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If you have more than one could you please list them in order of who you believe has the best chance? Thanks.
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If we could mobilize funding for Ron Paul and use his organization in all 50 states instead of just Iowa and New Hampshire...
(http://reason.com/assets/mc/eekins/2011_12/ronpaul/RonPaul_1.jpg)
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Trick question... none of them have a chance..
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Trick question... none of them have a chance..
It'll be a cakewalk. ::)
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If you have more than one could you please list them in order of who you believe has the best chance? Thanks.
If the economy is the same or worse one year from now...every single one has a good shot at beating him.
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Ron Paul
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1 - Mitt
2 - Ron
Here's the catch, with Newt going down faster than a $2 welfare hooker, if Mitt can just make one big slip up somewhere Ron could easily step ahead and stay ahead in the media and spotlight enough to grab the nomination.
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Mitt
Newt
RP has zero chance.
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Mitt
Newt
RP has zero chance.
Perhaps RP has zero chance as long as the likes of Rush, Levin, and Hannity attempt to destroy the Republican Party and the conservative movement from the inside-out.
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Mitt has the best chance due to woman vote.
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RP deosn't have the money...nor would he have the backing of the Republican party at large. Most Cons are going to allow him to cut the military by 50% nor believe that he'll be able to cut the billions and governmental bodies that he'd like to. His domestic policy doesn't bother me in the least but his foreign policy is absurd.
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RP deosn't have the money...nor would he have the backing of the Republican party at large. Most Cons are going to allow him to cut the military by 50% nor believe that he'll be able to cut the billions and governmental bodies that he'd like to. His domestic policy doesn't bother me in the least but his foreign policy is absurd.
Depending on how he does in Iowa, NH, and SC, the money situation will change overnight - literally.
As to party backing, I agree that's a big "what if". Hugo made a good point when we were debating this earlier about the party not wanting to undercut their own candidate (assuming he wins) too much and I think that holds a lot of merit. But, RP's values don't match a lot of the party's values so it could still be a big problem.
And if Republicans hold the House and pick up the 4 or 5 they need in the Senate, then I definetely don't see them cutting defense in half.
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RP deosn't have the money...nor would he have the backing of the Republican party at large. Most Cons are going to allow him to cut the military by 50% nor believe that he'll be able to cut the billions and governmental bodies that he'd like to. His domestic policy doesn't bother me in the least but his foreign policy is absurd.
headhuntersix aka "let's continue instigating a religious war so we can keep gas prices down" thinks Ron Paul's foreign policy is absurd? LOL ::)
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Even though I like Ron Paul does the fact trouble anyone that he has never really run anything before? I mean we are seeing with obama the results of having no executive leadership at all and its a disaster. Reagan was governor, Clinton was a govenor, GWB, etc.
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Even though I like Ron Paul does the fact trouble anyone that he has never really run anything before? I mean we are seeing with obama the results of having no executive leadership at all and its a disaster. Reagan was governor, Clinton was a govenor, GWB, etc.
That's why it's a shame that the GOP shut out Gary Johnson... that said, I still rather have someone with no executive experience but with the right ideas than someone with extensive executive experience but the wrong ideas.
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Trick question... none of them have a chance..
Correctamundo
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Correctamundo
LOL. You obamabots are a hoot. In the latest poll, a huge won - 53% say he does not deserve a second term.
And what is he going to run on? Seriously? blaming bush? his disastrous record of failure? 4 more years? Of what? blaming ATM machines?
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LOL. You obamabots are a hoot. In the latest poll, a huge won - 53% say he does not deserve a second term.
And what is he going to run on? Seriously? blaming bush? his disastrous record of failure? 4 more years? Of what? blaming ATM machines?
all he has to do it beat whatever loser you idiots nominate
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all he has to do it beat whatever loser you idiots nominate
LOL - Its doent matter who the GOP nominates any more than the fact that a demo was going to win in 2008 regardless.
The bubble you obamabots live in is beyond laughable.
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LOL - Its doent matter who the GOP nominates any more than the fact that a demo was going to win in 2008 regardless. The bubble you obamabots live in is beyond laughable.
correct
because none of them can beat Obama
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Straw - what part of 53% say he does not deserve a second term do you still not grasp?
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RP deosn't have the money...
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None of these has a chance:
Bachman: Yes, she is a bat shit crazy religious nut job
Newt: Serial Adulter, shamed in politics and only appeals to dumb angry white men, dirty past.
Perry: Comes across a retarded form of BUSH who spent his way to economic recovery on paper
Ron Paul: Freaky left field ideas on foreign policy and some unattractive ideas to main stream voters on domestic policies
Cain: (who dropped out but worthy of mention as the GOP flavor of the month 2 months ago) left race to pursue signing career with his hit single: "Amazing Grace"
Romeny: Maybe, but not likely and it doesn't help that Newt is thrashing him and hurting the GOP in the process and comes across as a job killing corporate puppet.
Huntsman: Might have a good chance with independents if he can gain some momentum in the early spring.
Fact is, the 1st 4 are just a side show and an embarrassment to the GOP.
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http://news.yahoo.com/ap-gfk-poll-obama-election-odds-roughly-50-084041066.html
Straw - 53% say he does not deserve re-election. He will not have the turnout like he did last time as people stay home and you will also have a better GOP candidate and a rabid base who would vote for a serial killer over obama at this point.
One and done.
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Straw - what part of 53% say he does not deserve a second term do you still not grasp?
polls like that are meaningless, especially 12 months out from an election
only complete morons think they are significant
but then only the biggest moron in the world would think Obama is going to drop out of the race
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None of these has a chance:
Bachman: Yes, she is a bat shit crazy religious nut job
Newt: Serial Adulter, shamed in politics and only appeals to dumb angry white men, dirty past.
Perry: Comes across a retarded form of BUSH who spent his way to economic recovery on paper
Ron Paul: Freaky left field ideas on foreign policy and some unattractive ideas to main stream voters on domestic policies
Cain: (who dropped out but worthy of mention as the GOP flavor of the month 2 months ago) left race to pursue signing career with his hit single: "Amazing Grace"
Romeny: Maybe, but not likely and it doesn't help that Newt is thrashing him and hurting the GOP in the process and comes across as a job killing corporate puppet.
Huntsman: Might have a good chance with independents if he can gain some momentum in the early spring.
Fact is, the 1st 4 are just a side show and an embarrassment to the GOP.
LOL - I love how obama voters think this election will not include any discussion of Obamas record of disastyer, treason, failure, etc.
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polls like that are meaningless, especially 12 months out from an election
only complete morons think they are significant
but then only the biggest moron in the world would think Obama is going to drop out of the race
Really? even Carter did not have this bad bolling at this stage and look how that worked out? No one has had worse ratings at this point, and there is no evidence whatsoever to believe that the economy will rebound like it did for reagan. Remember too - Clintoon only won because of Ross perot. He got 43% remember? Obama is going to top out at max 46-48%
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polls like that are meaningless, especially 12 months out from an election
Says who? You? I'll trust Doug Schoen on this one.
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LOL - I love how obama voters think this election will not include any discussion of Obamas record of disastyer, treason, failure, etc.
It will all come out, not the treason deal because that's only for hate filled birther retards.
But that first 4 will lose versus OB. No way independents are going to vote to them.
any word on whether our "Protector of Freedom ::)" signed the NDAA?
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It will all come out, not the treason deal because that's only for hate filled birther retards.
But that first 4 will lose versus OB. No way independents are going to vote to them.
any word on whether our "Protector of Freedom ::)" signed the NDAA?
Fast and Furious? That is not treason to you?
and independents? llllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaaaaaaaaaaoooooooooo ooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama is at a 35% rating with them. Is there something in California drinking system that inhibits your collective ability to reason?
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Really? even Carter did not have this bad bolling at this stage and look how that worked out? No one has had worse ratings at this point, and there is no evidence whatsoever to believe that the economy will rebound like it did for reagan. Remember too - Clintoon only won because of Ross perot. He got 43% remember? Obama is going to top out at max 46-48%
Carter wasn't facing this cast of clowns, losers and charlatains that the GOP is running this year
Also, in spite of your delusions that Obama is trying to destroy the country, there are many people who will seem him as the only viable option next year.......just like they did in 2008
I know that you can't in any way comprehend that given your 24/7 fits of delusion so I won't even bother trying to explain it further
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Says who? You? I'll trust Doug Schoen on this one.
Obviously says me
who else would I be speaking for
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But that first 4 will lose versus OB. No way independents are going to vote to them.
That's why Iowa polls have shown that Ron Paul is the only candidate who would beat Obama if the election were held today?
Like I've been saying - the man has superior organization and the truth on his side. All he needs is funding to sufficiently mobilize his organization in all 50 states.
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Carter wasn't facing this cast of clowns, losers and charlatains that the GOP is running this year
Also, in spite of your delusions that Obama is trying to destroy the country, there are many people who will seem him as the only viable option next year.......just like they did in 2008
I know that you can't in any way comprehend that given your 24/7 fits of delusion so I won't even bother trying to explain it further
LOL!!!! Reagan was villified all the way until the end and led Reagan by as much as 10 points a few weeks out.
And Straw - again - you were utterly clueless and ignorant heasing in to the mid terms remember? The same will be next year when you morons are crying in a puddle of piss when obama is sent packing.
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true - carter was up against reagan and bush (and bush was probably a better qualified candidate with perfect resume, ppl just didn't like him as much as reagan).
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LOL!!!! Reagan was villified all the way until the end and led Reagan by as much as 10 points a few weeks out.
And Straw - again - you were utterly clueless and ignorant heasing in to the mid terms remember? The same will be next year when you morons are crying in a puddle of piss when obama is sent packing.
yeah but Reagan wasn't Nit Romney
btw - Reagan would have no chance in the current Republican Party.
You know that......right?
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Obviously says me
who else would I be speaking for
See - this is one of those things where expertise actually comes in handy. If someone who has worked on many campaigns and is a professional political strategist (Schoen) tells me that those polls are important, then I tend to believe him over some guy on the internet.
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Fast and Furious? That is not treason to you?
and independents? llllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm aaaaaaaaaaaaaaoooooooooo ooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama is at a 35% rating with them. Is there something in California drinking system that inhibits your collective ability to reason?
Doesn't matter what's happening on some fucking poll 12 months out. When it comes time to vote, I don't think Newt, Bachshit, RP, Perry will get it done. No way. Cast of clowns like Straw says.
Romney maybe, Huntsman probably.
As for treason, HAHAHAHAHAH you think that will stick to OB? doubt it. they are not even banging the impeachment drum.
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See - this is one of those things where expertise actually comes in handy. If someone who has worked on many campaigns and is a professional political strategist (Schoen) tells me that those polls are important, then I tend to believe him over some guy on the internet.
I'm not trying to convince you I'm right
I'm just giving you my opinion which you are free to consider or ignore
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I'm not trying to convince you I'm right
I'm just giving you my opinion which you are free to consider or ignore
So what makes you think you're right and Schoen is wrong? How many campaigns have you worked on? Are you a professional political strategist?
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Doesn't matter what's happening on some fucking poll 12 months out. When it comes time to vote, I don't think Newt, Bachshit, RP, Perry will get it done. No way. Cast of clowns like Straw says.
Romney maybe, Huntsman probably.
As for treason, HAHAHAHAHAH you think that will stick to OB? doubt it. they are not even banging the impeachment drum.
I think "on paper" Huntsmans was the GOP's best shot
He's got great credentials and experience, no major flip flops, no discernable character flaws, etc... given how low he has been in the polls (they didn't even let him participate in a recent debate due to his #'s) I think his chances of being the nomination are very very slim to zero
I do think he would do the best in debates with Obama but we'll never see it happen
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Huntsman is another moron. You can't start your campaign w mealy mouthed bs while you already have romney there and expect to rise.
Talk about stupid.
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So what makes you think you're right and Schoen is wrong? How many campaigns have you worked on? Are you a professional political strategist?
just to be clear, "professional political strategists" are often wrong
I think poll questions like this are meaningless, especially 12 months out
Regardless of whether someone thinks Obama deserves a second term they will still have to make a value judgement between Obama and whatever loser get's the GOP nomination (RP excepted - I don't think he's a loser but he has no chance).
People may not think Obama "deserves" a second term but they give him one anyway because he's the least repugnant choice
It's going to be no more complicated a choice than that.
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just to be clear, "professional political strategists" are often wrong
I think poll questions like this are meaningless, especially 12 months out
Regardless of whether someone thinks Obama deserves a second term they will still have to make a value judgement between Obama and whatever loser get's the GOP nomination (RP excepted - I don't think he's a loser but he has no chance).
People may not think Obama "deserves" a second term but they give him one anyway because he's the least repugnant choice
It's going to be no more complicated a choice than that.
Yeah - i'm sure women whose husbands cant find work, whose kids cant gert jobs, etc etc are going to vote for him again.
Ha ha ha.
Remember how wortheless those polls in 2010 were leading up to the midterms you ignred too? LOL
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Huntsman is another moron. You can't start your campaign w mealy mouthed bs while you already have romney there and expect to rise.
Talk about stupid.
you can only wish you were this much of a loser
Obama would have a hard time bashing the guy he chose as Ambassador to China
Huntsman is probably the only one who could match Obama on intellect, foreign policy, etc..
Jon Meade Huntsman, Jr. (born March 26, 1960) is an American politician and diplomat who served as the 16th Governor of Utah. He also served in the administrations of four United States presidents and is a candidate for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.[1]
Huntsman worked as a White House staff assistant for Ronald Reagan, and he was appointed by George H.W. Bush as the Deputy Assistant Secretary of Commerce and later as United States Ambassador to Singapore from 1992–1993. Huntsman served as Deputy United States Trade Representative under George W. Bush, launching global trade negotiations in Doha, Qatar in 2001 and guiding the accession of China and Taiwan into the World Trade Organization.
Huntsman has also served as CEO of his family's Huntsman Corporation and was elected Governor of Utah in April, 2004 and won re-election in 2008 with nearly 78% of the vote. While governor, he also served as chairman of the Western Governors Association and as a member of the Executive Committee of the National Governors Association. On August 11, 2009, he resigned as governor to accept an appointment as the United States Ambassador to the People's Republic of China.
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Any of them can beat Obama, but Romney has the best chance IMO.
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Huntsman is another moron. You can't start your campaign w mealy mouthed bs while you already have romney there and expect to rise.
Talk about stupid.
george will. eric erickson. WSJ.
The most conservative columnist, blogger & publication.
they all call Huntsman the most conservative candidate.
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Any of them can beat Obama, but Romney has the best chance IMO.
Bachmann?
Santorum?
Perry?
Newt?
Seriously man?
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george will. eric erickson. WSJ.
The most conservative columnist, blogger & publication.
they all call Huntsman the most conservative candidate.
And? I like Huntsman. However - his campaign message is ridiculous. his meally mouthed eddie hascal routine is a joke.
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And? I like Huntsman. However - his campaign message is ridiculous. his meally mouthed eddie hascal routine is a joke.
he's been trying to take the high road and be the "adult" among children (some of which are special needs kids)
the problem is that Republicans are a fractured party and there is no one that can bring them together
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he's been trying to take the high road and be the "adult" among children (some of which are special needs kids)
the problem is that Republicans are a fractured party and there is no one that can bring them together
LOL. Yeah - great message - sending love notes to obama.
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LOL. You obamabots are a hoot. In the latest poll, a huge won - 53% say he does not deserve a second term.
And what is he going to run on? Seriously? blaming bush? his disastrous record of failure? 4 more years? Of what? blaming ATM machines?
1st, I'm not a fan of Obama, you either keep forgetting or the facts don't matter
He is the man to beat. He has an advantage. Bush Jr got elected to a second term when we already knew Iraq was a bad decision. The Democrats just didn't have anything better to offer. Same here.
What will he run on? Likely.. "I got Osama". "I ended the war" " I'm better in a debate"
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1st, I'm not a fan of Obama, you either keep forgetting or the facts don't matter
He is the man to beat. He has an advantage. Bush Jr got elected to a second term when we already knew Iraq was a bad decision. The Democrats just didn't have anything better to offer. Same here.
What will he run on? Likely.. "I got Osama". "I ended the war" " I'm better in a debate"
"Its the economy stupid". additionally - Bush barely squeeked by for a second term, but the economy was doing ok.
and OBL? Who gives a damn a year from now?
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"Its the economy stupid". additionally - Bush barely squeeked by for a second term, but the economy was doing ok.
and OBL? Who gives a damn a year from now?
again, my opinion, Obama wins. Probably doesn't deserve it, but that has never been a factor anyway.
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again, my opinion, Obama wins. Probably doesn't deserve it, but that has never been a factor anyway.
irts amazing how people act like obama is god and some towering figure of intellect and strength. He is a complete joke, a farce, an economic illiterate, and a dishonest propagandist at best.
in 2008 - when literally everything possible went his way and he had no record - he won by 5 points against a horrible gop candidate.
Do the math. Obama is done.
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Only Paul can beat Obama. Paul will dig into the progressive vote but people like Newt will just rally the Obama vote even the progressives who are pissed at Obama. But Paul won't lose any republican votes. They'll vote for him because they hate Obama more than anything they've hated in their entire lives. With Obama losing 5 to 10 percent of the left to Paul, he doesn't stand a chance. With Newt it'll be another close race at best and Obama will have more money to spend.
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irts amazing how people act like obama is god and some towering figure of intellect and strength. He is a complete joke, a farce, an economic illiterate, and a dishonest propagandist at best.
in 2008 - when literally everything possible went his way and he had no record - he won by 5 points against a horrible gop candidate.
Do the math. Obama is done.
It's amazing how some people think Obama has to be a god to beat the current GOP candidates... He just has to have a pulse
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irts amazing how people act like obama is god and some towering figure of intellect and strength. He is a complete joke, a farce, an economic illiterate, and a dishonest propagandist at best.
in 2008 - when literally everything possible went his way and he had no record - he won by 5 points against a horrible gop candidate. Do the math. Obama is done.
no one this board has ever said that except you
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Only Paul can beat Obama. Paul will dig into the progressive vote but people like Newt will just rally the Obama vote even the progressives who are pissed at Obama. But Paul won't lose any republican votes. They'll vote for him because they hate Obama more than anything they've hated in their entire lives. With Obama losing 5 to 10 percent of the left to Paul, he doesn't stand a chance. With Newt it'll be another close race at best and Obama will have more money to spend.
Exactly... that's why polling has shown that if the vote were held today, Ron Paul would be the only Republican candidate to beat Barack Obama in Iowa. When the pollsters looked into why, they found that Ron Paul stole some of Obama's liberal base in the polling data.
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It's amazing how some people think Obama has to be a god to beat the current GOP candidates... He just has to have a pulse
LOL - and blame ATM machines and the internet for job losses right?
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LOL - and blame ATM machines and the internet for job losses right?
irrelevant..
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irrelevant..
Yeah - to obama voters who are largely comprised of economic morons, government workers who want to rape the taxpayer blind, welfare bums, public sector unions, drug addicts, 95% of blacks, and basically the tax vacuums of society.
to the average working person who actually gives a damn that the president have at least a 5th grade understanding of economics, it is a big deal that we have such an uneducated, illiterate, and grossly uninformed fool passing laws and regulations.
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Yeah - to obama voters who are largely comprised of economic morons, government workers who want to rape the taxpayer blind, welfare bums, public sector unions, drug addicts, 95% of blacks, and basically the tax vacuums of society.
to the average working person who actually gives a damn that the president have at least a 5th grade understanding of economics, it is a big deal that we have such an uneducated, illiterate, and grossly uninformed fool passing laws and regulations.
total nonsense
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total nonsense
Really? How - the entire Democrat party exists for one reason - suck taxpayers dry through govt unions, welfare bums, redistribution scams, public sector grants, etc.
Look at every stool of the democrat party - its a giant sucking sound of taxpayer dollars to someone else.
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Any of them can beat Obama, but Romney has the best chance IMO.
The first part of your reply is laughable, and then you end it in hypocrisy. Nice touch.
Why does it matter if Romney has the best chance if "any" of them could beat Obama? ::)
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Exactly... that's why polling has shown that if the vote were held today, Ron Paul would be the only Republican candidate to beat Barack Obama in Iowa. When the pollsters looked into why, they found that Ron Paul stole some of Obama's liberal base in the polling data.
That's actually not what the polling shows. The most recent poll I saw this week showed Romney and Obama in a statistical tie.
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http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx 42%
yeah - obama is so popular. ::) ::) ::)
Obama is only popular with the parasites of society. The corrupt banksters getting bailouts, the welfare bums, the govt worker unions, the drug addict, the college professor, etc.
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One and done.
Willing to make a bet on that?
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The first part of your reply is laughable, and then you end it in hypocrisy. Nice touch.
Why does it matter if Romney has the best chance if "any" of them could beat Obama? ::)
What the heck are you talking about? What hypocrisy?
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Willing to make a bet on that?
doubtful
I offered to bet him that Obama would not drop out of the race and he wouldn't do it
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doubtful
I offered to bet him that Obama would not drop out of the race and he wouldn't do it
It all depends on what comes out on Fast and Furious, which has already resulted in 200 deaths and the deaths of 2 border agents.
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The poll numbers as of December 8, 2011 for Iowa and New Hampshire...
(http://reason.com/assets/mc/eekins/2011_12/ronpaul/RonPaul_1.jpg)
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It all depends on what comes out on Fast and Furious, which has already resulted in 200 deaths and the deaths of 2 border agents.
you made the claim and were unwilling to put up some money in support of your claim
btw - what is with your habit of attributing rididulous beliefs to people (for example - Obama is their messiah) which they never said and then expressing shock and outrage that they "believe" such things
you do that all the time and it's Bizzaro
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you made the claim and were unwilling to put up some money in support of your claim
btw - what is with your habit of attributing rididulous beliefs to people (for example - Obama is their messiah) which they never said and then expressing shock and outrage that they "believe" such things
you do that all the time and it's Bizzaro
I said obama is the messiah because he claimed he was, those working for him claimed he was, and many of those supporting him said he was.
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I said obama is the messiah because he claimed he was, those working for him claimed he was, and many of those supporting him said he was.
no he didn't
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I said obama is the messiah because he claimed he was, those working for him claimed he was, and many of those supporting him said he was.
really? the messiah?...
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no he didn't
This is not messianic to you?
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really? the messiah?...
Ever read "Confidence Men" by Suskind? Probably not - anyway - his own staff often refers to him as "Black Jesus"
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Agreed with the trick question part. Each one makes Obama look even better. Bunch of losers over there.
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This is not messianic to you?
you serious??
This is your evidence he claims to be THE MESSIAH?
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What the heck are you talking about? What hypocrisy?
If any of them can beat Obama, why does Romney have the best chance? Makes no sense.
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If any of them can beat Obama, why does Romney have the best chance? Makes no sense.
If they can all beat him, they all have an equal chance..
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This is not messianic to you?
this video is what you're presenting as proof that Obama claimed himself to be a messiah?
dude - please get yourself to a hospital and get a complete neurological checkup
I'm not kidding
btw - how the fuck can you possibly be an attorney
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this video is what you're presenting as proof that Obama claimed himself to be a messiah?
dude - please get yourself to a hospital and get a complete neurological checkup
I'm not kidding
btw - how the fuck can you possibly be an attorney
been wondering that myself
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If any of them can beat Obama, why does Romney have the best chance? Makes no sense.
Because Mitterns actually has proven executive leadership in the private sector and what is needed right now is someone to lead on fixing problems, not running around with lighter fluid and spraying it on any fire he can find like obama does.
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you made the claim and were unwilling to put up some money in support of your claim
btw - what is with your habit of attributing rididulous beliefs to people (for example - Obama is their messiah) which they never said and then expressing shock and outrage that they "believe" such things
you do that all the time and it's Bizzaro
Exactly.
So 333 forget your little delusion that Obama is resigning and seeking a pardon. I am willing to bet that Obama wins the 2012 election. You claim he is one and done.
Bet?
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If they can all beat him, they all have an equal chance..
Exactly.
So the last part about Romney having the best chance is hypocrisy. Unless he didn't really believe what he typed prior with "any of them can beat Obama".
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Exactly.
So the last part about Romney having the best chance is hypocrisy. Unless he didn't really believe what he typed prior with "any of them can beat Obama".
Its just a matter of the amount.
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Exactly.
So 333 forget your little delusion that Obama is resigning and seeking a pardon. I am willing to bet that Obama wins the 2012 election. You claim he is one and done.
Bet?
I think he's one and done. What's the bet. 3 kids and I'm not a GB millioniare so let's not go crazy.
Maybe I ask Ron to change my name to Skip's a Bitch for a couple months and you change to Lurker's a bitch for a couple months.
Or a simple acknowledgment...
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been wondering that myself
this is one of 333's most bizarre traits
he'll often post a video and claim something was said and when you watch the video you see that nothing of the sort was said or in most cases even implied
It's a very strange habit, especially from someone who claims to be an attorney
333 - this is why I no longer bother watching any videos you post
what's the point?
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this is one of 333's most bizarre traits
he'll often post a video and claim something was said and when you watch the video you see that nothing of the sort was said or in most cases even implied
It's a very strange habit, especially from someone who claims to be an attorney
333 - this is why I no longer bother watching any videos you post
what's the point?
Straw: "We are the ones we have been waiting for" says what to you?
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Straw: "We are the ones we have been waiting for" says what to you?
my interpretation is that he saying don't expect me to do everything without your continued support and involvement
I can't see any way that anyone could watch that clip and claim the Obama is saying he is a messiah
I'm not kidding when I say you need to get a neurological check up
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my interpretation is that he saying don't expect me to do everything without your continued support and involvement
I can't see any way that anyone could watch that clip and claim the Obama is saying he is a messiah
I'm not kidding when I say you need to get a neurological check up
Go tell this author to do the same because he goes in to it much more than I do at the subliminal messaging behind everything obama does.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/obamas_messiah_shtick.html
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Hey Straw - even lefties with some honesty admit to what i am claiming.
http://motherjones.com/mojo/2008/02/barack-obamas-messiah-complex
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Go tell this author to do the same because he goes in to it much more than I do at the subliminal messaging behind everything obama does.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/03/obamas_messiah_shtick.html
I don't any more time to devout to such nonsense
I watched the video and gave you my interpretation
do you even know what a subliminal message is
do you think Obama is piping in audio below audible volume while making that speech
btw - your first claim was that he said it and there was nothing "subliminal" about it
you said that "Obama claimed he was the messiah".......period
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I don't any more time to devout to such nonsense
I watched the video and gave you my interpretation
do you even know what a subliminal message is
do you think Obama is piping in audio below audible volume while making that speech
btw - your first claim was that he said it and there was nothing "subliminal" about it
you said that "Obama claimed he was the messiah".......period
The mother jones article breaks it down, not that you care.
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Nothing messianic about this. ::) ::)
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If any of them can beat Obama, why does Romney have the best chance? Makes no sense.
Hypocrisy is not practicing what you preach. Nothing in my comments constitute hypocrisy, particularly when you put them in context.
The context is the question posed in this thread: which candidate has the best chance. I think that candidate is Romney. Because I think he has the best chance, that doesn't mean I think he's the only candidate who can beat Obama.
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If you really think Bachmann, Cain, or Perry could beat Obama, then we are stopping this conversation right now. Because I am not wasting time with someone who entertains foolish notions as those.
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If you really think Bachmann, Cain, or Perry could beat Obama, then we are stopping this conversation right now. Because I am not wasting time with someone who entertains foolish notions as those.
LOL - many of us still talk to you loons despite the fact that you still support obama in light of his blaming ATM machines for job losses.
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btw - how the fuck can you possibly be an attorney
been wondering that myself
this is one of 333's most bizarre traits
he'll often post a video and claim something was said and when you watch the video you see that nothing of the sort was said or in most cases even implied
It's a very strange habit, especially from someone who claims to be an attorney
333 - this is why I no longer bother watching any videos you post
what's the point?
It is pretty much a foregone conclusion now that he isn't. He can't answer simply yes or no questions, he can't refute anything with facts or stats and instead deflects, deny or tries to change the subject, and he imagines things that simply are not there and try to pass them off as solid fact.
Can you imagine a judge allowing behavior like this in his courtroom? I think not.
How can you even enter a courtroom when you sit on the computer all day long anyway is beyond me.
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I think he's one and done. What's the bet. 3 kids and I'm not a GB millioniare so let's not go crazy.
Maybe I ask Ron to change my name to Skip's a Bitch for a couple months and you change to Lurker's a bitch for a couple months.
Or a simple acknowledgment...
MCWAY and I just bet a simple acknowledgement. You and I can do the same.
333 however has been crying and bleating about this for months so let's see what he puts up since the 2012 is a foregone conclusion in his little world.
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If you really think Bachmann, Cain, or Perry could beat Obama, then we are stopping this conversation right now. Because I am not wasting time with someone who entertains foolish notions as those.
lol. No worries. It's only a message board. You rarely provide facts anyway. :)
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It is pretty much a foregone conclusion now that he isn't. He can't answer simply yes or no questions, he can't refute anything with facts or stats and instead deflects, deny or tries to change the subject, and he imagines things that simply are not there and try to pass them off as solid fact.
Can you imagine a judge allowing behavior like this in his courtroom? I think not.
How can you even enter a courtroom when you sit on the computer all day long anyway is beyond me.
Actually - had a busy morning in Bronx Supreme. got a judgment , plus legal fees for about 26k against a deadbeat plumber who screwed a plumbing supply house I represent. Got another judgment against a pofs who stole two road plates from another client. Got elgal fees on that too.
On my third case - had a pre-trial conference for a client owed about 50k from a developer for unpaid piping and fittings.
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lol. No worries. It's only a message board. You rarely provide facts anyway. :)
do you really think an obamabot is going to defend their support for obama on his record?
no - its all that they have convinced themselves that no matter how destructive or damaging obama is to the nation - that anyone would be worse - despite the fact that obama is a proven disaster.
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do you really think an obamabot is going to defend their support for obama on his record?
no - its all that they have convinced themselves that no matter how destructive or damaging obama is to the nation - that anyone would be worse - despite the fact that obama is a proven disaster.
No, I don't expect it. Very predictable responses.
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Why does every conversation have to turn from discussing the issue at hand to discussing whether or not 33 is whatever he claims to be. Seriously guys, does it matter? At all?
As I've said before, the people who care are seriously deranged - they see someone with opposing views and just want to pick them apart.
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Why does every conversation have to turn from discussing the issue at hand to discussing whether or not 33 is whatever he claims to be. Seriously guys, does it matter? At all?
As I've said before, the people who care are seriously deranged - they see someone with opposing views and just want to pick them apart.
Its all good. They cant defend the messiah or discuss an actual subject - so they resort to stalking me, calling me names, etc. I get it too, they are pissed off at how bad the obamunist has failed and need to lash out.
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Why does every conversation have to turn from discussing the issue at hand to discussing whether or not 33 is whatever he claims to be. Seriously guys, does it matter? At all?
As I've said before, the people who care are seriously deranged - they see someone with opposing views and just want to pick them apart.
Agree. Pretty ironic too.
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Agree. Pretty ironic too.
Andre lives near Bronx Supreme. I have asked him to meet me at court one day and he never takes me up on it. I asked him to go to NYSC in the Bronx, he wont. So i have given people opportunities, they just dont take them.
I missed Lurker since I was in Cali at the time, but it is what it is.
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The poll numbers as of December 8, 2011 for Iowa and New Hampshire...
(http://reason.com/assets/mc/eekins/2011_12/ronpaul/RonPaul_1.jpg)
You could present as many facts here as you like, it rarely goes far. No different then when Ron was talking about the Amercian economy going into the shitter before3 it happened and getting laughed at, or when he voiced his concerns about Americans being detained and getting laughed at or even about Iran, etc... most people figure it out when its too late and then they all talk about how they knew what was going on and how they tried to warn everyone.... ::)
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Why does every conversation have to turn from discussing the issue at hand to discussing whether or not 33 is whatever he claims to be. Seriously guys, does it matter? At all?
As I've said before, the people who care are seriously deranged - they see someone with opposing views and just want to pick them apart.
maybe because he always makes bogus claims (such as Obama claiming to be a messiah) and when he posts a video you see what the guy says is nothing of the sort and then he seems bewildered that no one "sees" what he does
everthing thread that he's involved in eventually goes off the rails because of his inability to determine fact from fiction
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maybe because he always makes bogus claims (such as Obama claiming to be a messiah) and when he posts a video you see what the guy says is nothing of the sort and then he seems bewildered that no one "sees" what he does
everthing thread that he's involved in eventually goes off the rails because of his inability to determine fact from fiction
I posted an article from mother jones saying that Obama uses messianic language all the time to try to create a messiah image. Go read it.
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maybe because he always makes bogus claims (such as Obama claiming to be a messiah) and when he posts a video you see what the guy says is nothing of the sort and then he seems bewildered that no one "sees" what he does
everthing thread that he's involved in eventually goes off the rails because of his inability to determine fact from fiction
He makes bogus claims... so the conversation immediately turns to what his job or career is, what he does with his personal life, what the quality of character is...?
Don't see the connection at all there.
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I posted an article from mother jones saying that Obama uses messianic language all the time to try to create a messiah image. Go read it.
bfd - it's an article written by some graduate studen who is expressing his opinion of a speech Obama gave after (i'm guessing) he won a primary (it was written in Feb 2008)
the point is that you said that Obama claimed to be a messiah and provided a video as proof that showed no such thing
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He makes bogus claims... so the conversation immediately turns to what his job or career is, what he does with his personal life, what the quality of character is...?
Don't see the connection at all there.
he can't seem to discern fact from fiction
you'd think a lawyer would be an expert in the definition of a fact
I honestly couldn't give a rats ass about what he does for a living but when he makes and absurd claim and then tries to offer a video as "proof" I expect to see the person in the video making the claim which 333 has said he did
I'd treat you the same way if you did the same thing
btw - what's your deal with 333? You got your panties in a twist about me calling him an asshole a couple of days ago and I told he he was an asshole and that he would agree with me that he was......which he did
you called my opinions about 333 a lie
how can my opinions about him be a lie unless you're suggesting that I don't believe my own opinions (we'll ignore the fact that he actually agreed with my opinion of him)
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bfd - it's an article written by some graduate studen who is expressing his opinion of a speech Obama gave after (i'm guessing) he won a primary (it was written in Feb 2008)
the point is that you said that Obama claimed to be a messiah and provided a video as proof that showed no such thing
Obama uses messianic language and imagery all the time. As a cult member yourself, you don't see it objectively. Whether it's claiming powers to halt the rise of the oceans, "we are the ones we have. Been waiting for", etc, the entire Obama image is to create a messiah, a mythical leader, etc.
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he can't seem to discern fact from fiction
you'd think a lawyer would be an expert in the definition of a fact
I honestly couldn't give a rats ass about what he does for a living but when he makes and absurd claim and then tries to offer a video as "proof" I expect to see the person in the video making the claim which 333 has said he did
I'd treat you the same way if you did the same thing
btw - what's your deal with 333? You got your panties in a twist about me calling him an asshole a couple of days ago and I told he he was an asshole and that he would agree with me that he was......which he did
you called my opinions about 333 a lie
how can my opinions about him be a lie unless you're suggesting that I don't believe my own opinions (we'll ignore the fact that he actually agreed with my opinion of him)
I'm just fucking tired of every thread being turned into "let's critique 33 and not the actual issues" discussion. It's repetitive and boring.
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Obama uses messianic language and imagery all the time. As a cult member yourself, you don't see it objectively. Whether it's claiming powers to halt the rise of the oceans, "we are the ones we have. Been waiting for", etc, the entire Obama image is to create a messiah, a mythical leader, etc.
LoL - what cult do you think I belong to ?
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I'm just fucking tired of every thread being turned into "let's critique 33 and not the actual issues" discussion. It's repetitive and boring.
I agree
boring as shit
hopefully 333 can just start being honest and I can stop pointing out that he's lying
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LoL - what cult do you think I belong to ?
Hooey Changey Cult.
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Hooey Changey Cult.
never heard of it
Howard would like you to get back to talking about the issues and stop with all the nonsense
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never heard of it
Howard would like you to get back to talking about the issues and stop with all the nonsense
Why do you think Obama would be better than Romney.
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He makes bogus claims... so the conversation immediately turns to what his job or career is, what he does with his personal life, what the quality of character is...?
Don't see the connection at all there.
Well, typically, and there of course are exceptions, attorneys tend to be factual people. I've dealt with hundreds over the years and rarely ..no never have I come across one that presents arguments as 333 does.. so while he may very well be an attorney, it would have the same effect as if a 1 legged man was telling us he dances as a back up for Usher. While he very well may.. it is extremely unlikely and at the very least odd. Which is why it is being brought up..
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Well, typically, and there of course are exceptions, attorneys tend to be factual people. I've dealt with hundreds over the years and rarely ..no never have I come across one that presents arguments as 333 does.. so while he may very well be an attorney, it would have the same effect as if a 1 legged man was telling us he dances as a back up for Usher. While he very well may.. it is extremely unlikely and at the very least odd. Which is why it is being brought up..
I made a similar observation a couple of years ago. I also have dealt with a lot of attornies and they tend to be very measured and precise in their speech, in control of their emotions and of course are very familiar with the definition of the word "fact". There are also a lot of shitty, scumbag lawyers at the lower rungs of the foodchain.
These people often have defects to their personality, intellect and emotions which render them unemployable so the only way they can work is to be self employed, usually doing the stuff that other lawyers can't be bothered with.
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I made a similar observation a couple of years ago. I also have dealt with a lot of attornies and they tend to be very measured and precise in their speech, in control of their emotions and of course are very familiar with the definition of the word "fact". There are also a lot of shitty, scumbag lawyers at the lower rungs of the foodchain.
These people often have defects to their personality, intellect and emotions which render them unemployable so the only way they can work is to be self employed, usually doing the stuff that other lawyers can't be bothered with.
I stand corrected.. you sir, are right.
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I stand corrected.. you sir, are right.
LOL considering you are no different than most of the disgusting "Law Enforcement" people I can't wait to see lose their pensions and benes when state budgets collapse due to the ponzi scam assumptions most of those defined benefit plans are based upon.
Not kidding - when you hear that loud voice on the sideline laughing when these pension scams all collapse - think of me.
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wow what an asshole.
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wow what an asshole.
Really? In NYS alone - we are yearly facing massive tax increases because the disgusting public sector unions refuse to curtail ot, benes, pension enhancements, etc. property taxes are highest in the nation with no end in sight.
Funny too ozmo - your moron state of Cali - has a thing called CALPERS that has now an 80% chance of default due to these bullshit defined benefit plans. And "independants' like yourself sit there in ignorance as to why erverything is collapsing? Beyond laughable.
Public sector unions, mostly fire, police, etc - are collapsing this nation and city budgets. The sooner we rid ourselves of these ponzi scams the better.
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You are still an asshole.
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You are still an asshole.
Yeah, I might be an asshole - but I am 100% correct. The public sector in this country is the main reason for our collapse. We face systemic collapse because we have made promises and accepted obligations that mathmateically are impossible to ever meet.
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Yeah, I might be an asshole - but I am 100% correct. The public sector in this country is the main reason for our collapse. We face systemic collapse because we have made promises and accepted obligations that mathmateically are impossible to ever meet.
No. Not even close. Something that needs to be addressed and changed, but not even close to the main reason.
And you ARE an asshole.LOL considering you are no different than most of the disgusting "Law Enforcement" people I can't wait to see lose their pensions and benes when state budgets collapse due to the ponzi scam assumptions most of those defined benefit plans are based upon.
Not kidding - when you hear that loud voice on the sideline laughing when these pension scams all collapse - think of me.
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No. Not even close. Something that needs to be addressed and changed, but not even close to the main reason.
And you ARE an asshole.
agreed - i can be a complete asshole. That being said - i see what the public sector union pieces of garbage have done where I grew up and it is awful. Highest taxes in the nation, tools ever increasing, OT abuse, etc etc etc.
The taxes are so high to keep funding these wortheless leeches that most young people have fled this nonsense. Being from Cali I would have thought you grasped this, but I guess not.
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agreed - i can be a complete asshole. That being said - i see what the public sector union pieces of garbage have done where I grew up and it is awful. Highest taxes in the nation, tools ever increasing, OT abuse, etc etc etc.
The taxes are so high to keep funding these wortheless leeches that most young people have fled this nonsense. Being from Cali I would have thought you grasped this, but I guess not.
No, not at all. I see the trouble with PSU's. But that's not the main reason this state or your state in is such a mess. It's money in politics combined with wasteful spending.
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No, not at all. I see the trouble with PSU's. But that's not the main reason this state or your state in is such a mess. It's money in politics combined with wasteful spending.
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Most of the money the govt spends in general is on labor and benes.
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lol. No worries. It's only a message board. You rarely provide facts anyway. :)
When common sense is used, one wouldn't need facts to see what a blind man couldn't miss.
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maybe because he always makes bogus claims (such as Obama claiming to be a messiah) and when he posts a video you see what the guy says is nothing of the sort and then he seems bewildered that no one "sees" what he does
everthing thread that he's involved in eventually goes off the rails because of his inability to determine fact from fiction
Exactly.
Yet he, nor the people making excuses for him ever address this point when brought up.
Why? Because trying to will only cement what the rest of us already know. He's a no life toolbag.
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Exactly.
Yet he, nor the people making excuses for him ever address this point when brought up.
Why? Because trying to will only cement what the rest of us already know. He's a no life toolbag.
Tell your boy Andre to meet me at Bronx Supreme any time.
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Most of the money the govt spends in general is on labor and benes.
Well i am sure you can back that up.
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Well, typically, and there of course are exceptions, attorneys tend to be factual people. I've dealt with hundreds over the years and rarely ..no never have I come across one that presents arguments as 333 does.. so while he may very well be an attorney, it would have the same effect as if a 1 legged man was telling us he dances as a back up for Usher. While he very well may.. it is extremely unlikely and at the very least odd. Which is why it is being brought up..
hahaha
And his only reply to this was to hope you lose your pension.
hahahahaha typical crying from the delusional shut in.
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Well i am sure you can back that up.
Where do you think most of the money goes? Salary and Benes for Employees is always the largest expense.
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Tell your boy Andre to meet me at Bronx Supreme any time.
So you can run to Cali with another fake family emergency again?
Don't worry. Come June I will be back for the Emergency Medicine seminar. You can prove everything to me then.
Or you can run and hide like you did last time.
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Where do you think most of the money goes? Salary and Benes for Employees is always the largest expense.
I am sure you have something you can show that shows where all the money goes.
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I am sure you have something you can show that shows where all the money goes.
Can we wager our accounts on it?
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Can we wager our accounts on it?
You never fucking put anything up when called out to wager on bullshit claims you make.
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Can we wager our accounts on it?
No need. I am not arguing saying i am right and you are wrong. I am asking because maybe i am mistaken and asking you to provide proof of your charge.
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No need. I am not arguing saying i am right and you are wrong. I am asking because maybe i am mistaken and asking you to provide proof of your charge.
Most state, city, and local budgets comprise mostly of salary, benes, and OT. Most of these costs are fixed and cant be curtailed. Hence - why therse pofs kerep raising taxes instead of cutting to the bones.
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Most state, city, and local budgets comprise mostly of salary, benes, and OT. Most of these costs are fixed and cant be curtailed. Hence - why therse pofs kerep raising taxes instead of cutting to the bones.
yeah ok, but show me something like graph or that shows where the money goes in the state of NY or Cali.
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yeah ok, but show me something like graph or that shows where the money goes in the state of NY or Cali.
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Bump
how about as a compromise he just shows you bunch of photosphopped/racist images of Obama
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LOL considering you are no different than most of the disgusting "Law Enforcement" people I can't wait to see lose their pensions and benes when state budgets collapse due to the ponzi scam assumptions most of those defined benefit plans are based upon.
Not kidding - when you hear that loud voice on the sideline laughing when these pension scams all collapse - think of me.
Man I hate to disappoint you but our retirement system is safe. We (disgusting law enforcement) here pay into our retirement a larger portion than the city contributes. We also handle and invest our own funds. But I appreciate your concern. Have a nice day
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Man I hate to disappoint you but our retirement system is safe. We (disgusting law enforcement) here pay into our retirement a larger portion than the city contributes. We also handle and invest our own funds. But I appreciate your concern. Have a nice day
You are in Texas so you are probably a little better off, however, in places like Cali, NJ, NY, the defined bene plans are collapsing the state budgets in trillions of dollars of unfunded obligations the taxpayers have to pay with no way to pay for it.
Most of these scams are predicated on 8% compounded rates of return for the benes paid out. The property taxes are skyrocketing all over the place while values go down just to keep this scam going and it is killing everything.
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yeah ok, but show me something like graph or that shows where the money goes in the state of NY or Cali.
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This is on the state level
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/opinion/06sun1.html?pagewanted=all
As for the municipal level - almost all the taxes go to pay wages and benes. In fact the coming shortfall for pensions alone is about 2-4 Trillion dollars.
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Mitt is probably the one Obama fears most. best overall organization, a safe vanilla alternative that doesn't want to offend anyone.
Mitt will be Pres Bush 1. A dork that does an effective job. Nothing stellar, he'll have his goof moments, but is very acceptable.
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Mitt is probably the one Obama fears most. best overall organization, a safe vanilla alternative that doesn't want to offend anyone.
Mitt will be Pres Bush 1. A dork that does an effective job. Nothing stellar, he'll have his goof moments, but is very acceptable.
the main selling point of Mitt in comparison with the other Repub candidates is that he is not batshit crazy or stupid or Ron Paul
that's it
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This is on the state level
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/opinion/06sun1.html?pagewanted=all
As for the municipal level - almost all the taxes go to pay wages and benes. In fact the coming shortfall for pensions alone is about 2-4 Trillion dollars.
Its only 1/5 of the state budget.
But i can see why you don't like what's going on.
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Its only 1/5 of the state budget.
But i can see why you don't like what's going on.
good like trying to change 333's broken brain with silly things like "facts"
it's not clear that he even knows what a "fact" actually is
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good like trying to change 333's broken brain with silly things like "facts"
it's not clear that he even knows what a "fact" actually is
Where do you think the money goes?
And as far as the pensions go - we have 3-4 Trillion in unfunded pension obligations - how is that going to get paid when public workers refuse concessions?
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Most of the money the govt spends in general is on labor and benes.
bump.
Still haven't quite seen it. the article said 1/5
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bump.
Still haven't quite seen it. the article said 1/5
I will dig it up. I know its a fact for municipal and city level govt. It would be interesting to see where the money goes in state govt.
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bump.
Still haven't quite seen it. the article said 1/5
http://www.calwatchdog.com/2011/12/06/city-workers-gorge-on-special-pay
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http://www.calwatchdog.com/2011/12/06/city-workers-gorge-on-special-pay
that just looks like basic corruption there and it figures that a city government would pay more to salaries because many other things might be paid for by the State.
But what about the state level or federal level?
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Where do you think the money goes?
And as far as the pensions go - we have 3-4 Trillion in unfunded pension obligations - how is that going to get paid when public workers refuse concessions?
I think you'll tell me it goes where ever you imagine it goes and then you'll insist it's a fact
btw - you failed my very simple intelligence test so there is not much point in trying to actually have an intelligent conversation with you.
sorry about that but it's clearly a waste of my time
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I think you'll tell me it goes where ever you imagine it goes and then you'll insist it's a fact
btw - you failed my very simple intelligence test so there is not much point in trying to actually have an intelligent conversation with you.
sorry about that but it's clearly a waste of my time
You voted for obama and plan to do so again - you are in no position to talk about anyone else as far as intelligence goes.
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You voted for obama and plan to do so again - you are in no position to talk about anyone else as far as intelligence goes.
I'm definitely in a position to determine if you're smart enough to be worth my time
I gave you a simple test based on a video that you posted
you failed the test
you're not smart enough for me to invest my time in conversation
If I'm bored I might want to waste my time but that's about it
sorry dude, I honestly expected you to easily pass the test but you didn't
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how about as a compromise he just shows you bunch of photosphopped/racist images of Obama
LOL + 1
Man I hate to disappoint you but our retirement system is safe. We (disgusting law enforcement) here pay into our retirement a larger portion than the city contributes. We also handle and invest our own funds. But I appreciate your concern. Have a nice day
LOL x 10
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that just looks like basic corruption there and it figures that a city government would pay more to salaries because many other things might be paid for by the State.
But what about the state level or federal level?
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/states-face-126-trillion-shortfall-in-funds-to-pay-retiree-benefits/2011/04/25/AFpprVmE_story.html
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/states-face-126-trillion-shortfall-in-funds-to-pay-retiree-benefits/2011/04/25/AFpprVmE_story.html
That doesn't support what you said:
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Most of the money the govt spends in general is on labor and benes.
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That doesn't support what you said:
Nothing ever does.
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That doesn't support what you said:
http://www.mvtimes.com/marthas-vineyard/article.php?id=5190
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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/12/business/central-falls-ri-faces-bankruptcy-over-pension-promises.html?_r=1&ref=business
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This is like the 5th time you tried to support your bullshit. LOL
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333333,
We weren't talking about towns we were talking about state governments.
Both those links had to do with cities and towns.
Please show me were state governments spend the mosto f its money on labor and benes.
Quote from: 333386 on December 19, 2011, 10:48:27 AM
Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
Most of the money the govt spends in general is on labor and benes.
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333333,
We weren't talking about towns we were talking about state governments.
Both those links had to do with cities and towns.
Please show me were state governments spend the mosto f its money on labor and benes.
I was wrong. I should have said town and city budgets. Difference is that State and Fed have social welfare programs whereas most town cities dont do it that way.
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Crash and burn baby.
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I was wrong. I should have said town and city budgets. Difference is that State and Fed have social welfare programs whereas most town cities dont do it that way.
no prob, good thing you didn't bet your account on it. :)
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Crash and burn baby.
STFU moron - the states have 2 Trillion in unfunded pension obligations fool.
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no prob, good thing you didn't bet your account on it. :)
You would have never collected the bet because he would have argued and ran in circles over and over chasing his tail.
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You would have never collected the bet because he would have argued and ran in circles over and over chasing his tail.
yeah, maybe. Actually if i did bet the parameters of the bet would have to be worked out first. but, i wouldn't ever bet my account over someone else. It's kind of stupid IMO, because it doesn't stop a person from creating another one and posting on it. However, losing my account might be a problem because i am a moderator.
But the bottom line here is:
State budgets are not mostly labor and benefits. And although many of those benefits are costing more than planned for its only a small part of the reason some states are in trouble.
Additionally, left unchecked, 333333 can be a nazi/commy level propaganda machine. Which is sad, considering there is no need to be.
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yeah, maybe. Actually if i did bet the parameters of the bet would have to be worked out first. but, i wouldn't ever bet my account over someone else. It's kind of stupid IMO, because it doesn't stop a person from creating another one and posting on it. However, losing my account might be a problem because i am a moderator.
But the bottom line here is:
State budgets are not mostly labor and benefits. And although many of those benefits are costing more than planned for its only a small part of the reason some states are in trouble.
Additionally, left unchecked, 333333 can be a nazi/commy level propaganda machine. Which is sad, considering there is no need to be.
LMFAO!!!! So why are state budgets in trouble ?
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LMFAO!!!! So why are state budgets in trouble ?
In general, over spending.
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In general, over spending.
On what?
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On what?
Lots of stupid programs, but really state revenue is down.
Here's graph that further shows how wrong you were:
(http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2011/03/img/publicsectorcompensation.jpg)
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Lots of stupid programs, but really state revenue is down.
Here's graph that further shows how wrong you were:
(http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2011/03/img/publicsectorcompensation.jpg)
LOL. Are you serious?
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LOL. Are you serious?
More serious than you were earlier when you were talking out of your ass again.
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More serious than you were earlier when you were talking out of your ass again.
States across the nation like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan Illinois, are all going broke why?
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States across the nation like Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan Illinois, are all going broke why?
is this why?
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Most of the money the govt spends in general is on labor and benes.
or is it that state revenue is at a low due to things like UE but state expenditures continue to stay the same or are higher?
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is this why?
or is it that state revenue is at a low due to things like UE but state expenditures continue to stay the same or are higher?
And why cant states lower spending?
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And why cant states lower spending?
States can whatever they vote themselves to do. Imagine though if money in politics wasn't an issue. Labor Unions couldn't donate, nor could corporations. No more, if i donate to your campaign then you'll green light the money for my project BS. State representatives are very similar to congressional representatives in that we no longer have a representative government. Our government is bought and paid for making the ideology conflict a side show that helps keep us distracted.
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States can whatever they vote themselves to do. Imagine though if money in politics wasn't an issue. Labor Unions couldn't donate, nor could corporations. No more, if i donate to your campaign then you'll green light the money for my project BS. State representatives are very similar to congressional representatives in that we no longer have a representative government. Our government is bought and paid for making the ideology conflict a side show that helps keep us distracted.
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idealogy has been the issue since the founding of this nation. You think if money was not in politics there would be no fights and wars over policies and what to do?
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idealogy has been the issue since the founding of this nation. You think if money was not in politics there would be no fights and wars over policies and what to do?
There should be, but the difference is money has made it less of an issue in regards to impact. its just a side show now, with druggie talking heads like rush stirring the pot while people like BUSH/OB turn away from their ideology in favor of money.
In other words, YES, there would be fights but at least these fights will not have money in them making the fights practically meaningless.
Just to make sure, because many times you get subject to your own BS propaganda, I am not saying:
You think if money was not in politics there would be no fights and wars over policies and what to do?
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But the bottom line here is:
State budgets are not mostly labor and benefits. And although many of those benefits are costing more than planned for its only a small part of the reason some states are in trouble.
No you're wrong.
I'm sure you want some magic link available via the internet, and if you have access to academic databases, I could probably provide that, but I've studied enough towards my Master's to know the majority is going to be salaries and benefits - just as with many private companies.
For most states, the largest expenditure is education - in fact, I would challenge you to point out a state where that isn't the case. There may be some, but I don't know of any. Of course, that figure will be somewhat skewed as it also includes capital outlays, but I've yet to see a new building(s) exceed salaries and benes. And, a good chunk of the capital outlay will go towards salaries and benes of the construction workers who win the bid.
Even if you look at healthcare, which is often a states second biggest expense, most of that will go to salaries and benes of the healthcare providers. Sure, some of that will go to medical equipment like a wheelchair, but the biggest expense will be for the salaries and benes of the healthcare workers. (or a portion - the way it typically works is a state has to cover what the feds won't, hence the rally against unfunded mandates).
State budgets predominately fund the executive branch and the overwhelming majority of that is salary and benes. The smaller part is admininistrative shit like building materials (a new HVAC system or something, etc.) and then whatever other capital outlays are necessary.
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Lots of stupid programs, but really state revenue is down.
Here's graph that further shows how wrong you were:
(http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2011/03/img/publicsectorcompensation.jpg)
We would need to know what was included with this and what was excluded, but in general I would agree that salaries and benes are not necessarily the cause of state fiscal problems. And given declining revenues, it stands to reason the salaries and benes would go down as well. This does not mean that salaries and benes are not the largest expenditure for a state.
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Skip bringing the pain.
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No you're wrong.
I'm sure you want some magic link available via the internet, and if you have access to academic databases, I could probably provide that, but I've studied enough towards my Master's to know the majority is going to be salaries and benefits - just as with many private companies.
For most states, the largest expenditure is education - in fact, I would challenge you to point out a state where that isn't the case. There may be some, but I don't know of any. Of course, that figure will be somewhat skewed as it also includes capital outlays, but I've yet to see a new building(s) exceed salaries and benes. And, a good chunk of the capital outlay will go towards salaries and benes of the construction workers who win the bid.
Even if you look at healthcare, which is often a states second biggest expense, most of that will go to salaries and benes of the healthcare providers. Sure, some of that will go to medical equipment like a wheelchair, but the biggest expense will be for the salaries and benes of the healthcare workers. (or a portion - the way it typically works is a state has to cover what the feds won't, hence the rally against unfunded mandates).
State budgets predominately fund the executive branch and the overwhelming majority of that is salary and benes. The smaller part is admininistrative shit like building materials (a new HVAC system or something, etc.) and then whatever other capital outlays are necessary.
Not really Skip, you don't typically talk out of your ass. So i don't necessarily need some magic link.
The conversation got started when 33333 stated that most of the budget goes to labor and benefits (specifically citing retirement, cost of living raises etc.)
I asked him to prove it and he couldn't and recanted his assertion.
So I looked around and found this graph that also coincides with a article 333 provided that said salaries and benefits are about 1/5 of state budgets:
(http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2011/03/img/publicsectorcompensation.jpg)
So these are expenditures from permanent employees i am assuming. i don't see how you can count the labor involved in a construction project when those people working there aren't employed by the state or are part of the states benefit plan.
It seems logical that the decrease in state revenue comes form the decrease in tax revenue from UE and underemployment.
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Skip bringing the pain.
Really 3333?
Learn to read better!
We would need to know what was included with this and what was excluded,but in general I would agree that salaries and benes are not necessarily the cause of state fiscal problems. And given declining revenues, it stands to reason the salaries and benes would go down as well. This does not mean that salaries and benes are not the largest expenditure for a state.
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In general, over spending.
decrease in revunue is also a factor
budget deficits at all levels (Federal, State, Muncipal) have been hit hard by a decrease in revenue due to the financial slowdown. When people lose their job they dont' pay taxes and draw UE. When they default on their home their property taxes don't get paid (big source of revenue for the states like CA which have been hit really hard by the RE market failure). Same effect with business failures.
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yeah, maybe. Actually if i did bet the parameters of the bet would have to be worked out first. but, i wouldn't ever bet my account over someone else. It's kind of stupid IMO, because it doesn't stop a person from creating another one and posting on it. However, losing my account might be a problem because i am a moderator.
But the bottom line here is:
State budgets are not mostly labor and benefits. And although many of those benefits are costing more than planned for its only a small part of the reason some states are in trouble.
Additionally, left unchecked, 333333 can be a nazi/commy level propaganda machine. Which is sad, considering there is no need to be.
the mods could attempt to something about this
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the mods could attempt to something about this
No way lol I don't get paid enough to turn this into: getbig.factcheck.org
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No way lol I don't get paid enough to turn this into: getbig.factcheck.org
you don't have to do it but you could warn him about spamming this board with bullshit
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We would need to know what was included with this and what was excluded, but in general I would agree that salaries and benes are not necessarily the cause of state fiscal problems. And given declining revenues, it stands to reason the salaries and benes would go down as well. This does not mean that salaries and benes are not the largest expenditure for a state.
I agree it's a graph with out details and we know how they can be skewed.
But doesn't it make sense? More people are unemployed, more underemployed, (in the private sector) so in the end less tax revenue is collected. combined that with no decrease in spending and presto! You have deficits.
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you don't have to do it but you could warn him about spamming this board with bullshit
Nah. if people are so subject to bush league BS they deserve it. And if they haven't figured out by now that 33333 often embellishes and talks out of his ass then they never will. And 33333 isn't the only person here that does that. Other people do to. It's no biggie really. I am not going to be the Bull Shit police 24/7.
Just every now and then. :)
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Not really Skip, you don't typically talk out of your ass. So i don't necessarily need some magic link.
The conversation got started when 33333 stated that most of the budget goes to labor and benefits (specifically citing retirement, cost of living raises etc.)
I asked him to prove it and he couldn't and recanted his assertion.
So I looked around and found this graph that also coincides with a article 333 provided that said salaries and benefits are about 1/5 of state budgets:
(http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2011/03/img/publicsectorcompensation.jpg)
So these are expenditures from permanent employees i am assuming. i don't see how you can count the labor involved in a construction project when those people working there aren't employed by the state or are part of the states benefit plan.
It seems logical that the decrease in state revenue comes form the decrease in tax revenue from UE and underemployment.
No, expenditures can be part-time or full-time people - you'd have to look at the budget. Sometimes they just use a whole or fraction of FTE (Full Time Employee), like 16.5 FTE's (or some such).
Yeah, now we're getting into the hazy "how do we want to look at things". PA's budgetary woes are kinda - sorta indicative. Pension funding, within the next 5 or 6 years, is going to have to jump (and huge).
One camp is going to tell you that greedy state workers are demanding too much, retiring too early, etc. They'll probably hit you with a school district where the average pay is well over the state average (we'll ignore that in order to have an average you have to have both a high and low).
Another camp is going to tell you that the pension has been underfunded since day 1, they are paid less in "real-wages" when inflation is factored in, the equation has been the same since whenever, etc. And given that pensions are typically underfunded, they'll hit you with the low numbers.
Most likely scenario - it will jump up, but no where near the hundreds of millions being projected.
IMO, when I've looked at the overall picture, the percentage changes for state workers are relatively the same just about across the board - hence my claim that I probably agree that state workers are not solely at fault. There's always room for improvement though. Most of us don't have pensions anymore and teachers can move to a 401K like the rest.
Projected numbers are some of the worst to look at. If you're evaluating a pension do they project people living to 75 or 95? What are they factoring for market returns on the pension money? What are they projecting inflation to be? It's a whole pain in the a$$.
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I agree it's a graph with out details and we know how they can be skewed.
But doesn't it make sense? More people are unemployed, more underemployed, (in the private sector) so in the end less tax revenue is collected. combined that with no decrease in spending and presto! You have deficits.
It makes sense, but most states can't run a deficit. I believe there are two who can, but most state constitutions forbid it. One way or another, they have to balance their sheets.
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Nah. if people are so subject to bush league BS they deserve it. And if they haven't figured out by now that 33333 often embellishes and talks out of his ass then they never will. And 33333 isn't the only person here that does that. Other people do to. It's no biggie really. I am not going to be the Bull Shit police 24/7.
Just every now and then. :)
so you deserve it too?
look how much time you wasted to just get this guy to attempt to post something to support his claim
I do undertand that you don't want to waste your time policing this board and I certainly don't blame you for that
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so you deserve it too?
look how much time you wasted to just get this guy to attempt to post something to support his claim
I do undertand that you don't want to waste your time policing this board and I certainly don't blame you for that
I am sorry what i mean by that "subject to" is really "buy into" so if they buy into his BS they deserve it.
I enjoy 3333 for the most part as well as 99% of the people on this board. So a lengthy exchange like that is no biggie. And because of that, along with Skips input i learned a little bit.
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I am sorry what i mean by that "subject to" is really "buy into" so if they buy into his BS they deserve it.
I enjoy 3333 for the most part as well as 99% of the people on this board. So a lengthy exchange like that is no biggie. And because of that, along with Skips input i learned a little bit.
gotcha
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For 333333 because he too stupid to comprehend basic English
We would need to know what was included with this and what was excluded, but in general I would agree that salaries and benes are not necessarily the cause of state fiscal problems. And given declining revenues, it stands to reason the salaries and benes would go down as well. This does not mean that salaries and benes are not the largest expenditure for a state.
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LOL. And when state budgets dont come back since the economy does not come back - at what point do salary, benes, pensions become an issue?
LOL. This is the funniest shit I have heard in a long time - especially from someone living in Cali.
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LOL. And when state budgets dont come back since the economy does not come back - at what point do salary, benes, pensions become an issue?
LOL. This is the funniest shit I have heard in a long time - especially from someone living in Cali.
You charge failed, and now you are back to you lame ass coward dance.
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You charge failed, and now you are back to you lame ass coward dance.
LOL - Vallejo Cali - do you live near there?
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LOL - Vallejo Cali - do you live near there?
man up, boy.
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man up, boy.
http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2011/01/21/more-on-states-going-bankrupt
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http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2011/01/21/more-on-states-going-bankrupt
more of your dumb bull shit antics. ::)
Sorry bro, you are now categorized as too tedious to deal with lately.
You have only strengthen's Straw point about you.
I am sure there is an aid package in NYS for remedial reading classes.
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Ozmo knows more than this guy who actually ran L.A.
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more of your dumb bull shit antics. ::)
Sorry bro, you are now categorized as too tedious to deal with lately.
You have only strengthen's Straw point about you.
I am sure there is an aid package in NYS for remedial reading classes.
LOL - coming from Cali - your insistance that worker pay and benes has little or no roll in the issues of their finances is so beyond ludicrous its not even dabatable.
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Public Employees' Cadillac Health Care Plans Are Bankrupting States And Localities
August 08, 2011
By Josh Barro
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With stimulus money running out and the economy stagnant, state and local governments are under severe financial strain. So how can states and localities continue to afford to pay for ultraexpensive health plans for their workers?
Some insist these “Cadillac” plans are a figment of the right-wing imagination. But in a new report just out from the Manhattan Institute, I show that employees of state and local governments get health benefits that are significantly more generous than is typical in the private sector. The average government worker earns $4.66 per hour in health benefits, compared to just $2.08 per hour in the private sector.
That’s partly because public employees are more likely to get health insurance through work. But even when you just compare workers getting health benefits, the average benefit is higher by $1,300 per year for a government worker taking single coverage, and $2,100 for family coverage.
Why are government benefits more expensive? Partly it’s because government workers tend to pay a smaller share of their insurance premiums - roughly 15%, rather than the 25% that is typical in the private sector. And partly it’s because the government plans tend to be plusher, with lower co-payments and deductibles and shorter waiting periods for coverage.
It hasn’t always been this way. As recently as 1996, there was almost no gap between the average health insurance premium in the public and private sectors. Since then, the cost of public employee coverage has grown at a pace 20% faster than in the private sector. While private employers have responded to runaway health care inflation by adjusting their health benefits, too many public employers have failed to adapt.
The situation in New York is particularly extreme. Most city workers pay no contribution at all toward their health insurance premiums. City and state workers are also eligible for free or heavily subsidized health benefits in retirement, including after they become eligible for Medicare - a benefit that is rare in the private sector.
Some states are making progress on containing costs. A new law drawn up by Gov. Chris Christie and legislative Democrats in New Jersey will significantly raise employee contributions for health insurance, particularly for higher-paid government workers. And the contract that Gov. Cuomo recently reached with the Public Employees Federation will bring similar changes for some public workers here in New York. Cost-saving reforms have also been enacted in Indiana, Massachusetts, Ohio and Wisconsin.
But at the municipal level in New York State, most public workers still pay little or nothing toward their own insurance. A recent report by the Citizens Budget Commission estimated that if New York City employees were required to pay 10% of insurance premiums for single coverage and 25% for family coverage - levels below the private sector average - the city would save $600 million per year, enough to pay thousands of teachers’ salaries.
Public employees should contribute on roughly the same terms seen in the private sector. But governments should also look for ways to reduce the total cost of health benefits. In Indiana, the state government has implemented “consumer-directed” health plans that are designed to encourage employees to be more cost-conscious when consuming health care. By decreasing usage, these plans have achieved roughly a 15% cost reduction, with the savings divided among the government and the workers.
Whatever reform path Mayor Bloomberg and others decide on, we can’t go on like this. We have seen at agencies like the MTA what happens when unsustainable labor costs run up against weak revenues - you get layoffs and deteriorating service. The Cadillacs are heading off a cliff.
Original Source: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/08/08/2011-08-08_public_employees_cadillac_health_care_plans_are_bankrupting_states_and_localitie.html
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LOL - coming from Cali - your insistance that worker pay and benes has little or no roll in the issues of their finances is so beyond ludicrous its not even dabatable.
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The fact that 333 is an American citizen makes me sick. He's a poor excuse for a human being.
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The fact that 333 is an American citizen makes me sick. He's a poor excuse for a human being.
Coming from a marxist stooge - fuck you and go live in NK or cuba you commie rat. Leave me alone and get your greedy fucking self out of pocket and bedroom.
You leftist parasites and leeches have no claim to my income or wealth.
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Coming from a marxist stooge - fuck you and go live in NK or cuba you commie rat. Leave me alone and get your greedy fucking self out of pocket and bedroom.
You leftist parasites and leeches have no claim to my income or wealth.
Haha your income and wealth is because of me and all the other Americans. Don't believe me? Go live on an isolated island and tell me how much you get "paid" fu*k head.
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Haha your income and wealth is because of me and all the other Americans. Don't believe me? Go live on an isolated island and tell me how much you get "paid" fu*k head.
Moron - tell me what you did to add to my wealth and income that you feel you have a claim to it.
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Crybaby, go find another thread to pollute because Ozmo just destroyed you completely here.
Best to let it go and have this one fall off the front page of the board now.
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Crybaby, go find another thread to pollute because Ozmo just destroyed you completely here.
Best to let it go and have this one fall off the front page of the board now.
LOL - he posted one bogus graph and nothing else and you call that owning?
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man up, boy.
good luck with that
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You lost. Which after all the times it happened to you, you should be familiar with having someone's foot up your ass.
Move long. Stop trying to deflect and backpedal.
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LOL - he posted one bogus graph and nothing else and you call that owning?
Show without your typical lame BS tactics why it wasn't good.
Hell, you posted 4 links to articles claiming they showed labor and benes were most of the sate budgets. It wasn't unlit much haggling you finally admitted your folly. And then you claimed these labor and benes were the cause and one very well respected poster didn't agree with you. So if that isn't getting your BS rammed up your ass i don't know what is.
You are either just an idiot or you know very well how tedious you dumb ass tactics are and have no problem wasting other people time with you ignorant stalker obsessions.
Can you just quit it with you dumb ass shit and converse like a normal human being?
Everything is not a propaganda war here.
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Show without your typical lame BS tactics why it wasn't good.
Hell, you posted 4 links to articles claiming they showed labor and benes were most of the sate budgets. It wasn't unlit much haggling you finally admitted your folly. And then you claimed these labor and benes were the cause and one very well respected poster didn't agree with you. So if that isn't getting your BS rammed up your ass i don't know what is.
You are either just an idiot or you know very well how tedious you dumb ass tactics are and have no problem wasting other people time with you ignorant stalker obsessions.
Can you just quit it with you dumb ass shit and converse like a normal human being?
Everything is not a propaganda war here.
LOL. Ok - genius - since you disagree that states are in trouble because of worker pay and benes and pensions - what sdo you think is the problem?
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LOL. Ok - genius - since you disagree that states are in trouble because of worker pay and benes and pensions - what sdo you think is the problem?
We already talked about this. Stop acting dumb. I am starting to lose my patience with your crap. Go back and read the previous pages. specifically my exchanges with Skip, and the one i increased to 30pt.
Additionally, if you can remember as far as yesterday, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and i never claimed i was a expert here at any time asking you to show me. You on the other hand demonstrated just how twisted and brainwashed you are.
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Moron - tell me what you did to add to my wealth and income that you feel you have a claim to it.
Not me, America. We can get into the nitty gritty of who owes how much of what, but the fact that can not be changed is your earned wealth is a direct result of the American people not just your own hard work. This foolish idea you and coach have that you are "self made" is a fairy tale. You want to be "self made" and owe no one? Go live on an island Robinson Crusoe. Then you are self made. But as long as you are apart of America and apart of American society you DO OWE America something.
How much that is is the question to be answered. Not whether or not you do.
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Not me, America. We can get into the nitty gritty of who owes how much of what, but the fact that can not be changed is your earned wealth is a direct result of the American people not just your own hard work. This foolish idea you and coach have that you are "self made" is a fairy tale. You want to be "self made" and owe no one? Go live on an island Robinson Crusoe. Then you are self made. But as long as you are apart of America and apart of American society you DO OWE America something.
How much that is is the question to be answered. Not whether or not you do.
exactly.
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Show without your typical lame BS tactics why it wasn't good.
Hell, you posted 4 links to articles claiming they showed labor and benes were most of the sate budgets. It wasn't unlit much haggling you finally admitted your folly. And then you claimed these labor and benes were the cause and one very well respected poster didn't agree with you. So if that isn't getting your BS rammed up your ass i don't know what is.
You are either just an idiot or you know very well how tedious you dumb ass tactics are and have no problem wasting other people time with you ignorant stalker obsessions.
Can you just quit it with you dumb ass shit and converse like a normal human being?
Everything is not a propaganda war here.
^^^ Getting out the giant dildo
We already talked about this. Stop acting dumb. I am starting to lose my patience with your crap. Go back and read the previous pages. specifically my exchanges with Skip, and the one i increased to 30pt.
Additionally, if you can remember as far as yesterday, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and i never claimed i was a expert here at any time asking you to show me. You on the other hand demonstrated just how twisted and brainwashed you are.
^^^ Covering it in broken glass
Not me, America. We can get into the nitty gritty of who owes how much of what, but the fact that can not be changed is your earned wealth is a direct result of the American people not just your own hard work. This foolish idea you and coach have that you are "self made" is a fairy tale. You want to be "self made" and owe no one? Go live on an island Robinson Crusoe. Then you are self made. But as long as you are apart of America and apart of American society you DO OWE America something.
How much that is is the question to be answered. Not whether or not you do.
^^^ Ramming it home
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We already talked about this. Stop acting dumb.[/b][/u] I am starting to lose my patience with your crap. Go back and read the previous pages. specifically my exchanges with Skip, and the one i increased to 30pt.
Additionally, if you can remember as far as yesterday, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, and i never claimed i was a expert here at any time asking you to show me. You on the other hand demonstrated just how twisted and brainwashed you are.
good luck with that too
I don't think it's an act
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exactly.
Oh really comrad? Show me where in the USC we have shared wealth and you get the righ tto claim my wealth and earning by virtue of that pablum?
What I make or earn is none of your damn business or claim.
fucking leeches.
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^^^ Getting out the giant dildo
^^^ Covering it in broken glass
^^^ Ramming it home
I have the obligation to jury duty, sign up for selective service, and pay taxes. Other than that - you leeches and greedy marxists can fuck off.
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Oh really comrad? Show me where in the USC we have shared wealth and you get the righ tto claim my wealth and earning by virtue of that pablum?
What I make or earn is none of your damn business or claim.
fucking leeches.
:-*
Awwwwwww Poor baby. :D :)
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Oh really comrad? Show me where in the USC we have shared wealth and you get the righ tto claim my wealth and earning by virtue of that pablum?
What I make or earn is none of your damn business or claim.
fucking leeches.
Look at pro bodybuilders and then extrapolate the number of uneducated deadbeats in their ranks to this board and you'll realize why there are so many leeches on here.
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WAKE UP: There's A 82% Chance That California's Public Pension System Will Run Out Of Money
Gus Lubin | Dec. 17, 2011, 11:39 AM | 6,478 | 59
California's pension system is living in a fantasy world where investment returns average 12.5% annually and there's enough money for everyone.
Unfortunately that's not going to happen. A big study from Stanford Professor Joe Nation along with California Common Sense analyzed the need for major cuts to CalPERS, CalSTRS and UCRP.
The largest union, CalPERS, has a 82% chance of a budget shortfall in the next 16 years.
More highlights via Eric Savitz at Forbes:
The June funded ratio, which measures assets to liabilities. is only 74% for CalPERS even using a high-rate of return assumption for its investments. Assume a 6.2% return, and the funded ratio drops to 58%. On the same basis, the funded status is 60% for CalSTRS and 72% for UCRP.
The total unfunded liability for all three systems is close to $300 billion at a 6.2% rate of return; assume a 7.75% return and the shortfall is still $142.6 billion, “or nearly $12,000 per California household.” Using a low-risk discount rate, and the total unfunded liability balloons to $498 billion.
The reports contends it is “highly unlikely” the funds can invest their way out of the issue; to do that, CalPERS would have to average 12.5% a year for 16 years.
Every day California delays major reform — screw the legal obstacles — costs $3.4 million.
Would you sleep soundly with these odds?
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/calpers-shortfall-probability-2011-12#ixzz1hHJhuhP0
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Nothing to worry about here!!!
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Oh really comrad? Show me where in the USC we have shared wealth and you get the righ tto claim my wealth and earning by virtue of that pablum?
What I make or earn is none of your damn business or claim.
fucking leeches.
Woooosh right over your head.
It's not a Marxist principal but one that Capitalism needs to work - equality of opportunity must exist. If you don't pay a sufficient amount of tax then the next generation doesn't benefit from the same opportunities you did do they? What you end up with is inequality and disillusionment with the system. Sound familiar to the current predicament. So whether you like it or not, you have benefited from years of Americans paying their taxes so you have roads, schools, police, and so forth. To claim that you owe nothing towards this is not only false but anti-capitalist at its core. Capitalism relies on fair and free agreements, what you wish for is a system where you get yours and everyone else can go fu*k themselves. Adam Smith would be ashamed.
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Woooosh right over your head.
It's not a Marxist principal but one that Capitalism needs to work - equality of opportunity must exist. If you don't pay a sufficient amount of tax then the next generation doesn't benefit from the same opportunities you did do they? What you end up with is inequality and disillusionment with the system. Sound familiar to the current predicament. So whether you like it or not, you have benefited from years of Americans paying their taxes so you have roads, schools, police, and so forth. To claim that you owe nothing towards this is not only false but anti-capitalist at its core. Capitalism relies on fair and free agreements, what you wish for is a system where you get yours and everyone else can go fu*k themselves. Adam Smith would be ashamed.
That giant glass covered dildo is a complete blur going in and out of that toolbag.
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That giant glass covered dildo is a complete blur going in and out of that toolbag.
Sorry Licker - I believe in individual rights, not collective responsibilities.
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You also believe in wacked out delusions, imaginary girlfriends, and living 24/7 on the internet. Easy to say no one gives a shit what you believe in.
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You also believe in wacked out delusions, imaginary girlfriends, and living 24/7 on the internet. Easy to say no one gives a shit what you believe in.
isn't 333 the yenta who is costantly harping on Michelle Obama's big ass while at the same time claiming he likes women with big assess. Something is not adding up
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isn't 333 the yenta who is costantly harping on Michelle Obama's big ass while at the same time claiming he likes women with big assess. Something is not adding up
NOTHING with him ever adds up. That's what happens when you are fake and have to live a fake little internet life to justify being a sorry shut in.
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Lol. Ask your boy andre to meet me at bronx court or nysc any time.
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Woooosh right over your head.
It's not a Marxist principal but one that Capitalism needs to work - equality of opportunity must exist. If you don't pay a sufficient amount of tax then the next generation doesn't benefit from the same opportunities you did do they? What you end up with is inequality and disillusionment with the system. Sound familiar to the current predicament. So whether you like it or not, you have benefited from years of Americans paying their taxes so you have roads, schools, police, and so forth. To claim that you owe nothing towards this is not only false but anti-capitalist at its core. Capitalism relies on fair and free agreements, what you wish for is a system where you get yours and everyone else can go fu*k themselves. Adam Smith would be ashamed.
This a perfect way to put into word what I never could...
Its about freedom and fairness for opportunity, not fairness by way of gov control and redistribution of wealth.
I like the way you put it.
I feel everyone should have the same opportunities; those that work hard, are gifted, or both, will rightfully reap the benefits and naturally will become successful, those that dont; wont. (and they shouldnt) And the government should be there to make sure that those that try and work the system and deprive others of their rights or success they have worked to achieve, or try to do nothing and reap the benefits put into place for those in real need.. The governments purpose should be to maintain the balance and keep people from becoming tyrants over their fellow man, or from doing nothing and leech off others.
Thanks for that.
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correct
because none of them can beat Obama
Lol. Gallup has Romney up by three. RAS is tied. Mason Dixon money is up. And as things in the economy keep getting worse Barack Hindemberg Obama will poll even lower.
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Lol. Gallup has Romney up by three. RAS is tied. Mason Dixon money is up. And as things in the economy keep getting worse Barack Hindemberg Obama will poll even lower.
INTRADE has Romney at 39% chance to win the US Presidency.
They're a global betting agency. They're based upon knowledge of ppl all over the world, people who don't just get their info from FOX or MSNBC. People willing to put millions of $ where their mouth is, and who don't change their vote by the week based upon the latest abortion polling data or gay marriage nonsense.
Once Romney hits 51% on Intrade, I'll admit Obama's screwed. But as long as he's 57 to 60% on Intrade, where people put their $ where their mouth it...
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Intrade?? Bwahahahahahaha! ;D
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Intrade?? Bwahahahahahaha! ;D
They were correct about Obama vs. McCain and Bush vs. Kerry.
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Intrade?? Bwahahahahahaha! ;D
They have a good track record. They're less about "oh, i'm mad that kerry dbag is windsurfing" and more about how things really work in the world.
Those people put millions of $ down on their beliefs, and have access to info that our media doesn't always show us.
Intrade is serious business. If they say romney had a 39% chance of winning, they are right. They're taking the politics OUT of things, and just basing it on statistics, probability and reality. ANd since they have a track record of being right, while getbiggers are usually based solely on emotion and "oh, gallup moved 2 points, its all over " (myself included).... I tend to trust them more than msnbc's latest tracking poll.
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They have a good track record. They're less about "oh, i'm mad that kerry dbag is windsurfing" and more about how things really work in the world.
Those people put millions of $ down on their beliefs, and have access to info that our media doesn't always show us.
Intrade is serious business. If they say romney had a 39% chance of winning, they are right. They're taking the politics OUT of things, and just basing it on statistics, probability and reality. ANd since they have a track record of being right, while getbiggers are usually based solely on emotion and "oh, gallup moved 2 points, its all over " (myself included).... I tend to trust them more than msnbc's latest tracking poll.
240 - yes or no - would obama getting a second term be a good thing or bad thing for the nation
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240 - yes or no - would obama getting a second term be a good thing or bad thing for the nation
it would be a bad thing for the nation. just like the ryan plan.
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it would be a bad thing for the nation. just like the ryan plan.
Stop kissing ass to the neo-cons ;)
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Stop kissing ass to the neo-cons ;)
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What will obama do any differently in a second term that he already hasnt done? Seriously - you expect him to move to the center and get shit done? FNG please - he will go even more to the radical crazy shit without facing another election.