Is A-Rod the greatest of all-time?

[Wiggs]

actually its kinda proven that babe was actually the first black player.

He was half black, thats why his mom abondoned him and sent him to an orphanage, other players would call him a ni@@er when he was at bat.

Just look at his nose








Was Babe Ruth Black?

    “Preposterous!” “Ridiculous!” “Outrageous!” These may be your knee-jerk reactions to what I’m about to hypothesize --- Babe Ruth may have had an African-American ancestry. I’ll begin by saying that my theory is based purely on speculation. I’ve done no DNA testing, no tissue or bone-marrow sampling, nor have I thoroughly researched Ruth’s genealogical background (I believe he was of Irish and German ancestry).

    All I can personally offer in defense of my theory is the most basic of social sciences’ methodologies — observation. Yet I contend that “The Sultan of Swat,” “The Bambino,” the man who belted 60 home runs in 1927, and 714 overall (without the use of steroids, I might add), may have had an African-American lineage.

    Now, you may ask, “On what do you base this off-the-wall premise?” My thinking is based pure and simply on a picture. More specifically, a photograph that I saw of Babe Ruth on page 15 of SI’s 2004 Commemorative World Series issue. It shows Ruth, wearing a Red Sox uniform, standing in front of what appears to be a dugout.

    Well, as I looked at Ruth in that photo, my eyes were immediately drawn to his face. I was struck by his piercing brown (at least I believed they were brown) eyes and his slightly protruding ears. Yet, the part of "the Bambino's" face I was rivetted to was Ruth’s nose. Yes, his nose. More specifically, Ruth’s nasal structure. Not only is Ruth’s nose broad and large (flattened at the bridge), but it also has large nostrils. Anatomically, a nasal structure of that type is more consistent with and characteristic of a person of African-American heritage than say, a Caucasian person. I know what I am saying here is quite stereotypic. I fully admit that. And one could retort by saying: “Didn’t the Italo-American comedian Jimmy Durante have a huge proboscis?

    You are likely aware that there are countless Caucasian (white) people who have Negro ancestry. In some cases, they may not even be aware of it. Case in point. There are many seemingly all-white Negro relatives of our third President: Thomas Jefferson. It has been established through DNA testing that Jefferson had relations with his prized Negro slave, Sally Hemming. And, that there was a child (or even children) produced by that relationship. Only in recent years have Jefferson’s ancestors learned that some of their kin are of African-American ancestry.

    Further, Spike Lee, the film maker, was supposed to write an article in the May, 2001 edition of Gotham Magazine (I don’t believe it was ever written) alluding to the premise that Ruth was partly African-American. In the 1993 book, “Baseball Anecdotes,” by Daniel Okrent and Steve Wulf, the authors contend that Ruth did have Negro ancestry.

    Further, the legendary Ty Cobb suspected that Ruth might have been of African heritage. It is reported that Cobb refused to share a Georia hunting lodge with Ruth, Cobb is reported to have said, "I've never bedded down with a n----- and I'm not going to start now." Yet, I might add that after their retirements, Cobb and Ruth went on to become good friends.

    Getting back to Spike Lee, he tells the story that his father, a big baseball fan, once told him that Babe Ruth had “some of the ‘tar brush’ in him.” In reality we may never know. They’d have to exhume Ruth’s body to do DNA testing to conclusively determine Ruth’s racial heritage. A highly unlikely event. To further corroboate that point, it's reported that Hall of Famer Hank Aaron once said, “They’re not going to dig up the Babe. They don’t want that revealed, that there could have been an ounce of black blood in him.”

    As I recall, Barry Bonds made a big deal of hitting his 715th career home run back in May, 2006. I believe he made some reference to moving ahead of baseball's “White Icon” (my expression) in round-trippers. Come to think of it, wouldn’t it be ironic if we and Bonds found out that Ruth wasn’t totally white, after all.

That shit would be so funny good ol boys would never recover.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

There are some pretty good black pitchers if you haven't noticed.

The overall talent level of the league suffers when you exclude the most athletically talented race.  It's not like the Ruth-era MLB was stacked with Latinos either.

True. But there's no evidence that Ruth's power numbers would have suffered if he faced Blacks or Latino's.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

That shit would be so funny good ol boys would never recover.

lolz

[Wiggs]

Snoman do you think if this was the 1920s they'd try and pass Derek Jeter off as a white?  He's passable.

[Hulkotron]

True. But there's no evidence that Ruth's power numbers would have suffered if he faced Blacks or Latino's.

He never played against them so of course there's no evidence.  If you replace the worst white pitchers with the best blacks and latinos then everyone's batting numbers would suffer.

[Wiggs]

Did you guys know Babe had a VERY good relationship with Negroes.  Dude would routinely play against Negro League players.
If dude was black, I can certainly understad why he was a drunk.

I can only imagine the things said about blacks then in his presence and he had to hide his feelings.

BTW I types Babe Ruth being black in Google and came back with 2,400,000 results...lol

[Grape Ape]

How much of those stats were compiled before he got to the Yankees?  I think that is what hurts him.

I get the point that he's had some high profile stinkers while in NY, but he's also had some great ones.  It's just perception.

[Grape Ape]

what are his numbers with runners in scoring position? Dude never comes through

If you're getting into "clutch", 2009 may have been the most "clutch" ever, from start to finish.

[jaejonna]

Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time ....its not even close.

[hipolito mejia]

pitchers arent throwing any faste today than they ever have, Bob Feller was throwing 103 mph. in the 1940's and no one does that today, Ruth would be knocking the cover off the ball on these little 5 inning throwing bitches today.

Let me put it this way, in 1980 (50 years after Baby Ruth era) the average of pitchers throwing over 95+ was like one per each team...some teams didnt even have a pitcher in staff throwing over 90-92 mph ...(and thats 50 long years after Ruth)  today, you have like 5 pitchers on each rotation throwing 90 +...

And forget about velocity, Guys like Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez would have had the time of their lives against Babe Ruth ,striking out the Bambino with a different pitch every single time...with the type of comand and repertory this guy had and to be taken out of the game around 8th inning  just so Baby Ruth could face a fresh new pitcher throwing over 90 mph ?  really??  Ruth would have been hitting 20 to 25 Hrs and sent home by age 30....

[hipolito mejia]

hed have still smashed these clowns to bits, hes the greatest hittng talent ever, no question about it and he also won 100 games as a dominating pitcher before he was forced away from it.

Probably the greatest talented hitter was Manny Ramirez  I had the chance to see him at a batting cage machine throwing 90+ and he would hit 25 straight to the left and then 25 straight to the right like if he was a machine himself...and ive seen a lot of baseball talent the past 25 plus years.

[Grape Ape]

Probably the greatest talented hitter was Manny Ramirez  I had the chance to see him at a batting cage machine throwing 90+ and he would hit 25 straight to the left and then 25 straight to the right like if he was a machine himself...and ive seen a lot of baseball talent the past 25 plus years.

Manny's probably a top 5-10 right handed hitter, but I don't think there's any way to prove the statement he was the most talented.

[Grape Ape]

Let me put it this way, in 1980 (50 years after Baby Ruth era) the average of pitchers throwing over 95+ was like one per each team...some teams didnt even have a pitcher in staff throwing over 90-92 mph ...(and thats 50 long years after Ruth)  today, you have like 5 pitchers on each rotation throwing 90 +...

And forget about velocity, Guys like Greg Maddux and Pedro Martinez would have had the time of their lives against Babe Ruth ,striking out the Bambino with a different pitch every single time...with the type of comand and repertory this guy had and to be taken out of the game around 8th inning  just so Baby Ruth could face a fresh new pitcher throwing over 90 mph ?  really??  Ruth would have been hitting 20 to 25 Hrs and sent home by age 30....

I completely agree with you on the progression of the game, but you have no way of proving how Ruth would fare against today's pitching.  I can see no tangible evaluation how you could even remotely prove that Maddux would dominate Ruth.

 As stated, all we can do is look at how Ruth fared against the league averages of his era, and he completely destroyed them.  Anything else is just speculation and guessing.

[Nails]

Greatest Hitter.... Charlie Hustle

[hipolito mejia]

Manny's probably a top 5-10 right handed hitter, but I don't think there's any way to prove the statement he was the most talented.

Manny and Bonds (as much as i can't stand them) could read a pitch coming their way like no one ever had or ever will ...

One thing is to have eye-hand cordination and extreme power ...

Is hard to explain,  but they could see a pitch coming out of pitcher's hand and : 1- see if it was hitable, 2-see if hitable or not they could still hit it, and 3-  they could get the ball in fair territory.

That's why you could see Manny on a 3-0 count go to 3 and 2 and hit 4 straight foul balls on really lousy pitch instead of being walked,just to later hit it out of the park.  that my friend is unique talent.

I have talked with coaches from dif eras and they all agree on this.

[hipolito mejia]

I completely agree with you on the progression of the game, but you have no way of proving how Ruth would fare against today's pitching.  I can see no tangible evaluation how you could even remotely prove that Maddux would dominate Ruth.

 As stated, all we can do is look at how Ruth fared against the league averages of his era, and he completely destroyed them.  Anything else is just speculation and guessing.

You have a point is  all based on speculation but evolution too.

[G_Thang]

Snoman do you think if this was the 1920s they'd try and pass Derek Jeter off as a white?  He's passable.

they couldn't.  derek jeter's hair shouts negro, eyes aren't enough.  as far as ruth goes, who cares?  i prefer jennifer beals and soloedad as members of the mutt cult.






yeah b e a n e r s, we sure can have one blk parent and still be latino.  idiots!  

[King Shizzo]

Ok, right now, today...is Rodgers playing the position at the highest level we've seen since Montana left San Fran?  And that includes the season Tommy went for 50.

Sure right now (tie), but the season is barely over the half way mark.  They did a comparison of Rodger's stats right now compared to Brady's '07.  Brady had 33 touchdowns by week 9 or 10, while Rodgers has 28.  The other stats such as completion %, Int's etc... were almost identical.  So...... someone has had a season that matches Rodgers, the only difference is that Brady played like that for the entire year, while we wait to see if Rodgers can keep this pace up.

[King Shizzo]

Probably the greatest talented hitter was Manny Ramirez  I had the chance to see him at a batting cage machine throwing 90+ and he would hit 25 straight to the left and then 25 straight to the right like if he was a machine himself...and ive seen a lot of baseball talent the past 25 plus years.

Albert Pujols is a better hitter than Manny.

[Salvatore Martinez]

What do you mean by speed?
We had the best agilty.
We were the fastest.
We were incredible hitters.

These are facts.
Had we had a fair shake then we would have had players better than ol' drunk tubby.  It's not his Ruth's fault but his legend is exaggerated.
As we left the sport, so did the popularity.  Look it up.  There have even been meetings and news reports on how to get blacks back in Baseball...lol

stupid fu.cking guy, 714 home runs, 2213 RBI and most importantly a .342 lifetime average, which of your Nigerian, charcoal colored, big lipped, welfare recipient brethren put up those numbers?

[seCrawler]

stupid fu.cking guy, 714 home runs, 2213 RBI and most importantly a .342 lifetime average, which of your Nigerian, charcoal colored, big lipped, welfare recipient brethren put up those numbers?

You're JNN's gimmick, correct?

[Salvatore Martinez]

You're JNN's gimmick, correct?

no, i just cant stand fat nigg.ers like Wiggs who think that blacks are the be all end all of sports when if you look at every sport a White man dominates it, the only thing they dominate is the thugging up of sports.

[The Abdominal Snoman]

Did you guys know Babe had a VERY good relationship with Negroes.  Dude would routinely play against Negro League players.
If dude was black, I can certainly understad why he was a drunk.

I can only imagine the things said about blacks then in his presence and he had to hide his feelings.

BTW I types Babe Ruth being black in Google and came back with 2,400,000 results...lol

Wasn't President Lincoln also supposedly black? Ruth's nose width is suspect for a white guy.lolz

[flinstones1]

mickey Mantle could have been the greatest ever, if not for his knee and major drinking problem.

they said he had the speed of a black player before his injury.

and forarms like lee priest

Probably the best "athlete" the major leagues has ever seen. what other guys could hit a ball 600 feet and run to first base in 3 seconds flat

[flinstones1]

mick was one of the first players to start experimenting with synthetic testosterone IMO. BTW this is an awesome movie