God is right, fellas. Tren really is a superior drug. I didn't believe it until now. I don't think i'll ever come off. Not if I can help it, anyways.
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details! how long you been on? dose? the results?
i was asked what a trenbolona addict look like that has BAD GENETIC RESPOND TO HORMONES ,, the repetetive question which i answer in the past by the way but i will answer it again ,, a bad genetic rspond to hormone will usualy look like retard,, or slow fella that has flat muscle no matter what and the muscle doesnt want to grow ...a good example of it is the following picture ,, it is indeed a bodybuild but! only! because addict to trenbolona ace! trenbolona ace allow the worst of the worst to become bodybuild...this is how superior this drug is ,,
here it is ,,this is a fella on trenbolona ace addiction that was not meant to be bodybuild,, sub average everything ,, but trenbolona keep him going
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God is right, fellas. Tren really is a superior drug. I didn't believe it until now. I don't think i'll ever come off. Not if I can help it, anyways.
Tren is a very superior drug but i dont give a shit what Gh15 says nobody can stay on Tren for years! Tren is very toxic stuff! Now test and other anabolics you can stay on year round but not Tren! unless you want to eventually have some liver problems. best to cycle tren. not to stay on it all year! I have heard him say people stay on tren all year but that is not true only if your crazy and you guyd know I am crazy and I dont even use tren for more than 12 weeks out of a year, then recover so I can use it the following year. Unless your getting paid and are a highly ranked bodybuilder no reason to abuse trenbolone. very harsh stuff!Even if your prepping for a show 12 weeks of Tren usage is all you need as long as your using other anabolics and HGH/insulin.I am sure many of you have a diffrent opinion but Tren is nothing to play around with!
God, does tren cause cramps?
Definitely could due to dehydration. Pump the water.
Tren is a very superior drug but i dont give a shit what Gh15 says nobody can stay on Tren for years! Tren is very toxic stuff! Now test and other anabolics you can stay on year round but not Tren! unless you want to eventually have some liver problems. best to cycle tren. not to stay on it all year! I have heard him say people stay on tren all year but that is not true only if your crazy and you guyd know I am crazy and I dont even use tren for more than 12 weeks out of a year, then recover so I can use it the following year. Unless your getting paid and are a highly ranked bodybuilder no reason to abuse trenbolone. very harsh stuff!Even if your prepping for a show 12 weeks of Tren usage is all you need as long as your using other anabolics and HGH/insulin.I am sure many of you have a diffrent opinion but Tren is nothing to play around with!
typical internet repeat what you read other idiots like yourself regurgitating to look smart without any proof to back up your claims.
have you ever had your bloodwork done after a course of t-ace? no, you havent, have you? of course you havent. cause if you had you'd realise the majority of your post is utter bullshit.
i have. after 26 weeks of ace. at dosages ranging from300mg a week as high as 500mg. plus other compounds such as NPP, oral winstrol and anavar.
kidney function- normal. thyroid function- normal. PSA's- normal- and there is a history of prostate cancer in my family. BP bang on. no diabetes. etc etc
the only thing was my liver enzyme elevations were 4 times higher than normal. 6 weeks after cessation of the winny and var they were baseline.
so kindly fuck off with your broscience, until you have cold hard facts backing your shit up. im tired of guys like you repeating what you hear, and not knowing fuck all in reality.
some guys can run A LOT of certain compunds and not have it affect them. others can look at a bottle of test and get gyno. it depends on your tolerance to such compounds. the guys who are usually the biggest and in best shape have the best tolerance. end of story.
I almost thought this was gonna be about Kevin English...
But then he looks more like an angry Mongoloid...
I know someone who claims to have been on tren for over 15 years straight and he gets routine blood work. He's a past Mr. Canada and has had an IFBB pro card as well. He's just fine and thinks the whole craze about tren being "dangerous" and "not for beginners" is bullshit.
Tren toxicity is overblown. Yes, tren gives you cloudy piss and that's about it. Someone tried stringing together a mish mash of "facts" together to paint a picture about tren. All bro science. Beginners or people who only wish to cycle should DEFINITELY use tren and avoid the classic 500mg of test for 8 weeks type cycles. Make the most of your time while you're on and transform as much as possible to raise your natural physique once you come off. I think coming off is a waste of time, but I don't think doing tren for a first cycle is. Tren is amazing.
lol.. good post.
BTW - is that fella in a constant "tren condition" (and does he look good generally?).
I know someone who hasn't been "off" (not tren, but.. well.. everything..depending on the period) for about 20years (off in his case is usualy - two tro three months a year..) - all dandy, healthy and going strong (looking 10times better then other guys his age).
What are everyone's thoughts on the creatine loading phase?
So is WW wrong? I thought he had experienced with aas?
WW is a good fella but argues with gh15. I stay out of those squabbles. I think WW is knowledgeable but has fallen victim to the internet folklore regarding AAS and other PEDs.
I disagree with how he places trenbologna and insulina on a mythical pedestal. He seems to have the same mindset that beginners should do a cycle of test at 500mg per week for a couple months followed by Nolvadex for PCT. That kind of mindset. I think I've also seen him recommend that people don't use insulin, but for the wrong reasons.
It is a common pitfall that a lot of people fall victim to. I used to say the same thing back when I started as well, but I woke up and snapped out of it. I think anyone should use tren, including beginners. And insulin isn't a magical PED that ONLY pros should use. Anyone with half a brain that can find a way to incorporate insulin should use it. As long as people use safe, moderate doses and use their head then virtually nothing should be "off limits". Why should a beginner not do an effective cycle? So they can "learn" how to use test properly and go from there? Who cares!? Everyone has their own goals, different PEDs, different quality of PEDs and very different life circumstances.
I think people should learn about everything and use whatever is available, the safest and most effective PED. Formulate your own conclusions and STOP, for the love of fucking crumbcake, STOP STOP STOP following cookie cutter cycles!!!! Life is a jigsaw puzzle, yes. But it doesn't mean you try taking other people's puzzle pieces and fitting them into YOUR circumstances. Use your fucking noggins, fellas.
no one, did u up dosage of mast in order to deal with both npp and tren at the same time? Do u use mast? Maybe I should send this in pm
"Trenbolone" is the active ingredient and "acetate" is the ester (a short ester in this case). "Trenabolic" is just the name the UG lab has chosen to put on the product. Trenbolone Acetate = trenbolona ace.
^ see this posting,, THIS IS WHAT A MODERATOR ON STEROID BOARDING SHOUDL BE LIKE!,, this is real hands on vast experience,, this is what the top boardings should have as moderator! right here this posting ,, a moderator is quite important posittion ,, it is ,, eventhough you dont get much out of it in a none sell boardings...still! a moderator should be the prime cream of the crop,, this fella is cream of the crop,, he has knowledge falling out of his ears like gold coins,, THIS IS WHAT MODERATOR SHOULD BE LIKE
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Formulate your own conclusions and STOP, for the love of fucking crumbcake, STOP STOP STOP following cookie cutter cycles!!!! Life is a jigsaw puzzle, yes. But it doesn't mean you try taking other people's puzzle pieces and fitting them into YOUR circumstances. Use your fucking noggins, fellas.
THIS
BUT SERIOUSLY BROS, THE MAIN THING THESE NEW ELFS NEED TO ADDRESS IS THE APPROVED/SCAMMED SOURCES.WHAT GOOD IS IT TO RUN A GRAM OF GEAR A WEEK, AND IT REALLY BE HALF GRAM? THE USER WOULD SAY POOR RESPONSE, BUT IN REALITY ITS POOR GEAR. GH15 NEEDS TO CRACK DOWN EVEN HARDER.LUCKILY THERES ENOUGH APPROVED SOURCES TO GO AROUND FOR NOW BUT THE SCAMMED ONES NEED TO GO.
i dunno what it is with npp but it makes me shed like crazy, even on 1mg of finesteride ed.Some people think you shouldn't use Finasteride with Nandrolones.
Some people think you shouldn't use Finasteride with Nandrolones.
Thanks no one, that was a pretty informative post. I have heard that masterone really helps with the mental aspect of both nandrolone and tren
How do you avoid the libod, sex drive problem....I don't have Bp problem with tren but it almost kill my sex drive..
Do you think If I add mastron will ge good I dea to prevent that
i know for me and a lot of other guys tren turns you into a porn star. like. fucking. ridiculous.
iv'e often wondered when i read things like tren affecting some guys adversely if they really had good tren at all, or if it really does affect some differently than others.
its because half of them of not most of them use hormone made by stngo which is an artist,, rememebr....the chef matter as much as the product,, if you do balonie from pellets and make it in filth way and over dose by a lot and really dont know what you are doing ....yes blood pressure and other zits and balonie can happen ,, quality matter,, also! the blood pressure with trenbolona ace usualyu happen at night for few hours ...then get back to normal ranges,, body always want to stabilize itself,, your body will have slight peaks of blood pressure while at rest..wth trenbolona ace the high blood presssure if you have it wil happen at night for couple hours then back to normal ,, many dont have any problem with blood pressure ,, it really si individual dependent and also other products depenednt
you do anadrola and trenbolona together high dose...you will have high blood pressure for the time you do them together high dose...trenbolona by itself...your body will find omeostasis pretty fast
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How do you avoid the libod, sex drive problem....I don't have Bp problem with tren but it almost kill my sex drive..
Do you think If I add mastron will ge good I dea to prevent that
God, I've injected trenbolona acetate twice now (from Nordic) and I haven't had the infamous tren cough yet. Have I been lucky or...? ???
no one, when you were at your biggest in terms of actual muscle mass, were you on any test?
gh15, mentioned, was at his biggest on no (or low I dont remember) doses of testosterone, but lots of NPP and eq. There is a belief that some guys have like bulsemo, that feel androgens in too high of doses, can actually provide their own antidote against muscle growth past a certain point and the only way to break that plateau is to megadose anabolics/low test.
gh15 why do some say that Tren kills their sex drive and other become porn stars with it? The response is total opposite. Most guys are set to think a drug only does one thing to all.
How do you avoid the libod, sex drive problem....I don't have Bp problem with tren but it almost kill my sex drive..
Do you think If I add mastron will ge good I dea to prevent that
not everybody is prone to Tren cough..I just finished my first bottle of Strangos and no coughs..Ive used others in the past and the same thing I dont cough.
It's 2:36 AM here and I can't sleep at all and buzzing out of my chair, lol.
I know someone who claims to have been on tren for over 15 years straight and he gets routine blood work. He's a past Mr. Canada and has had an IFBB pro card as well. He's just fine and thinks the whole craze about tren being "dangerous" and "not for beginners" is bullshit.
Tren toxicity is overblown. Yes, tren gives you cloudy piss and that's about it. Someone tried stringing together a mish mash of "facts" together to paint a picture about tren. All bro science. Beginners or people who only wish to cycle should DEFINITELY use tren and avoid the classic 500mg of test for 8 weeks type cycles. Make the most of your time while you're on and transform as much as possible to raise your natural physique once you come off. I think coming off is a waste of time, but I don't think doing tren for a first cycle is. Tren is amazing.
when i use npp and tren ace together i dont (read: cant- and ive tried) go over 3-400mg a wk of each compound. i have a great tolerance for anabolics, which is good and bad- i dont get the sides, but i need a lot to grow. anyway running those dosages i found i didnt need the masteron. once you tried running npp and tren together you'll see why i kept it where i did. they're fucking tough on your mental state esp run together. and the hairline. esp npp. i dunno what it is with npp but it makes me shed like crazy, even on 1mg of finesteride ed. i was on 800mg of npp a week. i was loving life. i wasnt loving what it was doing to my hairline
it is not bro science, it all stems from tren hex, the old french parabolan, which definitely was toxic because of that ester. there were studies done on cattle and livestock and it was toxic to the liver and kidneys at relatively low dosages
It has nothing to do with purity. I know guy who's got 180/100 bp on 500mg of test and 30mg of dianabol. Everything made by Jelfa, it's Poland.Maybe he had high BP to start with ? or at least just more than the normal range, or BP issues in the family?
My upcoming cycle I was planning on running tren acetate but I am reconsidering going with parabolan.
I understand the differences between tren-A and tren-E, but I am not all that familiar with parabolon, which for those who don't know the active ingredient is Trenbolone hexahydrobenzylcarbonate . From what I understand it has all the benefits of tren-A, but has a longer ester attached to it, so you only need to
shoot it bout every 3 days. Other than less frequent injections, which doesn't really bother me anyway, what would be some of the benefits of going with parabolan over tren-A?
I'm feeling a little stupid for asking this question, I feel I should know this already. Anyway, what are your opinions? Let me know guys, I put a lot of weight into what a lot of you say. Tthis does not include some of you retards who post here, I really wish you all would go away... so let it be written, so let it be done ;)
How important is the ester when using tren? gh15 insists on acetate but how much of a real world difference would there be using enanthate? It's certainly more cost effective as tren enan is dosed at 200mg/ml whereas tren acetate is dosed at 100mg/ml but the enanthate is maybe only $10 more than a vial of acetate? And you don't have to pin ed or eod but maybe once or twice a week like any other enanthate ester. I believe Groink used tren enanthate and it seemed to do him well. I remember in my day (and I'm sure Coach can confirm this) parabolan was the magic elixir. And if I remember correctly it was dose at 76mg (yes, 76mg) and was in a 1.5ml amp. Three amps a week was the recommended dosages but ed was for the hard core. It's half life was longer that acetate though I'm not sure by how much. Maybe combining both enanthate with acetate might be a good idea. I remember gh15 once mentioning how combining a long ester test as a base and foundation along with prop would make for an ideal anabolic environment.
Maybe he had high BP to start with ? or at least just more than the normal range, or BP issues in the family?
Normal bp when off and bp issues in the family, like anyone nowadays anyway. I had 150/80 on 500mg of test without AI. I am bloted like hell on this dose. Also legit farm grade test straight from Jelfa...What did your diet looked like?
So I think AI is a must for me.
What did your diet looked like?
sodium intake?
you did any cardio?
Normal bp when off and bp issues in the family, like anyone nowadays anyway. I had 150/80 on 500mg of test without AI. I am bloted like hell on this dose. Also legit farm grade test straight from Jelfa...
So I think AI is a must for me.
cardio 3 times a week after workout, clean high carb diet, when I cut down sodium it helped for few days but not in the long run.So why not just going on Disgusted route and use only anabolics?
it doesn't matter, off I can use any salt I want and not get bloated by a tiny bit without any cardio. now i'm cruising on 150mg test/week and I have to use little bit of AI still for some reason.
i am really sensitive to test and prefer high anabolic. i never used tren but i think high tren and low test will do the trick for me in terms of condition and so on.
I only prefer a smaller amount of test as well. The first time I tried a gram of test, I broke out with huge welt like zits on my back that I couldn't pop. Deep, red and purple bastards all down my middle and lower back where I've never broken out. :-X
I recently tried NO test and don't like it. I like a small amount cycled in and out. I switch between sustanon and prop and shoot EOD for both. It rounds things off and after a certain amount there are diminishing returns (that changes if you're taking mutation doses of GH though).
high dose test made me very hairy AND FAST !!!!!!! i was like :o
So why not just going on Disgusted route and use only anabolics?
Fast, you mean - speed, like - running?
Should be a sweet feeling if you are into it..
I only prefer a smaller amount of test as well. The first time I tried a gram of test, I broke out with huge welt like zits on my back that I couldn't pop. Deep, red and purple bastards all down my middle and lower back where I've never broken out. :-X
I recently tried NO test and don't like it. I like a small amount cycled in and out. I switch between sustanon and prop and shoot EOD for both. It rounds things off and after a certain amount there are diminishing returns (that changes if you're taking mutation doses of GH though).
He means fast with the ladies.
Pump, pump, NUT!! One pump, two maybe if he's feeling like a sexy brute. ;) ;D
what do you usually run for the base of a cycle then? deca, eq, tren? everyone gets sides differently and reacts differently to compounds but... seems as though the bad backne is from high androgen levels so something like tren would probably cause the same sides, so i'm curious if you are fine running high tren or is it the same as the test?
from what i've heard/read its pretty common for most people to get bad sides once they hit 1gram test or about there. i'm ok until i hit 1,500 a week and then it feels like my heart is just dying