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I've been saying this for quite some time and many don't want to hear it. MMA and brazilian Jiu Jitsu are no match for traditional martial arts. The Gracies always open up witha front snap kick followed by a take down. A true Karate master has a hundred ways of destroying someone stupid enough to proceed in that manner. The MMA teachers are promising these kids that they could whoop anyone with submission holds. The strikes and kicks of a Karate expert are LETHAL. Do not be fooled by the Gracies. These oily bastards would line up tomato-cans for their Gracie challenge. They always evaded true Karate masters.
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I've been saying this for quite some time and many don't want to hear it. MMA and brazilian Jiu Jitsu are no match for traditional martial arts. The Gracies always open up witha front snap kick followed by a take down. A true Karate master has a hundred ways of destroying someone stupid enough to proceed in that manner. The MMA teachers are promising these kids that they could whoop anyone with submission holds. The strikes and kicks of a Karate expert are LETHAL. Do not be fooled by the Gracies. These oily bastards would line up tomato-cans for their Gracie challenge. They always evaded true Karate masters.
Rickson Gracie had OVER 450 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fights and NEVER EVER LOST to ANYONE ever , he is so masterful that he was thought about losing just to see what it felt like
a true Karate master would shit his gi looking across to Rickson >:(
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That greasy brazilian family have been lining up chumps for decades. You put a real street fighting Karate guy in there and he would kick and strike any one of those Gracies into the mat.
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Perhaps someone should organize a martial arts tournament and settle this question of style vs style once and for all.
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Perhaps someone should organize a martial arts tournament and settle this question of style vs style once and for all.
That's a good idea Rorion
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Perhaps someone should organize a martial arts tournament and settle this question of style vs style once and for all.
Kumite, Kumite, Kumite!
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Don't even think about pointing to UFC 1 and 2. THE FIRST UFC'S WERE BANKROLLED BY THE GRACIES TO PROMOTE BRAZILIAN JIU JITSU. THEY HANDPICKED THE TOMATO CANS FOR ROYCE TO FIGHT.
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Why MMA will get you killed.
(from guest blogger Barry Gauntt)
MMA is great for the following things:
-fitness
-strength building
-confidence
-discipline and focus
-balance and reflexes
MMA is not good for the following things:
-combat
-weapons
-stealth and survival
-unarmed defense against weapons
-tactical movement
When you are in danger of loosing your life it is because of:
-armed attacker
-multiple attackers
-multiple armed attackers
-no avenue of escape
MMA teaches you to meet your “opponent head on”. That is great for sport but with weapons or with an unarmed enemy that means you deadly harm you must not move in too quickly. A real conflict requires mobility and that is hard to manage when you are grappling with someone. The next time you are rolling with your jujitsu buddies think about what would happen if they had guns or knives while they were grappling with you. The last place you want to be is all up in someone’s mix when the bullets are flying and the blades come out. That is why soldiers don’t choke people out, they use weapons and they grapple only to control an enemy. If you are trying to engage someone with empty hands then you have already failed to take the advantage form the start.
MMA teaches you to do certain things because you are not worried about attacks coming from certain angles or in certain positions. It trains you for the reality of the “cage fight” not the reality of a deadly brawl using weapons or lethal techniques. I can’t drop an elbow onto the back of your head where the spine meets the brain if I’m “on the mat” but in real life that is going to happen if some jack hole tries to get me with a double leg take down. Also I will cup my hands and force air into the inner ear as I slap at the sides of your head. Contrary to some popular beliefs it is almost impossible to fight with a ruptured ear drum and that is exactly what happens when you take a full strength open palm strike to the ear. Then there is biting, ripping, clawing and anything else that you can do to hurt the enemy. The point is training for sport makes you leave yourself open to deadly attacks that are forbidden in the “ring”. Why does this matter? If you don’t care about defense or survival then it doesn’t matter and you should focus on your sport. If you care about survival then recognize that real life and sports don’t have much in common so you must choose the system grounded in real conflict, not the arena.
If someone try’s to tackle me I’ll stab them, slash them and chop them like meat for my table. If someone tries to punch me I’ll take his fingers and maybe an ear. If they kick me I’ll puncture the inner thigh and groin severing a femoral and a bunch of tendons not to mention your junk. The problem with unarmed fighting is you are going to die- period. I will not show you mercy just because you don’t have a weapon, if you try and hurt me or my family I will crush your bones to powder as I savagely butcher your flesh. You would beg your god for deliverance before your world fades to black and I will have no sorrow for what I did because you gave me no choice but to act. That is what combat means to the non-athlete, it isn’t a spectacle of bright lights and fan fare. Combat means somebody dies- no one looks forward to that, not even those Special Forces guys who train to kill all day long. We are all people and we have feelings, it hurts to hurt others and if it didn’t the world would be a place of hellish conflict and ruthless survival. Maybe it already is.
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while i agree about real combat being a fight to the death and not just some comradery building test of strengths between two guys who will hug afterwards... i have to say that bringing up knives and guns is a bit over the top. getting into a quarrel with an armed individual when your unarmed is just stupid. turn the other way and run.
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-Thinking about mercy
There is no excuse for fighting, it’s the most stupid thing you could ever do right up there next to huffing jet fuel or piercing your frontal lobe with a drill press. The only time you should engage someone in combat is when there is no other alternative. Once you make the decision to enter combat you should destroy the threat or at least control it with extreme prejudice. That means no mercy. That means break him so he can’t stand anymore, crush him so he can’t fight anymore or cut him so he can’t hold his weapon. Only the strongest beast has the luxury of extending mercy to his enemy, if you want to show mercy then you must be the strongest without question. If you are not the strongest then the other beast will know and they will take you apart. Then where would your mercy have gotten you?
In nature mercy occurs when one animal recognizes that it would be too costly to engage another animal, its automatic. That is how it is done with nature; with people it is more complicated. People are not as smart as animals so one person doesn’t know that the other person will kill them if they try and attack him. They won’t be able to sense that the target is a higher threat than they are so the only way to control them is to overwhelm them with force. If you dominate the enemy and break his spirit then he will have nothing left to fuel his fire. A couple of broken ribs, a few concussions and a dislocated wrist ought to do the trick if your feeling sporty, a quick elbow strike to the temple followed by a knee break if your not in the mood for games.
I train with weapons so I think like a weapon guy. I strike your head, neck, spine and major joints. I train to strike lethal targets fast and with mechanical repetition. What does that mean for the guy who tried to hit me with his flying knee? It means that he gets a free trip to meet his god. Plus because you obviously attempted a “sophisticated mma attack” I have to assume you are a trained fighter and then I can use a little “juice” on you without fearing a grand jury. “Why did you carve that man up MR. So and So?” “Well your honor he tackled me using some kind or jujitsu stuff and got on top of me like he was going to beat my teeth through the back of my head”. I don’t condone brutal violence for no reason but if somebody thinks he is going to hurt me then he and everyone who is with him is in for a surprise. If it is a question of them or me then I choose me and they can suck a fat one in hell for trying to hurt me or my loved ones. Life isn’t fair and I don’t think I’m going to loose sleep over someone who places no value on their own existence. To attack a stranger is to invite calamity, do so at your own risk.
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Haha, let's feed the troll...
Karate is very linear, and movements are too angular. What happens when someone catches the arm or leg? Or picks you up due to being between a movement? How can you prepare for being taken to the ground?
It's a good martial arts/discipline to learn and will help you out in a fight against an untrained person, but it hasn't proven itself in the ring against MMA (that I know of)
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WTF is all this about? an exposé on the real life application of MMA? It's entertainment ferchrissakes!
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Entertainment? The greasy Gracies say 90% of real fights go to the ground and you need BJJ to defend yourself. Wake up asshole!
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In the end it is not the style, but strength and ability of the athlete. I knew this skinny fucker who competed in TWD in the olympics. His roundhouse kicks were lethal. In close combat he got rushed by 4 guidos. In a blink of an eye he knocked each one down. Nothing a MMA guy could have handled.
Yet I knew other guys who were black belts and once a bar fight broke out looked like they didn't know how to fight.
I think the true secret to a real fight is getting guys in the ring without them knowing what the other guys discipline is. Total secrecy. Let an MMA guy rush a karate guy without knowing he knows karate and is not expecting a block to the throat and a chop to the ears. lol
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Entertainment? The greasy Gracies say 90% of real fights go to the ground and you need BJJ to defend yourself. Wake up asshole!
I've never chanced upon a 'real fight', only a few bar brawls that ended in a flurry of badly thrown punches. Where does one find these 'real fights'?
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Son, you really are a horse's ass.
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Grappling is great for sports and even one on one fight, but 2 or more attackers and it's no good. Locked up on the ground with one guy while his friends kick or smash a bottle on your head.
Look up US marinecorp martial art program, MCMAP if u want reality. Techniques gathered from all martial arts around the planet. You can't train it without joining though.
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Son, you no nothing of Karate. Go smoke some more grass, have another bag of cheet-ohs, and maybe puff on one of your crackmother's Kool Superlong 100's. This thread is for men.
Never answered the question...but went directly for insults, let me guess---verbal karate...
I know of people who have trained in karate, a great discipline. And they themselves say, if they got taken to the ground that there is no defense.
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the people who make these, you are living in some kind of funny fantasy land, you know how hard it is to get into a fight? You know how hard your heart races when you know a fight is imminent? You know why a fighter has to have a corner to give him instructions? cuz there's no thinking in a fight, you're all animal, it's just survival, these karate masters or whatever walk around with a false confident, thinking they can talk shit and act tough... this is what's actually dangerous. If some black belt wannabe karateka or tkd "master" lol starts serious shit with some kid who's been going to mma classes for 6 months, he will get his ass kicked very horribly, and if that mma kid is also irresponsible, he could stomp the guy's head or something and cause serious injuries, fighting is no bullshit
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You know why a fighter has to have a corner to give him instructions? cuz there's no thinking in a fight,
What ???
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". . . oily bastards. . ." LOLOLOL!!! ;D
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there's some thinking, but not much
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there's some thinking, but not much
Hahaha ,OK
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at least not for me, my one and only kickboxing match my game plan went out the window when I got hit real hard
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Rickson Gracie had OVER 450 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fights and NEVER EVER LOST to ANYONE ever , he is so masterful that he was thought about losing just to see what it felt like
a true Karate master would shit his gi looking across to Rickson >:(
Come on. That number counts sparing matches. those are not street fights in clothes and shoes.
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at least not for me, my one and only kickboxing match my game plan went out the window when I got hit real hard
That's because you didn't have any experience , the same happened to me in the beginning (6-7 fights) ,the picture starts getting more clear as you gain more experience , then you are thinking the whole time .
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Rickson Gracie had OVER 450 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fights and NEVER EVER LOST to ANYONE ever , he is so masterful that he was thought about losing just to see what it felt like
a true Karate master would shit his gi looking across to Rickson >:(
I hope you are genuinely kidding with this post?
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Son, you really are a horse's ass.
Bah, you're no fun!
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It was a regrettable experience, I was on the verge of dropping out of hs and thought maybe fighting was the way, changed my mind, it was not a hard match but I didn't like it. everone told me I had such great middle and low kicks, such good form, you can really whip that leg kid, but I couldn't really throw my body behind it. I watched him flinch and I didn't wanna hit him that hard, I got my grades back up after that, I had nightmares after that of hitting people and it not having any effect, or trying to break a door down and it not working like it does in the movies lol. That recurring dream is the only nightmare I ever had not counting a handful of other strange dreams
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I hope you are genuinely kidding with this post?
Come on , what do you think?
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It was a regrettable experience, I was on the verge of dropping out of hs and thought maybe fighting was the way, changed my mind, it was not a hard match but I didn't like it. everone told me I had such great middle and low kicks, such good form, you can really whip that leg kid, but I couldn't really throw my body behind it. I watched him flinch and I didn't wanna hit him that hard, I got my grades back up after that, I had nightmares after that of hitting people and it not having any effect, or trying to break a door down and it not working like it does in the movies lol. That recurring dream is the only nightmare I ever had not counting a handful of other strange dreams
Yep ,the fighting game isn't for everyone , I've trained many kids that after their first fight they never came back to the gym.
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Yep ,the fighting game isn't for everyone , I've trained many kids that after their first fight they never came back to the gym.
I experienced the same fear when I was very young and did judo... the game started to be too tough and cold for a 12 year old spoiled brat like me. I had taken lessons for 3 years but then the coatches started to demand us taking fitness sessions in our spare time and their coatching started to be really aggressive and not so encouraging.
fighting is a mental thing.
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That's a good idea Rorion
Welcome to the year 1993!!!! ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Welcome to the year 1993!!!! ;D
SUCKMYMUSCLE
;D
I watched the first UFC back then , I was excited to see how things were finally go down , I honestly think I've seen every single one since.
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There is absolutely no defense for when a man approaches you from behind and sticks his penis deep within your rectum, no defense whatsoever.
Ask any MMA master and they will tell you the same.
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Why MMA will get you killed.
(from guest blogger Barry Gauntt)
MMA is great for the following things:
-fitness
-strength building
-confidence
-discipline and focus
-balance and reflexes
MMA is not good for the following things:
-combat
-weapons
-stealth and survival
-unarmed defense against weapons
-tactical movement
When you are in danger of loosing your life it is because of:
-armed attacker
-multiple attackers
-multiple armed attackers
-no avenue of escape
MMA teaches you to meet your “opponent head on”. That is great for sport but with weapons or with an unarmed enemy that means you deadly harm you must not move in too quickly. A real conflict requires mobility and that is hard to manage when you are grappling with someone. The next time you are rolling with your jujitsu buddies think about what would happen if they had guns or knives while they were grappling with you. The last place you want to be is all up in someone’s mix when the bullets are flying and the blades come out. That is why soldiers don’t choke people out, they use weapons and they grapple only to control an enemy. If you are trying to engage someone with empty hands then you have already failed to take the advantage form the start.
MMA teaches you to do certain things because you are not worried about attacks coming from certain angles or in certain positions. It trains you for the reality of the “cage fight” not the reality of a deadly brawl using weapons or lethal techniques. I can’t drop an elbow onto the back of your head where the spine meets the brain if I’m “on the mat” but in real life that is going to happen if some jack hole tries to get me with a double leg take down. Also I will cup my hands and force air into the inner ear as I slap at the sides of your head. Contrary to some popular beliefs it is almost impossible to fight with a ruptured ear drum and that is exactly what happens when you take a full strength open palm strike to the ear. Then there is biting, ripping, clawing and anything else that you can do to hurt the enemy. The point is training for sport makes you leave yourself open to deadly attacks that are forbidden in the “ring”. Why does this matter? If you don’t care about defense or survival then it doesn’t matter and you should focus on your sport. If you care about survival then recognize that real life and sports don’t have much in common so you must choose the system grounded in real conflict, not the arena.
If someone try’s to tackle me I’ll stab them, slash them and chop them like meat for my table. If someone tries to punch me I’ll take his fingers and maybe an ear. If they kick me I’ll puncture the inner thigh and groin severing a femoral and a bunch of tendons not to mention your junk. The problem with unarmed fighting is you are going to die- period. I will not show you mercy just because you don’t have a weapon, if you try and hurt me or my family I will crush your bones to powder as I savagely butcher your flesh. You would beg your god for deliverance before your world fades to black and I will have no sorrow for what I did because you gave me no choice but to act. That is what combat means to the non-athlete, it isn’t a spectacle of bright lights and fan fare. Combat means somebody dies- no one looks forward to that, not even those Special Forces guys who train to kill all day long. We are all people and we have feelings, it hurts to hurt others and if it didn’t the world would be a place of hellish conflict and ruthless survival. Maybe it already is.
Of course no one is going to even use strikes in a real fight. Most likely, when it is an issue of survival at any costs, you will go straight to your opponent's eyes and balls. That is the fastest way to quickly demolish any opponent. Just watch chimpanzees fighting, and that is how a real fight to the death goes.
And of course against weapons, even the most basic, no martial arts has any merits. Give even a baseball bat to a noob, and he will decimate 90% of black belts out there. When confronting someone armed with a firearm, the best "art" you can use is the art of persuassion. Tell him that he is about to ruin his life, that if he kills you he will not only spend the next decades in jail but will feel remorse for killing someone for the rest of his life, that his mother will be heartbroken, etc. Anything physical against someone with a firearm will almost certainly result in you dying. Stop watching movies, idiot.
Now, MMA is much, much better for a real fight than karate. Are you kidding me? Try to do katas during a real fight to see what happens to you. In a real fight where you don't want to go to the sweet spots that allows you to disable your opponent instantly(eyes, fingers and balls), MMA is the closes thing that will work. You either use your fists in the guy's chin to KO him instantly, you kick him in the ribs or you use wrestling to take him down and then either hold him and beat him until he's unconscious, or use jiu-jitsu submissions to break his arms and disable him - you can't fight without arms just like you can't fight without eyes.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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It was scientifically proven in the 90's that Karate was a gay underground cult, when the entire cast of The Karate Kid were found to be homosexual. True Story ;D
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Of course no one is going to even use strikes in a real fight. Most likely, when it is an issue of survival at any costs, you will go straight to your opponent's eyes and balls. That is the fastest way to quickly demolish any opponent. Just watch chimpanzees fighting, and that is how a real fight to the death goes.
And of course against weapons, even the most basic, no martial arts has any merits. Give even a baseball bat to a noob, and he will decimate 90% of black belts out there. When confronting someone armed with a firearm, the best "art" you can use is the art of persuassion.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Years ago, I had a run in with a neighbour partying all night, I was confronted at my home by three drunken angry young men challenging me to come out and fight. They all had glass bottles of alcohol in their hand. Not one to ring the police, I told them if they didnt fuck off I would break one of their arms with the baseball bat I always left next to the door. One of the men stepped forward, so I grabbed the bat, casually strolled 6 feet towards him and swung at his dominant arm, Needless to say, I broke his arm completely, he screamed like an absolute bitch and his mates ran off. I was a little shocked at how quickly he gave in, but it often seems the smacktalkers cant back anything up. Needless to say, I saved hurting my hands on that idiots head, I was charged and a conviction recorded and fined $500. I couldnt believe I only had to pay $500 to break some assholes arm. Well worth it.
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Rickson Gracie had OVER 450 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! fights and NEVER EVER LOST to ANYONE ever , he is so masterful that he was thought about losing just to see what it felt like
a true Karate master would shit his gi looking across to Rickson >:(
Yup. And never forget that Chuck Norris counted to infinity... Twice. ;D
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Yup. And never forget that Chuck Norris counted to infinity... Twice. ;D
lmao
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You are aware that an "mma" guy would not play by the rules in a no rules situation... your Karate master train for their dumbass one hit and reset tournaments that are very unrealistic.. they also never really train these deadly techniques properly for obvious reasons, your an idiot if you believe these guys and their one hitter quitters that they would never land in real life against an aggressor. I'll take a straight up boxer or wrestler vs these clowns in a one on one scenario anytime. Now with weapons and multiple people just hit and run cuz your traditional karate aint gunna do too much there either.
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Be the first to strike the balls, that's all you need to know in a street fight. If you are the one who attacks first with utmost brutality without hesitation, you will win 99% of the time in a hand to hand fight. Throw in weapons of any sort and your odds diminish tremendously of walking away uninjured or with your life. Punching someone in the face or body is the absolute worst thing to do in a street fight, go for the balls or throat/neck and if they are still standing take the knees out, that's it.
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Punching someone in the face or body is the absolute worst thing to do in a street fight,
Hahaha,
The beauty of having good/heavy hands is that if you know how to punch and you pull the trigger first ,there is not going to be a fight.
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Son, you really are a horse's ass.
;D
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Hahaha,
The beauty of having good/heavy hands is that if you know how to punch and you pull the trigger first ,there is not going to be a fight.
This.
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I can tell by the majority of responses that virtually no one here has studied real Karate with an expert for aperiod of years.
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I can tell by the majority of responses that virtually no one here has studied real Karate with an expert for aperiod of years.
It is easy to tell that you have wasted many years doing just that and are mad that your martial art is not widely recognized as being terribly effective... I will give you that legitimate shotokan karate or any other legit form from a legit instructor is pretty good, but people tend to associate karate modern day with the bullshit comercial dojos or bullshit tdk dojos. :-\
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UFC 4 - Royce Gracie vs Ron van Clief
http://rutube.ru/tracks/3701324.html?v=771a86b448cd4e3879de726026a2ade5
“You are the Black Dragon.” Those were the words imprinted on Ron Van Clief’s soul after meeting Bruce Lee years ago. Those words changed Ron Van Clief. Many martial arts film aficionados have heard of Ron Van Clief and may remember him as the star of BLACK DRAGON and BLACK DRAGON’S LAST REVENGE.
Ron Van Clief, the five-time world karate champion and 15-time all-American champion, is a native of New York City, born and raised in Brooklyn. Ron and I discussed his early training, and mentioned many martial arts “heavyweights” as early instructors. “My first sport was bodybuilding. Most of my teenage years were consumed with becoming a gymnast and martial artist. I started my martial arts training in the 1950s with Moses Powell, Tom Lapuppet, George Cofield, and in 1959 with Peter Urban in the USA Goju [Karate] system.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_van_Clief#Martial_arts
MARTIAL ARTS
Ron van Clief began his martial arts career competing in both full-contact and non-contact karate tournaments in New York then internationally, going on to win several national tournaments and world championships.[which?] He was nicknamed "The Black Dragon" for his competition victories.[citation needed]
Van Clief was a student of Goju-ryu masters Peter Urban, Frank Ruiz, and Moses Powell, as well as WingTsun founder Leung Ting Modern Arnis (Remy Presas) Brazilian Jiujitsu (Joe Moreira).[citation needed] In 1971, Van Clief created his own style of martial arts, called "Chinese Goju," attempting to unify Japanese style goju-ryu with its roots in Chinese martial arts.[citation needed] He currently holds the rank of 10th degree red belt (shidoshi or grandmaster), in this system.[citation needed]
On December 16, 1994, Ron Van Clief returned to the ring to fight in the 4th Ultimate Fighting Championship, as the oldest competitor to date to fight in the UFC at the age of 51.[2] Van Clief's sole fight in the tournament was against Brazilian jiu-jitsu exponent Royce Gracie. Gracie won the match by submission with a rear naked choke near the four-minute mark. Ron went on to serve as the commissioner of the UFC. Ron Van Clief retired from competition in 2002 after winning the All American Karate Championship at 60 years old. Ron competed in over 900 tournaments in over 40 years on the tournament circuit. Ron Van Clief retired as a 5 time world karate/kungfu champion and 15 time all American champion.
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Some old Gracie family "propaganda" video, narrated by Rorion. :D
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Hahaha,
The beauty of having good/heavy hands is that if you know how to punch and you pull the trigger first ,there is not going to be a fight.
Definitely agree, but the "average" person doesn't know how to throw a punch properly, so going for the nuts or throat is the quickest way to end the fight. Obviously for an experienced fighter, it's quite different. Most people can't hold their center of gravity properly and throw themselves off balance when throwing a punch opening themselves up for vulnerbility.
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I've been saying this for quite some time and many don't want to hear it. MMA and brazilian Jiu Jitsu are no match for traditional martial arts. The Gracies always open up witha front snap kick followed by a take down. A true Karate master has a hundred ways of destroying someone stupid enough to proceed in that manner. The MMA teachers are promising these kids that they could whoop anyone with submission holds. The strikes and kicks of a Karate expert are LETHAL. Do not be fooled by the Gracies. These oily bastards would line up tomato-cans for their Gracie challenge. They always evaded true Karate masters.
L0L AT THINKING A KARATE MASTER CAN TAKE 0N A T0P BJJ BLACK BELT. Y0U ARE 0NE DUMB FUCK.
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Entertainment? The greasy Gracies say 90% of real fights go to the ground and you need BJJ to defend yourself. Wake up asshole!
AND M0ST FIGHTS D0 G0 T0 THE GR0UND.
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AND M0ST FIGHTS D0 G0 T0 THE GR0UND.
That's not what most of the bad ass bar brawling getbiggers will tell you.. you are you going to listen to proven legitimate martial artists or possibly homosexual faceless internet posters?
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Since almost 100% of "fights" start with some type of stand-up punching exchange I'll take boxing training over grappling any day of the week.
Watch a trained boxer unload on someone in a bar/streetfight setting and you'll immediately see that 99.9% of the population have no clue how to really fight.
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Since almost 100% of "fights" start with some type of stand-up punching exchange I'll take boxing training over grappling any day of the week.
Watch a trained boxer unload on someone in a bar/streetfight setting and you'll immediately see that 99.9% of the population have no clue how to really fight.
This is true pertaining to the masses, and unquestionable as far as fight start standing up.. but it's naive to think that a long time wrestler or bjj practitioner would not quickly and easily look to get close and tie up, again not the average person though.
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This is true pertaining to the masses, and unquestionable as far as fight start standing up.. but it's naive to think that a long time wrestler or bjj practitioner would not quickly and easily look to get close and tie up, again not the average person though.
N0 P0INT IN ARGUING WITH THESE NEWBS. IT'S ALREADY BEEN PR0VEN IN MMA. R0YCE GRACIE WH0 HAD TERRIBLE TAKE D0WN SKILLS WAS ABLE T0 TAKE D0WN T0P LEVEL KICKB0XERS AND 8TH DEGREE KARATE BLACK BELTS.
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Since almost 100% of "fights" start with some type of stand-up punching exchange I'll take boxing training over grappling any day of the week.
Watch a trained boxer unload on someone in a bar/streetfight setting and you'll immediately see that 99.9% of the population have no clue how to really fight.
WELL THEN T00 BAD F0R Y0U. A PURE STRIKER WILL ALWAYS L0SE AGAINST A BJJ GUY 0R WRESTLER. IT'S BEEN PR0VEN A MILLI0N TIMES ALREADY IN MMA. IF Y0U D0N'T KN0W GR0UND GAME Y0U WILL ALWAYS L0SE.
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WELL THEN T00 BAD F0R Y0U. A PURE STRIKER WILL ALWAYS L0SE AGAINST A BJJ GUY 0R WRESTLER. IT'S BEEN PR0VEN A MILLI0N TIMES ALREADY IN MMA. IF Y0U D0N'T KN0W GR0UND GAME Y0U WILL ALWAYS L0SE.
Chuck Lidell, Rampage Jackson, Junior Dos Santos and many other Pure strikers might disagree - none of these strikers ground game is particularly good, and between them they have beaten many top level BJJ guys. Kenny Florian has a great ground game, and against Jose at UFC 136 couldn't take his opponent down or hold him down when he did. MMA isn't about one particular style being dominant over the others, its who can combine all the fighting facets into the most efficient fighting package. Hope this helps.
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WELL THEN T00 BAD F0R Y0U. A PURE STRIKER WILL ALWAYS L0SE AGAINST A BJJ GUY 0R WRESTLER. IT'S BEEN PR0VEN A MILLI0N TIMES ALREADY IN MMA. IF Y0U D0N'T KN0W GR0UND GAME Y0U WILL ALWAYS L0SE.
Cung Lee might disagree :D 8)
"kung fu doesn't work against MMA" ::)
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Be the first to strike the balls, that's all you need to know in a street fight. If you are the one who attacks first with utmost brutality without hesitation, you will win 99% of the time in a hand to hand fight. Throw in weapons of any sort and your odds diminish tremendously of walking away uninjured or with your life. Punching someone in the face or body is the absolute worst thing to do in a street fight, go for the balls or throat/neck and if they are still standing take the knees out, that's it.
this man just ignore the ball kick like a man ....... ::) ::)
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WELL THEN T00 BAD F0R Y0U. A PURE STRIKER WILL ALWAYS L0SE AGAINST A BJJ GUY 0R WRESTLER. IT'S BEEN PR0VEN A MILLI0N TIMES ALREADY IN MMA. IF Y0U D0N'T KN0W GR0UND GAME Y0U WILL ALWAYS L0SE.
So tell me then tough guy......you shoot for the leg in any bar/street fights recently? Try to follow along with the discussion.
Fucking dick sucking retard.
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LoL at some replies, Chuck wrestled HS and D1, Rampage wrestled HS and JUCO, and Le also has a HS wrestling backgorund and they all still train their grappling, pure strikers huh ::)
Dos Santos was a striker and now trains his wrestling religiously and has a bjj brown belt (that's right below black ;))
You don't shoot double is street fights, as in knee to the ground, but you do slip a punch and scoop someone up and put them on their ass or clinch and go to town (not like a plum, simply wrapping up with a guy).
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Wouldn't want to roll around on the ground fighting a guy in a bar or parking lot while all his buddies and other people are standing around ready to kick me while I'm down!
Would rather just try and get in a good shot, stagger him and try get out of there as soon as possible!!!
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Wouldn't want to roll around on the ground fighting a guy in a bar or parking lot while all his buddies and other people are standing around ready to kick me while I'm down!
Would rather just try and get in a good shot, stagger him and try get out of there as soon as possible!!!
You're not reading all the expert MMA bro-advice posted above.
When you're surrounded by 50 drunken people, all wanting to get in on the fight action, you should slip a punch and scoop someone up and put them in a clinch.
'Cause that'll work........ ::) ::) ::) ::)
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You're not reading all the expert MMA bro-advice posted above.
When you're surrounded by 50 drunken people, all wanting to get in on the fight action, you should slip a punch and scoop someone up and put them in a clinch.
'Cause that'll work........ ::) ::) ::) ::)
Yeah it does, I'm sure you've been in tons of fights to dispute this ::)
"..scoop them up and put them in a clinch" never said that, and that shows you have no clue what you talking about lol
Clearly this is for one on one scenarios, as I've said for multiple people pushing them off of you and hitting and running is obviously the best way to go.
and lol at the Florian Aldo comparison also, Kenny might have a great ground game but his wrestling sucks and that's what gets you to the gorund ;) also Aldo started with a bjj base and is a high level ground guy too, higher than Florian.
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Wouldn't want to roll around on the ground fighting a guy in a bar or parking lot while all his buddies and other people are standing around ready to kick me while I'm down!
Would rather just try and get in a good shot, stagger him and try get out of there as soon as possible!!!
Yeah in that scenario, I would agree this is the best way to go.. especially if there are "50 drunks" waiting to get in on the action as well.. but it can be a gamble as maybe you get hit and steggered first.
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Yeah it does, I'm sure you've been in tons of fights to dispute this ::)
"..scoop them up and put them in a clinch" never said that, and that shows you have no clue what you talking about lol
Clearly this is for one on one scenarios, as I've said for multiple people pushing them off of you and hitting and running is obviously the best way to go.
and lol at the Florian Aldo comparison also, Kenny might have a great ground game but his wrestling sucks and that's what gets you to the gorund ;) also Aldo started with a bjj base and is a high level ground guy too, higher than Florian.
So when the discussion was about bar/street fights, that was "clearly a one on one scenario"?
Either you stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, or you've "watched every UFC since #1".
Like I said....MMA bro-advice, worth exactly what we all just paid for it.
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So when the discussion was about bar/street fights, that was "clearly a one on one scenario"?
Either you stayed at a Holiday Inn last night, or you've "watched every UFC since #1".
Like I said....MMA bro-advice, worth exactly what we all just paid for it.
Not every street fight is a huge brawl, neither is every bar fight pal. Big ass brawls are just chaos and not too much skill is required there.
The thread title's "Why MMA Could Get You Killed", some form of combat training is better than nothing and people who train in striking and grappling have an advantage period, end of story. To think someone who trains needs internet tough guys advice is dumb, as if they can't judge when to use what skills and when there are "50 drunks" as opposed to just one drunk.
This is just "bro advice" that people with no fighting skills like to give out, since they have no skills but might have big useless muscles to defend their case... or in the begining of the thread, someoen who wastes their time training a martial art with no real sparring or simulation and is just repeating what their sensei tells them, striking + grappling training beats no training, big muscles, or just karate
I don't watch it feller, I do it and live it. I like boxing just as much as the next guy, but a bare knuckle brawl can be a gamble.
It's pretty simple, no one has to listen to me.
Take the advice of proven mma/martial arts pioneers in the mean streets of Brazil, the Gracies, or bb board tough guys who have no level of skill grappling or even striking but feel it's cooler to say just "throw a punch and knock him out" with their unparalleled power and accuracy ::)
btw BJJ was designed for the streets not modern day sport mma.
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So tell me then tough guy......you shoot for the leg in any bar/street fights recently? Try to follow along with the discussion.
Fucking dick sucking retard.
I USED T0 WRESTLE F0R 6 YEARS S0 MY ANSWER IS FUCK YAH I WILL. I CAN TAKE A N0N WRESTLER D0WN IN A MATTER 0F SEC0NDS AND ANY0NE WH0'S WRESTLED AT A HIGH LEVEL M0RE THAN 4 YEARS CAN T00. Y0U 0BVI0USLY HAVE N0 IDEA WHAT THE FUCK Y0U ARE TALKING EVIDENT BY Y0UR STATEMENT THAT TRYING T0 TAKE S0ME0NE D0WN IN A FIGHT IS F0REIGN. IT'S F0REIGN F0R S0ME0NE WH0 HAS N0 IDEA H0W T0 TAKE S0ME0NE D0WN LIKE Y0U.
NEWBIE. ;D
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LoL at some replies, Chuck wrestled HS and D1, Rampage wrestled HS and JUCO, and Le also has a HS wrestling backgorund and they all still train their grappling, pure strikers huh ::)
Dos Santos was a striker and now trains his wrestling religiously and has a bjj brown belt (that's right below black ;))
You don't shoot double is street fights, as in knee to the ground, but you do slip a punch and scoop someone up and put them on their ass or clinch and go to town (not like a plum, simply wrapping up with a ####).
I didnt say they couldnt wrestle, just that their wrestling games were just good enough to keep it on the feet, so they could knock their opponent out.
Chuck Lidell, Rampage Jackson, Junior Dos Santos and many other Pure strikers might disagree - none of these strikers ground game is particularly good, and between them they have beaten many top level BJJ guys. Kenny Florian has a great ground game, and against Jose at UFC 136 couldn't take his opponent down or hold him down when he did. MMA isn't about one particular style being dominant over the others, its who can combine all the fighting facets into the most efficient fighting package. Hope this helps.
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Definitely agree, but the "average" person doesn't know how to throw a punch properly, so going for the nuts or throat is the quickest way to end the fight. Obviously for an experienced fighter, it's quite different. Most people can't hold their center of gravity properly and throw themselves off balance when throwing a punch opening themselves up for vulnerbility.
Well, I havent fought two many people who suddenly offered up their throat or their nuts for me to punch or kick, even an experienced fighter would have trouble connecting to these areas if his opponent doesnt want him too. I dont know why people carry on that old cliche, kick em in the nuts. I have been kicked in the nuts, all it did was make me mad so I beat the living shit out of the guy.
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The invention of this made this whole thread retarded...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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When retards like assbruise say they wrestled for X many years, what they're really saying is "I hugged other gay men in high school".
Fucking website full of professional cage fighters. Every fucking one of them would piss their panties if they were ever in a real fight.
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When retards like assbruise say they wrestled for X many years, what they're really saying is "I hugged other gay men in high school".
Fucking website full of professional cage fighters. Every fucking one of them would piss their panties if they were ever in a real fight.
L0L. JUST WHEN I THINK THIS SITE CAN'T GET ANY DUMBER BIKE NUT PR0VES ME WR0NG.
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When retards like assbruise say they wrestled for X many years, what they're really saying is "I hugged other gay men in high school".
Fucking website full of professional cage fighters. Every fucking one of them would piss their panties if they were ever in a real fight.
maybe they like to hug?
they're quick to defend their "activities" :D
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Funny how a Gracie V Gene Lebell fight never happened, seems the Gracies always had some excuse or demanded som estupid stipulation like Gene go down to 140lbs etc
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Perhaps someone should organize a martial arts tournament and settle this question of style vs style once and for all.
;D
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Hey lex how do you think these MMA cage fighter heroes would do against a prime angry Mike Tyson in the street??
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Hey lex how do you think these MMA cage fighter heroes would do against a prime angry Mike Tyson in the street??
Unless Tyson KOs the MMA guy in a few seconds, the MMA guy will do the takedown and then it's over for Tyson.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Now we're getting into an interesting area. There is no greasy gi-wearing Brazilian who could take down Tyson in his prime, in the streets, in the ring or anywhere else. Tyson was an absolute animal who was also superbly trained. Tyson was a student of pugilism, history, poetry and war. An absolute killer. Too much muscularity and strength to hyperextend the arm. A submission attempt would just anger him and the Gracie would be lucky to live life in a coma from then on.
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L0L. JUST WHEN I THINK THIS SITE CAN'T GET ANY DUMBER BIKE NUT PR0VES ME WR0NG.
Then prove me wrong.....post up your Division I (even Division II will suffice) school and intercollegiate wrestling results.
C'mon with your bad self. ::)
I'm calling you a bullshitter - plain and simple (like you).
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"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face"
Mike Tyson
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"Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face"
Mike Tyson
did Tyson really said that? awesome!
;D ;D ;D
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LoL at some replies, Chuck wrestled HS and D1, Rampage wrestled HS and JUCO, and Le also has a HS wrestling backgorund and they all still train their grappling, pure strikers huh ::)
Dos Santos was a striker and now trains his wrestling religiously and has a bjj brown belt (that's right below black ;))
You don't shoot double is street fights, as in knee to the ground, but you do slip a punch and scoop someone up and put them on their ass or clinch and go to town (not like a plum, simply wrapping up with a ####).
totally correct-takedowns change in a street fight-but just as easy to do-I like to train takedowns sometimes with the street in mind ;)
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Perhaps someone should organize a martial arts tournament and settle this question of style vs style once and for all.
Yep, only problem is if grappling is allowed and the rounds are really long then it'll mostly end up with two guys rolling on the ground the entire time.....so the rules might end up favouring a particular system.....
K-1 is a lot more exciting than MMA.
K-1 allows all striking martial arts or combat sports to compete against each other in the ring.
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I've been saying this for quite some time and many don't want to hear it. MMA and brazilian Jiu Jitsu are no match for traditional martial arts. The Gracies always open up witha front snap kick followed by a take down. A true Karate master has a hundred ways of destroying someone stupid enough to proceed in that manner. The MMA teachers are promising these kids that they could whoop anyone with submission holds. The strikes and kicks of a Karate expert are LETHAL. Do not be fooled by the Gracies. These oily bastards would line up tomato-cans for their Gracie challenge. They always evaded true Karate masters.
JUST KILL Y0URSELF.
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ive seen loads of bar brawls where skilled mma guys have taken their hapless opponents down and carefully worked their submissions.
while the losers friends have respectfully cheered on the skills of the tap out wearing superstar ::)
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you have it all wrong, all fighting styles will get you killed in the real world, see in a place like NYC, pick any fri or sat night and hang out in the emergency room between 11-5AM, you will see many so called MMA and Karate guys on stretchers, knife wounds, gun shots etc.
Yes I think practicing any sort of fighting is cool, but when it gets to your head you are doomed as people have little tolerance in these days and knives and guns seems to be used more and more.
Best bet in life is if you can avoid a situation just avoid it, if you can walk away walk away, all the people busy with who is and isnt respecting them end up cripples or dead at a young age.
Fuck your ego, when you are being pushed around in a wheelchair and need help wiping your own ass, try telling everyone the story of how the guy didnt respect you enough.
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There is no greasy gi-wearing Brazilian who could take down Tyson in his prime, in the streets, in the ring or anywhere else. A submission attempt would just anger him and the Gracie would be lucky to live life in a coma from then on.
Haha thats the funniest thing I have read on here. Pure poetry. Lucky to live life in a coma from then on :D .
I agree about Tyson and any Gracie tho. Royce would have received an uppercut to the jaw before he could lurch himself to Tyson's knees and he would most probably receive a broken neck and be dead before he hit the deck. If he was lucky he might live his life in a coma tho. :D
I remember back in UFC 1 or 2 or 3 the old man Gracie kunt came into the ring to greet the fans and he was boo'd off. ;D
He looked like a right annoying old kunt.
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This thread is about as stupid as they come. If anyone believes you don't need a ground game you're living in denial. Striking is important but so is wrestling on the ground. Anyone who puts down submission wrestling should join a local BJJ school. I bet you would be humbled quick.
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you have it all wrong, all fighting styles will get you killed in the real world, see in a place like NYC, pick any fri or sat night and hang out in the emergency room between 11-5AM, you will see many so called MMA and Karate guys on stretchers, knife wounds, gun shots etc.
Yes I think practicing any sort of fighting is cool, but when it gets to your head you are doomed as people have little tolerance in these days and knives and guns seems to be used more and more.
Best bet in life is if you can avoid a situation just avoid it, if you can walk away walk away, all the people busy with who is and isnt respecting them end up cripples or dead at a young age.
Fuck your ego, when you are being pushed around in a wheelchair and need help wiping your own ass, try telling everyone the story of how the guy didnt respect you enough.
QFT
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Ain't no grappling in a street fight or bar fight! I prefer Bas Ruttens techniques!
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This thread is about as stupid as they come. If anyone believes you don't need a ground game you're living in denial. Striking is important but so is wrestling on the ground. Anyone who puts down submission wrestling should join a local BJJ school. I bet you would be humbled quick.
best post yet
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I've been saying this for quite some time and many don't want to hear it. MMA and brazilian Jiu Jitsu are no match for traditional martial arts. The Gracies always open up witha front snap kick followed by a take down. A true Karate master has a hundred ways of destroying someone stupid enough to proceed in that manner. The MMA teachers are promising these kids that they could whoop anyone with submission holds. The strikes and kicks of a Karate expert are LETHAL. Do not be fooled by the Gracies. These oily bastards would line up tomato-cans for their Gracie challenge. They always evaded true Karate masters.
And your the guy who "lent" his account to YAGR for a few weeks right?
Hope you get assfucked by a chainsaw.
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I've been saying this for quite some time and many don't want to hear it. MMA and brazilian Jiu Jitsu are no match for traditional martial arts. The Gracies always open up witha front snap kick followed by a take down. A true Karate master has a hundred ways of destroying someone stupid enough to proceed in that manner. The MMA teachers are promising these kids that they could whoop anyone with submission holds. The strikes and kicks of a Karate expert are LETHAL. Do not be fooled by the Gracies. These oily bastards would line up tomato-cans for their Gracie challenge. They always evaded true Karate masters.
Anyone can get beat on any given day.. Does not matter on your skill.. If you are a master of any art,and get hit on the button,,,,,,,it's night night.. Just ask Machida..
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Now we're getting into an interesting area. There is no greasy gi-wearing Brazilian who could take down Tyson in his prime, in the streets, in the ring or anywhere else. Tyson was an absolute animal who was also superbly trained. Tyson was a student of pugilism, history, poetry and war. An absolute killer. Too much muscularity and strength to hyperextend the arm. A submission attempt would just anger him and the Gracie would be lucky to live life in a coma from then on.
Is it just me, or is there a strong homo-erotic vibe to this post?
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Anyone can get beat on any given day..
X100000
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In the end it is not the style, but strength and ability of the athlete. I knew this skinny fucker who competed in TWD in the olympics. His roundhouse kicks were lethal. In close combat he got rushed by 4 guidos. In a blink of an eye he knocked each one down. Nothing a MMA guy could have handled.
Yet I knew other guys who were black belts and once a bar fight broke out looked like they didn't know how to fight.
I think the true secret to a real fight is getting guys in the ring without them knowing what the other guys discipline is. Total secrecy. Let an MMA guy rush a karate guy without knowing he knows karate and is not expecting a block to the throat and a chop to the ears. lol
Great post.
MMA isn't worthless, obviously, but much of what is said against it being some awesome REAL altercation fighting system is based in truth.
SO much of MMA is simply sport. Becoming wonderfully proficient in it does leave one open to a brutal beating in a real-world fight.
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Unless Tyson KOs the MMA guy in a few seconds, the MMA guy will do the takedown and then it's over for Tyson.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
Are you SERIOUS? A prime Tyson, in a sudden street battle, would DECIMATE a majority of UFC/MMA superstars. Before they could figure what exactly was happening, Mike would punch 50 holes in them.
A precise and powerful barrage of punches thrown by a physically superior man is devastating.
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Are you SERIOUS? A prime Tyson, in a sudden street battle, would DECIMATE a majority of UFC/MMA superstars. Before they could figure what exactly was happening, Mike would punch 50 holes in them.
A precise and powerful barrage of punches thrown by a physically superior man is devastating.
More significantly, a 22 year old Mike Tyson in a street fight would not hesitate to fight dirty. Its not like the guy was inexperienced in the world of the street.
You guys think what he did in biting Holyfield's ear was bad...ha!
The audio is badly out of sync, but those of you old enough remember the story...
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Mike Tyson was so oversold...he fought nobody...nobody with any real ability and strength while building his bullshit rep. Buster fricking Douglas beat his ass like he stole something and then Holyfield exposed him for the joke he really was. In a sanctioned fight with rules...a balanced MMA fighter would be favored over a boxer of equal ability and strength. The MMA fighter has more paths to victory..the boxer has but one.
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Great post.
MMA isn't worthless, obviously, but much of what is said against it being some awesome REAL altercation fighting system is based in truth.
SO much of MMA is simply sport. Becoming wonderfully proficient in it does leave one open to a brutal beating in a a real-world fight.
You are a simpleton. Let me see the pure karate guy in an MMA fight. He would get beaten quickly. MMA stands for Mixed martial arts. Bruce Lee has said in effect that he takes the best from each martial art. That is what MMA is. What is a real world fight? Is it where a guy takes a baseball bat to the back of your head when you aren't looking? Or when someone sticks you with a blade? How is a MMA guy at a disadvantage in a real world fight with no weapons?
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I've been saying this for quite some time and many don't want to hear it. MMA and brazilian Jiu Jitsu are no match for traditional martial arts. The Gracies always open up witha front snap kick followed by a take down. A true Karate master has a hundred ways of destroying someone stupid enough to proceed in that manner. The MMA teachers are promising these kids that they could whoop anyone with submission holds. The strikes and kicks of a Karate expert are LETHAL. Do not be fooled by the Gracies. These oily bastards would line up tomato-cans for their Gracie challenge. They always evaded true Karate masters.
So if you ever fail to land one of these fatal kicks what's plan B? Get grappled to fuck on the ground? Sounds like a boxer's approach, i.e. no plan B, lie on back and get killed.
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Mike Tyson was so oversold...he fought nobody...nobody with any real ability and strength while building his bullshit rep. Buster fricking Douglas beat his ass like he stole something and then Holyfield exposed him for the joke he really was. In a sanctioned fight with rules...a balanced MMA fighter would be favored over a boxer of equal ability and strength. The MMA fighter has more paths to victory..the boxer has but one.
hi Dana
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hi Dana
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In a sanctioned fight with rules, a balanced MMA fighter would be favored over a boxer of equal ability and strength.
No shit. I spoke of a real, and sudden (obviously), altercation.
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You are a simpleton. Let me see the pure karate guy in an MMA fight. He would get beaten quickly. MMA stands for Mixed martial arts. Bruce Lee has said in effect that he takes the best from each martial art. That is what MMA is. What is a real world fight? Is it where a guy takes a baseball bat to the back of your head when you aren't looking? Or when someone sticks you with a blade? How is a MMA guy at a disadvantage in a real world fight with no weapons?
Does anyone actually read, and with comprehension, posts 'round these parts?
And you call me a simpleton. Sheesh. ::)
I agree: in an MMA sport fight, as it exists today, the Karate student would suffer the loss. But when did I suggest otherwise?
Bruce Lee's eventual accumulation of best-bits wouldn't classify as what is referred to today as MMA. Hope this helps.
A real-world fight would be, say, one guy on the street says some shit to another, passing by. Words are briefly exchanged and then the two men engage in a sudden and violent storm of assault.
Hope this, too, helps.
"How is a MMA guy at a disadvantage in a real world fight with no weapons?"
I never suggested this person would be, all things being equal.
Again, it baffles how one so seemingly unable to comprehend simple written words can accuse another of being a simpleton.
Do not embarrass yourself like this again. Take the time to fully understand what you read before you respond with idiotic nonsense.
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this man just ignore the ball kick like a man ....... ::) ::)
I didn't think I could stand watching this, after I realized it would involve a kick to the balls. But I'm actually amazed that he conditioned himself over a period of time to eat a blow to the trachea/carotid and absorb a kick to the balls and not flinch. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go feel nauseous.
As for the whole "MMA > (insert martial art)" debate, I think it's beside the point. There's no one metric that you can use to evaluate and compare martial arts; it depends on what the practitioner seeks to get out of the training.
To the guy saying how MMA is perfect for street fights, whereas Karate isn't, I would point out that all training is helpful when it comes to a street fight. Not because of any one particular move. But because of the experience of training. During training, chances are you'll get an adrenaline dump more than a few times; this will come in handy when you get the same thing during a fight. The training helps you to know your body, and how it reacts.
Besides, I very much doubt that any one of the Gracies would last for any amount of time when faced with individuals that are well-trained in any of the major military-developed styles. Why? Because they would be up against people whose training isn't meant to get submissions, but to kill, quickly, quietly and with energy efficiency.
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No shit. I spoke of a real, and sudden (obviously), altercation.
I think a sanctioned fight with defined rules is more "real" than some random street brawl. A sanctioned fight removes most of the outside variables (bats, chains, knives, sucker punch, intervention by friends...etc) that can minimize the skills of the participants. My skills are limited....but I have enough physical attributes working in my favor that I could sucker punch a black belt in virtually any dicipline and toss him into a dumpster....does that make me a Champ?
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Mike Tyson was so oversold...he fought nobody...nobody with any real ability and strength while building his bullshit rep. Buster fricking Douglas beat his ass like he stole something and then Holyfield exposed him for the joke he really was. In a sanctioned fight with rules...a balanced MMA fighter would be favored over a boxer of equal ability and strength. The MMA fighter has more paths to victory..the boxer has but one.
Dude, have you ever seen Tyson fight in his prime? Wouldn't make such a retarded statement if you did. The man could bob and weave better than anyone. There isn't a man alive who could survive his uppercut or hook. I've yet to see an MMA fighter who could box. Just stop talking, you're embarrassing yourself.
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Tyson came along in a weak era for heavyweights and he wasn't even the best of that era. Numbskull fan boys that were impressed by KO's of weak fighters were fooled...people who had the priviledge to see fighters with skill and heart know he was a chump.
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i think tyson in his prime wouldve ended the same way as randy vs james toney in a mma bout, tyson would destroy any mma fighter in a pure queensbury rules boxing match without a doubt though
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Of course a specialist will be a generalist at his game if the fight is set up that way. I grew up watching boxing and still tune in if it's a good fight...the problem I have with boxing right now is that it's so fragmented with differnet orginizations and promoters running things, you don't get to see "good fights".
MMA is entertaining because you see things lik a muay thai guy with some ground skills going up against a BJJ guy with a some striking skills....it becomes a test of wills to see who's style will be imposed. You rarely see that kind oof competition in boxing these days. It's all about matching guys up so they'll look good.
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Hey, everyone STFU
End of the thread.
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the USA airforce,army,navy and marines hired the gracies to train over 500 of their troops that are in iraq, they got to know alittle something about real combat ;)
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lets get this post over to the mma boards, im sure they would get a blast out of it ::)
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Keep training, and keep learning...
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MMA incorporates every martial art including Karate. Thread closed.
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the USA airforce,army,navy and marines hired the gracies to train over 500 of their troops that are in iraq, they got to know alittle something about real combat ;)
I seriously doubt that there was any jujuitsi going on in the streets of Iraq. Kinda useless against IEDs and suicide bombers. Pretty sure the Gracies never left the compound.
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i let you in on a little secret,it was the gracie family who killed bin laden
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i let you in on a little secret,it was the gracie family who killed bin laden
Nah. Being Brazilian they probably would have let Bin Laden fuck their sister, especially if he could get them some fake visas so they could come to Framingham and landscape for four bucks an hour.
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Nah. Being Brazilian they probably would have let Bin Laden fuck their sister, especially if he could get them some fake visas so they could come to Framingham and landscape for four bucks an hour.
lol, the gracies are prolly makin about 150$ an hour, not counting the millions they got in the bank
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the USA airforce,army,navy and marines hired the gracies to train over 500 of their troops that are in iraq, they got to know alittle something about real combat ;)
That's just for entertainment. Unless they trained them for months, day in, day out, they're not going to use any of that shit in real combat.
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That's just for entertainment. Unless they trained them for months, day in, day out, they're not going to use any of that shit in real combat.
Bingo. I train CQB with a guy who is a Lt. Col. in the Marines, ran sniper platoons, and he trains a lot of the local police in Iraq and Afghanistan.
He said none of that crap works in real combat when you have gear on, rifle, helmet, vests, etc.
Shit goes down - you focus on basic stuff.