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Rodgers > Brady?
Rodgers > Marino?
Rodgers > ...Montana???
Speak on this.
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no, Ruth is now and will always be the greatest baseball player of all time, Joe Montana is now and will always be the greatest QB of all time, Rodgers has a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go to be even mentioned in the same breath as those guys.
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nevermind my Babe Ruth statement, i thought when you said A-Rod you meant Alex Rodriguez.
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no, Ruth is now and will always be the greatest baseball player of all time, Joe Montana is now and will always be the greatest QB of all time, Rodgers has a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go to be even mentioned in the same breath as those guys.
phat albert has a nice start to his career still no babe ruth though.
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Rodgers is the best qb playing right now but is a long way from even being in the argument for greatest of all time.
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He's well on his way. 72% completion is fucking sick. He wins another ring this year and that puts him higher than punk ass Favre...I'm content with that. He's pure fucking awesome. And I'm a huge Brady fan.
He's not better than Brady, Montana, Moreno or Manning...Yet
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He's well on his way. 72% completion is fucking sick. He wins another ring this year and that puts him higher than punk ass Favre...I'm content with that. He's pure fucking awesome. And I'm a huge Brady fan.
He's not better than Brady, Montana, Moreno or Manning...Yet
it takes more than a couple of rings to be mentioned with the legends, the guy is in his second or third year as a starter for christs sake, let him play for another decade and a half then we'll talk.
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He's won one Super Bowl and has had one half of one great year statistically, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
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Gisselle kind of looks like Tom Brady facially :-\
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Better than Favre, but needs 5 rings to be considered the greatest ever.
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I'm a Giants fan, but when it comes to QB's it's tough to argue that anyone ever is better than Tom Brady. Some QB's have some better statisctical columns than him, but Brady is top 3 in just about every stat category and at the end of the day, he gets the job done. Like Jordan. Some bball players had better stats in their careers, but at the end of a basketball game, if you had to pick one player of all time that you want with the ball, it's Jordan. If you have 2 minutes left on the clock and you can pick any QB to drive down field and win the game for you, it'd be tough to not pick Brady. The guy gets the job done. Unless it's 2007 and he's playing the Giants ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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No.
Possibly.
Hell No.
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no, Ruth is now and will always be the greatest baseball player of all time, Joe Montana is now and will always be the greatest QB of all time, Rodgers has a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go to be even mentioned in the same breath as those guys.
Btw, Baby Ruth wouldnt hit 300 Hrs by today standars.
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Not the greatest Yankee but the best player on the team.
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Not the greatest Yankee but the best player on the team.
I'm leaning toward Cano at this point.....
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He is playing at a level right now that is as good if not better than anyone but he has to do it a few more years to even be in that discussion of the greatest of all time.
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Not the greatest Yankee but the best player on the team.
He has choked on too many occasions in the post season.
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Btw, Baby Ruth wouldnt hit 300 Hrs by today standars.
I agree with this. The talk of the old-timers gets old. They didn't face all the specialized relief pitching, didn't have the crazy $$$ amounts to motivate to work hard year around, etc. Different eras, different game. Now, put guys like Pujols back in time and they would tear shit up.
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As far as Rodgers goes, if they win two in a row....he has an awesome start. Much to be determined, but if they can keep that team together for a few years, it could be one hell of a run.
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He has choked on too many occasions in the post season.
Myth.
His 2009 post season is one of the greatest performances in post season history, and his career post season numbers are in line with his career norms.
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He's won one Super Bowl and has had one half of one great year statistically, let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
agreed. is he the best QB in the NFL right now? absolutely. the accuracy of his arm and mobility outside the pocket makes him a threat that hard to contain.
you guys will laugh, but in all honesty in 10-15 years brett favre will widely be considered the best QB of all time. and im not a brett favre fan- i like the guy, but recognise his contribution to the game of football.
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Gay for tom brady Much ?
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Gay for tom brady Much ?
LoL , you see a pretty and cute guy, I see an NFL legend that works hard, plays tuff, and will be a first Ballet Hall of famer.
Thread is about who is Bette then Aaron Rogers not who is better looking, but I'd u wanna go there please tell us Groink who is the sexiest QB in the NFL?
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Roy Hobbs
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I'm a Giants fan, but when it comes to QB's it's tough to argue that anyone ever is better than Tom Brady. Some QB's have some better statisctical columns than him, but Brady is top 3 in just about every stat category and at the end of the day, he gets the job done. Like Jordan. Some bball players had better stats in their careers, but at the end of a basketball game, if you had to pick one player of all time that you want with the ball, it's Jordan. If you have 2 minutes left on the clock and you can pick any QB to drive down field and win the game for you, it'd be tough to not pick Brady. The guy gets the job done. Unless it's 2007 and he's playing the Giants ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Lol, but if you remember, Brady did throw a touchdown to Moss with a couple of minutes left in the 4th. 99% of the time Brady gets the job done. It's the defense that has let us Pats fans down recently.
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LoL , you see a pretty and cute guy, I see an NFL legend that works hard, plays tuff, and will be a first Ballet Hall of famer.
Thread is about who is Bette then Aaron Rogers not who is better looking, but I'd u wanna go there please tell us Groink who is the sexiest QB in the NFL?
I see a homo with candid pics of Brady on his hard drive , not a single one of this "great" QB actually IN UNIFORM on the field...you can stop backpedaling now ;)
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I see a homo with candid pics of Brady on his hard drive , not a single one of this "great" QB actually IN UNIFORM on the field...you can stop backpedaling now ;)
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first Ballet Hall of famer.
Win.
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Brady is better than Montana. Montana played with an All-star team with those 80's 49ers. The one year that Brady had a motivated Moss, he threw 50 touchdowns. By the way' Rodgers still has some work to do before he matches Brady's 2007 season. Brady's last years stats weren't so bad either (36 td, 4 int) first unanimous league mvp. ;D
Lol, his career qb rating is a 95.7! Most teams would kill for their qb to have a 95.7 rating for one year.
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Brady is better than Montana. Montana played with an All-star team with those 80's 49ers. The one year that Brady had a motivated Moss, he threw 50 touchdowns. By the way' Rodgers still has some work to do before he matches Brady's 2007 season. Brady's last years stats weren't so bad either (36 td, 4 int) first unanimous league mvp. ;D
Lol, his career qb rating is a 95.7! Most teams would kill for their qb to have a 95.7 rating for one year.
Dead wrong. Montana is the greatest quarterback of all time. Brady isn't even a distant second.
Montana, as well as Marino, Elway, etc. all played at a time when defenses were actually allowed to play.
Defensive backs could practically tackle receivers and quarterbacks would routinely take shots that would get defensive players today fined and suspended.
Montana never lost a Super Bowl, Brady did.
Today's game is an offensive game, just look at how many quarterbacks throw for 4,000 yards these days like it's nothing.
Hell, Matt freakin Cassel looked like a decent quarterback with Belichick working his magic. With some help from spy footage I'm sure.
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Dead wrong. Montana is the greatest quarterback of all time. Brady isn't even a distant second.
Montana, as well as Marino, Elway, etc. all played at a time when defenses were actually allowed to play.
Defensive backs could practically tackle receivers and quarterbacks would routinely take shots that would get defensive players today fined and suspended.
Montana never lost a Super Bowl, Brady did.
Today's game is an offensive game, just look at how many quarterbacks throw for 4,000 yards these days like it's nothing.
Hell, Matt freakin Cassel looked like a decent quarterback with Belichick working his magic. With some help from spy footage I'm sure.
x2 defense is a different game today. Ronnie Lott would be fined into poverty in today's NFL.
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As for baseball, Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all time. I know this'll offend you baseball purists who preach nothing but Babe Ruth, but Bonds is THE greatest player to have ever played this game. Argue steroids all you want, but the pitchers were no doubt juicing as well. Ruth never had to face consistent 95+ mph pitches.
Greatest quarterback? Toss-up between Manning and Brady, with Favre a very close second. The only reason I say Favre is due to his longetivity in the league, as he played in both the brutal days of little QB protection and today's pass-happy rules. Those that say Montana and Marino, I understand....but...Mont ana played on a virtual All-Star team. In those days, all but a few teams(with no salary cap) had absolutely no shot in getting to a Super Bowl. It was the same teams year in and year out that were good or bad. This is one of the reasons why the 49ers and Cowboys were so good for so long....so much amazing talent stacked. If Montana had played for the Rams, Lions, or Cardinals, he would've never sniffed the Super Bowl, if he even made the playoffs.
Today, ANY team can make it to the Super Bowl. Just in the last decade there were a handful of teams that made or won the Super Bowl for the first time in franchise history. There is much greater parity today than there ever was. Yes, the numbers are gaudy nowadays, but even bad teams can beat you on any given Sunday. Look at the Patriots. They are talked about year in and year as if they were some kind of NFL juggernaut, but yet they haven't won a playoff in game in 4 years. You still have to have a good team around you, and a QB alone isn't going to save you.
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Btw, Baby Ruth wouldnt hit 300 Hrs by today standars.
Take a look at Adrian Gonzalez of the Red Sox. The guy looks like he's never been in a weight room in his life. Look what he is able to do against MLB pitching. He's a natural born baseball player. As was Babe Ruth but even much better.
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Brady is better than Montana. Montana played with an All-star team with those 80's 49ers. The one year that Brady had a motivated Moss, he threw 50 touchdowns. By the way' Rodgers still has some work to do before he matches Brady's 2007 season. Brady's last years stats weren't so bad either (36 td, 4 int) first unanimous league mvp. ;D
Lol, his career qb rating is a 95.7! Most teams would kill for their qb to have a 95.7 rating for one year.
Feel free to never post on a football related thread ever again... This is by far the dumbest thing I've ever read about a QB in my life.
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Adrian Gonzalez of the Red Sox.
he isn't dominican, rican or cuban. he has b e a n e r genetics. weights won't help much.
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he isn't dominican, rican or cuban. he has b e a n e r genetics. weights won't help much.
True. Just pointing out that the Babe Ruth of old would have been just as good in any era he played. Nolan Ryan throw about 100 mph his whole career. And he gave up over 300 home runs. Babe Ruth would have no problem what so ever hitting 95 mph fastball like the guys of today throw.
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Rodgers > Brady?
Rodgers > Marino?
Rodgers > ...Montana???
Speak on this.
are you serious? he has had 4 very good yrs and a SB but your comparing him to alltime greats...slow down cowboy
he may end up being better but, give him time
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no, Ruth is now and will always be the greatest baseball player of all time, Joe Montana is now and will always be the greatest QB of all time, Rodgers has a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG way to go to be even mentioned in the same breath as those guys.
do you yearn to be white? just wondering
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Feel free to never post on a football related thread ever again... This is by far the dumbest thing I've ever read about a QB in my life.
Why? People argue that this is a pass happy league now right? They throw the ball more then ever before right? Brady is throwing more than Montana ever did, and yet he still has a lifetime Qb rating of 95.7 . Montana had a better team around him on offense and defense. The Cassel argument is void. He made the pro bowl as a starter for the chiefs, so obviously he has some talent. I'm interested, who you think is the best of all time?
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Why? People argue that this is a pass happy league now right? They throw the ball more then ever before right? Brady is throwing more than Montana ever did, and yet he still has a lifetime Qb rating of 95.7 . Montana had a better team around him on offense and defense. The Cassel argument is void. He made the pro bowl as a starter for the chiefs, so obviously he has some talent. I'm interested, who you think is the best of all time?
Brady - No bump and run past 5 yds
Montana - Holding WRs 25 yds down field
Brady - DBs with waxy gloves
Montana - DBs with glue and stickem
Brady - Slide and don't get hit
Montana - Get knocked the fuck out.
Easier game for Brady. Would be interesting if he faced the Steele curtain, Dallas Flex or Chicago under Montana NFL rules.
In other words, Montana needed All-Stars just to move the ball down the field.
I highly doubt Brady would win with Kevin Faulk and Branch in the old school NFL.
Generation Nothing.
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I admit i'm biased. I'm a Pats fan. It's like comparing apples to apples. If you want to go by generations, then Brady is the best quarterback of this generation (pending Rodgers career)
Current Qbs:
1.Brady
2.P. Manning
3.D.Brees
I did not put Rodgers up there yet because you cant be the best in the league after only a couple good years. Come talk to me if he goes another 5+ years with great stats. You also can't expect him to play this lights out every year. Brady has his typical All-pro years(every year) sprinkled with phenominal ones ('07, '10). There is no other quarterback I would want running a 2-minute drill at the end of the game.
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It's overkill with this "Rodgers is playing the better than any quarterback ever in the last 15 games ..." Brady, Manning been doing it way longer. Plus Montana did pretty good too for a stretch of time.
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It's overkill with this "Rodgers is playing the better than any quarterback ever in the last 15 games ..." Brady, Manning been doing it way longer. Plus Montana did pretty good too for a stretch of time.
Exactly!!!!!
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Ok, right now, today...is Rodgers playing the position at the highest level we've seen since Montana left San Fran? And that includes the season Tommy went for 50.
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True. Just pointing out that the Babe Ruth of old would have been just as good in any era he played. Nolan Ryan throw about 100 mph his whole career. And he gave up over 300 home runs. Babe Ruth would have no problem what so ever hitting 95 mph fastball like the guys of today throw.
Nolan Ryan retired in the 90's decades after Ruth......
Even if he saw a 95mph fast ball (which wasnt the case in the early 1900's) Ruth only saw fast balls and curves his entire carreer ....(piece of cake) for a power hitter at any level.
Any AA player could have make it to the majors under such circunstances.
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Nolan Ryan retired in the 90's decades after Ruth......
Even if he saw a 95mph fast ball (which wasnt the case in the early 1900's) Ruth only saw fast balls and curves his entire carreer ....(piece of cake) for a power hitter at any level.
Any AA player could have make it to the majors under such circunstances.
pitchers arent throwing any faste today than they ever have, Bob Feller was throwing 103 mph. in the 1940's and no one does that today, Ruth would be knocking the cover off the ball on these little 5 inning throwing bitches today.
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Nolan Ryan retired in the 90's decades after Ruth......
Even if he saw a 95mph fast ball (which wasnt the case in the early 1900's) Ruth only saw fast balls and curves his entire carreer ....(piece of cake) for a power hitter at any level.
Any AA player could have make it to the majors under such circunstances.
Correct, which is why when comparing players of different eras, it's better to look a players deviation from league averages at the time, rather than raw numbers. This makes Ruth look even better.
Pure skill and the development of the game is different, which I think you're trying to show. In that regards, yes, Ruth may suffer today, but maybe not.
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these fag.gots today and their "pitch counts" and "quality starts", pussies today go 6 innings and throw 99 pitches and they're looking to the dugout to be taken out, prior to the 1980's pitchers just assumed theyd be going the full 9 innings unless something catastrophic happened.
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LoL , you see a pretty and cute guy, I see an NFL legend that works hard, plays tuff, and will be a first Ballet Hall of famer.
Thread is about who is Bette then Aaron Rogers not who is better looking, but I'd u wanna go there please tell us Groink who is the sexiest QB in the NFL?
It's Tom Brady now fuck off. No one comes close.....oops :-X
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these fag.gots today and their "pitch counts" and "quality starts", pussies today go 6 innings and throw 99 pitches and they're looking to the dugout to be taken out, prior to the 1980's pitchers just assumed theyd be going the full 9 innings unless something catastrophic happened.
That argument hurts Ruth. He got to face a pitcher who didn't have it on any certain day 4-5 times, and never had to face specialty relievers with arsenals of different pitches.
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That argument hurts Ruth. He got to face a pitcher who didn't have it on any certain day 4-5 times, and never had to face specialty relievers with arsenals of different pitches.
hed have still smashed these clowns to bits, hes the greatest hittng talent ever, no question about it and he also won 100 games as a dominating pitcher before he was forced away from it.
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hed have still smashed these clowns to bits, hes the greatest hittng talent ever, no question about it and he also won 100 games as a dominating pitcher before he was forced away from it.
He may be, but it's not a slam dunk argument.
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No
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LOL @ Babe Ruth or any oompa loompa white being the greatest when the NEGRO wasn't playing...
A fucking joke really and not even argueable....
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LOL @ Babe Ruth or any oompa loompa white being the greatest when the NEGRO wasn't playing...
A fucking joke really and not even argueable....
speaking of Oompa Loompa's.
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mickey Mantle could have been the greatest ever, if not for his knee and major drinking problem.
they said he had the speed of a black player before his injury.
and forarms like lee priest
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I recently went to the hall of fame and saw that A-ROD's name is at the top of almost every record in the game. I never really realized his name was so high up with the all time greats. However his lack of post season production really kills him.
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these fag.gots today and their "pitch counts" and "quality starts", pussies today go 6 innings and throw 99 pitches and they're looking to the dugout to be taken out, prior to the 1980's pitchers just assumed theyd be going the full 9 innings unless something catastrophic happened.
Exactly...now in the 7th inning of a tie game..instead of the hitter seeing a tiring pitcher for the fourth time....now he sees a lefty specialist ..fresh off the bench, brought in just to get HIM out
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Exactly...now in the 7th inning of a tie game..instead of the hitter seeing a tiring pitcher for the fourth time....now he sees a lefty specialist ..fresh off the bench, brought in just to get HIM out
that's why hitting 400 is out of the question,,,
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Correct, which is why when comparing players of different eras, it's better to look a players deviation from league averages at the time, rather than raw numbers. This makes Ruth look even better.
Pure skill and the development of the game is different, which I think you're trying to show. In that regards, yes, Ruth may suffer today, but maybe not.
Yes I was trying to say Ruth wouldn't suffer because there are guys today who are not real athletes per say. Agon is a perfect example of a guy who may be the slowest runner in the league. Looks like he never touched a weight in his life, but is a natural talent. I have little doubt that a guy like Babe Ruth would have been just as good today then yesteryear. Give Babe Ruth one day in a cage with a pitching machine throwing 100mph and he would have been able to get on top of any pitcher in the league today.
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He may be, but it's not a slam dunk argument.
Agreed.
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I recently went to the hall of fame and saw that A-ROD's name is at the top of almost every record in the game. I never really realized his name was so high up with the all time greats. However his lack of post season production really kills him.
His lack of postseason production is a myth, and media and fan generated.
In 16 postseason series, he's slugging .500 and has an OPS of .884. In 2009 he had one of the best post seasons in the history of the game sporting the following lines (avg/obp/slg/ops)
ALDS: .455/.500/1.000/1.500
ALCS: .429/.567/.952 /1.519
WS .250/.425 / .553 / .978
Included in those lines are 9th inning game tying and game winning homers of Nathan and Fuentes, and a huge HR of Hamels.
Arod brings plenty of heat on himself, and he's had a some crappy post season series (as have all players), but it's a myth that he can't/doesn't produce in the post season.
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His lack of postseason production is a myth, and media and fan generated.
In 16 postseason series, he's slugging .500 and has an OPS of .884. In 2009 he had one of the best post seasons in the history of the game sporting the following lines (avg/obp/slg/ops)
ALDS: .455/.500/1.000/1.500
ALCS: .429/.567/.952 /1.519
WS .250/.425 / .553 / .978
Included in those lines are 9th inning game tying and game winning homers of Nathan and Fuentes, and a huge HR of Hamels.
Arod brings plenty of heat on himself, and he's had a some crappy post season series (as have all players), but it's a myth that he can't/doesn't produce in the post season.
How much of those stats were compiled before he got to the Yankees? I think that is what hurts him.
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tom brady great player, as a man a fruitlloop.
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As for baseball, Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all time. I know this'll offend you baseball purists who preach nothing but Babe Ruth, but Bonds is THE greatest player to have ever played this game. Argue steroids all you want, but the pitchers were no doubt juicing as well. Ruth never had to face consistent 95+ mph pitches.
Yes
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As for baseball, Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all time. I know this'll offend you baseball purists who preach nothing but Babe Ruth, but Bonds is THE greatest player to have ever played this game. Argue steroids all you want, but the pitchers were no doubt juicing as well. Ruth never had to face consistent 95+ mph pitches.
Greatest quarterback? Toss-up between Manning and Brady, with Favre a very close second. The only reason I say Favre is due to his longetivity in the league, as he played in both the brutal days of little QB protection and today's pass-happy rules. Those that say Montana and Marino, I understand....but...Mont ana played on a virtual All-Star team. In those days, all but a few teams(with no salary cap) had absolutely no shot in getting to a Super Bowl. It was the same teams year in and year out that were good or bad. This is one of the reasons why the 49ers and Cowboys were so good for so long....so much amazing talent stacked. If Montana had played for the Rams, Lions, or Cardinals, he would've never sniffed the Super Bowl, if he even made the playoffs.
Today, ANY team can make it to the Super Bowl. Just in the last decade there were a handful of teams that made or won the Super Bowl for the first time in franchise history. There is much greater parity today than there ever was. Yes, the numbers are gaudy nowadays, but even bad teams can beat you on any given Sunday. Look at the Patriots. They are talked about year in and year as if they were some kind of NFL juggernaut, but yet they haven't won a playoff in game in 4 years. You still have to have a good team around you, and a QB alone isn't going to save you.
Ruth never faced negroes either. Fuck the babe ::)
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His lack of postseason production is a myth, and media and fan generated.
In 16 postseason series, he's slugging .500 and has an OPS of .884. In 2009 he had one of the best post seasons in the history of the game sporting the following lines (avg/obp/slg/ops)
ALDS: .455/.500/1.000/1.500
ALCS: .429/.567/.952 /1.519
WS .250/.425 / .553 / .978
Included in those lines are 9th inning game tying and game winning homers of Nathan and Fuentes, and a huge HR of Hamels.
Arod brings plenty of heat on himself, and he's had a some crappy post season series (as have all players), but it's a myth that he can't/doesn't produce in the post season.
what are his numbers with runners in scoring position? Dude never comes through
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Good article on the longest home runs ever hit. If we look at the home run derby at the allstar game today, you see ESPN announcers making a big deal of balls traveling 430 feet. And we all know that the athletes are bigger today and are allowed to used corked bats. However during the Ruth era, there are some balls that have traveled well into the high 400's. Were they using some kind of super ball back then? Ted Williams has a red seat at Fenway that marks a 502 foot home run. Not a made up number but video evidence of that home run exists. There has only been a couple of guys who could hit a ball 500 feet at an allstar home run derby over the years. That that's with special corked bats/steroids/possibly juiced up balls etc.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/feats/art_hr.shtml
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Ruth never faced negroes either. Fuck the babe ::)
good point but not the babe's fault, blame cap anson among others for this.
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Ruth never faced negroes either. Fuck the babe ::)
True. But negroes really just brought speed to the game. I don't think it would have effected his power numbers all that much.
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True. But negroes really just brought speed to the game. I don't think it would have effected his power numbers all that much.
What do you mean by speed?
We had the best agilty.
We were the fastest.
We were incredible hitters.
These are facts.
Had we had a fair shake then we would have had players better than ol' drunk tubby. It's not his Ruth's fault but his legend is exaggerated.
As we left the sport, so did the popularity. Look it up. There have even been meetings and news reports on how to get blacks back in Baseball...lol
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True. But negroes really just brought speed to the game. I don't think it would have effected his power numbers all that much.
There are some pretty good black pitchers if you haven't noticed.
The overall talent level of the league suffers when you exclude the most athletically talented race. It's not like the Ruth-era MLB was stacked with Latinos either.
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Ruth never faced negroes either. Fuck the babe ::)
actually its kinda talked about that babe was actually the first black player.
He had some black in him, that's why his mom abandoned him and sent him to an orphanage, other players would call him a ni@@er when he was at bat.
Just look at his nose
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Was Babe Ruth Black?
“Preposterous!” “Ridiculous!” “Outrageous!” These may be your knee-jerk reactions to what I’m about to hypothesize --- Babe Ruth may have had an African-American ancestry. I’ll begin by saying that my theory is based purely on speculation. I’ve done no DNA testing, no tissue or bone-marrow sampling, nor have I thoroughly researched Ruth’s genealogical background (I believe he was of Irish and German ancestry).
All I can personally offer in defense of my theory is the most basic of social sciences’ methodologies — observation. Yet I contend that “The Sultan of Swat,” “The Bambino,” the man who belted 60 home runs in 1927, and 714 overall (without the use of steroids, I might add), may have had an African-American lineage.
Now, you may ask, “On what do you base this off-the-wall premise?” My thinking is based pure and simply on a picture. More specifically, a photograph that I saw of Babe Ruth on page 15 of SI’s 2004 Commemorative World Series issue. It shows Ruth, wearing a Red Sox uniform, standing in front of what appears to be a dugout.
Well, as I looked at Ruth in that photo, my eyes were immediately drawn to his face. I was struck by his piercing brown (at least I believed they were brown) eyes and his slightly protruding ears. Yet, the part of "the Bambino's" face I was rivetted to was Ruth’s nose. Yes, his nose. More specifically, Ruth’s nasal structure. Not only is Ruth’s nose broad and large (flattened at the bridge), but it also has large nostrils. Anatomically, a nasal structure of that type is more consistent with and characteristic of a person of African-American heritage than say, a Caucasian person. I know what I am saying here is quite stereotypic. I fully admit that. And one could retort by saying: “Didn’t the Italo-American comedian Jimmy Durante have a huge proboscis?
You are likely aware that there are countless Caucasian (white) people who have Negro ancestry. In some cases, they may not even be aware of it. Case in point. There are many seemingly all-white Negro relatives of our third President: Thomas Jefferson. It has been established through DNA testing that Jefferson had relations with his prized Negro slave, Sally Hemming. And, that there was a child (or even children) produced by that relationship. Only in recent years have Jefferson’s ancestors learned that some of their kin are of African-American ancestry.
Further, Spike Lee, the film maker, was supposed to write an article in the May, 2001 edition of Gotham Magazine (I don’t believe it was ever written) alluding to the premise that Ruth was partly African-American. In the 1993 book, “Baseball Anecdotes,” by Daniel Okrent and Steve Wulf, the authors contend that Ruth did have Negro ancestry.
Further, the legendary Ty Cobb suspected that Ruth might have been of African heritage. It is reported that Cobb refused to share a Georia hunting lodge with Ruth, Cobb is reported to have said, "I've never bedded down with a n----- and I'm not going to start now." Yet, I might add that after their retirements, Cobb and Ruth went on to become good friends.
Getting back to Spike Lee, he tells the story that his father, a big baseball fan, once told him that Babe Ruth had “some of the ‘tar brush’ in him.” In reality we may never know. They’d have to exhume Ruth’s body to do DNA testing to conclusively determine Ruth’s racial heritage. A highly unlikely event. To further corroboate that point, it's reported that Hall of Famer Hank Aaron once said, “They’re not going to dig up the Babe. They don’t want that revealed, that there could have been an ounce of black blood in him.”
As I recall, Barry Bonds made a big deal of hitting his 715th career home run back in May, 2006. I believe he made some reference to moving ahead of baseball's “White Icon” (my expression) in round-trippers. Come to think of it, wouldn’t it be ironic if we and Bonds found out that Ruth wasn’t totally white, after all.
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actually its kinda proven that babe was actually the first black player.
He was half black, thats why his mom abondoned him and sent him to an orphanage, other players would call him a ni@@er when he was at bat.
Just look at his nose
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Was Babe Ruth Black?
“Preposterous!” “Ridiculous!” “Outrageous!” These may be your knee-jerk reactions to what I’m about to hypothesize --- Babe Ruth may have had an African-American ancestry. I’ll begin by saying that my theory is based purely on speculation. I’ve done no DNA testing, no tissue or bone-marrow sampling, nor have I thoroughly researched Ruth’s genealogical background (I believe he was of Irish and German ancestry).
All I can personally offer in defense of my theory is the most basic of social sciences’ methodologies — observation. Yet I contend that “The Sultan of Swat,” “The Bambino,” the man who belted 60 home runs in 1927, and 714 overall (without the use of steroids, I might add), may have had an African-American lineage.
Now, you may ask, “On what do you base this off-the-wall premise?” My thinking is based pure and simply on a picture. More specifically, a photograph that I saw of Babe Ruth on page 15 of SI’s 2004 Commemorative World Series issue. It shows Ruth, wearing a Red Sox uniform, standing in front of what appears to be a dugout.
Well, as I looked at Ruth in that photo, my eyes were immediately drawn to his face. I was struck by his piercing brown (at least I believed they were brown) eyes and his slightly protruding ears. Yet, the part of "the Bambino's" face I was rivetted to was Ruth’s nose. Yes, his nose. More specifically, Ruth’s nasal structure. Not only is Ruth’s nose broad and large (flattened at the bridge), but it also has large nostrils. Anatomically, a nasal structure of that type is more consistent with and characteristic of a person of African-American heritage than say, a Caucasian person. I know what I am saying here is quite stereotypic. I fully admit that. And one could retort by saying: “Didn’t the Italo-American comedian Jimmy Durante have a huge proboscis?
You are likely aware that there are countless Caucasian (white) people who have Negro ancestry. In some cases, they may not even be aware of it. Case in point. There are many seemingly all-white Negro relatives of our third President: Thomas Jefferson. It has been established through DNA testing that Jefferson had relations with his prized Negro slave, Sally Hemming. And, that there was a child (or even children) produced by that relationship. Only in recent years have Jefferson’s ancestors learned that some of their kin are of African-American ancestry.
Further, Spike Lee, the film maker, was supposed to write an article in the May, 2001 edition of Gotham Magazine (I don’t believe it was ever written) alluding to the premise that Ruth was partly African-American. In the 1993 book, “Baseball Anecdotes,” by Daniel Okrent and Steve Wulf, the authors contend that Ruth did have Negro ancestry.
Further, the legendary Ty Cobb suspected that Ruth might have been of African heritage. It is reported that Cobb refused to share a Georia hunting lodge with Ruth, Cobb is reported to have said, "I've never bedded down with a n----- and I'm not going to start now." Yet, I might add that after their retirements, Cobb and Ruth went on to become good friends.
Getting back to Spike Lee, he tells the story that his father, a big baseball fan, once told him that Babe Ruth had “some of the ‘tar brush’ in him.” In reality we may never know. They’d have to exhume Ruth’s body to do DNA testing to conclusively determine Ruth’s racial heritage. A highly unlikely event. To further corroboate that point, it's reported that Hall of Famer Hank Aaron once said, “They’re not going to dig up the Babe. They don’t want that revealed, that there could have been an ounce of black blood in him.”
As I recall, Barry Bonds made a big deal of hitting his 715th career home run back in May, 2006. I believe he made some reference to moving ahead of baseball's “White Icon” (my expression) in round-trippers. Come to think of it, wouldn’t it be ironic if we and Bonds found out that Ruth wasn’t totally white, after all.
That shit would be so funny good ol boys would never recover.
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There are some pretty good black pitchers if you haven't noticed.
The overall talent level of the league suffers when you exclude the most athletically talented race. It's not like the Ruth-era MLB was stacked with Latinos either.
True. But there's no evidence that Ruth's power numbers would have suffered if he faced Blacks or Latino's.
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That shit would be so funny good ol boys would never recover.
lolz
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Snoman do you think if this was the 1920s they'd try and pass Derek Jeter off as a white? He's passable.
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True. But there's no evidence that Ruth's power numbers would have suffered if he faced Blacks or Latino's.
He never played against them so of course there's no evidence. If you replace the worst white pitchers with the best blacks and latinos then everyone's batting numbers would suffer.
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Did you guys know Babe had a VERY good relationship with Negroes. Dude would routinely play against Negro League players.
If dude was black, I can certainly understad why he was a drunk.
I can only imagine the things said about blacks then in his presence and he had to hide his feelings. :-X :-X :-X
BTW I types Babe Ruth being black in Google and came back with 2,400,000 results...lol
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How much of those stats were compiled before he got to the Yankees? I think that is what hurts him.
I get the point that he's had some high profile stinkers while in NY, but he's also had some great ones. It's just perception.
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what are his numbers with runners in scoring position? Dude never comes through
If you're getting into "clutch", 2009 may have been the most "clutch" ever, from start to finish.
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Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time ....its not even close.
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pitchers arent throwing any faste today than they ever have, Bob Feller was throwing 103 mph. in the 1940's and no one does that today, Ruth would be knocking the cover off the ball on these little 5 inning throwing bitches today.
Let me put it this way, in 1980 (50 years after Baby Ruth era) the average of pitchers throwing over 95+ was like one per each team...some teams didnt even have a pitcher in staff throwing over 90-92 mph ...(and thats 50 long years after Ruth) today, you have like 5 pitchers on each rotation throwing 90 +...
And forget about velocity, Guys like Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez would have had the time of their lives against Babe Ruth ,striking out the Bambino with a different pitch every single time...with the type of comand and repertory this guy had and to be taken out of the game around 8th inning just so Baby Ruth could face a fresh new pitcher throwing over 90 mph ? really?? Ruth would have been hitting 20 to 25 Hrs and sent home by age 30....
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hed have still smashed these clowns to bits, hes the greatest hittng talent ever, no question about it and he also won 100 games as a dominating pitcher before he was forced away from it.
Probably the greatest talented hitter was Manny Ramirez I had the chance to see him at a batting cage machine throwing 90+ and he would hit 25 straight to the left and then 25 straight to the right like if he was a machine himself...and ive seen a lot of baseball talent the past 25 plus years.
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Probably the greatest talented hitter was Manny Ramirez I had the chance to see him at a batting cage machine throwing 90+ and he would hit 25 straight to the left and then 25 straight to the right like if he was a machine himself...and ive seen a lot of baseball talent the past 25 plus years.
Manny's probably a top 5-10 right handed hitter, but I don't think there's any way to prove the statement he was the most talented.
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Let me put it this way, in 1980 (50 years after Baby Ruth era) the average of pitchers throwing over 95+ was like one per each team...some teams didnt even have a pitcher in staff throwing over 90-92 mph ...(and thats 50 long years after Ruth) today, you have like 5 pitchers on each rotation throwing 90 +...
And forget about velocity, Guys like Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez would have had the time of their lives against Babe Ruth ,striking out the Bambino with a different pitch every single time...with the type of comand and repertory this guy had and to be taken out of the game around 8th inning just so Baby Ruth could face a fresh new pitcher throwing over 90 mph ? really?? Ruth would have been hitting 20 to 25 Hrs and sent home by age 30....
I completely agree with you on the progression of the game, but you have no way of proving how Ruth would fare against today's pitching. I can see no tangible evaluation how you could even remotely prove that Maddux would dominate Ruth.
As stated, all we can do is look at how Ruth fared against the league averages of his era, and he completely destroyed them. Anything else is just speculation and guessing.
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Greatest Hitter.... Charlie Hustle
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Manny's probably a top 5-10 right handed hitter, but I don't think there's any way to prove the statement he was the most talented.
Manny and Bonds (as much as i can't stand them) could read a pitch coming their way like no one ever had or ever will ...
One thing is to have eye-hand cordination and extreme power ...
Is hard to explain, but they could see a pitch coming out of pitcher's hand and : 1- see if it was hitable, 2-see if hitable or not they could still hit it, and 3- they could get the ball in fair territory.
That's why you could see Manny on a 3-0 count go to 3 and 2 and hit 4 straight foul balls on really lousy pitch instead of being walked,just to later hit it out of the park. that my friend is unique talent.
I have talked with coaches from dif eras and they all agree on this.
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I completely agree with you on the progression of the game, but you have no way of proving how Ruth would fare against today's pitching. I can see no tangible evaluation how you could even remotely prove that Maddux would dominate Ruth.
As stated, all we can do is look at how Ruth fared against the league averages of his era, and he completely destroyed them. Anything else is just speculation and guessing.
You have a point is all based on speculation but evolution too.
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Snoman do you think if this was the 1920s they'd try and pass Derek Jeter off as a white? He's passable.
they couldn't. derek jeter's hair shouts negro, eyes aren't enough. as far as ruth goes, who cares? i prefer jennifer beals and soloedad as members of the mutt cult.
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yeah b e a n e r s, we sure can have one blk parent and still be latino. idiots!
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Ok, right now, today...is Rodgers playing the position at the highest level we've seen since Montana left San Fran? And that includes the season Tommy went for 50.
Sure right now (tie), but the season is barely over the half way mark. They did a comparison of Rodger's stats right now compared to Brady's '07. Brady had 33 touchdowns by week 9 or 10, while Rodgers has 28. The other stats such as completion %, Int's etc... were almost identical. So...... someone has had a season that matches Rodgers, the only difference is that Brady played like that for the entire year, while we wait to see if Rodgers can keep this pace up.
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Probably the greatest talented hitter was Manny Ramirez I had the chance to see him at a batting cage machine throwing 90+ and he would hit 25 straight to the left and then 25 straight to the right like if he was a machine himself...and ive seen a lot of baseball talent the past 25 plus years.
Albert Pujols is a better hitter than Manny.
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What do you mean by speed?
We had the best agilty.
We were the fastest.
We were incredible hitters.
These are facts.
Had we had a fair shake then we would have had players better than ol' drunk tubby. It's not his Ruth's fault but his legend is exaggerated.
As we left the sport, so did the popularity. Look it up. There have even been meetings and news reports on how to get blacks back in Baseball...lol
stupid fu.cking guy, 714 home runs, 2213 RBI and most importantly a .342 lifetime average, which of your Nigerian, charcoal colored, big lipped, welfare recipient brethren put up those numbers?
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stupid fu.cking guy, 714 home runs, 2213 RBI and most importantly a .342 lifetime average, which of your Nigerian, charcoal colored, big lipped, welfare recipient brethren put up those numbers?
You're JNN's gimmick, correct?
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You're JNN's gimmick, correct?
no, i just cant stand fat nigg.ers like Wiggs who think that blacks are the be all end all of sports when if you look at every sport a White man dominates it, the only thing they dominate is the thugging up of sports.
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Did you guys know Babe had a VERY good relationship with Negroes. Dude would routinely play against Negro League players.
If dude was black, I can certainly understad why he was a drunk.
I can only imagine the things said about blacks then in his presence and he had to hide his feelings. :-X :-X :-X
BTW I types Babe Ruth being black in Google and came back with 2,400,000 results...lol
Wasn't President Lincoln also supposedly black? Ruth's nose width is suspect for a white guy.lolz
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mickey Mantle could have been the greatest ever, if not for his knee and major drinking problem.
they said he had the speed of a black player before his injury.
and forarms like lee priest
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Probably the best "athlete" the major leagues has ever seen. what other guys could hit a ball 600 feet and run to first base in 3 seconds flat
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mick was one of the first players to start experimenting with synthetic testosterone IMO. BTW this is an awesome movie
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NO way in hell A ROD is even in the top 5 of all time..althoguh he has great number HE CHOKES during playoffs..hes been choking for more than 12 years..Great ones do not choke they rise to the ocassion..
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NO way in hell A ROD is even in the top 5 of all time..althoguh he has great number HE CHOKES during playoffs..hes been choking for more than 12 years..Great ones do not choke they rise to the ocassion..
MYTH. And the "great ones" fail in the playoffs more often than you think.
His lack of postseason production is a myth, and media and fan generated.
In 16 postseason series, he's slugging .500 and has an OPS of .884. In 2009 he had one of the best post seasons in the history of the game sporting the following lines (avg/obp/slg/ops)
ALDS: .455/.500/1.000/1.500
ALCS: .429/.567/.952 /1.519
WS .250/.425 / .553 / .978
Included in those lines are 9th inning game tying and game winning homers of Nathan and Fuentes, and a huge HR of Hamels.
Arod brings plenty of heat on himself, and he's had a some crappy post season series (as have all players), but it's a myth that he can't/doesn't produce in the post season.
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Probably the greatest talented hitter was Manny Ramirez I had the chance to see him at a batting cage machine throwing 90+ and he would hit 25 straight to the left and then 25 straight to the right like if he was a machine himself...and ive seen a lot of baseball talent the past 25 plus years.
He was also notorious for setting up pitchers. One of the best two strike hitters ever. He would swing at a pitch and miss on purpose just to set the pitcher up. No fear at all of any pitcher. Awesome!
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Let me put it this way, in 1980 (50 years after Baby Ruth era) the average of pitchers throwing over 95+ was like one per each team...some teams didnt even have a pitcher in staff throwing over 90-92 mph ...(and thats 50 long years after Ruth) today, you have like 5 pitchers on each rotation throwing 90 +...
And forget about velocity, Guys like Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez would have had the time of their lives against Babe Ruth ,striking out the Bambino with a different pitch every single time...with the type of comand and repertory this guy had and to be taken out of the game around 8th inning just so Baby Ruth could face a fresh new pitcher throwing over 90 mph ? really?? Ruth would have been hitting 20 to 25 Hrs and sent home by age 30....
Well then the same could be said for Ted Williams. However it just doesn't pass the eye test. Ted Williams would have racked off any pitcher. He like Ruth were natural talents. There are many natural talents in the game today. AGON, Joey Votto to name a couple. Hell take a look at Ken Griffey Jr. at 19 years old. He had no problem hitting major league pitching. But there's no way a 19 year old Ken Griffey Jr. was more talented "hitting wise" than Ruth or Williams. The progression of the game of baseball isn't so far advance that yesteryears mega stars wouldn't be able to plug into today's system. Natural ability players would adapt no problem. Put Williams in a batting cage with the machine throwing 100 mph and he would be on top of the pitch within 20 minutes. And that's a fact!
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lolz
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MYTH. And the "great ones" fail in the playoffs more often than you think.
bullshit.
take a look at Mickey Mantle's, Di Maggio's ,Ted Williams, Pujol's stats during world series and playoff.
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What do you mean by speed?
We had the best agilty.
We were the fastest.
We were incredible hitters.
These are facts.
Had we had a fair shake then we would have had players better than ol' drunk tubby. It's not his Ruth's fault but his legend is exaggerated.
As we left the sport, so did the popularity. Look it up. There have even been meetings and news reports on how to get blacks back in Baseball...lol
What do you mean by "we"? I never saw your black ass out there playing in the MLB. lol
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mickey Mantle could have been the greatest ever, if not for his knee and major drinking problem.
they said he had the speed of a black player before his injury.
and forarms like lee priest
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Where all the black and Latin players in the Negro Leagues during his day, or was he playing in an all white league like some of the so-called NBA greats? Anyway, I doubt he was a better athlete than Ricky Henderson or Deion Sanders, definitely couldn't motor from Home - 1st with the likes of Deion in his prime. I'm assuming he was the best among fat guys with his overall career numbers.
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Where all the black and Latin players in the Negro Leagues during his day, or was he playing in an all white league like some of the so-called NBA greats? Anyway, I doubt he was a better athlete than Ricky Henderson or Deion Sanders, definitely couldn't motor from Home - 1st with the likes of Deion in his prime. I'm assuming he was the best among fat guys with his overall career numbers.
fucking moron, to this day Mickey mantle has the fastest timed run from home plate to first base, speed is what he was known for at the beginning of his career, some of you have been so hypnotized by the Jew media feeding you the "superior black speed and athleticism" bullshit that you just automatically accept it as fact.
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Isn't this supposed to be a football thread?
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bullshit.
take a look at Mickey Mantle's, Di Maggio's ,Ted Williams, Pujol's stats during world series and playoff.
Glad you brought this up. First of all, poor choice picking Williams to make your point. Everyone who follows baseball knows he only got to the post season once, and stunk during it. But, we can still have fun with numbers - I will show you his line OBP/SLG/OPS for that series:
.333/.200/.533 Putrid. Especially when you compare it to his career average of an insanely good .482/.634/1.116 It's a great expample to show how baseball works - great players can stink in small samples, and poor players can appear to be heroes. As the sample size increases, players gravitate towards their norms, which Williams most certainly would have.
DiMaggio was another poor choice, since he posted a post season line of .338/.422/.760 w which are pretty much league average numbers and pale in comparison to his outstanding career norms of .398/.579/.977 It also include a horribles 2-18 performace in the 47 WS, as well as other poor WS.
Mantle fared better, with a very good .374/.535/.908. His OPS is still 69 points under his career average of .977
Puljos has played in the most postseason series out of the others (15) and, his totals are pretty much the same as......his career totals. See how it works as the sample increases?
ARod's postseason, again is .338/.496/.884 which includes the greatest three series performance in MLB hisotry. The whole chokey thing is a MYTH.
Great players will have great series, and great players will have horrible series. It's how baseball works.
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lol.@ you must be a Yankees fan...anyways A-ROD is the worst player in history duirng playoffs...year after year after year he shows he cant perform under pressure....facts are out there...
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lol.@ you must be a Yankees fan...anyways A-ROD is the worst player in history duirng playoffs...year after year after year he shows he cant perform under pressure....facts are out there...
You must either be trolling or just completely not comprehending what I'm showing you. You're right - the fact are out there - they're called statistics, and they show you're wrong. Re-read my posts - it's all there - facts that are not arguable. You were proven completely wrong about Williams, Dimaggio, and ARod. You fell for the common perception, a perception that's easily refutable by looking at real data.
And, for the record, I am a Yankees fan, and I've always disliked Arod. But numbers are numbers.