think one needs to go 2 grams of anabolics just because they were at 2 grams of mostly test. I think that most here could grow fine on this example and this is assuming that you would not want to use test.
eq 600 weekly
tren ace 50mg eod increase to 50mg ed or 100mg eod after a while meaning your sides diminsh
anavar if this is what you like at 60 to 80 mgs
Gh if you can afford 5ius daily
If one can grow from this then take up golf. Tweek the dose some but this is a very good dose level for most.
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I don't think one needs to go 2 grams of anabolics just because they were at 2 grams of mostly test. I think that most here could grow fine on this example and this is assuming that you would not want to use test.
eq 600 weekly
tren ace 50mg eod increase to 50mg ed or 100mg eod after a while meaning your sides diminsh
anavar if this is what you like at 60 to 80 mgs
Gh if you can afford 5ius daily
If one can grow from this then take up golf. Tweek the dose some but this is a very good dose level for most.
I'd look like justin beiber on those doses ;D
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What are your doses, Stavios?
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What are your doses, Stavios?
always around 2g of whatever product I have
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So this part makes ZERO sense. So he is going to increase this man's muscle mass with steroids and while he's off he will lose 15 pounds then will gain it back naturally BUT WAIT FOR IT, this regained mass will be solid mass with no water unlike the bloofy fake muscle that steroids build?????? WTF???? maybe GH15's fake muscle posts really are true.
:D
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dusty was placing 5th in local shows in arizona. i worked with him at house of fitness store in scottsdale when i first moved there in 2005. they sell supplements to people and sell diet to clueless figure and bodybuilding competitors. i worked there a month then went onto working at the new golds in peoria thank god. He was working with jj marsh at the time, paying him about 3k to help him compete. he was doing the hormone rejuvenation clinic thing out of florida so was my roomate, (which later got busted and shut down). to get his gear then, he was spending allot and using allot. then he hired chris aceto, and before that he was worshiping chris whats his name, the blonde guy who never made it anywhere and tried mma.
basically dusty is a guy who wants to buy his way there. hiring top guys, spending ridiculous amounts on gear ect. which is fine i respect wanting to do things right instead of wasting time. nothing wrong with that. but his speaking about being off and making gains. total bullshit. he doesnt do that. so thats the only thing i dislike about him. spreading bullshit fairy tale lies to make himself seem as if he is gifted or something. thats the only reason im even posting this. i want you guys to know he is full if shit concerning that topic. the motivation behind the lie is to sell supplements, and make themselves seem like they are genetic gifts, which he is not. not buy a long shot
otherwise he is a good person.
Good post. Just shows the bullshit these assholes spew on a daily basis.
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Reminds me of DoggShitt and his 500 mg/week road to 300 lbs. ::)
You can easily make 300lbs on 500mg a week, you're just going to be a fat sack of bloated shit when you get there.
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You can easily make 300lbs on 500mg a week, you're just going to be a fat sack of bloated shit when you get there.
Exactly. I have literally seen guys go 300 in the off season and end up on stage at 210.
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Exactly. I have literally seen guys go 300 in the off season and end up on stage at 210.
exactly, take a look at this guy "shelby" is dieting down
he doesn't even look all that fat in the first picture and he lost 60 lbs to look like the second picture.
AND, he still has some weight to lose to get onstage, about 15 lbs
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exactly, take a look at this guy "shelby" is dieting down
he doesn't even look all that fat in the first picture and he lost 60 lbs to look like the second picture.
AND, he still has some weight to lose to get onstage, about 15 lbs
he is 60lbs lighter in the second picture ?
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he is 60lbs lighter in the second picture ?
yes, he is around 210 according to shelby in second picture.
I hold my fat exactly like him, sometimes I don't even look that fat and I still end up losing 40 lbs
all the fat is in the back (hence the HUGE difference in waist size even he doesn't have a "belly")
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yes, he is around 210 according to shelby in second picture.
I hold my fat exactly like him, sometimes I don't even look that fat and I still end up losing 40 lbs
all the fat is in the back (hence the HUGE difference in waist size even he doesn't have a "belly")
:o i need to lean out ;D
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:o i need to lean out ;D
haha you seem to hold your bodyfat pretty evenly tho, so maybe you don't have THAT much fat to lose
hard to say 8)
I know I can be a fat fuck and my arms and legs still look pretty lean but I wouldn't take off my shirt looking like that ;D
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exactly, take a look at this guy "shelby" is dieting down
he doesn't even look all that fat in the first picture and he lost 60 lbs to look like the second picture.
AND, he still has some weight to lose to get onstage, about 15 lbs
1st pic?
I think hes the definition of "FAT AS FUCK" ;D ...for a bber ofcourse. For an average person hes "built".
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exactly, take a look at this guy "shelby" is dieting down
he doesn't even look all that fat in the first picture and he lost 60 lbs to look like the second picture.
AND, he still has some weight to lose to get onstage, about 15 lbs
Any idea what this guys cycle looks like?
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Any idea what this guys cycle looks like?
no idea shelby doesn't talk about drugs online, you have to pay him for that
but he is actually one the few guy I would "pay" to diet me down
not that expensive and his guys are shredded and full everytime
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1st pic?
I think hes the definition of "FAT AS FUCK" ;D ...for a bber ofcourse. For an average person hes "built".
I am almost as smoot as that right now ;D
ok maybe not 8)
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Looking that smooth but still having muscles underneath looks worse to me than someone skinny fat. Either bulk up to epic fatness or diet down and quit being indecisive bitches. ;D
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you should have slapped her. Did you continue after that? disgusting lol.
to be honest i did date her for alittle longer. she WAS pretty hot ;D BUT i knew that i could never marry someone like that and thats what she was looking for
BTW. she didn't have any STD's i got checked ;)
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yes, he is around 210 according to shelby in second picture.
I hold my fat exactly like him, sometimes I don't even look that fat and I still end up losing 40 lbs
all the fat is in the back (hence the HUGE difference in waist size even he doesn't have a "belly")
same here..i have huge love handles :D
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Am I the only one who believes that you can continue to grow while being clean for the better part of the year?
Yes I would imagine that you are if you yourself really believe it.
I know for a fact that I could take a guy with good genes to over 300 lbs while only being on for half of the year or less and never having him take more than 800-1000mg of test per week while on and a combined total of all anabolics never going above 1500mg per. I also know that I could get this guy to these marks without EVER letting him run GH, Insulin, or IGF-1. Now, during his off time I would have him cycle down with HCG, Clomid, and an anti e if needed. He would run 200mg of Dr Prescribed test for about a month before taking him down to no super supplements. Yes, the HCG would still play a roll while off.
He never mentions at what level of body fat Mr 300 pounds would be at. My guess is about 30% and no I'm not exaggerating. Clomid, HCG and anti E's are all BS in playing a part in any way at keeping muscle mass, include the 200mgs of test in there also.
Now that he is completely off he would drop some weight (10-15lbs if he was eating clean enough while on) and then stabilize. At this point he would rely completely on nutrition, training, and rest to start taking his muscle mass back up the ladder. As he would continue to train naturally he would begin to gain that 10-15lbs back but this time it would be more solid tissue and less water.
So this part makes ZERO sense. So he is going to increase this man's muscle mass with steroids and while he's off he will lose 15 pounds then will gain it back naturally BUT WAIT FOR IT, this regained mass will be solid mass with no water unlike the bloofy fake muscle that steroids build?????? WTF???? maybe GH15's fake muscle posts really are true.
Bottom line this is how I know I could get a guy to over 300 lbs with a good physique and lots of tricks still in the bag to keep that physique getting better. My guy would be following a very similiar plan and would shock some people once he did bring in a little higher doses, GH, and slin."
and he finishes his post with "I have lots of tricks left in the bag" So steroids don't build muscle but "tricks" do???? I got no beef with Dusty, but this while post is just ludicrous.
WHAT THE FUCK DONT U GET?
HE'S DOING THIS TO PROTECT DANTA.I JUST READ THIS SIMILAR THREAD OVER AT PRO MUSC, BOY THOSE GUYS ARE FUCKING BRAINWASHED. UD THINK WITH BIG A'S MAIN POST LISTING WHAT HE TOOK AND SHIT, AND PHIL CONSTANTLY SAYING U R ONLY AS BIG AS THE DOSE YOU ARE ON THEYD LISTEN TO THOSE TWO AND NOT FUCKING DANTA AND MASSIVAGINA. DUSTY IS GONNA FALL INTO THAT CATEGORY.
AND WAS DANTA BEING SERIOUS ABOUT PULLING BBOY OUT? MAYBE I MISREAD IT BUT HE SAID HE HAD TO "CUT TIES"WITH BBOY?
WHAT A JOKE, HOPEFULLY BBOY GETS HIS ACTUAL PRO CARD WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF DANTA. NOTHING LIKE LOSING A PRO DUE TO SOME E-DRAMA.
HOW COME PROS DONT DISAGREE WITH GH15, BIG A, PHIL HERNON AND INTERNET BODYBUILDING WARRIORS(LIKE DANTA AND SKIP) GET MORE CREDIBILITY?
AND DONT GET ME ON THIS SKIP DUDE.FOR FUCKS SAKE HIS BODY SUCKS BUTTHOLE AND HE CHARGES PEOPLE? THIS IS LIKE RAPE ON A E-BODYBUILDING LEVEL.
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weird how Phil is such a bullshitter but also makes good statements like this
he also said, a heavyweight bodybuilder will 100% of the time be on more shits than he was when he was a light-heavy
again a lot of pieces of shit tried to give examples of their "friends" who started as a middleweight and ended up a super-heavy from 250mg of sustanon
PHIL MAKES SOME BULLSHIT STUFF PUSHING HIS PEPTIDES BUT WHEN IT COMES TO REAL TALK ON TRAINING, GEAR, ETC. DUDES AS GOOD AS IT GETS.
HE'LL STAND BY WHAT BIG A SAID IN BIG A'S MAIN THREAD. SO WILL ANY PRO. BUT NOT DANTA & CREW.TROPONIN AND FUCKERS, SKIP AND BITCHES. HE SAYS U ARE AS BIG AS THE DOSE YOU ARE ON, ANYTIME SOMEONE POSTS A PICTURE OF THEMSELVES BIGGER(AS IN MORE LBM SAME CONDITION,ETC.) THEY ARE ALWAYS ON MORE STUFF, ETC. HE KEEPS IT REAL WITH THAT STUFF.
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:o i need to lean out ;D
YES UD BE FREAKY. I KEEP SAYING.
4-5IU GH,PROP,TREN,MAST BIBLE STYLE OR DITCH THE 4-5IU...BUT PROP,MAST,TREN.
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O YES I HAVE ;D
OH DAMN UR IN THIS THREAD?
WHAT DID DANTA MEAN TO YOU BY "CUTTING TIES"?
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OH DAMN UR IN THIS THREAD?
WHAT DID DANTA MEAN TO YOU BY "CUTTING TIES"?
it was only a matter of time, I think Dante got jealous of Bboy openly supporting gh15. So I take it they are no longer a fan of one another?
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it was only a matter of time, I think Dante got jealous of Bboy openly supporting gh15. So I take it they are no longer a fan of one another?
IS DANTA GONNA CUT TIES WITH BIG A TOO SPONSORING HIS SHIT ON HIS BOARD?
ASK BIG A WHAT HE THINKS ABOUT DANTA AND GH15'S STUFF. HE'S BLATANTLY TOLD US WHAT GH15 SAYS BUT NOT IN THAT MUCH DETAIL OF EVERY HORMONE, AND HE'S TOLD US PEOPLE HAVE AGENDAS(DANTA-TRUEPROTEIN) TO SELL STUFF TO KEEP YOU AWAY FROM GEAR. EVEN IN HIS MAIN THREAD, BIG A SHITTED ON DANTA. HE SQUATTED DOWN AND TOOK A POOP ON HIS FACE! AND SAYS THE SAME SHIT GH15 SAYS...ALL DRUGS.
IS DANTA GONNA CUT OFF HERNON WITH HIS LEAN BEEF AMINOS CAUSE IM QUITE SURE HERNON AGREES WITH GH15. I GOOGLED THIS QUESTION ACTUALLY AND AM TRYING TO FIND THE BOARD WHERE HE SAID HE AGREES WITH GH15, IT WASNT PRO-M SOME OTHER BOARD BUT HE DID AGREE WITH GH15 ON WHATEVER HE'S SAID.
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nice. gh15 will love this :D
lol,, wait wait im reading its stimulate me ,, im in the middle ,, i thought i skip straight to van b but those are some crazy crazy fellas the dusty fellas i want to read then respond lol
gh15 approved
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lol,, wait wait im reading its stimulate me ,, im in the middle ,, i thought i skip straight to van b but those are some crazy crazy fellas the dusty fellas i want to read then respond lol
gh15 approved
tear that shit up gh15
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Come on. No one really believes what he's talking about at all unless you're functionally retarded. Look at how dry and hard he looked 12 weeks out...
Cmon son. I'm not slow. He's better off not even mentioning the drugs because it doesn't look good when you're trying to push supplements for a company.
You're better off not even mentioning it then saying these ridiculous numbers honestly...
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Once you max out naturally you might gain 5 more pounds of muscle with no gear. In the next ten years. If you're a freak.
The only way ur putting back on those 15 pounds is if it's fat.
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OH DAMN UR IN THIS THREAD?
WHAT DID DANTA MEAN TO YOU BY "CUTTING TIES"?
yes i am guessing he meant dropping me from sponsorship, he hasn't pm'd me or emailed me so i figure i will give him some time to chill out before i ask him. crazy shit man!
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tear that shit up gh15
lol i just read this all thing,, i really have nothing to add,, my pupils just said it all and make him look like a loonaateek,, the actual fellas who have high knowldge here from van b to disguted to no one to bboy to dustin to my pupil stavio all of them sit there and laugh ,, it became an enterntaining posting its just incredible the balonie going around inorder to make money out of bodybuild,, you want to make money? get a pro card or do fitness modeling ,, why lieing to them? why putting illusion in those up and coming bodybuild only for them to sit there 175lb 6% 5'10 and ponder how come mr dundi or dusti whatevr his name is is 260lb ,, you also saw what many of them look when diet down to competition ...its a joke they lose so much weight because its not real muscle ,,
no need to add a thing my pupils here washed the window with his words
gh15 approved
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yes i am guessing he meant dropping me from sponsorship, he hasn't pm'd me or emailed me so i figure i will give him some time to chill out before i ask him. crazy shit man!
so Dante is Dropping you from his sponsorship because you refuses to lie and bullshit young kids anymore. nice guy
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yes i am guessing he meant dropping me from sponsorship, he hasn't pm'd me or emailed me so i figure i will give him some time to chill out before i ask him. crazy shit man!
FUCK DANTA BRO. WHATD U USE FROM HIM...PROTEIN POWDER? SOMEBODY ELSE CAN SPONSOR THAT.
IF HE CUTS U OFF CAUSE OF THIS, GO PROVE HIM WRONG,AND GO WITH SOMEONE ELSE. THERE'S NO LOYALTY THERE...YOU DID NOTHING TO TAKE SIDES REALLY. YOU JUST WERE HONEST ABOUT WHAT YOU WERE USING AND COINCIDENTALLY WAS REMARKABLY SIMILAR TO WHAT GH15 SAYS, WHAT BIG A SAYS, ETC.
FUCK THAT FAT SHIT.