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After finding out that a lot of getbiggers like to use machines instead of free weight i decided to make a tread letting you know what you are doing to your body.
Smith Machine: the body was not made to lift in a straight line, so if your body needs to move horizontally and you forced it to move vertically then something must bear the strain and that is your joints and tendons and ligaments, for example in the smith machine squat, your hips knees, shoulders and lower back absorbs the forces needed to move the weight, this will leave you with low back pain, chronically sore knees and hips or in some cases severe injury to these areas after years of using the smith machine. We will talk about other machines in the gym later on but the point is after years of lifting and your joints are fucked up and you are feeling pain and sore all the time now you know why.
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People were born to use machines ... always use one when I buy my cigarettes.
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I agree, machines can be dangerous
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I can agree on this, the human body moves different than a machine possibly can handle.
In my gym I see people even performing upright rows in a smith, pathetic.
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What about this - I've seen these new machines that look like the old ones, except it is designed that your whole body rocks back and forth while you're doing the movement - whatever the movement is...?? Anyone seen these?
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We don't move in single joint.
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Some of the newer machines do move in a natural line. Smith machine is probably a bad example.
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unabomber
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Should I get rid of my answering machine? Sometimes it records funny noises, like it has a mine of its own, what do u think mr machine guru?
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What about this - I've seen these new machines that look like the old ones, except it is designed that your whole body rocks back and forth while you're doing the movement - whatever the movement is...?? Anyone seen these?
Oh fuck haha, my gym has them. It's like riding on a drunk woman ;D
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Should I get rid of my answering machine? Sometimes it records funny noises, like it has a mine of its own, what do u think mr machine guru?
I would say get rid of it but then how would a schmoe leave you a message.
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I would say get rid of it but then how would a schmoe leave you a message.
that's why u make the big bucks!
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;D deese kinds alwazs rips mee offf.
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Oh fuck haha, my gym has them. It's like riding on a drunk woman ;D
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Yeah that's them! Except mine have the weight stack. WTF is that supposed to do? Maybe it's valid, I don't know! I don't like the leg extension machine though, there is only meaningful resistance at the top 1/3 of the movement it feels like.
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What about this - I've seen these new machines that look like the old ones, except it is designed that your whole body rocks back and forth while you're doing the movement - whatever the movement is...?? Anyone seen these?
I'm sure your body rocks back and forth a lot...underneath men :D
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Yeah that's them! Except mine have the weight stack. WTF is that supposed to do? Maybe it's valid, I don't know! I don't like the leg extension machine though, there is only meaningful resistance at the top 1/3 of the movement it feels like.
I discussed this with a trainer, and he told it was to prevent cheating, for example arching your back during pressing movements.
True, their leg extention is shitty, fortunately we also have a better one, but their seated leg curl is a good one.
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I discussed this with a trainer, and he told it was to prevent cheating, for example arching your back during pressing movements.
True, their leg extention is shitty, fortunately we also have a better one, but their seated leg curl is a good one.
Tell him the human body is designed to move in multiple planes not just one.
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Getbiggers dont worry bout joints.... Were all on lots of gh and deca.
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Tell him the human body is designed to move in multiple planes not just one.
I agree 100%, but as a formal trainer myself, I know that most trainers train their clients on machines, simply because it saves them time. Also, many of them aren't aware of biomechanics :-\
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Yeah that's them! Except mine have the weight stack. WTF is that supposed to do? Maybe it's valid, I don't know! I don't like the leg extension machine though, there is only meaningful resistance at the top 1/3 of the movement it feels like.
Leg extension puts a lot of force on the knee if you are going to do it only do light reps.
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Leg extension puts a lot of force on the knee if you are going to do it only do light reps.
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I always laugh when people have this prejudice about squats
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Leg extension puts a lot of force on the knee if you are going to do it only do light reps.
Light reps???
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Light reps???
lol I mean high reps with light weights.
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Light reps???
light > high reps > long tension time for your knees
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Machines have their place but nothing replaces free weights!!
Use them both for best results and train hard,stop worrying about the fucking minutia.
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;D deese kinds alwazs rips mee offf.
Builds size fast!
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You got to do it all, mainly free weights of course. It's not rocket science, light weight on leg extensions? Trainer, you're a fuckin pussy and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Light weight on leg extensions only apply to senior citizens, if gh15 makes high level competitors, if coach brings out the best in athletes, well then you trainer, you produce shit.
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After 20 years of squatting and a destroyed lower back, the smith machine is the only thing I can use that doesn't hurt and still give me good leg size.
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You got to do it all, mainly free weights of course. It's not rocket science, light weight on leg extensions? Trainer, you're a fuckin pussy and you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Light weight on leg extensions only apply to senior citizens, if gh15 makes high level competitors, if coach brings out the best in athletes, well then you trainer, you produce shit.
When you are old and your knees are fucked up from years of heavy leg extensions maybe then you will remember what I said.
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After 20 years of squatting and a destroyed lower back, the smith machine is the only thing I can use that doesn't hurt and still give me good leg size.
Do reverse training start off by working your hamstings, then do leg press and finish with barbell squats, by then your quads will be fried so you can squat with a light weight and still get a good burn make sure you use a lifting belt.
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Do reverse training start off by working your hamstings, then do leg press and finish with barbell squats, by then your quads will be fried so you can squat with a light weight and still get a good burn make sure you use a lifting belt.
I always start w hams. I like the blood flow in that region that acts like a cushion when I squat.
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Thank you for ungaying this boring thread, freespirit..
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Thank you for ungaying this boring thread, freespirit..
You're welcome. :)
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Thank you for ungaying this boring thread, freespirit..
To gay things up, who's that orange cutie on your avatar?
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Some of the newer machines do move in a natural line. Smith machine is probably a bad example.
only machines with cams and loads of position selectors would come close to a person's natural arc. even then, the lifter has to find the correct positions, and the cams need to intersect with the resistance at the correct place too.
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To gay things up, who's that orange cutie on your avatar?
It's The Springfield Pervert, check him out on youtube....
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I have never seen or heard of anyone tearing anything while performing full olympic squats. Every fucking injury is due to pathetic half squats, smith half squats or hack machine squats. Especially hack machine is really, really unnatural movement. Smith machine kills my joints like nothing else.
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the machine makes me think of "8mm"
great movie
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It's The Springfield Pervert, check him out on youtube....
Fortunate, this getbigger doesn't have my number
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i use the following machines since i dont really find a free weight alternative for them
*standing calf raise machine
*seated calf raise machine
*leg curl machine
*cable for L-flies to strengthen the external shoulder rotator cuff shit
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so many people have torn biceps deadlifting or bench pressing, so many experienced guys say stay away from squats if u are tall or older
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so many people have torn biceps deadlifting or bench pressing, so many experienced guys say stay away from squats if u are tall or older
only in the cult of bodybuild
i come from olympic style lifting back ground and these guys think anything without a barbell is blasphemy even dumbells lol dumbells they will say
not to speak of machines
coach is 62 and still squatting 140kg for a couple of reps to parallel depth, very tall guy too
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haha very tall guy, in what universe is he tall, he eat the blue caterpillar's mushroom?
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haha very tall guy, in what universe is he tall, he eat the blue caterpillar's mushroom?
no i meant the actual coach of lifting facility
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no i meant the actual coach of lifting facility
oh lol
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oh lol
took me a while to figure your post out, i nearly bit the cyanide pill thinking you are an ex team mate finding out about this account
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lol, was referring to alice in wonderland
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There was a study performed on a population of olympic lifters which concluded that oly lifters are as likely to have knee injuries as statistical person. So basicly oly style squats are as dangerous as walking. Of course this way it's impossible to every bodybuilding shithead to claim 300kg squat and it's actually hard and heavy to do that so they avoid it. And without VMO muscles developed from deep squats they complain about their knees like little girls.
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There was a study performed on a population of olympic lifters which concluded that oly lifters are as likely to have knee injuries as statistical person. So basicly oly style squats are as dangerous as walking. Of course this way it's impossible to every bodybuilding shithead to claim 300kg squat and it's actually hard and heavy to do that so they avoid it. And without VMO muscles developed from deep squats they complain about their knees like little girls.
the cult of bodybuild has the highest prevalence of freak knee and back defects that only pose a problem in high bar full squats
lay nortom claims he can't squat high bar full depth because he is tall lol....
so he used his superior brain power and high level education to create the tall man's squat technique lol....
has he ever seen the height of world class weightlifters in the superheavies? they make the bar look short
example:
Born Mikhail Koklyaev
Russia Russia
Occupation Olympic-style weightlifting Strongman Powerlifting
Height 6'4" (1,91m)
Weight 350 lb (160 kg)
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there have been lots of bogus studies performed on all sorts of statistically insignificant numbers of men
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so many people have torn biceps deadlifting or bench pressing, so many experienced guys say stay away from squats if u are tall or older
Show me one person that tore a bicep from benching
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Show me one person that tore a bicep from benching
a lot of people have torn their bicep from spotting the bench press (serious)
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there have been lots of bogus studies performed on all sorts of statistically insignificant numbers of men
yes and charles poliquin is so much fucking bogus.
oly lifters and couches are one of the few guys that actually know shit about training. they're no bodybuilding self proclaimed "gurus" preaching isolating inner chest (ahahhaha) or some "powerlifting" morons doing pathetic tire flips as cardio and other "hardcore" shit. they've got strong science and generations of experience to prove their claims so please don't be such a bodybuilding arrogant #girl and don't try to bash them.
bodybuilding and powerlifting is 100% business. they sell their shit which is marketable. what is marketable? easy, low volume, fast routines, not requiring much effort. "hardcore" in the sense of looking hardcore not being hardcore. truth aint marketable. deep oly squats aint marketable. lifting twice daily, 7 times a week HARD wont sell. on the other hand another "low volume low rep low everything" schedule with a diet like "you can eat whatever on sunday as long as you eat according to your blood type, body type, ear type and penis shape" will sell.
wake up.
oh and by the way in powerlifting and bb anything, including most pathetic shit will work as long as you use enough drugs and have good response to them. in olympic lifting it isnt that simple. you dont believe it? try it. some anadrola and trenbolona and testosterona show ester wont make you even decent there.
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yes and charles poliquin is so much fucking bogus.
oly lifters and couches are one of the few guys that actually know shit about training. they're no bodybuilding self proclaimed "gurus" preaching isolating inner chest (ahahhaha) or some "powerlifting" morons doing pathetic tire flips as cardio and other "hardcore" shit. they've got strong science and generations of experience to prove their claims so please don't be such a bodybuilding arrogant #girl and don't try to bash them.
bodybuilding and powerlifting is 100% business. they sell their shit which is marketable. what is marketable? easy, low volume, fast routines, not requiring much effort. "hardcore" in the sense of looking hardcore not being hardcore. truth aint marketable. deep oly squats aint marketable. lifting twice daily, 7 times a week HARD wont sell. on the other hand another "low volume low rep low everything" schedule with a diet like "you can eat whatever on sunday as long as you eat according to your blood type, body type, ear type and penis shape" will sell.
wake up.
oh and by the way in powerlifting and bb anything, including most pathetic shit will work as long as you use enough drugs and have good response to them. in olympic lifting it isnt that simple. you dont believe it? try it. some anadrola and trenbolona and testosterona show ester wont make you even decent there.
a lot of truth in here but without drugs you wont get beyond 120kg snatch 150kg clean and jerk or thereabout, I guarantee it
when you see some small china man tossing 200kg overhead it screams drugs just as loud as ronnie coleman on the 2004 olympia
of course technique technique technique and athletic ability, but after a good 5 years of training they also need to start using hormones if they want to get anywhere
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a lot of truth in here but without drugs you wont get beyond 120kg snatch 150kg clean and jerk or thereabout, I guarantee it
when you see some small china man tossing 200kg overhead it screams drugs just as loud as ronnie coleman on the 2004 olympia
of course technique technique technique and athletic ability, but after a good 5 years of training they also need to start using hormones if they want to get anywhere
OF COURSE there are hormones.
But let's be honest use of hormones is far less and it's not a major factor. All of them start young and then it's practice, practice, practice. It's very hard sport, most of them train EVERY FUCKING DAY.
Nowadays "overtraining" is most favourite word in bb and pl. I don't see Arnold or any of guys from back in the days being overtrained, I don't see Oly Lifters overtrained either.
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After finding out that a lot of getbiggers like to use machines instead of free weight i decided to make a tread letting you know what you are doing to your body.
Smith Machine: the body was not made to lift in a straight line, so if your body needs to move horizontally and you forced it to move vertically then something must bear the strain and that is your joints and tendons and ligaments, for example in the smith machine squat, your hips knees, shoulders and lower back absorbs the forces needed to move the weight, this will leave you with low back pain, chronically sore knees and hips or in some cases severe injury to these areas after years of using the smith machine. We will talk about other machines in the gym later on but the point is after years of lifting and your joints are fucked up and you are feeling pain and sore all the time now you know why.
Yes, every time i've been injured it was the result of using a machine. ::) trainer LOL
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The only chronic injury I've ever had is a back injury that happened while doing barbell bent rows. That happened 7 years ago and my back has never fully recovered. Yes, I understand that machines are not foolproof or entirely safe, but neither are free weights of course
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I can agree on this, the human body moves different than a machine possibly can handle.
In my gym I see people even performing upright rows in a smith, pathetic.
I'm one of the biggest in my (college) gym and I do upright rows on the smith all the time. I can put just a plate on each side and go slow and get great concentration. Works fantastic. I hurt my shoulder joints a hell of a lot more shoulder pressing heavy dumbells.
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I'm one of the biggest in my (college) gym and I do upright rows on the smith all the time. I can put just a plate on each side and go slow and get great concentration. Works fantastic. I hurt my shoulder joints a hell of a lot more shoulder pressing heavy dumbells.
Why would you hurt the shoulder joints, isn't that like asking for injuries, sooner or later? Comparing them with DB presses is an apples/oranges thing, totallee different movement and it hits other areas of the deltoids.
I do my uprights in a squat rack (yes, I'm a sinner LOL!), without swinging and with slow negatives. Because of the biomechanics of the delt, this movement never goes 100% up and down only. Like with all free weight exercises, more fibers get requited because of the stabilisation work.
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#2 for some rear work and #3 for the front part
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OF COURSE there are hormones.
But let's be honest use of hormones is far less and it's not a major factor. All of them start young and then it's practice, practice, practice. It's very hard sport, most of them train EVERY FUCKING DAY.
Nowadays "overtraining" is most favourite word in bb and pl. I don't see Arnold or any of guys from back in the days being overtrained, I don't see Oly Lifters overtrained either.
it's said that to be international level lifter you need to train at least 18 hours a week
this corresponds about what I read about for example the cuban weightlifting team, they train 9 times a week, twice on mon-wed-fri and once on tue-thu-sat. sunday off. assuming each session would take 2 hours this is 18 hours?
i agree weightlifting is a very hard sport
but the reason they can train everyday is because they use hormones, like that pat mendes kid aka the youtube champion of the world
his coach says overtraining dont exist train hard every day but of course his athletes are juiced to the gills this is why they perform poorly on tested competitions or dont compete at all
natural weightlifters would definitely get overtrained it's a fact of life
just because you dont see it in their physique doesnt mean they dont use a lot of hormones, but i'm sure they use less and different stuff than ronnie coleman types
they get busted all the time, often an entire team all at once and this is after they tried hard not to get caught...
no over training only under steroiding lol
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wow now those are some women! :P :o
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what about legg press and hack squat? as bad?
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When you are old and your knees are fucked up from years of heavy leg extensions maybe then you will remember what I said.
I'm 46 years old...I make you look like dog shit...I'm injury free...and i use machines every day
fuck off gimmick
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what about legg press and hack squat? as bad?
Hacks, esp with a small stance, are a knee killer when you go heavy
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Hacks, esp with a small stance, are a knee killer when you go heavy
Only when you're gay they are....
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Only when you're gay they are....
;D
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tanks for the mammaries will
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There we have Don Pedo. I grew up in the same city where he lives. I was the newsboy in his hood (true story)
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There we have Don Pedo. I grew up in the same city where he lives. I was the newsboy in his hood (true story)
Is he really a pedo, I never heard that. He lives in Breda or somewhere around..?
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Is he really a pedo, I never heard that. He lives in Breda or somewhere around..?
LOL, not that I know, but he looked creepy with those smurfs.
Yes, he lives (or lived?) in Breda in a nice Rietveld home.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/3045601885_acfe84360d.jpg)
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What a beautiful house. :-X
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What a beautiful house. :-X
Haters gonna hate ::)
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yes it's true they are making machines more and more advanced to simulate the feel of free weights.
but they also make real free weights.
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yes and charles poliquin is so much fucking bogus.
oly lifters and couches are one of the few guys that actually know shit about training. they're no bodybuilding self proclaimed "gurus" preaching isolating inner chest (ahahhaha) or some "powerlifting" morons doing pathetic tire flips as cardio and other "hardcore" shit. they've got strong science and generations of experience to prove their claims so please don't be such a bodybuilding arrogant #girl and don't try to bash them.
bodybuilding and powerlifting is 100% business. they sell their shit which is marketable. what is marketable? easy, low volume, fast routines, not requiring much effort. "hardcore" in the sense of looking hardcore not being hardcore. truth aint marketable. deep oly squats aint marketable. lifting twice daily, 7 times a week HARD wont sell. on the other hand another "low volume low rep low everything" schedule with a diet like "you can eat whatever on sunday as long as you eat according to your blood type, body type, ear type and penis shape" will sell.
wake up.
oh and by the way in powerlifting and bb anything, including most pathetic shit will work as long as you use enough drugs and have good response to them. in olympic lifting it isnt that simple. you dont believe it? try it. some anadrola and trenbolona and testosterona show ester wont make you even decent there.
Stop spreading the truth or the mighty Derek may drain an abscess right into your oatmeal. :)
I agree 100% with you but you have to take into account that most folks work out to relax.... can't blame them.
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the cult of bodybuild has the highest prevalence of freak knee and back defects that only pose a problem in high bar full squats
Born Mikhail Koklyaev
Russia Russia
Occupation Olympic-style weightlifting Strongman Powerlifting
Height 6'4" (1,91m)
Weight 350 lb (160 kg)
hahahahaaahaha no way josé. Not at 1,91 m.
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hahahahaaahaha no way josé. Not at 1,91 m.
Too much or too little?
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hahahahaaahaha no way josé. Not at 1,91 m.
the barbell is 220cm fool and it looks small on him
Mikhail Koklyaev (Misha)
Sixth Arnold Strongman Classic Appearance
Hometown: Chelyabinsk, Russia
Age: 32
Height: 191 cm/6'3"
Weight: 158 kg/348 lbs.
Measurements:
Chest: 144cm/56.7 inches
Biceps: 53 cm/21 inches
Thigh: 84 cm/33 inches
Calf: 51 cm/20.7 inches
Neck: 52 cm/21 inches
Family: Wife's name -- Oksana; one son, 7 years old named Mikhail, a 6 month old daughter named Diana.
Contest History & Records: 4th in 2010 Arnold Strongman Classic 3rd in 2010 TWI World's Strongest Man Contest
2nd in 2009 Arnold Strongman Classic
3rd in 2008 Arnold Strongman Classic
5th in 2007 Arnold Strongman Classic
3rd in 2006 Arnold Strongman Classic
1st in 2005,2006, 2007, 2008 Russian Strongman Championships
Seven -Time Russian Weightlifting Champion
Winner IFSA Grand Prix Event in Brazil
2nd in 2007 IFSA Strongman World 2-Man Championships (with Igor Pedan)
2nd in 2006 IFSA Strongman World Championships
3rd in 2005 IFSA Strongman World Championships
2006 Russian Strongman Championships Winner
Best weightlifting lifts in competition:
Snatch: 210 kilos/462.7 pounds (2003)
Clean & Jerk: 250 kilos/551 pounds (2005) Total: 450 kilos/992 pounds (2005)
Best lifts in Powerlifting competition:
Squat: 360 kilos/ pounds (2009)
Bench: 240 kilos/529 pounds (2006)
DL: 415 kilos/(2010) the best result in Russia
Miscellaneous: Misha began training in 1990 and spent one year primarily focused on boxing. In 1992 he switched to Olympic weightlifting where he quickly excelled and became the Russian champion. Misha's first love is Olympic weightlifting and he is the only strongman who actively competes in both sports. At the 2006 Arnold Classic, after placing third in the strongman contest, Misha gave an exhibition of his Olympic lifting skills at the Arnold junior event on Sunday morning. He clean and jerked a whopping 529 pounds in that exhibition—an amazing lift given what he'd just been through over the past two days. In 2009, he gave an exhibition on Sunday morning on the main stage of the Expo Hall where he clean and jerked 501 pounds on the very bar used by the legendary Vasily Alexeyev the first man to break the 500 pound barrier in the clean and jerk. In 2010 Misha made a great showing at the TWI World's Strongest Man Contest, finishing third behind Zydrunas Savickas and Brian Shaw.
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Too much or too little?
Too much man. I'm the same height and I can somewhat relate to what 160 kg would look like at 1,91 m. The only one I've ever seen approach those numbers was a young football player that was over 2,05 m tall and around 340 lbs and he was fucking fat. The guy in the video although not close to being shredded, looks nothing like 160 kg. I'd believe 140 kg, maybe.
EDIT: On a second look, even 140 kg seems like pushing it.
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not many usefull machines out there
- leg curl
- leg press
- lat pulldown (cable)
- seated row (cable)
- flyes
- cable pushdowns for triceps
don t use much more
stick with the basic free weight movements
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LOL, not that I know, but he looked creepy with those smurfs.
Yes, he lives (or lived?) in Breda in a nice Rietveld home.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3165/3045601885_acfe84360d.jpg)
Terrific house, I wouldn't mind living there.....
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I'm 46 years old...I make you look like dog shit...I'm injury free...and i use machines every day
fuck off gimmick
You're 46 years old, loading hormones and bashing people on internet boards for not looking like you. It's illegal in your country, what you gonna do if you get busted? What about your kids? Ever thought about that?
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Terrific house, I wouldn't mind living there.....
Maybe they'll throw in the metronome in the bedroom. :D