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Bad president or worst president? Discuss.
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How has his policies(or any president's) affected you personally? I bet they haven't at all. :P
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Him and Jimmy Carter for worst, in no particular order.
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Bad. But his presidency really has to be judged in a historical context, so I think it's way too early to tell if it can be considered the worst.
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Bad... definitely a few worse.
He's certainly not good.
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Bad. Will compete for worst ever by the time it is all said and done. Inherited a mess and made it worse. Much worse.
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When you start adding bad on top of the last bad and that's been going on for a while then yea, he's the worst but he's not behind everything that made him the worst. We need a president that's going to actually put a hault to the bullshit. We don't need worse than Obama, we need Ron Paul.
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we need ron paul.
newt and mitt will do very little to change where obama leaves them.
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Bad. Will compete for worst ever by the time it is all said and done. Inherited a mess and made it worse. Much worse.
I just dont get this statement..
If we were in a declared recession (by definition) when he took over... and we are out of the recession (by definition) right now,
Just how is it "much worse"..
This is a question for Beach
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I just dont get this statement..
If we were in a declared recession (by definition) when he took over... and we are out of the recession (by definition) right now,
Just how is it "much worse"..
This is a question for Beach
more like a global financial meltdown which continues to have reverberations presently and will continue into the forseeable future.
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more like a global financial meltdown which continues to have reverberations presently and will continue into the forseeable future.
i just want to see the explanation of Way worse. Or like BF says "100 times worse"
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I just dont get this statement..
If we were in a declared recession (by definition) when he took over... and we are out of the recession (by definition) right now,
Just how is it "much worse"..
This is a question for Beach
LOL!!!!
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i just want to see the explanation of Way worse. Or like BF says "100 times worse"
You're still hanging on that, eh?
Is this country better off than it was before Obama? That's a definitive no.
You're welcome to hang onto that meaningless definition of a recession, too. We're in a depression and U6 in excess of 18% tells me most Americans don't care about what you want to call it.
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3333 i didn't ask you as i knew you wouldn't have the brain power to discuss this in your own terms. So please explain in your own terms how Obama Deepened the declared recession to make it further a declared recession or shut the absolute fuck up.
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You're still hanging on that, eh?
Is this country better off than it was before Obama? That's a definitive no.
You're welcome to hang onto that meaningless definition of a recession, too. We're in a depression and U6 in excess of 18% tells me most Americans don't care about what you want to call it.
I simply laugh out loud at posts like that. It takes a seriously demented fool to not grasp how much worse off we are right now.
Labor force particpation rate, aggreagate labor pool, amounts on social assistance, amounts in the U^, amounts who dropped off the radar, dramatically lower birth rate, et al.
Only a delusional obamabot thinks that is ok. They are a sad pathetic reflection of just how ignorant and incompetent the general population is.
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3333 i didn't ask you as i knew you wouldn't have the brain power to discuss this in your own terms. So please explain in your own terms how Obama Deepened the declared recession to make it further a declared recession or shut the absolute fuck up.
LOL!!!! Bro - are you drunk? THINGS ARE WORSE NOW THAN WHEN WE CAME INTO OFFICE BNY ALMOST ALL MEASURES ASSHOLE!
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333 seems to believe that when Obama got in office he was given a clean slate
he did not have to pay the interest on the debt accumulated by his predecessors
he did not have to continue the wars, bailouts, etc.. started by his predecessors
he didn't have to deal with a crashing GDP (much worse than we even knew at the time) or hemorrhaging unemployment
None of the actions of the prior 30 years are baked into the #'s
It all belongs to Obama
That's 333 Economics
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You're still hanging on that, eh?
Is this country better off than it was before Obama? That's a definitive no.
You're welcome to hang onto that meaningless definition of a recession, too. We're in a depression and U6 in excess of 18% tells me most Americans don't care about what you want to call it.
And tell me how the recession isn't to blame for the unemployment but Obama is. Like i said. Im all for attributing his mistakes to him. But what i refuse to do is take a mob mentality and pile on unsubstantiated bullshit.
Obama care is pure shit
Gitmo is still open
Being a bitch about the tax breaks
But i cant say he did anything that the natural course of a recession didn't cause.
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333 seems to believe that when Obama got in office he was given a clean slate
he did not have to pay the interest on the debt accumulated by his predecessors
he did not have to continue the wars, bailouts, etc.. started by his predecessors
he didn't have to deal with a crashing GDP (much worse than we even knew at the time) or hemorrhaging unemployment
None of the actions of the prior 30 years are baked into the #'s
It all belongs to Obama
That's 333 Economics
Boofuckinghoo. As if Obama is the only potus to enter officd in troubling economic times. ::)
God damn are you pathetic.
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LOL!!!! Bro - are you drunk? THINGS ARE WORSE NOW THAN WHEN WE CAME INTO OFFICE BNY ALMOST ALL MEASURES ASSHOLE!
Then why arent we in a declared recession..
its simple
if he came in.. and we were in a recession... like a declared one by the people who determine such things
if we were worse, we would be in a deeper recession as declared by the people who determine it..
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LOL!!!!
Bump for refutation of these stats.
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Boofuckinghoo. As if Obama is the only potus to enter officd in troubling economic times. ::)
God damn are you pathetic.
What is the natural course in terms of duration of time of a recession that began on 2008.
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And tell me how the recession isn't to blame for the unemployment but Obama is. Like i said. Im all for attributing his mistakes to him. But what i refuse to do is take a mob mentality and pile on unsubstantiated bullshit.
Obama care is pure shit
Gitmo is still open
Being a bitch about the tax breaks
But i cant say he did anything that the natural course of a recession didn't cause.
Obama and his lackeys have perpetuated the current economic environment through their actions, thus they are being held accountable.
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Then why arent we in a declared recession..
its simple
if he came in.. and we were in a recession... like a declared one by the people who determine such things
if we were worse, we would be in a deeper recession as declared by the people who determine it..
bump for refutation of this fact
we were in a recession
we arent any more
as determined by the agency that declares such a status
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Boofuckinghoo. As if Obama is the only potus to enter officd in troubling economic times. ::)
God damn are you pathetic.
I know Boo Hoo
Let's still just pretend Obama did it all himself
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Then why arent we in a declared recession..
its simple
if he came in.. and we were in a recession... like a declared one by the people who determine such things
if we were worse, we would be in a deeper recession as declared by the people who determine it..
Can you make sense of these charts or do you need it explained to you?
Additionally - the measure of techincal recession includes Govt spending and other bogus nonsense that they goosed with the trillions of dollars they spent on bullshit. Why do you think GDP keeps getting revised downward?
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Can you make sense of these charts or do you need it explained to you?
Additionally - the measure of techincal recession includes Govt spending and other bogus nonsense that they goosed with the trillions of dollars they spent on bullshit. Why do you think GDP keeps getting revised downward?
You're totally changing the world with all these posts. It makes sense that you don't work.
You're such a revolutionary thinker.
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bump for refutation of this fact
we were in a recession
we arent any more
as determined by the agency that declares such a status
Unbelievable. At a certain point you hit rock bottom and are supposed to have a recovery, which so far we dont have all while most states are growing drastically worse.
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You're totally changing the world with all these posts. It makes sense that you don't work.
You're such a revolutionary thinker.
And you are a gay obamabot with TBI. And since when is socialism/communism something new that you fools buy in to?
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Obama and his lackeys have perpetuated the current economic environment through their actions, thus they are being held accountable.
So no such explanation as to why the agency that declared us to be in a recession is had declared us not to be in a recession and how that equates us to being worse off economically.
Alls i want is an explanation. I have already stated my gripes with Obama. Now if you can explain this I might have one more, but at this juncture it just doesn't add up.
Now BF, i know you're a smart guy, much smarter than this 333 character, so just give me in real terms, factually, how we are worse financially now than in 2008 and how Obama had directly effect such economic standing.
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And you are a gay obamabot with TBI. And since when is socialism/communism something new that you fools buy in to?
I still don't get what's funny about TBI.
I'm not offended by the statement, I just don't see any humor in it.
Why do you hate America?
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So no such explanation as to why the agency that declared us to be in a recession is had declared us not to be in a recession and how that equates us to being worse off economically.
Alls i want is an explanation. I have already stated my gripes with Obama. Now if you can explain this I might have one more, but at this juncture it just doesn't add up.
Now BF, i know you're a smart guy, much smarter than this 333 character, so just give me in real terms, factually, how we are worse financially now than in 2008 and how Obama had directly effect such economic standing.
LOL!!!!! Tell me you are joking! ! ! !
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LOL!!!!! Tell me you are joking! ! ! !
as funny as 5000 miles from NY to LA
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Even after Obama wins a second term he's going to have a hard time matching the record of 333's Messiah
Obama's deficit includes debt ranked up by the great Republican Messiah
The last real president we had. The present ghetto looting grifter is a disgrace. fuck him and every dirtbag who voted for him.
Let's look at some of the heroic actions of your Messiah and Personal Saviour
1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.
2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the deficit under control.
3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980′s did little help them. “Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,” the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.
4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.
5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose. As governor of California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When Reagan ran for president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.
6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.” He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” “This vision stemmed from the president’s belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear war — and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons,” the Washington Monthly noted. And Reagan’s military buildup was meant to crush the Soviet Union, but “also to put the United States in a stronger position from which to establish effective arms control” for the the entire world — a vision acted out by Regean’s vice president, George H.W. Bush, when he became president.
7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major embarrassment for conservatives.
8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran. Reagan and other senior U.S. officials secretly sold arms to officials in Iran, which was subject to a an arms embargo at the time, in exchange for American hostages. Some funds from the illegal arms sales also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua — something Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an enormous political scandal that forced several senior administration officials to resign.
9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act. which placed sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with the country. Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled Senate. Reagan responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious problems that plague that country.”
10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s ascendancy.
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I know Boo Hoo
Let's still just pretend Obama did it all himself
Most of us live in the here and now, bubble boy. He has done nothing to fix it.
BHO will go down as the worst president in US history.
So no such explanation as to why the agency that declared us to be in a recession is had declared us not to be in a recession and how that equates us to being worse off economically.
Alls i want is an explanation. I have already stated my gripes with Obama. Now if you can explain this I might have one more, but at this juncture it just doesn't add up.
Now BF, i know you're a smart guy, much smarter than this 333 character, so just give me in real terms, factually, how we are worse financially now than in 2008 and how Obama had directly effect such economic standing.
I'm typing from my phone so I'm not goin to bother. There are thousands of threads on this very board showingnhow we're worse off.
I don't know how someone can seriously argue things are better when they're hailing 350k people falling off benefits as a "positive sign". Look at the revised Q2 and Q3 GDP numbers and U6 and you'll see they're disasters.
You put way too much faith in govt. agencies. How about the measuring stick for inflation? Ol' Jimmuh removed energy and food price increases in an attempt to the real number and every potus has used that since. They're all arbitrary definitions that change with the wind.
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I still don't get what's funny about TBI.
I'm not offended by the statement, I just don't see any humor in it.
Why do you hate America?
He's oblivious to the fact that he hates this country and everything it stands for
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Even after Obama wins a second term he's going to have a hard time matching the record of 333's Messiah
Obama's deficit includes debt ranked up by the great Republican Messiah
Let's look at some of the heroic actions of your Messiah and Personal Saviour
1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser. As governor of California, Reagan “signed into law the largest tax increase in the history of any state up till then.” Meanwhile, state spending nearly doubled. As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.
2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit. During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.” Reagan enacted a major tax cut his first year in office and government revenue dropped off precipitously. Despite the conservative myth that tax cuts somehow increase revenue, the government went deeper into debt and Reagan had to raise taxes just a year after he enacted his tax cut. Despite ten more tax hikes on everything from gasoline to corporate income, Reagan was never able to get the deficit under control.
3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts. Unemployment jumped to 10.8 percent after Reagan enacted his much-touted tax cut, and it took years for the rate to get back down to its previous level. Meanwhile, income inequality exploded. Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980′s did little help them. “Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,” the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.
4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously. Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan. He bailed out Social Security in 1983 after attempting to privatize it, and set up a progressive taxation system to keep it funded into the future. He promised to cut government agencies like the Department of Energy and Education but ended up adding one of the largest — the Department of Veterans’ Affairs, which today has a budget of nearly $90 billion and close to 300,000 employees. He also hiked defense spending by over $100 billion a year to a level not seen since the height of the Vietnam war.
5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose. As governor of California in 1967, Reagan signed a bill to liberalize the state’s abortion laws that “resulted in more than a million abortions.” When Reagan ran for president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.
6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.” He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” “This vision stemmed from the president’s belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear war — and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the Soviets, eliminated nuclear weapons,” the Washington Monthly noted. And Reagan’s military buildup was meant to crush the Soviet Union, but “also to put the United States in a stronger position from which to establish effective arms control” for the the entire world — a vision acted out by Regean’s vice president, George H.W. Bush, when he became president.
7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants. Reagan signed into law a bill that made any immigrant who had entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty. The bill was sold as a crackdown, but its tough sanctions on employers who hired undocumented immigrants were removed before final passage. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major embarrassment for conservatives.
8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran. Reagan and other senior U.S. officials secretly sold arms to officials in Iran, which was subject to a an arms embargo at the time, in exchange for American hostages. Some funds from the illegal arms sales also went to fund anti-Communist rebels in Nicaragua — something Congress had already prohibited the administration from doing. When the deals went public, the Iran-Contra Affair, as it came to be know, was an enormous political scandal that forced several senior administration officials to resign.
9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act. which placed sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with the country. Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled Senate. Reagan responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious problems that plague that country.”
10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan. Reagan funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service. The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these mujahidin groups Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to these fighters. In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s ascendancy.
but but but did you see my thread on Obama going to india and playing golf
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Most of us live in the here and now, bubble boy. He has done nothing to fix it.
BHO will go down as the worst president in US history.
I'm typing from my phone so I'm not goin to bother. There are thousands of threads on this very board showingnhow we're worse off.
I don't know how someone can seriously argue things are better when they're hailing 350k people falling off benefits as a "positive sign". Look at the revised Q2 and Q3 GDP numbers and U6 and you'll see they're disasters.
You put way too much faith in govt. agencies. How about the measuring stick for inflation? Ol' Jimmuh removed energy and food price increases in an attempt to the real number and every potus has used that since. They're all arbitrary definitions that change with the wind.
of course you live in a bubble.
inside that bubble is your part time job at Burger King and your buddy 333 from the interweb
you two sit inside that bubble and live in a fantasy world and are baffled when other people try to point out the source your delusions
I suspect you'll be living there for a long time to come
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So no such explanation as to why the agency that declared us to be in a recession is had declared us not to be in a recession and how that equates us to being worse off economically.
Alls i want is an explanation. I have already stated my gripes with Obama. Now if you can explain this I might have one more, but at this juncture it just doesn't add up.
Now BF, i know you're a smart guy, much smarter than this 333 character, so just give me in real terms, factually, how we are worse financially now than in 2008 and how Obama had directly effect such economic standing.
Why the fuck are you arguing semantics when its clear that almost everything is worse in the economy now than it was,.. so youre arguing that even though unemployement is up, deficit is worse than every, companies arent hiring, etc... that somehow things are better because they have changed the wording from depression to recession, even though everything is worse?
Anyone capable of thinking can tell that the agency is being used as a political pawn just like everything else..
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Why the fuck are you arguing semantics when its clear that almost everything is worse in the economy now than it was,.. so youre arguing that even though unemployement is up, deficit is worse than every, companies arent hiring, etc... that somehow things are better because they have changed the wording from depression to recession, even though everything is worse?
Anyone capable of thinking can tell that the agency is being used as a political pawn just like everything else..
so you're saying "almost everything" is worse now than the day Obama took office
Job Losses
GDP
Bin Laden still breathing
Access to health care
Etc..
All those are worse today than the day Obama took office?
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so you're saying "almost everything" is worse now than the day Obama took office
Job Losses
GDP
Bin Laden still breathing
Access to health care
Etc..
All those are worse today than the day Obama took office?
LOL. Access to health care? You call being mandated by the govt by force of law and threats "Access"? ? ? ? ?
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of course you live in a bubble.
inside that bubble is your part time job at Burger King and your buddy 333 from the interweb
you two sit inside that bubble and live in a fantasy world and are baffled when other people try to point out the source your delusions
I suspect you'll be living there for a long time to come
You sound mad, bubble boy. Let me guess, you actually believe you were doing your fair share when you took Obama's load in your mouth?
By the way, you're easily the most disconnected-from-reality on this board.
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LOL. Access to health care? You call being mandated by the govt by force of law and threats "Access"? ? ? ? ?
yeah, all those people with pre-existing conditions who couldn't get it before are really upset about it
same goes for all those adult children who can still stay on their parents cheaper policys. Those people are really mad.
the only people that are mad are dopes like you for which NOTHING HAS CHANGED yet are too stupid to understand that
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You sound mad, bubble boy. Let me guess, you actually believe you were doing your fair share when you took Obama's load in your mouth?
By the way, you're easily the most disconnected-from-reality on this board.
why would you think I'm mad ?
you're confusing pity for anger
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why would you think I'm mad ?
you're confusing pity for anger
Boring. The politics board's self-crowned "I'm a somebody" is, once again, throwing a tiff in an attempt to save face after yet another failed attempt at defending his God-King.
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Boring. The politics board's self-crowned "I'm a somebody" is, once again, throwing a tiff in an attempt to save face after yet another failed attempt at defending his God-King.
self crowned "I'm somebody" ?
dude, you're loonier than ever today
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self crowned "I'm somebody" ?
dude, you're loonier than ever today
Not at all. It's clear from your posts that you're a narcissist like every other smug elitist from the Bay Area and, just like the rest of them, you're just not that smart.
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Not at all. It's clear from your posts that you're a narcissist like every other smug elitist from the Bay Area and, just like the rest of them, you're just not that smart.
yeah, I'm a smug elitist who works 5 or 6 days a week, drives a 14 year old Nissan Maxima and only owns one home.
I'm just hear to entertain myself and administer your daily ass kicking
If you don't want it then why do you keep showing up and asking for it?
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Why the fuck are you arguing semantics when its clear that almost everything is worse in the economy now than it was,.. so youre arguing that even though unemployement is up, deficit is worse than every, companies arent hiring, etc... that somehow things are better because they have changed the wording from depression to recession, even though everything is worse?
Anyone capable of thinking can tell that the agency is being used as a political pawn just like everything else..
1. is employment numbers a direct reflection of Obama or is it the residual effects of the recession that was declared in late 2008?
2. Though a non partisan agency does declare the economic status, they are still based off GDP numbers and the fiscal Quarters. Its not as if they are pulling the number out of their asses. Its not about changing words from depression to recession. Its a working definition. 2 Qtrs of negative GDP movement. A recession isnt an opinion of people trying to make President Bush look bad.
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I just dont get this statement..
If we were in a declared recession (by definition) when he took over... and we are out of the recession (by definition) right now,
Just how is it "much worse"..
This is a question for Beach
Take a look at the two graphs/charts 33 posted. That about sums it up.
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Take a look at the two graphs/charts 33 posted. That about sums it up.
I don't know how they calculate labor force participation but it seems to have peaked after 8 years of Clinton and started dropping right when Bush got in office
Doesn't seem like those two rounds of Bush tax cuts did any good
Maybe we should just go back to the Clinton era tax rates and see what happens
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I don't know how they calculate labor force participation but it seems to have peaked after 8 years of Clinton and started dropping right when Bush got in office
Doesn't seem like those two rounds of Bush tax cuts did any good
Maybe we should just go back to the Clinton era tax rates and see what happens
Fine - can we go back to the same level of Clinton spending per GDP as well? Lets get rid of obamacare, NCLB, Dodd Frank, Tarp, DHS, and all the other bullshit spending since then.
Deal?
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Fine - can we go back to the same level of Clinton spending per GDP as well? Lets get rid of obamacare, NCLB, Dodd Frank, Tarp, DHS, and all the other bullshit spending since then.
Deal?
I'd be fine getting rid of Dodd Frank, TARP (kind of hard to "get rid" of that now though) and DHS.
I don't know what NCLB refers too
getting rid of the healthcare legislation would actually raise the deficit so it would be dumb to scrap that
still, we could do all that and you'd still cry like a baby that raising the marginal tax rate 2% is tantamount to a communist takeover
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President Obama waved himself into ridicule at the Open Government Partnership Event at the United Nations on September 20, 2011, in New York. During a group photograph of several world leaders, President Obama offered a solitary wave that accidentally covered the face of the president of Mongolia. Next time, just say "cheese." (Photo by Allan Tannenbaum-Pool/Getty Images)
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Take a look at the two graphs/charts 33 posted. That about sums it up.
addresses job losses but job loss is a residual affect of A recession... dude it was 3 years ago and 6 years coming. so....um..... did policies CREATE JOB LOSS...
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addresses job losses but job loss is a residual affect of A recession... dude it was 3 years ago and 6 years coming. so....um..... did policies CREATE JOB LOSS...
Lol. Labor force particpation mean anything to you? There is no job creation whatsoever all while less people are employed. Do you need it spelled out for you w finger paints?
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Lol. Labor force particpation mean anything to you? There is no job creation whatsoever all while less people are employed. Do you need it spelled out for you w finger paints?
looks like that started dropping as soon as Bush took office
I guess those tax cuts didn't do a damn thing for jobs
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looks like that started dropping as soon as Bush took office
I guess those tax cuts didn't do a damn thing for jobs
Lol. Still blaming bush while obama has carried on all the ame policie§ and tacked on even worse ones all by himself.
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Lol. Still blaming bush while obama has carried on all the ame policie§ and tacked on even worse ones all by himself.
dude - you're the one who posted the chart and said it was signficant
did you notice it peaked around 2000 and started going down?
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addresses job losses but job loss is a residual affect of A recession... dude it was 3 years ago and 6 years coming. so....um..... did policies CREATE JOB LOSS...
Those charts address a lot more than job losses: debt, deficit, unemployment rate, home ownership, government dependency, gas prices, Americans in poverty, etc. All worse than when he started. Buck stops with him.