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Getbig Main Boards => Gossip & Opinions => Topic started by: purenaturalstrength on October 06, 2011, 11:12:47 AM
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Height 6' weight 85-86kg, arm size 39,5-40centimeters (under 16") age 23.5, bodyfat unknown but here are very recent pictures
http://oi51.tinypic.com/2yuexs9.jpg
http://oi56.tinypic.com/2dtd3ix.jpg
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2gsqre0.jpg
Squat without belt or knee support, bar high in the neck full depth squat 6x160kg
deadlift with strap for convenience 4x200kg
bench press 3x3 with 120kg pause at the chest like powerlifting movement
military press HORRIBLE HORRIBLE!!!!!!!! (why???) 5x70kg
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lawl do u event lift? where is ur shoulders n back :-X
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lawl do u event lift? where is ur shoulders n back :-X
Naturals don't have shoulders, dude...
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lawl do u event lift? where is ur shoulders n back :-X
Why are you replying when I was asking GH15 a question? When I want some chumps opinion I will ask the next bro in the gym
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Why are you replying when I was asking GH15 a question? When I want some chumps opinion I will ask the next bro in the gym
some chump in the gym will knock u the fuk out bro 8)
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You will be able to gain an infinite amount of strength.
Muscle gain will be finite, more than likely no more than 25 pounds of lean tissue in your life.
If you ask Dr. Greg Ellis, he'd say no more than 10-12 lbs. of muscle.
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Why are you replying when I was asking GH15 a question? When I want some chumps opinion I will ask the next bro in the gym
Because it's a forum, you know....if you don't like it you can PM gh15, but he'll make a thread from it in the end anyway, if it's worth it.
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some chump in the gym will knock u the fuk out bro 8)
yeah yeah ::)
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Keep lifting for 30+ yrs, and then you will know.
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You will be able to gain an infinite amount of strength.
Muscle gain will be finite, more than likely no more than 25 pounds of lean tissue in your life.
If you ask Dr. Greg Ellis, he'd say no more than 10-12 lbs. of muscle.
Infinite strength? Like... more than 150kg bench press?
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It's kinda weird that purenaturalstrength made a thread where he only wants GH15s opinion. The man who goes by the name god of hormones. Maybe he is Messiah of natural training too.
I guess the rightful tip would be - go on "all drugs" mode
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That military isn't that bad....
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It's kinda weird that purenaturalstrength made a thread where he only wants GH15s opinion. The man who goes by the name god of hormones. Maybe he is Messiah of natural training too.
I guess the rightful tip would be - go on "all drugs" mode
Of course, he also knows everything about natural training because he has the ability to recognize the difference between natural and unnatural on sight
that way he has seen thousands of lifters and could tell each time which one was natural
based on that he can come up with some figures of what is possible
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Infinite strength? Like... more than 150kg bench press?
I was being somewhat sarcastic, as there are literally an infinite amount of numbers between 100x10 and 105x10.
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ur right bi/tri looks like shit. might want to synthol that up ;D
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If you are pure and natural then you can gain a lot of pure and natural strength, assuming you drink lots of pure and natural mineral water.
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http://www.weightrainer.net/bodycalc.html .
Try that calculator, Casey Butt's work is generally well repected in this field. Not a "bro-scientist" at all, he's a Phd that has put years into his work in that field.
Muscular strength is harder to figure, you won't know till you get there. You can figure you're pretty much tapped out if you're an established lifter and don't make any progess after a few well planned training cycles.
I can tell you most natural guys that really train smart and hard tend to stop making strength gains or they come very slowly after they get into the following ranges-
Bench- 1.75 x BW.
Squat- 2.5 x BW.
Deadlift- 2.75 x BW.
Shoulder press (not Push Press)- Anything over bodyweight is outstanding.
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In before Gh15 trenbalona trenbalona trenbalona GH megadose advice.
Nice shape and cuts btw, you might as well just start low dose and very high training intensity, you will maintain of course and it beats inordinate effort for marginal gains every year.
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http://www.weightrainer.net/bodycalc.html .
Try that calculator, Casey Butt's work is generally well repected in this field. Not a "bro-scientist" at all, he's a Phd that has put years into his work in that field.
Muscular strength is harder to figure, you won't know till you get there. You can figure you're pretty much tapped out if you're an established lifter and don't make any progess after a few well planned training cycles.
I can tell you most natural guys that really train smart and hard tend to stop making strength gains or they come very slowly after they get into the following ranges-
Bench- 1.75 x BW.
Squat- 2.5 x BW.
Deadlift- 2.75 x BW.
Shoulder press (not Push Press)- Anything over bodyweight is outstanding.
outstanding post, this is very interesting stuff
thanks friend
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Height 6' weight 85-86kg, arm size 39,5-40centimeters (under 16") age 23.5, bodyfat unknown but here are very recent pictures
http://oi51.tinypic.com/2yuexs9.jpg
http://oi56.tinypic.com/2dtd3ix.jpg
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2gsqre0.jpg
Squat without belt or knee support, bar high in the neck full depth squat 6x160kg
deadlift with strap for convenience 4x200kg
bench press 3x3 with 120kg pause at the chest like powerlifting movement
military press HORRIBLE HORRIBLE!!!!!!!! (why???) 5x70kg
gh15 knows nothing about natural bodybuilding he is a druggie, you should post all your questions to the trainer.
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gh15 knows nothing about natural bodybuilding he is a druggie, you should post all your questions to the trainer.
don't you have a fat client to fuck?
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http://www.weightrainer.net/bodycalc.html .
Try that calculator, Casey Butt's work is generally well repected in this field. Not a "bro-scientist" at all, he's a Phd that has put years into his work in that field.
Muscular strength is harder to figure, you won't know till you get there. You can figure you're pretty much tapped out if you're an established lifter and don't make any progess after a few well planned training cycles.
I can tell you most natural guys that really train smart and hard tend to stop making strength gains or they come very slowly after they get into the following ranges-
Bench- 1.75 x BW.
Squat- 2.5 x BW.
Deadlift- 2.75 x BW.
Shoulder press (not Push Press)- Anything over bodyweight is outstanding.
Gains go way slower at earlier strength levels for most people.
@ purenatural: lol we have almost identical stats, also 6'-6'1 86-87kg, 3x180kg fullsquat, 220kg deadlift 140kg benchpress
Still hoping to sqaut 220kg (5 plate) but I'm so far away. don't think I can do it without being a fatass.
Think I can be a lot stronger but I think i'm pretty maxed LBM wise.
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I'll agree with that with some explanation, the numbers I threw out were for guys(training in a powerlifting or strongman style) that have 15-20 years of consistant smart training under their belt. Generally, you'll get the 1.5 bw bench, 2x squat, 2.5 Deadlift in the first few years, (say 5-6 years for arguements sake), after that you can still eek out gains but it's more on the order of a couple of pounds a year on the major lifts if you do 90%+ of the things right.
By the time you get into the quoted range(in that other post) or even close to it, you're a decade or 2 in. I've seen a decent amount of guys do it naturally, but they were militant in their appoach to the hobby.
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All natural you might be able to bench your body wt and that is all.
Unless you are lots of tren, test ad mega doses of GH , all other lifts are a waste of your time.
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UD FUCKIN BLOW UP ON HORMONES.
SO QUIT BITCHIN ROUND, KEEP BF% LOW, ORDER 500MG OF HUMAN GRADE TEST TO TEST THE WATERS AND GET THE FUCK GOING.
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UD FUCKIN BLOW UP ON HORMONES.
SO QUIT BITCHIN ROUND, KEEP BF% LOW, ORDER 500MG OF HUMAN GRADE TEST TO TEST THE WATERS AND GET THE FUCK GOING.
Only way to go bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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howard you are too funny.
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UD FUCKIN BLOW UP ON HORMONES.
SO QUIT BITCHIN ROUND, KEEP BF% LOW, ORDER 500MG OF HUMAN GRADE TEST TO TEST THE WATERS AND GET THE FUCK GOING.
that type of thinking has led thousands down a path of severe drug abuse
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that type of thinking has led thousands down a path of severe drug abuse
WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT DRUG ABUSE
U POST 20 TIMES A DAY
Posts: 963 (20.489 per day)
BIG STRONG NERD > SKINNY NATURAL NERD
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WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT DRUG ABUSE
THESE FORUMS SEEM TO BE MORE OF AN ADDICTION FOR U
Posts: 963 (20.489 per day)
BIG STRONG NERD > SKINNY NATURAL NERD
yes i am addicted to this forum, I just woke up 5am here, eating some grits before leaving to work in a few minutes, might as well get on getbig while doing so
lol
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I think he may say your not natural i have you at 6ft 190 at sub 8% bf that is close to the gh15s cut off point and mine to I have a hrad time believing you have not taken so much as prohoromones but if not good for you. As far as strentgh and muscle mass you can gain much more if your willing to stray from bodybuidling and gain fat. I have seen people gord themselves fat and bench near 500lbs drug free.
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Op is a total homo.
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put up or shut up dude.
your physique is trash right now.
jump on the hormonals or ur goin no where. might as well give up. maybe end ur life while ur at kthx.
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you look great. you're totally maxed as a natural though. no question about it. maybe you've already tested the waters, but either way it's time to dive in brah. welcome to the dark side. :-*
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Height 6' weight 85-86kg, arm size 39,5-40centimeters (under 16") age 23.5, bodyfat unknown but here are very recent pictures
http://oi51.tinypic.com/2yuexs9.jpg
http://oi56.tinypic.com/2dtd3ix.jpg
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2gsqre0.jpg
Squat without belt or knee support, bar high in the neck full depth squat 6x160kg
deadlift with strap for convenience 4x200kg
bench press 3x3 with 120kg pause at the chest like powerlifting movement
military press HORRIBLE HORRIBLE!!!!!!!! (why???) 5x70kg
HMM Y0UR MP ISN'T TERRIBLE BUT THE BENCH IS G00D. GENETICS I W0ULD SAY.
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Naturals don't have shoulders, dude...
L0L
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When I want some chumps opinion I will ask the next bro in the gym
We ARE those "chumps" in the gym, rat turd.
Man up and start lifting some serious weight for once. Your stinkin' calories are too low, Beavis. You can't stay ripped and grow at the same "natural" time, homey.
You ask a question on here for Gh15, you expect everyone to wait for his already well-known philosophy/predictions on your pathetic situation?
Most everyone here knows exactly what he is going to say. I would say the only thing that is gonna help you even remotely make those things look like shoulders is site injections.
Use "Crisco" or better yet, 'Valvoline'
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We ARE those "chumps" in the gym, rat turd.
Man up and start lifting some serious weight for once. Your stinkin' calories are too low, Beavis. You can't stay ripped and grow at the same "natural" time, homey.
You ask a question on here for Gh15, you expect everyone to wait for his already well-known philosophy/predictions on your pathetic situation?
Most everyone here knows exactly what he is going to say. I would say the only thing that is gonna help you even remotely make those things look like shoulders is site injections.
Use "Crisco" or better yet, 'Valvoline'
HIS DELTS AREN'T BAD.
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gh15 knows nothing about natural bodybuilding he is a druggie, you should post all your questions to the wannabe trainer.
You haven't earned your stripes yet "trainer"
What do you have, an "in-house" certification from In Shape City?
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HIS DELTS AREN'T BAD.
No, but he seems to think they are ~ and he isn't gonna grow/hypertrophy without increasing his calories drastically.
I don't give a shit how much he lifts. This is how Powerlifters remain in the SAME weight-class and still manage to get stronger.
It's tendon/ligament strength vs. muscular hypertrophy. I don't care who say's what; they are NOT one and the same.
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why are u laughing assbrus? u use hormonals.
ur shoulders b4 u jumped on the bike looked like utter shit
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why are u laughing assbrus? u use hormonals.
ur shoulders b4 u jumped on the bike looked like utter shit
0H Y0U MEAN THE PIC 0F ME NEVER EVER LIFTING IN MY LIFE WHILE G0ING THR0UGH PUBERTY AT THE AGE 0F 17? ::)
ACTUALLY THEY DIDN'T F0R A 17 YEAR 0LD WH0 NEVER T0UCHED A WEIGHT IN HIS LIFE. MAYBE I SH0ULD P0ST A PIC 0F ME AT 15 T00 S0 Y0U CAN SAY MY SH0ULDER L00KED LIKE SHIT. FUCKING RETARD. I WAS 155 LBS THERE AND MY TRAPS ARE CLEARLY P0PPING 0UT IN THE PIC. N0T T00 MENTI0N I WASN'T EVEN FLEXING. BUT G0ING FR0M 155 LBS AT 17 T0 180 IN 3 YEARS SURELY MEANS I T00K DRUGS BECAUSE WE ALL KN0W PUTTING 0N 25 LBS 0F MUSCLE IS IMP0SSIBLE RIGHT. Y0U GETBIG FAGG0TS AMUSE ME EVERYDAY. Y0U'RE S0 SURE I TAKE DRUGS. Y0U GUYS ARE S0 SURE 0F IT. BUT THE FUNNY THING IS I D0N'T.
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assbrus i would like 2 train with u one day. i think ur roid rage would give me gr8 motivation to push out those last few reps on the bench 8)
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assbrus i would like 2 train with u one day. i think ur roid rage would give me gr8 motivation to push out those last few reps on the bench 8)
L0L G0ING FR0M 155 T0 180 AT 5 11 D0SEN'T MEAN Y0U TAKE 0R T00K R0IDS. PATHETIC AT S0ME 0F Y0U GUYS AND Y0UR STANDARDS.
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getting angry isn't gonna help that steroid red flushed skin. your gonna look like a goon with a red face and red body.
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getting angry isn't gonna help that steroid red flushed skin. your gonna look like a goon with a red face and red body.
I SEE Y0U'RE BEING DEFENSIVE AND TRYING T0 PLAY IT 0FF WITH INSULTS. ;)
N0T ANGRY JUST AMUSED AND QUITE FLATTERED ACTUALLY. IT MAKES ME THINK H0W FAR I CAN G0 IN THE PR0 RANKS AND WHAT KIND 0F M0NSTER I'D ACTUALLY BE IF I GET ACCUSED 0F R0IDING BY EVERY0NE 0N THE B0ARDS. 0H WELL G0TTA THANK M0M AND DAD F0R THEIR GENES. ;D
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Sometimes when people post in CAPS it makes them appear to be HOLLERING...
Just sayin...
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finally back from work straight back to getbig
the addiction is consuming
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Height 6' weight 85-86kg, arm size 39,5-40centimeters (under 16") age 23.5, bodyfat unknown but here are very recent pictures
http://oi51.tinypic.com/2yuexs9.jpg
http://oi56.tinypic.com/2dtd3ix.jpg
http://oi55.tinypic.com/2gsqre0.jpg
Squat without belt or knee support, bar high in the neck full depth squat 6x160kg
deadlift with strap for convenience 4x200kg
bench press 3x3 with 120kg pause at the chest like powerlifting movement
military press HORRIBLE HORRIBLE!!!!!!!! (why???) 5x70kg
you look good bro-keep staying natural
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you look good bro-keep staying natural
Well I am not planning on going not natural because of all the unforseen catastrophic consequences that are associated with it (even more shit test levels than ever before, once you quit, spending too much money on it, becoming a gay 4 pay whore etc etc)
But I just hope that one day I can have arms that look impressive when I'm not flexing them
right now everybody gets a little "wow" when I flex my tricep for example, but apart from that it's not a lot of size
If that link about the natural calculator above is right it looks good, but is it legit?
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http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html .
There's Lyle McDonald's take on it, along with a few others he liked. People like to brush Lyle off because he's a small guy, but he is usually more right than wrong on these things, and he's willing to provide back up sources if pushed.
:).
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http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/whats-my-genetic-muscular-potential.html .
There's Lyle McDonald's take on it, along with a few others he liked. People like to brush Lyle off because he's a small guy, but he is usually more right than wrong on these things, and he's willing to provide back up sources if pushed.
:).
sooo this means I can still gain 4-5kg muscle?
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Running your numbers, you might be able to get 5-10 pounds. All 3 of those put a 6' natural with good genetics at about 195-200lbs at 10% bodyfat after many years of training. I don't think that's an unreasonable figure, but remember that when naturals cut down into the single digit bodyfat range, they lose lot's of muscle rapidly.
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remember that when naturals cut down into the single digit bodyfat range, they lose lot's of muscle rapidly.
well 10% is good enough for me, but how come actually? do your hormones drop when you lose fat? or is it just that your body wants to metabolize the muscle mass because the fat is running out?
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lawl do u event lift? where is ur shoulders n back :-X
FéLLA havE Crazy naRRoW claviculs
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I think he may say your not natural i have you at 6ft 190 at sub 8% bf that is close to the gh15s cut off point and mine to I have a hrad time believing you have not taken so much as prohoromones but if not good for you. As far as strentgh and muscle mass you can gain much more if your willing to stray from bodybuidling and gain fat. I have seen people gord themselves fat and bench near 500lbs drug free.
What's GH15's natural cutoff for someone close to 6'2"? I was a shredded 210-215lbs barely training lowerbody after prob 3yrs of training. Really good genetics, not ELITE but really good. Put muscle on fast, fat too though. Have to diet like crazy to shred up.
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Naturals don't have shoulders, dude...
my naturaliS shouldérS
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well 10% is good enough for me, but how come actually? do your hormones drop when you lose fat? or is it just that your body wants to metabolize the muscle mass because the fat is running out?
Both. Stress hormones rise, test and other things drop a bit. The body does all it can after a certain point to stay at a comfortable level of, well, fatness:).
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ban idiot spammer khofo
wait ron gh15 said no banning arabs?
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ban idiot spammer khofo
wait ron gh15 said no banning arabs?
GH15 = nassr el snbt = arab féLLa if your an arab hatéR donT reaD gh15's postS
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"Everyone" is saying "WOW" at your triceps?
Are you in a pumping room or what?
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FéLLA havE Crazy naRRoW claviculs
Someone ban this fucking pole smoker.
He tards up every thread with his fucking FeLLa ballshit.
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my naturaliS shouldérS
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you look great khofo
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Haven't read the thread, but you can gain 15 to 20 lbs of muscle mass naturally. You can continue to train, but you will not continue to gain.