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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2011/InsiderAdvantage_Iowa_1213.pdf
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He is close to second in NH as well. I think people are getting a little scared of Newt and dont trust romney.
Me - right now Paul / Bachmann would be ideal.
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Ron Paul Soars In GOP Race, But Foreign Policy Views Are An Albatross
IBD's Capital Hill ^ | 12/13/2011 | Sean Higgins
Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2011 5:24:45 PM by Slyscribe
Ron Paul is surging in Iowa according to the latest polls, but if the libertarian Texas Republican does become the flavor of the week, his foreign policy views will likely leave Republican voters with a sour taste.
The latest IBD/TIPP survey asked respondents which GOP presidential candidate they preferred on four issues: the economy, budget/taxes, health care and foreign policy. Paul is third behind Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich, being the preferred choice by Republicans on the first three issues by margins of 9%, 10%, and 6%, respectively.
As today’s IBD story touched on, Paul is weakest on foreign policy, where he is the choice of just 4%, tying him with Jon Huntsman.
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Poll: Front-runner Newt Gingrich's lead in early-voting Iowa has evaporated
By Jonathan Easley - 12/13/11 03:04 PM ET
Newt Gingrich’s onetime 9-point lead over the GOP field in Iowa is down to 1 point, and it’s Ron Paul who's breathing down his neck.
Gingrich is at 22 percent, according to a Public Policy Poll released on Tuesday. He’s followed by Paul at 21 percent, Mitt Romney at 16 percent, Michele Bachmann at 11 percent, Rick Perry at 9 percent, Rick Santorum at 8 percent, Jon Huntsman at 5 percent, and Gary Johnson at 1 percent.
Gingrich’s favorability with Tea Party supporters plummeted this week from 35 percent to 24 percent, bringing his overall favorability down from 62 percent favorable versus 31 percent unfavorable, to only 52 percent favorable versus 40 percent unfavorable.
Paul’s favorability numbers meanwhile, were almost the inverse of Gingrich’s. The Texas lawmaker is now at 61 percent favorable versus 31 percent unfavorable, compared to last week when he was at 52 percent favorable and 38 percent unfavorable.
Since Gingrich’s surprising rise in the polls, Paul has trained his sights on the former House Speaker, accusing him in attack ads of “serial hypocrisy” and of “selling access” as a Washington insider.
The entire GOP field went after Gingrich at Saturday’s primary debate, criticizing him as a lifelong politician and for his multiple divorces — and voters seem to have taken notice.
Fifty-two percent of likely Iowa caucus-goers said they watched Saturday's debate, according to the survey.
Perhaps even more important than the poll numbers leading into the Jan. 3 Iowa caucuses are the commitment levels of likely caucus-goers to their candidates. Conventional wisdom says a candidate needs a strong ground game in Iowa to turn out voters for the caucus-style voting, and here again, Paul leads the field.
Seventy-seven percent of Paul’s supporters say they are definitely gong to show up on election day to vote for him, while only 54 percent said the same of Gingrich. Romney also beats Gingrich in this category, with 67 percent of his supporters saying they will definitely show up.
Paul also leads among voters who say they have finalized their decision, taking 29 percent, compared to 21 percent for Gingrich and 18 percent for Romney.
Rick Perry, whose campaign has focused on the state’s Christian conservatives through his ads highlighting the “War on Christmas” and “Don’t ask, don’t tell,” remains unchanged at 9 percent. However, an American Research Group poll released this week showed him surging to 13 percent, up from 5 percent in November.
In another bad sign for Romney, Public Policy Polling found that voters widely view Gingrich as the most electable candidate, with 30 percent, followed by Romney at 21 percent and Paul at 14 percent.
Iowa voters have historically come out strong for the more socially conservative candidates, which in part helped propel Mike Huckabee to a victory in the 2008 presidential contest. That might not hold true in this cycle, however, as Romney trails despite 39 percent saying he has stronger values, compared to Gingrich at 18 percent
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He has spent a lot of money there and Romney has not, so not too surprised. I think he'll have respectable showings in Iowa and NH, but not really anywhere else (including his home state of Texas).
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If Ron Paul ever moved into 1st, and MSNBC starts its non stop attack on Paul (whoever is in first place gets smeared the most), then you will see 240 do the same...
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If Ron Paul ever moved into 1st, and MSNBC starts its non stop attack on Paul (whoever is in first place gets smeared the most), then you will see 240 do the same...
Truth. You see that pattern on the board with every frontrunner. The blacken gimmick does the same thing.
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PPP POLL BOMBSHELL: Ron Paul Is Close To A Win In Iowa
Business Insider ^ | 12/13/2011 | Grace Wyler
Ron Paul, the once-forgotten presidential candidate, is picking up steam in Iowa and now appears poised to overtake frontrunner Newt Gingrich, according to a new survey released today from the left-leaning Public Policy Polling.
The poll finds support for Gingrich has slipped to 22%, with Ron Paul just behind with 21%. Mitt Romney trails in third place with 16%.
That's a five-point drop in favorability for Gingrich, who has raced to the top of the Republican presidential field over the past month. PPP found Gingrich's favorability numbers have fallen 19 points over the past week.
Meanwhile, support for Paul is on the rise, particularly among younger voters and voters who identify themselves as "new." Among likely caucus-goers under age 45, Paul leads Gingrich 30-16. The numbers are nearly flipped for caucus-goers over age 45.
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Truth. You see that pattern on the board with every frontrunner. The blacken gimmick does the same thing.
If Paul ever moves into 1st....Que 240 to have an issue with his age all of the sudden...
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If Paul ever moves into 1st....Que 240 to have an issue with his age all of the sudden...
Truth - 240 will turn on RP just like he did everyone else but Obama.
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Exactly, yet 240 seems to think he is being sly, and still has some fooled...
Icing on the cake would be if he picked Bachmann for Veep.
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He wouldn't choose her in a million years.
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He wouldn't choose her in a million years.
Look - if by some miracle Paul gets the nod - he is going to have to pick a mainstream repub for veep - lets be real here.
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Look - if by some miracle Paul gets the nod - he is going to have to pick a mainstream repub for veep - lets be real here.
Christie would be nice
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Christie would be nice
It would look like a bouncer.
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Christie would be nice
Wont happen, as Cristie endorsed Romney.
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Wont happen, as Cristie endorsed Romney.
Hmm Hillary is foreign Minister so why not?
I get your point though
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It would look like a bouncer.
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Hmm Hillary is foreign Minister so why not?
I get your point though
No big deal to pick someone you ran against as VP, but very odd to pick someone as your VP that picked your opponent over you via an endorsement.
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Ouch
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Look - if by some miracle Paul gets the nod - he is going to have to pick a mainstream repub for veep - lets be real here.
What makes you think he'd do that? He's stuck to his guns on every issue - why would he ruin his reputation by picking some slimebag like Newt or Mitt?
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What makes you think he'd do that? He's stuck to his guns on every issue - why would he ruin his reputation by picking some slimebag like Newt or Mitt?
not saying those two. I'm talking about someone like Paul Ryan, Gov. McDonnell, etc
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not saying those two. I'm talking about someone like Paul Ryan, Gov. McDonnell, etc
Again, why would he pick someone who supports a foreign policy that puts America at jeopardy? Why would he pick someone who isn't half as consistent as he is?
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Again, why would he pick someone who supports a foreign policy that puts America at jeopardy? Why would he pick someone who isn't half as consistent as he is?
Because he has to win the election and he will have to unite the GOP behind him. Right now - the GOP is not united behind him at all.
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Live free or die.
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He wouldn't choose her in a million years.
my first thought as well
no way RP would choose that dingbat
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Look - if by some miracle Paul gets the nod - he is going to have to pick a mainstream repub for veep - lets be real here.
you think Bachmann is mainstream
are you joking
wait, of course you aren't joking
you truly believe that don't you
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I can just imagine the debates. Retards like Straw Man furiously beating their little peckers as their God-King throws out "focus group-tested" catch-phrases while the rest of us laugh as Paul destroys him on economics with hard knowledge.
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you think Bachmann is mainstream
are you joking
wait, of course you aren't joking
you truly believe that don't you
LOL
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I can just imagine the debates. Retards like Straw Man furiously beating their little peckers as their God-King throws out "focus group-tested" catch-phrases while the rest of us laugh as Paul destroys him on economics with hard knowledge.
you're confusing me with yourself again kid
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Because he has to win the election and he will have to unite the GOP behind him. Right now - the GOP is not united behind him at all.
If he wins the Republican nomination, he won't have to pick a mainstream veep. He'll already have the backing of the GOP. Besides, his strength is reaching out to independents and Democrats, not pandering to neoconservatives and war hawks. And he's never played by these political rules - why on Earth would he start now?
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If he wins the Republican nomination, he won't have to pick a mainstream veep. He'll already have the backing of the GOP. Besides, his strength is reaching out to independents and Democrats, not pandering to neoconservatives and war hawks. And he's never played by these political rules - why on Earth would he start now?
How so?
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Because he has to win the election and he will have to unite the GOP behind him. Right now - the GOP is not united behind him at all.
Very true. I could see him going either way. Maybe with somebody like Carl Person or maybe a mainstream candidate.
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http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/13/in-iowa-paul-closes-to-within-one-point-of-front-runner-gingrich
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How so?
LOL... This has been talked about at length here with detailed explanations. You really don't get how Paul attracts independents and even dems or liberal leaning voters?
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I'vebeen listening to foxradio all day.... beck, rush,hannity and levin.
it's quite the concerted effort to trash paul now. EVERYONE is doing it. talking about what a travesty it is that he can cumulatively collect these votes and possibly "Steal" the nomination from a "serious" canddiate.
what's up with that?
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I'vebeen listening to foxradio all day.... beck, rush,hannity and levin.
it's quite the concerted effort to trash paul now. EVERYONE is doing it. talking about what a travesty it is that he can cumulatively collect these votes and possibly "Steal" the nomination from a "serious" canddiate.
what's up with that?
Beck said he likes Ron Paul.
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Because he has to win the election and he will have to unite the GOP behind him. Right now - the GOP is not united behind him at all.
What the hell? This is a direct contridiction to what you agreed with just a few days ago!
Ron Paul will not have to unite the GOP behind him. They'll vote for him in a heartbeat over Obama. They'll bank on controlling the things they don't like about him through congress. Plus Paul will get 5 to 15% of the dem vote. Instant loss for Obama and he's the only candidate that can do that.
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LOL... This has been talked about at length here with detailed explanations. You really don't get how Paul attracts independents and even dems or liberal leaning voters?
repubs deny ron paul will steal any obama voters away.
sheeit,look at getbig. how many people 1) Voted obama in 2008 and 2) Would vote Ron Paul in 2012 over obama?
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Beck said he likes Ron Paul.
Beck spends as much time attacking Paul as he does saying anything good about him.
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repubs deny ron paul will steal any obama voters away.
sheeit,look at getbig. how many people 1) Voted obama in 2008 and 2) Would vote Ron Paul in 2012 over obama?
just look at the amount of left leaning people on this board alone that would vote Paul. Imagine that across the country to various degrees...
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Some of this new positive news worries me that Ron supporters think they might have this one in the bag and sit back on their efforts. Hope that doesnt happen.
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Some of this new positive news worries me that Ron supporters think they might have this one in the bag and sit back on their efforts. Hope that doesnt happen.
It's a little good news... Paul is still clearly behind and I doubt Paul supporters are going to relax at this point. The great news is that he's getting some new supporters even those who don't like some of his policies.
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Some of this new positive news worries me that Ron supporters think they might have this one in the bag and sit back on their efforts. Hope that doesnt happen.
I dont think soooo - I think this will be the first real "oh shit dude, we might really win this....' feeling.
Sure, we all like RP, but we always kinda knew he'd never top 9% in any state, right?
imagine him winning the fuck outta Iowa... think of the getbiggers.... Fury, 33, 240, ,Bindare, Hugo, etc... all celebrating at once.
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I dont think soooo - I think this will be the first real "oh shit dude, we might really win this....' feeling.
Sure, we all like RP, but we always kinda knew he'd never top 9% in any state, right?
imagine him winning the fuck outta Iowa... think of the getbiggers.... Fury, 33, 240, ,Bindare, Hugo, etc... all celebrating at once.
For me it's about trust , lack of scandal, and consistency.
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i wouldn't care if ron paul was having anal sex with my grandmother, after drinking my merlot and wiping his ass on my curtains.
if he will cut spending and prevent a collapse of the dollar - then i'm cool with him.
It helps he doesn't stick his dick in other women for some voters like newt, it helps that he wasn't a full blown lib when it was convenient like Mitt.
but for me, the fact he is the only person in this race that will really cut spending - and everyone here knows it - makes him #1.
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What the hell? This is a direct contridiction to what you agreed with just a few days ago!
Ron Paul will not have to unite the GOP behind him. They'll vote for him in a heartbeat over Obama. They'll bank on controlling the things they don't like about him through congress. Plus Paul will get 5 to 15% of the dem vote. Instant loss for Obama and he's the only candidate that can do that.
bump for 3333
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I think RP has a weird kind of chance
sort of the perfect storm
almost every other Repub candidate has been on top so maybe it's his turn and he'll slip into that role when it actually matters
RP seems to be consistent and authentic
RP v Obama would be an damn entertaining show
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bill o reillay saying last night that IF Ron paul does well at Iowa - it's only because he's "overperforming".
LMFAO.... pathetic... the mainstream repub establishment, those who brought us mccain in 2008, are scared shitless of Ron Paul.
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bill o reillay saying last night that IF Ron paul does well at Iowa - it's only because he's "overperforming".
LMFAO.... pathetic... the mainstream repub establishment, those who brought us mccain in 2008, are scared shitless of Ron Paul.
Bill is right up there with Trump in terms of moronic views and statements.
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Bill is right up there with Trump in terms of moronic views and statements.
BOR is a joke. The only show on ox I like somewhat is Gretta.
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Ron Paul Wins Pasco County FL GOP Straw Poll!
Florida Pasco County Straw Poll 12-13-2011
Results are:
Ron Paul: 171
Gingrich: 51
Romney: 30
Perry: 14
Santorum: 6
Bachmann: 3
Cain: 1
Huntsman: 1
Johnson: 1
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Ron Paul Wins Pasco County FL GOP Straw Poll!
Florida Pasco County Straw Poll 12-13-2011
Results are:
Ron Paul: 171
Gingrich: 51
Romney: 30
Perry: 14
Santorum: 6
Bachmann: 3
Cain: 1
Huntsman: 1
Johnson: 1
shit, it's not even close!!
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How about Rand for VP?
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How about Rand for VP?
I think Ron Paul would bring in some military hero, economist PhD, former firefighter or somethign like that... a younger guy he's been hiding, some stud that is from outside the washington dc circle. No way he puts someone behind him who doesn't match his beliefs.
Or he'll put alex jones on the ticket. imagine AJ completely smashing biden in the debates! hahaha
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I think Ron Paul would bring in some military hero, economist PhD, former firefighter or somethign like that... a younger guy he's been hiding, some stud that is from outside the washington dc circle. No way he puts someone behind him who doesn't match his beliefs.
Or he'll put alex jones on the ticket. imagine AJ completely smashing biden in the debates! hahaha
Schiff for Sectr of the Tres.
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Schiff for Sectr of the Tres.
Imagine what RPaul's cabinet would look like! hahaha
Put Alex Jones in charge of investigating govt wrongdoing. instead of Issa giving speeche son fox news every monday then doing nothing - we'd have MFckers going to prison! hahaha that would be awesome.
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Peter Schiff for Secretary of Treasury -- hell yeah.
Ron should start announcing his cabinet now -- much press and a great way to really focus on the issues.
Alex Jones -- hell yeah
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Ron Paul is going to have trouble with the Church Community (christian fundamentalists).
My uncle just posted on facebook, warning everyone about Ron Paul's blasphemous plans to end all aid to Israel.
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LOL... This has been talked about at length here with detailed explanations. You really don't get how Paul attracts independents and even dems or liberal leaning voters?
I don't read every thread, or every post in every thread, so no, I don't recall reading "detailed explanations" about how Ron Paul attracts independents and Democrats. I find it hard to believe. In fact, most of the liberals I know who have talked about Ron Paul do not like him. I posted an article I got from one of those liberal friends a little while back: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=401296.0
Ron Paul's support outside of the Republican party is primarily with libertarians, 911 CT nuts, and kids, none of whom make up a significant voting block and/or influence national elections. And his support within the Republican party is fairly limited.
He will do well in Iowa and NH, in part because he has spent so much time and money there and Romney has basically conceded Iowa, but outside of that he isn't going to win a single primary IMO.
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I don't read every thread, or every post in every thread, so no, I don't recall reading "detailed explanations" about how Ron Paul attracts independents and Democrats. I find it hard to believe. In fact, most of the liberals I know who have talked about Ron Paul do not like him. I posted an article I got from one of those liberal friends a little while back: http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=401296.0
Ron Paul's support outside of the Republican party is primarily with libertarians, 911 CT nuts, and kids, none of whom make up a significant voting block and/or influence national elections. And his support within the Republican party is fairly limited.
He will do well in Iowa and NH, in part because he has spent so much time and money there and Romney has basically conceded Iowa, but outside of that he isn't going to win a single primary IMO.
The average demo is still deeply in love with obama, none of these people are fooling anyone.
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Ron Paul Wins Pasco County FL GOP Straw Poll!
Florida Pasco County Straw Poll 12-13-2011
Results are:
Ron Paul: 171
Gingrich: 51
Romney: 30
Perry: 14
Santorum: 6
Bachmann: 3
Cain: 1
Huntsman: 1
Johnson: 1
This is about as reliable as a getbig.com poll. lol
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The average demo is still deeply in love with obama, none of these people are fooling anyone.
That is so true. It's amazing how willfully blind so many Democrats are about the failure of this administration.
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That is so true. It's amazing how willfully blind so many Democrats are about the failure of this administration.
The average democrat is a real moron and piece of garbage for still defending obama. They are no different than the fools who were still cheering on Bush those last two years despite his bs.
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The average demo is still deeply in love with obama, none of these people are fooling anyone.
You're such a fucking asstwat sometimes... It's one thing to ignore the freaking pages and pages of examples of libs supporting Paul posted here but it's another to come off like it never fucking happened ::)
Paul will take 5 to 15 percent of Obama's vote. Put that fact into your stupid fucking ass and smoke it until you've learned it.
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You're such a fucking asstwat sometimes... It's one thing to ignore the freaking pages and pages of examples of libs supporting Paul posted here but it's another to come off like it never fucking happened ::)
Paul will take 5 to 15 percent of Obama's vote. Put that fact into your stupid fucking ass and smoke it until you've learned it.
I said the average democrat - not the fringe progressives. The average democrat is still in love with obama and will kneepad him for anything.
You are not the average democrat - the average RAT is a straw, blacken, benny, andre, etc.
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The average democrat is a real moron and piece of garbage for still defending obama. They are no different than the fools who were still cheering on Bush those last two years despite his bs.
I don't think they're dumb. They're just in denial. I know a lot of smart people who still support him.
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I don't think they're dumb. They're just in denial. I know a lot of smart people who still support him.
Why do you keep saying that? Someone who still defends obama despite his failures and crimes is not smart - they are insane.
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Why do you keep saying that? Someone who still defends obama despite his failures and crimes is not smart - they are insane.
Because I know them. A disagreement about a political candidate doesn't make a person stupid. Definitely not insane. What's funny is when I do talk specific issues with them, and why this administration is a failure, they can't really dispute the facts. The default response is: he inherited a mess and they don't like the Republican candidates (which they wouldn't like regardless of who is running).
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Because I know them. A disagreement about a political candidate doesn't make a person stupid. Definitely not insane. What's funny is when I do talk specific issues with them, and why this administration is a failure, they can't really dispute the facts. The default response is: he inherited a mess and they don't like the Republican candidates (which they wouldn't like regardless of who is running).
And that is plain stupid. So lets say Obama gets a second term and leaves a catastrophe for the person after. Are these people saying they will be content to have that repub endlessly blame obama for everything?
Its not a disagreement - its plain stupid - despite the fact these idiots may be able to put on a veneer of being "smart".
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And that is plain stupid. So lets say Obama gets a second term and leaves a catastrophe for the person after. Are these people saying they will be content to have that repub endlessly blame obama for everything?
Its not a disagreement - its plain stupid - despite the fact these idiots may be able to put on a veneer of being "smart".
I don't think they really contemplate the long-term results of putting Obama in for a second term. It could be catastrophic to make him a lame duck president.
But I'm not willing to paint all Democrats with such a broad brush. Especially the ones I know.
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it's funny seeing so many republican tools that worshipped mccain and mitt as "conservative saviors"....
shitting all over ron paul.
I love it. they ignored him for months, now that he might just overtake the newt voters that are unhappy now that newt is talking....
Suddenly they can't stop hating on him.
And he's everything they want - tea party beliefs to the max. They claimed to be tea partiers when that was 'chic'.
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I don't think they really contemplate the long-term results of putting Obama in for a second term. It could be catastrophic to make him a lame duck president.
But I'm not willing to paint all Democrats with such a broad brush. Especially the ones I know.
Oh I would! Are you kidding?
The average democrat where i am is usually - a govt worker, minority, jew, union member, college professor type, or a drug addict, but usually a combo of the above.
When you speak to these idiots about even the most basic economic issues, monetary matters, civics, etc, its frightening thinking that these people vote.
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Oh I would! Are you kidding?
The average democrat where i am is usually - a govt worker, minority, jew, union member, college professor type, or a drug addict, but usually a combo of the above.
When you speak to these idiots about even the most basic economic issues, monetary matters, civics, etc, its frightening thinking that these people vote.
I agree in part. Lots of people don't take the time to understand the impact of their vote. They aren't well versed in the issues. That's partly how someone like Obama gets elected.
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I agree in part. Lots of people don't take the time to understand the impact of their vote. They aren't well versed in the issues. That's partly how someone like Obama gets elected.
I remember vivdly one couple of demos I went out to dinner before the election. Both are college grads. I simply asked them what they knew about obama and why they were voting for him. I asked what in his record qualified him for office or even gave them any confidence of what he might or might not do.
After pointing out basic things like Bama was being financed by the very architect of the crash and supposrted all of the policies that caused the crash, the husband turned purple and walked out of the resturant, the wife apologized and could not refute anything.
Now, three years later, the husband still qwont talk to me, and the wife has conceeded that she was all caught up in emotion as the reason she voted for him and had no idea how bad he would be. Her business has goner in the toilet like most others in the last few years and probably wont vote for obama again unless Ron paul is the nominee.
She has two gay brothers who hate my guts because I exposed Obamacare from day 1 for the corrupt destructive mess it is. They have another brother who likes me and really knows finance stuff and told his gay brothers off a year ago for their still supporting obama despite the fraud and criminality.
The bottom line is that most obamabots are morons and simply can't see shit right in front of their faces. They act on emotion and get caught up in hope and chage crap and avoid ever discussing issues. When anyone ever points out on issues how much of a disaster obama has been, they meltdown and call names. Same thing on this site. obamabots are dumb, regardless of their level of education.
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I remember vivdly one couple of demos I went out to dinner before the election. Both are college grads. I simply asked them what they knew about obama and why they were voting for him. I asked what in his record qualified him for office or even gave them any confidence of what he might or might not do.
After pointing out basic things like Bama was being financed by the very architect of the crash and supposrted all of the policies that caused the crash, the husband turned purple and walked out of the resturant, the wife apologized and could not refute anything.
Now, three years later, the husband still qwont talk to me, and the wife has conceeded that she was all caught up in emotion as the reason she voted for him and had no idea how bad he would be. Her business has goner in the toilet like most others in the last few years and probably wont vote for obama again unless Ron paul is the nominee.
She has two gay brothers who hate my guts because I exposed Obamacare from day 1 for the corrupt destructive mess it is. They have another brother who likes me and really knows finance stuff and told his gay brothers off a year ago for their still supporting obama despite the fraud and criminality.
The bottom line is that most obamabots are morons and simply can't see shit right in front of their faces. They act on emotion and get caught up in hope and chage crap and avoid ever discussing issues. When anyone ever points out on issues how much of a disaster obama has been, they meltdown and call names. Same thing on this site. obamabots are dumb, regardless of their level of education.
I've had somewhat similar experiences, except they don't usually get mad at me. :)
I agree a lot of his supporters are still caught up with emotional, rather than logical, support for him. It is very difficult to have a conversation with some of them.
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All you ever get from the typical demos are cliches, insults, name calling, religious bigotry, false narratives, etc.
Now i just mock them openly. When i see the people with the "2012" stickers on the car I usually laugh at these people and get them to melt down.
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I remember vivdly one couple of demos I went out to dinner before the election. Both are college grads. I simply asked them what they knew about obama and why they were voting for him. I asked what in his record qualified him for office or even gave them any confidence of what he might or might not do.
After pointing out basic things like Bama was being financed by the very architect of the crash and supposrted all of the policies that caused the crash, the husband turned purple and walked out of the resturant, the wife apologized and could not refute anything.
Now, three years later, the husband still qwont talk to me, and the wife has conceeded that she was all caught up in emotion as the reason she voted for him and had no idea how bad he would be. Her business has goner in the toilet like most others in the last few years and probably wont vote for obama again unless Ron paul is the nominee.
She has two gay brothers who hate my guts because I exposed Obamacare from day 1 for the corrupt destructive mess it is. They have another brother who likes me and really knows finance stuff and told his gay brothers off a year ago for their still supporting obama despite the fraud and criminality.
The bottom line is that most obamabots are morons and simply can't see shit right in front of their faces. They act on emotion and get caught up in hope and chage crap and avoid ever discussing issues. When anyone ever points out on issues how much of a disaster obama has been, they meltdown and call names. Same thing on this site. obamabots are dumb, regardless of their level of education.
assuming your story is true (and I doubt it only because it's hard to imagine you actually have human friends) the husband probably won't talk to you because he thinks you're a jackass for being confrontational about politics at a casual social engagement. It's the same reason why your own family won't tolerate your idiotic rantings. The wife is probably just being polite or is just saying she agrees with you so you will shut the fuck up and stop harassing her and the gay brother most likely hate you for the exact same reason, specifically that you're an insufferable asshole who doesn't know how to have a conversation without being an overbearing prick
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What's up with all of these leftists frothing at the mouth constantly attacking 33? ::)
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Excellent interview. Much respect to Wolf for this.
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What's up with all of these leftists frothing at the mouth constantly attacking 33? ::)
LoL @ Leftist
If you're referring to me I'm not attacking him at all. I'm trying to help him understand why he is repellent to other people. Most of us on this board have strong political opinions but know there is a time and a place to discuss them and know how to discuss them without making people want nothing more than to get away from us
I'm just trying to help 333 undertstand that.
Look at Bum's post above. He certainly has strong opinions but he doesn't get the same reactions that 333 does
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The wife had to call me today since in Obama economy she is near closing up shop. she has a bunch of clients she can't get paid from since they are broke too. The gay brothers are fags and fucking morons. Told one of them to kill himself for being so congenitally stupid and incompetent. the other fag I told to get his head out of his bf's asshole and realize his sitter was suffering due to Obamas treasonous policies.
the third brother I get along w great and he as long ago disowned his idiot siblings for supporting Bama. him and I usually discuss articles on zerohedge etc.
as for the husband, have not spoken to him, but fuck him. He wants to make a fool of itself supporting Obama, let him be. only a complete. Jackass and asshole supports Obamas neo-terrorist locked at this point.
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The wife had to call me today since in Obama economy she is near closing up shop. she has a bunch of clients she can't get paid from since they are broke too. The gay brothers are fags and fucking morons. Told one of them to kill himself for being so congenitally stupid and incompetent. the other fag I told to get his head out of his bf's asshole and realize his sitter was suffering due to Obamas treasonous policies.
the third brother I get along w great and he as long ago disowned his idiot siblings for supporting Bama. him and I usually discuss articles on zerohedge etc.
as for the husband, have not spoken to him, but fuck him. He wants to make a fool of itself supporting Obama, let him be. only a complete. Jackass and asshole supports Obamas neo-terrorist locked at this point.
perfect example of what I said in my prior post
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LoL @ Leftist
If you're referring to me I'm not attacking him at all. I'm trying to help him understand why he is repellent to other people. Most of us on this board have strong political opinions but know there is a time and a place to discuss them and know how to discuss them without making people want nothing more than to get away from us
I'm just trying to help 333 undertstand that.
Look at Bum's post above. He certainly has strong opinions but he doesn't get the same reactions that 333 does
*yawn
You realize nobody here is going to buy your bullshit lies, right? You go off on a vile, immature, and hateful rant against a fellow boardmember and you justify it as "I'm not attacking him at all I'm trying to help him understand."
You and a few others on this board seem to have some kind of deep-seated hatred against 33 for no other reason than you disagree with him on politics. It's sad, really.
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Great!
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*yawn
You realize nobody here is going to buy your bullshit lies, right? You go off on a vile, immature, and hateful rant against a fellow boardmember and you justify it as "I'm not attacking him at all I'm trying to help him understand."
You and a few others on this board seem to have some kind of deep-seated hatred against 33 for no other reason than you disagree with him on politics. It's sad, really.
lies ?
I gave my opinions and I have no hatred for 333 or anyone on this board
I'm just trying to help him understand why people don't want to be around him
I think the guy is in his 30's and kind of suprised he hasn't figured it out yet
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lies ?
I gave my opinions and I have no hatred for 333 or anyone on this board
I'm just trying to help him understand why people don't want to be around him
I think the guy is in his 30's and kind of suprised he hasn't figured it out yet
LMAO @ "why people don't want to be around him"-- Translation: I'm a closet case internet troll who doesn't like when other board members disagree with me. I would log off the computer because 333 hurts my feelings, but I'm too much of a pathetic loser-- so instead I'll explain to him why "people" don't want to be around him. Maybe that will show him ::)
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LMAO @ "why people don't want to be around him"-- Translation: I'm a closet case internet troll who doesn't like when other board members disagree with me. I would log off the computer because 333 hurts my feelings, but I'm too much of a pathetic loser-- so instead I'll explain to him why "people" don't want to be around him. Maybe that will show him ::)
you're the last person to be calling anyone a closet case
how exactly would 333 describing a dinner with someone hurt my feelings
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lies ?
I gave my opinions and I have no hatred for 333 or anyone on this board
I'm just trying to help him understand why people don't want to be around him
I think the guy is in his 30's and kind of suprised he hasn't figured it out yet
Anyone who reads the original post I was referencing and then reads your "defenses" can tell you're full of shit. Do you really think you're fooling anyone?
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Anyone who reads the original post I was referencing and then reads your "defenses" can tell you're full of shit. Do you really think you're fooling anyone?
the original post you were referencing = my response to 333's post about his horrible social skills ?
is that the post that's not "fooling anyone" ?
if so you should spend some more time on this board
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assuming your story is true (and I doubt it only because it's hard to imagine you actually have human friends) the husband probably won't talk to you because he thinks you're a jackass for being confrontational about politics at a casual social engagement. It's the same reason why your own family won't tolerate your idiotic rantings. The wife is probably just being polite or is just saying she agrees with you so you will shut the fuck up and stop harassing her and the gay brother most likely hate you for the exact same reason, specifically that you're an insufferable asshole who doesn't know how to have a conversation without being an overbearing prick
Tally of vile insults:
1) assuming your story is true
2) it's hard to imagine you actually have human friends
3) you're a jackass
4) your own family won't tolerate your idiotic rantings
5) The wife is probably just being polite or is just saying she agrees with you so you will shut the fuck up
6) you're an insufferable asshole
7) an overbearing prick
You follow this up with...
LoL @ Leftist
If you're referring to me I'm not attacking him at all. I'm trying to help him understand why he is repellent to other people. Most of us on this board have strong political opinions but know there is a time and a place to discuss them and know how to discuss them without making people want nothing more than to get away from us
I'm just trying to help 333 undertstand that.
Look at Bum's post above. He certainly has strong opinions but he doesn't get the same reactions that 333 does
Haha suuuure. But your lies don't stop there...
lies ?
I gave my opinions and I have no hatred for 333 or anyone on this board
I'm just trying to help him understand why people don't want to be around him
I think the guy is in his 30's and kind of suprised he hasn't figured it out yet
Same defense. Kind of reminds me of those loser jocks in high school who pick on the nerds "for their own good." Of course, the real reason they do so is to hide their own inadequacies.
the original post you were referencing = my response to 333's post about his horrible social skills ?
is that the post that's not "fooling anyone" ?
if so you should spend some more time on this board
There's a difference between flaming someone on the internet for shits and giggles and going on a full-fledged rant because you hate them. Given the effort you put forward in your original post, you clearly engaged in the latter.
Why don't you just admit that you can't stand to listen or read to what the other side has to say, that in fact you don't even know the opposing views to many of your own beliefs, and you have a deep-seated hatred for 33 simply because he does not conform with your worldview?
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Tally of vile insults:
1) assuming your story is true
2) it's hard to imagine you actually have human friends
3) you're a jackass
4) your own family won't tolerate your idiotic rantings
5) The wife is probably just being polite or is just saying she agrees with you so you will shut the fuck up
6) you're an insufferable asshole
7) an overbearing prick
You follow this up with...
Haha suuuure. But your lies don't stop there...
Same defense. Kind of reminds me of those loser jocks in high school who pick on the nerds "for their own good." Of course, the real reason they do so is to hide their own inadequacies.
There's a difference between flaming someone on the internet for shits and giggles and going on a full-fledged rant because you hate them. Given the effort you put forward in your original post, you clearly engaged in the latter.
Why don't you just admit that you can't stand to listen or read to what the other side has to say, that in fact you don't even know the opposing views to many of your own beliefs, and you have a deep-seated hatred for 33 simply because he does not conform with your worldview?
Holy Schnikey
Dude - why the huge emotional investment ?
333 is a well known asshole
I'm sure he'd have no problem admitting that himself and I doubt as he looks at me as the jock picking on him (the nerd)
you should either spend more time on this board or stop coming here all together
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we come to the poli board because we like to discuss politics. In 'real life', if someone was all red faced about politics in a bar, i'd laugh at them and tell them to have a shot, STFU, and watch the game. We're here to get a buzz and try to get laid, fellah.
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we come to the poli board because we like to discuss politics. In 'real life', if someone was all red faced about politics in a bar, i'd laugh at them and tell them to have a shot, STFU, and watch the game. We're here to get a buzz and try to get laid, fellah.
yeah but most likely you'd be smart enough to not to start getting in someone's face about politics in the first place, at least not in that setting or not with people who are there to have a nice casual meal.
Most adults know that topics like politics and religion are sensitive issues and don't show up in social situations and start berating people about their beliefs.
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yeah but most likely you'd be smart enough to not to start getting in someone's face about politics in the first place, at least not in that setting or not with people who are there to have a nice casual meal.
Most adults know that topics like politics and religion are sensitive issues and don't show up in social situations and start berating people about their beliefs.
I only berate people when they expose themselves to be obamabots who know only the following "Bush", RW Christian whacko", "Nazi", "Party of rich", "Democrats support the working the man", and other false narratives. At that time, i start surgically and methodically breaking these people in half.
As for people with the "2012" stickers - I honk the car and give them the finger. If they run off the road its a bonus as far as I am concerned. ;D
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ppl bring up things like politics all the time around me. i usually play dumb with 'they're all crooks...' then change the topic.
Usually, because whoever they like, I can point out 20 flaws, mistakes or flipflops by 'their guy' and they'll hate me for it.
Or, they'll respond with "nuh-uh!' and without the ability to link pwnage with proof of the news story, what's the point?
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I only berate people when they expose themselves to be obamabots who know only the following "Bush", RW Christian whacko", "Nazi", "Party of rich", "Democrats support the working the man", and other false narratives. At that time, i start surgically and methodically breaking these people in half.
As for people with the "2012" stickers - I honk the car and give them the finger. If they run off the road its a bonus as far as I am concerned. ;D
exactly my point
you're a complete asshole
and you think anyone who voted for Obama is an "obamabot" which you think gives you the green light to fire at will regarldless of the setting or how someone response or even if they feel like discussing politics or not. You see "obamabot" and then you just plow forward. That might be fine for a political discuss board but not at a friendly social gathering........unless of course you're a complete asshat
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exactly my point
you're a complete asshole
and you think anyone who voted for Obama is an "obamabot" which you think gives you the green light to fire at will regarldless of the setting or how someone response or even if they feel like discussing politics or not. You see "obamabot" and then you just plow forward. That might be fine for a political discuss board but not at a friendly social gathering........unless of course you're a complete asshat
I agree I can be a over the top asshole. But I admit what I am and there are no secrets or pretenses.
I also have no problem being in a crowd of 1 in a 100 obamabots and telling them all to go to hell and destroying their false ideas and narratives to smitherines.
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ppl bring up things like politics all the time around me. i usually play dumb with 'they're all crooks...' then change the topic.
Usually, because whoever they like, I can point out 20 flaws, mistakes or flipflops by 'their guy' and they'll hate me for it.
Or, they'll respond with "nuh-uh!' and without the ability to link pwnage with proof of the news story, what's the point?
I certainly have strong beliefs of my own but I always guage peoples reactions, especially if I don't know the person. I was in Georgia a few months ago for my brother in laws birthday and virtually everyone at the party was were right wingers and a couple of them had actually gone to DC for various tea party events. Politics was discussed and we all got along fine because nobody there felt the need to be a self rightous asshole
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I agree I can be a over the top asshole. But I admit what I am and there are no secrets or pretenses.
I also have no problem being in a crowd of 1 in a 100 obamabots and telling them all to go to hell and destroying their false ideas and narratives to smitherines.
exactly what I tried to explain to Howard
I have no idea why he is so emotionally involved in having to defend you when you readily admit you're an asshole
hopefully he douched this morning and washed that sand out of his vagina
if there is one thing we can all agree on on this board it's that you're an asshole ;D
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exactly what I tried to explain to Howard
I have no idea why he is so emotionally involved in having to defend you when you readily admit you're an asshole
hopefully he douched this morning and washed that sand out of his vagina
if there is one thing we can all agree on on this board it's that you're an asshole ;D
no problem. i tell everyone i meet - what you see if what you get. Some of me you will love and some of me you will hate - but you are told upfront what you are getting, so no one can ever say they were not warned beforehand.
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no problem. i tell everyone i meet - what you see if what you get. Some of me you will love and some of me you will hate - but you are told upfront what you are getting, so no one can ever say they were not warned beforehand.
I'm sure you're aware that most adults don't act that way
For example I know a lot of christians and most of them to do not know that I think their beliefs are totally fucking absurd
why would I bring that up? The only result would be anger, acrimony, etc...
you on the other hand simply don't give a shit. You feel compelled to attack anyone you think is an "obamabot" and you take it the absurd level of flipping off people you dont' even know for nothing more than having a bumper sticker or attacking unfortunate people who find themsleves across a dinner table from you
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I'm sure you're aware that most adults don't act that way
For example I know a lot of christians and most of them to do not know that I think their beliefs are totally fucking absurd
why would I bring that up? The only result would be anger, acrimony, etc...
you on the other hand simply don't give a shit. You feel compelled to attack anyone you think is an "obamabot" and you take it the absurd level of flipping off people you dont' even know for nothing more than having a bumper sticker or attacking unfortunate people who find themsleves across a dinner table from you
Agreed - I love to ruin the day of an obamabot. In fact - at this point - just for laughs I want to get bumperstickers saying Palin/Bachmann 2012 - get some balls and testosterone in the WH! and place them over people with obama stickers at the wholefoods parking lots, etc.
I would like to then watch from afar when that fool comes out to their prius and lemts down and walk up to them and say "What's wrong?" When they explain that they love obama - i would then start mocking them again. Double dose of pain for these jerkoffs who gave us this communist piece of garbage.
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Agreed - I love to ruin the day of an obamabot. In fact - at this point - just for laughs I want to get bumperstickers saying Palin/Bachmann 2012 - get some balls and testosterone in the WH! and place them over people with obama stickers at the wholefoods parking lots, etc.
I would like to then watch from afar when that fool comes out to their prius and lemts down and walk up to them and say "What's wrong?" When they explain that they love obama - i would then start mocking them again. Double dose of pain for these jerkoffs who gave us this communist piece of garbage.
see what I'm talking about now Howie?