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its a tricep and front delt excercise - you dumb fucks
blind leading the blind....
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its a tricep and front delt excercise you dumb fucks
blind leading the blind....
your mom stinks
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then why are my pecs sore after doing them fuck stick?
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I prefer incline smith press and incline hammers.
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uuuhm... ok?
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then why are my pecs sore after doing them fuck stick?
Soreness doesn't indicate proper stimulation, dumbfuck. If you ran a marathon today, I bet you your legs would be extremely sore. Would they grow any muscle? Hell no.
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Soreness doesn't indicate proper stimulation, dumbfuck. If you ran a marathon today, I bet you your legs would be extremely sore. Would they grow any muscle? Hell no.
thats loser talk
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The primary muscle group targeted by the bench press is the pectoralis major. This is the muscle group that makes up the bulk of what we consider to be the chest. With modifications of the bench, either an incline or decline, you can also target the pectoralis minor, or lower pectorals, as well.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/104033-muscles-bench-press-workout/#ixzz1gRNXh2w1
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The primary muscle group targeted by the bench press is the pectoralis major. This is the muscle group that makes up the bulk of what we consider to be the chest. With modifications of the bench, either an incline or decline, you can also target the pectoralis minor, or lower pectorals, as well.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/104033-muscles-bench-press-workout/#ixzz1gRNXh2w1
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, do you?
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Bitch asshole fagggots
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The primary muscle group targeted by the bench press is the pectoralis major. This is the muscle group that makes up the bulk of what we consider to be the chest. With modifications of the bench, either an incline or decline, you can also target the pectoralis minor, or lower pectorals, as well.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/104033-muscles-bench-press-workout/#ixzz1gRNXh2w1
No.
The primary muscles used in the bench press (all variations) is the triceps with some front delt assistence and a tiny bit of chest involvement at the bottom, where the move somewhat mimics a flye movement. Your triceps will give out way before your chest was worked to failure in that tiny ROM anyways....
The function of the pecs is to bring the upper arm across the body, it isnt a fucking pressing movement.
Notice how EVERYONE in your gym benches and pretty much no one has decent pecs?
Most overated excercise there is and shoulder wrecker for many.
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interdesting
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It works for some though...... the genetic elite !!!
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No.
The primary muscles used in the bench press (all variations) is the triceps with some front delt assistence and a tiny bit of chest involvement at the bottom, where the move somewhat mimics a flye movement. Your triceps will give out way before your chest was worked to failure in that tiny ROM anyways....
The function of the pecs is to bring the upper arm across the body, it isnt a fucking pressing movement.
Notice how EVERYONE in your gym benches and pretty much no one has decent pecs?
Most overated excercise there is and shoulder wrecker for many.
What do you recommend for a typical chest workout?
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No.
The function of the pecs is to bring the upper arm across the body, it isnt a fucking pressing movement.
Notice how EVERYONE in your gym benches and pretty much no one has decent pecs?
What I notice in my gym is that the gym rats who do a bazillion cable crossovers have poorer pec development than the bench pressers.
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Dips > Decline Bench Press > Flat Bench Press > Incline Bench Press
Now you guys know.
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You forget this is a bodybuilding board. Yes, the bench is triceps, delts and of course LATS! HAHA, there was a great thread with people arguing about lat involvement in the bench press a while back. All the shitty magazines will tell you to exhaust with flys first if your press stagnates. ::)
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lol @ thinking flat bench works triceps harder than pecs. You can barely feel your triceps doing anything unless you do close grip. flat bench is a great chest builder in my experience
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You forget this is a bodybuilding board. Yes, the bench is triceps, delts and of course LATS! HAHA, there was a great thread with people arguing about lat involvement in the bench press a while back. All the shitty magazines will tell you to exhaust with flys first if your press stagnates. ::)
The real trick is to up the dosage.
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What do you recommend for a typical chest workout?
A "chest workout". Decline movements...flys...chest workout. Haha.
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The real trick is to up the dosage.
no,,, the secret lies in KIGTROPINA,,, <starts a random rant>
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lol @ thinking flat bench works triceps harder than pecs. You can barely feel your triceps doing anything unless you do close grip. flat bench is a great chest builder in my experience
Oilbag, the primary movers in the bench is the triceps. No point in arguing with bodybuilders.
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another balonie topic started, lots of hormona fellas, lots of hormona and ghona but only for experienced users! work hard stimulate the muscle leave ego behind the doors work hard feel the muscle work, contraction, control, intensity.. and here comes your 3d chestona
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your mom is my drug
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Benching is the best chest exercise.
Weights dips is a better exercise.
If I keep dipping but not benching my bench stays the same.
If I keep benching but not dipping my dips will maybe diminish slightly
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I have very strong feelings on this topic and am prepared to throw hands if necessary.
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no,,, the secret lies in KIGTROPINA,,, <starts a random rant>
for seperation and fulness widness thckness of the pecs yes,, it is all in the gh friend,, ofcourse genetic wil determine,, good arms = bad pecs,, bad to average arms = good pecs, someone who has both usualy go profesional
when it come to actual muscle speration it is ALL in the gh ,, everything to do with muscle seperation and extra fibers and tissue it gh dependen
bodybuild is 75% human growth hormone now day
gh15 approved
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for seperation and fulness widness thckness of the pecs yes,, it is all in the gh friend,, ofcourse genetic wil determine,, good arms = bad pecs,, bad to average arms = good pecs, someone who has both usualy go profesional
when it come to actual muscle speration it is ALL in the gh ,, everything to do with muscle seperation and extra fibers and tissue it gh dependen
bodybuild is 75% human growth hormone now day
gh15 approved
gh15: who is the biggest user of GH at the pro level today and what is his/her dosage?
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for seperation and fulness widness thckness of the pecs yes,, it is all in the gh friend,, ofcourse genetic wil determine,, good arms = bad pecs,, bad to average arms = good pecs, someone who has both usualy go profesional
gh15 approved
ABSOLUTELY true!! This must be universal rule.
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gh15: who is the biggest user of GH at the pro level today and what is his/her dosage?
steev kuckloklino
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Benching is the best chest exercise.
Weights dips is a better exercise.
If I keep dipping but not benching my bench stays the same.
If I keep benching but not dipping my dips will maybe diminish slightly
no,, hammer incline is best exercise for pecs to develop,, it is only exericse who wil get you over pllatue ,, it is the only exercise that will have size in the right place of the pecs ,, and ofcourse no gh and steroid ....forget about it you will have big pecs maybe but it wil be all sitting ina lump of a swamp call your estrogenic lymphatic system body,,
huge diff between fellas on hgh and fellas who are not,, seperation is name of game but even when you hav esepertion you still goign to have bad pecs if your arms are good and good pecs if your arms ar ebad,, moment you hav eboth ....you going far in bodybuild
gh15 approved
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gh15: who is the biggest user of GH at the pro level today and what is his/her dosage?
kai...not even close...look how he has grown from 06-10. From 220s stage ready to 270 stage ready...
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Bench press = horizontal plane movement = primary muscle worked = pectoralis major, now get this through your head
Close-grip bench press = sagittal plane movement -> primary muscle worked = triceps brachii
Machine flyes are the best exercise for pecs cause they eliminate movement in elbows
period
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I have very strong feelings on this topic and am prepared to throw hands if necessary.
:D
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gh15: who is the biggest user of GH at the pro level today and what is his/her dosage?
it all about same,, moment gh is not in blood give it maybe 2 week and eveerything fall on yuo like deck of card,, im tired of repeting this ,, it is the truth you never hear,,why? many reason
hgh work first second,, it change body first day ,, it change drasticly ,, if it doesnt then you are using bunk or a narcotic addict who drink his soul even then it wil do something in the fat department on low dose,,
hgh is EVERYTHING,, it is chase like diamond ,, bodybuild will do everything for gh this is why you see so many convict this is why you see them alys in problem with law,, it is not steroid it is the gh ,, and they will do anything for geting it ,,and problem is ...with gh you cant just get 3 kit and be done....you have to get the 3 kit and imidiatly think about another 3 kit and then another 3 ,, or buy 10 and then within 3 week think about another 10 for bodybuild go through them in 30-40 days ,, yes yes 30-40 days 10 kits,,some use less ofcourse but trust me whan i say ..the mind alwys work in the quantity of gh you can get,,
all the fella walking around 5'8 220 lol 5'10 220 all single digit true 6% you think its from steroid? lol all the 5'9 250 lol you think its from steroid? lol it is all gh upon gh upon gh ,, we are addict to gh ,, no one argue me because it is 100% the truth ,, what most do right now is sit next to computer and nodding their head ...fuck this mother fuck gh15 is so on the money its disgusting
gh15 approved
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its a tricep and front delt excercise you dumb fucks
blind leading the blind....
Pic of your family.....
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it all about same,, moment gh is not in blood give it maybe 2 week and eveerything fall on yuo like deck of card,, im tired of repeting this ,, it is the truth you never hear,,why? many reason
hgh work first second,, it change body first day ,, it change drasticly ,, if it doesnt then you are using bunk or a narcotic addict who drink his soul even then it wil do something in the fat department on low dose,,
hgh is EVERYTHING,, it is chase like diamond ,, bodybuild will do everything for gh this is why you see so many convict this is why you see them alys in problem with law,, it is not steroid it is the gh ,, and they will do anything for geting it ,,and problem is ...with gh you cant just get 3 kit and be done....you have to get the 3 kit and imidiatly think about another 3 kit and then another 3 ,, or buy 10 and then within 3 week think about another 10 for bodybuild go through them in 30-40 days ,, yes yes 30-40 days 10 kits,,some use less ofcourse but trust me whan i say ..the mind alwys work in the quantity of gh you can get,,
all the fella walking around 5'8 220 lol 5'10 220 all single digit true 6% you think its from steroid? lol all the 5'9 250 lol you think its from steroid? lol it is all gh upon gh upon gh ,, we are addict to gh ,, no one argue me because it is 100% the truth ,, what most do right now is sit next to computer and nodding their head ...fuck this mother fuck gh15 is so on the money its disgusting
gh15 approved
can I ask if you know of the longer term effects of gh administration?
(apart from gut/organ enlargement)
increased rates of cancer?
effects on the brain?
things like that
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it's so annoying when people try to act opinionated and buck conventional wisdom that has worked for bodybuilders for 50+ years.
the barbell bench press performed at shoulder-width apart hits primarily the chest if elbows are up. if elbows are down close to your torso triceps take over.
the end.
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can I ask if you know of the longer term effects of gh administration?
(apart from gut/organ enlargement)
increased rates of cancer?
effects on the brain?
things like that
gh doesnt causes gut,, it reduces it actualy,,it sculp your abdomianl in such way sin shrink wrap into physiqe,, all the fella arnold clal girly man..give them gh and sudenly after 30 day if not less they see the median lineof their abdomianls they see the ab lines fist time in their life running across tummy ,, they sit there see first vein ever in their tear drop they see vein in lower tummy first time evr,, they sit in mirror ,,kneel on one leg and bless me then run to pm and let me know how good i am ,, for what? for telling the truth? it is just how it is the truth.....you use legit hgh you have more igf ...girly man have low igf....thats why they cant fucking grow not testosterona but igf!! you give girly man hgh that make in liver to igf..and you make girly man into freako man and sudenly all whores smile touch and open legs ,,
gh15 approved
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;D
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for seperation and fulness widness thckness of the pecs yes,, it is all in the gh friend,, ofcourse genetic wil determine,, good arms = bad pecs,, bad to average arms = good pecs, someone who has both usualy go profesional
when it come to actual muscle speration it is ALL in the gh ,, everything to do with muscle seperation and extra fibers and tissue it gh dependen
bodybuild is 75% human growth hormone now day
gh15 approved
yeah... you need test, you need tren, as much GH as you can afford, dbol helps blah blah....but the point of the thread is benching for chest growth is like doing 2 inch ROM bicep curls (similar rom chest involvement in Bench press) and stopping when you had another 5 reps left (triceps fail before pecs.)
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No.
The primary muscles used in the bench press (all variations) is the triceps with some front delt assistence and a tiny bit of chest involvement at the bottom, where the move somewhat mimics a flye movement. Your triceps will give out way before your chest was worked to failure in that tiny ROM anyways....
The function of the pecs is to bring the upper arm across the body, it isnt a fucking pressing movement.
Notice how EVERYONE in your gym benches and pretty much no one has decent pecs?
Most overated excercise there is and shoulder wrecker for many.
That all depends on the structure and the arm length/chest size of the bencher. Bench press is not good for long armed people, its wrecks shoulders and makes front delts overgrown.
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Pic of your family.....
:D ;D
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yeah... you need test, you need tren, as much GH as you can afford, dbol helps blah blah....but the point of the thread is benching for chest growth is like doing 2 inch ROM bicep curls (similar rom chest involvement in Bench press) and stopping when you had another 5 reps left (triceps fail before pecs.)
Maybe you are just bad at benching bro.
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yeah... you need test, you need tren, as much GH as you can afford, dbol helps blah blah....but the point of the thread is benching for chest growth is like doing 2 inch ROM bicep curls (similar rom chest involvement in Bench press) and stopping when you had another 5 reps left (triceps fail before pecs.)
anab0lic you should post a pic maybe GH15 will critique your physique and help you out
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That all depends on the structure and the arm length/chest size of the bencher. Bench press is not good for long armed people, its wrecks shoulders and makes front delts overgrown.
yup, people with shoter arms will be able to overload the portion of the rep more where there is some chest involvmement, but even for guys with that structure bench press isnt optimal for pec growth.
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yup, people with shoter arms will be able to overload the portion of the rep more where there is some chest involvmement, but even for guys with that structure bench press isnt optimal for pec growth.
So yes, bench press is overrated. But the stigma behind it is misguided.
People with longer arms should steer away from it and stick to dumbells.
Short armed barrel chested lifters, go ape shit..
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anab0lic you should post a pic maybe GH15 will critique your physique and help you out
The only help he could give me would be a life time supply of pharma grade GH,,trenabolona,,,,testerona,,,,dbola :D
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for seperation and fulness widness thckness of the pecs yes,, it is all in the gh friend,, ofcourse genetic wil determine,, good arms = bad pecs,, bad to average arms = good pecs, someone who has both usualy go profesional
this is sort of familiar when you think about it. freaks like arnold and ronnie has them both in spades.
if i had to choose, i'd go chest anytime
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wide grip you noob. damn, you are wrong about everything
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I recall Chick The Bob said bp is useless... could be wrong though.... in Flex magazine.... many moons ago...
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I`ld hit that shit.
Marco ...............
........................ . Polo
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No.
The primary muscles used in the bench press (all variations) is the triceps with some front delt assistence and a tiny bit of chest involvement at the bottom, where the move somewhat mimics a flye movement. Your triceps will give out way before your chest was worked to failure in that tiny ROM anyways....
The function of the pecs is to bring the upper arm across the body, it isnt a fucking pressing movement.
Notice how EVERYONE in your gym benches and pretty much no one has decent pecs?
Most overated excercise there is and shoulder wrecker for many.
I agree. I'm 6'2" with long ass monkey arms, you gonna tell me flatbench is the number one chest exercise?
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I agree. I'm 6'2" with long ass monkey arms, you gonna tell me flatbench is the number one chest exercise?
Incline barbells will fuck your shit up even worse bro, stay away
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I agree. I'm 6'2" with long ass monkey arms, you gonna tell me flatbench is the number one chest exercise?
6'6 here, what's wrong with flat bench? Shoud do everything bb and db shock the muscle changing routines all the time incl bb incl db incl smith etc it's just ROM that's what has to be taken care of
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Ryan Kennelly and Gene Rychlak are both over 6' tall. Scott Mendelson is only 5'9" though.
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Tuck your shoulders down and in, pulling them towards your ass, which will create an arch in your lower back, as this will help to activate the pecs a bit better when you bench.
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Tuck your shoulders down and in, pulling them towards your ass, which will create an arch in your lower back, as this will help to activate the pecs a bit better when you bench.
^^^ yes, just not too much, not to create powerlifting position when lats getting involved too, but for unracking is ok though
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Incline barbells will fuck your shit up even worse bro, stay away
Seriously? Been lifting for 15yrs and about 3yrs into it, I hurt my shoulder benching. I switched to incline and have never had a problem. I do alternate bb with db every other week. Why would you say that? Serious question, not sarcasm
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6'6 here, what's wrong with flat bench? Shoud do everything bb and db shock the muscle changing routines all the time incl bb incl db incl smith etc it's just ROM that's what has to be taken care of
For me personally I felt it to much in my front delts. I also figured since upper chest seems the hardest to build, why not do incline first when I am strongest. Every once in a blue moon I will throw bench in at the end when I am already exhausted. And chest is def a strong bodypart for me, I have a huge ribcage. But that's just me. If you feel a good pump from doing flatbench who the fuck am I to say it doesnt work? We are all diff
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the pecs bring the arms across the body. thats what they do.
the tris extend them, the delts bring them forward.
so it makes sense that the portion of bench press that activates each range the most stimulates the muscle group with the most power during that portion, the most.
if the combined power from your tris and shoulders is greater than your pec through any part of the bench ROM then they do the work.
which is why most who have good arms have crappy pecs. and vice versa..crappy arms usually have reasonably good chest (its all relative to each other).
the only exercise that properly activates pecs only is machine or cable flyes, cos it replicates the exact anatomical purpose.
the reason why people dont grow on it is that it can prevent maximum stimulation of the pec cos you need to get that weight through mechanically disadvantageous angles first. The bench on the other hand can be gold for people who have enough strength to get a decent weight into the place in the ROM where the pecs work very hard.
and of course thats different for just about everybody.
just sayin.
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Anyroad, I still remember the day I first benched 100kg (220 lbs). Must have been somewhere in the 1930s... ;D
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Lern2bench. Bench is the best chest exercise there is for me, although it doesnt hit the inner/upper that well
pinch your shoulders together, lower the bar slowly to your lower pecs, pause for a second then blast it up.
most people have crappy chests because they max at 225 for a few crappy reps and never feel the muscle working.
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Lern2bench. Bench is the best chest exercise there is for me, although it doesnt hit the inner/upper that well
pinch your shoulders together, lower the bar slowly to your lower pecs, pause for a second then blast it up.
most people have crappy chests because they max at 225 for a few crappy reps and never feel the muscle working.
Yes x2, most people I see doing bench are using way too much weight with shitty form, ego lifting.
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I have very strong feelings on this topic and am prepared to throw hands if necessary.
BOOM!
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I get so tired of hearing people talk about how horrible the bench press is. At the end of the day the bench press is the most effective upper body pressing movement. Inclines or declines may or may not work the chest more for some people but the bench press is the king of the weight room for a good reason. This is another thing dante dont shut up about how bad the bench press is. Arnold and coleman seemed to think it was pretty good. Plus the bench has an endless variety of varations.
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it all about same,, moment gh is not in blood give it maybe 2 week and eveerything fall on yuo like deck of card,, im tired of repeting this ,, it is the truth you never hear,,why? many reason
hgh work first second,, it change body first day ,, it change drasticly ,, if it doesnt then you are using bunk or a narcotic addict who drink his soul even then it wil do something in the fat department on low dose,,
hgh is EVERYTHING,, it is chase like diamond ,, bodybuild will do everything for gh this is why you see so many convict this is why you see them alys in problem with law,, it is not steroid it is the gh ,, and they will do anything for geting it ,,and problem is ...with gh you cant just get 3 kit and be done....you have to get the 3 kit and imidiatly think about another 3 kit and then another 3 ,, or buy 10 and then within 3 week think about another 10 for bodybuild go through them in 30-40 days ,, yes yes 30-40 days 10 kits,,some use less ofcourse but trust me whan i say ..the mind alwys work in the quantity of gh you can get,,
all the fella walking around 5'8 220 lol 5'10 220 all single digit true 6% you think its from steroid? lol all the 5'9 250 lol you think its from steroid? lol it is all gh upon gh upon gh ,, we are addict to gh ,, no one argue me because it is 100% the truth ,, what most do right now is sit next to computer and nodding their head ...fuck this mother fuck gh15 is so on the money its disgusting
gh15 approved
lol ;D ;D:)
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gh doesnt causes gut,, it reduces it actualy,,it sculp your abdomianl in such way sin shrink wrap into physiqe,, all the fella arnold clal girly man..give them gh and sudenly after 30 day if not less they see the median lineof their abdomianls they see the ab lines fist time in their life running across tummy ,, they sit there see first vein ever in their tear drop they see vein in lower tummy first time evr,, they sit in mirror ,,kneel on one leg and bless me then run to pm and let me know how good i am ,, for what? for telling the truth? it is just how it is the truth.....you use legit hgh you have more igf ...girly man have low igf....thats why they cant fucking grow not testosterona but igf!! you give girly man hgh that make in liver to igf..and you make girly man into freako man and sudenly all whores smile touch and open legs ,,
gh15 approved
lolz. Awesome classic GH15 post...
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Couple of things i've seen/heard over the years in the gym about people who don't bench.
1. Is they are embarrassed to bench because they have always had a horrible bench press so they swear up and down about all the other exericises that are better than the bench. These same guys talk about what they "USE" to bench years ago before giving it up.(see Bob Chick ;D)
2. Big dude who once had a strong bench but now has injuries where he can't do what he once did so he found other exercise to use and tells the world he will never bench again.
3. Guys who only bench when they're ON cycle...Esp/anadrol guys. These guys will be lucky to get 315 for a couple reps on week 1. Only to be repping 365 for 5-8 reps by week 6. Then the crash comes and they don't bench for most of the year again. These are the same fella's who usually walk around with ILSyndrome.
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Seriously? Been lifting for 15yrs and about 3yrs into it, I hurt my shoulder benching. I switched to incline and have never had a problem. I do alternate bb with db every other week. Why would you say that? Serious question, not sarcasm
When I touch the bar to my chest, my forearms are so long that my humerus is waaaayy below parallel to the floor. That means my front delts are stretched to the fucking max when i'm bottomed out. On inclines, my humerus is even MORE below parallel and its more painful than flat bench- where your humerus isn't as below parallel.
I trained with this massive dude for a while who was a freak on the bench.. Tried keeping up with him on inclines for about a month (which was hopeless anyways) and paid bigtime. My long arms and ego were clearly not compatible lol and now I can barely do 225 for 10 before I have to rack the weight from the agony.
The more below parallel your humerus is at the bottom end, the worse the movement is for your rotators. My advice is to monkey arm trainers is if your going to bench, only go 3/4 of the way down so your upper arms arent below parallel.
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ABSOLUTELY true!! This must be universal rule.
JOJ good arms, Out of this world pecs.
Shawn Ray, good arms (could be bigger), great pecs.
Ronnie Coleman, great arms, big ass, thick motherfvcking pecs
Arnold, great arms, great pecs
Sergio, great arms, great pecs
Serge Nubret, great arms, great pecs
Lionel Beyeke, good arms, great pecs
Dex, good arms, good pecs
Larry Scott, good arms, good pecs
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Soreness doesn't indicate proper stimulation, dumbfuck. If you ran a marathon today, I bet you your legs would be extremely sore. Would they grow any muscle? Hell no.
interesting..
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Couple of things i've seen/heard over the years in the gym about people who don't bench.
1. Is they are embarrassed to bench because they have always had a horrible bench press so they swear up and down about all the other exericises that are better than the bench. These same guys talk about what they "USE" to bench years ago before giving it up.(see Bob Chick ;D)
2. Big dude who once had a strong bench but now has injuries where he can't do what he once did so he found other exercise to use and tells the world he will never bench again.
3. Guys who only bench when they're ON cycle...Esp/anadrol guys. These guys will be lucky to get 315 for a couple reps on week 1. Only to be repping 365 for 5-8 reps by week 6. Then the crash comes and they don't bench for most of the year again. These are the same fella's who usually walk around with ILSyndrome.
I don't do barbell bench press anymore from an injury... but I def do bench press with dumbbells...
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If you feel pain in your shoulders during flat bench, you're doing it wrong. I find elbow positioning is crucial, keep them tucked in at all times and don't let them flare out. Go slow on the eccentric and try to focus on leading with the elbows while keeping them tight.
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If you feel pain in your shoulders during flat bench, you're doing it wrong. I find elbow positioning is crucial, keep them tucked in at all times and don't let them flare out. Go slow on the eccentric and try to focus on leading with the elbows while keeping them tight.
100% spot on most dont stay tight enough or have thier shoulders in the bench hard enough. And by the way its possible to bench a lot with long arms if your tight and such the range of motion is still very short. The problems with dumbells is its not worth driving a 30 minutes to get to a gym that has 150lb dumbells. If you have access to to heavy dumbells great.
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100% spot on most dont stay tight enough or have thier shoulders in the bench hard enough. And by the way its possible to bench a lot with long arms if your tight and such the range of motion is still very short.
I have pretty long arms at 6'1. For years I felt it in the shoulders more, until I realized it was all in the hand spacing and elbow position. Took a while to correct, but I forced myself to relax and let the bar push my shoulderblades back before starting the lowering phase.
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All around shitty thread.
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I love how this thread got nothing but nobodies posting in it. Anyhow fuck bench pressing fucking hate the god dam thing. Always will dumbell press. My left shoulder is fucked, so I got a pretty big hatred for the fucking thing.
Benching and deadlifting are the only two things known to queers to be gayer than pillow biting.
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its a tricep and front delt excercise you dumb fucks
blind leading the blind....
Spoken like a guy who can't break 135 for 5. LOL, Tiny.
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Seriously? Been lifting for 15yrs and about 3yrs into it, I hurt my shoulder benching. I switched to incline and have never had a problem. I do alternate bb with db every other week. Why would you say that? Serious question, not sarcasm
For me personally I felt it to much in my front delts. I also figured since upper chest seems the hardest to build, why not do incline first when I am strongest. Every once in a blue moon I will throw bench in at the end when I am already exhausted. And chest is def a strong bodypart for me, I have a huge ribcage. But that's just me. If you feel a good pump from doing flatbench who the fuck am I to say it doesnt work? We are all diff
good point!
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its a tricep and front delt excercise you dumb fucks
blind leading the blind....
I love it when kids come on here and make comments like that from a few quotes from their favorite bodybuilder . They know so much ::)
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it's weird cause the only way I can get my inner chest to be sore is when I do fast heavy ugly looking rep on the bench press
if I do everything else,only the outside of the pecs will be sore
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it's weird cause the only way I can get my inner chest to be sore is when I do fast heavy ugly looking rep on the bench press
if I do everything else,only the outside of the pecs will be sore
Do you cross your hands when doing cable flyes?
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Do you cross your hands when doing cable flyes?
mmmmmm.... nope thinking about it I always stop when my fists touch
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mmmmmm.... nope thinking about it I always stop when my fists touch
Do one hand over/under then alternate crossing as far as you can comfortably. See how that feels.
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Do one hand over/under then alternate crossing as far as you can comfortably. See how that feels.
thanks I'll definitly try it 8)
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I love Flat barbell bench press... really feel that it attributed to my chest size...
I don't do it as much anymore because I normally train alone, and its a pain to try to find a good spotter around the gym if I wanna go heavy, so I just do dumbells now!
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I love Flat barbell bench press... really feel that it attributed to my chest size...
I don't do it as much anymore because I normally train alone, and its a pain to try to find a good spotter around the gym if I wanna go heavy, so I just do dumbells now!
I'm with you on this. Heavy bench is dangerous without a good spotter.
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The crossing of the cables technique kicks ass, really recommend it. That 'trick' is worth as much as the exercise itself.
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You forget this is a bodybuilding board. Yes, the bench is triceps, delts and of course LATS! HAHA, there was a great thread with people arguing about lat involvement in the bench press a while back. All the shitty magazines will tell you to exhaust with flys first if your press stagnates. ::)
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That could be true, if I use multi-set flyes first, my pecs are twitching more than Ryan Seacrests' asshole.... :D
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That could be true, if I use multi-set flyes first, my pecs are twitching more than Ryan Seacrests' asshole.... :D
lol
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The crossing of the cables technique kicks ass, really recommend it. That 'trick' is worth as much as the exercise itself.
yep.
The problem with machine flyes or cable flys done the conventional way is when the handles come together that isnt the full ROM of the pecs, the humerus needs to come further across the body - which is where inner pec's are really working.
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Just do whatever fucking chest exercises work best for you....................G EEZUS!!
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Just do whatever fucking chest exercises work best for you....................G EEZUS!!
Wes talking the truths
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Just do whatever fucking chest exercises work best for you....................G EEZUS!!
Chest is IMO the bodypart guys have the most trouble building. Most believe (just like i did for years) that all they need to do is keep adding lbs to whatever happens to be their favourite pressing movement or use some special grip spacing or angle they havent tried yet, which just isnt true and wont work well for the majority of people and since most of the people reading here are the majority this thread is kinda relevant. ;)
The 'secret',which really isnt a a secret at all, its just basic muscle physiology - is to get strong as hell on various flye movements...which method you think works best for that i'll leave for you to decide.... lets not get into a volume vs HIT debate now too ;D
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If you have long arms and a small ribcage, don't go all the way down. Simple.
People don't know how to adapt exercises to their morphologies.
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Bench works for me :)
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i don't feel my chest at all when doing dips and decline
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i don't feel my chest at all when doing dips and decline
Seems to work incredibly well on your mom though
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The primary muscle group targeted by the bench press is the pectoralis major. This is the muscle group that makes up the bulk of what we consider to be the chest. With modifications of the bench, either an incline or decline, you can also target the pectoralis minor, or lower pectorals, as well.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/104033-muscles-bench-press-workout/#ixzz1gRNXh2w1
Its pectoralis major clavicular and sternal head, you dummy, pectoralis minor is something you dont even have a clue about (protip: you cant see it and dont even worry about it)
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Pin the shoulders back during any chest movement. You won't be able to do the weights you're normally use to doing if you don't already do this but your chest will thank you. Lee Priest/Craig Titus didn't do this and it became obvious as everything else grew but their chest.
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Its pectoralis major clavicular and sternal head, you dummy, pectoralis minor is something you dont even have a clue about (protip: you cant see it and dont even worry about it)
x2 pec minor is one of the smallest muscles in the upper body.
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I retract my shoulder blades and keep them retracted throughout the bench press.
It reduces your stroke distance whilst pre stretching the chest and it is also safer.
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yep.
The problem with machine flyes or cable flys done the conventional way is when the handles come together that isnt the full ROM of the pecs, the humerus needs to come further across the body - which is where inner pec's are really working.
And that little extra ROM makes all the difference. The first part of the movement is just a means to an end.
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Benching works for me big time even tho chest has always been a standout bodypart for me.... but you get to a certain point where its best to cut back on benching frequency.... and use dumbells more... as benching too much starts to tell on the shoulders
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use whatever you feel most
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this thread is retarded, and the idiot that started it is a complete moron
:D :D :D :D
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Repped 320lb yesterday for four sets. U mad?
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its a tricep and front delt excercise you dumb fucks
blind leading the blind....
You should be one of the moron who think that the best chest exercise is dumbell flyes!
Flat Barbell Bench Press is the BEST chest exercise period!!!
Flat Barbell Bench Press is better than any other exercise for chest including Incline Barbell Bench Press who is the second best chest exercise or Paralllel Bar Dips that is the third best chest exercise!
If you want a great chest all you need is Flat Barbell Bench Press, add few sets of incline barbell press and parallel bar dips just for variety but never ,never,never and I said never drop Flat Barbell Bench Press who is the best MASS BUILDER for the entire pec region!
Dumbell flyes ,cable crossover,pec flyes machine and the various chest machine (including Hammer Chest Machine) are pretty much useless and a waste of time and energy once you did the Flat Barbell Bench Press who should be always the first pectoral exercise!
You don't believe me???
Just watch the patetic pec development of today IFBB pros including the current Mr. Olympia Phil Heat and compare with the Pec development of the old timers or the past Mr. Olympia (Arnold,Haney etc..).
The only recent Mr. Olympia with a great set of pectoral muscle was Coleman because he always trained chest with Flat Barbell Bench Press when instead is successor Dorian Yates ,who had a mediocre chest, never included Flat Barbell Bench Press in his routine!
Do yourself a favor next time you go to the gym : do Flat Barbell Bench Press!
You will be shocked on how much muscle mass you'll put on your chest! ;)
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yes you're right
your muscles have eyes and when they see you doing the flat barbell press they will immediately stimulate massive growth ::) ::)
retard, chest is GENETIC you will either have a good one it will remain like shit, you can develop a pro size chest by doing machines and smith
it is RESISTANCE that build muscle
R E S I S T A N C E
I think I have the solution for you, get on some kigtropina and strango trenbolona ace and work on machines
you will run back here so fast and erase this post. ;)
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yes you're right
your muscles have eyes and when they see you doing the flat barbell press they will immediately stimulate massive growth ::) ::)
retard, chest is GENETIC you will either have a good one it will remain like shit, you can develop a pro size chest by doing machines and smith
it is RESISTANCE that build muscle
R E S I S T A N C E
I think I have the solution for you, get on some kigtropina and strango trenbolona ace and work on machines
you will run back here so fast and erase this post. ;)
Most pecs are torn off on the flat bench, a testament to the amount of tension and resistance it puts on the pec major. :D
Other exercises are safer.... because they distribute the load more to other muscle groups.
Flat bench = dangerous but effective.
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I retract my shoulder blades and keep them retracted throughout the bench press.
It reduces your stroke distance whilst pre stretching the chest and it is also safer.
True technique.
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van_b always with good points :D
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Most pecs are torn off on the flat bench, a testament to the amount of tension and resistance it puts on the pec major. :D
Other exercises are safer.... because they distribute the load more to other muscle groups.
Flat bench = dangerous but effective.
well, that doesn't necessarily correlate to higher load on the pecs just that the benching movement is not a natural RoM for the pecs and puts them in an awkward position, since the pecs primary purpose is to bring the arms down and across the chest (arms from a YMCA 'Y' position down to a Triple H 'crotch chop' position, to use some amazing analogies here).
i think flat and incline are great exercises for putting on mass but not exercises i would use for heavy poundage for the reason i stated above, because like you said lots of guys have torn their pecs with the flat bench. don't think i've ever heard of someone tearing their pecs with decline bench or with a pec deck though and it's not as if you can't stimulate your pecs as well with either of those 2 exercises.
also, i don't know if it's just my imagination but it seems like there are less tears with dumb bell presses than barbell?
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yes you're right
your muscles have eyes and when they see you doing the flat barbell press they will immediately stimulate massive growth ::) ::)
retard, chest is GENETIC you will either have a good one it will remain like shit, you can develop a pro size chest by doing machines and smith
it is RESISTANCE that build muscle
R E S I S T A N C E
I think I have the solution for you, get on some kigtropina and strango trenbolona ace and work on machines
you will run back here so fast and erase this post. ;)
Thats complete bullshit. Training matters my friend.
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Most pecs are torn off on the flat bench, a testament to the amount of tension and resistance it puts on the pec major. :D
Other exercises are safer.... because they distribute the load more to other muscle groups.
Flat bench = dangerous but effective.
they are almost always torn off at the insertion point under the front delt, because that's where most of the stress is.
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Thats complete bullshit. Training matters my friend.
please tell me where i said "training does not matter" ???
when I wrote RESISTANCE builds muscle it means exactly that, and in this context it means you can use machines/smith/cables instead of free weight and prolong your career, build the same muscle as free weight, and just as strong..
I think it's time you come out of your imaginary world and open your eyes ::)
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please tell me where i said "training does not matter" ???
when I wrote RESISTANCE builds muscle it means exactly that, and in this context it means you can use machines/smith/cables instead of free weight and prolong your career, build the same muscle as free weight, and just as strong..
I think it's time you come out of your imaginary world and open your eyes ::)
Sorry for not being literal enough. TYPE of training is what matters.
A chest built on bench press will not look the same as a chest built on cable flies, and thats a fact.
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Sorry for not being literal enough. TYPE of training is what matters.
A chest built on bench press will not look the same as a chest built on cable flies, and thats a fact.
retard, when i meant to use machines/smith/cables it meant AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO SPECIFIC EXERCISES
FOR EXAMPLE SINCE YOU CANNOT USE YOUR BRAIN.
INSTEAD OF FREE WEIGHT BARBELL/DUMBBELL FLAT BENCH YOU CAN USE THE HAMMER STRENGTH FLAT
INSTEAD OF FREE WEIGHT BARBELL/DUMBBELL INCLINE BENCH YOU CAN USE THE HAMMER STRENGTH INCLINE
DO U UNDERSTAND ??? ???
some people make me wonder sometimes, like you all live in a dream world
when will u understand the type of training DOES NOT MATTER
at the end of the day if you have no drugs in your system you will remain the same and looking like shit no matter what type of training you do
90% DRUGS
5% TRAINING
5% FOOD
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use whatever you feel most
X1,000,000,000
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I bench and my chest is very very large.
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Most pecs are torn off on the flat bench, a testament to the amount of tension and resistance it puts on the pec major. :D
Other exercises are safer.... because they distribute the load more to other muscle groups.
Flat bench = dangerous but effective.
But isnt that due to bad form? And how bodybuilders bench...
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But isnt that due to bad form? And how bodybuilders bench...
that dave tate guy tore his pecs several times
ronnie never did
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that dave tate guy tore his pecs several times
ronnie never did
Tate used a hell of a lot more weight than Ronnie ever did.
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retard, when i meant to use machines/smith/cables it meant AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO SPECIFIC EXERCISES
FOR EXAMPLE SINCE YOU CANNOT USE YOUR BRAIN.
INSTEAD OF FREE WEIGHT BARBELL/DUMBBELL FLAT BENCH YOU CAN USE THE HAMMER STRENGTH FLAT
INSTEAD OF FREE WEIGHT BARBELL/DUMBBELL INCLINE BENCH YOU CAN USE THE HAMMER STRENGTH INCLINE
DO U UNDERSTAND ??? ???
some people make me wonder sometimes, like you all live in a dream world
when will u understand the type of training DOES NOT MATTER
at the end of the day if you have no drugs in your system you will remain the same and looking like shit no matter what type of training you do
90% DRUGS
5% TRAINING
5% FOOD
Then why did Ronnie and Arnold ect waste their time with freeweights dumfuck? Why didnt they switch to the easier less dangerous hammer strength ? :D
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that dave tate guy tore his pecs several times
ronnie never did
I think his were all before he trained with westside barbell. I might be wrong.
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I think his were all before he trained with westside barbell. I might be wrong.
you have to remember that Dave was at one point at least a mid 700's bencher, i dont care how perfect your "form" and setup is with that type of weight in your hands ANYTHING can happen.
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you have to remember that Dave was at one point at least a mid 700's bencher, i dont care how perfect your "form" and setup is with that type of weight in your hands ANYTHING can happen.
very true.
but i think most of his tears were early in his powerlifting days. either way when your handling that much weight your right. its a crapshoot.
most bodybuilders are tearing pecs benching 315 to 405. totally different ballgame
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very true.
but i think most of his tears were early in his powerlifting days. either way when your handling that much weight your right. its a crapshoot.
most bodybuilders are tearing pecs benching 315 to 405. totally different ballgame
i saw a fairly well developed bb'er tear his on 225 pound smith machine inclines, it can happen anytime.
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what about james henderson, he benched 700+ drug tested raw bodybuilding style
did he ever tear a pec?
i really wonder
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what about james henderson, he benched 700+ drug tested raw bodybuilding style
did he ever tear a pec?
i really wonder
just depends on the person dude, James is and was a freak of nature as a presser, he was a born bencher if ive ever seen one.
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just depends on the person dude, James is and was a freak of nature as a presser, he was a born bencher if ive ever seen one.
(http://www.japantoday.com/images/size/x/2011/12/photo_1322863136112-1-0.jpg)
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you have to remember that Dave was at one point at least a mid 700's bencher, i dont care how perfect your "form" and setup is with that type of weight in your hands ANYTHING can happen.
You know, man ... I gave you some shit when you came back, but I know:
A. It's "you"
B. As always, even back in the day with all of the hard-core flaming, you knew your stuff.
Welcome back Dave.
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You know, man ... I gave you some shit when you came back, but I know:
A. It's "you"
B. As always, even back in the day with all of the hard-core flaming, you knew your stuff.
Welcome back Dave.
thanks man.
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thanks man.
Exactly. Regardless of shit talk on here QO always knew his stuff and could talk about this stuff with great knowledge. Welcome back big man
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Exactly. Regardless of shit talk on here QO always knew his stuff and could talk about this stuff with great knowledge. Welcome back big man
ditto.
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This thread is retarded. It all depends on the individuals build. Same as squats. Short barrell chested fucks can bench and build huge chest (Alexey Lesukov is a perfect example).
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Then why did Ronnie and Arnold ect waste their time with freeweights dumfuck? Why didnt they switch to the easier less dangerous hammer strength ? :D
Perhaps maybe they liked the free weight better and felt it more ??? ??? I wasn't there in front of them to ask then personally
you fucking moron, CHEST IS GENETIC I SEE PLENTY OF "HARDCORE BENCHERS" EVERY SINGLE DAY AND THEIR CHEST LACKS MEANWHILE THE MACHINE USERS HAVE 3X THE CHEST SIZE
AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU GET THE SAME RESULT, IS IT STIMULATION THAT COUNTS
get your glasses on..
STIMULATION
CASE CLOSED
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Perhaps maybe they liked the free weight better and felt it more ??? ??? I wasn't there in front of them to ask then personally
you fucking moron, CHEST IS GENETIC I SEE PLENTY OF "HARDCORE BENCHERS" EVERY SINGLE DAY AND THEIR CHEST LACKS MEANWHILE THE MACHINE USERS HAVE 3X THE CHEST SIZE
AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU GET THE SAME RESULT, IS IT STIMULATION THAT COUNTS
get your glasses on..
STIMULATION
CASE CLOSED
I have horrible chest genetics and couldnt get them to grow until I benched heavy consistently for years, now my pecs are big stoopid little man! you need a better theory as to why Arnold and Ron would waste so much time and effort on the bench press for no reason at all. And chest size and depth are 2 different things, plenty of machine users have deep and defined pecs but lack chest girth the big benchers have more girth than the blah blah blah im done with your gh15 regurgitation shit cya.
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haha
so I guess squats , deadlift , barbell row are best too because arnold and ronnie used them too huh ::) ::)
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haha
so I guess squats , deadlift , barbell row are best too because arnold and ronnie used them too huh ::) ::)
Ron looked the way he did because of powerlifting, not because of the god damn hammer strength ! :D ::)
Im through with this
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lol... you are an interesting character
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lol... you are an interesting character
wow im flattered, elf lol
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Benching with good form is awesome - great feeling.
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f
Rob,
Good to see you're still strappin'!
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Tate used a hell of a lot more weight than Ronnie ever did.
Ronnie routinely repped away with way over tate's raw max, with a wide grip and his elbows flared.
700 in a multiply shirt is nothing earthshattering as a SHW, ronnie could have easily hit that in one of todays single ply's after a few months learning the groove.
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Ronnie routinely repped away with way over tate's raw max, with a wide grip and his elbows flared.
700 in a multiply shirt is nothing earthshattering as a SHW, ronnie could have easily hit that in one of todays single ply's after a few months learning the groove.
lol, ok whatever. ;)
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I could have flown if I was born with wings.
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it's so annoying when people try to act opinionated and buck conventional wisdom that has worked for bodybuilders for 50+ years.
the barbell bench press performed at shoulder-width apart hits primarily the chest if elbows are up. if elbows are down close to your torso triceps take over.
the end.
The problem is that how do you know the bench press is the exercise that stimulates the most amount of muscle growth? Most bodybuilders do a variety of exercises and most incorporate similar movements (incline db presses, flies, dips, pec deck, etc). Unless you did a controlled study where you had certain bodybuilders only do bench press, another set only do inclines,etc, then measured the results, you can more accurately pinpoint who had the most growth and what exercise attributed to the growth. Since most bbers do anywhere from 4-6 different exercises, how can you say that flat bench pressing stimulates the most growth? Bc Arnold benched a lot? He also did other things for chest.
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I could (actually do) agree that DB bench is a better exercise than BB bench for several reasons, e.g.:
(1) Can go to failure on your own without risking death
(2) Joint trajectories aren't restricted by the bar = less shoulder pain in my experience
The problem is that hoisting them up into place can be tough for heavier sets and you have to progress slower since they only go up in 5-lb increments usually whereas you can add the 2.5-lbers with BB bench.
To argue that flies are a better exercise for chest growth than a pressing movement is lunacy though.
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The problem is that how do you know the bench press is the exercise that stimulates the most amount of muscle growth? Most bodybuilders do a variety of exercises and most incorporate similar movements (incline db presses, flies, dips, pec deck, etc). Unless you did a controlled study where you had certain bodybuilders only do bench press, another set only do inclines,etc, then measured the results, you can more accurately pinpoint who had the most growth and what exercise attributed to the growth. Since most bbers do anywhere from 4-6 different exercises, how can you say that flat bench pressing stimulates the most growth? Bc Arnold benched a lot? He also did other things for chest.
well when you have a bunch of clowns claiming ridiculous statement such as "oh arnold did bench press... ronnie benched" they think it is the best exercise ::) ::)
makes me laugh
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IMO benching isn't the best chest builder, however it is the best upper body exercise. Guys that can bench heavy have a fuller looking upper body. Can you build big legs without squats? Ya but they don't look the same as a guy who does them.
You know how some guys have huge chests, shoulders, and triceps but something just doesn't look right? they just dont flow together? I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that they may not do exercises that uses several bodyparts.
Why argue that benching works as much of your chest as it does shoulders and triceps, isnt that a good thing?
Did Ronnies squatting,deadlifting,and benching kind of tie his whole body together?
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IMO benching isn't the best chest builder, however it is the best upper body exercise. Guys that can bench heavy have a fuller looking upper body. Can you build big legs without squats? Ya but they don't look the same as a guy who does them.
You know how some guys have huge chests, shoulders, and triceps but something just doesn't look right? they just dont flow together? I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that they may not do exercises that uses several bodyparts.
Why argue that benching works as much of your chest as it does shoulders and triceps, isnt that a good thing?
Did Ronnies squatting,deadlifting,and benching kind of tie his whole body together?
makes complete sense.
Matter of fact is that with the bench press you can handle the most weight out of any of the upper body exercises. You can work the weight you use on benches (db or bb) way way above any other upperbody exercise... that is the reason it is the best pec builder. It's not the best exercise for isolating pecs by a long shot.. granted... but because it allows you to use the most weight, while heavily involving the pecs, you can push your pec development the most with this exercise alone.
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IMO benching isn't the best chest builder, however it is the best upper body exercise. Guys that can bench heavy have a fuller looking upper body. Can you build big legs without squats? Ya but they don't look the same as a guy who does them.
You know how some guys have huge chests, shoulders, and triceps but something just doesn't look right? they just dont flow together? I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that they may not do exercises that uses several bodyparts.
Why argue that benching works as much of your chest as it does shoulders and triceps, isnt that a good thing?
Did Ronnies squatting,deadlifting,and benching kind of tie his whole body together?
Guys that can bench heavy have a fuller looking upper body because that is what their genetics dictate. If they didn't bench press, they would still have a fuller looking upper body than others. Again, you can't make a blanket statement that benching leads to a fuller looking upper body without some proof to back it up.
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Inject drugs for chest growth, train to let it happen
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Guys that can bench heavy have a fuller looking upper body because that is what their genetics dictate. If they didn't bench press, they would still have a fuller looking upper body than others. Again, you can't make a blanket statement that benching leads to a fuller looking upper body without some proof to back it up.
All the guys that have built their chests on cable flys look unimpressive compared to the ones that built them with bench regardless of genetics. And your right theres no proof that push ups dont work as good for upper body mass as heavy bench press does lol. But seeing as how alot of strong powerlifters have massive chests and upper bodies that were built on bench press, im gonna assume they know what they`re doing compared to the little bodybuilder that claims otherwise.
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this guy liked machines and dumbbells.
(http://www.bodybuilders.com/ruhl1.jpg)
and this guy hated the bench press.
(http://gymhealthworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/21_Dorian_Yates_photo.jpg)
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But both loved the juice, and then some..
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whats a good chest routine
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But both loved the juice, and then some..
they could have stayed natural and done bench press and gotten the same results. instead they chose the easy way with machines. only the toughest of men are brave enough to use a barbell
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they could have stayed natural and done bench press and gotten the same results. instead they chose the easy way with machines. only the toughest of men are brave enough to use a barbell
But I tend to think that when your on copious amounts of shit it doesnt matter what you do to stimulate the muscle, push ups will work just as good as a full out free weight chest routine lol
And didnt Dorian swear by incline bench press ???
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But I tend to think that when your on copious amounts of shit it doesnt matter what you do to stimulate the muscle, push ups will work just as good as a full out free weight chest routine lol
And didnt Dorian swear by incline bench press ???
Yes and he used to flat bench a lot too..had shoulder trouble and changed the exercise.
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whats a good chest routine
Slight incline dumbbell press, that's all. Do 10-12 sets a week.
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But I tend to think that when your on copious amounts of shit it doesnt matter what you do to stimulate the muscle, push ups will work just as good as a full out free weight chest routine lol
And didnt Dorian swear by incline bench press ???
Not sure about incline or flat, but i know he was a big advocate of decline bench press
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But I tend to think that when your on copious amounts of shit it doesnt matter what you do to stimulate the muscle, push ups will work just as good as a full out free weight chest routine lol
And didnt Dorian swear by incline bench press ???
yes that's what I'm saying.
some people act like bench press is harder/more effective.
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Ronnie routinely repped away with way over tate's raw max, with a wide grip and his elbows flared.
700 in a multiply shirt is nothing earthshattering as a SHW, ronnie could have easily hit that in one of todays single ply's after a few months learning the groove.
I'm not sure tate really beats him in any lift maybe the squat. Lots of powerlifters are not as strong as people think.
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Get things straight. Bench press works the pecs, NO question about that.
But regarding it being the best excercise however, it contains too many variables----form, arm length, reps, groove etc etc etc.
But make no question about it. Benching works the chest, period.
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whats a good chest routine
::)
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I've been doing sticking point training in the power rack for the last two weeks. we're going to go another month and see if our flat bench strength goes up. shit is HARD, but you are sore as fuck the next day.
and after that I'll probably do something completely different, Like machine drop sets....15, 12 , 10, 8
Point being...don't be a dildo and think that there is only one right answer to a question 8)
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;D ;D
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you know to bring your flame thrower with a thread title like, "lol @ benching for chest growth"!
that's like making a post that says, "lol at protein for muscle growth". ::)
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you know to bring your flame thrower with a thread title like, "lol @ benching for chest growth"!
that's like making a post that says, "lol at protein for muscle growth". ::)
sounds like a magazine cover story.this month'protein for muscle growth'
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sounds like a magazine cover story.this month'protein for muscle growth'
Flex still frequently does that lol, after all these years. They have run out of material.
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Benched tonight, felt great.
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Benched tonight, felt great.
waste of effort, just do pushups instead ::)
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waste of effort, just do pushups instead ::)
I don't agree. I did 5x5's and my chest was engorged with blood.
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lol
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I don't agree. I did 5x5's and my chest was engorged with blood.
5X5 is the shit
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I like bench presses @ the end of my chest workout.
If I do them first in my routine.....I don't feel them so well.
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I like benching when there are women around.
When not,
I just to the hammer press. ;D
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I like benching when there are women around.
When not,
I just to the hammer press. ;D
I have never seen this mentioned but its exactly what everyone thinks when they head to the alter of the weight room.
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its a tricep and front delt excercise - you dumb fucks
blind leading the blind....
There are several wrong assumptions with your post. It is true that the flat bench press works the triceps and delts as much as the pecs and that exercises such as pec deck flyes and dumbbell flyes work the pecs more. But it does not matter because the amount of resistence the bench press allows you to put ends up working the pecs more than the other exercises that work the pecs more directly. You put two guys, one of them to perform only pec deck flyes and the other to do only bench press, and the first guy will have bigger pecs after three months, but the second guy will have much bigger pecs after one year. A guy who can bench 400 lbs for reps will have much bigger pecs than a guy who does the entire stack in the pec deck machine for reps.
Also, you can work the pecs far more directly by inclining the bench in a 30 degree angle. This increases the involvement of the pecs in the exercise, decreases the involvement of the triceps and increases the range of motion for the pecs' contractions. The slight incline bench press gives you more and faster growth in your pecs than any exercise that isolates the pecs. The minus is that you get less growth in your triceps and delts. The best exercise for overall torso thickness is not even the bench press, but the flat dumbbell bench press, as this involves even more muscle to balance the weight and works even your back muscles as stabilizers.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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There are several wrong assumptions with your post. It is true that the flat bench press works the triceps and delts as much as the pecs and that exercises such as pec deck flyes and dumbbell flyes work the pecs more. But it does not matter because the amount of resistence the bench press allows you to put ends up working the pecs more than the other exercises that work the pecs more directly. You put two guys, one of them to perform only pec deck flyes and the other to do only bench press, and the first guy will have bigger pecs after three months, but the second guy will have much bigger pecs after one year. A guy who can bench 400 lbs for reps will have much bigger pecs than a guy who does the entire stack in the pec deck machine for reps.
Also, you can work the pecs far more directly by inclining the bench in a 30 degree angle. This increases the involvement of the pecs in the exercise, decreases the involvement of the triceps and increases the range of motion for the pecs' contractions. The slight incline bench press gives you more and faster growth in your pecs than any exercise that isolates the pecs. The minus is that you get less growth in your triceps and delts. The best exercise for overall torso thickness is not even the bench press, but the flat dumbbell bench press, as this involves even more muscle to balance the weight and works even your back muscles as stabilizers.
SUCKMYMUSCLE
I just can't see someone like Arnold developing a 56" chest using the pec deck. I think bench press is necessary for maximizing torso girth, dont see any machine or cable movement that can do the same..
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I just can't see someone like Arnold developing a 56" chest using the pec deck. I think bench press is necessary for maximizing torso girth, dont see any machine or able movement that can do the same..
Yes, exactly. Lol...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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Yes, exactly. Lol...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
You see SMM, its just so fucking simple :)
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You see SMM, its just so fucking simple :)
My long-winded explanations can be best summarized by simply giving obvious examples...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
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some really good strong pressers usually have thick tri's or good tri attachments to elbow and at the same time sometimes don't have the chest to show for it.
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My long-winded explanations can be best summarized by simply giving obvious examples...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
lol, I wasn't trying to simplify your theory for you I was merely giving my own 2 worthless pennies. Your long winded explanation seems accurate to me. No matter though, most of the temporary bbers and juicers on this board will never agree with it anyways.